Unsounded

>>90783437
And now we will learn if Duane's paternal instincts will override his bigotry against Crescians.

>>90783437
>Jivi, stop trying to be Crescian enough to make up for a construct full of Alds. No one is watching, you can be as even-handed and open-minded as you've basically already shown yourself to be.

>>90783437
Everyone is so racist in this comic, but it doesn't annoy me as much as fantasy racism usually does.

>>90783437
Sette is such an expert thief even WE don't see her steal Jivi's hat. You can tell she has it behind her back in the last few panels.

>>90783803
Because they don't hate each other for their race, but their nationality.

>>90783849
This. Race makes everyone mad, but nationalism is kinda cool to watch in conflict

>>90783437

Probably just dawn breaking but I like the idea that Duane's contempt for Crescian philosophy is so deeply entrenched that it overwhelms his zombie state.

>this is your brain on communism

Jivi's just using his country's philosophy to justify his hatred of Alds

He doesn't actually believe that shit, it's just a convenient system for him to hitch his hate wagon to.

Jivi is literally Hitler

>>90783437
So is Cresce communist? Since the amount of tokens you have is still based on how much you work right?

>>90783437
How does Sette know how thick Ogre Spunk is?

>>90786246
She's been working on getting Uaid to obey her instead of Matty

She had to develop a reward system somehow

>>90785764
>cresce is communist
Yes and no. Technically they are a socialist monarchy but the only thing keeping them from being a straight oligarchy is the fact that titles are passed through blood inheritance.
But the state does run the whole economy, and nobody but the state actually owns anything. The idea being all people are members of the state so everybody owns everything. And if you don't agree with how the state has decide to reward your work then the state is perfectly happy to give you your very own sword point first.
TL;DR Yeah, cresce is a take on communism.

>>90785764
Yup, it's a communist semitheocratic monarchy

>>90783437
I wanna see Duane in Dad Mode again.

>>90783847

lol, didn't notice the hat went missing

>>90783847
Holy cow, that really IS good.

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What the FUCK did he mean by this?

>>90785764
Cresce is a centrally planned command economy. It still has socioeconomic classes even if it those classes are upheld more through a theological basis than a material one. It has an expansive state apparatus and must manage scarcity through rationing based on a physical expression of labor in the form of tokens.

So it's not -in fact- communist.

>>90786566
Communism ever being conceived as anything else than a centrally planned command economy with an expansive state apparatus is a deliberate lie told by communists.

>>90783437
I look forward to Duane's Gordan Gekko speech, which will be more compelling than the original since it will be delivered by a magical zombie.

>>90786645
Yeah mate your right I'll just ignore a century of political theory in favor of some guy on the internet who thinks they can retroactively read the minds of historical figures.

>>90786479
When the night went tits up Lemuel tried to killed Bastion after he 'resurrected' Duane, who's return was delayed. Lemuel thought he had actually gotten his brother killed, and probably decided to take out Bastion as retaliation. That night seems almost as mad as the night Sette amd Duane arrived in Ethelmik.

How do you pronounce Duane? Du-Ane?

>>90786872
doo-AHN, as I recall
pretend it's french, that works for most Aldish names

>>90786872
Du- A- n
dwayne

>>90783803

Why does fantasy racism make you mad?

>>90786872
Du-ahn

>>90786802

We don't know that for sure yet, but it's heavily implied that Lem gave those scars to Bastion. We do know for certain that l Bastion ended up at Rahm and Iori's to get patched up. Just no details of the how and why.

>>90786872
Doo anne.

>>90783803
It's not racism, it's nationalism.

>>90783847
Oh shit you're right, this is the kind of detail I fuckin love.

Also I think that puts her up to six times in one week. She's gonna get soft lifting from such an easy mark.

>>90785401
>Duane rising from the dead with an eerie, bone-chilling moan of "ACKSHULLYYY..."

>>90783437
Transistion from panel 3 to 4 is iffy.

>>90783600
>construct full of aids

A weapon to surpass metal gear

>>90787745
Yeah, rather than REE BLACK PEOPLE it's REE COMMIES.

The only actual racism shown thus far seems to be what the different Aldish castes throw at one another.

>>90787763
Mad'Monster'Maniac pls

>>90787741
why didn't you protect his smile, Jivi

>>90787822
That fucker is why I never check the comments. What a fucking autist.

>>90786327
So pretty much just a more controlling medieval serfdom, with a somewhat more modern eugenics/talent-cultivation angle added becaus etech advancement requires it?

>>90787741
Duane's face here is cracking me the fuck up.

>>90787763

You're a whiner

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>>90783600
It's funny he shits on Quigs as if his greed is somehow an Aldish thing when Quigley himself fucking hates Alderode.

Putting all the bigotry aside a moment, if they're all headed to the coast, what are the chances we might see Jivi's fish-mom captain for reals?

Jivi is such a Good Boy.

>>90787932
We haven't really been shown the inner workings if cresce the same way we've been shown the aldish but from what I can see it looks like the nobility work the upper levels of the bureaucracy and control the military the same way the 'party members' did in the USSR. The corruption and in-fighting looks to be the same too. The great hypocrisy of Authoritarian Communism is the way 'more necessary' duties get passed from political insider to political insider the same way the one percent in a capitalism segregates ownership and Labour through 'ring knockers' and 'old boy' networks. Any mobility in Cresce' society seems to come from marriage (sometimes polygamous) with an emphasis on matriarchy.
It's an interesting flip because it allows for some social movements but keeps the 'serfs' firmly in their place. As equal 'unequals'.

Jivi is about to get preached at hard

>>90783803
Goddamn I didn't even notice. How does she do that?

>>90786246
She's just waxing poetic like she does. It's always jarring when I read a Sette scene after she has a long absence from the comic because I forget how vulgar her metaphors are.

>>90786872
Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson

>>90786872
Duane "The Main Brain" McClane

>>90785401
It's like that simpsons Joke with Lenin only "MUST DEBUNK CRESCIAN PROPAGANDA"

>>90788218
In this universe, zombies don't eat you, they just bore you to death instead.

>>90788470
nah, Duane can do both, 'swhy he's the best zombie.

He's gonna give Jivi an earful, then bite his ear off.

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Heh

>>90783849
>implying there is a difference

Lemme guess, you're not from Eurasia?

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>>90786479
Current theory is that Lemuel knew that Duane's had been ordered from on high, and, though pained, had accepted its necessity for whatever reason. Said acceptance probably didn't extend to Bastion defilling his corpse and damning his soul according to Ssaelite doctrine. Said non-acceptance presumably involved spellslicers.

>>90789111
I imagine the death of Duane's daughter was also not originally part of the plan.

>>90783437
Isn't Jivi a sharte himself?

What if Bastion also revived Mikaila?

>>90788576
Ha holy shit I hadn't even noticed. Sette is best girl

>>90789152
No, he was just kidnapped by Shartes.

>>90789152
Pirate, of cresce stock.

>>90789318
>What if Bastion also revived Mikaila?
Then a whole lot of people are going to die.
Who am I kidding, a whole lot of people are going to die anyway

>>90783437
Jivi was about overdue for getting his asshole character development points in. Been cashing in too many of his total fucking kid hero badass chips.

It's fun to look at the various ways the characters have been shown their flaws and how they mesh with their positive traits. Duane is an old school paladin, can't be fucked to fall because there's too much good left to do. But it leaves him a proselytizing bag of bones who can only be shut up by throwing his soul in to magic heaven at night. Sette is a loose cannon thief who plays by her own rules, making her incredibly narcissistic and selfish with no regard for larger social or moral mores. But it also engenders a streak of philosophical independence and thus fair mindedness in how she views the world and nothing gets her goat like being shown an unfair situation.

Jivi really wants to be a good Crescian boy, and like Toma and Duane he plays closer to the ideal of their national philosophies in that he's a real go-getter who looks out for others. But like Duane, this philosophy is inextricably tied to a kind of holy than thou mentality when it comes to the other countries. Which is combined with his youthful inexperience giving him a black and white view of people that he defaults back to despite, as Ashley saying, him actually knowing better.

>>90789456
So it only leaves Matty, who is as pure and innocent as ever. But he is still a child, so a lack of character flaws can be explained by the general lack of character.

>>90789151
Yeah, but Mikaela's death wasn't actually Bastion's fault.

>>90787886

A-fucking-men, brother.

>>90789377
>she's a powerful undead wright like her dad
>she's jealous of how much time he and Sette have spent together
>her smile and optimism: gone

>>90789536
His character flaw is innocence. Plats are for bullying

>>90787822
>>90788023
He's right though

>>90783437
>>90789456
Jivi is as thick as ogre spunk. I don't like him.

>>90789342

Look again. She even keeps an arm behind her every panel after that.

This wasn't an art error.

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>>90786246
She's a regular at mc Donalds.

>>90789864
That just hurts.

>>90787751
>>Duane rising from the dead with an eerie, bone-chilling moan of "ACKSHULLYYY..."
Fucking lol

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>>90787751
>>Duane rising from the dead with an eerie, bone-chilling moan of "ACKSHULLYYY..."

>>90789456
>But it leaves him a proselytizing bag of bones who can only be shut up by throwing his soul in to magic heaven at night.
Are you trying to imply that Duane's preaching is a bad thing? You should be grateful that he's willing to show you the truth!

>>90790578
>Mikaela is much more vicious than her father, which disturbs him greatly.
>he tries to reign in her rage before her lust for revenge consumes her
>her glamour is herself as an adult because she's bitter that she never got the chance to grow up

>>90790270
Even Ashley is annoyed with Jivi at this moment.

Is Duane a good husbando?

>>90791397
Then she should toss him overboard!
>>90791412
The best

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>>90791412
The best.

What is a worse place to live: Cresce, or Alderode?

>>90786872
Doo-ain
rhymes with "aim"

>>90791825
Probably Alderode

Both are really shitty, and Alderode is colder.

Extra shit points to Alderode if you happen to be a woman.

>>90791825
Cresce.

>>90791983
>he doesn't like the cold

>>90791825
Alderode since they've got that plague and they are going to get invaded by Cresce according to that vision Duane saw.

>>90791825
Cresce because:

1. Run by blacks. Sounds racist but I can't remember a successful black country

2. Commy bullshit

>>90783584
> bigotry against Crescians
To be fair, they did kill his daugther.

>>90785639
>I have no idea what I am talking about.

>>90786339
That does not go together.

>>90786327
>the state actually owns anything
So total state capitalism then.

>>90792655
More like feudalism masquerading as communism

>>90792316
This post gave me cancer.

>>90791825
Depends on your caste. Not just because of social and economic reasons, but because your caste determines your lifespan. You might get 400 years, or 30.

>>90792676
Can't be communism, there's still classes.

I'd agree with the masquerading part, tho.
Feudalism masked as state capitalism fits better.

>>90792719
Crescian royalty and faux communism is probably a much easier pill to swallow when they look over at Alderode and Sharteshane. Most Crescians are very quick to shit on those places instead of criticizing their own.

I mean hell, even after an insurmountable amount of proof Elka and Toma barely believe Cresce could have done such evil shit.

>>90792692
Good. Hopefully you'll be gone soon enough.

>>90789864
>>90790901

I want this. I want this bad.

>>90783437
Jivi is cute though. I want him to be adopted by Toma and Elka and live happily ever after.

>>90792640
How so?

>>90793234
>I want him to be adopted by corpses

>>90788119
I've been wondering about that too. Really hoping it wasn't a throwaway dream that was really trippy just for the sake of it. It'd be really interesting to see seafarers and sailors as well, because I don't think we've seen any of them and the idea of sailors who have to practice being a long way from the khert or they'll die sounds interesting.

>>90788119
>>90795137
I thought she was suppose to be dead or something

>>90786872
Dwayne

I think in his original tongue it's Du-ahn, but Ashley calls him regular Duane, so Duane it is

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>>90786872
You pronounce it like pic related

>>90786802
Lemuel didn't get his brother killed. Lemuel killed his brother.

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Wait, it just hit me, if all the people believe in reicarnation (Ssaelith and Gefendur both) then doesnt it makes nationalism double silly. I mean you and all your crescian friends can reincarnate in Alderode next turn. And all the people in Alderode were crescian at some point, Whats the beef then? Khert doesnt acknowledge borders as far as we know.

>>90795761
Just because reincarnation is a crapshoot doesn't make a particular way of life any less wrong. They believe those people are wrong because their nation raised them wrong. They might've been good people had they been born in a right and proper country, but they weren't so they aren't

>>90783437
>Jivi's gone full-on with the Crescian Kool-Aid.
To be fair you know how Crescians love their Kool-aid.
Especially grape.

>>90792719
Because communist governments never instituted social classes before

>>90793042
Why do you want Duane and his daughter to suffer?

>>90797316
>Because communist governments never instituted social classes before
You know what physically pains me? The Red Scare propaganda machine was so fucking efficient that coming on a generation after the cold war americans, my people, have no fucking clue what communism or capitalism actually are.
I mean even simple definitions.
What is a classless communist state? Fucking Star trek had a post scarcity communism.
You know what isn't any kind of communism at all? The fucking USSR.
Fuck.

>>90797713
>self-proclaimed communist nations wherein the means of production are siezed by the state and redistributed to the people aren't REAL communism
My old friend the no true scotsman fallacy strikes again.

>>90797827
Not every member of the state was a member of the party.
Thats a division of labor that doesn't exist in communism. How is this hard?

>>90791825
Alderode I'd have at least a chance of being happy, but Cresce is misery pretty much no matter what. Both states fucking suck though, if given a choice I'd live in Sharteshane.

>>90790030
It's pretty plainly Jivi realizing he said some insulting shit about Matti and is trying to damage control as matti walks away.

>>90797952
>implying that it is ever possible to eliminate divisions of labor
>implying that everyone is inherently equally good at everything and that specialization wouldn't exist in the absence of capitalism
>implying that you have to follow the tenants of your holy book to the letter to start with
People who try and claim "but that wasn't REAL communism, watch this!" are funny to me because they're exactly like members of a religion bickering over different interpretations of their source book. Marxist crusade to take back the holy bolshevick land when?

>>90788233
>didn't even notice one of the frequently highlighted elements of the comic
You may just be retarded anon

>>90795761
Well they kinda force the Khert to acknowledge borders. Alderode actually modified theirs, which is why they have that funky caste system.

During their wars they try to actually move the khert border back and forth.

>>90792719
It's only compared to communism because it's the closest thing to it. They abolished money and free enterprise. It's a planned economy based on labor and production exchange. State provides you with shelter, food, clothing, all the bare necessities to participate in the planned economy, then allows you to earn vouchers through labor to exchange for various luxuries. In such a system, generating surplus wealth is not possible so you don't have the usual capitalist issue of "exploiters" rising to the top off the work of others. Rather, the upper classes emerge due to connections with the state and monarchy, which are necessary to enforce the system and maintain the balance of production and consumption between districts and cities. So naturally those people who perform tasks essential to the continued existence of the monarchy are more highly favored and get far better perks..

>>90798210
He never said communism was possible though.

>>90798396
Well I'm not calling Cresce communist as a comparison against Marx's unrealistic pipe dream, I'm calling it communist as a comparison against the communist societies that actually existed

>>90798210
But having different interpretations of the same doctrine is a legitimate reason to draw lines.

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>>90783437
I want the hero shot of Duane in the khert going "I MUST RETURN, I HEAR CRESCIAN PHILOSOPHY"

>>90798458
And it seems anon is saying that an't rightly be called communist because they bear little resemblence to Marx!s unrealistic pipe dream, probably because it was unrealistic.

>>90798210
Who ever said there wouldn't be specialisation or divisions of labor in a true communism? It's how you divide Labor and the exclusion of access thats the problem.
People who like to wave the 'communism is inherently doomed' flag crack me up because
one, that's what monarchies said about democracy for fifteen hundred years and
two, there has never been a real communism. Never. Not by any definition. Hell, China is still only a big ass socialism.
I have no doubt communism will eventually work but it's gonna need a similar confluence of events as what produced the USA. Many intelligent, talented people given the opportunity and resources to design it from the bottom up with seeking to grab power for themselves. It might take a thousand years but hey, I don't see George Washingtons growing on trees.
Stalins though, motherfuckers sprout like weeds

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>>90798490
>I MUST GO, MY PEOPLE NEED ME TO DELIVER BANTS

>>90798614
Communism is like direct democracy only even less efficient. Have fun trying to govern more than 2 dozen people at once.

>>90798614
>He thinks democracy isn't inherently doomed
Newsflash: today's democracies are mostly pretend games for the political elite/wealthy, who control things just like they always did.
Tell me when was the last time that the people in charge voted in favor of only things that the majority of the population supported.

>>90798490
Duane would be a great professor actually. I'd love him as a teacher.

I mean he's biased as hell, but he's entertaining.

>>90798892
Could you give me a quick rundown on the downfall of democracy?

>>90799012
>Duane would be a great professor actually. I'd love him as a teacher.
90% of the lesson is translating what he said from his poetic way of talking.
Student and teacher alike give him great accolades for accepting different answers based on what he said, given his speech often has different interpretations.

So is it ever explained if Alderode allows immigration? Since they have that caste system going on assigned from birth. Do you just automatically enter the Soud class, since it's the only one comprised of "normal" people?

>>90799124
I'm not sure, but second generation immigrants would be indistinguishable from natives, physically.

>>90799124
Considering Duane's killers were mostly crestian and they weren't really trying to blend in by using a glamour, there must be a fair ammount of them in the working quarters. There are probably a lot of people willing to trade their work for actual money. Like shartes in cresce they are shunned but tolerated.

>>90795215
Jivi mentions in a dialogue with Matty that she's probably not dead but "it's complicated"

I just want fishtits complaining how there aren't any dudes man enough to try to rail her anymore

>>90799124
It was directly stated at one point that Alderode has closed borders. Even movement within the country is highly regulated, with castes being kept in their own communities.

>>90799326
Considering that Alderode and Cresce have warred for centuries and the border has moved back and forth between them, it's likely there is a sizeable border population within Alderode that has Crescian blood. Basically, Cresce pushes back Alderode, settles area, then Alderode pushes back and reclaims, and the people are folded into the Aldish society.

>>90799479
I feel Soviet jokes coming on

In Cresce if you mess up you must go to the Gulag
In Alderode if you do good you will not leave the Gulag!

I like Alderode women, they do things Sharte women would never dream of- like showering


Cresce proved that even females could manage a country.

Alderode proved that two faiths could manage a country.

Blacktounges proved that only fools will manage a country.

Sharteshane proved that a country doesn’t need to be managed at all.

>>90783584
>And now we will learn if Duane's paternal instincts will override his bigotry against Crescians.
We already know that he can be civil with normal Crescian people, is hatred is reserved for the military and state of Cresce.

>>90783437
>Greed and thievery are bad!
>Is the son of a pirate captain

>>90785764
>So is Cresce communist?
Not exactly, they are after all a monarchy but their approach to economics is very similar to communism.
>Since the amount of tokens you have is still based on how much you work right?
But backed by no worth other than what the queen says they are worth making them worthless anywhere but crescian state owned stores.
Essentially like Stockyard said the whole country is a indentured servant state.

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>when some little commie kid is feeding propaganda to your daughteru

>>90800472
It's basically scrip then.

>>90791825
They are both just terrible

>>90792719
>Can't be communism, there's still classes.
So like every communist country ever then?

>>90797713
>REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED REEEEEEEE!

>>90800845
It hasn't. Just like real telepathy or real dragon-riding have never been tried.

Is Sharteshane an anarchocapitalist oligarchy?

>>90800933
It's a monarchy, just a shitty crime ridden one.

>>90789456
Right. And it's actually pretty great to see people with that outlook (Jivi, Elka, even Duane) bonding closely with people outside of their former lives and making those connections.

>>90800933
>>90801089
A monarchy, but the monarchy is a front for the oligarchy. I guess a kleptocracy really. Russia is probably a good comparison.

>>90790270
How he escaped from the Red Berry Boys indicates cleverness, senpai.

It's worth noting Jivi's mom is a privateer, not just a pirate. I doubt he was raised in a fair and even-minded environment and taught tolerance to non-Crescians. As anon upthread said now that he's out of his misery and sort of comfortable and can actually live again he's spouting off what he's been taught, like a regular kid. Which Duane neatly highlights and Duane has sure as shit been around teens who live the party line.

Jivi fights his background a lot, I think. Here he's just throwing out the rhetoric but I mean, he probably feels he needs to be Crescian a bit here too. Nobody else is, and a Crescian town just burned and there's a war on.

Unbumped

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>>90791412
Duane is best husbando and best papa.

>>90803861
Truth

>>90803861
good dads keep their children alive

>>90806311
Can't keep yer kid alive if yer dead

what is tittybird's endgame?

>>90787741
is it wrong to find zombies hot

>>90807010
yes, you're attracted to the glamour

>>90806878
Getting more of that sweet zombie priest nookie.

>>90807222
if tittybird wants Duane's body she'll have to take it by force, he's still faithful to his wife

>>90807268
I don't recall her asking nicely the first time.

>>90787751
>>Duane rising from the dead with an eerie, bone-chilling moan of "ACKSHULLYYY..."

>BRRAAAAIII- Is,,, is that a Yerta talisman? Well, I shan't find any brains here. Good day, madam.
>But
>I SAID GOOD DAY!

>>90792316
So is Alderode, on a magically technicality.

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>>90807846
I wish I could find the translation of the motto Duane's ghers keeps on their sign. It's deliciously inflammatory towards non-Soud.

>>90808319
is it true that the Ssaelit are right and that the gods were actually killed by Ssael?

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>>90808648

>>90808648
Maybe. We'll see later, but I'm leaning towards yes, but Duanes not gonna like it despite what he says

>>90808648
Except for Tirna

>>90807042
no i wanna bone the skelly

>>90809608
I suspect that they never existed in the first place but Ssael discovering that could count as "killing" them in the metaphorical sense. Which given the way the Khert works is almost as good as the literal sense.

>>90810281
not all Ssaelit believe that she was spared, so she's a maybe at best

>>90810281
Is Tirna related in any way to Sette?

>>90813193
We've speculated this before, as well as the fact that Duane actually draws many parallels to Ssael himself. Equally interesting is how the imagery of lions common throughout the Ssaelit faith connects to Sette's lion-like qualities.

>>90813779
Don't forget about the similarities between mythical Ssael and Murkoph

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Alderode is neither communist nor semi-communist state, if they don't have PARADES

>>90799326
>Considering Duane's killers were mostly crestian and they weren't really trying to blend in by using a glamour,

That was a weird scene, I interpreted it as they used glamours but dropped them to attack Duane. People who are born in the dhammakehrt look like alds, no matter if their parents were black or white

>>90810281

Tirna is tittybird

Does anyone else find it weird how we could probably spend an eternity dissecting the complex lore and politics of a fictional world inside a webcomic that hardly anybody knows exists?

>>90815376
Ashley confirmed that Murkoph isn't Ssael. Although there's no doubt there's some kind of connection between him and Ssaelism given the markings on his eyes.

>>90816319
Nope.
Whats the last quality fiction you got into? I mean any of it, books or tv or a comic? You wouldn't think building your own society and not having it contradict itself would to difficult but the shit is rare. Ash took the time to really think her shit through and picking her brain should be an exercise in intellect. Humans are great some times.
As to why no one knows about unsounded outside of a few cliques on the internet well, humans are shit most of the time.

>>90815771
Just because we haven't seen 'em doesn't mean those ostentatious motherfuckers don't do them every time they fucking can. I mean have you SEEN the Aldish? I bet they throw parades like anyone's business

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>>90816408
What if we're all just a part of someone's obscure webcomic? in which the author decides to kill everyone off at the end

>>90808648
It may not even be true that the gods existed in the first place.

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>>90808319
4000 hours in mspaint

>>90815771
If the Alds throw parades like Duane speaks we'll be in for an entire arc about one of them.

>>90815376
Both Sette and Duane are more similar to Ssael than murkoph. The Khert fell apart at his touch and spilled its secrets to him. Murkoph was bound by it.