Do you like Captains by Spencer /co/?

I liked Sam Cap

IMO, good ideas, bad execution. I find both books terribly boring and slow.
The first 6 issues of Remender's Sam Cap were endlessly better. The fact he cut relationships with marvel and all his plots and characters where thrown to the wind is pretty sad.

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I stopped after the remender secret wars mini
did they ever use his adopted son again

>>90773467
Hydra Cap is the best ongoing from the big 2 right now. Retards feel free to meme reply but it won't change the truth.

>>90773467
Where is that picture from?

That said, Spencer's Cap books suffer from immense pacing problems and Sam!Cap lost anything resembling plot and thematic coherence a while a ago. He also overdoes it with the monologuing and recapping on both books.

>>90773467
>werewolf Cap
Why have to remind me

>>90773467
Yes. SamCap kinda petered out a bit after Standoff, but I liked some stuff about it. Captain Hydra has been the only Marvel book able to get me genuinely excited to read the next issue besides Ultimates/Ultimates^2 from Marvel for the past year. It's a lot of mostly build-up, but frankly, I enjoy the build-up and politicking. Same reason I liked Hickman's New Avengers.

Overall, everything kinda hinges on Secret Empire but I'd still put it over Remender's run.

>>90773731
It's the last two issues of Sam and Steve's books before Secret Empire.

>>90773467
They made the white, blonde hair, blued eyes character a Nazi
They're just continuing with their white devil agenda

>>90773820
HYDRA =/= Nazi.

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>>90773820
>>hydra cap is a nazi

Both are snail-paced and boring, but at least HydraCap has a direction, while Sam Cap doesn't.

>>90773713
Doesn't lick Deathstroke's boots.

>>90773819

Where did you get the coloured version of it? I only saw the black and white one before.

>>90773927

Spencer should have left Sam!Cap to another writer after Standoff and taken over Thunderbolts instead.

>>90773829
>>90773886
It's an metaphor

>>90773713
It's funny watching low-effort trolls pretend to like Hydracap because they know it upsets people.

>>90773467

Between spencer and whedon, we've had all the numale, liberal self-hate that these characters can handle.

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>Be Spencer
>have an idea for the EDGIEST FANFIC EVER that you've been carrying around since your Limp Biskit phase in 8th grade.

>"Hey you guys, you know how Cap hates Nazis? Well what if Cap...WAS Nazis."

>Work for a company that cares more about generating clickbait headlines than actual stories

>They approve it

>/pol/, reddit, and half of /co/ love it because it pisses off SJW's

>But none of them actually read it.

>>90773544
I'm sorry to hear about your terminal shit taste.

>>90774661
I don't doubt that some people like it (it is not really bad written, after all), but the "I-it's the best ongoing right now REEEEE" is just being contrarian.

Hydra Cap has a huge problem that turns me off: it combines a fucking lot of writing with very little progress plot-wise. No book with this kind of flaw can be the best.

>>90774742
>make up shit about /pol/ loving it
>be an expert on what Reddit likes

Maybe you should go back there?

>>90773829
>>90773886
The CW2: The Oath flash forward to the US under Hydra Cap shows concentration camps, obviously Nuremburg influenced rallies and other imagrey designed to bring the Nazi's to mind.

He might not have started the story as one, but alongside the reveal he actively helped the German war effort in WW2 its clear Spencer wants the reader to associate Cap and HYDRA with them.

>>90774966
>Hydra Cap has a huge problem that turns me off: it combines a fucking lot of writing with very little progress plot-wise. No book with this kind of flaw can be the best.

This. The book is building to something but it's doing it at a glacial pace. And yet the characters still feel weirdly underdeveloped which is weird because Spencer can do good character writing but I think it's suffering from his desire to deliver profound political commentary.

>>90773675
No. He never existed.

how come no one has made a shield that can also serve as a jet powered hang-glider?

>>90773467
Honestly, I enjoy both books for what they are. Mainly I enjoy the idea of a hero trying and failing to do good, but not giving up and an incredibly comptent villain manipulating everything from the shadows.

Suprisingly, Spencer manages to make both characters enduring in their own ways. Sam mainly as a guy who isn't as good as Steve or has the influence, but none the less is still trying. Captain Hydra is probably one of my favorite villains in the Big 2 and the Oath pretty much cemented that how great a villain he was with that monologue and the scenes he shared with the rest of the hero community.