What is your opinion on LGBT representation in modern cartoons?

its gay

>>90763977
You hardly see it, but /pol/ will bitch about it anyways.

>>90763977
it's almost all smoke and mirrors to try and get prog points without losing any china bucks

>>90763977
Unnecessary. No need to pander to a loud minority, they're not important.

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>>90763977
Too much tumblr gay pandering not enough /pol/ gay pandering.

>>90763977
It's not worth talking about. It works better when you don't.

It's rarely done correctly.

Homosexuality needs to exist in the middle ground of a characters development: if you pull a Korra, it feels like you're just tacking on the gay to earn progressive points and prove you're a good liberal, which devalues the character as a whole. However, if you make the fact that the character is gay the sole focus of the character, that also devalues their worth because you're essentially saying that the only reason society cares about gay people is because they are gay and no other reason.

I sound like a broken record when this subject comes up but the best example of gay characters done right in a show is Gus and Wally from Mission Hill. They were gay, yes, but they had foibles just like anyone else on the show and their homosexuality was never directly brought up unless it was for a joke ("That is a hurtful term. Please stop using it or I will be forced to clobber you.") or used to provide greater insight into their origins (namely, the last episode). Gus and Wally weren't "the gay couple", they were "the funny neighbors who happened to be gay".

>>90764111

Its even worse when, like Korra, an entire character's arc or development is disrupted to make room for a shoehorned gay couple or character. Making a character gay for no reason does not suddenly flesh out a thin character or constitute meaningful character development just for the sole reason they are gay.

>>90763977
it's great, we could use more

>>90764111
>the best example of gay characters done right in a show is Gus and Wally from Mission Hill
Exactly this. They were funny and interesting characters who just happened to be gay.

Queers are fine. Fuck whoever you want.

Trannies have a mental disorder. They believe something about themselves that is biologically incorrect. If they want to mutilate themselves and pump their bodies full of hormones, sure, fine, do whatever you want with your body. But don't demand that me and my wife's son treat it like its something totally normal. Kids shouldn't be exposed to that type of thing.

>>90764282
Says the guy posting on a chinese coloring book forum where only ten boards over one can find horse porn.

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>>90764111
Yeah. I think Simone still remains the best example of a gay character. There's no need for drama or praise about it. She just dates a girl and that's that.

umm who cares about gay people?

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>>90763977
>What is your opinion on LGBT representation in modern cartoons?
The latest being all that talk with Star Vs. Having gays in just the background seems pretty retarded, and I don't know why some people think it's worth praising or complaining about.

I'd still like it if there was an action cartoon that featured a cool male MC who was gay. I would've appreciated something like that a lot when I was around 12-14. Instead I ended up finding comfort in anime/manga where 2D gayshit was more common, but that was a mistake.

>>90763977
If they don't make a big deal about it, I won't make a big deal about it. But lo and behold, people will do exactly both things, because homosexuality brings out the faggotry in everyone.

>>90764303
Are you discriminating against equisexuals?

>>90764303
>Chinese coloring books
It's Thai woodblock carvings you hack

>>90763977
Its done badly more often than good and it only leaves a bad taste afterwards

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>>90764610
A lot of people seem to get their ass in a twist whenever there's a m/m or f/f couple kissing in the background. So they care, I guess.

Clyde's dads on The Loud House and Bug's dads on Future Worm work well because they don't bring too much attention to it.

I don't understand why people have such a problem with it. No matter what parents or likewise 'concerned' people think they can control, their kids will encounter, know or become LGBT. Pretending it doesn't exist isn't going to change anything and is just extremely childish.

It's literally a non-issue.

>>90763977
I don't have a problem with it. But most of the time it feels forced.


It's like... the point of the characters are that they are gay/lesbian whatever you want to call them. It should be more like this character is this type of person who just happens to be gay.

>He's a hero who happens to be gay.
>He's gay. Oh yeah I guess he is a superhero too but the main point is he's gay.

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>>90763977
The same as my opinion on gay shit in anything else:
I don't care and if you want me to care, fuck off

>>90764997
>that banana

couldnt she have just... bought a shirt with a moon on it

the authoritarian left actually holds most of the cartoon industry by the balls, so it's nigh impossible to avoid LGBTQA issues being forced into the forefront of a series eventually.

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>>90765010
Yeah, but that's not as funny

Unnecessary virtue signalling.

Forced as badly as the black best friend in the early 00's.
Can't really do anything about it, artists only see the world as an infinite copy paste of their art class, forever, no matter the country. They have those gay furrie lgbt(at the same time) people around them, and just assume that's how the whole world works, from their california school to the country side of Serbia and universities of Japan.

I still don't get why people slaps all sexual variation as the same "community". a gay man has no reason to feel tolerant to a post of trans. The idea that having a "common enemy" is enough is really close to indoctrination more than anything.

>>90765053
Is the black best friend really forced though? Token black kid is pretty common unless you live in an extremely predominately white neighborhood.

>>90765033
I would agree if it were Captain Planet style with an entire episode dedicated to how LGBT people are perfect and unfairly oppressed.

A gay character just existing isn't 'forced' though. Pearl from SU has more issues surrounding her love for Rose than sexuality, for example. People just concentrate on that aspect because they have an issue with it.

>>90763977
it'd be okay if it was done in a way that wasn't excessively blatant.

people seem to forget two things: show don't tell, and that a character shouldn't be defined by this one trait.

they've made characters defined by that trait when honestly it should just be an inconsequential part of the character itself, it really shows that they get caught up in the act of announcing how stunning and brave they are for including a character with this trait that they have to blow up the presence of that trait on the character. This kind of mindset keeps these traits from being normalized, and just pushes a bigger image that the people in these groups /don't/ want to be normal, they want to be special, they want to stand out by having these traits and it degrades humanity as a whole when it's proven true, time and time again by the lack of argument from 'those' kinds of people when this blatant shit happens, they don't care about character depth, just ticking off a fucking quota.

>>90765088
>Token black kid is pretty common
even if you reach 10% black people, there's no reason for every kid to befriend the black person especially if you factors that not all black people are nice to hang with, just like white ones or asian ones.

Pretty non sense, but Svtfoe just using them as background so it's ok to me, but forcing character to become Gay because "we support LGBT" is plainly awful.

>>90763977

It has to come naturally. A good example is shoreleave or the alchemist from venture bros or jeff parents from claerence.

In korra it was shitty and forced to try to give people a reason to care about a mediocre cartoon but in the examples listed above it was fine.

Characters are characters first and homosexuals second and should be treated as such and should never be used as a ploy to garner attention or approval.

>>90765087
Because of numbers. The LGBT community knows they are a tiny, tiny percentage of the population and their old guard are OBSESSED with making that seem bigger as a safety net, to the point of looking the other way for bad behavior and allowing the bi and trans kids to get stepped on/molded into fucked up footsoldiers.

It is a powder keg that is going to explode as homosexuality becomes more and more, well, normal. Not as many reasons to band together against The Enemy, more looking at what the fuck the old guard are doing/imposing on the new generation. Not now, but in a generation or two we might see some real interesting shit go down.

It's a shame Milo Y was such a piece of shit because conservative or just anti-party line gays needed a voice and he was the closest thing they've ever had. Maybe one'll come out of the woodwork who isn't a motherfucker one of these days.

>>90763977
I know that there are lots of cartoons that appeal to furries, but what about representation of furries themselves? There are a massive number of furries, but they are non-existent in mainstream media of any kind. Of course, people will say this is not discriminatory. I guess "discrimination" just means what people with power want it to mean.

>>90764026
No need to pander to a loud minority, they're not important.
I really wish you would lay off the blacks, /pol/. Luke Cage didn't do anything to you.

>>90764035
jack x johnny
i didnt know i needed this

>>90763977
So far, all I've seen of can be summed up in:
Lesbians are awesome and okay.. Gay dudes? What are those?

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>>90763977
sure, but do it well. y'know, like maybe, actually making the CHARACTER FIRST, sexuality 2nd. id love to see some canon aces.
now that i think about it, has there been a trangsgender MC?

>>90765128
The problem is how would you reveal that a main character is gay without it being called 'forced'?

Yesterday's thread about LeFou shows people don't know what they want

> gayness should be treated as a background thing, not brought up as something important and integral to the character!
> if it's not important, why even make them gay? Gayness should always be relevant to the plot!
> they do it for attention, that's why I continue to give it to them by posting about this constantly!

Personally, my only problem is with shitty retcons like with Iceman. And like I always say: more flamboyant villains that want to molest the hero, please.

>>90763977
Doesn't bother me. Some people are gay so why wouldn't they show up in cartoons? Just don't make a huge deal about it when you put them in cartoons, or it'll come off like pandering.

I don't think The Loud House was too bad with Clyde's two dads. It's not like they were "Lincoln, meet my two gay dads who are gay. For each other. Because they're gay."

>>90765316

It shouldn't be done for attention at least. Marvel tries to appeal certain people by forcing diversity and shit and its garbage.

It should never feel forced.

>>90763977
I think there should be more hot lesbian chicks doing lewd stuff.

>>90765332

Marvel has also literally said that they move comics by making people rage-buy them. Posting a million times about how much they suck without arguments behind it is clearly what they want.

>>90765297
plenty of ways. probably would still be called forced by some because hes gay at all by retards

>>90765162
>It's a shame Milo Y was such a piece of shit because conservative or just anti-party line gays needed a voice and he was the closest thing they've ever had. Maybe one'll come out of the woodwork who isn't a motherfucker one of these days.

Dave Rubin maybe?

>>90765316
The entire issue is "making" people gay, instead of creating characters that are gay.
Same with "black heroes".

>>90765316
>Gayness should be confined to the background
>If it's not important to me, rewrite their character to be a christian straight.
>I think people are only gay for attention.

Nice points, Grandpa.

>>90763977
It's shit. At least the american one. They are shove-in as much as possible. And the tumblr/twitter autism makes sure to push it even more, and labels everyone who criticizes it as the fucking devil.
If you look at the gay rep in European or Eastern cartoons, they are treated just like everyone else. Nothing special.

When will the burger/leaf animation kill itself?

>>90765048
Simply representing minorities in media isn't signaling.

>>90765369

Aren't their sales in the toliet because they fucked over their real fans?

>>90765379
>instead of creating characters that are gay.
>Same with "black heroes".

In the case of Marvel, barring Iceman, all the characters have been (badly written) legacies.

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>>90765274
>aces
Humans by definition cannot be asexual. And "aces" is a fucking autistic way of describing "I don't want to fuck random people 24/7"

Also one of Ponyhead's relatives is "trans-ish" in that they were sewn to a headless horse body back to somehow exists and had their horn sawed off. But for main characters, you could probably BS every single Autobot is trans.

Hillary Swank once played a mentally ill freak-er I mean, tranny

>>90765391
No, but openly expressing pro-diversity beliefs is.

>>90763977
more often than not, its forced by seeming in your face. clarence did it well with jeffs two moms. they just were there, nobody mentions it. nobody makes a big deal. it presented itself as normal, which is what i think is good.

mission hill did it well also. just two dudes in the building, doing their thing.

then theres SU with steven constantly telling everyone "whaaa why cant we all just get along guys" followed by a sour change of heart. i think zizek calls out moments like these as a sort of fascism in itself

>>90765468
>Humans by definition cannot be asexual. And "aces" is a fucking autistic way of describing "I don't want to fuck random people 24/7"
here we go

>Also one of Ponyhead's relatives is "trans-ish" in that they were sewn to a headless horse body back to somehow exists and had their horn sawed off. But for main characters, you could probably BS every single Autobot is trans.
nah man, dont count

>>90765481

as opposed to what, expresing anti-diversity beliefs? Name a show that expresses absolutely no opinion at all, go ahead.

I think the sad thing is when people make up reasons to be shitty about what other people do with their lives and bodies. Like calling it a mental illness or thinking that the entire population are suddenly going to be become gay against their will and stop breeding.

Just how hard is it to understand "Stop being assholes to other people"?

>>90765563
this
even if i dont understand something i can still respect it. same goes for belifs i dont share like their religions
its like people forgot you can be civil even if you dont agree

>>90763977
I think the aim is that gay characters become natural enough that they won't raise eyebrows among the viewership, thus the term "representation" becoming a needless redundancy.

Of course, that's not what neither liberals nor conservatives want, since both sides profit from the outrage.

>>90765563
Here's the thing, transgender IS a mental illness. Just like BIID where perfectly healthy people want to become cripples.

And the thing with gays is that all of their acceptance propaganda directly plays against them. If it's chosen, it can be just as easily not chosen. If it's not a choice, than it can be treated. If it's like race, then it's entirely cosmetic and you can be pretty much whatever culturally while still not looking it (Afro Samurai)

>>90765628
>Here's the thing, transgender IS a mental illness
who
cares

>>90765316
I mean LeFou is literally using a nasty old gay stereotype and patting yourself on the back for it. "Oh he doesn't know if he wants to kiss Gaston or be him.", the submissive sidekick Smithers type.

Which works when it's funny, but it's not...really anything NEW.

>>90765481
No it isn't. Diversity sells because it broadens your fanbase. A wider range of people can relate with characters. Furthermore getting along with people you have differences with is one of the simplest morals around.

>>90765378
I'm not familiar with his work, maybe. If he can present cogent points about manhood (or in the case of a lesbian, womanhood) without going full alt-right psychopath or defending chickenhawking as an important part of development hey why not.

>>90765628
>If it's not a choice, than it can be treated.
What sort of jump in logic is that?

Besides it's definitely not a choice. Whether the determining factors are genetic, environmental or both doesn't matter. Those things all shape who you are as a person, and you can't change the core of that.

Seriously, (assuming you're not a closet gay) you try and masturbate to some gay porn right now and see what happens.

>>90765468
While we're all being anons here, pansexual always bugged me. "I only want to be with people I have FEELINGS for."

Like no shit I guess the rest of us are just meat puppets then.

I feel like, as usual, a lot of this shit is kids getting bad advice from echo chambers who need a name for pretty standard stuff or just bad sex ed. Just about everyone I know gets MORE attracted to a partner as feelings develop.

The last asexual person I talked to had a fucking meltdown because she was wildly attracted to a dude with his shirt off and didn't know what to do. Perhaps the answer was 'accept that you are into sex after all', since a decent amount I've had contact with say "oh whoops I just needed the right date/encounter ha ha ha fuck me.", but again how do you say that to someone who feels legit suicidal because they run into a situation that challenges the box they have put themselves in from high school.

idk it's not something I'm going to tell someone to their face because who the fuck am I, it just quietly grinds my gears that I'm seen as some wild animal because I am not the proper sexuality to control my dick.

>>90763977
>supposed to be progressive and accepting
>but works from the worst nazi clichés
LGBT works from actual LGBT authors are usually medicore. LGBT works from non-lgbt sjw usually more offensive than anything altright could come up with.

>>90765677
https://m.youtube.com/user/RubinReport

See for yourself.

>>90765737
You mean Demisexuals. Pansexuals are just bisexuals who don't feel "bisexual" is "sexually inclusive" enough

It's all still total BS though

>>90765563
I mean body dysphoria is a mental illness. It's something that needs to be treated by a doctor. That's not a question, that's science fact.

We used to have a name for just wanting to dress in clothes traditional to the other gender, it was called cross dressing or transvestism. It generally wasn't taken as seriously as trans sexuality because it WAS a choice, something people did for fun or comfort (though yeah awful shit happened to people and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.)

The recent trend of combining these two traditions has caused more harm than good, I think, because what a transsexual wants and what a transvestite wants are mutually exclusive. They are different ideas and conditions and should be treated differently.

Telling someone they're a bad person for wanting to transition or be left alone because you fetishize a mythical third gender is kind of assholish too, in other words, or shoving a group's unique issues under the rug so their problems can be presented as a more uniform concern.

tldr; transsexuality is a more complicated beast than just 'don't be assholes guys come on ;_;' and it does these people a disservice to pretend otherwise.

>>90765737
>because she was wildly attracted to a dude with his shirt off and didn't know what to do.
well did she think he was hot or did she actually wanna fuck him? because those are two seperate things

It shouldn't be allowed. Exposing kids to homosexuality at a young age is disgusting.

>>90763977
I don't have anything against fags and dykes, but stop pandering to tumblr. That bullshit with korra was pure pandering so tumblr would love it.

>>90765839
I dunno the person bailed before we could have an actual conversation about it, thanks to some asshole in the chat going "why the fuck are you talking about your problems here." and her listening to him over six people telling him to fuck off. You know how it goes.

If I had to guess one with a lead in to two because she kept saying "but I'm an asexual" like a zen koan. It was probably a sudden, intense attraction she didn't know what to do with because she's a little delicate and prone to being easily overwhelmed.

>>90763977
I don't really care. I guess that seeing how so many animators are shoving in lgbt background characters and going on about how it's sooo important and how they wished they'd seen gay characters when they were growing up, maybe it's good for some people.

I just wish it won't turn into tokenism, and that instead a character being gay would be treated normally and matter-of-factly, so that them being GAY OMG SO PROGRESSIVE wouldn't be a plot point for progressive brownie points. It shouldn't be "representation", in that sense, some characters should just happen to be gay and it's not a big deal.

In some sense gay characters could open up possibilities for new plotlines and dynamics. The anime Yuri on Ice for example did it quite well, and the setting of the MCs going from competitors to lovers in a pro sports setting would be impossible with a het couple due to men and women competing in different series. So gay characters could bring some good plot material to the table, if written well.

>>90765845
>exposing kids to the existence of blacks is disgusting
Whatever you say, gramps.

>>90765798
My mistake. And maybe I'll give that a check sometime.

I dunno I try to...keep my judginess to myself because I'm an older dude and I get that a lot of this is kids being kids, but part of me worries how much long term damage the social media echo chamber effect is doing.

Then I remember that's what my generation's parents said about video games. But we have harder data backing the echo chamber thing up. It's frustrating.

>>90765882
Not an argument

>>90763977
I don't care as long as it's not constantly shoved in my face.
two guys or two gals kissing in the background, who the fuck cares?

>>90765909
Neither was your post.

>>90763977
Why didn't you use an actual LGBT character for the OP? Cucks aren't on the LGBT spectrum.

>>90765876
well there certainly are plenty of people who mistake their shit. happens all the time with othe sexualities.
but aces can love and think people are hot from afar. shes being pretty dumb about it sounds like

>>90765798
No, "pansexuals" also bring up that pretentious shit about they being above physical attraction and genders, claiming that what attracts is what's on the inside instead.

It's that old and trite cliché of "Real Beauty Is On The Inside" made into a sexuality.

Plus, since bisexuals are always under suspicion by gays and transexuals, changing your designated Greco-Latin prefix to something more offbeat immediately gets you right with your Community again. Like one bisexual once told me, the more you seem to deviate from heteronormativity, the less you will be perceived as being capable of betraying the Community, which is precisely what bisexual get accused of constantly.

>>90765628
say it is a mental illness, because our bodies arent meant to be that way.
then not wanting to be a parent is also an illness. not wanting to have orgies instead of one partner is also an illness.
i think people forget that evolution is just a matter of chance and has no conciousness of its own

either way, doesnt make a difference in their life so why care?

low key is fine, but I hate how it is becoming a meme almost. its making it hard not to notice instead of being a nice nod, plus any hug is screamed about on any news station or blurb online.

I was telling a friend some shows I enjoyed and suggested she give Star a watch because it was a lot if fun, and she got all excited and said " oh my gosh, thats the show that had the first animated gay kiss on usa tv! how wonderful is that?? Its so amazing they did that! yes I need to watch it!!". ok.

Im going to be a parent soon and I really do not want my young kids down the line to have gay shown like it is as normal a-ok option in life, crammed in their faces like some parents do, because it is not. I think quietly having a thing every so often is ok, because they are just living their lives and should not be villains or pointed at and shunned, but I hate how its become so casual and shoved in any chance right now.

Trans crap is out of the question for kids stuff, its a sexual mental illness or just tumblr idiots.

>>90765960
the most i can believe is
>gay-i want the dick/i want the pussy
>straight-ill want the other thing
>bi-both things are good things
>ace-im not interested in fucking anything
>pan-they could have tentacles for all i care.
>queer-shit man, i dunno what thing i want

and maybe
>omni-all things are good things.
>demi-i dont really think about the thing until i waifu someone

>>90765926
My little anon can't be this naive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t87593JqhBE

>>90766144
>pan-they could have tentacles for all i care.
>omni-all things are good things.

That's the same shit.

>>90765856
the korra ending made me so fucking mad after all the awful writing that show had already. It also was a bit insulting as a woman for me, I felt like it was saying stuff like if you are a strong woman you must be gay. Girls cant be close friends with each other, they obviously must screw. If a girl is just not happy dating a guy she is gay.

If it was written nicely that is fine, but it was crammed in and pandering garbage just to be something. Poor Asami, she deserved better treatment in that show.

>>90766144
so...everything?

>>90766184
theres a difference between "man i love pizza" and "yeah sure if its there ill have"
maybe, i dunno. its a spectrum anyways

>>90766237
nah man, tumblr has like 50 others that are fucking nuts. even worse for genders
wait on that note, i guess i can add that object-sexual shit

>>90766017
>I really do not want my young kids down the line to have gay shown like it is as normal a-ok option in life, crammed in their faces like some parents do

Or you could try to actually parent your damn kid instead of letting the the tv do it.

>>90763977
Callous and obnoxious propaganda. Even liberal families would be uncomfortable with this desu. Disney remakes A New Hope to play it safe but risks pushing gay shit on eight year olds? What the he'll happened to family kino?

>>90766017
>oh my gosh, thats the show that had the first animated gay kiss on usa tv
Didnt gus and Wally from Mission Hill kiss on screen?

>>90766217
It happens a lot, I've found. Happens to men too, if they're close to ANYONE they gotta fuck or want to fuck because guys are fuckmonsters who only care about fucking and are only close with people who they want to fuck.

Except for the recent push where if a male character actually has a spark with a woman then they've gotta be just friends because idk people might get the wrong idea about how that works.

>tfw recaptcha decides to take a shit on the floor and refuse to load for an hour

>>90765805
>>90765628
I'm still waiting to hear how this is your problem or how you expect doctors to "treat" it. Because shit like forced therapy and being told there's something wrong with them is a real cause of depression and suicide, not the solution. Same with surgery because it's a literal battle to get proper advice or treatment through all the stigma.

People like you are evil assholes because you'd put a young person through hell with themselves and their loved ones instead of simply respecting their choice of pronoun. All the while patting yourself on the back because you think you're 'fixing' things.

>>90764714
>not Algerian fishing tips
Step up sempai

>>90763977
It really doesn't matter since 1 gays are a tiny minority, so its not like they are obvious in their absence,2 if the show is aimed towards younger kids its not something they really care about yet, 3 the cartoons first concern should always be to entertain not to check every box on the representation list. that said if you are going to do it don't half ass it like in SU by making characters that are sexless aliens and then trying to say they are gay or whatever, make characters that are actually gay.
I really dont care ultimately if cartoons have gay characters as long as the show's quality doesn't suffer for it.

>>90765119
What is the point in purposefully having all white characters though, unless your show is set in a time period where that would be appropriate?

I mean, if race doesn't matter, why is one black guy or one asian kid or whatever so egregious to you?

The target audience for most cartoons is a population of kids that, due to population density, mostly live in pretty diverse cities. It is weirder now to NOT be friends with a few people of another race than the other way round.

>>90766467
>I'm still waiting to hear how this is your problem or how you expect doctors to "treat" it.

Treat it like it once was, little more than a fetish. The problem is that it's an identity.

In antiquity, homosexuality was seen as being no different than how we see shit like vore today. Only recently did it shift to a full identity. Hell, even heterosexuality is a new concept because 200 years ago, you wanting to bone the opposite sex was like you wanting to eat a bowl of blueberries, expected of a human being.

>>90766574
What's the problem with that though?

>>90766015
>then not wanting to be a parent is also an illness. not wanting to have orgies instead of one partner is also an illness.

Both of those ARE mental illness though. The latter is even called sex addiction

>>90766017
>I really do not want my young kids down the line to have gay shown like it is as normal a-ok option in life, crammed in their faces like some parents do, because it is not.

Can you give a single good reason why it isn't?

I mean, look, here's how shit breaks down: if you want to inure certain beliefs in your children, you have to do that yourself. The TV is not going to do it for you. Especially if those beliefs are against western standards of morality.

Cartoons have no more reason to pander to you than to pander to anyone else.

>>90766299
yes lets never let the kids watch cartoons, because enjoying tv = parenting with tv. Idiot. Its one thing to explain and let them know why Jimmy has two daddies when they are young, its another thing to have them be like 9 and see gays in every other cartoon and screw up a kids concept of whats normal sexually. Everyone kissing everyone else is not, boy+ girl is. Keep it simple for 98% of the world that is not compelled from birth to be gay

>>90763977

I'm completely for it, and I think you have to be incredibly repressed and/or conflicted with your own sexuality or have authoritarian tendencies wherein you feel that you have the right to force your retrograde views on other people in order to be opposed to it.

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>>90766574
>In antiquity, homosexuality was seen as being no different than how we see shit like vore today.

Wow, you're highly misinformed.

There were definitely people in antiquity who preferred one gender over the other.

>>90763977
I don't mind it in background characters. If a show had a main character who was gay and it was a big part of the show I wouldn't watch it simply because I'm not interested in seeing those relationships.

If you can't do it right, better not write.

>>90765926
LGBTCQ when?

>>90766601
>Both of those ARE mental illness though
with such loose standards, then at least half the population is ill, would it still really be an abnormality? not trying to pick a fight, just entertaining ideas

>The latter is even called sex addiction
i said NOT wanting orgies

>>90766665
There were also people who preferred goats to humans, doesn't mean that was seen as wholesome

>>90766731
>implying you cant be whatever AND a cuck

>>90766680
What if the relationship had nothing to do with the plot?

>>90763977

We got plenty already you can slow down on it now

Anymore and you'll start pissing people off and it becomes the "gay agenda"

>>90766633
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEaZyYOLUUk

This will probably piss you off then

>>90766754
then its pointless writing, gay or otherwise

>>90766467
You're right, pumping them full of hormones without a doctor's consultation is a great solution that doesn't end in suicide at all, ever. No one ever kills themselves after transitioning.

"Hey, we need more research on this issue, none of the common solutions for these kids are universally working and the stigma surrounding it makes a coherent diagnosis and treatment plan difficult, we should do something about that." isn't evil. Fuck you and fuck your cult.

>>90766633
>seeing something on TV will make our kids want to do that!
>we'll have a gay generation!
>it'll screw up our kids' understanding of sexuality!

Absolute horseshit. We've all grown up watching constant violence all over our media, but we're not all psycho killers with zero regard for life, are we?

Being gay isn't something that you learn from cartoons, it's something you are. A kiss happening in the background of a scene in one episode of some cartoon is not going to change the way your child's brain chemistry works for the rest of their life. At the very most, kids would just know it's a thing that happens.

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>like putting your dick in man ass
>it's generally accepted that everyone has a weird thing they like to expose their dick to
>so we dont bother persecuting people who like putting their dick in man ass anymore
>with this newfound freedom you decide to make putting your dick in man ass your entire personality
>when on the political stage your platform is "I like putting my dick in man ass"
>when in social circles, your identity, the "thing you're known for," is putting your dick in man ass
>when it comes to family relations its important everyone identify you as someone who likes putting dick in man ass
>all legislation, hiring preference, census records, clothing style, everything must revolve around you like putting dick in man ass
>anyone who complains about your dick in man ass tendencies must clearly have a phobia or prejudice, and not simply be annoyed you shove it into everything
>no, it cant be your lack of character or anything resembling a personality

This is why people don't like it in cartoons. It would be the same thing if we replaced "homosexual" with "furfag." It would be the same thing if we replaced "homosexual" with ordinary heterosexual romance. It's fucking trite and obnoxious. Stop packing it in, fudgepacker.

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The greatest gay character in a cartoon came from Japan

If America loves gays so much why can't they make good gay characters?

>>90765297
The Loud House and Future Worm did it just by introducing them as the kid's parents.

>>90766633
Do you also think that letting kids play shooter videogames will make them want to go on shooting rampages irl, or make them think that shooting people is normal because it's what they see in entertainment all the time?

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It's weird to see it. When is the last time you saw an actively gay couple in actual life? Soft-hand metropolitan types need not apply.

It's like how if you believed advertising you'd think 1/4th of the US population is black, when in reality they're about 10%. When every show has an obligatory gay couple (and it is obligatory, good luck finding solid characters who just happen to be gay) then you start to notice it as really out of place. Something like only 2% of the US population is gay. You have a better chance of seeing a murder than a gay person.

>>90766864
You're comparing unalike things. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the things kids experience, possibly including things they watch on TV and have a reaction to, in the years just before puberty, could have an effect on the development of a kid's sexuality. Of course everybody buys 'born this way' with some kind of religious fervor despite a lack of scientific evidence.

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>>90766904
That doesn't look like Touya or Yukito. Or even Tomoyo-chan.

>>90766971
I think I've only known 3 gay people in my life, I'm 20 and all were women, 2 of which I met in the last two years. And they're middle aged women not just teenagers saying their gay because it's trendy.

Still not a huge amount of the population or anything but stuff like this does make me more okay with characters like that on TV because people like that do exist.

>>90766856
As opposed to pumping them through of anti-depressants in hopes that they become breeding stock again?

And maybe you should read posts, because I addressed that proper doctor consultations are hard for trans to get, which is why they're opting for poor home order treatments.

See? Your kind invent the problem. You deny any treatment or support that doesn't lead people the way YOU think they should go. All out of some shitty status quo.

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>>90766980

I believe gays can be born with gay preference, much like I believe pedophiles can be born with pedo preference. Science suggests this is true.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115

Bring this up to any fag enablers, however, and suddenly you're a bad guy.

>>90766574
>In antiquity, homosexuality was seen as being no different than how we see shit like vore today.

Uh, no
>Homosexuality in ancient Rome often differs markedly from the contemporary West. Latin lacks words that would precisely translate "homosexual" and "heterosexual".[1] The primary dichotomy of ancient Roman sexuality was active/dominant/masculine and passive/submissive/feminine. Roman society was patriarchal, and the freeborn male citizen possessed political liberty (libertas) and the right to rule both himself and his household (familia). "Virtue" (virtus) was seen as an active quality through which a man (vir) defined himself. The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role.

>The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys
>The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier as modern Western societies have done. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.[6] This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.

>>90766980
Kek I'd say go back to /pol/ but you're too wacky. Are you a mom from the early 2000's?

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>>90766144
>>queer-shit man, i dunno what thing i want
hmmm. This answers a lot of questions for me.

>>90767032
Also
>
>The rite of passage undergone by Greek youths in the tribal prehistory of Greece evolved into the commonly known form of Greek pederasty after the rise of the city-state. Greek boys no longer left the confines of the community, but rather paired up with older men within the confines of the city. These men, like their earlier counterparts, played an educational and instructive role in the lives of their young companions; likewise, just as in earlier times, they shared a sexual relationship with their boys.

Gay sexual relations was literally a rite of passage to adulthood and "becoming a man".

links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

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>>90767050

Yes, it's not a secret gay pedophilia was an accepted thing in Rome. Are you endorsing gay pedophilia?

>>90767032
>>90767050
Isn't this what got Milo canned?

>>90766971
It's not weird. I've several gay friends.
Of course I work in the media, where there seems to be more of them, but they exist and it's not weird or exceptional. They're not stereotypical gays either.

I think it depends on where you live. I'm sure that gay people tend to move away from backwards areas with a lot of prejudice and move to cities or districts where there's already a gay community anyway and they don't "stand out" as much, because life is easier that way

>>90766980
>You're comparing unalike things.

Why are they unalike? Can you give a solid reason for why seeing violence done casually shouldn't cause people to be predisposed to violence, if seeing homosexual activity does? What's the actual difference?

We currently have no evidence that either has any effect, by the way.

>Of course everybody buys 'born this way' with some kind of religious fervor despite a lack of scientific evidence.

There is a fuckton of evidence, you just haven't done your homework.

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.full

>>90766899
>You decide to make dick in your man ass your entire personality.

No.

Hollywood Did that. Are we ignoring that anytime a gay person was on screen. What made them funny was that they were gay? Being gay was the punchline.

Will and Grace?
Parks and Rec with the weird asbergy Tourettesy Gay Guy

A shit ton of Sitcom/SNL Esque comedy sketches?

The only way gays were even allowed to be represented in media was as BEING gay.It was the only sense of identity they had. So naturally, if that kind of gay was acceptable in media, thats what little gay kids would grow up to believe is acceptable. I agree that its happening, but i believe that behavior was caused by the lack of respectable representation in media.

Straight people are the only ones who coincide a "Gay relationship" as only being sex oriented. They believe anytime they're not around a gay person, that gay person is off being a cumdumpster in some truck stop bathroom.

Its like they think gays literally cant feel love because it isn't towards a member of the opposite gender.

Like i get youre trying to trigger and troll, but i kinda wanna discuss opinions on the matter.

>>90767032
>>90767050
how were dudes supposed to get their bone on if no one wanted to be the hole, not a sustainable system there

>>90766574
except there were still fags anyways
despite being killed, burned and tortured at various points in historu

>>90766915
But they're not main characters.

>>90767127
*history

>>90766980
>I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the things kids experience, possibly including things they watch on TV and have a reaction to, in the years just before puberty, could have an effect on the development of a kid's sexuality.

Even outside it, Kids are really easy to convince. Hell, I wanted to get on Zoloft as a 7-8 because I liked the commercial, thank God I wasn't

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=twhvtzd6gXA

Kids are both smarter AND stupider than we give them credit for

>>90767086
no, but it's false to claim that homosexuality was seen as weird in antiquity as vore is today when it was seen as a normal rite of passage to adulthood.

>>90767097
>It's not weird. I've several gay friends.

>Soft-hand metropolitan types need not apply

>>90767149
>Kids are both smarter AND stupider than we give them credit for
this
but mostly parenting skills are to blame

>>90767113
Violence against your fellow man isn't encouraged as a good and normal thing.

>>90766971
Brooklyn 99 has Captain Holt.
I like that his funny bit isn't being gay. Bit being an autistic robot.

It's a part of his character, and there are some cases where him bekng gay is relevant, but overall it's just a part of his character, instead it being his characters defining point.

>>90767116
slaves and prostitutes.

I mean in Victorian times being a whore also rendered a woman dishonorable and pretty much indecent and unmarriageable, but prostitution was a huge and thriving industry nevertheless, the whores-per-capita ratio in London was at its highest throughout history

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>>90766633
God you're pathetic. Why are people like you allowed to reproduce? Honestly, there should be a test. Your grammar alone should make you ineligible, we're already over populated, we might as well have people with good grammatical skills.

>>90766574
>Treat it like it once was, little more than a fetish.

For what purpose? Making people miserable for your piece of mind? Because you find it strange? Holy fucking kek

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>>90764006

>>90763977
It can be done well.
It can be done poorly.
It can not be done at all.
This is true of all things.

>>90767127
>despite being killed, burned and tortured at various points in history

Sodomy=/=Gay in antiquity anymore than "I like Zootopia" means "I have sex with animals and that's part of my identity."

>>90767176
>artificially shutting out huge population hubs
>"they don't exist because they're not rural"

You do realise that 81% of US citizens reside in urban areas, right

>>90763977
>gay characters in anything
>females can be perfectly normal attractive women or manfaced bulldykes
>males are only ripped ubermensch or weird glasses wearing faggots with pedo staches

Where are the cute boys

>>90767178
Except it is often shown as good.

Kids are constantly watching films and TV, or playing games, that make violence the primary solution to most problems. It's shown as 'cool' and 'stylish'. Wolverine is cool, and what does he do? He cuts people to ribbons. How do you save the world in your average shooter? By blasting dudes apart over and over and over.

You are exactly the same as the soccer moms of the early 90's who insistent that violence in videogames and cartoons would create a generation of murderers. The cognitive dissonance you display is shocking.

>>90767178
>mobs
>raids
>lynchings
>bringing your kids to hangings
>attacking people who believe differently
>child soldiers
>public disembowlment

>>90767232
you were killed regardless anon
hell, even today you can still be killed just for being gay

>>90766017
You claiming being gay is wrong completely tanks your argument.

But yeah, I hate how shows are praised because of some shit that happens in the background completely irrelevant to the plot

>>90763977
I'm against it. My stance is to avoid the media that pushes it.

>>90767019
>breeding stock
You're right, transexuals deserve to die of natural selection. Treating the illness just creates the possibility of more transexuals to deal with when they decide to procreate. The self removal of LGT mental disorders from the genepool is a godsend. Why stop the enemy when they're busy killing themselves?

I wanted to mention that this was sarcasm, but as I wrote this down I realized how much truth there was to what I've just said.

>>90767250

That's exactly why it's pointless to bring it up, of course there's a ton of gay people there. There's a ton of every person there. But if you take a smaller demographic, they will typically be more reflective of genuine population percentages. It's like mentioning there's not many black people and someone goes "hey, I live in Detroit and know like ten black people!"

>>90767272
Off being straight

>>90767160
>conveniently ignores pedophilia
Did you realize that this cultural degeneracy was one of the factors to the fall of Rome?

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>>90766904
>tfw was a juzobro from the start
>tfw it became canon
>tfw he saved everyone and his husbando while the ED music played
Made up for the 'wtf i love despair now'

>>90767272
This. Those background gay characters in Star Vs. the Forces of Evil and the gay dads in Loud House look retarded.

I think it's because they're trying too hard to show that they're men.

>>90767178
Have you not seen all the entertainment where kicking ass, shooting and beating people and making shit explode is made to seem awesome and ultracool, it's what heroes do

>>90767515
>81% of the population live in cities
>"if you intentionally ignore the vast majority and only look at the 19% that live in specific areas, it's more genuine and more reflective of real percentages"

What the hell are you on anon?
People exist regardless of where they live

>>90767528
Most of those are violence against those who would harm your fellow man or vengeance against those who have harmed them.

Not to mention violent media is a way to feed the savage part of the human mid without giving into savagery.

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Meanwhile China has buses with lesbian webcomic advertisements, and gay BL webcomics are getting television dramas.

I thought it was illegal to be gay in China.

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>>90767602

1. Your number isn't even fucking correct you dildo.

2. Not all of these places are hip liberal hotspots like Los Angles or New York City. Hell most cities don't even resemble those places.

>>90763977
I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't feel forced, and doesn't try to bring too much attention to it.

>>90767666

You conveniently omitted those are cartoon characters, designed to be as sexy and idealistic as inhumanly possible. It sits on the middle ground between ordinary media and pornography.

>>90767705
Lmao those are webcomics with almost zero pornographic content. On top of that many of the characters look a bit odd. Shut the fuck up

>>90767775
>designed to be as sexy and idealistic as inhumanly possible.
>It sits on the middle ground between ordinary media and pornography.

Read the post next time, stupid fuck

>>90767666
wow Tan Jiu (the creator for the lesbian one) must be making money over there

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>>90767675
It is correct though.

Also it doesn't matter if you think that big cities are "liberal hotspots", the people living in them are still part of the population and thus count towards the percentages.

A lot of the gay people I know in fact come from smaller towns, but they all just moved the fuck away and into bigger cities when quite young, because of the prejudiced, even aggressive atmosphere back home at Hicksville. In their small rural towns they were a spectacle and "weird" and unusual, but when they moved to the big city no-one gave a shit. So in a way your perceived "normality" is also artificial, because most likely there would be gays born in your small town too, they just all moved away because they'd rather live somewhere where you can date and people don't get freaked out by your sexuality.

I'm from the capital in my country, and I went to a special performing arts -focused high school (ages 16-18), and there were a lot of people, already at that age, who had moved hundreds of kilometres away from home to attend that school at age 15 because they'd felt too "weird" to be accepted back in whatever small towns they were from. A lot of them were gay or bi. So usually as soon as people start to figure out they're gay, they'll move away and into more tolerant areas, which will also distort the perception in the rural areas of what's "normal". Trying to act like "big liberal hotspots aren't normal" is bullshit because "normality" is only achieved through pushing those who don't fit the "normal" mold into the liberal hotspots.

They're still a part of the population.

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>>90767705
I get it. So we should be making adult cartoons sexier.

I still don't understand the point of gay pride parades. Do you really have to be obnoxious and wear disgusting fetish gear because you're proud you stick your willy in another man's shithole or shove your face in another girl's snatch?

>>90763977
Degeneracy and should not be happening

Like interracial when its only the blonde white girl that gets to be fucked by brownies or niggs

You know its ture

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>>90767872
>cities and suburbs

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>>90767872
>cities and suburbs are the same

>>90765468
>>90765737
I'll never forget the time where I was insecure about being a flesh bag with the purpose to only breed and die and do some things that prevents myself from dying.
That's why I'm asexual, I don't wanna join the rat race and work until I either die and retire for my kids. Somehow I feel more intellectual than most for my decision, I only wish most people weren't stupid.

>>90767872
>A lot of the gay people I know in fact come from smaller towns, but they all just moved the fuck away and into bigger cities when quite young, because of the prejudiced, even aggressive atmosphere back home at Hicksville.

I hope you're aware that you're proving his point. If you live in a city and then try to imply gay people are very common, you're not very smart.

>>90767819
No, I just said that what you said is fucking wrong, they aren't designed that way and it doesn't border on pornography

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>>90767872

Gays are a part of the population but they're still a demonstrably small part. This is why when you have a gay characters show up so often in television or movies or whatever it becomes out of place and noticeable. Then people will question why there's so many of them in so many shows, constantly present. Then they'll assume you have something to gain from showing so many. This is why people assume there's a liberal agenda to glorify gays or turn everyone gay or something. It's not like having a black character in every show, where a single one in a group of ten is actually proportionate and you can't exactly convert into a black guy.

>>90767977
>I dont know what titillation is

You dont need to openly show breasts or cocks to arouse people, you can do it in subtle ways such as with obscenely attractive characters doing innocuous but romantic things

>>90768017
>and you can't exactly convert into a black guy.
But you can convert into a gay?

>>90768043

That's what people believe. I'm not saying it's right or wrong (since science itself hasn't affirmed one or the other) but it's more feasible than exposure to radioactive KFC turning you black.

>>90765882
>exposing kids to the existence of blacks is disgusting
Seeing as how black culture discarded all its good qualities like Blues and is mostly thug romanticisation, it's a pretty sound advice.

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>>90768043
Yes.

>>90767965
>If you live in a city and then try to imply gay people are very common
It's the exact flipside of not living in a city and arguing that gay people are exceptionally weird because "I never see them". They exist but they move to the cities because it's easier to breathe there if you're a bit outside the norm. Thus, people in the cities, and probably people working in certain industries especially, see more gays than there would "normally" be, but also people in more rural areas see way less because the gays from that area moved to the city. So the "truth" is somewhere in between.

>>90768116
>It's the exact flipside of not living in a city and arguing that gay people are exceptionally weird because "I never see them".

They make up 2% of the population. In a television show with a cast of ten characters, there is an enormous chance of none of them being gay.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a natural population limiter that develops in groups that have a large population and helps curb its growth. Seeing as homosexual, bi, and transgender people number at less than 10 percent of the US population combined their sudden appearance at the forefront in most media can be considered a sociological push to normalize the aberrant behavior.

>>90768146
Nature doesn't work like that. "Oh gee, the population is getting big, better pump out a few more faggots!"

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>>90768146

I agree with you, but that's probably not what it is. Save for a few deep-industry crazies who believe gays are the next step in evolution, it's more likely just a gaggle of kikes who realize gay people can be a spectacle and use them accordingly. It's like black gang culture in the '90s, its not about being a good person or "helping them rise up," its about making money with what you think draws in the most attention. If in the next few years white nationalism and racist frogs become what niggas and fags were in the past, I can guarantee Hollywood will use them similarly.

>>90768043
People on this board are constantly posting about how they are going gay for an effeminate or trap character, or how a show is turning them gay.

>>90768143
No, there's way more gay and bisexual guys than that. tons of "straight" guys just don't let people know they like cock

>>90768164
Several scientific studies have taken animals and placed them in a confined space in large numbers and plentiful food. Homosexuality increases exponentially as the population increases.

>>90768017
>This is why when you have a gay characters show up so often in television or movies or whatever it becomes out of place and noticeable
Yeah I'm not saying that gay tokenism would be a good thing, and I know that in reality they're only like 5% or less or such of the population. I just also think it's not that strange.

In fact, seeing how a lot of the gay characters I've seen in the media don't really reflect the way the actual gay people I've met act, because the fictional homos tend to broadcast their gayness, it's possible pushing for "representation" would end up sort of creating this fictional, artificial gayness, which isn't good either. And in any case, I personally consider myself somewhat left-leaning and latté-guzzling and have gay friends and all that, and even I'm getting fed up with some of the muh representayshun bullshit, so I feel like it all might very well end up having an adverse effect, somehow.

I'm also a bit drunk which may show in my posts, sorry bout that

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>>90768205
>No, there's way more gay and bisexual guys than that.

I hate arguing with people who can't use Google for three seconds.

>>90768244
Did you just not bother reading the second sentence or do you not know what being in the closet means

>>90765088
Funny thing, where I grew up we had a token white kid.

>>90768143
I think it's a bit higher than that, something like 3-4%, but still yeah not enough to warrant slapping a token homo in every tv cast, I agree with that.

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>>90768317

Yes, I'm sure another 9% of the population is in the closet.

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>>90765217
>>90764035

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>>90765713
>>90766467
>slave to environment and genetics, no free will
>chooses made-up pronoun

>>90768350
I must've forgotten that I wrote 10% because for some reason I can't find where I wrote that. That's a number you brought up

>>90763977
LGBTs are mentally defective and shouldn't be allowed in cartoons.

They are an insignificant percentage of the population and should treated as such.

>>90768146
I think it's just a case of there being a lot of gay and bisexual people in the media who are treating their own traumas and experiences through their work. You know, growing up they always wished there'd be a tv character whose sexuality they could identify with, and now they're in a position to make it happen.

There's also this cultural buzz around sjw issues currently, all this talk about acceptance this and representation that, so it's sort of "trendy" to signal how progressive you're being through putting some gays in your fiction

>>90768391

How much of the population do you think is gay then?

>>90768367
>>90766856
>>90767466
Why are you fedoras always so over dramatic?

>>90765628
Do you feel like you could be "treated" away from liking the opposite sex into being gay?

>>90765134

shoreleave was gay?

>>90768454
Jailhouse gay

>>90768196
But that's the thing. They were already fucking gay/bi you idiot. Most normies and Chads wouldn't turn gay after seeing a fucking cartoon trap they'd think "oh gross" or "it's a bunch of lines and a circle, how are you attracted to this?".

>>90768405
Like I said. They are using media to normalize their aberrant sexuality. Through the media they are attempting to portray their aberrant sexual tendencies in a neutral or positive light. This will lead to a sociological change in perspective regarding such behavior.

Also for the record aberrant=/=bad. Aberrant is the best term other than deviant which has gained a biased negative stigma due to colloquial use.

>>90768196
>draw an attractive character with female characteristics
>call it male

Do you see the problem now?

It's like when you find a "gay" person who is attracted to wide hips, a large butt and a feminine face.

>>90765926
I havent gotten around to watching Star but did she get cucked for a guy? What an awful thing to put in a kid's show for girls, they're already going to be jaded enough.

>>90768352
>r63 art
equally as nice
keep 'em coming senpai

>>90768569
nah Marco cucked her for another chick. There were some homosexual couples kissing in the background as she was being cucked though.

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>>90768403
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>>90766856


>all this fucking /pol/

What the fuck happened to this board? Who the fuck told you it was okay for you all to leave your containment board?

>>90768623
>I cant stand these people who disagree with what I believe
>I'm so tolerant

>>90768196
I think a lot of it is just memeing.
Also it's different with fictional illustrations, a lot of alluring trap art I've seen for example slaps very feminine traits on the "male" including proper child-bearing hips, a very cute and feminine face and so on

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>>90768623

You don't honestly believe the cure for gender dysphoria is extreme gender conversion, do you?

>>90768623
WAAAAAHH OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE MY POLITICAL VIEWS. LE /POL/ BOOGEYMAN!


Kill yourself.

Go back to /pol/

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>>90768623
>Pandering is bad
>"GO BACK TO /pol/ REEE"
Are you okay anon?

>>90768655
LOL at all of this

>>90768718
This is how you know someone is really fucking stupid. When they say this.

/pol/ is in cartoons, TV and movies. If politics were kept out of those things, then /pol/ would stay out of boards related to them.

>>90768623
>false-flagging

imagine spending time on 4chan seething at the idea of non-straight people in cartoons, knowing that you have no control over something that will keep happening

>>90768655
Not that guy, but when your view is 'people who are different or think different from me but have no effect on me should die for the sin of existing', yeah, I will be intolerant as fuck toward you.

I hate it when people like this hide behind the idea that all opinions are equal and worthy of respect, and that they're being oppressed somehow when people find their antisocial or hateful views disgusting.

Literally that one "Hey guys I just wanted to kill all the Jews it's just an opinion you sure have some growing up to do" comic incarnate.

>>90765659
>bringing the old gay stereotype excuse
None anon has showed a source of such stereotype

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>>90768655
>what I believe
>acting like thinking that LGBT people should be treated like human beings is something someone 'believes' and isn't just obligatory/basic human rights shit

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>>90768824
It's remarkably easy to piss people off on this site.

>>90768832
>when your view is 'people who are different or think different from me but have no effect on me should die for the sin of existing', yeah, I will be intolerant as fuck toward you.

Maybe one of the posts he linked says that.

>>90767113
I fucking love it when someone just drops the knowledge like this.

How the fuck are people still not equipped with the basic knowledge required to argue properly on the points they feel passionately about? The internet is at your fingertips, you have no excuse for being one-upped like this anymore.

>>90767160
It was banned by a lot of Roman rulers. You're just as uneducated, if not more because you parrot from fucking Wikipedia. Read some more shit. A lot of Greeks and Romans disliked the practice because of the predatory nature and how it was used by nobles to humiliate each other.

>>90766015
Difference being that those ones don't tend to lead people to self harm themselves over it

>>90769083
what? there are thousands of other reasons, theres no difference here.

>>90766162
Don't lie to yourself, she's definitely straight.
Even when she became a desire driven alien bug rapist she only captured boys.

>>90766162
>fags cant tell the difference between arousal and horror

its like poetry, you know, it

>>90768484
>But that's the thing. They were already fucking gay/bi you idiot.
You say that, but how would you know? You're just interpreting the facts to fit with your preconceived notions.
>Most normies and Chads wouldn't turn gay after seeing a fucking cartoon trap they'd think "oh gross" or "it's a bunch of lines and a circle, how are you attracted to this?".
Because they don't frequent a website where traps or femboys are posted, if they did maybe some of them would turn out the same.

I don't give a shit
If they act like it's a natural thing or that it feels genuine then it's fine
I just don't like the attitudes people have when they are for it
>LOOK! GAY PEOPLE! SEE HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE!
you can put it in if you want, but don't make it a big deal if you feel its part of the norms of society
Highlighting it or praising will raise eyebrows and others may claim it to be part of an agenda rather than just being a natural part of life

>>90767113
>gender is determined in the womb
I thought gender was a social construct and we just arbitrarily assigned women with penises to the "male" category if we felt like it?

>>90763977
Too often ham-handed and awkward, and increasingly disproportionate in terms of "representation", doing more to set ideas about acceptance back than actually helping.

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>>90769219
People don't blush at horror, goober.

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>>90769221

Pretty much every "trap and femboy" on this site is a histrionic unstable shithead who would do the world a favor if they drank bleach. And note that I say this because of their severe personality flaws, not because they desperately crave dick (or any attention at all.)

>>90769296

People blush when reacting to suggestive things, good or bad. I was referring more to her obvious expression.

>>90769296
its not horror but its not arousal
its embarassment

>>90763977
Don't care much. In fact I like it as long as it doesn't become something they use as a tool to draw attention or force it down people's throats. If you want to create equality you shouldn't treat it as something special and put too much emphasize on it.

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>>90768569
If only you knew how bad things really are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5ACBivlcg

>>90769406
BLACKED

>>90769251
Guy who posted that link here.

I personally don't believe what you just said.

If people end up with gender dysphoria or the like, then they can do whatever they want to deal with that, but biological gender is indeed assigned in the womb.

Don't assume everyone who disagrees with you is the same SJW strawman. There's a whole host of issues I probably agree with you on, like stuff concerning gender rights and (lel) 'intersectional feminism'.

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>>90769423
Jackie's not black
She's one of those dirty seaple

>>90769426
fair enough.

>>90763977
Keep it in adult cartoons. I'm personally indifferent but I think that's the best choice

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I'm amazed we've gone so far in the thread without pic related. It's an entire series with a gay male lead, where him being gay is central to the series concept.

LGBT are 10 percent of the population using the most generous figures. Real figures are probably less than half that. From a demographic standpoint, they're over represented by a huge amount, and the argument that we need more gay presence on the grounds of representation is fucking retarded.

There's plenty of OTHER justifications for putting gay shit in cartoons. Use one of them instead.

>>90765088
Black people are about 15 percent of the population. From a representation standpoint, you should be thinking more designated asians or hispanics.

>>90765316
Are you surprised?

>>90769566
>It's an entire series with a gay male lead, where him being gay is central to the series concept.

Sounds fucking miserable

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>>90767314
They weren't gay though. They were not in a climate where it was considered an "identity." A guy in 1328 saying he's a proud sodomite is like a modern-day landwhale chanting "Health at Every Size" as she funnels a box of Little Debbie's.

>>90769465
i agree there should also be no heterosexual romantic elements in any children's media

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>>90767032
>eromenos
>pederasty

>>90763977

I wish they could just shut up, They gay, i get it, no need to be loud as fuck.

>>90769566
Something tells me there is a reason I have never heard of this show.

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>>90768352
We are all in agreement that Johnny is the top right?

>>90763977

Gay is a mental illness

Go to nearest hospital if you a faggot.

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I don't care for it, but I hate when people hop the bandwagon of why they think a cartoon is only good just because of it. Some people act like they never seen the same sex kiss or fuck before.

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>>90767963
>patting yourself on the back for being a genetic dead end by choice

>>90763977
As long as it's between cute girls it's okay. I do not want to see guys kiss no thank you.

>>90763977
It's fine if being LGBT is not their main descriptor.
There can be a gay character but don't make his defining feature him being gay. Give them personality, and have that sort of thing be an afterthought.

>>90768221
And ducks are necrophiles, what's your point?

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>>90769706
The strong and proud samurai being defiled by the throbbing manhood of a knowitall showoff fuckboi?
Yes please.

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>>90769610
I thought it was entertaining trash. I'll give it this much. It didn't try to make it's lead a saintly role model, and gave the lead a LOT more than just being gay both in personality and plot..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXbSNoQFjsM

>>90766904
Japan doesn't have christfags or gay activists fucking shit up.

>>90767666
It's been legal for almost 20 years.

>>90768221
Technical accuracy. When the population density hits a certain threshiold, non reproduction, like NEETness and homosexuality dramatically increases.

>>90765297
Watch Dofus

>>90769042
Sure, but it was still an established practice and not considered as weird and abnormal as vore is today, which is what anon was claiming.

>>90768499
>ab- like abnormal
>errant like in error (AKA bad)

OMFG HOW HOMOPHOBIC YOU FUCKING BIGOT!!!!!!

>>90769978
>rap
nah no thanks

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>>90765297
These two are a good example.

gays can suck my dick

Seems fine. I guess.

>>90770231
FUCK OFF BOCO

>>90770262

Geez, what did I do this time?

>>90770272
Tripfagging?

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>>90763977
I'm impartial as I keep to myself.

>>90763977
Absolutely not needed.

Okay, fine. You like cocks and want to get fucked in the manpussy. Stop spreading your gay disease in cartoons you faggot. LGBT was a mistake.

It's not homosexuality that I have a problem with, just some gay people want to advocate this when its not needed.

>>90765737
You're thinking of demisexuals, and yeah the whole feelings thing is bullshit

>>90768623
Less than 5% of the population, anon.

>>90763977
I wish it was more subtle.

>>90766971
I live in Cuckifornia and I saw two guys kiss before going to class.

>>90763977
when i see gays in real life i dont expect them to start kissing and acting out in front of me to prove they are gay. I expect them to act like a normal damn person.
If in every episode the gay character acts just as any average character would its no big deal, maybe sprinkle in some oogling at guys/girl at the beach (because every series seems to have a beach episode) as a joke is fine.

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>>90767097
i live in a conservative bible belt town, 20 minutes away we have a street that is called "gay street" yes thats the actual name.
>mfw theres a dark slightly shady bridge on gay street
>and gay bars
>and gays hanging out under the bridge
>so many tranny prostitutes
feels weird leaving a church and going face to face with pic related

>>90763977
Is there any?
It's not in kids cartoons which I don't care about but in adult cartoons it still boils down to 'lol gay people amirite?' so that's annoying.

Getting upset about homos in cartoons is down there with getting upset over violence in videogames.

Remember when violence in videogames was a huge issue?

Whatever happened with that?

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>>90771448
Does the quality also reach this level?

>>90763977
if all goes well in my line of work, I plan on making a show with a gay side character who crushes on the mc for the whole show, pours out his feelings and then instead of getting flat rejected the two sit and talk it out while cool background scenery shows up.

>>90771386

But what if they're a couple and they like showing affection? I see straight couples kiss all the time and no one gets mad at them.

>>90771537
I'm not gay but some of the chicks with dicks at gay street are pretty hot not gonna lie

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>>90771517
The same people demanding homos be in video games are complaining about it. Remember when Gabe Newell had to personally step in and get Hatred back on Steam?

>>90770161
>So gay they're a couple in every world spanning the multiverse
That's pretty gay alright.

>>90771576
from the cartoon perspective, do the straight people in the series go out of their way to kiss a lot? if in whatever show you're watching the answer is yes, i dont see why not.

Yamagi should've gotten the Shino-D.

>>90767113
>Can you give a solid reason for why seeing violence done casually shouldn't cause people to be predisposed to violence, if seeing homosexual activity does? What's the actual difference?
It's well known that things people see and enjoy as a child in a sexual (or 'protosexual') way can flip a switch for them and give them a fetish or a sexual fixation later in life. How many of the footfags here are that way because of something they saw in a cartoon, TV show, or movie?

>>90767097
>move to cities or districts where there's already a gay community anyway and they don't "stand out" as much, because life is easier that way

This used to be the case when being lynched for liking man-ass was a serious legitimate concern. These days it's better to "stand out" in hick towns and small towns because this way it's easier to meet people with the same interests and you don't even accidentally hit on bubba the unemployed straight construction worker who will punch your face in for daring to get all faggy on him. Conversly it makes it easier for the "normals" to identify you so they know what to deal with and if they wish so they can avoid you.

>>90771605
>The same people demanding homos be in video games are complaining about it.
Nice strawman chucklefuck.

>>90771576
Because that is normal. If you have an abnormal sexual fetish like homosexuality that's fine behind closed doors but the majority of people don't want to see it any more than they want to see a foot fetishist licking his girlfriend's feet in public.

>>90769737
That explains /co/.

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>>90771684
None of those words mean what you think they mean.

>>90771740
Claiming strawmen (people who want to allegedly ban some shitty videogame on steam for emotional reasons) are also the once who want more gay representation in media so we should ignore all people who want more gay representation in media is not strawmanning?

Go hang yourself you dumb fuck.

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>>90771837
That's not very progressive of you, anon.

>>90771564
He talks him out of being gay for him?

>>90771564
>while cool background scenery shows up.
What?

>>90771715
Oh fuck you anon, couples kissing can be obnoxious as shit. I remember these two that hooked up in a class I was in and it was annoying as hell to hear them sounding like a cow chewing cud during breaks and lunch. I wasn't alone in this either, most of my peers found it annoying as shit to try and eat lunch while two people were sucking face right next to them. Hell we honestly considered doing a little prank about it using a boom mike from the AV supplies.

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>>90771564
I think Clamp beat you to it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxZDshJqPE

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>>90771968
Like this, except background scenery. Trees, bushes, park benches, etc...

>>90771666
>These days it's better to "stand out" in hick towns and small towns because this way it's easier to meet people with the same interests
Nice trips, satan, but as other people have pointed out the gay population isn't that numerous, so by congreating in big cities you both get a nicely sized subculture full of people who also want to fuck you, and also get to move to more tolerant surroundings where you're not a local freak or weirdo but just one anonymous gay among many.

It's not "better" for meeting other gays because the other gays are all in the big city.

>>90771980
I dont personally think that would have been a bad idea. It's not horrible that people love each other or anything but gratuitous public displays of affection should be mocked. You can be an exhibitionist all you want, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think people will react positively and that arguing like an entitled shit will help your case.

>>90772168
One of my classmates approached them and told them that it was making people uncomfortable but the dude was this arrogant ass who thought that people were just 'jealous of their love' and shit. Honestly I don't think anybody would have minded all that much if they were just a little lovey dovey but they went over the top with it. I am assuming everyone can infer what the prank was but I will reveal it anyhow. The prank was to just approach them with a boom mike and recording equipment and just hold it in front of them while they made out. They stop to ask 'wtf are you doing?' and the reply was going to be along the lines of 'We needed to record sounds of nature and you guys sounded just like a pair of cows chewing cud'.

>>90764006
FPBP

>>90772100
You're basing this all on the assumption that I want to or will ever move to the city. I don't and I most likely wont be moving. Sure it might be easier to "live with my own kind" in some kind of a gay reservation in the big city but the town I grew up in is my home and will always be. Even though it has it's share of mouthbreathers who think having a preference for penis makes you a bad person. You learn to deal with everything and like I said, at worst these days someone will shout fag at you from a pick up truck or get angry at you for finding them sexually attractive. Beats getting mobbed to death or being hung up to dry.

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>>90763977
I see more people complain there isn't enough representation of gays or in celebration of how there is gays then anyone really complaining. Most complaints seem to be people critical of the fact that gay characters are seemingly only shoehorned there to pander to a particular demographic. I very very rarely see anyone who actually thinks gays are less than straights and don't want them in their show.

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>>90763977
At best LGBTBBQROTFLOL is a series of behavioral genetic disorders that effect a very minor amount of the population even when grouped together like that.

If that is the case than it is down right idiotic to feel obligated to create fictional representation to the degree that has already been made.

Sadly what can easily be regarded as a dysfunction has been practically deified by liberals as a force of "progress".

It is a pretty funny argument because so many believe in cultivation theory, that media can alter perception of reality in young children to make them more violent or aggressively heterosexual.
Many would take issue if one was to insinuate that if media truly has hypnotic power that it could not be used in laymens terms, to turn kids into a bunch of fucking fruity faggots.

I have watched a lot of anime with token gay characters all the same, never really comes off as some kind of pandering, mostly played for jokes.
In cartoons it is used for "virtue signaling" and treated with an absurd amount of reverence.
That isn't progress, that's coddling.

>>90765316
If you design a gay character, just put it there and don't pay attention to it unless it's needed. Maybe there's one episode in which a homosexual character is trying to get a date. Or maybe they want to get laid. Or maybe they're on a double date. Or hell, jut put them looking at porn or comparing their tastes with their friends, no need to have a banter with "I'M GAY" all over their scenes.

>>90772415
This would make excellent pasta.

>>90772390
I wasn't talking about you, and didn't realise you were talking about you either

>>90772230
I think it's universal that overt displays of PDA make everyone else uncomfortable. Only stupid teenagers sometimes think other people wouldn't mind, but when it gets to the grinding and facesucking phase it's just disgusting.

>>90771715
The majority of people don't really want to see straight people kiss either.

Like a quick peck is ok but no-one wants to wait for a bus next to a couple that's making out, regardless of what sex they are

>>90772508
Fair enough

Homofag here. It's occasionally nice to get a call out. I think everyone enjoys those.

Of course when they start happening too often it's kind of awkward because it's obvious they're doing it more out of an obligation than real caring but I'm not in a position to complain. Seeing gays in cartoons is still mindblowing considering how taboo the subject was even back in the 00's.

I don't give a fuck unless it's important to the story.

>>90764035
I don't get the impression from this image that they're supposed to be gay and wouldn't have read into it that way if it wasn't posted in this thread. It's actually pretty awesome desu and I don't typically care for crossovers.

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