Things you would not expect about creators based on their writing

I honestly would not have guessed Alex Hirsch was such a stick in the mud about Trumps and in your face with pro-liberal agenda. Everytime I saw photos of him, he was always partying or out a bar. His interviews have him acting crazy and fun while doing voices. And GF is just one big silly, fun cartoon. I imagine a guy like that would be laughing his ass off during election day, not telling the brave people of California to stay strong under the rule of the new Fuhrer.

Also, I would have never thought CH Greenblatt would've been capable of a meltdown after the whole Nickelodeon Harvey Beaks incident. Both HB and Chowder seem so cute and light hearted. I would've thought if ANYONE in the industry would have blown their fucking lid by now, it would've been Lauren Faust.

>>90743100
>Millar is a conservatard
Color me surprised.

>>90743216
Catholic =/= Conservative
Many more Liberal Catholics than other Christian denominations, at least in the US.
I would point you to how often Millar makes fun of republicans, but that obviously doesn't mean shit.

>>90743100
Well, I am Russian and don't know the exact situation in America, but recently I found out Curt Busiek is a modern day liberal, which is a weird fact to me because during his Avengers run especially the way Triune understanding manipulated the masses, the mob behaved itself exactly like modern day liberals in America demanding diversity for the sake of diversity.

>>90743100
While reading Superior Foes I didn't expect Nick Spencer to be a massive gaping cunt.

>>90743465
Isn't the Fix still good?

>>90743100
Generally the people who talk the most shit about religion either are or have been involved with it deeply

Why do you think fedora tipper atheists tend to come from devout families?

>>90743216
catholics (outside of 90% catholic countries like Poland or Italy) are, or at least historically were, less conservative than christians from eastern orthodox or protestant churches

>>90743564
>>90743273
>I wasn't born or lived in a Roman Catholic country

>>90743596
>(outside of 90% catholic countries like Poland or Italy)

>>90743100
There's a shitload of Catholics in Scotland.

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>>90743605
>Latin American or Irish Catholics are progressive as fuck

>>90743622
Aren't they mostly Catholic?

>>90743408
>Liberals are a manipulated mob whose only platform is diversity for the sake of diversity.

Did you learn it reading "Russia Today"?

>>90743668
>doubting our god Putin
The day Mother Russia takes over your country, I will personally tell the Commissar what you said in this board.

>>90743665
Catholic and Protestant.

>>90743640
>progressive

>>90743216
I'm Catholic and everyone in my family is either centrist or center left.

Of course, in Canada the whole political pendulum is moving farther left all the time so we might be right pretty soon.

>>90743465
First thing I thought. How can such a humorless cunt write that book is beyond me.

>>90743752
>centrist or center left
I.e. you will vote left or right depending on what's more fashionable on that year.

>>90743596
Considering I went to an all boys Catholic High School in a pretty Catholic area, you can shove that right up your ass.
I literally specified the US in my post too. Kill yourself.

>>90743876
>you can shove that right up your ass
>all boys Catholic High School
Oh yeah, there's that too. Catholic priests love to help Catholic boys to lose their virginity.

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Mike Allred (Creator of Madman, artist of Silver Surfer and X-Statics) and his colorist wife Laura are Mormons and they had an arranged marriage.

Apparently, they where nervous about each other but when they found they both liked comics, that's what they bonded over.

He wrote a graphic novel about the Mormon story of the Golden Plates.

>>90743668
No.

By reading Iron Fist reviews

>>90743932
>Mormons, i.e. terribly racist and homophobic
That explains why they work for Marvel.

>>90743100
>Mark "the edge" Millar is a devout Catholic.

You mention American Jesus, but in the afterword to the first trade Millar goes on about how much he loves Jesus and his plans on depicting the real Messiah in the sequel
Which he's written and should be out this fall.

>>90743921
>h-ha ha if I make rape jokes it will strengthen my point
Listen here nigger, I'm not even a catholic anymore, I'm an atheist (inb4 fedora comments) so I'm not defending the Church or the religion, I'm making the factual comment that being catholic doesn't automatically make one conservative.

>>90743991
I never read the trade, just the scans lol

>>90743640
Wasn't liberation theology catholic?

>>90743817
>letting parties and identity politics dictate your decisions for you instead of examining choices on a case by case basis

Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

>>90744010
>nigger
Roman Catholic confirmed.
>I'm an atheist
Well, duh. I'd lose my faith if the padre came in my ass every night too.

>>90743932
Damn, that is fucking surprising.

>>90743216
>implying being liberal is better
you keep repeating history sven

>>90744046
Yeah, but you're dead, Obi-wan, so what the fuck do you know about it?

>>90744030
There's a scan of the trade haha.
It's really interesting stuff. Millar's take on Jesus is pretty neat sounding.

And honestly, American Jesus isn't really a pisstake. It's a story about the Anti-Christ, and a lot of things in it are painted that way. Especially the seduction toward belief that the lapsed faith Priest goes through.

It actually makes a lot of sense in a twisted way.

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>>90743100
>Weird facts about creators contrary to their works

Todd McFarland left Marvel and founded Image Comics in part because he felt cheated for not getting royalties on Venom merch with his art because they Marvel Lawyers it was a "Spin-Off of Spider-Man".

Neil Gaiman took Todd to court for not reviving royalties for "Medieval Spawn" and Angela toys because Todd argued that those two wouldn't have existed without regular Spawn.

So basically Todd McFarland is the worlds biggest hypocrite.

>>90744077
something something one with the force something something more powerful than you can possibly imagine

also checked

That Garth Ennis likes Superman.

At first it made no sense since he always shat on capes, but then someone put it in perspective: to Ennis, who lived through The Troubles, vigilantes are stupid bunch of cunts. And most capes are vigilantes. Except Superman. He will not kill you unless you're Darkseid-tier evil, and even then he'll have to stop and ask himself if you're *truly* as bad as Darkseid. He'll just take you to the authorities after you've been pacified. Technically can count as a citizen arrest.

>>90744064
Okay I laughed. You're still a fucking faggot though.

Do people in this thread think that anyone who is religious is a hardcore believer? Most religious people do it because they were raised on it and are used to it or as a way to cope with certain elements in life. A christian who goes to Church every Sunday or a Catholic who celebrates Lent isn't going to immediately hiss at the idea of writing themes that goes against the hardcore aspects of those beliefs. That's kind of what being a professional is. I'm sure there's a ton of people who worked on King of the Hill who don't agree with some morals, that didn't stop them from writing scripts or storyboarding it.

>>90743483

I enjoy it quite alot yeah. Up to issue 8 now.

>>90744168
That's not his house. His house is full of arcane spells and magic runes.

>>90744202
And Zubats, apparently.

>>90744180
>a Catholic who celebrates Lent isn't going to immediately hiss at the idea of writing themes that goes against the hardcore aspects of those beliefs
>>90743596

>>90744111
No shit, almost every original Image founder is a scumbag. They left to make MORE money when Liefield was literally getting seven figures a year from Marvel. I'd imagine Lee and McFarlane were at least in the high sixes.

>>90744168
Nah We've known Moore is a huge hypocrite and bullshiter, the man who wrote Top 10 and Supreme saying he hates capes? Give me a fucking break

>>90744064
>Well, duh. I'd lose my faith if the padre came in my ass every night too.
Anon... something you want to share?

>>90744231
His don't work.

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>>90743921
I thought fedoras stuck to reddit. Are comics even euphoric enough for you?

>>90743100
That just reminded me of one of the things Grant Morrison said about Millar's Wanted:

"For all his growing reputation as a shallow sensationalist, Millar was an altar boy at heart; he used the language of the lowest common denominator to preach hellfire. Wanted was an epic attempted exorcism, but its raw admission of Millar’s own dark-side dreams and its flirtation with a genuinely nihilistic endorsement of every antivalue as the way to “make it” in this world suggested a demon big enough to leave sizable bite marks in any Augustine cassock."

>>90744127
Name one British comic book writer and odds are he is a Superfag.

Morrison, Moore, Ennis, Millar, all Superfags.

>>90744233
Yeah and he left Scotland after like 25 years and has been living in America ever since. He's spent nearly as much time in America as he has Scotland. That's more than enough fucking time to have your opinions slowly changed even if it doesn't go with your religious beliefs, especially when you're working in an industry that is mostly liberals in a country that prides itself on liberal beliefs. And again, even if he doesn't agree, that doesn't stop him from being a professional who can write characters who DO believe in those ideas.

>>90744180
I don't know if you've read Millar's work if you're writing this. There's King of the Hill, then there's putting an anti abortion bomb into the incest baby womb of an anti abortion character's daughter.

>>90744127
This isn't contrary to his writing though. Hitman 34 etc. He always writes a good Superman.

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>>90744335
>America
>a country that prides itself on liberal beliefs

>>90744337
>Not mentioning that the father of the incest baby was a homosexual
Nemesis was a joy and a treasure.

>>90743622
>>90743665
A study from april of last year shows that over 50% of people in Scotland aren't religions (52% to be precise) compared to the 40% shown in 1999.

The stats on the Wikipedia page only cover 2011, however about 32% of the Scottish population are protestant and half of that are catholic. Again these statistics are from 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scotland#Statistics

>>90744180
americans are very strange when it comes to factionalism
there is nothing else except non-believers and fundamentalists
casual or cultural association is not a thing, be it religious or political in nature.
and if you're one thing you can't be another
it's all very strange

>>90744457
What someone prides themselves on being and what they actually are are two different things. You're a fool if you try to deny that America prides itself on freedom of speech, tolerance, acceptance, the land of the free, being a melting pot of diversity. That has nothing to do with who they actually are but what their reputation is.

>>90744544
Aren't religious or don't belong to any church?
Those are two completely different things in europe.

>>90743564
Catholics are way more hardass-y than protestants in most of Europe, even in countries where they are the minority. It's just American protestants who form weird sects and make them look normal in comparison.

>>90744645
>>90744645

>"Findings from the Scottish Social Attitudes survey show 52% of people say they are not religious, compared with 40% in 1999 when the survey began.
The proportion who say they belong to the Church of Scotland has fallen from 35% in 1999 to just 20%"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35953639

I'm not disagreeing with you I just recall seeing this article a while back.

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Gerard Jones is a pedophile.

>>90743965

Can you explain what you keep trying to do in this thread?

>>90743188
>I would've thought if ANYONE in the industry would have blown their fucking lid by now, it would've been Lauren Faust.
Lauren is a broken woman.

>>90744202
He doesn't really have a house. Everyone knows he lives in a massive floating castle in the Magical Realm guarded by Glycon himself, where rival magicians aren't able to get their hands on him.

>>90743763
I remember a few years back reading something related to Bedlam where he said he tries to write from the opposite perspective of his own beliefs.

>>90743932
that sounds adorable

>>90743188
You'd be surprised how many people who are seemingly carefree suddenly find interest in politics when it looks black and white enough.

>>90744243
Lee was the Marvel Golden boy, easily more valuable than Liefled at Marvel. Image was a McFarlane and Liefeld brainchild ( The way Rob tells it mostly Todd) and they went around getting talent to join up

They even tried to get John Byrne to join them

>>90744127
He also likes Spider-Man

>>90747632
>Bedlam is STILL on 'hiatus'

It's not fucking fair.

>>90744243
>They left to make MORE money

And? Considering how Marvel treats its employees historically I can't exactly blame them. They knew they weren't going to be hot at Marvel forever and arguably leaving Marvel to have creations they can own was a good idea.

Now what their actions after they left or the quality of their creations, that's a different debate.

>>90747879
Hopefully he'll go back to it after Secret Empire wraps up and he's done with Captain America.

>>90744377
I think people are still surprised by Hitman 34 because they don't realize how much Ennis loves Supes until his protagonist lays it out in plain english.

>>90744180
Illustration: 50+% of French people identify as Roman Catholic. Half of those people declared not believing in God.

Well its like he says, no commandment saying what you can write.

And speaking as a Cathloic no one gets more pissy at Mother Church fucking up than us, believe me.

>>90743596
>Spain and Portugal
>Not left leaning

>>90744641
Second.

>>90744490
Lol I had entirely forgotten.

>>90744335
Wait, when did Millar move to America? Last I remembered he was living in Scotland.

Ennis moved to New York, IIRC

>>90747725
>The past five months in a nutshell
But I would replace it with "suddenly throw themselves in a frenzy"

>>90748216
>Spain
>left leaning
That's not what my Spanish friends tell me.

Neil Gaiman was raised in the Church of Scientology. He left decades ago an doesn't like talking about it.

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>>90748436
>when did Millar move to America?
After receiving a visit from pic related.

>>90748515
But Morrison splits his time in LA and Scotland

>>90748531
To keep an eye on Millar.

>>90748487
Because his family are still key members within that cult and Scientology is still a dodgy issue.

>>90748216
>Portugal
>left leaning
In somethings like weed and healthcare but that's more out of pragmatism. We fucking hate anyone not Portuguese and especially hate former colonies. Oh and Muslims but they deserve it.

>>90748590
His father even has a Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gaiman

>>90748216
portugal had an elected fascist post-war government iirc

>>90748594
>We fucking hate anyone not Portuguese
Then stop migrating to other countries, you doofuses.

>>90748676
We take eurobucks and no Muslims, it's a pretty sweet deal.

>>90743932
>Mormon
>rocking a full beard and hair down to his collar
uh huh.

>>90743951
Sick burn.

it's true, though. :(

>>90743932
that is interesting given the enormous gender imbalance within Mormon society.

>>90748767
I think you're mixing up denominations, plenty of Mormons have facial hair and it's not within doctrine to forbid it, just if it's gross and unkempt it might be discouraged because being well kept and clean is part of representing God and the Church. Also some specific churches are a little more anal about stuff like that so it gives the wrong impression.

>>90748817
If you're referring to polygamy that is not official doctrine and only practiced in the nutty sects out in the boonies.

>>90748749
>We take eurobucks
Not too many, of course.

>>90749040
Very fine line of taking as much free shit as possible before this abortion of a project falls apart and Germany autistically lashes out like at Greece.

>>90748590
>Scientology is still a dodgy issue.

as it should be, fucking cult if you ask me.

just watch "going clear"

>>90749237
They're a human trafficking front, of course politicians wouldn't touch them, they're probably customers.

>>90749279
More like a pyramid scheme built on slave labour, really.

>>90749092
>the Portuguese are Mediterranean chavs

>>90749279
Is it possible to redpill Tom Cruise?

>>90748574
They literally don't speak.

>>90743596
Ireland is filled with libs.

>>90749237
That's what happens when you get in the info loop big media actually listens to. The whole world could be telling the elites "these people are scam artists" but if the right people are in, well...

>>90749312
That would be Montenegrians.

>>90743596
oh one of the south american rites huh. sup how's hating everyone going.

>>90749347
Joao pls

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>>90749317
He's in too deep. Last time our Feds tried to convert one of them we ended up with an entire county being wiped off the map and renamed.

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>>90749474
I was happy when I heard Jason Lee left the church.

Good on ya Brodie.

>>90749385
>my roommate is actually named Joao
P-PJ plz, these are artistic drawings...

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>>90743932
Age has ravaged your once youthful face

>>90744111
don't forget using a famous (as much as hockey players can be) hockey player's name as a gangster wannabe without permission and losing millions when he lost the defamation lawsuit

>>90744617
actually most american's aren't like that it's just they tend to stay quiet and mind their own business and you only hear from the relatively small number of incredibly vocal one

>>90750230
>most Americans aren't like that
Who is the current PotUS? Exactly.

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>>90750435
>(you)

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>>90748216
It's like you had no fucking clue of what you're talking about

>>90744111
Not disagreeing, but I feel it's less active hypocrisy (still is hypocrisy but I mean it's not like he was still preaching the opposite of his actions) and more he saw how Marvel scammed him and honestly thought
>That's a good trick
He's itching to put the egg on someone else's face and in comes Gaiman...

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>>90743188
his girlfriend is a prude too who constantly talks about pro women issues and strong womyn artists even though she got where she is now because she let hirsch fuck her

>>90744641
We're actually doing better on that than a lot of western countries. We haven't arrested anyone for Twitter comments yet, so we're still ahead of Canada and the UK.

The big thing we need to work on is privacy laws.

>>90743188
Meanwhile the staff of Steven Universe acts exactly like you'd expect. Except for Sugar herself who I imagine is going to end up like Faust soon enough.

>>90743564
Catholic Catechism is neither Left nor Right wing really. So its hard to really put in one camp or another .
(makes sense seeing as it existed before such distinctions)

>>90748590
Scientology is only a dodgy issue because THEY WILL FUCKING KILL YOU IN YOUR HOME.

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literally everything

>>90750849
Sugar seems like the coolest one of the entire bunch. Even Ian gets a little preachy now and then on social media. I've always felt the best way to handle fan bullshit is to just stay silent about it, not get involved, which is exactly what Sugar does.

Even during the whole "Tumblr tried to kill a girl!" where everyone exaggerated the shit out of the situation, every major young artist tried to insert themselves into it but Sugar stayed out. She's smart enough to know it's not worth getting sucked into e-drama. And she doesn't need the attention, places like CartoonBrew already shit on her image by emphasizing "FEMALE BISEXUAL!" every where they can.

I can totally imagine her finally having a meltdown somewhere in her 40's where she's distant enough from the industry that she will reveal her horrible experiences in dealing with CN management and how they sabotage themselves. I wish I could travel to the future just to see that now.

>>90750936
Really?

His writing is what proves he's a pedophile.
Nobody would have 10-13 year old girls kissing and flirting with 30+ year old men and in uncomfortable sexual situations in general numerous times unless they themselves are a pedophile.

>>90743596
>Latinoamerica
>Conservative
Depends of the country but i won't call Chile or Uruguay conservative

>>90750967
someone with money here needs to make another cartoon channel.

except don't call it a cartoon channel. call it an Arts and Animation channel, with a kids block for really well drawn cartoons like Harvey Beaks. You could even have live action documentary shows ABOUT the animation industry and/or blocks where you just air short films, because you know like 90% of America hasn't seen any of the oscar nominated animated shorts for any year

>>90751095
furthermore you could have blocks with OLD animation, in a historical context. fucking steamboat willy shit, or even silent movies so kids can know where that spongebob joke comes from.

god damn i'm getting hard just thinking about this.

>>90751024
>Chile
The ghost of Pinochet still haunts them, anon.

>>90750849
I'm still amazed at how the SU staff wrote in a conservative character because it's funny and for diversity's sake.

>>90751095
>>90751123

Easier said than done. DisneyXD has some of the best series on right now and they can't compete in the ratings even with the Disney brand. Adult Swim has also given us some of the best animated productions (Superjail, Boondocks, Black Dynamite, Venture Brothers, and now Samurai Jack) and they still lose to fucking Loud House tier shows.

Realistically, if someone wanted to do that, they would have to set up some kind of streaming service that doesn't fall the way of Frederator and doesn't annoy consumers by being just another thing to pay for along with Netflix.

Also honestly, there is not much market in airing old stuff outside of a small group of animation enthusiasts.

>>90751315
Hi Alex

>>90751267
Disney XD is knocking it out of the fucking park lately, no question. But being a premium channel alone puts you at a huge disadvantage.

But see that's the genius part of it. It'd be designed for a niche audience (mostly us) to justify being a premium channel. Disney XD may have the best cartoons, but at the end of the day it's just a cartoon channel. This would be an art channel for art buffs and people who want to get into the art industry, with an emphasis on animation. Basically the same justification History Channel uses to air Ancient Aliens.

>>90751350
>memes memes memes
I'm going to wait the five years until you're old enough to post on this board before I shit on you anymore.

>>90744457
Google Classical Liberalism and Whig ideology. America was founded on liberalism, liberal in the European sense and not the modern American one (which is basically socialist at this point)

>>90750936
He's Claremont tier "put my fetishes in my writing" and NuMarvel tier "hamfist my beliefs into the story". So no.

>>90750435
You realize less than half of America votes right?And that's just registered voters. There's a whole other crop that never even makes themselves eligible.

>>90751416
I think part of the problem is still that you cannot pick what channels you want for cable packages. An art buff would simply buy all the DVDs or what have you of old cartoons they wanted rather than paying monthly payments for a bigger package of extra channels they don't want.

Boomerang is currently doing their own streaming service for a very, very cheap price that is there to mostly appeal to animators and artists:
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/classic/boomerang-launching-5-month-classic-cartoon-streaming-service-149169.html

But even then, there's still a couple of people in the comments bitching about the fee and others saying it's not available outside of America, which is a big problem since a lot of aspiring artists are outside of America dreaming of one day moving to California to work within the industry. Those are kind of the people you wanna inspire the most since, depending on what part of the world they live in, could actually revolutionize the animation industry in their own town.

I feel like if Disney could very effectively start their own YoTtube channel and upload a large bulk of their animation shorts and some documentaries and then have a big package for a $5 fee a month of unlimited access to all this stuff + old cartoons that go all the way up to the 90's. It's difficult to know though, I don't know if anyone has successfully made a streaming channel that can rival Netflix or even a TV station.

>>90751512
Well the basic fact is democracy doesn't actually work. When you give yourself over to mob rule, you end up electing whoever can convince the mob what's right. So you end up with our current situation where people with money hire whatever stooge and their corporate owned media tells you they're right.

>>90751267
Realistically you'd use the old animation as filler programming, much like CN did. Honestly if you had the money it'd probably be a safer bet to start an animation studio in Canada and use the various subsidies and tax writeoffs to lower your overhead while trying to be the next, and better, Illumination.

>>90751448
>Bitching about memes while having a heart attack because he thinks Shillary would've been better in office than Trump
Yeah don't worry, I think you could comfortably ignore all politics for the next four years and keep shitposting on 4chan and literally not notice any difference in your life just like how you and the majority of America was in an 8-year coma for Obama and continued to pat him on the back despite all the wrong he did.

>>90751579
>I feel like if Disney could very effectively start their own YoTtube channel and upload a large bulk of their animation shorts and some documentaries and then have a big package for a $5 fee a month of unlimited access to all this stuff + old cartoons that go all the way up to the 90's. It's difficult to know though, I don't know if anyone has successfully made a streaming channel that can rival Netflix or even a TV station.

Shit I might pay that if it existed. Wouldn't pay for Boomerang though, that channel's kinda bad.

The thing about a cable channel though, it introduces you to new things. That's why I was hesitant to install adblockers on all my shit at first, because sometimes when you have random crap shoved down your throat, you find some of it tastes surprisingly good.

>>90750919
They don't need to rely on physical violence when they have the funds and know how to ruin a person financially and socially.

>>90751585
2edgy4me

>>90752001
Yeah but they do anyway because nobody is willing to touch them.

>>90749312
Portugal isn't near the Mediterranean actually. Technically neither is Montenegro

Tom King was actually in the CIA, which may have had some sort of effect on him.

>>90752309
That's clear in his writing.
Half of the posts in this thread are about writers who inject their shit into their writing, how bad is people's reading comprehension?

>>90744127
what the fuck are you talking about, Superman killed Zod and he definitely wasn't Darkseid tier evil. Hell, superman killed many evil cosmic entities that werent Darkseid tier, hell he kills Parademons and sentient machines all the time. He killed a kryptonian dragon once, and even his friend Heather. Fucking casual.

>>90744280
he never said he hates capes, dont be an idiot, and that picture isnt in his house you tard

>>90751670
I think what the repubs are doing to the health thing seems retarded but overall I agree with you.
I'm someone who supports single payer by the way. I'm pretty left.
Really it seems like states that are upset about the decision are gonna go single payer (already a bill with a lot of support in NY), so this shit may end up a blessing in disguise.

>>90752478
Parademons don't count

>>90752496
He called them "a cultural catastrophe" fuck off.

>>90744280
He hates the Big 2 and what they've done to comics, not the concept of superheroes

>>90752618
He has himself to thank for pushing the genre in that direction. He really is such a gigantic faggot.
You just need to look at how he treats his relationship with Morrison (claiming Morrison was brought to Moore to be his protogee while Morrison was published before Moore ever was, and a bunch of other slanderous shit) to see the lying cretin he is. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

>>90743188
well, he lives in California. not sure how you couldn't see that coming.

>>90752617
no he didnt you fucking tard, he called the current trend of superhero movies and their approach to superheroes that

>>90752586
why not? They are sentient, living beings. There was even a Parademon on the Secret Six. Also I listed a whole bunch of other things he kills that arent parademons.

>>90752709
no, he has the cavalcade of hack imitators that tried to ape him and Frank Miller and did so quite poorly

>>90752739
>sentient
they're not
>living
questionable

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>>90752753
they definitely are sentient, read Secret Six. pic related you fucking pleb

>>90752753
>>90752791
you got BTFO hard you casual shistain

>>90752712
So does Butch Hartman. He's a righter.

>>90752724
I read the article you faggot
>>"They [superheroes] don't mean what they used to mean. They were originally in the hands of writers who would actively expand the imagination of their nine-to-13-year-old audience. That was completely what they were meant to do and they were doing it excellently.

>>These days, superhero comics think the audience is certainly not nine to 13, it's nothing to do with them. It's an audience largely of 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men, usually men. Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal.

>>This is a significant rump of the superhero-addicted, mainstream-addicted audience. I don't think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it's a rather alarming sign if we've got audiences of adults going to see the Avengers movie and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the 1950s."

This describes his own fucking superhero comics exactly. Oh and by the way this rant starts with
>"I hate superheroes. I think they're abominations."

Kill yourself Moorefag. Apologism for his behavior is abhorent. He's a salty little cunt who has lived a great life because of DC comics and lashes out in futile rage because he's not the star of the show anymore. He's a sad little faggot. Mind you, I love his work, still do, but his opinions are worth less than a pile of human feces.

>>90752927
Yeah exactly, he hates what they have become under current writers, not superheroes in general you ass faggot

>>90743665
The poor Irish areas of Scotland are predominately Catholic.

>>90752753
Miller's Daredevil came out years before Moore's Swamp Thing. You know absolutely nothing and have been buying Moore's horseshit and drinking it down with a smile by the gallon.
Also their styles aren't even that similar besides "gritty". Moore uses purple prose (I say that affectionately, I like most of it) narration and elegant cerebral dialogue. Miller uses staccato thoughts and sentence fragments for internal monologue/narration and snappy, quippy dialogue. Miller also uses the art to get across themes where Moore tends to use dialogue and narration to do so.
Fuck off you little casual.

>>90752993
That's northern Ireland, ulster. Endinburgh has some parts that are Irish. But not that many. Other than that there are some in London.

>>90752964
No mongo, he says he hates that comics now are written for a mature audience when he is essentially the ambassador for the Mature readers imprint at DC. How can he claim that capes are shit because they're not for kids after writing Miracleman?

>>90748480
Technically we are left leaning, but the left is divided, so the right is now as 1st party and in the government.

That party was founded by a minister of the dictatorship, but far right or more conservative sectors (namely the catholic church and catholic people) say that they are becoming a bunch of centrists.

Take into account that the spanish church is way more conservative as a whole than almost every catholic out there, to the point that they are outraged with the Pope's speech about homosexuals and similar stuff

>>90751585

If America was governed by "mob rule", Hillary Clinton would be POTUS.

>>90750873
Catholic Catechism is, if anything, Socialist.
Help others, share your possessions, don't live only to make money, etc.

>>90753240
Exactly.

>>90751248
And yet it stirred up a flurry of people screaming "Trump!". Honestly, have so many forgotten the Archie Bunker archetype?

>>90752709
>He has himself to thank for
Not this hogwash again.
Has your life really been so bankrupt of responsibility you're fine with blaming the incompetence of an entire industry on a fucking old man barely involved in it anymore just because you take issue with his comments and complaints?
>You just need to look at how he treats his relationship with Morrison
Oh here we fucking go.

>>90753327
You really think any of SU's audience has watched All in the Family? Most of them haven't watched a sitcom that's earlier than the 90's. I don't even think most people realize Cartman was inspired by Archie Bunker. They really should watch it because it's one of the best sitcoms that is still crazily relevant today. His daughter and son-in-law are obsessive liberals talking about women's rights, diversity, and how their eyes were opened after taking a college class it's kind of shocking how little times have actually changed in the past 40+ years.

>>90753422
It's definitely extreme and hyperbolic for me to blame Moore, but really the way he absolves himself from the whole thing enrages me. Read this quote >>90752927 and tell me how that doesn't directly apply to his most famous and popular Superhero comics.
>here we fucking go
Down the path that ends with Moore BTFO by hard facts and publication dates? I'm just saying that feud is a great example of how completely full of shit, and frankly deluded Moore is.

>>90747824
I think he has a soft spot for Spidey because he's just such a colossal fuck up. I was surprised at how he genuinely did write a great Peter Parker.

>>90753139
Moore wrote a fucking parody comic of Miller's Daredevil run in Marvel UK strips; an affectionate one too at that.

>>90753711
Ennis is probably the best character writer the big 2 has ever had. Him nailing characters is unsurprising to me, what surprises me is when he can keep his more edgy and childish impulses down and write good stories with Superhero characters.
Huge Ennisfag here btw.

>>90753155
>Glasgow
>not predominately Irish Catholic

>>90753743
So what? how does that disprove anything in my original post? Parodies have to come out after the thing they parody does... Miller was a writer of prominence before Moore ever was, Miller never aped Moore's style, because his own style was well established before Moore ever even wrote there. Even Miracleman is Miller Daredevil's contemporary, not a precursor. Moore was a few years behind Miller breaking into the industry, simple as that.

>>90753757
>"Ennis is probably the best character writer the big 2 has ever had."
>Has Spider-Man go up against Punisher
>Spider-sense suddenly can't detect a room full of mines

>>90753829
>I don't know what character writing is

>>90753817
No no, I was trying to back up your post. Not the faggot you first replied to, sorry.

>>90753902
Oh cool, I see. Sorry I just was expecting further mental gymnastics from him. Seems he's ran away with his tail between his legs.

>>90753469
I don't say this lightly; All in the Family was one of the most culturally significant American tv shows. Smartly written groundbreaking, politically relevant (both then and now), and perhaps most important for these younger generation, it pointed out some of the flaws in the ideologies and personal perceptions of the characters without painting anyone as an outright villain. It pains me that there's so little media like this these days, though perhaps it was always something exceptional.

>>90752709
>You just need to look at how he treats his relationship with Morrison (claiming Morrison was brought to Moore to be his protogee while Morrison was published before Moore ever was, and a bunch of other slanderous shit) to see the lying cretin he is.
Morrison was published first, but Moore was successful and a Big Name first. That's why Morrison tried to ride Moore's coattails during Morrison's "enfant terrible" phase, when Morrison tried to get people to pay attention to him by attacking Moore and other creators.

Meanwhile Morrison is a liar too. Morrison criticizes Moore for having comics with rape in them, but then Morrison lies and claims that Morrison wrote comics for 30 years without ANY rape. Or hey, remember when Morrison ripped off Jerry Cornelius as Gideon Stargrave in the 70s, but Morrison denied the connection for 20 years and didn't admit his deception until the 90s? And of course Morrison never apologized to Moorcock over his lies. Nothing Morrison says should be taken seriously.

>>90753212
what the fuck is wrong with you, is reading comprehension this hard for you? He also wrote Supreme, Top Ten and a bunch of other love letters to old comics. He just thinks the few things he did that were gritty have now taken over comics you idiot.

>>90754067
Not denying any of that, both of them are liars, but when it comes to the Moore/Morrison feud and the shit that is actually relevant to Moore himself, Moore is full of shit. Which is probably why he drags his buddy Moorcock into it, to give himself some legitimate ammo.

>>90753901
>writerfag's writer gets criticized
>"you don't know X"
enlighten a nigga, then, anon

>>90749237
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>>90754194
Top Ten's main plots are a kiddie porn ring, a prostitute slaughtering serial killer, and a drug that causes supers to burn out and die, that also is an internal affairs scandal. It's as gritty, modernized, and "adult" as anything he's complaining about. I've never read Supreme, but I'm willing to bet it includes similar shit. Fuck off.

>>90753997
I've always found that if people want to learn about how a society was in a certain era to look at the type of humor was being made at the time. It ends up being the most honest as well as tell you what people during that era found controversial and found relief in poking fun at it.

Like, people have this warped viewed that women in the 50's were being stepped on and that wife beaters were as common as mailmen. Yet, if you ever watch I Love Lucy, you'll see a shit ton of jokes where Lucy and Ethel talk about being modern women who have their rights and Lucy often standing up to Ricky saying this isn't a one-sided relationship. Hell, there was an entire episode where Ricky threw something at Lucy and gave her a black eye and Ethel + Fred thought Ricky was beating her and called him a disgusting pig and tried to catch him in the act so they could have him arrested. Clearly it was an issue since they were making it a comedic episode, but it also was not viewed as acceptable as people liked to believe.

A lot of kids these days think "human rights" is a concept America only started pushing when Obama got elected.

>>90754224
Morrison is the bigger slanderous liar when it comes to their relationship.

Remember when Morrison claimed that Moore sent him a threatening letter? Where is that letter? Why can't we see it?

Why has nobody else ever reported receiving a threatening letter from Moore? If that's how Moore behaves, then it should have happened to other people too.

>>90753212
Miracleman and Watchmen are actually ENTIRELY ABOUT HOW SUPERHEROES DO NOT WORK IN REALISTIC SETTINGS. In Miracleman, all the troubles of the world are solved, because superheroes. In Watchmen, every single vigilante is fucking insane in one way or another, and the actual superhero gets tired of the bullshit and peaces away.

>>90754262
>>90753829
Character writing is literally exactly what it sounds like, it's writing for character, not plot, fights, etc. It mostly includes stuff out of costume for Superheroes, shit with their families and supporting characters that defines how they speak, typically behave, and handle their double life. With a character like Spider-Man it also includes his quipping and shenanigans in costume, as well as his serious heroism and no kill shit. Ennis nailed that.
Him conveniently forgetting powers to make Punisher look badass is exactly what I was saying when I was talking about his edgy nature.

>>90753469
>>90753997
The thing about All in the Family is that it wasn't supposed to be about Archie Bunker or show him in a positive light. It was supposed to be about Gloria and Michael. Carroll O'Connor is mostly responsible for turning Archie Bunker into what we got.

>>90754452
I think bissette mentioned something like that too. Moore cut him out of his life and threatened him and Bissette doesn't even know the reason. Let me see if I can dig up the interview.

>>90754497
The thing that gets me about this, is if you've actually watched the show enough, Archie gets shown he's wrong, just as many times as he is shown to be right, if not more.

>>90754496
Ennis tends to forget about superpowers purely because he hates them and hates writing about them. By his own admission half the time he forgot Tommy had superpowers and just wrote him as Trenchcoat Wearing Gun Man. You know how many times Jesse could resolve problems in Preacher just by abusing the Word but didn't? Same thing, except with Preacher at least he kept coming up with actual reasons not to (God can make some people immune to it, Jesse's scared of the consequences, it doesn't work on people who don't speak English etc.) He avoided the same pitfall in Wormwood by only letting the Anti-Christ use it once a day.

>>90754488
And there are other modern cape comics written like that with a more serious edge, Like Hitman or Invincible (it started out that way at least).

>>90754751
Tommy's powers were also limited, X-Ray vision is almost useless, and his Telepathy gave him splitting headaches and nosebleeds any time he used it. And Tommy is so much more than trenchcoat gun man. He's a subversion and elevation of the trope.

>>90754708
Archie was originally supposed to the villain, in as much as a domestic sitcom can have a villain, to the point where Norman Lear was genuinely shocked that people liked Archie.

>>90749022
I am talking about the large gender imbalance of women to men for Mormons that result in difficulties particular for women.

http://universe.byu.edu/2015/10/20/ratio-imbalance-more-mormon-women-than-men1/

http://time.com/dateonomics/

>>90755103
Yeah, Archie was fucking hilarious, win or lose, he just kept sitting in that chair and grumbling away. I'm not surprised that people liked him, but I am surprised that his Creator was surprised, didn't know that.

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>>90753557
I don't dislike him personally or his work but I'll give you this, Moore can definitely get his head up his ass through sheer volition.
No real explanation, the whim just takes him.

One matter in that post>>90752927 that's vexed me is his stance on the term Graphic Novel. Admittedly it has been misused, but he and his ilk have gone to lengths to discredit the term entirely just to shame comic readers.

I suspect it stems from Watchmen being labelled as such and for whatever reason that became one of those things that tangles his beard.

The thing is JIM STERANKO was working on what was termed a graphic novel back in '76, a good decade before Watchmen even existed, with Chandler: Red Tide. So they're an actual thing, with actual definition regardless of any confusion or marketing antics.
It wasn't something just made up to sell superhero shit.

I'm no historian on every hallmark in comics even, the first time the argument on what a GN is came up however many years ago on /co/ it took me all of 5 minutes to google and learn what's what.
Yet somehow Moore with all his years in the industry fucked up that much, that long. He could and should have just kept his shit to himself.

And it's the years spent on this are what brings my piss to a boil so much I can go on at length while the teabag brews, because ever since that first argument until today every few months I still find someone like Moore regurgitating their misunderstanding on the term as though it's a valid mockery. As in, they don't know what GN means but anyone who uses it is a tryhard.
What.

Fuck me, I can't stand that thinking.
After hearing Steranko slapped Bob Kane like the bitch he was I have no idea why he never gave Moore a buzz to sort him out. He'd be well within his rights and end the matter. Instead the next time a popular trade hits shelves or gets a movie, riles another crusade against capeshit, and we're right back to square one.

>>90754708
I get a perfect 50/50 out of Archie. There's some wisdom in there as well.

>>90755786
Yep, Archie was funny and wise and set in his ways, but if he understood that he was wrong in doing something, he did his best to change, or at least meet somebody half-way, I think thats why people liked him so much.

>>90752791
>>90752828
Secret Six Parademon is one of the few exceptions, but most Parademons are mindless

>>90753139
nigga I was talking about all the people aping TDKR and Watchmen that led to the Dark Age. Just because they're completely different creatively doesn't mean people can't try to imitate both of them, damn

>>90754497
The writers are also to be given credit for this.

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Voice actor and new The Tick actor John Serafinowicz is absolutely obsessed with Dark Souls.

>>90753254
It predates socialism. That is the only reason why some Catholics hate being compared.

>>90756171
I haven't been paying any attention to this, even though I really should have. Peter Serafinowicz is the new Tick? Holy shit.

>>90756171
1. Is this any good?
2. Any midnight bomber (what bombs at midnight)?

>>90756014
Shit dude, I thought you meant Miller aped Moore poorly my bad

>>90752739
Wasn't that just a stuffed Parademon torso that Rag-doll made holes in to fuck?

>>90756485
Heh, I misnamed the poor guy.
>>90756654
There's only a pilot so far, which I myself have considered quite good.

>>90743763
>>90743483
Ironically, he's much less of a shithead when he's focusing on comedy. People forgot what a cunt the guy was back during Standoff.

>>90747824
>>90753711
THIS I was surprised by. I mean, I know he likes Supes, but as far as I know he never wrote a Superman book, his Ennis-edge books, where Superman appears in. A book where he actually writes Spider-Man as the main character? Ignoring the villain, it's not nearly as edgy as you'd guess from some of his more famous works.

I didn't know that Geoff Johns had a thing about cereal.

>>90751469
What did Claremont write before teaming up with Byrne? I have a theory that one got the other to release the fetishes.

>>90755634
You...I like you.

>>90752410
I think he may be someone who follows him on Twitter, where half of his posts are just pictures of toys.

>>90748487

>gaiman doesn't like talking about it
>talking shit on it would make his family cut ties
>could endanger their lives

He's not a great writer but this is a smart move.

>>90757475
Byrne was on one of his earliest comics.

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>I couldn't BELIEVE that this guy who made a cartoon I like has different political views than I do! Isn't that crazy?

This thread sucks.

>>90743932
The absolute mad man

>>90757077
Rag-Doll and Parademon were in love, then when the latter was killed Rag-Doll had him stuffed.

>>90758174
I must have totally missed the issues where he was still alive. Was it in Villains United? Either way, another excuse to reread Secret Six

>>90754532
He didn't send him a letter. Bissette trashed Moore in some comic journal interview and then called up Moore about something. Moore then told him never to call him again and hung up the phone. There were no threats.

>>90758255
Yea it's villains united

>>90758263
>Bissette trashed Moore
Moorefag detected

>>90758315
Okay, I missed that when I read S6, so all I got was Rag-Doll fucking a stuffed parademon, and was very confused

>>90743100
Frank Miller voted for Hillary Clinton

>>90754224
How is Moore full of shit about Morrison? Everything he's ever said about him was proven to be correct. A lot of it was confirmed by Morrison himself in his response to Moore's Padraig interview.

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>>90755946
No. There is also one in PAD's Aquaman that shows they aren't really. They are just conditioned and trained to follow orders and some can break the conditioning.

>>90758398

>oh fuck somebody disagrees with me
>i'll bust out the memes, that'll show em

>>90758383
this is not surprising if you've actually read his work rather than buying into the memes

>>90758383
That isnt surprising at all, Frank has ALWAYS been a leftie.

>>90758408
>he said there are a few exceptions
>clearly he doesn't know about this other exception

>>90758383
Maybe actually read some comics next time kiddo

>>90758477
>>90755946
So Nazi soldiers in films are mindless except for a few exceptions because we usually just see them screaming bloody murder and trying to kill the protagonists? Fucking retard.

>>90751166
Which is why Chile is mainly centre in the political spectrum, they've had 1 right-wing government in the past 25 years and it was just as centrist as the past left-wing government, mainly because the right needs to cozy up to the people before enacting actual right-wing policies and thats going to take at least 8 consecutive years. Most Chileans hate commies and hate the far-right, so both are absolutely weak and that is why they vote for a certain kind of left thats closer to the center.

>>90758388
Or maybe you missed the part where Moore claimed that Morrison was an aspiring writer when they first met, when in reality Morrison had been published before Moore ever had been

>>90743188
More like I never expected Alex Hirsch to be such a fucking hack after Not What He Seems.

>>90758646
And? He was a nobody with no success and told Moore he admired him and wanted to be a writer like him.

>>90758646
Morrison was not a successful writer. Moore was. Morrison was published first, but Moore found fame and fortune first.

>>90743408
I've very much learned at this point to just not read the social media accounts of anybody who makes anything I like in any field. Seeing Mike Duncan constantly sperging out like a doofus regarding Trump on twitter was shit but at least his politics never bled over into History of Rome and hasn't really bled into Revolutions.

Larry Hama being a liberal Obama supporter surprised me. It's sort of a stereotype to assume that military guys would be right leaning I guess. I never really thought about his political leanings one way or the other but it still surprised me a bit. I heard about it when he wrote some satirical comic called Barack the Barbarian and he did an interview where he said he told the company he's pro-Obama so he'd only do it if he could do it with that slant.

>>90754067
They're both great writers, Moore is a catankerous egomaniac with a chip on his shoulder though. He knocks everyone else in superhero comics, granted there is a lot of shit out there but it seems petty.

>>90758388
Morrison really came off like a spineless faggot in that response. It's so long winded and full of excuses.

>Moore said I trashed him for years? Bullshit. Okay maybe I did but it was only to gain publicity for myself and I didn't mean anything by it. He should have known that and I've tried to make up with him numerous times.

>Moore said Vertigo was an attempt at making an Alan Moore farm and I was clone of him? How disrespectful. Though I did write for Vertigo and did emulate his writing style. But only because he was popular at the time and wanted to show off my versatility as a writer. Complete coincidence, you see.

>>90743100
Didn't Nemesis have some sort of pro-life thing in it? Like the bad guy had an incest baby put in the hero's daughter's womb or something, and she had the baby and they raised it because the hero was a Catholic. I might be misremembering but it was something like that. Combining his Catholicism with his edginess..

Any way being Catholic doesn't say a lot about your behavior. Like Gavin Mcinnes, he's Catholic and observes Lent, and he put a buttplug up his ass live on the air, has a porn star pop her tits out live on the air, does cocaine and pot and abuses adderall and whiskey, etc. For many people Catholicism is more of a social club and a team.

>>90759057
I can understand someone walking with people who are seen as degenerate, vile, whorish, or unclean because you want to help them. That's a big thing among a lot of Catholics I know. They'll tutor kids for free in Chicago or Detroit. Get addicted to crap trying to help someone get off.

Self-indulgent behavior is honestly disgusting to me after a certain point. It destroys any attempt at self-improvement. I can see having fun, but shit like hiring a hooker for you and your wife to fuck is just fucking wierd outside of the abstract thinking it's hot, actually doing it is fucked up.

>>90758920
Oh fuck off if you defend Moore's Vertigo claim or that Morrison's Vertigo works are Moore lite.
What disrespect to writers like Ennis, Milligan, Delano and Gaiman. Moore doesn't own "Grittier story with intense monologues and outlandish concepts" Frankly Moore's style is fairly generic to 80s comics, and if /anyone/ is "Moore lite" then Moore is O'Neil or Dave Sim lite.

>>90759057
The baby was an incest baby and the politician whose daughter was having the baby was an anti abortion guy. It read like "see how stupid banning abortion is, what if it's a rape or incest baby?"
Though I know catholics who think rape babies are fair game

>>90760085
I know Catholics who are fine with abortion being what it is a personal choice for a woman to make, some kind of point, you have?

>>90759315
>caring what other people get off to
Yikes

>>90760123
>I know Catholics who are fine with abortion being what it is a personal choice for a woman to make
This is complete bull though.

>>90760123
This thread has no point to you if you think "WOW YOU SHOULD NEVER MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS OUTLIERS ALWAYS EXIST"

>>90759998
>Morrison's Vertigo works are Moore lite
Except Morrison himself already admitted you illiterate faggot.

>What disrespect
Who cares? It's true. The whole point of Vertigo was to try and groom another Alan Moore. Sorry the truth gets you so asshurt.

>>90760185
>it's true
Top moorefag

>>90760135
Nope, my family, literally, is cool with it, perfectly possible for them to disagree with the church these days, it's not the middle ages anymore.
>>90760147
I haven't commented in this thread before that, I wanted to know his or possibly your point because not all catholics agree with the church and I'd bet most of them do believe rape and incest babies, and medical emergencies are okay, or at least not mortal sins, when it come to abortion.

>>90760217
>no argument
Top Moorehater

>>90744127

My sister's boyfriend is also from Belfast, and both his parents only got out of prison because of the Good Friday treaty. He went to his first black-block protest (riot?) at age eleven.

He loves capes, especially Batman and Green Arrow. So you're argument doesn't hold that people from Northern Ireland don't like capes because of the shit that happens in Northern Ireland.

>>90758343
>Moorefag
He did trash him. He was supposed to draw the 1963 conclusion but it never came out (because the Image creators couldn't agree on anything and Moore eventually just gave up on it) and Bissette was salty about it (because he needed the money) and said Moore was erratic or something.

>>90760238
There's literally no argument to a wild claim without evidence. No quote from DC, an abject denial that writers of completely different styles flourished there. Just Moore's own braggadocious bullshit. Once again, if you think they were grooming anyone to be Moore, then you should think they were grooming him to be O'Neil. Which means you think that they were grooming O'Neil to be someone, back all the way to the start of for profit writing.
>We want writers to be successful and make us money
Is not the same thing as
>we want our writers to be the exact same writer as the one who made us lots of money

>>90744337

I'm from a Catholic family. No one in my family under the age of seventy has a problem with abortions.

Just because you're Catholic doesn't mean you agree with the Church about everything.

>>90760185
>Morrison had already finished his Animal Man and Doom Patrol runs when they got switched over to Vertigo, and he wouldn't do Invisibles for a full year after Vertigo's creation
>Milligan was deep into Shade
>as was Gaiman into Sandman
>Delano had already finished on Hellblazer, with Ennis already 20 issues in
>this somehow made Vertigo a Moore farm

>>90748109
>And speaking as a Cathloic no one gets more pissy at Mother Church fucking up than us, believe me.
Are you an Irish Catholic too by chance?

>>90760331
>Morrison had already finished his Animal Man and Doom Patrol runs when they got switched over to Vertigo, and he wouldn't do Invisibles for a full year after Vertigo's creation
Except Morrison admitted he tried to rip off Alan Moore's style. Try to keep up.

>>90760387
well he didn't do a very good job since it's not very evident in his actual writing then

>>90760387
So that means all other vertigo writers ever did too, and all of Morrison's Vertigo stuff is right? :^)

You're as up your own ass as your bearded idol

>>90760421
>So that means all other vertigo writers ever did too
No but it doesn't mean none of them ever did either does it? And Morrison was specifically talking about his early stuff like Animal Man and Arkham Asylum but who knows with him. He's been accused of plagiarism many times.

>>90760451
Literally twice. Once in Moore's deluded ramblings (where he never points out a single specific) and once by Moorcock, who also couldn't point out a specific.

>>90752410
>how bad is people's reading comprehension?

Son, have you been on /co/ for very long? Because believe me people's reading comprehension (especially when it comes to Batman, which is being written by Tom King) is fucking terrible.

There are still people who regular talk about how Bane killed Dick, Damian, and Jason, and Catwoman murdered 200+ people.

>>90760324
You know you're an outlier right?

>>90751248
I'll admit: as hard as the show sucks now, I'm legitimately impressed that they took the high road and made Andy a sympathetic and likable conservative when they easily could have strawmanned the fuck out of him and made him into the next Marty or Kevin. As far as the human cast goes, Andy's pretty cool.

He also gets bonus points for making the tumblr community lose their collective shit.

>>90760481
>Moorcock, who also couldn't point out a specific.
Gideon Stargrave is Jerry Cornelius.

In the 70s, Morrison denied this.

In the 80s, Morrison denied this.

In the 90s, Morrison admitted this, and admitted that he was lying in the 70s and 80s.

Fuck Morrison.

>>90760324
>>90760533
Oh and also you know you're a heretic right? The pope is god's word on earth, and defying that is a grave sin.
I went to Catholic school, I know all this shit ice cold.

>>90760579
Agreed, Morrison was a faggot about that, but Moorcock couldn't point out any sort of actual plagiarism, just that Morrison had a character heavily inspired by his work. Squadron Supreme isn't Plagiarism, and neither is Stargrave.

>>90760579
>>90760603
Oh and Moorcock claims that every single work Morrison ever wrote was plagiarized from him, proving that he never even read or was aware of it until Moore brought him into the whole shitshow.

>>90760603
>Squadron Supreme isn't Plagiarism
Because Squadron Supreme doesn't attempt to deceive anyone. Squadron Supreme proudly proclaims that it was inspired by the Justice League.

Morrison attempted to deceive us. That's what makes it plagiarism.
>pla·gia·rism
>ˈplājəˌrizəm/
>noun
>the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

>>90758383

I fucking hate when people are surprised Miller is a leftie.

Like, he basically writes Batman as Anarchy given human form in The Dark Knight Returns and doubles down on it in Dark Knight Strikes Again.

His Martha Washington series has a fucking black female lead fighting against a corrupt United States.

Sure, he said some fucked up shit about Islam, and he said some pretty harsh things about Occupy Wallstreet, but it's really fucking obviously he's a massive leftie.

>>90743216
conservatard is a shitty spin on libtard, right? work on it, it doesn't roll in the tongue at all and your pettiness is at full display.

>>90748487
You'd be afraid to, if you knew what they do to deserters. Gaiman is lucky he's high profile.

>>90743188
>I honestly would not have guessed Alex Hirsch was such a stick in the mud about Trumps and in your face with pro-liberal agenda.
>I imagine a guy like that would be laughing his ass off during election day, not telling the brave people of California to stay strong under the rule of the new Fuhrer.

Because conservatives are known for being such laid back and fun loving people..

>>90760811
Mike Judge and Butch Hartman are pretty laid back dudes. Both conservative.

>>90760584

And you know the current Pope has said that atheists can go to heaven and shit. Which is contrary to what the Church has been saying for thousands of fucking years.

Just cause some dumbass nun told you to behave or the devil will sodomise you with a pitchfork does not mean one is to exclude the use of their minds when understanding god.

Read Thomas Aquinas sometime and get back to me.

>>90760760
honestly it's better than cuckservative that the far right seems to be favoring

>>90760760

I personally prefer cuckservative because I love how triggered (or aroused?) conservatives get by the term "cuck".

>>90760743
I think the thing is that Batman creates anarchy but he's a Nietzschean Ubermensch type character and plays into myths of "great men" that conservatives love

>>90760703
You know someone's losing the argument when they resort using dictionary definitions.

>>90760915
>Nietzschean Ubermensch type character and plays into myths of "great men" that conservatives love

Oh, I dig that conservatives LOVE that type of narrative, but it does ignore the fact that Batman literally rides over the establishment which conservatives cling to.

Batman saves Gotham from further destruction while the rest of America falls apart, then beats up America's most powerful weapon. All the while ignoring American law, and Ronald fucking REAGAN, the conservative hero is an enemy of Batman.

Sure, if you only look at the fact the Batman is an ubermensch, then yes he could be viewed as a conservative hero, but that's like saying Hitler was really humane because he supported vegetarianism and tried to make others vegetarians.

Morbo bogarts all the giraffes and gives us only the sloppy seconds in form of lesbians.

>>90760703
How does that definition not apply to Squadron?
>YEA I TOTALLY JUST TOOK THE JUSTICE LEAGUE BUT IT'S MINE NOW
I don't see the word deceive, trick, deny in the definition. Nowhere does admitting that it has an inspiration absolve something from being passed off as ones own. It's an equal intellectual theft, admission of guilt has absolutely nothing do with it.
See the thing you're not getting here is that in fiction, Plagiarism barely exists, it's a term much more reserved for journalism/criticism/science.
If Moorcock thought he had a case he would have sued Morrison's multi million dollar pants off.

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>>90744046
>a centrist talking about idpol
okay anon

>>90758263
>He didn't send him a letter. Bissette trashed Moore in some comic journal interview and then called up Moore about something. Moore then told him never to call him again and hung up the phone. There were no threats.

No it was like this:

Bissette does the interview
Then he sends off a copy of it to everyone he talked about in the interview to see if there were any corrections needed.
Moore read it, was upset at something Bissette said (there's a few instances I could imagine Moore getting upset at through that interview, whether justified or unjustified), talks about it to Neil Gaiman
Gaiman talks to Bissette who tells him that Moore is upset.
Bissette calls Moore, Moore says don't talk to him again, and that was that. Other than the whole thing about the 1963 reprints of course.

>>90761791
The important thing is that, although Moore holds petty grudges over minor slights, Moore doesn't threaten people. That's not his style.

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>>90743188
>tfw I live in Commiefonia and voted for Trump

>>90762053
I've heard northern Californyanya is mostly republican while something like San Francisco was like 90% Hillary.

>>90760851
Thank you for listing 2 people. That completely validates the implication that conservatives in general are laid back and fun loving people.

>>90744762
Alleged pedophile. Last I checked, he was pleading innocent.

>>90761791
Moore doesn't really seem like the guy who doesn't give a shit about courtesy. I think getting trashed like that just makes it too personal or maybe he just considered it twofaced. But there was never a threat.

>>90762053
>he's slashing the epa and replacing obamacare with something worse.
How good for you.

>>90762120
Socal is most republican

>>90762270
Go to the gym boogie you walking flesh planet
also
>my health care wasn't shit before Trumpcare
>it takes a week to replace a 2 term presidents bill in a week

>>90762165
>Alleged pedophile. Last I checked, he was pleading innocent.


That is what they always say. I-accidentally- propositioned-an-underage-child-for-sex or all-that-child-porn-could-not-have-been-possibly-downloaded-by-me-onto-my computer.

>>90760324
>Just because you're Catholic doesn't mean you agree with the Church about everything.

2000 years of church doctrine stands against abortions mate.

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>>90762270
>obamacare
>something worse

>>90762580
Friendly reminder we're living in a time where the question: "Is the Pope Catholic?" is a legitimate one.

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>>90743100
I guess I can't say that I'm surprised given the content of his work, but John R Dilworth is one of the greatest people walking the earth right now
I have followed him on Facebook for a while now and he's basically an older Thurop Van Orman
He ALWAYS leaves comments and likes on fanart, he is very receptive to fan posts, and releases a lot of content for fans like episode commentary, some awesome and sometimes lewd, pic related character sheets, and everything related to his personal projects.
if you've seen Spaceman Dilly in Courage the Cowardly Dog, that is literally John R Dilworth
he's just such a nice and hilarious guy, it's refreshing to see someone who's so genuine

>>90762563
As far as I know, most pedos plead guilty to get a plea bargain for protection inside prison. That way they don't get their shit kicked in by pedo haters.

>>90753229
Don't they hate Vatican II though?

So which is it, Vatican I and they're heretics for disagreeing with the Pope or Vatican II and all those wishy washy things they hate are valid and they're allowed to spit on the Pope?

>>90762130
Well I'm glad you agree.

>>90760085
>Though I know catholics who think rape babies are fair game
The best comment on the 'I make an exception for abortion in the case of rape' position I've heard is by Doug Stanhope who said it's like saying murder is okay if the kid's dad is an asshole. Really there's no consistent way you can say abortion is wrong because it's murder AND make an exception for rape.

>>90760263
Mate, where did I mention anyone other than Ennis holding the aforementioned views on capes?

>>90754751
I want to know how he wrote Thor and Doctor Strange because these guys don't seem like the kind he would usually write.

>>90755634
It's also really fucking dumb to put something like Maus in the same category as Little Nemo because aside from some shared artistic roots they have nothing in common. Graphic novels are their own thing and just fucking fine.

Moore is right about calling trade paperbacks of capes graphic novels though, it's bullshit.

>>90754378
I mean, there's that. But my grandma was a single mom in the 40s and 50s because she threw out my grandad. He deserved it tbf, man could not stop putting his dick in anything that moved.

She did not have a good experience with that. Although she was a second wave feminist and would clobber modern feminists. Told me once never to let anyone blame me for shit because I would be a man when I grew up. I miss her.

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>>90762053
>live in rural leafland town, a mixed bag politically
>have cousin from conservative family
>she visits annually from cali, dyed blond hair, little dog, brand clothing, pretty much 100% californified, goes on about how good common core is
>mfw during christmas visit she told me she voted Trump and gave me a MAGA hat

>>90753283
So we'd have a corrupt but experienced leader with knowledge of how the government works?

Sign me up.

>>90763763
Isn't that every leader of every nation around the world?

>>90763797
Except the USA apparently.

>>90743640

>Latin American

We are in fact! Is called "nigger chatolicism" in here, a unholly mix between african traditions and the pope, you just pray a little and don't give a fuck about nothing

Now, our new evangelic ware, this are the fuckers scaring everyone here

>>90744333
Watch Futureshock: The Story of 2000AD. Many of the writers who were poached from 2000AD to DC, all talk, not only of admiration for American superheroes, but their belief that American writers had given up on them.

>>90763809
And a handful of third world countries but who cares about them?

>>90744036
I don't know about that, but now I think about it all the most serious libertarians I know (as in those that actually do the reading and came to a conclusion that way as opposed to 'weed lmao') are strong Catholics.

>>90750780
Did she seriously call the 9 Old Men repressive?

Fuck that retarded cunt.

>>90760263
Well your friend clearly has a different view on the troubles and the vigilantes therein than Ennis does.

>>90761010
There's a huge strain of anti-establishment right wingers. This really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, considering they're currently in control of the White House. A lot of the nuttier right wing fiction out there is all about making your own laws and fighting the corrupt government with extreme prejudice, and Miller's Batman fits that genre to a T.

>>90748487
His Dad was head of the UK wing, wasn't he?

>>90753254
One Nation Conservatism, if anything.

>>90761010
This whole thread is proof that teenage libtard atheists know nothing about conservativism or christians.

>>90758646
If any of you idiots bother to learn your history, you'd know Moore and Morrison started out their careers before DC and Marvel. Moore first, writing for Marvel UK, 2000AD and Doctor Who Magazine. Morrison had a similar career path.

>>90743596
There are vast differences between the CC countries, with the former Russian colonies and the various sects within the church being the most conservative of the lot.

Dixon and Card are homophobes.

But why don't we just call them comics after all Japan just says manga?

>>90748480
>That's not what my Spanish friends tell me.
>>90753229
>Technically we are left leaning, but the left is divided, so the right is now as 1st party and in the government.

This. Country is full of loony left special snowflakes who think anyone to the right of them is a goose stepping fascist, fact is the left wing parties have an overwhelming majority but being center left is obviously worse than Hitler so let's just reee and let the right wing carry the government for the last decade even though they're so hilariously corrupt and unpopular they literally have difficulty filling seats in government because their people keep getting put in prison

If you're American and discuss politics frankly with your friends they will arrive at the conclusion that you're a card carrying Fascist, even if you're a full on Bernie bro

>>90743216
He might be a Catholic but he's also a Scotsman, which means there's a 90% chance he's a raving libcuck out of anglophobic contrarianism.

>>90758398
I like the nose, it's a nice touch

>>90758646
>when in reality Morrison had been published before Moore ever had been

Are you certain you're not thinking "published in America?" because Moore had a long career with Fleetway before he turned up in the USA. As did Morrison but off the top of my head Moore predates Morrison certainly in 2000AD if not in the states

>>90760857
Americans dont read. That's why they dont have centers, only extremes.

>>90762120
it's mostly everywhere outside the cities

>>90760811
You know, you're allowed to not care.

>>90763839
>Now, our new evangelic ware, this are the fuckers scaring everyone here

This. Protestants are crazy.

>>90764706
they were literally first published in the same year if you count their podunk local newspapers/fanzines, so that anon is kind of talking out of his ass

>>90762130
Except every single person we're mentioning are all artists in an entertainment business which means they're almost always going to have a different disposition than the common man. You'd be better off categorizing them all as laidback entertainers than their political viewpoints.

>>90748594
You don't like Brazil?

Your royal family was going to move there to escape Napoleon back in the day.

>>90749312
>Iberian.
>Mediterranean.

Lol.

>>90749474
Whoa, what story is this?