story time

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>>90739568
>risking national security so some high school girls don't get embarrassed
This may be the stupidest thing she has ever done.

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>>90739644
zoe needs to lose the nose ring.

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>>90739674
sorry Zoe, Kamala is for dicks only

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>>90739761
Run Nakia, turning red is what white people do before they secret poisonous liquids.

>>90739495
>>90739529
Kamala isn't the brightest bulb, so I'm glad virus guy has helped her in realizing the obvious

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>>90739800
No brown pussy for you

>>90739453
>Benghazi!
Big Bang reference?

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>>90739592
The Digital Devil made me do it.

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>>90739882
The end

>>90739495
>I want do to whatever I ask.

Do editors EVER do their jobs?

>>90739592
See #NotMyNation on her Twitter feed.

>>90739800
>>90739831

That was sweet.

Goodness gracious what a wasteland of a thread
Y u did dis to her Marvel
>>90739529
absolutelyharam.jpg

>>90739644
Saved. This is going to be perfect for out of context/ one page threads

>>90739627
good girl

>>90740070
No editors, the character arc is mostly over for her so will be static or killed off depending on the climate of the future, and a culture of decompresion in storytelling so what should be a 1-2 issue thing is half a year.

>>90739831
gaaaaaay

>>90739674
We need a "But that's forbidden love" edit with Kamala face in the last pannel.

Thanks, OP.

>>90739831
Holy shit they actually didn't make Nakia gay just because. I swear I thought they were gonna' go down that route.

>>90739433
Isn't WoW a bit... 2005 for a comic about current teens?

>>90739833
Can't tell if serious

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>>90739592
>This may be the stupidest thing she has ever done.
She has done plenty of stupid things, but that's ok because stupid girls are my fetish

>>90739545
Troll has a point. Kamala is lucky that nobody has actually gone to the effort of investigating her true identity, it would be pretty damn easy to figure out.

>>90740308
The first couple pages of the comic make it clear that it's meant to be a reference to the Corrupted Blood incident that happened 9 years age. Yeah, it's pretty late to the party.

>>90739592
Why do they have her constantly behave like a retard? Not even just naive teen, legit stupid and dangerous. Makes it hard to root for her.

>>90739831
>We're all gonna make it brah

>>90739996
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is intentional, like Doc.X. still hasn't perfected his grasp on grammar and shit. But considering it's so good at speaking properly every other time, I doubt it.

>>90739627
WHY DONT YOU ASK HIM TO HELP YOU DUMB BITCH

>>90739545
damn imagine if Spider-Man started in 2014
his entire supporting cast would've been slaughtered by now

>>90739856
poor little white guy

Huh it feels like Ms Marel is getting back to what it was before she got pushed into everything. I like cute local street level ms marvel.
How long till she repairs her relationship with carol and realizes the events of her civil war tie-in were her fault

>>90740281
you and me both

>>90740485
then again, he's smart enough to handle this kind of stuff

>>90739800
Zoe kind of reminds me of Flash Thompson, started out as a generic bully and then underwent character development and became friends with the main character and the rest of the cast.

>>90739592
wait hol up
>a lesbians feelings and social status in school are more important than global security

>>90739856
Calling Amadeus Cho about this probably would have been a better idea.

>>90740536
Scratch that, she should have called Viv, as an AI she's the best person to deal with an AI.

>>90740530
No. She rejected that.

>>90739529
>>90739495
>his plan is to expose her out her friend's sexuality

I'm getting of tired of Kamala having nothing but non threat villains. Either don't plan to do anything dangerous or they are too incompetent to pull any dangerous thing off.

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>>90740202
Doesnt really work out with how the bubbles are

>>90739882
She should upload it to /r9k/. That would probably kill it pretty quick.

>>90740557
She has her own squad to deal with big threats

You think they'll do another very special episode/PSA comic after this arc? Like this one was about cyberbullying, the last issue before it was about voting.

Ms. Marvel is a pretty transparent comic about its opinions on social issues, but lately it's been a little too obvious, even for Ms. Marvel.

>>90740557
>his plan is to expose her out her friend's sexuality
That's not his plan, that's what he will do if Kamala don't accept his requests

>>90740587
Good enough

>>90740599
Anon you're not suggesting I read Champions are you?

>>90740605
I meant in terms of threatening her. If anything he should have possessed a family member and held them hostage.

>>90740641
He probably focuses more on what is amusing based on previous social encounters over what is most damaging. Making secrets revealed causes more discomfort than doing something.

>>90740602
>You think they'll do another very special episode/PSA comic after this arc?
>do you think marvel will do something stupid and on the nose.
gee anon what do you think

>>90740602
Next arc is Bruno and probably the last arc

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>>90739996
But... The "you" is actually there in that sentence.

I dropped out a while back and just came back again, but why is Bruno mad at Kamala?

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>>90740739
Just let me have my false hope.

>>90740781
Bruno got pissed that Kamala always comes to him and makes him do stuff and puts him in danger. This was spurred on by him trying to get her to do stuff before he put himself in danger.

Stupid and forced reasons, really. They just wanted him out of the way for future love interest arcs.

>>90740536
Nigga she was at SHIELD right before. I'm sure they have crack teams dealing with cyber menaces 24/7.

>>90740502
sales point to her book being cancelled by the end of the year so we probably won't see it happen and she'll either be stuck in team book purgatory or used as cannon fodder in some dumb event.

ms. marvel was a freak accident that thanks to marvel's incompetence will never happen again.

>>90740883
SHIELD is incompetent.

>>90740557
Seriously, when's the last time you saw a supervillain who's big plan is "I'll embarass one of your friends". That's low tier bullying.

>>90740938
Remember how that stupid cockatiel villain's biggest threat wasn't killing people, but using them as batteries? And all the people he used volunteered to be used?

He feels more threatening than this guy.

>>90740281
Maybe Wilson had a chat with her Iman about what is and isn't haram

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>>90740605
I never liked good enough. Fine is more my field

>>90740913
So is Kamala yet apparently she'll manage to deal with it on her own.

>>90739453
>Benghazi with the rest of the those
welp.

>>90739882
Great issue, it wouldn't be half as good without Miyazawa/Herring.

>>90740602
>>90740739
i don't mind the PSA stuff but i do miss the more campy tone the book originally had.

it feels like it took a major tone shift after civil war 2 and never really recovered from it and it also doesn't help that nobody but her creator really knows how to write her.

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>>90739891
SMT x Marvel NOW!

Can either of them be saved?

>>90741134
11/15 Ms Marvel #1 - 79,222
12/15 Ms Marvel #2 - 46,610 (-41.2%)
01/16 Ms Marvel #3 - 32,364 (-30.6%)
02/16 Ms Marvel #4 - 30,916 (- 4.5%)
03/16 Ms Marvel #5 - 31,871 ( +3.1%)
04/16 Ms Marvel #6 - 29,863 (- 6.3%)
05/16 Ms Marvel #7 - 29,840 (- 0.1%)
06/16 Ms Marvel #8 - 31,798 (+ 6.6%) (CV2)
07/16 Ms Marvel #9 - 28,313 (-11.0%) (CV2)
08/16 Ms Marvel #10- 29,395 (+ 3.8%) (CV2)
09/16 Ms Marvel #11- 27,278 (- 7.2%) (CV2)
10/16 Ms Marvel #12- 28,348 (+ 3.9%)
11/16 Ms Marvel #13- 23,621 (-16.7%)
01/17 Ms Marvel #14- 24,006* minimum 10% overship
02/17 Ms Marvel #15- 19,870

Expect a relaunch in a bit

>>90739831

WE GONNA MAKE IT BRUH

>>90741465
Never. The emotions of fear of otherness in technology, the occult, and youthful rebellion does not reflect on the modern society. Persona is more relevant to present day of forming relationships with others and seeking a better tomorrow than its brother series' struggle to survive against inevitable end.

Why are there so many blonds in teen books lesbians who want their brown friends?

>>90741896
Author self-insert

>>90739674
>that last panel

oh geez.

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>>90739996
>>90740779
It says "I want you do to whatever I ask", which is... I don't think it is entirely correct. Probably meant to be "I want you to do whatever I ask".

But yeah, we already established multiple times that Marvel editors don't do anything.

>>90739701
just tell her gay people go to hell and move on Kamala

>>90741896
> so many

name them

>>90740514
Flash should have turned out gay too

>>90740554
Or she would have been horribly infected turned into a supervillain and Vision would have had another kid die

>>90740142
Perhaps even moreso had she just reciprocate right then. Its nice.

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>>90739392
Jesus christ.
>everyone is multicultural
>lesbians
>lesbians with burkas

Do people unironically like this sjw trash? Or is this just being posted to laugh at? I thought I was being too judgmental not checking out Ms Marvel but holy fuck it is that bad.

>>90742608
Did you read the comic, the last one's not a lesbian.

>>90742608
Did you read it? Because "lesbian with burka" is explicitly not a lesbian

>>90739592
Have you ever had friends. I'd do the same for my

>>90739644
bottom left panel just redeemed the arc

>>90742608
>reading comprehension
Also, yeah, it's been floundering since CWII kneecapped all of Marvel, and the magic it used to have has slipped away.

I love the book, been reading it since it started, but the past half-dozen or so have been weaker, trading pandery pseudo-issues for actual, well-fleshed-out interactions.

>>90740912
It's not gonna get canceled. It sells really well online and in trades

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>>90742997
There's still great stuff here, you just gotta dig for it.

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>>90742787
>>90742796
>>90743042

I got about halfway in before I had seen enough of the same ((progressive)) memes I see circulated on every social media site and stopped reading.

Captain Marvel in Young Justice was great, way to ruin the female version by making it all about sjw trash.

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>>90743263
>Captain Marvel in Young Justice was great
I agree.

>>90743052
It sells well in trades, but not online.

>>90743052
Only all ages books get that safeguard. Besides it's her first trade that keeps selling. That shit still pops up in top 100 trades every other month. The others don't.

Thinking of starting a pull list with this, Moon Girl, and Monsters Unleashed. Anything else?

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>>90743505
Good list if you are a seven years old girl.

>>90739719
Kamala, you're not allowed to ride the train without a ticket.

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>>90743643
She is just connecting with her Indian roots.

After the boot and the train, I want at least one more page of giant Kamala riding on top of some sort of public transportation

Why doesn't the virus just take over Zoe or Nakia or really any of her friends and family and hold them hostage against her? That seems like it'd be more effective than just threatening Kamala through her phone. That and it'd get some sweet clam smacking action. What a dumb virus.

>>90740938
>who's big plan

Read the fucking comic. He was going to hack SHIELD databases. Outing Kamala's friend was just a means to an end to reach that goal.

>>90739674

That's a good Kamala face in the last panel.

Why do so many people keep thinking she'll be cancelled instead of a quick relaunch that gets her back to basics? I've seen at least 7 publications that kept circulating the same article about how important Kamala is. Even if she sells like garbage there's no way they'd get rid of a solo ongoing. They'd be crucified. And it's not like they can win back their old audience with their current talent. Kamala is currently too important to get rid of. Even if they have to run her book at a loss.

>>90743505
I don't recommend Moon Girl.

>>90744069
It's a bunch of hot air if the sales can't back it up.
Though yeah, looking at how many times Carol's been relaunched in the past few years, they're not going to just end it without squeezing all the blood they can from that stone.

>>90744069
What importance does she hold? She can't sell a fucking floppy.

>>90744212
>name
Kek. Probably because she was the only "progressive" launch from Marvel Now! (Round one) that received even a modicum of success, so it's the tent pole of their entire "Progressive" bend.

Also, teenage girl Spider-Man.

Where's Alphona

>>90741075
He could just be a republican.

>>90740485
Spider-man beat Norman Osborn down so hard that he has a death certificate. I'd like to think that most of his villains aren't remotely stupid enough to keep trying that in your hypothetical scenario.

>>90741861
In non-pretentious words: SMT is '90s to early '00s, Persona is more current age; we may look fondly on the former, but the latter will sell with less work put into it

Though I'd love something like DDS or Raidou 3 and/or an original comic in the SMT

>>90743263
>not even knowing that Shazam-Marvel and Carol-Marvel are from two different companies
Sigh
And it looks like you want to be mad at this, plus it isn't the best moment of this book - before relaunch it was the best, comparable to New Super-man (that is, you would never guess Marvel actually released it)

>>90744607
It doesn't capture the themes that those would express.
If you said 90's, would end up with "Power Rangers and Nicktoons" which doesn't explain it.

Ms. Bumpel

>>90744183
Why? She's fun.

>>90739831

These sorts of things never happen in real life. If your friend confesses romantic love for you and you don't reciprocate, especially if you're the same gender, your relationship is going to be awkward and weird from then on. The confessor is going to feel weird still being attracted to the other person but never being able to truly act on it, and the other person is going to feel weird knowing that their friend is in love with them while feeling nothing in return.

It's doomed to failure. If they were real people. Zoe and Nakia might hang around each other for a little while, but they'll eventually drift apart because being around each other is too awkward.

>>90745189
If you were an expert on any of this you wouldn't be here.

>>90745189

You sound too much like you're speaking from experience. What was his name and why didn't you make sure he was gay too before you fucked it all up?

>go full blast on the tumblr pandering in every book
>don't have guts to make the muslim a dyke because real muslims would get butthurt about it
House of ideas

>>90745743
There is more DRAMA this way.

I wish it had more epic MMO references

>>90745743
It would be very unlikely that she would be?

You'd complain if she was.

>>90739904
This book has become boring.

>>90741575
It will probably happen after Secret Empire.

>>90745743
>mad about straight muslims
>mad about gay muslims
Hmm...

>>90747349
Maybe he's just a Jew?

>>90739392
Ms. Marvel Vs Blanka. Cool!

>>90744381
Gone.

>>90745743
She didn't even say she wasn't a lesbian. Just that she wasn't into her.

>>90739592
To be fair, SHIELD are legitimately evil.

At most she's pitting two supervillains against one another.

Also I can't believe this book STILL hasn't recovered from the Bendising it got during CWII. Nigga has the fucking touch of death.

>>90740602
No, issue #18 is a solo story about Bruno and then I guess the last arc. Which might be a tie-in to Secret Empire, so prepare for Doctor Faustus and Hydra Hipsters to show up.
Now the question is if Kamala will get a relaunch after the Hitlering is over.

>>90748100
>a tie-in to Secret Empire, so prepare for Doctor Faustus and Hydra Hipsters to show up.
Because why does anybody need their own villains when they can just be thrown against HYDRA?

>>90740536
Fuck that, I'm glad this book is gradually getting its real cast back after it was nearly destroyed by some dumb event.

As far as I'm concerned, the less of the Champions there is in this book, the better.

>>90743505
If you enjoy those then add Unstoppable Wasp, Superman, Gotham Academy and Super Sons

This book took such a nosedive.

No first-time reader would like this stupid "virus and lesbians" arc. You guys are too invested on Kamala to call a bad arc a bad arc.

>>90747428
Maybe he is Milo?

>>90748365
My guess is the writer just doesn't know what to do after Civil War came in, took all her toys, and smashed them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cueball was still pushing his awful ship with editorial, and having to wait on it means that MM's story has ground to a halt.

>>90748312
To be fair, those shmucks were in the book since the relaunch. Maybe she will finally kick them out for good?

>>90748365
>No first-time reader would like this stupid "virus and lesbians" arc.
I've been reading comics for 20 years and I like it.

>>90748484
>I've been reading comics for 20 years and I like it.
Which part of "first-time reader" didn't you understand?

>>90748548
Sorry, I misunderstood the sentence. I thought you meant it as that only someone who never read a comics before could like it.

But... why would a first-time reader pick up any arc of this series and not the previous one? And if they did pick up this series, why not the Hydra arc, the first one?

>>90740308
not really, like half of WoWs population are women, and most probably the writer plays WoW. It is a dated reference, but still, I could believe Kamala plays because someone else got her into it, the last batch of new people started around MoP.

>>90739830
>Kamala isn't the brightest bulb
women LOVE and EAT that trope every morning with bread and juice

>>90748365
I don't care about the lesbian shit because that happens in every new comic now-a-days but I don't see what's the problem with what's supposed to be a young not skilled hero going up against low level threats.

Wasn't one of her first villains a guy with a cockatiel head I mean seriously?

What I don't care for is Champions.

>>90739800
>"What is happening right now?"

Oh shit, it's a reverse Jean Grey!

>>90739644
That's a 10/10 out of context page.
2nd best this year, but only because of Loveless.

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>>90748100
>Which might be a tie-in to Secret Empire, so prepare for Doctor Faustus and Hydra Hipsters to show up.
Would that mean the return of Becky? I need more of my fascistfu.

>>90743815
Because when you do start the dial at 10, you can go any higher.

>>90750736
What's she gonna do? Write an angry Tweet? Without Carol backing her with gear, she's no threat at all.

>>90739831
This. This is good.
Not everyone is gay/bi and sometimes the person a guy person falls for isn't. Hell, most people aren't into that, and yet this never happens in any works of fiction. It's the ONLY thing I'll give DoA credit for.

>>90739453

God damn it Monsoon

>>90750403
Having lower level villains isn't what's bad. It's that there's absolutely no stakes or sense of any threat that they pose. The first arc of ANGR used Mr. Hyde, a low level z-list villain, yet made him come off as a threatening challenge for Robbie to go up against. In Ms. Marvel the biggest "threat" she's faced is a ginger fascist who for an issue led her down the "wrong" path regarding crime fighting.

Her current villain is a sentient virus that threatens to doxx her and her friend and said blackmail is immediately negated because within a few pages they both go "fuck that" meaning where's the threat? The threat was what was held over her and it amounted to nothing. This virus can possess people so why, instead, did it not just possess Zoe and threaten to do the outing that way and if that isn't enough of a threat then have he will do much worse to her friend (engage in criminal activity to further fuck up her reputation, never give up control, self-harm, anything). The threat remains low level yet is still presented as, well, a threat and there are actual stakes for Kamala.

>>90739856
Bruno's still being a little twat about what he did to himself.

>>90750807
Join Hydra, have access to Hydra tech, carry out Cap's vision of a fascist utopia while getting revenge on Kamala.

>>90750933
Except Becky considers herself a hero (skewed as her methods are), and so she obviously wouldn't join with HYDRA.

>>90750879
Monsoon was right. Monsoon was always right.

>>90742608
Literally is only pretending to have read the comic to bitch, fuck off.

>>90750902
>Having lower level villains isn't what's bad. It's that there's absolutely no stakes or sense of any threat that they pose.
He was going to reveal her identity which is pretty much the classic superhero threat to have against you. You don't say "Fuck that" to that lightly and neither did Kamala.

>>90751136
Look I just want Becky back alright stop being a buzzkill.

>>90751136
Just have her get the pitch over Captain America's interpretation of what Hydra is/should be. A force to improve the world by any means.

>>90739644
2017, everyone.

>>90739392
This issue was really good.

>>90750807
Her gear was privately owned. She's a trust-fund baby.

>>90750902
But how is that a nose dive? You compared it to a completely different tonal book not it's own continuity.

Remember COCKTIEL head. CANADIAN ninja. Hipsters. The book isn't about fighting big crime and high stakes. It's silly and mostly character driven. It's a book for teens with issues they get.

I understand not liking that but not all books have to be the same stakes.

>>90739800
Yes, this is totally a white girl thing.

>>90751351
What the fuck is hard to understand? Not everything needs to be "save the world" tier but you can give villains a sense of threat while still having something lighter.

Jesus, look at Formerly Known as the Justice League. It's a fucking comedy book and yet is still able to at least make it feel like there's shit at stake regarding what happens to Captain Atom and Manga Khan's threats to annihilate the Earth if he doesn't get L-Ron back.

There's no sense of threat, no sense that anything is truly at stake in this book. The villains are complete non-entities that are impossible to take seriously and pose virtually no threat to the hero, her friends and family or even really the immediate area of Jersey City. Yes it's a character driven book but it is still, ostensibly, a superhero book so your villains have to be able to pose some level of threat for the hero even if they're practically in the back seat compared to the character drama.

>>90751240
Yeah. We are back to the central characters, Bruno is of (incidental) help, despite being still pissed as fuck, development is paying off, Kamala is cute and idealistic as fuck, Doc.X is showing some personality and might get redeemed. That's quite a bit better than what we had lately.
Also I kinda want Kamala to have the troll as a buddy to do tech stuff and do her cyber security and spell out the obvious shit she's missing.

>>90740536
>wanting insufferable Cunt-mala from Champions to infect the solo version
I don't care how much more sense it would make on every technical level to call Cho. I'd rather Kamala rely on her existing secondary cast in her own damn solo and remain free from referencing anything from fucking Waid.

>>90752616
You said it took a nose dive. You have provided no internal proof. You just keep comparing it to other books.

By the way you speak about it it never went the way you wanted so there was no nosedive to take. You've just declared yourself arbiter of what all comics should be because reasons.

Fun fact; They can be anything you can accomplish with the art and writing.

>>90745189
Story of my life anon. Minus the gay part.

>>90740434
Not to mention the fact that she's doing said retard-behaving while also inventing random super-science shit for super-science fairs.

...wait, is she supposed to be autistic? Like, not meme autistic, but actually autistic?

>>90745349
I'm not the anon who you were replying to, but I can verify that, yeah, when she said no, it got...it got really bad, and our friendship pretty much ended almost immediately.

Still hurts, thinking about it almost 20 years later, today.

(and now I'll add that I'm a she too, only to make it contextual with the gender dynamic in the comic that started this discussion)

>>90753739
Nah. This is Marvel 616, where minors have develop anti-grav and pocket-sized fusion reactors for the science fair.
She's just a bit slow on the uptake and really busy.
Seriously, teens can miss many things less self-absorbed humans would immediately notice.

>>90753739
>Implying she wasn't being carried by Bruno
>>90753957
Try again in CURRENT YEAR to see if it works

>>90750809
Yeah, I have to give it credit. A lot of the recent MM writing has been pretty (not) hit or miss, but this was some pretty devastating, but well written, truth.

>>90753994
But what next?
Think they'll get over it or will it just be too weird?
Maybe if Kamala spills the beans on them, this will look unimportant by comparison.
I can't see a comic do an awkward end to a friendship, leaving characters dangling in shitty teenage angst. I mean, their lives are strange as they are, after Josh and Bruno and Becky all blew up in sone way or another, they went through an end of days, Jersey became a battle ground... what's a bit of romantic tension there, right?

>>90739831
>>90745189

Zoe's going to need to spend a lot more money on coffee's for Nakia to not make this constantly awkward for the rest of their friendship

>>90743263
>Captain Marvel in Young Justice was great, way to ruin the female version by making it all about sjw trash.
I don't read comics, just complain about them: the post

>>90745189
To provide a counterpoint I had something similar happen. We drifted apart but only due to distance not awkwardness. It was pretty awkward but we are still good friends and when we do catchup we basically start right where we last left off.

I am actually happy with this issue of Ms Marvel. She might get her groove back after all.

>>90739674
I wonder what would Illuminating Comics do with the same scene. Most probably Kamala fangirling over yuri ships or something.

>>90739701
that pretty much implies Kamala sucks at keeping her identity secret. But considering she only cover her face with a domino mask and doesnt nothing else to conceal it, its kinda obvious.

>>90753739

I think she's just book smart but sheltered and naive.

>>90739392
So progressive

>>90744559
>Spider-man beat Norman Osborn down so hard that he has a death certificate
I'm gonna put that on a frame.

>>90739856
What if Bruno uses the virus to get back at Ms. Marvel and becomes a villain ?

>>90745290
4chan is exactly where I would expect to find an expert in losing friends.

>>90757878
This is so true it wraps around from being a joke to just being a statement of fact.

>>90739831
I think the fact that Zoe didn't get the girl makes her actions more admirable. Like she didn't get Nakia's love in the end, but she still pressed on. Zoe's probably the best character int he comic right now.

>>90745189
Been there, done that, from the POV of the one being confessed to. Still friends seven years later, although not as close as we once were.