What alien species could beat the diamond authority of homeworld

Homeworld vs. Goa'uld?

Cthulu

I'd say at best they're Borg tier and probably a good deal bellow that.

But we don't really have a lot to go on.

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Cybertronians

>>90724725
If only the show bothered showing the true might of the Gem Empire... but instead we get to see some of the creators soapboxing. But alright, 40k xenos would demolish them.

>>90724725

Basically any of them given that a human child and a couple of minor gem rebels were able to infiltrate a secure base right when two of their three supreme leaders were there making a visit at the same time.

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>>90724725
EXTERMINATE!

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I want to be a fuckhead and say Time Lords.

But I'm going to be a cheeky git and say Daleks instead.

>>90724725
Kryptonians.

>>90724894
Are daleks that bug in the UK?

>>90724988
>big
Fuck my english

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>>90724725
This counts as alien, right?

>>90725092
I guess

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>>90724725
Diamonds and Homeworld ain't shit.

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Funny you ask. I'm working on an overhaul mod for Galactic Civilizations 3...

I should note that Hater's Watchdogs have since been added.

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>>90724725
>What alien species could beat the diamond authority of homeworld
>alien species
Look not to the stars for salvation, man of Earth. Deliverance is at hand.

HATE'S GREAT, BEST VILLAIN!

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I really want to see the Combine vs Homeworld
PICK UP THAT CAN

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His meteorite gun could do it.

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Curious how a predator would handle gems. Would they go straight for the gem after figuring it out, or would they want the gem intact as a trophy? They'd probably just steal/invent something like Jasper's stun rod and then if they couldn't figure out how to bubble, they'd just shatter and use the shards to decorate their armor for the next hunt.

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>>90724725

>>90724988
My dear child, we invented them, Daleks struggling with stairs has been a meme in the uk since the 70's

>>90724876

>>90725382
Until they could fly.

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These two could probably cause enough damage in about a day or two. In the Showa canon Ghidorah fucked up the entirety of Venus so badly that they had to flee and come to Earth

>>90724820
Even mid tier cybers would utterly wreck their entire army solo. Starscream could handle this. STARSCREAM.

>>90725535
I wonder if the Mini-cons could do it.

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>>90725535
Starscream was once an underage girl. Starscream can do anything.

>>90725219
Filthy human get off my board

>>90725180
>filename
Only fourteen, to my shame.

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These idiots

>>90724725
I REALLY want the Orks to fight them head-on.
Picture it, The Beast Waaagh vs an empire of immortal reforming killers.

>>90725499
Depends on if Ghidorah is under mind control at the time or not. If he's not, he's actually stronger than Godzilla AND Rodan together, he defeated both of them in Monster Zero, he could easily destroy them and then he'd just up and fly off.

If he's under those idiots from Vs Gigan or GTTHM on the other hand, they've got a decent chance. Just like a choirboy at an all black church, they do not know how to handle that monster even if they get control of the head.

>>90725664
I-I want to protect Starscream!

The New Gods

>>90724725
Silver Surfer.

>>90724725
As far as we've seen, Homeworld and the diamonds are exceptionally incompetent.

Pretty much any moderately advanced sci-fi civilization would have a walk in the park with them

>>90725833
We can all agree DesuGhidorah would utterly fuck them, though. We're talking razed to the ground no survivors fucked. At least until the gems dies off and the only male gem in the history of the series shows up to kick his ass.

No worries from Grand King Ghidorah, though. Steven and Connie are on earth.

Pretty much any large galactic society from DC or Marvel. The gems seem bitchmade.

>All these idiots posting individual aliens when OP said "alien species"

>>90725180
>See the Gremlins logo
I may not really play Spiral Knights much anymore but I did love them gremlins
>Enough to draw them in "situations"

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>>90725724
Suffer not the alien to live.

That is way too small for Yellow D.

>>90724725
Humanity. Generally we prove pretty successful at beating other alien species in fiction. If I can't bet on humans, than I'm putting it all on Xenu

>>90725956
>Not getting that if something is an alien, it's a damn other species
>So any alien that could solo them means an alien species could defeat them

Come the fuck on man.

>>90725919
>Second spoiler

I don't get it.

>>90725909
This, and that's as a fan of the show.

>>90725180
Anon that's not the logo for Alternia.That's the SGRUB logo. Either use Pisces or use the Trident.

>>90725180
How the Christ would Nova and The Enclave even be spacefaring factions?

>>90724846
>40k xenos would demolish them.
This.
Necrons are pretty much goth gems any way but the Orks, Eldar or even the Tau could do it. Not sure about the Nids though. That might be a bad match up.

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>>90724725
All you need is one Kryptonian.

>>90726018
Fuck humans

>>90725833
Wasn't he acting on his own accord in GTTHM? Also Gigan managed to fuck up Godzilla and Anguirus pretty hard in Vs Gigan while being under control

>>90724725
I kind of wish they'd reveal this whole resource scarcity was because they're in a cold war with some equally autistic but ultimately better adapted alien race.

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These were aliens, right?
At one point.

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>>90726049
GKG, uh.

He likes little boys and girls, let's just say. Not really interested in the older types. I mean I guess he could see the Peris and mistakes are made, but that would just lead to him burning the entire Homeworld to crunchy cinders when he gets the three headed space dragon equivalent of trap panic.

>>90725273
We literally haven't seen anything of the Combine except for the natives they trained, some of their military hardware, and possibly their diplomatic caste.

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>>90724725
HELLO

>>90726139
Bloody hell, femcarnage over there is giving it a twitch to me old ding dong down here.

>>90726144
And we're never going to.

>>90726144
Apparently they've managed to conquer and enslave a shit ton of alien races

>>90725989
I would like to see these situations for... research purposes.

>>90726070
Yeah, I'll probably change it at some point.

>>90726077
Eh, I was mostly using Nova to represent Haltmann Works. I don't really have an explanation for the Enclave. It's a work in progress.

>>90726139
I somehow doubt a species that overtakes organic lifeforms and is susceptible to heat and sonic trauma would do very well against a silicate species that shoots lasers and are known for using sonic attacks as weapons of mass destruction.

>>90726121
>Wasn't he acting on his own accord in GTTHM?

No, he wasn't. You don't learn it during GTTHM, but Monster Zero, the direct sequel, uses that as a twist. Turns out they sent Ghidorah to earth and were shocked the Monster Avengers managed to kick his ass, so they did that whole spiel about him destroying their place to trick earth into giving them Godzilla and Rodan to fight him, and then ha ha you fools, aliens are shit! But when Ghidorah broke free at the end of the movie, he whooped Godzilla and Rodan, and made everyone wonder if they were dead.

Gigan was okay, but they managed to control Ghidorah so bad even Angurius managed some decent hits.

>>90726186
Imagine how much a symbiote would want your and her sexual hormones and impulses.

>>90726253
There is a zoo filled with humans on their planet.
Just one symbiote needs to get in there.
Carnage infected the internet if I remember correctly.

>>90726265
Wew lad. This is too much for me old heart, I will go give the hammer a nice polish. I'll be back.

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>>90726227
It's only a sketch right now, but hey, first time for everything.

>>90724876
meh, i'll bite. No one from Homeworld cares about the Zoo anymore. And Amethyst befriended the only people actually operating it.

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>>90726264
Fuck I haven't seen Vs Monster Zero in such a long time. Now I'm wondering how MechaGodzilla would fare against Homeworld
>>90725919
>>90726143
I though the Rebirth of Mothra series wasn't canon to any Godzilla timeline

the Saiyans.

>>90725310
I could imagine this. Gem shards do grant powers and we've seen Lapis Lazuli stuck in a mirror, so bubbling isn't the only solution.

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>>90724725
>>90726180
THEY ARE NO MATCH FOR OUR PUNEY WEAPONS!

>>90726461
>Now I'm wondering how MechaGodzilla would fare against Homeworld

Considering how he utterly fucking annihilated Big G in their first meetup and is packing weapons up his asshole like mexico's highest paid drug mules, this would be over pretty quick. He'd just stand there for ten minutes and legally be qualified as a fourth of july celebration before everyone was dead.

>I though the Rebirth of Mothra series wasn't canon to any Godzilla timeline

It's not, but it's canon to the ROM timeline, so I don't know what you're saying. They're still an alien invader/Alien Warlord respectively. It'd be a huge stretch to include Dagahra though, since Ninai Kanai were earthlings.

>>90724725
Mandalorians

>>90726144
You mean OTHER than the grubs right?

>>90726697
The casualties would be enormous.
They might still win though.

>>90724725
Here's a better question since pretty much any advanced 'serious' race could stomp them.
Is there are relatively advanced race the gems could beat?

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Let's try and move away from the low-hanging fruit. Most of the species listed already could stomp the gems.

Could the Xenomorphs beat them? Do they have to have organic hosts to breed and swarm?

>>90726264
>Gigan was okay, but they managed to control Ghidorah so bad even Angurius managed some decent hits.
Gigan wasn't the Monster Zero chaps, so it's entirely possible they just didn't know how to work a three headed laser machine. I mean, he is pretty unwieldy, even his 'owners' couldn't use him to full capacity, VS Megalon implied they had controlled Gigan much longer, which is why he also had way more trouble fighting in Megalon.

>>90726461
Simeons would win no problem, Mechagodzilla was was stronger than Godzilla was, and Big G would laugh off the Gems attacks.

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>>90724725
I reckon Gempire vs Klingon Empire would be a fairly even match

>>90726760
Nope not at all.

>>90726760
The zoo.
>>90726755
Yuuzhan Vong.
The Flood, before forerunner bullshit.
Maybe the Tyranids.

>>90726760
Xenos have whatever's in the Zoo, and that's it. You can't parasitize a hologram.

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>>90725180
>the fucking mooninites

>>90724725
I don't think we're ever going to find out enough about homeworld, gems, etc to really get a good idea of what they're capable of, which makes that question difficult to ask due to lack of information. TOWNIES ON THE OTHER HAND

>>90724725
TOS era Starfleet, Kingons, Romulans, etc could probably take down homeworld.

>>90726802
>>90726507

They'd fuck Saiyans up desu. But they do need to mine other planets for the minerals needed to create more soldiers.

With Steven they're godmode because he can heal shattered or corrupted gems.

>>90725180
What's the one between the Preds and the Galactic Empire from Star Wars? I feel like I've seen it before but can't remember.

>>90726760
Xenos are fucked. Very limited supply numbers, can't facehug the actual combatants, Xenos won't go for the gems, and the Queen would be shorter than a Diamond is.

Predators fully armed and not just out for sport would rape them though.

>>90726875
>They'd fuck Saiyans up desu
No they wouldn't, they'd be ruined if they went up against a bunch of Oozaru.

>>90726875
How would they do against the Chilled Trade Federation?

>>90726461
Mechagodzilla 2 (well, the one from Terror of Mechagodzilla) had missiles that uprooted entire buildings. I'm expecting heavy casualties and a lot of collateral damage.

>>90725909
You don't even need to pull out the big guns in this case

>>90725310
>Pred shatters a Gem
>uses the fragments to decorate its armor and weapons
>its equipment suddenly goes Frybo

Honestly, from what we know of them the Diamond Authority is at best a C-tier alien species. The main antagonists of almost every space opera/soft science fiction series could at least go toe to toe with them.

I think at this point even the Yeerks have enough bodies to splatter the Gems.

You know, this thread's got me thinking. Are we eventually going to see some OTHER alien race come along that tries to push the Gems around, and then the Diamonds have to reluctantly ally with the CGs and Steven to save their own lives?

It feels like the sort of thing that could happen if SU goes on long enough.

>>90726802
>Maybe the Tyranids.
The nids would still win easily, sheer weight of numbers in a worst case scenario.
Sure they couldn't recoup as much as they could from squishies but its something of a misnomer that the nids are 100% reliant on recovering biomass after a battle.
Not to mention the hive fleet itself is a formidable navy before it even disgorges spores.

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Off the top of my head.

The Skrulls
The Kri
The Shi'ar
The Technarchy
The Brood
The Annihilation Wave
The Kryptonians
The Monitors
The Celestials
The Borg
The Voth
The Tholians(they're crystalline even)
The Klingons
The Romulans
The Dominion
The Iconians
The Undine
The Necrons
The Eldar
The Tyranids
The Drengin
The Cybertronians(Autobots or Decepticons)
The T'kon
The Beta
The Daleks

>>90725992
The Emperor never said or believed that, so you shouldn't post pictures of him like those are his sentiments.

>>90725535
Starscream got beaten by a horse once

>>90726868
Not many things in Star Trek would win against Gems. Maybe the Naglium.

Idk, I haven't watched anything other than half of Next Generation and don't think I'll watch anything else.

>>90727002
That picture combined with 40k IoM branwashing is obviously tertiary fan tier but the Emperor did not like xenos at all.

>>90726697
Nah. The gems are a multigalactic empire. The Mandalorians got fucked by an order of a few hundred Jedis.

>>90726910
>the Queen would be shorter than a Diamond is

Now I'm thinking of Blue petting and cuddling one like a giant, chitinous cat.

>>90727002
might i suggest the Ceph for that list

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>needing an entire species

All you really need is one lombax and one robot.

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>>90724725
The gems are weak and stupid. Almost any alien species can beat them.

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They aren't organic so I'm not sure how you could start a fight between them, but there isn't much the Diamonds could do against the Reapers awakening in the SU setting.

>>90726461
>I though the Rebirth of Mothra series wasn't canon to any Godzilla timeline

Nigga there's dozens of Godzilla timelines, it might be. It has as much connection to OGZilla as most of the Millenium films do, and all of those are self contained except for the two that had direct sequels to each other.

>>90727174
They're synthetics wanting to destroy organics. That's all the impetus they should need.

>>90727002
>No Orks..
>No Sontarans.
>No Krogans.

>>90726921
It always depends on the quality and quanity of their resources. But they can make gems for any kind of task. Some heal, some control water, some can see the future, some are storage units, weaponsmiths that are their own tools and can make all sorts of fucked up shit. There's a lot to work with if they have the resources, but they hold themselves back with the homo-fusion rule.

One of each type could fuse into an eldritch, undying monster.

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>>90727086
>The Irkens
>A credible threat to anyone

>>90727171
>>90725278
These two fight, who wins?

>>90727221
>The Irkens
>One of the most powerful cartoon alien race
>not a "credible threat"
SUfags are stupid

>>90727211
The Sontarans had problems with jellyfish and people using bullets without copper jackets. I don't think they got this.

>>90727221
Don't the Irkens have to take over a planet to pass some exam?

>>90727290
They also fight against the Rutans endlessly.
Swap the Rutans for the Gems.

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>>90727073
Almost EVERYTHING in Star Trek would win against gems. As far back as TNG even a low-class Klingon vessel could, and did, destroy an entire planet.

How can you say not many things can beat Gems in Star Trek if you just admitted you barely watched it?

The Crystalline Entities and the Tholians are prime examples of Star Trek dealing with Crystalline/Mineral races.

Here are some things most major Star Trek powers can do.

>Teleportation
>Matter/Energy Conversion.
>Total Planetary Destruction.
>Inter-dimensional Travel
>Inter-Universal Travel
>Time-Travel
>Trans-Warp Travel

>>90727111
He regarded Aliens with suspician and thought the Eldar particularly were untrustworthy. Orks and Necrons were completely off the table regarding Diplomacy because of their nature and goals.

Most peaceful Aliens were wiped out by the Necrons, The Men of Iron or the Psychic Warp Incursions. Humans co-existed with Aliens at one point before the Men of Iron rebellion.

>>90726802
>The zoo.

Those are humans...

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>>90724725
One of these bastards can destroy a entire mountain.

Wasn't there some offhand mention that the Gem Homeworld is in Andromeda? Being able to cross the inter-galactic void in a reasonable amount of time is in itself enough to push them onto a tech tier higher than even most shit in 40K.

At that point you'd need another race that's able to do the same to stand a chance. So any kids series that deals with space and has writers that have no sense of scale. Hell, the fucking Power Rangers from In Space and onward could do it.

>>90727221
They're actually pretty successful in the show

>>90727221
did you even watch the show? They're a credible threat to nearly EVERYONE.

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>>90727283
>If you disagree with me that must mean you're a SUfag
Retard

Also, what feats do they actually have that could be used for a real fight?

>>90727340
Organic hosts.

>>90727339
>>Teleportation
>>Matter/Energy Conversion.
>>Total Planetary Destruction.
>>Inter-dimensional Travel
>>Inter-Universal Travel
>>Time-Travel
>>Trans-Warp Travel

So they can do all of the same things as Gems.

>>90725180
is there a name for this mod so one may keep track of it?

>>90727355
The Power Rangers actually have absurdly powerful tech. I mean it's basically magic, right? Or it's, like, magic and technology melded together. It's crazy.

>>90727291
I believe they do as a coming of age thing actually, and even then they only give one planet per. They of course send in an army to completely kill everything on that planet after.

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>>90727221
They actually are, and control a large swathe of the whole Galaxy. Their ships can pass through Stars and destroy planets with ease. Just because they're goofy as fuck doesn't mean they are not dangerous.

>>90727339
Really the thing that gives Star Fleet an edge over the Gems, and anyone else really, is technobabble bullshit.

>Captain, after studying these shard fragments I have devised a setting on the tricorder that send out a signal that will turn all the gems within range into frothy beverages

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>Ratchet and Clank are already done.

Fuck.

I suppose the Heartless could also count given that they're from, to some extent, a parallel universe.

And before you say anything about the hard-light holograms that Gems have being a possible deterrent, remember that the Heartless have visited a world consisting of sentient computer programs.

>>90727171

To be fair, a large amount of the civilizations and other entities from that franchise could wipe out Gemkind if they wanted to.

>>90727291
>>90727357
>>90727372
The show operates on Spongebob level toon logic, it barely even has a real continuity.

Yeah, the conquered planets but I can't for the life of me actually think of how using the methods canon in-universe. Tak is the only invader worth her salt as far as I remember.

>>90727404
Looked it up, found the wikia page for the Organic Sweep I was talking about. They just purge the whole planet after a single one weakens the defenses. http://zim.wikia.com/wiki/Organic_Sweep

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>>90724725
Phyrexians

>>90727413
Again, the show has the logic of Spongebob in terms of world cohesion

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>>90727384
>Inter-dimensional Travel
>Inter-Universal Travel
>Time-Travel
>Trans-Warp Travel

Out of curiosity, can you show me where the Gems did any of these?

I'm also going to add most if not all races from Endless Space. The final section of the Tech Tree is God Tier Magic levels of technology. Though one might argue that tech being available to them in the context of the games mechanics is not the same as the canon tech levels of that race.

>>90727355
>Wasn't there some offhand mention that the Gem Homeworld is in Andromeda?

That was from Garnet in Log Date.

>>90727509
What the fuck is that thing?

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>>90727431

>>90727431
I could see the Heartless wrecking their shit.
>But then Homeworld would fall into darkness.

>>90727537
magical Borg from Magic: the Gathering

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>>90727428
It's almost as if they are using fictional technology. against fictional entities.

>>90727531
>Time-Travel

Not that anon but wasn't there an episode about Steven finding some time travel trinket just laying around in a ruin?

>>90727355
it always bothers me how scifi nerds can enjoy and give a pass to about almost anything that happens in the shit they enjoy but mention galaxy to galaxy travel and they flip the fuck out.

I still remember the threads on /v/ when they first mentioned the next bioware gay dating simulator was going to be set in Andromeda. holy fuck.

>>90727472
>it barely even has a real continuity.
And? It's established that they take over planets for some test.
It's the only thing that the viewer needs to know before they send Zim off to Earth.

most interesting aliens (read: aliens who aren't designed to seem human) could wreck Diamond and Homeworld

>>90726942
That'd be pretty cool to watch a predator fighting his own gear in a test of natural skill vs enhancements.

>>90727619
>but mention galaxy to galaxy travel and they flip the fuck out.

Because most scifi sticks to a relatively small neighborhood and galaxy to galaxy travel is a much larger scale than even traveling through a single galaxy. Seriously, the distances are so big humans are pretty much unable to truly comprehend them. You can say whatever number of light years you want but saying it and truly understanding it are very different things.

>>90726875
>They'd fuck Saiyans up desu


they couldn't fuck up the likes of raditz.

>>90727564

The Heartless are pretty much a threat to anyone not well-versed in dealing with Darkness. Don't forget that they also adapt to the worlds they're in.

>But then Homeworld would fall into darkness.

The Gem Homeworld and Earth would probably take place in the same world, KH's definition of a world pretty much fits with every other series' definition of a universe.

>>90724725
Basically any
Think about it for all their tech and magic, the diamonds go to strategy is to land a small group of 1 to 5 gems on the surface of a planet to fight a battle with melee weapons, gems are not indestructible and despite an impressive ability to recover they don't even appear to be much more durable than a human.
Basically any race with access and will to use projectile weapons or orbital attacks would easily destroy anything we have seen the Diamonds use.
The only reason modern humans would be at a disadvantage is that we could never possibly reach them in another galaxy.

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>>90727619
>but mention galaxy to galaxy travel and they flip the fuck out.
Probably because unlike most Sci-Fi technology and Science, this is something we can actually comprehend and calculate using real world math and science. Even travelling at the speed of light it would take thousands or millions of years to travel to another Galaxy. A Galaxy alone is unfathomably vast, now imagine the distance between Galaxies which can fit trillions of galaxies between them.

If Galaxies were not so far away from each other, they'd be affecting each other with their gravity. Chances are at least some Galaxies we are aware of are the results of one Galaxy eating another or two Galaxies imploding into each other.

I personally do not have a problem with Inter-Galactic travel in Sci-Fi, and I only do when it's not in line with the rest of the technological achievements of the setting.

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One adult cherub would probably be enough

>>90727695
I like the far larger scale and can comprehend how fuck huge the distances are.


fight me faggot.

>>90727763
What the fuck is that....thing?

>>90724725
Grox.

>>90727714
>Roshi is able to destroy the moon while standing on the Earth with no noticable delay
>Roshi is fucking nothing to Raditz
>Raditz is a bottom of the barrel, as in scrap off the outside bottom, Saiyan warrior
>most planets seem to get a team of Saiyans sent to them

>>90726077
>The Enclave
That was actually the original plan of the enclave, the vaults were experiments to troubleshoot potential problems in a moon colonization mission, The enclave was oping to escape a potential war by going to space.

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>>90727624
And Gems reproduce by hallowing out planets

The difference lies in the goals of each series, IZ is a dark comedy that operates on what most cartoons do "it is funny? Then it works". If you're gonna bring up the Irkens, might as well bring up the Martians from Looney Tunes

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>>90725180
>Galatic Nova
Well thats a random ass thing to put in there but is still valid.

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>>90727791
Alien child with learning difficulties

Would calling in the Culture to deal with them basically be bullying?

>>90726144
And even that is far beyond the Gempire.
The combine can annihilate the combined military forces of earth is 7 hours and one of their reactor cores malfunctioning can vaporize a megacity and then you take into consideration that they are apparently a multiversal empire, The gem homeworld couldn't even take out the crystal gems and their tech seems to be borderline ineffective against organic life.

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How do you think the glorft would do?

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Magic space gems vs nanobot swarms possessing armors acting as knights. Who wins?

>>90725499
Ghidorah vs Cluster?

Or Diamond Kaiju scale fusion.

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>>90727983
We don't know how advanced their technology levels are in general. The Megas was an experimental creation using technology from the races they had conquered combined with their own, which they start doing in the present when they return after a long absence.

But still, if they were able to mass produced the Megas they'd be ridiculously formidable in ground warfare.

They will get a major shock bonus against any race that is not all ready familiar with mech combat.

>>90727828
>The difference lies in the goals of each series
Irkens still take over planets. Don't use Zim as a measure of Irken intelligence. He is a huge outlier in everything they do.

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>>90728025
Nano-Bots.

I am intimately familiar with Endless Space/Endless Legend so I know just what a big deal "dust" is and how advanced it's creators were.

>>90727073
>Not many things in Star Trek would win against Gems.
Phazer shot to the gem would be all it would take.
Seriously gems are not that big a threat anybody with a gun could permakill them.

>>90725092
>>90724820
Could we talk about how well either of these would work against Homeworld?

>>90726359
I'm back.

>>90728105
I suppose using beings made out of Dust is cheating, the shit is basically magic as far as what it can do does.

>>90724725

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDcELUCroDs

>>90728091
They have a fucking food court planet

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>>90728091
Despite Zim's insanity and frequent incompetence/total logic failure, he is actually pretty fearsome when he wants to be.

Remember The Wettening? And the time he got sent to that Drill-Camp Planet?

>>90724876
>Neglected relic establishment of a dead leader that the high command only keep around for sentimental purposes
>"secure base"

>>90724725
any faction from the warhammer 40k universe,personally i like the tau so i gonna say them

>>90728123
That was quick.
Her front or her back?

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>>90728133
>CUT US LOOOOOOOOSE

That shit was terrifying when I was a kid and its still maximum spoops now.

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>>90728106
I remember that someone did the math on the amount of force it would take to crack a gem based on that episode where Amy falls off one of her mountains of trash. Apparently it's around the amount of force a shotgun would have put on it. I think a phaser would be able to outdo a shotgun and if for whatever technobabble reason a phaser just doesn't work against them they can always bring out the TR-116 rifles.

>>90728105
That Star Trek list is one of the truest things I've seen in my life.

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>>90724725

>>90728138
A Food-Court planet so vast and full of people that it periodically creates a space-time anomoly called "The Foodening".

>>90728180
Her front m8. Although I'm not picky.

>>90728208
You are taking the "joke" of it and the entire series way too seriously.

Again I point towards the Martians from Looney Tunes, who may I remind you have the power to destroy entire planets because they block the view of other planets.

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>>90728187
Given this is Star Trek, some kind of weird techno-babble reaction would occurr and cause the Gem to explode or something. Possibly more-so if it's a Tetryon or Anti-Proton weapon.

>>90728185
>That shit was terrifying
THAT was scary for you? hohoho, I can only imagine what'll happen when you open this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcIoaHKjTZE

>>90728107
What's there to talk about on the second one?

>Superior firepower
>Superior durability
>Superior size to even a Diamond
>Superior method of transportation
>Superior combining ability(Gestalts are literally giant robot+other sometimes bigger giant robots)
>Rengen kinda varies, because sometime TF's can be literally blown to chunks and come out just fine, othertimes a bad stab into their cores are death incarnate, but they'd at least be comparable.
>Equal in numbers but most all of them are war-capable
>Millions of years of war bred out superior fighting capabilities
>They fucking have Metroplex and Trypticon
>They're fucking giant robots versus pretty damn fragile by comparison rock lesbians

This isn't much of a debate.

>>90728292
It would be awesome, and oppositional.
Like they were made for each other.

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>>90728278
Homeworld 2 was good but it didn't have the same atmosphere 2 or cataclysm had.

That and I can't help but think Bring Sajuuk to bear every time I think of HW2.

>>90726111
Until they seed a red sun world with cryptonite... but even then they'd probably cock it up.

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>>90724725
Ahem.

>>90728329
honestly, I replayed it when remaster was announced and I feel like it's very generic sci-fi, but music and nomadic themes struck a nerve with me, literally 10/10.
Not to mention THAT scene and how satisfied fleet-ops sounds when he proclaims "subject did not survive the interrogation"

>>90726139
ehhh... I don't know about this one.

>>90724725
Terrans. Handedly in a ground war at least. Machine guns are a concept truly beyond their imagination.

>>90724725
human twelve year olds aparently. they don't seem like a big threat. maybe just call some bobbies if things get out of hand.

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>>90728380
>subject did not survive the interrogation
Goddamn right he didn't survive the interrogation

>>90728263
Are you trying to say that SU is more serious on world conquering? Both the Irkans and Gems have yet to take over Earth, but we already established that Irkens have so many planets under their belt, that they made one into a food court. What planets do the Gems have?
I also don't care about the tones of the cartoons. I only care about comparing the feats of the Gems and Irkens.

>>90725535
I dunno, if era 1 Peridots had Metalokinesis as a given that turns into a bit of a bad matchup, and like, six fused quartzes could equal a transformer in size and WAY beat it in strength.

Remember gems are STUPID strong (can rip metal with their bear hands), and seem to exponentially increase in size and strength with the number of gems fuzed, with two being about the size of them standing on each others shoulders and five being the size of a large hill, and a couple of thousand a small planetoid.

>>90726111
Dude come on, Kryptonite is a crystal.

>>90726984
I dunno, they both eat planets though the gems take fucking forever, but the diamond authority does have HARD gravity engine ftl and could probably pancake pretty much any non-ftl fleet with their blackhole engines.

To out power the diamond authority you need to not be relaying on physical strength or blasty weapons and be instant-transmission/telaportation level ftl (or alternate dimension travel) and have counters to paradox free time travel and lightspeed+ kinetic strikes.

Their main tech advantages are magic-level object specific planet wide telekinesis, gravity-based/alcuibiare ftl, physical strength and shapeshifting.

They are stupid weak to conventional weapons in person though, you could kill pretty much any gem with an AT rifle (so long as you can hit their gem) from what we have seen, but in person combat is not so relevent to lightspeed+ trans-galactic empires other than for colonization.

The Culture could probably beat em easy.

>>90726355
It's not planetside. There's also only like 50 humans.

>>90728365
And now they have a Kryptonian Battle Cruiser destroying that sun and everything in else in that galaxy.

Those things were way too op.

>>90728442
>The Culture could probably beat em easy.
The Culture is unfair because they're op as fuck. They're fairly high tier.

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>>90726117
No.

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>>90727431

Don't forget the Nobodies.

>>90725180
ANON
THAT ONE NEXT TO THE STEVEN UNIVERSE and GURREN LAGUAN

is that a mother fucking spiral knights reference?!?!?!

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>>90725180
>Ur Quan

You're alright kid.

Gem Empire is a 40k tier threat to multiple galaxies.

the only reason they let Rose win. Was because they decided the earth was better suited to grow a planet buster weapon in.

>>90728420
And Adagio for Strings plays... holy shit, only time when a videogame actually made me cry. And it's so sudden, you expect another tutorial mission, but NOPE, your people are dead, here's enemies, exact just revenge upon them, except, they were kinda right to attack you and you're genociding because you're angry as fuck and must face the consequences. DAMN RIGHT I WILL GENOCIDE. NEVER FORGET.
NOT
EVEN
A
BEACON

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>>90728511
fuck for got the image
>>90725180

>>90728458
That's fifty symbiotes, 50 SYMBIOTES.

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>>90728442
>Dude come on, Kryptonite is a crystal.

One that can't fly or erase from the multiverse. That shit is created and then forced back into the primordial stage of it's life or erased entirely from the Multiverse.

Kryptonians are op as shit, m8.

>>90726760
Nope, the only way they could harm them is to give them a great bloody hug. Even then, some gems would be invulnerable to acid.

>>90726792
That would be fun as hell.

>>90727537
A species that took it too far

>>90727509
Phyrexia is cheating

>>90728604
>implying they aren't perfection

>>90726964
What about the Cluster? or all the Gems combined into a mega-being?

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YOUR FUTILE ATTEMPTS AT NAMING SPECIES GREATER THAN REGIS, MARK V, ARE.... FUTILE

>>90728442
>I dunno, if era 1 Peridots had Metalokinesis as a given that turns into a bit of a bad matchup, and like, six fused quartzes could equal a transformer in size and WAY beat it in strength.

Neither is true for a combiner, Devastator would outsize and out muscle any fused gem. And unlike Gems, they don't seem to lose intelligence and skill the more they gain, and stability of relationships play no part in any of this.

>Remember gems are STUPID strong (can rip metal with their bear hands)

Which is really not that impressive to a giant machine who is also way better armed in firepower.

> and seem to exponentially increase in size and strength with the number of gems fuzed,

Unlike Gestalts? Also, unlike gems, they don't become more vulnerable due to their weak spots being more obvious.

> and a couple of thousand a small planetoid. \

The cluster is mostly harmless unless someone commands it though, it's a weapon but not a viable threat without allowing it to just blow up the planet, and if planet level destruction is on the table TF's have a fuckton of those, just no reason to ever actually use them.

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>>90728428
Fuck me sideways you're dense, fine, compare Clifford the Big Red Dog to Godzilla too for all I care.

>>90728542
Damn HW was so fun. That part made me cry too.

Though I cried more through Nier

Gems are pretty shit in terms of conquerors, so I'm trying to think of the low bar in terms of what could beat them or give them a fair fight.

I suppose enough Gems could eventually take down a Predator, but if the Predator's there in the first place it's just for sport, and he'd still rack up a respectable number of trophies. And that's just a lone hunter.

>>90727174
I'm pretty sure the DA would take the destruction of potential colony worlds as an act of war.

>>90728706
okay, you's a bitch

>>90725180
SIEG ZEON

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>>90728749
Nah nier is great

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MEEGA NALA QWEESTA!

>>90728497
Who could remember them? Just a bunch of nobodies.

>>90728713
Honestly, given the shit Predators pull out if one's hunting Gems then the biggest inconvenience will be keeping them from reforming after poofing them.

>>90728699
Prove to me what the Gems did in their conquering that makes them superior to Irkens.

>>90726964
I don't think you appreciate how utterly vast and huge the Gems are.

As of 5000/6000 years ago. They held dozens of worlds across at least 2 galaxies.
>nearly immortal
>ftl space travel and even faster teleportation network. seriously, lapis made it back to Homeworld in another galaxy in months.
>one gem spaceship on a appropriate world can be millions of gems in a few hundred years. thanks to kindergarten technology.
>if you beat back their infestation. they just gather up their shards and leave a planet buster weapon to grow underground.
>time travel
>prescience
>can lift oceans

>>90725092
Nigga the Great Spirit Robot would fuck up most aliens. It can pull planets out of orbit and crash them into each other.

>>90726374
>>90726227
>>90725989
>gremlins got more "art" than anything else in the game
I'm still mad

>>90728869
And the galactic empire of the foundation series held 25 million worlds. Get on their level

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>alien

>>90727619
Galaxies are moving apart faster and faster, even if we had a light-1 ship this instant we'd never catch anything outside of our galactic region.

>>90728940
>cringe

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are gems organic?
Doesn't really matter cause everyone else is

>>90728869
They can travel nonsensically fast, fine, but weapons tech is pretty meh. They've expanded as any kind of a military threat in a version of reality when human history reads like Care Bears.

Actually wouldn't be surprised to find the Care Bears were a galactic power in that storyverse as well.

>>90727172
gotta give frieza credit where its due.

if he can beat the saiyans, he can beat their female rock counterparts.

>>90728879
I kind of meant the inhabitants invading homeworld.

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>>90726117
Honestly? That'll just make things worse for the Diamond Authority as well.

>>90728998
if you take all the Gem feats and remove it from the context of Sugar's singing and crying show. The Gems are ridiculously powerful.

>>90725310
How well would a predator's imaging track a gem? They rely a lot of infrared, right?

>>90729067
The mask can cycle through different vision modes.

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Saiyans would shitstomp, hell raditz was a planetbuster, he could solo a decent portion of the gems

>>90725310
all you have to do is poof a gem then put something around it to keep it from reforming.

>>90729108
Why is genderswapped DBZ so great?

>>90728931
The foundation empire at their height might be stronger than even the 40k imperium

>>90728957
We have our local group of galaxies and everything else is beyond us without spacial warp/distance skip/dimensional blink techs that we've no concept for atm.

There was a breakdown on YouTube that did the math if you had between a 1% and 10% speed of light drive, an AI pilot and a ship full of testtube babies: if we spread from habitable planet to habitable planet exactly like a virus replicates, even never getting anywhere near the speed of light we could colonize the local group in a million years or some such.

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>>90725808
>>90724725

The Orks would have a laff lootin their tech and make orkified gems.

However, I also want them to fight the Necrons just to see Trazyn stealing from homeworld. And being a troll about it.

>>90729108
ok raditz stomped a planet of Gems and destroyed that planet.

now there are dozens of other gem ships arriving on new worlds and setting up kindergartens. those planets will send out hundreds of more ships with kindergarten tech. to set up on hundreds of more worlds.

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>>90728105
>wesley tier

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>>90729143
Because, goku was always cute, and being a girl amplifies his cuteness

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>>90724725
Either of these guys.

fuck SU

>>90728998
Plus the gems apparently have a resource shortage despite their massive multi-galaxy spanning girth. Which implies some pretty damning issues with either the production of gems or the state of the gem empire

>>90729178
How many of those worlds stop producing gems after three-four disgruntled, mixbreeding lesbos decide to turn the machines off and hug trees for the next 10,000 years?

I'm with saiyan anon, Raditz has time.

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>>90724725
I would really want to see the Gem empire go toe-to-toe with the Galactic federation.

Just to see how either side wages war.

>>90729178
raditz was a low level warrior, and they wouldn't have time to set up a kindergarten. Each colony would get shit stomped by a team of saiyans before they could make any notable progress

>>90729013
Pretty sure the Brotherhood of Makuta would be enough to win.

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>>90724725
Cybertronians would make for a good match, but that brings up two different scenarios.

The Autobots would start by giving them a stern warning, letting them know exactly why what they're doing is wrong, how they all have witnessed something similar in the millions of years they have been alive, and why the actions of the Diamonds will ultimately bring doom to their species, before engaging the Gems directly. Military engagements would favor the Autobots initially and only be strengthened by Gem reinforcements to the Autobot cause, as the hold the Diamonds have on their forces is not as iron-tight as may seem and the Autobots' nobility and willingness to spare defeated foes would start swaying some of the more open-minded Gems to revolt against the Diamonds. If it were the Autobots leading the fight, the Diamonds would ultimately be beaten by a combined Autobot/Gem Rebel force that would make the Crystal Gems at their height look like an anthill next to a mountain.

Decepticons would make for a more brutal campaign against them, but face more setbacks due to patented Decepticon hubris and backstabbing. Some among their ranks would be absolutely giddy over going mad scientist with Gem tech and having loyal, disposable, and easily manufactured warriors to bolster their ranks, others would want nothing more than to see them all destroyed, others would be looking into improving Gestalt technology with the Gems' Fusion abilities, and fucking Starscream would screw the Decepticons out of a few victories. Ultimately though they would come out on top as well, and their victory would be far more brutal and bode far worse for the Gems.

>>90729256
Gems have time. They live for hundreds of thousands of years and think a few thousand years is not that long of time.

>>90729271
even if the saiyans could match travel speed. they have to know where to go. they would have to search every planet that naturally bears organic life.

They could send a ship to just go hide somewhere in the middle of nowhere and wait thousands of years.

the Gems can crack down and reinvent time travel. allowing them to set up a kindergarten on the Saiyan homeworld before the Saiyans could fight back.

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I bet they can be beat by fuckin Tiny Rick!

>>90729286
>Autobot/Gem Rebel force
Shit, I kinda wanna see that now

>>90729043

This.

The fact that they had time travel capable of creating essentially infinite time duplicates 6000 YEARS AGO and their tech level has since improved alone makes them sort of unbeatable if they are using their tools even halfway competently.

Future Vision + time travel + a duplicator means I could beat most scifi alien races with ease. I know most of your moves in advance and have more than enough warning to time travel back to the start of the battle until I find the path to victory. With a duplicator, I can have infinite time machines for my army, as well as solving any other conceivable resource issue. If your weapons are better than mine, I only need to steal one of them in any given timeloop to outfit my entire army with perfect copies of that weapon in all future loops and battles.

You can never outmaneuver me, never out plan me, and never outgun me. And that's utilizing only a very, very small portion of the gem's powers.

You have to remember that, in the show, Homeworld by and large doesn consider Earth to be important anymore, much less a threat. They only sent 2 gems to check up on the cluster and Earth because Earth is basically written off as 'rampant weapons development testing ground, unsafe to land' for the past 5000 years. They weren't expecting any infiltrators at the zoo because as far as they know there are like 4 gems in the universe total who are not friendlies and they shouldn't have any FTL anyway. So any gem that shows up is presumed to be on their side.

>>90724725

It's kind of retarded to propose hypotheticals when we don't really know anything about Homeworld, isn't it?

>>90728813
I'm sure they can develop some kind of apparatus to keep them contained, if they haven't already. I don't think Gems can even reform if they're lodged into something, so just some kind of mechanical brace or container that tightens around them would probably work.

An intact gem is a better trophy, after all.

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>>90729397
gems have a homeworld, it any other notable gem planets and the diamonds would get shattered lickety split leaving the rest of the gems without leadership destroying their caste system leading to a whole bunch of planets like earth with a few gems living on them doing whatever

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>>90724725
The Anti-Spiral

Although gems can't reproduced and evolve so it doesn't matter

>>90729456
Yes.

As >>90729426
shows it is just alot of headcanon retardation.

>>90729403
nothing can beat Rick.

He is basically Shuma'Gorath in the form of a alcoholic Hispanic mad scientist.

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>>90724725
I'm gonna steal your shit, cover it in spikes, and throw it right back at your face.
Enjoy your second Rose Rebellion, bitch.

>>90729426
One small thing.
I have a mask that if destroyed it destroys time itself.

>>90729524
So who's the asshole with mommy issues that'll start it?

>>90729522
I think Sanchez is a pseudonym

who doesn't want to be known as Dirty Sanchez?

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>>90729570
DIRTY DICK SANCHEZ

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>>90729286
The Decepticons would probably raze Homeworld and hollow it out in search of Energon. It would basically be giving the Gems a taste of their own medicine.

>>90729606
Would it be pure energon or dark energon?

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>>90724725
>Gems can't go light speed without drag
Check mate

>>90729286

I think the gems have a pretty big advantage in fighting the cybertronians (and indeed, many aliens) in that its surprisingly hard to actually kill a gem. Even poofing one isn't as easy as it would first appearing (we have now seen two different gems of wildly different power levels survive falls from orbit unharmed, not even poofed!) and poofing basically turns what would be a lethal injury to any reasonable enemy into what is likely a minor inconvenience and temporary vulnerability.

This, plus bubbling and teleporting bubbled gems (something which apparently doesn't actually require the temple, Peridot can do it herself. It just sends the bubbled thing "home") means that even poofed gems can be easily retrieved and sent to safety by nearby comrades.

Its hard to adequately express how fucking major that sort of easy recovery and short heal time is in a war. Unless they suffer a completely one sided battle that wipes them all out before they can tend to fallen gems, 90% of 'defeated' gems just need a short breather before they are back at fighting strength. While its true that attacking the gem directly will kill them, even gems of the same type don't have their gems in the same body part (see the team of rubies) so that means that attacking the gems with precision requires you to stop and seek out the gem for each target individually, which you won't have time for in most battle setups.

Fusion exacerbates this problem, because taking too much damage as a fusion just seems to pop the gems back to their individual forms. So fusion is basically an 'extra life' in a fight, making you both harder to kill since you are more durable and making the first 'death' have no consequences.

The Insects and Ravagers from EDF.

Gems don't even have guns, let alone guns that can cause enough collateral damage to get the job done.

>>90729522
>"M-Morty, the G-urp-Gems are coming and they're, and they're gonna destroy the whole world, Morty."

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How incompetent are these guys?

I don't know much about SU.

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>>90725180
>Moonites
>Clockwork Stars
Nice.

>>90724725
>>90729628
Tell me, to my face, right now, what the fuck the Gem Homeworld could possibly do about the Quad Laser, let alone the Quad Glacier.

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>>90729619
Pretty sure dark energon is manufactured or comes from Unicron himself.

You know what would be really fun?
Dark energon bombing the gem kindergartens to see what happens to the incubating gems.

>>90729717
That would basically be the non-organic-lifeform version of biological warfare, right?

>>90729717
>Automatically corrupted gems are born.
>They explode in the thousands each more aggressive then normal.
Primus help us all.

>>90728377
I don't think you can consider the gems Ningens.

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I can't imagine the gems standing much of chance against Metroid's Space Pirates

>>90729658
The difficult of poofing a gem seems to depend on how you go about it. It seems like blunt force impact spread throughout the body, such as a fall, is more easily survivable, but being stabbed by even a regular sword is enough to poof them. This is probably because their bodies are naturally designed around high-G space travel, but not combat. Even if they're conquerors, Gems don't seem naturally adapted for war.
Furthermore, Amethyst, a warrior caste gem, was cracked by a fall onto a rock at no greater than terminal velocity, so the gems themselves aren't invulnerable; they're likely identical in durability to regular gemstones.

What this means is that you have to deliver a coup de grace immediately after landing one sufficiently lethal blow, which isn't necessarily difficult depending on what you use, or by adapting tactics. I maintain that fragmentation would be quite effective for both destroying their body and gem.

>>90729686
They're pretty competent overall, just really salty that one of them got btfo

>>90729819
Or, fuck, what about Samus herself? Samus vs the Homeworld Gems. How's that for a Metroid game?

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>>90724725
Get off my planet.

>>90728409
>Machine guns are a concept truly beyond their imagination.
Holy fuck, you've really just never seen the show. Why are you even posting here?

>>90729686
Well one of them managed to get killed, and the others let a handful of degenerate gems get away with everything.

>>90727339
>Matter Conversion
It really bugs me how they haven't weaponized this. Invading Klingons? Now they're cupcakes. Their ship's shields? Now they're rice paper. The ship itself? Hope they still like it when all the metal gets turned into acid.

>>90729883
>It really bugs me how they haven't weaponized this.
Well that'd just be unsporting, wouldn't it?

>>90724725
Freeza's empire.

>>90729686
Probably not very. Their biggest threat seems to come from other gems, considering there's no mention of a rival species, and humans themselves in SUverse lack our warring ability. They mostly rule via a tightly enforced caste system with little challenge outside Rose's rebellion, so it's not like their mettle is tested very often.

And, this is probably due to their lifespans, but they seem slow to adapt and slow to grow in terms of technology.
For the record, all of human history is within a roughly 10,000 year time period, and we've seen a HUGE technological boom in the last century or so. What have Gems advanced in the last 10,000 years?

>>90729867
after the fusion killed Pink Diamond. The Diamonds basically decided the planet wasn't worth their efforts to reclaim. They unleashed a corruption weapon to wipe out any gems left on the surface. Then let a giant weapon grow. So it would one day shatter the Earth and be of use to Homeworld.

>>90729686
An obese 14 years old with the mindset of a 10 years old is the greatest menace to an intergalactic empire composed of immortal light-based beings that has existed for at least 5,000 years who have mastered FTL technology, warp dimmensions, time-travelling machines and where all members have at least a certain amount of control over elements like water, metals and electricity, who can fuse between each other to make even more powerful beings, indeed, a race that was canonically engineered to conquer planets and expand for ever.

They are as incompetent as the plot requires it for the fat kid and 4 lesbians to have a chance against them... so they are highly incompetent.

>>90729946
>What have Gems advanced in the last 10,000 years?


warp drive and slightly more powerful pew weapons from the looks of it.

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>>90724725
Gems have minerals worth devouring in them don't they?

>>90729883
cloaked ships with advanced teleporters and the saved teleportation data of a crewman.

you sneak up on a ship and just start turning everyone into copies of Crewman Gary. The ship will be taken with barely any fighting.

>>90727339
>Teleportation
>Matter/Energy Conversion.
>Total Planetary Destruction.
>Inter-dimensional Travel
>Inter-Universal Travel
>Time-Travel
>Trans-Warp Travel
Okay, now name some abilities the Gems haven't already matched.

>>90730005
Peridot's ship was immune to the fire from 4 of Rose's Laser Light Cannons, and Opal's fully charged bow shot.

One laser light cannon was able to destroy a Red Eye observation drone.

>>90730005
Plus they upgraded the OS their spaceships use so now their IT guys don't know how to use their old shit.

>>90728713
>Gems are pretty shit in terms of conquerors
Their empire spans multiple galaxies, so that already puts them ahead of most of the Marvel alien empires, who generally control one at most, and fall to small groups of superheroes. In response to
>>90727002
>The Skrulls
>The Kri
>The Shi'ar
>The Technarchy
>The Brood
I honestly think Gems would mop the floor with all of them. Celestials would stomp them, and the Annihilation wave too, but Skrulls and the rest are fucking chumps that lose to Earth all the time, while Gems only ever lost to Earth because of other gems protecting the humans.

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The Jurai Empire from the Tenchi Muyo OVA series/canon, which included GXP. No fucking contest either, prove me wrong.

>>90727940
They would probably find gems impossible to work as synths and would use them for slave labor, or wipe them out entirely due to their odd physiology.

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Silver Moon Crystal Power, Make Up. Wannabes

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>>90724725
Irkens
They're pretty much Gems without the emotional baggage or pretenses of maturity.
Even Zim. The worst of their kind is capable of unparalleled destruction whenever he feels like it.

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>>90727339
I thought lore had said that several Primarchs (mostly the ones that would eventually go Chaos) wiped several species out during the great crusade. There's also the case of a Human/Empire that the Imperium found and offer the Humans a chance to live if they betrayed their alien comrades. The humans refused and so the Imperium wiped both out, and apparently the last thing their leader said was "We only wanted to be left alone."

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>>90724725
Maybe anything sound based?

>Or Agent Smith could hack them all..

>>90730166
everyone loses to earth. that's not a valid metric.

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*poyo*

>>90729403
I like Rick & Morty but bare in mind that Rick has been beaten before.

>>90729286
>>90729606
>>90729658
>>90729717
>>90729803
>>90729821
Jumping on the Gems v. Transformers bandwagon.
I'd like to throw one consideration into the mix: culture and history.
The Gems have been going around and either conquering or eradicating lesser species for a very long time without any major opposition. They are not used to fighting an equal force. They've grown arrogant and lazy.
The Transformers on the other hand have been fighting themselves and other horrific threats like the quintessons and fucking UNICRON for millions upon millions of years. They are very familiar with strife and adversity. They have become quite skilled at wrecking house.
These facts should be taken into consideration.

>>90730259
>everyone loses to earth
In Marvel maybe, but they have armies of disposable mooks against Earth's disproportionate superpowers.

All the same, different metric. Name one time the Skrulls have won against literally ANYONE.
Meanwhile, The Rick and Morty Galactic Federation has made Earth completely their bitch off-screen. Skrulls just kind of suck.