Justice League (2017)

>>90683689
Here we go.

>>90683689
Divided.
Regular /co/ is either apprehensive or hopeful about this movie.
The five Snyderfags who run around every so often will defend it to death before the movie's even out.

kino

>>90683689
>>90683796
>>90683832

See?

>>90683796
The trailer makes it very fucking tryhard, not gonna lie. It doesn't have any charm whatsoever.

ACADEMY AWARD WINNING DC CINEMATIC UNIVERSE!!!

>>90683873
*look

>>90683885
Oy vey.

>>90683689
>that terrible music
>drunkard Aquaman
>QUIPS
>QUIPS
>QUIPS
>QUIPS
Well that's that, I think I'll go rewatch Jonah Hex instead.

>>90683689
I'm hype, Snyder's stuff is divisive on /co/ so its more or less half excited and half dreading.

>>90683689

It's nothing to worry about, anon.

It's the same as the complaints about Heath Joker and Batfleck and Johnny Storm Cap.

We don't even have a real teaser, just a lot of reporting from a set visit and a lot of criticism (not that any of it is underserved, my personal expectations are fairly low). But movies should be judge on the movie itself. And it doesn't necessarily follow that prior performance will be reflected on future product with movies, or the people that hated the first Hulk, or the Affleck Daredevil, or didn't like TASM/TASM2 as much as they should have, would have hated anything with a Marvel character. Or, if you prefer, the people who hated the first Hulk would have hated every other Ang Lee film, or every other Eric Bana film (he certainly didn't help his career with following this up with Troy), or likewise Ben Affleck would have no career today given the jokes, Bennifer, Gigli, etc. etc.

Wait till the first trailer is out and then check out reactions then.

>>90684015>>90683873
its not a real trailer

Reminder that if you aren't unconditionally ecstatic for this movie then your are automatically an evil Marvel shill/cuck and probably don't even really exist as a real person.

>>90684207
Except looking back at Snyder's filmography and the haphazard set up of the DCEU with half the characters not even having set dates for their own movies there's not really a whole lot to be optimistic about here.

>>90684296
that's entirely subjective though

>>90684338
So is Hitler's Nazi Germany, but the general and overwhelming consensus is still that it was a horrific display of humanity at its worst.

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>>90683771
This

>>90684380
Good thing that doesnt apply here then?

>>90684437
Looking at audience reception and critic reviews as well as comparatively under-performing box office and physical format sales.... yeah it kind of does apply.

>>90684207
> MOS trailer comes out
> "Finally the DC Movie we've all been waiting for! Now Marvel will see how it is done!"

> BVS trailer comes out
> "MCU a kill! THIS FOOTAGE HAS WON COMICON 3 YEARS IN A ROW! THIS IS DC's COMEBACK!!!"

> Suicide Squad trailer comes out
> "Mom's gonna Freak!"

> Wonder Woman Trailer
> "Let's make threads for Wonder Woman cheesecake and pretend we cared about the character all along. It might not be awful."

The actually Justic League trailer will probably have Kid Rock's "American Bad Ass" as the music.

>>90684380
and then theres the retard who has to bring up hitler and germany

>>90684514
The point is that "subjective" is an utterly meaningless metric in any relevant context here.

>>90684492
Should've gotten Stone Cold Steve Austin to play Aquaman.

>>90684492
And people will lose their shit, start calling Snyder the second coming of christ and say kino this kino that, how can marvel even compete yadda yadda the works.

Then the same people won't accept it if it fails, calling those that call it a failure, "mouseketeer" and the like.

Sad, really.

>>90684456
so a positive audience reception, suicide squad doing way better then predicted and bvs and ss being a major seller on dvd and blu-ray, not to mention merch sales

>>90684592
i think you've just fallen for shitposting a bit to often

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I just want the trailer

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>>90683689
I remember leaving BvS and seeing all of the faces of the kids leaving the theatre with their superman and Batman shirts and a sea of depression and confusion, they looked up at their parents who couldn't really give an explanation of anything because nothing made sense in that movie. If you want to delude yourself that the DCU is good fine, I can understand it on some level, god knows I have my own garbage I love but stop forcing your terrible opinions on the masses

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>>90684591
Still waiting for the WWE / DCEU crossover movie.

>>90683689
There's going to be an endless amount of shitposting no matter how good or bad it is

>>90684700
Did he knock out Ben, or something?

>>90684632
Do you count confused children and steep drop offs in ticket sales good audience reception? If anything word of mouth sunk the theater lifespan of every DCEU flick.

And suicide squad doing better than predicted according to who exactly?

BVS and SS were both outsold on dvd and blu-ray by Civil War, Deadpool and Dreamworks Pets.

Merch Sales are an obligatory factor only even relevant to SS because of it's target audience being Hot Topic Twinks.

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>>90684782
I'll stick with the refined storylines of Japanese Wrestling animation, thank you very much.

>>90684200
>divisive
It's not really divisive when it is just 5 autists spaming and people baiting.

>>90684855
i count sales and what i see and hear as good audience reception, bvs, mos and ss all have fairly positive scores.

>And suicide squad doing better than predicted according to who exactly?
according to /co/ pre August

>BVS and SS were both outsold on dvd and blu-ray by Civil War, Deadpool and Dreamworks Pets.
And? The MCU is more popular, no shit it'll sell more. Doesn't negate that both films sold a shit ton.

>Merch Sales are an obligatory factor only even relevant to SS because of it's target audience being Hot Topic Twinks.
Hot Topic's only in America bud, and even then have you actually been in one? Its mostly MCU stuff and "geek culture" shirts and toys.

But no, SS merch had a much wider sales range then just hot topic twinks.

>>90683689
I want it to be good but I don't expect it to be

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>>90683689

>>90685192
>good audience reception

>>90685192
People going to the movies in droves and being disappointed isn't a good reception.

So /co/ is a professional standard to hold movie success to?

Pretty much every major movie of last year outsold BVS and SS in physical formats

Pretty Sure Deadpool has SS beat. Even then I wouldn't tout a movie a didn't like just because it was successful in some arbitrary aspect totally devoid of its quality as a movie.

Face it, the glass half full argument doesn't work here. These movies made what money they did because casuals love DC and wanted to see these mega blockbusters. What they got was disappointment, ergo why the ticket sales had no legs and even with extended ultra director cut DVD/Blu-Ray still got outsold by all the competition in town. But hey Suicide Squad sold a bunch of Hot Topic T-Shirts and Harley Quinn Halloween Costumes so I guess it's okay that the movie was an artistic and editorial abortion that not even the most hardened DCEU fanboy will defend as an actually good movie ("b-b-b-but it made money!").

>>90685344
Don't forget the Suicide Squad synergy comics and umpteen hundred Harley Quinn books out now.

>>90683689
>DCEU movie
>consensus
Pick one, lad. For every group that says their opinion is right, there will always be the other that is comparably significant that disagrees.

>>90685834
Except the vast majority seem to think unfavorably of the DCEU. Only a handful of /tv/ kinofans and shitposters legitimately defend them.

>>90684207
>It's the same as the complaints about Heath Joker and Batfleck and Johnny Storm Cap.
Except they were all squashed after the first appearance while the quality of the universe continues to be debated despite having had three opportunities to provide something the vast majority could agree on.

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>>90683689
I honestly don't care about the movie, and certainly enough not to purchase a ticket for it. Reasons for this are...

1) Leaked info shows that we're going to have a ton of quips thrown at us. Marvel already did this, it was humorous at the time, and now I'm burned out on it.
2) Leaked info shows it's going to have Parademons invading which = another otherworldly invasion of Earth which needs to be solely faced by a handful of super powered beings, which Marvel's already done (at least twice) and I couldn't give two shits to see it yet another time with DC characters.
3) Edgy 70's music leaked which Iron Man has already done to death. It was fun then, but DC doing it is another fucking rehash I couldn't care for.
4) Who. The fuck. Cares. about a CGI shit-fest named Cyborg? I'd be willing to sort of give the other characters a fair chance to win me over (although Supes has all the empathy of a dead tuna that Aquaman is standing on) but that Cyborg is a goddamned joke.

9+ bucks for this? Not from me.

>>90684227
And yet even with the "non trailer" it still looks horrible

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>>90684782
>digital HD ultraviolet
did i miss something?

>>90683689
It could be great, but given the people involved and their track record in the DECU I don't think we have any reason to believe it will be. I expect the cinematography to be the same as BvS, just with 20% more "I thought she was with you" style failed humour.

>>90685889
I know. I just don't like to presume things are the way everywhere else that they are here on 4chan. Anytime I see a post on facebook even remotely critical or skeptical of something being done in the DCEU, the defending comments are vast and numerous. That isn't to say that the criticisms aren't either, but I simply feel regardless of which may seem more numerous, of the two sides debating neither is as minuscule a minority as it may seem. Even here, there will be two threads at certain times where one is overwhelmed with one opinion with the other overwhelmed with the alternative. It's very easy to say one side is bigger, but I think it is more provable that there is no such thing as a consensus when it comes to the DCEU.

>>90686182
They stalk me still and worship her, though I appreciate the ozone alliance steps.

>>90684252
Well, that or someone who loves DC and is frustrated that what we've been given thus far comes so close and yet departs so far away from the universe full of favorite heroes we grew up consuming and comprehending as existing differently than the way the one Zack Snyder created does.
You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think I wish I could be hype as fuck for the first live action Justice League movie. Unfortunately my capacity for excitement rewards meritocractically, and unfortunately for WB and Zack and Chris, their efforts thus far have not elicited a positive enough reaction from me for me to find any reason to be excited for a movie that looks to be a Frankenstein's monster of libertarianism, and an obsession with deconstruction provided by Snyder, that was sent back to the shop by his corporate masters so it could be given hormone injections of quips and attempts at optimism, that if able to blend well with the preexisting chassis, probably still won't fit within the world built by the movies that preceded it, and will still have just as much an opportunity to fall victim to the editing butcher shop that massacred BvS and SS. Respectfully sir, I want to be excited for JL, but WB has given me too many reasons to not be. If you want to be excited, that is entirely your prerogative, and unlike yourself, I won't accuse you of being an agent of some nefarious agenda if you are. I simply want to go on the record to illustrate that a vast generalization that only Mouseketeers aren't hype is inaccurate and irresponsible because it couldn't be further from the truth.

>>90684814
Manlets have a perfectly logical trigger of going primal when they become aware of their being manlets.

>>90684296
Snyder track record is good, as for the movies that has nothing to do with this one but incompetent people like Johns and the other suits running like headless chickens

>>90684725
So idiots that took their kids to a movie that was said wasn't child friendly and expected a marvel movie got confused? How is that weird? In any case art should had a real effect in people, that's the difference between a movie and a flick, the flick is there just to entertain you for 2 hours.

JL will be shit tho, forced quips will kill it, I don't trust Snyder, he wasn't able to take the directors vision of bvs to the cinema, now after how divisive bvs was its impossible he will do a good job. Bvs was at least an honest film, this will be Snyder trying to do a movie and being gutted before he even started filming just like with sucker punch

>>90684855

superman merchandise sold better than in any year before, he demolished all Mcu characters in sales aside from Spiderman

>>90685344
>actually lying about stuff just because something you dislike is popular
how sad

>>90685889
nah that ain't true, i've seen plenty of people on here talk favourably about them. Well the Snyder ones anyway.

>>90683873
Packed a host of post credit stingers into the movie.

>>90684227
It's worse being actual footage.

>>90683689
>QUIPS

GET THIS MARVELSHIT OUT OF MY CAPEKINO!!!

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>>90687399
Superman should be child friendly anon I'm not saying all capeshit has to be but superman should be

>>90688329
why though, do you discount any darker superman story then?

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>>90683689
>Me personally, I love/hate this movie, I mean I will love/hate this movie: the thread

>>90688402
I suppose not but these movies should fundamentally be morallity tales for children so while the occasional Logan or deadpool is acceptable because of the characters if Snyder and Co are really trying to ape old myothlogical tales why not include the one major part of those tales which are lessons to pass on to the next generation

>>90688622
well you can certainly make a case for that with the overall theme of BvS.

>>90683689
>directed by Zack Snyder
Confirmed good.

>>90684782
The WWE universe will be invited for the Crisis.

>>90683689
I'm hyped

>>90684700
I'm pretty mad that the rumors of it coming out with Kong were fake. New rumors say it comes out in April. This is so annoying. They've been saying it would come out since December.

>>90688622
>>90688329
are you retarded? First off, Superman does not need to be happy, that is some pleb ass opinion right there.


Second, BvS is probably the ultimate morality tale, showing that even though your greatest heroes can doubt themselves and fail, its never too late to try again and keep trying no matter what.

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>>90688329
>Superman should be child friendly

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>>90688329
>child friendly

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>>90688329
>superman needs to be done in one tone

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>>90688329
>I know better than 75 years of comic writers what tone Superman should always be done in

eat shit and die

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>>90688329
>implying this scene could be done if Superman had never killed anyone

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>>90683689
Kind of unfair to judge just by one teaser but whatever. Trailer's clearly to show how the tone will differ from BvS. Wonder how much of a snyder movie this will be cause pretty sure they won't allow him to try to "elevate the genre". At worst it will turned into SS with more super powers. At best into something like X men apocalypse, a fun mess.

>>90691093
Snyder is the master at making great movies despite ridiculous constraints. I trust him completely.

>>90690352
>it's just an image so it can't be cute
Fuck off Superman, let me enjoy my waifus

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>Fifth time will be the charm!

>>90683689
Most people on the board think it looks like total dogshit.

There is a group of DCEU believers who are going through the Snyder Cycle of hope-optimism-disappointment-denial-hate-hope, and about five or six Snyderfags who will defend anything he makes to the death.

You'll probably get more responses from the believers because they're more invested in this whole thing. Everyone else has checked out in terms of interest. We want these films to be good, but every indication is that they're going to be shit.

>>90691745
>posting the fake Snyder cycle
The real one is:Snyder is announced to make a movie, people get butthurt, Snyder makes the movie, it's great, it triggers critics and casuals alike and makes tons of cash. Get over it.

>>90692629
And yet, thats the first time I've heard it suggested. >>90691745 I've seen enacted in real life At least once with BvS, arguably twice with MoS, but it has certainly begun the third time with JL.

>>90683689
fuck off

>>90684207
>It's the same as the complaints about Heath Joker and Batfleck and Johnny Storm Cap.

Except that the man who made MoS barely okay and BvS: TC unwatchable is still directing "Justice League" and is convinced that the fans don't get his vision.

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>>90684380

I think I love you.

Nothing but /tv/ shitposting.

>>90690352
>>90690361
>>90690397
>>90690428
>>90690585
>>90690614

Yeah, let's cite examples from Superman's history that are only poignant if you were already familiar with his lighter characterizations.
Dark stuff in a movie is fine, but let your hero be a hero. Not a brooding guy who's constantly being beset by mistakes and idiocy.

>>90693290
> Superman's history that are only poignant if you were already familiar with his lighter characterizations.

No, they are poignant within their stories regardless if you know the lighter stories or not. Nice excuse though and goal post moving.
> let your hero be a hero. Not a brooding guy who's constantly being beset by mistakes


So saving people from a fire, an exploding rocket, a flood, and a stranded ship, isn't heroism? Sacrificing yourself for the world isnt heroism?

and Superman only ever deals with one "mistake" and its him wondering if his presence is bringing more bad than good. Thats it. Everything else that Batman, the worker, Lex, etc. does are symptoms of that. Superman holds himself responsible for Wally becoming a terrorist, Batman becoming more radical, and, later, Lex creating Doomsday. And as he should, he is being too hard on himself sure, but taking responsibility like that is heroic. He struggles with it for not even 20 minutes and then realizes that he has to keep doing good no matte what.


If thats not heroism then IDK what is.

>>90683689
My heart is hopeful.

But my mind expects another fiasco.

>>90683689
I think /co/ is split between

1) Cynical bastards and Edgelords who want all Comic Movies to fail
2) MCU fanboys who want everything DC to fail
3) Snyder Loyalists who expect it to be the best DC film, and think that MoS and BvS were both Kino
4) The general majority, who avoids most of the company wars threads and is silently hopeful, but uncertain as to how likely success is.

>>90683689
>looks sideways
>"I need...friends..."
Is this a possible hint at Barry's inevitable troubles with Reverse Flash?

>>90693589
>saving people from a fire, an exploding rocket, a flood, and a stranded ship, isn't heroism?
Sure it is!
But when you have those moments amidst a sea of "The Universe Shits On Superman", you run either one of two risks.
One-
The dark setting makes those moments more notable.
Or two-
The dark setting undermines those moments since they have nothing to do with the themes going on.
And for me, MoS and BvS fell into the second one.
I can't really care about Superman doing good when the rest of the time he's being beset by people hating him or calling him a god.
Maybe Henry Cavill's just not that great of an actor. I would have liked to see more of him protesting against his father wanting to kill himself in the tornado, or when he's being surrounded by reverent South Americans, or when he sees flood survivors writing his symbol on their rooftops. Maybe him being kind of broody and passive was what they wanted, but it just didn't feel right at all to me.
Maybe Superman just did not get enough lines?
I dunno.
But that's how I feel.

>>90684543
Except it isn't, you fucking retard.

>>90694491
>The dark setting undermines those moments since they have nothing to do with the themes going on.


But it had everything to do with the themes, the whole point is that even if his presence is, at the moment, causing bad things and having a negative reaction, he cant just stop doing heroism, and he knows that. Regardless of what the world thinks of him he keeps doing good.


> I would have liked to see more of him protesting against his father wanting to kill himself in the tornado

Why? He didnt know his father would die, just that he told him to stay still. It came right after a moment where he told pa kent he wasnt his real dad, him listening to him unquestioningly is Clark showing that Pa Kent is his real dad, its Clark showing that he trusts him no matter what.

> or when he's being surrounded by reverent South Americans, or when he sees flood survivors writing his symbol on their rooftops.

But again you are missing the point. Superman has always been about letting humans make their own choices, their own decisions. His lack of action in response to these things is because he doesnt want to tell them how to live their lives or what to believe. Would telling them he is not a god have an ultimately negative effect? He just doesnt know and doesnt want to risk making the world even more polarized due to him existing.


And ultimately he does respond to all of the praise and misinformation about him, but not through words, through action. Superman sticking to his guns after his crisis of faith, his unrelenting belief in humanity, in Batman, his sacrifice to save the world sets the record straight more effectively than any word he would have uttered. The whole world, collectively, sees Superman as just a man, a man with incredible powers, who wanted to do good. Not a god. Not a demon.

>>90688402
Darker Superman stories work BECAUSE superman isn't dark himself.

>>90695245
aye right so we just gonna throw red son right out the window then

>>90695245
Thats not true and is an overly simplified way of looking things. They work because the character doesnt just operate in one tone. The original Superman stories still worked and Superman hadnt had the silver age, happy- go lucky stories that started the tone you hold on to.

>>90695435
Red Son superman wasn't dark.

He was just Communist.

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>>90695572
wat'chu saying bout communists

>>90695572
>Red Son
>not dark

what world you live in

>>90695065
>But again you are missing the point. Superman has always been about letting humans make their own choices, their own decisions. His lack of action in response to these things is because he doesnt want to tell them how to live their lives or what to believe.

So he doesn't even show that much discomfort in person, but in private he goes "Superman was never real. This symbol meant something on my home".
If anything that just makes Superman look passive aggressive.

>>90697274
He shows a lot of discomfort in person, and him having the crisis in private only happened as a result of everyone praising him and the senate building being bombed.

When your presence creates a terrorist attack, its enough to give anyone pause. And he gets over it in the very next scene. Stop nit picking and intentionally misrepresenting the movie.

Justice League will literally save the world and our culture

>>90697882
>And he gets over it in the very next scene.
I think you might be undermining your own point.

>>90698289
how? Is it not classic Superman to resolve an emotional crisis by remembering some words of wisdom from one of his many father figures or friends? Shit, his whole internal crisis in Ending Battle is resolved after one conversation at the end with his enemy.

>>90685344
stop trying to use deadpool as an example, that movie was mediocre at best, whith that shitty plot and forced jokes, made deadpool a fucking gay ass character, now is normies male harley quinn

>>90698394
>he felt bad about it
>he got over it in the next scene
You see nothing wrong with this sequence of statements?

>>90698682
He was feeling progressively worse, culminating in the senate scene, and then had his crisis (his lowest point, to mirror Batman's low point later). He took some time, hiked a mountain, remembered some words of wisdom, and got over it. He wasnt just suddenly sad out of no where, and no, he didnt need a whole movie of him getting progressively happier.


But please, tell me where the problem is and how it undermines my point at all.

>>90695065 this dude knows whats up

>>90698682
>Superman, of all people, shouldnt be able to quickly find hope again and get over his emotional crisis

its like you've never read a Superman comic.

>>90683689

It's going to be shit. Deep down everyone knows it's going to be shit, but some are still in denial.

>>90688329
>Superman should be child friendly

No.

Superman should be in good stories. Different tone, different stories for different publics

>>90684015
I mean yeah I'm not a fan either

but fuck you for calling the White Stripes terrible

>>90698842
>>90698824
>being this dense
Okay. I'm going to bed.
This is fruitless.

It's trying to hard to be logankino but has no actual deep heroes/antiheroes
So it's like trying to watch a fans version of a dark teletubbies that still doesn't get violent enough

>>90698887
You're right, since my one friend couldn't hang out today I've been in both of the major BvS threads today and goodness I've finally figured out my problem with the snyderverse, the moral of both MoS and BvS is basically "you can't save everybody" now I wouldn't mind this if the movies were only about this theme and we had scenes of an adult Clark hearing everything and he's just never able to stop it. but it's a tertiary theme at best. If I wanted to know that not everyone can be saved I'd stop posting here

I'm pretty hyped for it because I liked BvS.

>>90699708
Lesson of mos and bvs is You can do a shitty job and still not get fired

>>90699210
>I dont have an argument but you're wrong, you hear me, wrong!


You could at least attempt to explain yourself instead of saying "Well you just dont get it, so why should I bother to explain anything!"

Notice how I was able to explain my points.

>>90698840
Thanks amigo

>>90699933
>>90699708
That is not the major theme of BvS or MoS, I really dont know how you got that.


BvS is very obviously about how you should never stop trying to do and be good even if it seems like you can't or have messed up. Summed up in a sentence "Men can still be good."
MoS is basically Nature v Nurture, and it pulls an ol' Jack Kirby and answers with "yes."

>>90700522
>you should never stop trying to do and be good even if it seems like you can't or have messed up
yea but supernigga still fuckin died
nice message there, nig

>>90700652
ultimately his actions let the world see him for who he really is, a supernigga

>>90700726
>a supernigga that got stabbed through the fuckin chest and is currently sucking dirt
ftfy

>>90700765
is there any other kind of supernigga?

>>90700803
if u mean one that actually inspires ppl then yea nig

>>90700829
>implying him being dead didnt inspire everyone

but it literally made the world see that he was just a dude with powers, not a god or a demon, and that he really wanted to do good.

>>90700829
but his death literally inspired batnigga and wondernigga to become heroes again.

This thing is dead on arrival and will probably cancel the DCEU, forcing a hard reboot later. Dont misunderstand, I dont want a shitty JL movie, but given the choices that have been made, Im over the entire thing

>>90683841
see the greatness of based snyder

>>90683796
>Snyderfags

I refuse to believe that is anything but ironic at this point

>>90683689
Not a fan of:
>wired up Flash
>Broodingman
>Robot Bayformers extra
>nuff said
>Affleck's okay
>Samoan Aquabro who probably won't have more than 5 lines in the entire movie

If the WW movie can pull the DCU out of their own greased up dumpster fire, then I will see JL three times in the theatre.

>>90701002
>how could anyone possible like this movie I don't like! Rotten Tomatoes told me it was bad!!!

>>90701057
we know for a fact Flash gets another costume later in the movie, and Superman had every reason to brood for the 3 scenes he broods in when people are treating him like a god and bombing senate buildings due to his presence.

>>90683689
Don't let the memes fool you everyone knows its gonna be trash. you're living in pure delusion if you think otherwise

>>90701534
>if you disagree with me its a meme!!!

you are as pathetic as this guy

>>90701002

>>90684207
This level of delusion

>>90701602
>stating the fact that we dont have a real teaser is delusion now


you are insane

>>90688329
I agree with you anon. I don't know whether the people replying to you are trolling or not.

>>90683689
anyone else think that not doing the origin story for the characters then this movie like marvel did is a mistake all most feels like there trying to play catch up?

>>90686182
Ultraviolet is just a shitty proprietary digital download service that is sometimes rolled in with Blu Rays.

>>90701809
>tons of people say he is wrong and even make their points using evidence from the comics
>but they must all be trolls!!

holy shit you are crazy or just havent read more than 1 superman comic

>>90701893
No, because you dont fucking need solo movies. Seven Samurai didnt need solo movies, Wild Bunch didnt need solo movies, you are literally being brainwashed to believe there is only one "right" way to make cinematic universes. Fuck, there are plenty of stand alone animated JL movies that dont need solo movies. There is a whole series about the JL where they dont need fucking solo series.

>>90683689
I want it to be the most balls to the wall, grandiose, overblown, Zack Snydery movie ever
Dial up the religious imagery
Dial up Junkie XL's soundtrack
Make literally every shot a wide angle or an extreme close up
Make the fights 20 times as violent
Make the characters monologue for 5 minutes at a time

It'd be the craziest blockbuster ever made and basically case /co/ to choke and die on its own rage

>>90701893
You realize that Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury didn't have origin stories, right? Hell, people are bitching at Marvel for not giving Black Widow a solo.

>>90688329
>Superman should be child friendly
The guy himself? Sure.

Saying that Superman can't be in a story with a dark tone is literally cowardice though.

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I'm hopeful for Justice League. I like what Snyder has done so far with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman and I am both curious and excited for the final part of his Superman trilogy.

>>90683689
>What is the actual /co/ consensus on this movie so far?
That we haven't seen it.

>>90702646
Definitely agree with this. Snyder all the way.

I've been burned too badly by snyder/WB and what I've seen of this looks like everything I didn't like about the previous movies. And Cyborg ´Flash look fucking ridiculous.

Not going to pay to watch any of these movies anymore. GL should have taught me a long time ago,

>>90701893
>there trying to play catch up?
They most definitely are. MOS 2 was supposed to be made before BvS, until Avengers blew up the box office and WB decided they wanted in on those cape ensemble bilions.

I agree most of the heroes don't really need much introduction though, but these versions still need to be likable to the audience.

>Delicious moments where Bruce or Arthur manhandles Barry for reasons.


Please give me this Snyder.

>>90701809
I'm evil, we shouldn't ever try to be better than we are.

>>90701944
Finch you, for ever thinking that modern Hollywood could ever match that, I may be a marvel fag but I don't delud myself in thinking that these capeshit films could ever match genuine creativity from the real artists that made the basis of films inthr mid 20th century

>>90701944
I'm just going to post again just in case anyone could think you're right. You're wrong in every way shape or form and should kill yourself if you aren't just trolling

>>90702718

Hulk did

>>90688329
Superman is for all ages. But I do think titling a blockbuster BATMAN VS SUPERMAN, only to make it unwatchable for kids, is downright diabolical.

>>90704841
I'm no saying make it only for kids, I'm saying make it possible for kids to understand the premise, as if you're trying to encourage kids to read

>>90704827
They didn't waste more than 5 minutes in his movie doing backstory.

>>90704739
>Not being gay on /co/

Come on m8

>>90704841
It's PG-13 which I think was a fine rating. It's too bad most of the detractors were under 12 either physically or mentally.

>>90701944
for a live-action superhero cinematic universe, you really do need to establish the characters in their own movies first.

also protip, like none of those stand alone animated movies are even that good.

>>90703189
>Superman trilogy.
>superman is barely a character in BvS
>hes practicly out of JL until the final moment where hes needed to beat Steppenwolf

>>90705853
This is the kind of title and advertising (toys, shirts cereal) that attracts 7-8 year old kids. I was sitting inf front of two at my showing, Both were confused/bored, thought Superman was evil and was frightened by Batman.

>>90702646
It took me a couple of viewings of both MoS and BvS to get over my Not Muh but now I'm totally on board with Zack Attack. My only fear now is that JL is going to be ruined by studio infetterence.

In fact, any time a new director is announced for MoS2 or The Batman my concern grows.

>>90684700
Teaser will be shown at the event zack snyder will go to, trailer will be shown at wonder woman premier.

Its all marketing, zack said it himself they already got the trailer complete they are just waiting for the right moment to drop it. Currently they are fully promoting wonder woman.

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>>90683689
I'm looking forward to it. I loved MoS and liked BvS UE. I think it will be the biggest people pleaser out of the Snyder movies. Mainly because the studio is making him make the whole movie more lighthearted and no more major new twist on characters like what happened to Superman and Lex jr. Plus this is the first movie with Geoff Johns actual on, so we can see what changes from the past movies. And I am kinda glad that Snyder is the one to introduce Atlantis because his movies are always very pretty. Also I really want to see what he can do fighting wise for Aquaman and Flash because he did a great job with Bats and Supes. I don't know if it will be any good but I think there will be some aspects that I will very much enjoy.

Also can't wait to see how Superman will come back. I hope it's an "all hope is lost" scenario near the end with Batman being saved by Supes in the black suit.

>>90707098
Poor Cyborg. All he gets is a set of PJs and a LED light stuck to his head.

>>90707098
I didn't like MoS but I liked BvS

I hope this film is a little more 'hopeful' in tone, but that it doesn't descend into a quipfest. It seems like BvS's idea was that we jump in with both Bruce and Clark 'fallen' (Batman killing and Supes not believing in himself) and them rising up as they get their super friends and save the world

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>>90683689
>Consensus
Here's my opinion, though. And I think a lot of people will agree:

>Zack Snyder

>>90687431
According to who?

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>>90707767

This is just toys, but t-shirts nd adult stuff is even more superman inclined.

>>90694516
Except it is. To dismiss a general and widely accepted observation as "subjective" is nothing more than a meta ass pull that brings into question the very nature of interpersonal discourse on any level.

If you can't defend something without deconstructing the very pretense of supposition and the metacognitive perception of "truth" then all you're doing is backpedaling to the point where nothing can be validated or substantiated in any constructive manner.

>>90698568
No one is using it as an example of a good movie, just a movie that outdid everything the DCEU had to offer.

>>90707792
Even so, this only shows people like the character, not the movies. At best the merchandise argument is a stretch in validating the movies in relative manner other than that they reminded people that these characters exist. The fact anyone is even reduced to using merchandise in this argument is tantamount to bringing up parallel media like video games, comics & cartoons to validate the DCEU.

We saw a spike in Green Lantern merchandise sales when the movie came out, but that doesn't mean people liked the movie.

>>90683689
Bruce Wayne personally recruiting the Justice League seems weird to me.

>>90708066
He's their Iron Man so...

>>90708000
>Merch Sales are an obligatory factor only even relevant to SS because of it's target audience being Hot Topic Twinks.

IT was a marvelfag who start talking about that.
Also,
reminder that Captain america was less popular in 2016 than in 2015
>Merch Sales are an obligatory factor only even relevant to SS because of it's target audience being Hot Topic Twinks

Go fuck yourself

>>90708066
>Bruce Wayne personally recruiting the Justice League seems weird to me.

Why?

How many teams has he had?
This males sense in a world where he feels guilt pver his past actions. He is trying to pay his debt to the world.

>>90708170
Did it occur to you that there was less Captain America merchandise in 2016 than 2015?

>>90708170
And note how the person bringing it up was pointing out how irrelevant it is.

>>90708170
The fact that Cap sold less merch in 2016 than 2015 despite Civil War being a critically acclaimed success outperforming all other Cape movies that year while being well received by audiences and fans alike shows just how irrelevant merchandise is to people's reception of the movies.

>>90708207
>Did it occur to you that there was less Captain America merchandise in 201
Kek, sure, the year of Captain America Civil War there was less merch.

>>90708239
And i agree. Thing is i didnt said they were relevant.

>>90708282
Actually there wasn't very much merch for Civil War compared to previous cape films. Certainly not for toys.

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>>90683689
Dear god is that seriously the fucking movie poster?
Spoiler alert because fucking Superman is on it.
We all knew he was but they seemingly didn't give any shits.

So this is kind of neat because we all get to see what everyone thought the avengers was going to be, a multi million dollar train wreck where man is punished for his hubris in believing he can create a cinematic universe.

The cinimatography is still bleak as fuck.
They didn't make Barry blonde.
They didn't make Aquaman blonde.
Seriously, fucking Chris Hemsworth and Evans aren't blonde but someone somewhere found a bottle of blonde hair dye in hollywood.
Cyborg proves that they learned nothing from Green Lantern.
Batman recruiting outside of costume hurts me in a very special way.
They made Barry into fucking Sheldon from big bang theory.

>Will it bomb
No, not at all, it will absolutely turn a profit.
Batman v Superman made 873 mill at the box office.
X-Men: Apocalypse made 543.
My hope is that it does Fantastic Four (2015) numbers which was only 168 million but enough marketing will be pumped into Justice League to ensure that it doesn't happen.

There is my cynical view of the movie.

>>90708407
>Dear god is that seriously the fucking movie poster?
No