How strong would a Kryptonian/Saiyan hybrid be?

>>90611917
Utterly broken. Superboy Prime would die from a simple glare.

>>90611917
As strong as an ant, if an ant were THIS big!

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>>90611935

>>90611917
Barely at all. Saiyans have to nearly die to get their power increase. Goku got so strong because of constantly cheating death.

How often has Superman been brought to a state of nearly dead? Not outsmarted, or defeated because he's trying to hold back and not just wreck everything, I mean flat out went whole ham and got laid out to a point of dying.
I can't imagine it's something larger than I can count on my hands.

>>90611955
Neh.

>>90611973
The Death of Superman arc. All his other "deaths" like Superbro's have been different.

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>>90611983

as strong as the plot needs them to be

>>90611917
>racemixing

Saiyan blood would just dilute the Kryptonian genes.

>>90611917
So you want an alien that gets stronger from getting his ass kicked near death AND just by standing in the sun?

Who would Luthor need to combine/have an offspring with in order to counter such a monstrosity?

>>90611973
>Saiyans have to nearly die to get their power increase.

That shit is only used as a dumb plot device like twice during the Namek shit and thats it. It's forgotten about after that and never mentioned again.

Toriyama is also notoriously forgetful when it comes to not only characters but their abilities both major and minor so most likely it hasn't been at play in any real way since then.

The most consistent strength boosts have always come from training.

>>90611973
Zenkai boost would barely matter for a Kryptonian/Saiyan hybrid: he would get all the kryptonian powers, strenght and durability in base form and could use the saiyan blood to go SSJ.
I also think the SSJ form could increase the strenght of the other superpowers(like heat vision), but there is no way to verify this

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>>90612055
>That shit is only used as a dumb plot device like twice during the Namek shit and thats it. It's forgotten about after that and never mentioned again

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>>90612036
Female Broly.

>>90611917
Only thing Kryptonians offer saying is

Intelligence
Eye beams
Ice breath
X-ray vision
Space travel

I don't think its really worth it considering they want to get their ass kicked to a certain degree for strength boosts and everything else they replicate. The green K weakness is also a downside as well.

>>90612055
I haven't seen the anime version of super but it gets abused hardcore in the super manga.

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>>90612811
This, also Cell got a Zenkai boost after exploding on King Kai's planet.

>>90612772
Saiyans don't have even baseline invulnerability. They are fragile as fuck. When they pump up with Ki they get more durable but we've already seen Goku can be hurt with a normal goddamn rock, a bullet, or those shitty wrist lasers the Frieza goons use.

Remember that kid Goku, despite being a freakishly strong weirdo, still regularly got hurt by normal people using normal weapons. Not hurt badly, but usually because he was dodging or just kicking their asses instead of getting hurt.

On a scale of 1-100 of biological durability where humans are a 1, Saiyans are like a 3 and Kryptonians are a solid 90.

Anybody who says it wouldn't be broken is a fool. A kryptonian who can go SSJ levels is just broken.

>>90612872
Yes kryptonians have a baseline durability bonus. But again why would you want that when a big part of your power set is surviving near death experiences to come back twice as strong. Take for example Vegita on namek when he tried to get Krillean to fuck him up. Would have been impossible with a super aura.

I guess you could argue that you have to worry less about sniper bullets and other sneak attacks, but then you're just going to get nailed by krytponite bullets,bombs,etc.

>>90612872
but Durability was never their strong suite so its a moot point, destructive power is.

SSB Goku is far, far more destructive being than Superman could ever be (beyond Silver age goofy shit) the man could charge a beam and just swath it from side to side and destroy entire Solar systems with it.

I highly doubt Superman could really sustain much from Goku or Vegeta they are far faster and far better at fighting people near their own strength.

>>90612872
Kid Goku did shrug off magnum rounds and sniper bullets. They hurt like fuck but the worst they did was break his skin or knock him out.

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Not as strong as Satania. She would not even have to use half her power to defeat a Kryptonian/Saiyan hybrid.

>>90612811
>>90612864
Is the manga any good?

>>90612872
> Saiyans
> 3
> Kid Goku gets shot in the face and goed "owie"


Sure m8

More importantly, would that hybrid be the result of superman fucking a female saiyan or goku getting a kryptonian girl pregnant?

>>90613156
This is actually really important, if Goku is the father then the offspring will be a worthless jobber

>>90613082
My standards are shit but so far its been enjoyable. It runs about 1 arc behind the anime making it perfect for binging.

>>90613156
>Goku getting raped by a kryptonian girl

Fixed. One advantage to add to hybrid list would be the solar soaking power would be highly advantageous in the long run (kingdom come, superman man 1 million).

>>90611973
He forgot about this again. Goku Black gets more power every time he got hit meanwhile Goku and Vegeta almost die like 3 times yet they don't get a single power boost. What's up with that?

>>90613093
that had nothing to do with his saiyan heritage and everything to do with granpa gohan training him in the basics of ki martial arts

>>90613513
there;s diminishing returns on zenkai boosts and both goku and vegeta hit their soft cap waay back in the frieza saga.

black wasn't quite getting stronger because of zenkai boosts, instead the therwise insignificant zenkai boosts were letting him acclimate to goku's body at an accelerated rate

>>90612872
>Goku can be hurt with a normal goddamn rock

Source?

>>90612811
>>90612864

It's really not mentioned in Super. Black got his ass beat and was able recover very fast and got stronger. He wasn't close to dying, just got beat up.

Besides, the true power boost is messing with their loved ones.

Doesn't really matter anymore but why the fuck didn't Vegeta go ssj2 when Cell killed Trunks and not go ssj3 will Beerus knocked out Bulma?

>>90613910

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TM7XMr1WNI

This is worse than Goku jobbing to a laser cannon. Fucking farmer with a shotgun could kill Goku if he lets his guard down.

>>90611917
>space Elliot Roger

>>90611917
>Raw Kryptonian strength, speed, and endurance
>Saiyan ability to increase in strength whenever beaten near death as well as natural attunement to chi

Pretty much unbeatable on a cosmic scale. Imagine a Kryptonian Great Ape.

>>90611917
Does half kryptonian get power? It's sure for half-sayan but what about kryptonian.

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>>90614677

Jon Kent is half kryptonian and he's pretty much Gohan as a kid.

A being that can gain massive power from yellow and blue suns and is able to multiply that power with the super saiyan transformations
I would say he would be pretty powerful

>>90615061
Or maybe it'd just get the shitty qualities of both. Like maybe it gets kryptonite weakness and unnameable cowlick.

>>90614384
underrated

>>90614122
That's filler you fucking retard, these superman and goku debates are always shit because people only know shit about one or the other

>>90611973
>get kryptonite
>just hang out near it once a day
>nearly kill yourself
>???
>profit

>>90612018
>y-you're just fucking with me.

>>90614068
>It's really not mentioned in Super
He says responding to the page where it's literally being mentioned.

>>90616740
It appears that anon is kind of retarded.

>>90611917
There is no point being Saiyan if you're already Kryptonian. If anything it would be a handicap.

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>Superman and Goku will never impregnate you at the same time.
>You'll never feel their sperm have a fighting tournament in your uterus to determine who will fertilize the egg.

>>90615249
It's consistent filler. When he has his guard down, anyone strong enough can surprise Goku and fuck him up. If a laser and a goddamn bullet can do it, then so can a rock thrown by an enhanced human like Krillin.

Too many ppl who comment on superman threads do not know how kryptonian physiology works. They evolved on a planet with higher gravity than earth (like saiyans) and metabolize solar energy. They use this energy as a "field" in and around them and can even alter it and project it. Kryptonians are also a species at "peak" evolution and science and were capable of any non diety type feat.

>>90617471
Yeah, Super Saiyan is such a handicap. Especially without needing to worry about it draining your energy thanks to the sun.

Everytime Supes would survive Kryptonite, he'd get even stronger.

>>90612055
>That shit is only used as a dumb plot device like twice during the Namek shit and thats it.

It also explains, in DB, how every single time Goku gets beaten up by some enemy, he can completely own them two episodes later after he healed.

>>90613082
>Is the manga any good?

Better than the idiocy that is the anime.

>>90614719
So he's going to show potential until he hits puberty, then job for the rest of his existence?

>>90613219
>Goku getting raped by a kryptonian girl
>one of the strongest fighters in the universe
>Raped by a girl with a weakness to green rocks

Come on

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>>90613017
Superman casually flies from star to star, that's millions times faster than anything in Dragonball. He has also survived flying through a red sun, being squished between colliding planets and fucking supernovas.
Death battle analysis is often bullshit but their verdict on Goku vs Superman is fairly accurate.

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>>90619442

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>>90619477

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He has also outraced instant teleportation.

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>>90619567

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>>90619592

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His pure physical strength is also far beyond anything DB characters have shown.

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Wonder Woman shrugs off nukes like nothing and her stats are significantly lower.

>>90611917
Depends on what kind of sun they're under.

>>90612055
You're so full of shit. It constantly gets used, even fucking cell get a zenkai boost after blowing himself up.

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>>90619698

>>90619669
He was boosted at that point in the plot, that's stronger than he usually is.

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>>90619791
He's still able to moving the Earth from its orbit and the JLA version is weaker than post-Infinite Crisis or nu52.

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>>90619857

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Finally he's a pretty good martial artist.

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>>90619955

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>>90611917
A kryptonian great ape would be terror to the universe.

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>>90611917
Will be combination of both. But not 100% of each side is one way to put it. Then again with the saiyan genes, training hard will be a thing. And with Krytonian genes, it will lessen the time to get stronger by a shit ton. Can be pretty broken af.

>>90611917
Being capable of going SSJ Sun God might be a nice perk.

>>90614719
They do behave similarly, except Jon is bit more willing to get his hands dirty.

>>90614068
You can't just turn super Saiyan, you have to have the power first, then you transform when it becomes too much and your body needs to evolve to contain it (or so we can reason out of the DB universe shenanigans)

>>90614068
Regarding super saiyan 3, it was never revealed just how it is achieved. Goku presumably just trained for years on end to get it and Gotenks has some magical nonsense reasoning. Whatever the case, it doesn't seem that it can be attained by rage (but I wouldn't be surprised if they ever go in that direction).

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>>90611917

>>90621952
>>90614068
>>90621952

SSJ2 is when you esstienally unlock Super Sayain while already Super Sayain. If regular SSJ is a power multiplier, SSJ2 compounds it exponentially

SSJ3 is pretty much overclocking one's body. It's sucking every last bit of ki out of every single cell and utilizing it, but as Goku demonstrated against Kid Buu it quickly tears you to shreds internally.

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Superior Hybrid coming through.

>>90616740
>>90617413

THE ANIME

I guess I should've been more specific with that.

>>90619791
Stop nitpicking at his peak Superman 1 million can literally lift the entirety of the universe without any effort, has burst through the source wall and lifted literal infinity. Goku has trouble lifting weight a few hundred tons. Don't pick and choose "which Superman" because it's easily countered "RR army Goku".

>>90619632
He has all these abilities yet he loses to far inferior enemies.

>>90621042
Gohan was also willing to go into battle.

If Zamasu stole Clark's body, how powerful would a Superman Black be? When Zamasu stole Goku's body, he was stronger than Goku ever was and ended up using better abilities and hax.

Now imagine this dude mastering a Kryptonian body

>>90613219
Does sun soaking mean additional ki supply from solar energy?
Because if so the kids might go SSJ just by sunbathing for a few days.

>>90611917
>Half Saiyans were always hinted at having more potential
>The current Superman arc is hinting that half Kryptonians might have more potential too
>Under a yellow sun, Kryptonians get powers
>Saiyans are born with powers
>Training can boost Saiyan power exponentially
>His power will already be boosted by the yellow sun
>Transormations can occur too

He'd be 5x more powerful than Silver Age, AKA Prime

>>90622998
Going by future arcs, long time sun soaking leads to God level powers.

Kids going SSJ doesn't mean shit after Buu saga showed us Goten/Trunks doing it at the drop of a hat.

>>90611917
Yes

>>90612872
>Goku can be hurt with a normal goddamn rock
filler

>>90623230
They at least had to exert though. I'm talking passively hitting it just from the amount of ki buildup.

>>90620047
yea you need some strong shit to cut that tail

>>90624617
Same can be said about everything post DBZ.

>>90625101
you sound fucking stupid

>>90611917
Wouldn't a saiyan/kryptonian hybrid eventually gain a tolerance to kryptonite?

>>90625122
How do you differentiate canon and non-canon? GT was considered canon for the longest time and Toriyama had the exact same credit for it that he does for Super. The credit only say "original story" by Toriyama and Shuesha or whatever only have him as "overseeing" the story but never flat out saying he's writing anything. For all we know weaboos 20 years from now will put Super in the same category as GT.

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>>90625251
>GT was considered canon for the longest time

>>90625381
>not going to conventions in the late 90's and 00's and hearing the weaboos, spics and niggers going on about ssj4 and Baby Vegeta like gospel

>>90625251
>GT was considered canon for the longest time
Said literally no one ever.

>>90625478
Keep telling yourself that and maybe it'll come true but back int he day during the run and for years afterward this >>90625468 was common. Toriyama is barely involved with Super like he was with GT and the company is treating Super like it did GT.

>>90625551
The only thing keeping Super "canon" is fan approval so far much like early GT, if the story devolves into shit guaranteed it'll get the GT treatment.

>>90625551
>Toriyama is barely involved with Super
he is involved in the last 2

>>90622198
They weren't asking how it functions, they were stating that the exact method of achieving SSJ3 was never revealed, but it doesn't seem to be a rage mechanic like SSJ1 and 2.

Honestly Gotenks should have never gone SSJ3, they could have just assumed fusion strength carried him real good as an SSJ2.

>>90622998
Honestly it would be more like a second power set. I don't see KI "stacking" with his solar energy, but if he was fucked with kryptonite it likely wouldn't affect his saiyan Ki, which would mean he wouldn't be helpless after kryptonite poisoning and would retain his saiyan strength. This could come in handy.

>>90625551
Nobody thought GT was canon except people that were excessively desperate for more content. Literally nobody that wasn't a fucking retard considered it canon.

>>90626404
So then can Super be considered non-canon too? Toriyama oversees, supervises and did art designs for both and I distinctly remember reading in Dengeki and Newtype that GT was a canon spinoff of the DB story.

>>90613036
Kid Goku also survived being hit with a fucking axe, the axe itself broke against Goku's head but it hurt like a bitch.

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A better question would be: Is Goku the perfect SO for Superman?

>>90627239
i feel like superman might be the only one to keep her from doing crazy shit

>>90611917
didn't Goku created Gohan and Goten?

that hybrid would be a jobber cunt

>>90627239
fuck no, Clark would be intrigued at first maybe, but he would later grow to hate her when he sees what total retard she is.
Not to mention he would get sick of his gf starting fights with everyone just because they were strong.

>>90627749
like dooming most of a multiverse

>inb4 'b-but he didn't k-know REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>90628105
>Not to mention he would get sick of his gf starting fights with everyone just because they were strong.
>Implying Superdicking wouldn't solve that.

>>90628198
Male Goku wasn't all that interested in sex, so I would imagine fem Goku wouldn't care either. Supes would probably have to literally keep her on a leash to make her behave herself and not do dumb shit

>>90628105
>superman
>hate

This isn't the Snyderverse, mate.

>>90628317
sorry, I meant severely annoyed

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>>90628290
>Supes would probably have to literally keep her on a leash to make her behave herself

Hot.

He's probably the only guy that could do it, too.

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>>90628444
Imagine her wearing one of these, but made of some super strong metal or something.

Clark would have his work cut out for him dating her because she would be like womanchild obsessed with fighting. I can't see them being in a relationship, but maybe friends. Clark would mlake it his personal mission to make her into better woman. Especially once he finds out what a horrible mom she would be

>>90625251
>GT was considered canon for the longest time
can't fool /co/ either, Pedro

>>90625633
>what is the Super manga and it's drafts

>>90626309
Goku said he gained it while training in Other World, and there you get some weird Stamina Boost I believe, so it may be that to normally gain SS3 you have to be able to train at a very high level for a long period of time, which you simply can't do in a normal mortal body

>>90611973
>Saiyans have to nearly die to get their power increase.

Clearly the strongest possible fusion would be Green Martian and Saiyan then.

>>90627239
FemGoku makes no sense. It should be regular Goku with Superwoman. They'd be like Richard and Nicole from Gumball.

>>90611917
What would happen if the hybrid sees a full moon made of Kryptonite?

>>90630137
He turns into the little Voldemort imp from the last Harry Potter.

>>90626633
the only thing Toriyama did for GT was just redesigning the draft of SSJ4

everything else was by toei

>>90630456
...and design trunks, pan and the robot

>>90611917
Would grow up too used to easymodo Kryptonian powers that he never had to work for under the yellow sun and ultimately fall behind any Saiyans that trained to get tougher.

>>90630519
yeah, he also design Pan's big butt too

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>>90630657
>ultimately fall behind any Saiyans that trained to get tougher.

by that you mean "easily outclass full saiyans just by taking a walk to the corner store during the day"

>>90612055
It was in the Buu Saga, once Gohan gets his full potential unleashed Buu specifically states that he didn't get any stronger from recovering via a Senzu.

>>90630889
>Literally a fan made video of people that think Superman legitimately can't be defeated despite being defeated multiple times. Remember in Death of Superman when he got knocked out by a gas station exploding? In Action Comics a few weeks ago Superman was losing a fight, Jon then hit his opponent with a truck and knocked him out
>But muh infinite strength
>Muh Supernova 50x Kepler that on the same page specifies that it didn't hit him at all

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>>90631174
>Muh Supernova 50x Kepler that on the same page specifies that it didn't hit him at all

You mean this one? This one here? That shows him clearly being hit and knocked back by the explosion?

You're a right cunt, mate. Stop making shit up.

He doesn't get hit by the radiation, which he has to avoid cause his body would absorb it and would kill him.

>>90627239
Goku would never go for someone like Superman. He wouldn't really go for anyone. He got tricked into marrying Chi-chi. She probably tricked him into having sex too. Since its been confirmed they never actually kiss. What's your deal with pushing this pairing anyway?

>>90631387
>implying its just one guy 'pushing' it

Nigga we used to have threads, near daily about it.

But you wouldn't know that, seeing as how you just got off the boat from plebbit.

>>90631448
I'll be from reddit then. At least I'm not some bizarre faggot who spends his days thinking about inane shit like this.

>>90611917
Strong enough

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>>90631568
>At least I'm not some bizarre faggot who spends his days thinking about inane shit like this.

Yeah you're right.

You're the faggot who gets assmad when arguing with people who spend their days thinking about 'inane shit like this.'

cause you've got literally nothing better to do.

Fuck off, cunt. It's not hurting anyone.

>>90611973
I don't know about you but I can count to 1024 on my hands.

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>>90611917

>>90627239
GokuxSuperman is one of the dumbest fucking ideas I've heard, "They're both strong and have similar backstories hurr"

Fuck off. DC's Earth would be destroyed in like a weak if Goku (male or female) was allowed to exist there.

>>90631733
Oh, you're retarded. I see now.

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>>90631895
You're not fooling anyone, pal.

Not strong enough to beat Saitama.

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>>90631834
>weak
I'll show myself out

>>90631773
>>90632002

Here's your (you).

>>90632065
Search your heart, (you) know it to be true.

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>>90632002
Saitama couldn't make it to the fight, Potato Girl stomped his ass first.

>>90631773
It's a shame the near-Big Bang level punch got debunked. In universe it would have made perfect sense - if Saitama punches that hard and it doesn't work he incidentally destroys the Universe, because then he's not the One Punch Man and that's the title, so the comic is over.

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>>90632404
>someone got paid real money to draw this

>>90611917
Not as good as you think, Gohan's potential came from being a human hybrid, so you'd have limited Saiyan training potential combined with limited Kryptonian solar absorption.

>>90613017
Ki puts strain on the body, so the tougher your body is the more ki you can use at once.

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>>90611917
What would be stronger is a Saiyan/Viltrumite hybrid.

>scales exponentially with training
>incredibly durable and can heal from normally fatal wounds
>no kryptonite weakness
>not dependent on solar power
>no hard caps on attributes like a Kryptonian
>only weakness is a virus that isn't even lethal 100% of the time
>lifespan calculated in Terran centuries if not millennia
>viltrumite physiology means getting one-shot when their guard is down isn't a threat
>manly 'stache

>Jon + Bra or Jon+ Pan

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A Saiyan with the ability to do shit like this would be insane

>>90612666
Female broly is a mistake

>>90622412
Dude...Lmao

>>90611917

What would be stronger would be a Saiyan/Human/Kryptonian hybrid.

>>90635103
this.
I think also durability has to do a lot with concentration why thragg can endure much more abuse than Nolan or Mark.

>>90631773
>>90632002
>had trouble with a fucking mosquito