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based Snyder

More /co/ bitching is always glorious.

Parademons gotta get got.

>>90468932
Do people not remember that the Keaton Batman outright killed people?

Snyder should invite all the haters and clickbaiteres back for another set visit then shoot them all with those big guns

>>90468995
No, because that goes against the narrative.

>>90468995
Difference is that Burton outright admitted to never reading the comics.

>>90469015
How does that make it better or okay in your twisted world?

>>90469015
And yet Burton's original Batman was still one of the best Batman, hell, one of the best DC films today.

Really makes you think.

>>90469040
Burton's films were shit and you know it.

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>>90468932
posting quantifiable superior batmobile

>>90468995
Why would they? Those movies are older than 99% of /co/. The animated versions are the definitive ones for just about everybody that posts here (or the Nolan version for the underage kids).

>>90469040
>begging the question

>>90468995

I was just as confused back then.

>people expecting Snyder to ever learn/change

All the fags who said "But Johns is working with him! They'll fix things!" are going to slit their wrists.

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>>90469032
>better or okay in your twisted world
You say it like Burton killed people in real life.

>>90469003
>>90468966
>>90469076
It's like /tv/ killed /co/, made a skin suit, and then gave birth to a child that lived inside said skin suit until adolescence with /tv/'s rotting, festering corpse slung over its back.

>>90469128
what? we're going to bitch about Batman shooting Parademons?

>>90469169

Batman had to struggle with the idea of shooting Darkseid. A fucking god of evil.

>>90469191
Batman buttfucks Parademons in the opening act of John's JL comic IIRC.

>>90469217
Parademons are usually killed en masse in the DCU. They're the equivalent of zombies on the okay-to-kill meter.

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>>90469270

>>90468932
Don't worry, they all fire rubber bullets

>>90469169
This. Are we going to pretend to give a shit about Chitauri or Ultron's robots now?

>>90468932
> flop from being edgy crap
> get even edgier

Gotta give him credit

>>90469491
>flop
Inigo_Montoya.jpg

>>90469517
It was a critical flop and public opinion was negative, despite raking in cash from everybody seeing it. So... it was a huge success, just not a well-liked one.

Like the Transformers films.

>>90469554
its got over 50% audience score on rotten tomatoes which means at least half of the people that saw it liked it.... so it was pretty successful and well liked.

>>90470069
>half of the people who saw it would not recommend it
>well-liked

>>90470069
You know the audience scores get filled in before the movie's even out, right? Retards pump up the score based on their excitement to see it.

The fact that it's all the way down at 50% is actually a terrible sign, because that means that after it actually came out people disliked it so much they went back and downvoted it enough to have a substantial impact.

It's like how it has a B- CinemaScore. Same principle, people vote beforehand. The fact that it's not an A is telling.

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>>90468995
Burton's killings fit the tone and the narrative. He killed random thugs just like how he wanted to kill Joker

Snyder's Batman kills thugs left and right but then all of his (so far enstablished) rogues are somehow still around. He tried to kill Superman but only broke Joker's teeth. Alfred accuses Bruce of going "too far" when he brands criminals but then assists his mission slaughtering mercenaries with the Batwing's machine gun. We're told Batman didn't use to be as dark but then we're told Robin was equipped with a fucking halberd. And after all of this Snyder comes out and says in an interview that Dark Knight Returns' Batman "kills all the time" and that we should be thankful he didn't kill as much in his movie, which shows that he's either very ignorant of the material he's adapting or that he's willing to blatantly lie to save face

Once again these are problems that stem from the fact this universe was enstablished "in medias res" without the people involved even knowing what the real backstory of anything is going to be

>>90470122
>>90470108
its actually at 63%

>You know the audience scores get filled in before the movie's even out, right?

but you cant vote for it before its out, go look here:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/beauty_and_the_beast_2017

it has a "Want to see it" meter. Don't be dense.

>>90470108
it at least means there are more people who liked it than didnt like it

>>90470189
>Snyder's Batman kills thugs left and right but then all of his (so far enstablished) rogues are somehow still around.

Are you retarded? He only started killing IN the movie. Alfred even says the branding is new for him, and then when he starts killing people Alfred has that whole moment of questioning him and also says that was new for him.


Goddamn, at least pay attention to the movie. He starts and stops killing IN BvS. For the whole duration of that movie Joker is in Arkham. He escapes at the beginning of Suicide Squad and we see Batman try and capture him and even save Harley because he has gone back to his heroic ways due to Superman.

>>90470189
>We're told Batman didn't use to be as dark but then we're told Robin was equipped with a fucking halberd.

So? Damien uses fucking swords without killing. So does Batman. Nightwing uses stun rods which could also kill people if used inappropriately. Jason uses guns and can not find ways to kill people.


Shut the fuck up.

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If Batman nonchalantly kills people, how come Joker and Harley are still alive?

>>90468995
Joker and Penguin didn't make it past their movies, whereas Letoker is still alive, somehow. Pretty miraculous considering the fact that he killed Jason.

>>90470199
People still can vote whenever they want after it comes out, wether they saw it or not. They can make multiple accounts to spam a vote, ask their friends to vote for them, etc. Not to mantion how not all the people that saw the movie are gonna vote. It's probably not even half of the actual audience.

User-based votes just aren't all that reliable. Nobody in their right mind checks IMDb to see if a movie is generally well liked, for example. I mean, just take a look at /v/, the new Zelda recently released and while most if not all critics are giving stellar scores the user's score doesn't align with that because there's hundreds of people that decided to spam it with 0's, just like how there's hundreds of fans spamming 10's

>>90470247
read
>>90470232

>>90470261
so you are just assuming BvS is subject to more abuse than any other movie? I could use your argument to say it has an unfairly low score.


And plenty of people use IMDB and user based scores all the time. I'm more trusting of them than critic reviews at this point.
Also Zelda was JUST released, give it time and the spammers get drowned/balanced out.

>>90468995
they do and they didnt like it, but the much more stylized atmosphere of the movie made it a lot more palatable and meant we didnt dwell on it as much

>>90470261
Trustworthiness of user reviews in general aside, that's basically the main reason why youtube went from its stars rating system to a thumbs up/down one: people were only giving things 1 or 5 stars to make their ratings "count".

>>90470304
>but the much more stylized atmosphere of the movie
Remember 300?
Snyder has very stylized look to his movies as well tho.

>>90470285
No? It happens with all movies, at least the mainstream ones. Just look at the Twilight series

>People use IMDB
And they'd be dumb since we know for a fact users spam votes before the movie even comes out, as opposed to RT

>>90470322
I don't think anon's talking about visuals. More about tone. Burton's Batmen are often dark comedies, when he slaps the bomb onto that fat circus man you laugh

>>90470342
true
I never liked Burton though so his "comedy" sometimes fails to register with me.

>>90470326
well then okay, we can both agree that all score aggregates of all kinds are relatively retarded and we should just like what we like?

>>90470342
the tone of BvS tries to be much more grounded, so batman killing someone comes across as straightm urder
the tone of burtonman doesnt have that same focus on being "realistic" for a lack of a better term, so batman throwing a guy off a ledge is more like theatrics rather than something the camera should focus on

>>90470351
Well, yeah. I can see why people enjoy BvS. I only question the claims that most people do

>>90469217
Johns run on JL was one of the worst in years. Johns' is a terrible Batman writer.

>>90470378
I dont think most people have a strong opinion about it, I think thats mostly just internet idiots like us

>>90470361
>so batman killing someone comes across as straightm urder
...And that's part of Batman's arc in the movie.

>>90470397
Undeniable

>>90470434
having murder be part of batmans story, even when justified, is not gonna fly

>>90470460
Well it did for me.

>>90470460
I mean, it can be part of a Batman story, but the thing is this was a brand new Batman, how can i compare his "dark" and murderous version with his normal self if i don't even know what his normal self was like in the first place? And the movie gives mixed signals in that regard. Again, Robin had a damn lethal weapon as main equipment. The fucking wonder boy

>>90470460
but you literally just said it was justified in the burton movies

>>90470496
So? Damien uses fucking swords without killing. So does Batman. Nightwing uses stun rods which could also kill people if used inappropriately. Jason uses guns and can not find ways to kill people.

>>90468932
Snyder is so awesome!

I'd like to see his Superman kills more people and pee on their body while maniacally laughing.

>>90470502
it still isnt, it was misplaced there as well, its just easier to ignore since it doesnt draw as much attention to it

>>90468995
I hated that shit too. It's possible to dislike more than one thing at a time.

>>90470514
Snyder's Superman literally only killed one person, and it wasnt even a person, it was an evil superman.

>>90468995
Yes, and it was controversial then too, and actually was a big part of turning mass audiences off Batman Returns.

But at least violence in the Burtonverse wasn't as outright pornographic as the Snyderverse.

>>90470521
even post crisis Batman killed KGBeast in the comics, and even though it got retconned, it still was part of his story. Batman can kill and it can be fine.

>>90470535
>Yes, and it was controversial then too, and actually was a big part of turning mass audiences off Batman Returns.


No, it really really wasn't. Underage leave. It was the dark tone in general that turned people off, not the killing. People didn't want to see Penguin eating fish and shit like that. It still made profit.

>>90470510
You're always mentioning characters that changed or came in after years of enstablished stories

Damien was made specifically to be a murderous Robin, Jason had to die to turn the way he is, Nightwing is a matured Dick...

Again, the movie is telling us "things have changed" but we don't know what changed! We know nothing about this universe. Plus we don't even know who the DCEU Robin is. Did they ever confirm if he's Jason, which would be the most logical choice?

>>90470588
man you are dumb, everyone knows who Batman is already, they dont need to be shown who Batman is. Regardless of what Batman is your Batman this Batman is older and more disillusioned. He could basically be any past Batman and it would work.


And it doesnt matter what Robin died either. You are being nitpicky as fuck over something that doesn't matter. Even if we never see who he was before, it in no way changes his character, arc, or plot of the movie itself. You are arguing about frosting on a cake.

>>90470617
>they dont need to be shown who Batman is

If you're kicking off a new universe with a new interpretation of Batman I think that would be best

>>90470684
its really fine, its why Marvel said they are going to stop with the origin movies too. Everyone knows who Batman is. Everyone. And all you need to know for the story in the movie to work is that he was once good but is becoming progressively more ruthless (which is shown in the movie). Thats all you need to know for that movie to work and thats what it shows us. By the end of the movie he is no longer violent. We see it take effect in his cameo in Suicide Squad and they will build on it in Justice League. There is literally no reason not to start from where they started other than your expectation of how a shared universe SHOULD go, which has no basis.
Like Training Day works despite not seeing Samuel L Jackson's backstory.

BvS was good.I wont argue with anyone anymore. It was good. Fact

>>90470189
>Burton's killings fit the tone and the narrative.

So does Snyder's Batman, you dimwitted fool! BvS Batman is at his lowest. This is literally autistic nitpicking and whining.

>>90469169
>#ApokolipsLivesMatter

>>90470496
>how can i compare his "dark" and murderous version with his normal self if i don't even know what his normal self was like in the first place?

Maybe stop being autistic.

>Again, Robin had a damn lethal weapon as main equipment.

Damian killed people as Robin.

>>90469435
Hero's always refrain from killing anything that looks human with intelligence yet have no qualms against murdering superior races that don't look human

>>90470213
More people that cared to post

>>90470797

>>90470588

>>90469217
one of the worst runs on JL ever

>>90470496
>Robin had a damn lethal weapon as main equipment.
Post me the picture of the lethal weapon because if you're citing that halberd illustration as your point, then get the fuck out.

>>90470864
So now the director's words and intentions don't count?

>>90470721
Nobody is asking for an origin movie, what we are asking for is a movie that shows Batman as Batman.

I hate this Batman and feel absolutely nothing for him. He is a violent killer and your headcanon that "he only started in BvS" is retarded.

The film didn't work. It massively underperformed and is widely disliked by critics and audiences.

Sam Jackson wasn't even in Training Day you mongoloid.

>>90470886
These are Snyderfags, so no.

>>90470886
Oh so you are going on that picture which is different than what the Robin costume was holding.

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>>90470914
It wasn't different. Robin was holding a broken staff with a pointy thing at the end. The artbook explains that the staff was an halberd but they decided to leave it broken on purpose. And if you're trying to argue this means they changed their mind that wouldn't explain the pointy piece of blade they did leave on it

Its ok when the character is nothing like they are in the comics and i'm tired of mcubabs using that as an excuse to hate on dc films.

>>90470972
Nobody made that argument here

>>90470981
people are clearly saying that BvS was bogged down by Batman killing people

>>90470972
Pretty sure /co/ doesn't need an excuse to shit on objectively bad movies.

>>90470989
Because the context of the movie itself is confusing. People are also saying it was ok in Burton's movies

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>>90468932
Me thinks it's from continuation of Knightmare.


>>90470247
If Nolan's Batman didn't kill, how come only Joker survived?
If Golden Age Batman killed how come Joker survived?


>>90469554

Transformers didn't get defended on the SAME site (sometimes even by same contributor) they were shat on, so no it's not the same situation.

>>90471087
Only Joker? What about Scarecrow? He's literally in all movies. Ra's was the only person he killed and he explains why openly, there's nothing vague about Nolanbats' morality and choices

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Reminder : Murder Robin = Best Robin.

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>>90470588
>I need to be spoonfed!

It's kinda pathetic how criticism for BvS always gets bogged down to "b-but they didn't explain and show me everything while holding my hand and giving me Stan Lee type explanatory narration!"

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Red Hood for cucks.

>>90471135
It's kinda pathetic how fans of the same movie accuse me of either thinking too much about it or not thinking enough

>>90471146
Nitpicking and crying how something wasn't blatantly spoonfed to you aren't mutually exclusive things. If anything, they go hand in hand in pleb tier cinema criticism.

>>90471162
If only we could all be as illuminated as fans of Zack "capes shouldn't talk more than 5 minutes in costume" Snyder

>>90470732
wrong

>>90471177
Give me example when capes talk more than 5 minutes.
Even quip-filled MCU couldn't manage more than a handful of one liners, hell even Donner's Superman didn't aside of interview with Lois. It works only in comics, because in comics YOU choose pacing yourself (if it's not written by modern Bendis or Slott).

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Whose bodycount will be highest, /co/?

I find these exact same debates in film analysis circles. The exact same ones.

And they're still about Snyder films.

I'm seeing a pattern, here.

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>>90471238
Flash and Superman with least, if they will even have one.

>>90471242
>Snyder's films still get hotly debated on a daily/weekly basis

Feels good, famalam.

>>90471237
>Even quip-filled MCU couldn't manage more than a handful of one liners,
the Avengers movies have plenty of scenes where the team is all talking in a room together for over five minutes

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>>90471237
Is this a joke? Daredevil had almost an entire episode about him and Frank discussing their moralities and methods

Spiderman tried to talk his villains out of the fight in all Raimi movies. The X-Men are almost always in "costume". The IM movies came up with the camera inside the helmet thingies specifically to let the character express himself while in costume

If you suck Zack "Batman should be raped in prison because that's realistic" Snyder's cock then you also like his embarrassment for capes. I mean, we're talking about Zack "i didn't care about capes until i noticed Watchmen had violence and sex" Snyder

>>90471283
I only can remember of triggered banter over Loki's thing.
And only Cap has undies on him, because WeedOn hates Cap. Thor doesn't even have cape this time.

>>90471274
You misunderstand. I see the same pool of pseudo-intellectuals talking down people for "not understanding the subtle symbolism" of films like Suckerpunch.

He's throwing dogshit in a blender and people are sipping it while nodding sagely and discussing the genius artistic merits hidden within.

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>>90471242
>>90471274

It is indeed a crime how much Snyder's genius is undermined, fellow intellectuals

>>90471293
Daredevil only valid example, and it's as "cape" as tacticool armor gets.
X-Men lol, bring Smallvile then lol.

>>90470896
> I hate this Batman and feel absolutely nothing for him. He is a violent killer and your headcanon that "he only started in BvS" is retarded.

>head cannon

You are a literal retard who can't be bothered to pay attention to a simple movie and thus need everything spelled out for you!

>>90471316
I don't get your metaphor.

>>90471344
Which part, the blended dogshit?

>>90471293

TV shows are different, as they largely consist of talking head scenes due to budget. Plus Netflix shows are inherently embarrassed about being capeshows when it comes to having costumes.

>>90471115
he killed people in every one of the films. Mostly in DKR.