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Was Gamzee a character or not?
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>>90468828
Not really no.
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More of a floppy, foul-smelling plot device and a few running gags.
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Joke characters are still characters, why would they not be.
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>>90468828
No.
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>>90469145
Shut up sexy bellydancer Rose, what the fuck do you know.
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In Act 5, yes. He was a chill, but deeply religious person covered in a ton of Juggalo and Stoner stereotypes. Maybe he wasn't the deepest character, but you could get the gist of his personality.

And then Act 6 happens.
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>>90469540
Did Gamzee just predict the Thief of Light?
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>>90468828

Nah.
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>>90469532
She knows the things the concubine school taught her.

>>90469540
Act 6 was where most characters got derailed. Hussie tried to find ways to pad out their arcs or just abandoned them outright. Cascade ended as a fine end to pretty much everyone's characters, then suddenly NEW ISSUES had to come forth for no real fucking reason, leading to the abortion that was Vriskagram.
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>>90469664
Jade's getting fat from all those burritos
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Post good homestuck comics
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>>90469540
>>90469664

Act 6 Gamzee is a really weird character.

A lot of the characters (Karkat, Rose, Kanaya, etc) who started sucking in Act 6 did so because it was clear Hussie didn't know what do with them so he put them on the backburner or filled their live with meaningless bullshit so they'd have something to do (see: Rose's alcoholism). But this doesn't apply to Gamzee.

Gamzee gets a lot of shit 2 do. He interacts with Act 6 kids, he romances Terezi, he serves Lord English, and he raises Caliborn. An yet despite all of that he rarely comes off as a character. He doesn't have many meaningful conversations, and he mostly says Honk over and over again. Sure Gamzee was always a laidback dude, but here he behaves more like a lobotomy victim. He acts less like a character, and more like a "floppy, foul-smelling plot device".

The only time we get any insight into his mind is during Openbound. And that only brings up more questions. Questions that the comic has no interest in answering or even exploring.

That's not even going into his relationship(?) with Tavros and his Moirallegiance Karkat. The former is completely forgotten about, and the Gamzee seems largely uninterested in the latter. We're told he and Karkat had been having conversation on their 3-year meteor ride but nothing comes of it.

And then the Retcon happens and Gamzee becomes an utter joke. Finally, he's shoved into a fridge and forgotten by everyone. Even by his "best friend" Karkat.

It's such a disappointing end for such an odd character.

Props to anyone who bothered to read all of this text. Any thoughts on what went wrong?
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>>90469972
Hussie liked him as a joke but realized he had no idea how to write him as a character, just as a thing that was there. He was more or less a prop.
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>>90469812
It's pretty bad desu.
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>>90470045
Don't be a twat.
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>>90469664
You got that uncensored?
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>>90468828
He was replaced by Hussie's raging hardon for Vriska.
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>>90470105
https://breedingduties.tumblr.com/post/158053600768/i-feel-like-dave-would-like-being-a-dad-between
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>"Karkat should be a pacifist teletubby guy"
>Gamzee fucks his girlfriend, almost never interacts with him and then he gets killed off by him, because he can't break cloun plot armor

>"Karkat should have always been a fighter"
>gets humiliated hard in front of the ghost army for being taken out first (even fucking Tavros survives longer than him)
>starts crying for not being able to shut down a midget who got nerfed hard by Hussie (not switching places with Quarters)

What
Was
The
Point
Of
Karkat
Vantas?
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>Favorite song
>Do you like it for the song or the story it's tied to?
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Gamzee is my favorite trash out of that entire trash webcomic.
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>>90470132
I need eye bleach.
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>>90469812
Not sure about good, but I have some that I found amusing.
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>>90470203
Why?
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>>90470203
Sorry it's not Davekat and that Dave isn't a pink-haired midget.
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>>90470251
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>>90470277
Karkat is the pink haired midget, Dave is usually a black fat man with a perm.
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>>90470259
>Breeders
>pubic hair
>pregnancy
It's gross.
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>>90470277
But Karkat is the pink-haired midget and Dave is the tall black guy with an afro.
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>>90470317
It's not an afro or a perm though. It's like a
What the fuck even is it?
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>>90470259
Lazy 3D porn with a few details to make it seem like the characters. Don't get me started on that stupid attempt at Caliborn. The artist needs to shove their head in a toilet and not bother flushing.
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>>90470417
Don't be a twat
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>>90470457
Jesus fuck what is that abomination
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>>90470417
>a few details
I know you're not that smart, but you know, Homestuck characters are kind of neutral blobs. Do you expect them to what, wear their clothes? In porn? During sex?
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>>90470417
Honestly they look pretty good, it's kind of interesting how far 3D rendering has come.
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>>90470494
Homestuck's character design was pretty good desu. Simple, yet each character recognizable, at least initially.
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>>90469972
He reminded me a lot of my best friend I had. with what hints of personality he had, at least. Some obsession with clowns, schemes and jewfro.
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>>90470417
I agree. At first I was alright with this but it's getting a little annoying.
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>>90470547
Then fuck off.
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>>90470533
Exactly. John was a nerd with an overbite, square glasses, and kind of messy black hair. That's... really about the most identifying features you can point to.
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>>90470547
We already went through this with the HoneySelect stuff. Nobody cares.
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>>90470571
That's what's so offensive about gelasitcat's stuff, they don't even bother going down the checklist of those features. Like fat pink long-haired midget Karkat? How do you get that from anything he's done in the comic?
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>>90470551
Nah. I'll just wait until the thread becomes a little more acceptable as usual.
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>>90470619
If Karkat had thrown the ring into the fire, or tried to, maybe then him being drawn as a hobbit would be justified.
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>>90470635
You'll be waiting forever.
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>>90470663
Frodo didn't destroy the ring though.
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>>90470710
Nope. Actual comic discussion can be enjoyable. I also like that drawfag we've been seeing around.
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>>90470494
That Jade is honestly one of Gelasticat's cuter pieces. She's visibly feminine, curvaceous instead of just round, and it has negligible detail lines for things like freckles and hair on her arms. What about it is setting you off? The claws? The piercings? The hair not being super canon-accurate? Her being fat in general?
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>>90470991
>cuter pieces
Which means by anyone with normal standards, it's still a horrifying monster.
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>>90471006
Not really. She just looks like a fat black girl with a cute face and false nails.
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Boy I sure am excited for Hiveswap when it comes out, aren't you all excited?

When is this all gonna be over?
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>>90470068
I guess you have to be American to find "dude weapons lmao" funny
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I dug through the desu archives, I looked through tumblr, I checked every page tagged for caliborn on the MSPA booru.

Please, does anyone have the gif with the Thinker statue edited to look like Caliborn, with '413' and '1025' floating around his head? I'm going to lose my mind looking for this shitty thing.
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>>90469540
Man, I can't re-read Homestuck anymore with how butthurt I get from all the wasted characters and having to read Karkat's shit when he ends up doing nothing and being Dave's bitch.
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>>90471028
>cute face
You actually have no standards.

Not in a "6/10, would not bang" way, but a "this ball of cottage cheese attached to this mountain of bacon lard meets my standards" sort if way.
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So we know Hussie has been working on other stuff, and it seems unlikely he has a team helping him make a major flash.

So what are you actually expecting out of the Epilogue?
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>>90471809
The worst.

So, obligatory Davekat and dumb shit.
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>>90469972

I think what went wrong with Gamzee was that he no longer was solely intended as the sinister joke character he was in Act 5 and instead his entire being surrendered into the Lord English collection. The inevitability of LE and the nature of Gamzee's inability to die removes any negativity he might have towards certain situations, to the point where he's wholly passive to a robotic degree. He flounces his way through the Alpha kids' story, piddling wares and otherwise being something of a pest to coincide with Caliborn's outright trolling. It's through this that Caliborn also facilitates the creation of another one of his shards, combining Equius' corpse with the fragment of Dirk localized in AR.

Act 6 killed a lot of characters and their arc/potentials but for Gamzee his purpose was only to be one of the many pieces of Lord English and was enacted as the vehicle for him. Gamzee. His Moirallegiance with Karkat was not important because Gamzee was likely planned to kill Karkat at some point in the future. Its importance floundered even more after Game Over because it removed what was important in the first place. I think there was supposed to be a point where Gamzee kills Karkat in some ultimate betrayal (the Judas to his Jesus) and that moment clearly was Game Over.

It makes me suspect that maybe Act 7 had parts that were supposed to be different before Game Over. Maybe both Vriska and Karkat were supposed to remain dead, and maybe Karkat's intention to face LE head on at the start of Act 7 was actually supposed to mean something. If Karkat were a ghost, the Alpha Timeline ghost, and was subjected to a Double Death then his actions would have inspired the ghost army to attack without impunity, almost neatly tying into the 'sacrificial martyr' destiny the Signless represented.

All of it was probably aborted because the fandom loved Karkat too much.
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this fandom is going to be on life support until hiveswap comes out
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>>90472102
a tight feedback loop with the readers is dangerous. Does the author see their mission as a visionary, or as an entertainer? If you put your vision first, you risk annoying your audience who can chase away the rest of the audience in spite. If you put entertainment first, your vision gets diluted with compromises.
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>>90472543
>Hiveswap
>Coming out

Oh you.
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>>90472555
>su
gay
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the memes are real.
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>>90472543
Why are all non-Feferi Fuschiabloods "LOL IM GHETTO THATS MY ONLY CHARACTER TRAIT IM NOT ACTUALLY INTIMIDATING OR SMART OR INTERESTING AT ALL"?
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>>90469776
now where could my pipeorgan be
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>>90471809
Literally nothing.
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>>90472657
>abuser
>not a terrible as fuck parent who actually cared for Dave

>>90472668
How the fuck is Trizza ghetto?
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>>90472668
trizza's looking to be a social media memequeen. we don't even know much about her, though if she's going to have the personality of black twitter then yeah.
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>>90472668
> all non-Feferi Fuschiabloods
You've got three data points: Condi (and teenage Condi), Feferi, and Trizza. And when you don't like one of those three, you say stupid shit like "all."
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honestly if the whole comic built to this point and didn't fuck up in every other way possible, I would have been content.

one of the best moments in the whole comic mired in some of the worst
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>>90472698
>>90472711
She's HIC's decendent or something, right? Given that she was called "second best at memes" and dresses like a flashy whore, I figured she'd just be HIC 2.0.

However, if that picture is any evidence, she's going to be so, so much worse than I thought. I'm so fucking sick of memes; having an entire character literally revolve solely around cancerous normie memes is just revolting. There'd better be some sort of option to kill this bitch off at some point.
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>>90472554

In the case of Homestuck there's a lesson in there: never try for both. Stick to your own creative integrity or cave and pander to what your audience wants fully.

You can tell Hussie was still trying to balance factors of the story he planned out ages ago but the Retcon allowed him to change more and 'fix' what had been done. Characters like Karkat and even Kanaya must have had some greater purpose in their deaths; their dubious absence in Vriskagram feels purposeful in suggesting it.

Credits seems to further the idea that Kanaya wasn't actually needed at all to repopulate the Troll race. They all did pretty much abandon their Ectobiology offspring once they were created and fucked off into the future they all could enjoy.

Maybe it would have meant something if the Trolls did all die out after Game Over and the race ends up being resurrected by the merciful Beta kids anyway.
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>>90472543

You've got that wrong. It's on life support now. It's going to be taken off life support and die a painful death when Hiveswap comes out.
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>>90472785
Calm down. There is official art of her meme image being graffiti'd with her showing as a bloodthirsty killer.
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>>90472785
I think she's just one of the alternian princesses before feferi. from the comic we're told that all of them were culled in order for HIC to stay in power, until the reckoning happened ofc.
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>>90468828
Started out as a basic ICP/weed joke, became a plot device to kill off trolls Hussie didn't want around, and then just kinda became an all-powerful tool who may as well just be a physical embodiment of Hussie going into the story and saying, "I don't know how to explain ____, so I'll just have Gamzee do it".

So, to answer your question, he was a character long ago, but stopped being one shortly after murdering his friends, at which point he became a soulless automaton who randomly does what Hussie wants him to with no explanation.
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>>90472787
>Vriskagram
You mean Remem8er Me? Hell, Hussie trolled Karezi fans hard by having dreamself Karkat end up as a ghost instead of his pre-retcon version.
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>>90472799
Even so, it just seems like another case of "We'll tell you this character is terrifying and intimidating, even though they never actually do anything to warrant the fear they get (or if they do, it's extremely rare)", IE the majority of antagonistic characters in Homestuck.
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>>90469145
>shit webcomic
>shit program

it's like pottery
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>>90472842

>Remem8er

Yeah, shit my bad.

It's really strange seeing the swerve because both Karezi and DaveJade were popular ships leading up to Game Over especially, both ships that were 'sunk' in the PostRetcon story. Arguably Roxygen also suffered this fate, as it was pretty strong even leading into Credits.
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>>90469812

classic
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>>90471809
>So we know Hussie has been working on other stuff
He's been saying that for years, yet we've seen nothing coming out of it. He has talked about secret projects and stuff that was so cool but that he couldn't talk about it... yet! And we would totally hear about it next month.
Except all that was nothing. He even scheduled a "Rapture", a series of unbelievable events that would coincide with the ending of the comic but that would not be limited to it. And yet, all that happened was a shitty animation that solved nothing.

It's time to set our expectations realistically: Hussie's a fucking liar who's working on nothing and just pretends he does so that he can extend as much as he can the money that comes from the Homestuck IP. He will pretend something cool will happen in a vague future so that people can maintain as much as they can their interest in this shitty comic. It's way more profitable than producing content anyway.
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>>90473070
>popular ships got sunk
Cool, Terezi isn't Karkat's trophy anymore and Karkat can become an actual character instead of wanting to be Terezi's boyf-

>Terezi is in a dysfunctional relationship with Vriska
>Karkat is back to his Act 5 personality by telling how Eridan, Nepeta, Equius and his doomed versions are jokes and gets one-shot by LE
>his last speech was about Dave

Fucking monkey's paw, man.
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Why?
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>>90473715
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>>90473715
The nearest I can tell she felt like a burden, but that would be a pretty awful way to end that arc. But then Hussie has shown a certain prodigiousness at ending things in an awful way.
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>>90471241
it's from Act 8, side content known as ACT ACT ACT ACT ACT: NEW
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>>90473824
Thanks!
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>>90474045
Someone should really explain to Nepeta how families work.
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>>90468828
Gamzee was a joke that became a plot device, before finally becoming a joke again.
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>>90474161
How dare you. Nepeta's parents are hard-working and supportive people who are making sure their daughter gets all the opportunities she needs to succeed.
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>>90474231
I thought Nepeta's parent was a giant cat.
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>>90470251
God, I remember that bitch. She did a whole bunch of "Trolls interact with X location" comics. And it was all the same shit.

>LOL TEREZI'S BLIND XD (Even though she can move around and "see" like anyone else due to smelling and shit.)
>LOL FEFERI LIKES WATER XD
>LOL ERIDAN IS A DOUCHE XD
>LOL EQUIUS IS LE STRONG XD
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>>90474806
And what's wrong with that?
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>>90474806
but that is the extent of the trolls' personalities
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hey guys, do you like my fantroll i spend a lot of time working on it, thank you for your attention
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>>90474923
There's more to even the joke characters than just that.

>>90474842
It's just recycling the same jokes over and over.

>Here's Terezi blind at a restaurant, now here she is blind as a school, now here she is blind at an amusement park

It's boring.
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>>90474806
Did she ever do shipping shit? Most of her comics have all the trolls interact with each other and not have forced ships such as Terezi or Nepeta clinging on Karkat.
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>>90474981
She was heavy on DaveKat.
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>>90473204

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6zktEsfRv4
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>>90474952
>in the shape of an L on his forehead
Well, the years start coming and they don't stop coming.
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>>90472776
But that's a shit explanation for LE's powers, and situated at the most awful moment possible.
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>>90470494
to be fair, if Jade really existed she would be hellaciously ugly/fat/tranny or a mix of two to three of those options just based off of the way she fucking acts.
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>>90475003
Really? I just saw the Octopimp dubbed versions.

>>90476551
Bullshit, she can also look like a 10/10 and still act like a friendly girl from your neighborhood. You just took the "haha jade doesn't know about society and dresses like tarzan" headcanon seriously.
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I just realized that John and Terezi are the only major interesting characters for the epilogue.

Jane is interesting if Cohen's updates are canon and she turns into Hitler with her own Felt Butlers and mindcontrolled Jack.

And people only give a fuck about Dave, Jade and Karkat for stupid shipping shit. And the poor Karkatfans actually believe he is getting some characterization if he isn't in a ship.

No one gives a fucking shit about the rest, because they all got their happy ending.

Vriska fans get fucked over and realize that Hussie created a "good" and "evil" Vriska and that the good one is the Meenah-worshipping poor soul and the evil one is the irredeemable plot device who curls her moustache and stays permadead or ends up in a joke ship with Arquiussprite or in a serious ship with Terezi.
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>>90477015
The chance Jane Hitler is has passed, shoving it in now would be retarded.

Karkat still not having any use in a substantial Epilogue would be stupid beyond even what Hussie is capable of.

Vriska had such good arc, maybe just walking everything back to where she was when she died would fix things. I don't even know anymore.
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Is there anyone online who rewrote parts of act six then made a good ending
Every time I see Homestuck threads I get happy for ten minutes then depressed for an hour
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>>90477015
Cohen's updates are literally not canon.
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>>90477820
Always bet on Nussie
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how long is "several weeks"
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>>90476551
You don't know many people in real life do you
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>>90479699
In six months
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>>90479827
you mean two weeks?
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>>90479699
He's currently undergoing preparations and should be operational within six months
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>>90479922
No, in six months.
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>>90479738
Yeah, if Jade was a fat tye-dye tranny she'd be a complete vindictive passive-aggressive bitch obsessed with herself.
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>>90480280
yeah. She'd be like rose
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>>90480311
You mean Vriska.
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>>90480335
vriska isn't passive aggressive
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>>90480346
yeah she is.
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I liked where Homestuck was going before they introduced the trolls.

I guess that's an unpopular opinion, but once Hussie tried juggling 3 or 4 sets of characters at once he started to lose me
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So which HS character was the funniest?
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>>90480552
Pre-Vriskagram Dave.
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>>90469145
Source?
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>>90480567
https://breedingduties.tumblr.com/
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>>90468828
Is Equius a character?
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let it die. there is nothing, nothing. no snapchats, no game, nothing
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>>90480559
I didn't read far enough in to know what a 'vriskagram' is but yes.
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>>90480631
Vriskagram is where Vriska comes back to life and every character goes to shit.
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>>90480552
Karkat
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>>90480625
The game is coming
One fine day

I still Believe in Hussie
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>>90480745
yeah and on that one day there will be somthing to talk about rather than dumping pictures and pretending to be new readers, fuck off
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>>90480631
Is that before Act 6?
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>tfw you are a dog person
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>>90480745
a few more months of delays and they'll just get sick of it, releasing the source code and art assets
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>>90480781
Is Jade still man's best friend?
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>>90480767
That was from the conversation where Karkat yells at John and Dave for talking to Vriska and Terezi.
Karkat has an autistic breakdown and Dave helps John hash out his feelings.
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>tfw you are a cat person
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>>90480552
Dave.
Roxy, Karkat, John, and Tavros all had solid moments too.
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>>90480781
Lucky for you
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>>90480818
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>>90480781
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>>90480757
>pretending
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>>90480802
>whatpumpkin
>open sourcing anything
>not aggressively protecting their intellectual property due to a poor understanding of trademark law
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>>90477603
>shoving it in now would be retarded
We are talking about Hussie, anon. Anything retarded is possible.

>Karkat still not having any use in a substantial Epilogue would be stupid beyond even what Hussie is capable of.
Even if Karkat ends up as Dave's beloved housewife to make fujoshits happy.

>Vriska had such a good arc
People complained how Terezi couldn't just knock her out instead of just killing her.

Vriska haters were pretty happy that Tavros has been avenged (and the "controversial" character is daoots) and then everyone got pissed off that Gamzee got away with two fucking murders and people made some bullshit excuses how Karkat is a pacifist and more killing is wrong.

And then Act 6 happened.
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4/13 is next month, tsunderes

>>90480857
>Jade
>wearing pantsu
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>>90480947
Jade wears panties because she never got to back on her island.
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So why did Hussie fire the original team behind Hiveswap? The one he formed after initially making his own studio to develop the game.
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>>90481066
Ran out of funds. Also some of them did stuff like toddlercon
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>>90481014
More like because she loves the feeling of Dave taking them off while planting butterfly kisses all down her thighs and telling her how pretty she is.
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>>90480947
>4/13 is next month, tsunderes
you come into my house and call me a tsundere
you know who the real tsunderes are
davekat
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>>90481106
a butterfly kiss is when you use your eyelashes
that's pretty gay
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>>90481161
>gay
>going down on a girl with your eyeballs
That's like the opposite of gay
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>>90481115
>davekat
Ew. Gross.
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>>90481066
I haven't been following the development of the game cause there was no word on it for over a year after the kickstarter. I donated a bit to it but I just assumed like so many kickstarter games it became vaporware. What happened exactly?
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>>90480825
Please no
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>>90481086
How did he hire his current team if he ran out of funds?

>>90481195
Short story: He gave a bunch of money to a dev studio to make his game. They used the money to make another game. Huss made his own studio to make the game, fired his first team. Hired a new team.
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>>90481235
>He gave a bunch of money to a dev studio to make his game. They used the money to make another game
So what they ripped him off? That sounds illegal.
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>>90481115
yeah, I love DAVEkat, too
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>>90481252
With a bunch of technicalities that made sueing them impossible
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>>90481252
not when there wasn't a solid contract.
afaik andrew settled out of court
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>>90481277
>>90481283
Which studio was it? I doubt anybody is going to work with them again.
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>>90481161
Dave's a pretty gay guy.
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>>90481299
The Odd Gentlemen and noone actually cares.
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>tfw you are a snake person
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>>90481299
Odd Gentleman. The game should have come out in January too. That didn't happen.
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>>90481299
The Odd Gentlemen.

And because the realities of major legal confrontation economically unviable, they reached an agreement that kept everything hush hush. We only know what we do because of leakers, so anyone not intimately familiar with Hiveswap wouldn't have any clue.
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>>90469145
give me your model and ill do justice to roses face
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>>90481564
Shit animal for a shit character.
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davekat more like daveflat lmoa
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>>90481860
more like real after one month

enjoy your wojack jade edits
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>>90482310
Do you ever leave?
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>>90482455
Do we?
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>>90480673
>tfw we NEVER had a four-way conversation between the original kids
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>>90483031
>tfw we NEVER had a four-way between the original kids
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>>90483237
<3
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eri corps uprise
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Is he /ourguy/?
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>>90484103
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>>90468828
He was funny, when Hussie bothered to write dialogues for him.
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How can one troll be so perfect?
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>>90484652
Source?
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>>90485274
everytime
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>>90485291
Not getting any results for that.
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>>90485265
back off faggotron that's my girlfriend your talking about
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>>90473799

Fuck you for making me laugh at that.
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>>90480117

U-UNATCO?
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>>90485369
you are wrong, my friend
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>>90485661
Why does Aradia have a dick
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ARADIA is smelly
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>>90485701
because I gave her mine.
repeatedly
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>>90468828
>phase 1: dUdE sOpOr LmAo
>phase 2: the innocent dumb character snaps and kills everyone: the trope
>phase 3: he's too problematic for our audience so we'll just lock him in a fridge and stop him from talking for the rest of the comic. Hopefully he won't trigger too much PTSD in our viewers when he is seen next to caliborn!
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>>90485713
I always get aradia and arabia confused because they're both smelly, dusty, barren, impoverished, etc.
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>>90485733
>you will never pound futaradia in her thick ass while giving her a reacharound
I envy you, my dude
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meulin was shit
why do people like her?
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>>90486578
she's hot with a "girl next door" kind of vibe
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>>90485921
>phase 1: dUdE sOpOr LmAo
This was the one phase he was halfway decent. Aside from giving Hussie a great excuse to find funny ways to the Trolls call someone stupid, Gamzee slowly evolved into a pretty likable, good natured character who seemed to genuinely care for the group.

Then LOL KILLER CLOWN.
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>>90486630
>>90485921
I liked him in phase 3, I mean I liked all of his scenes not his overall impact on the plot
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>>90486628
CALFIELD!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>90469776
John Egbert: 0
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will there ever be a sb&hj sequel?
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>>90487038
Will John ever fuck Roxy and Jade?
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>>90487134
10/10
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>>90487134
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>>90487237
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>>90487263
rejected...
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>>90487293
NOT!
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>>90487237
>>90487263
>>90487293
>>90487319
t. nervous investor
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>>90487089
Jade is not interested in John like that.
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>>90487365
Who said she had any say on the matter?
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>>90487339
Hussie has no business judging anyone's financial decisions.
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>>90487365
What? She is just yielding to her primal desires
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remember Kankri is canonly hot
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>>90487456
Her primal desires point striderwards, everyone knows that. Notice how not once as grimbark did she try and solicit John for sexual relations.
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Gamzee was a character. For about five panels. Not a particularly great character, but I was interested to see where Hussie was going with him. Unfortunately the answer turned out to be "nowhere" like with most of the trolls.
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im a little disappointed there was not sloppy makeouts, as karkat predicted
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>>90487518
Any ship that would be healthy or good enough to show such affection was sunk.
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Guys I have a problem. I once shipped John and Kanaya
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>>90487582
was there any healthy relationships?
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>>90487640
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>>90487698
Hussie's never had any, how would he know?
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>>90487698
Well sure, Dave/Jade
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>>90487881
You mean davesprite? I dont remember dave/jade happening except in my fics
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>>90488074
check again
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>>90484125
you cant have an uprising when you're already on top
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>>90487698
The one(s) I like, of course.
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>>90488444
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>>90488536
Which ones are those?
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>>90488444
>Trips
Bet you don't have images of Nepeta cosplayers in her underwear
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>>90487698
anything held up as an example will be bait for misanthropes to call a "bad" relationship. Some people really need to see only disasters surround them.
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>>90488647
No, we have some stuff we pretty much agree are unhealthy, like Terezi/Vriska or Terezi/Gamzee or pretty much anyone with Terezi and Vriska or Rosemary or Davekat or
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>>90488601
But if you lose that bet, you get what you actually wanted.
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>>90488731
Is that Azura
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>>90488573
I was making a joke.

And I ain't gonna shit up a thread with shipping nonsense. Even though they're CLEARLY perfect for each other.
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>>90488805
Who is clearly perfect?
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>>90488731
You can't prove that
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>>90488860
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>>90488731
Video? I lost it
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>>90488860
Your mom and my dick.
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>>90488074
>knight of time
clearly Saber would be the Knight of Hope and Archer would be the Heir of Time
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>>90488962
Don't you stick your tongue out at me, at least I have pants.
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>>90488953
i guess Gil would be rogue of void something similar
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>>90488962
John, it's a dick move to post picks of the girl you are fucking while you fuck her
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>>90488962
Source!!
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>>90489079
Gotta send something to Calliope
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>>90473204
I'm surprised that Dave didn't chew out Rose for naming her panties Belgarath.
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>>90472787
Didn't Problem Sleuth succeed at balancing these out?
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>>90489154
Maybe he's also a David Eddings fan
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>>90489079
>not snapping pics while using your dick
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>>90489074
I could see him as Blood or Space too, given that's he's 2/3 divine and it's this whole thing
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>>90485410
QUIT SCREWING AROUND
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>>90489303
it's difficult to clearly define what "creative integrity" and "pandering to the audience" mean in the context of Problem Sleuth

which I guess... is a good thing?
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>>90489376
okay but who is this being sent to?
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>>90489540
John
It's a universe where they're still bros and swap pics.
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>>90489504
>difficult to clearly define
half the plot points in PS were forum memes
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>>90489600
is that creative integrity or pandering though
what if pandering is your mission statement
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>>90489664
I think it is genuinely both.
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>>90489567
>sending your bro pics of you fucking his mom
>sending your bro pics of you fucking his sister
Seems a bit weird.
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>>90489717
That's how it works. Your choices are pretty limited, so you can either fuck your bro's mom, or his sister. Your choice.
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>>90489717
They're polytheistic Gods, they have to do something to live up to their positions.
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>>90487237
>>90487263
>>90487293
>>90487319
Source laddie? I'm in love with this ship.
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>>90489751
Please, they're not trying hard enough. I bet John has NEVER given birth out of his forehead and not one of them has turned into a thing that you normally don't have sex with and had sex with a girl.
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>>90489812
Jade turned into a dog and probably has had sex, you don't normally have sex with dogs so that counts.
Dave also became a shit character, another thing you normally don't have sex with.
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>>90489805
http://robokatar.tumblr.com/post/20744464600/this-has-been-sitting-in-my-drafts-since-friday
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>>90489751
Were the greek gods just Sburb players?
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Would Rose/John/Kanaya threesome relationship work?
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>>90490109
No but I'd accept Rose/John/Roxy
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>>90490109
no because they're already married
it's impossible to go from monogamy to polyamory and have everyone be happy with it
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>>90490109
I'd rather have John and Kanaya because I'm sure that would be a great relationship despite the fact that they only talked like under 3 times
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>>90490109

I got a better threesome in mind.
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>>90490192
But then John would Dave's brother AND father!
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>>90490294
>John and the troll who killed him
Worst ship also black rom is a meme for humans
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>>90490302
>JOHN: dave you're grounded from my videogames!
>DAVE: dammit john
>JOHN: no swearing young man!
>DAVE: were the same age you moron
>JOHN: that's it, i've had enough of your backsass, go to our room and think about what you've said to your brother!
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>>90490302
John can be the father he never had and also the best bro
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>>90490413
Yeah but
What if at the same time
Jane/Dave/Jade
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>>90490435
That leaves Dirk and Jake together
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>dave never used the sord....
>dave never bleated like goat for ironic purposes
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>>90490473
No, Jake marries an actress who isn't a sociopath.
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>>90490528

Dave never used a lot of the shit he mad, much 2 my eternal dissapointment. I'd love to see the fetus Mr. T in action.

If it makes u feel better Robo-Dirk did bleat like a goat.
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>>90490528
>dave never bleated like goat for ironic purposes
he did though, but it was in a track by bill bolin, and the replacement song didnt have any bleating
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>>90490528
But
The sord.... was too shitty to use.
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Remember when John was not a homosexual
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>>90490294
>>90490192
>>90490109

Or.

Just throwing it out there.

What is ALL the John threesomes?
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>>90490965
You mean today?
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>>90490996
Vriska/John/(vriska)
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>>90491113

.......ALL. THE. JOHN. SHIPS.

Also fuck you I don't even have time to do the fics I've started don't start giving me new terrible glorious ideas.
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>>90491178
I was trying to come up with a really dumb ship that was still sorta plausible
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>>90491178
i think hussie made john a cuck to piss off shippers
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>>90491288
Why couldn't hussie have made a cuckquean character
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>>90491178
Nigger you've been tantalizing these threads with possibility of some John/Vriska content for the longest fucking time. Stop jerking me around so I can start... Well you know.
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>>90491749
>*blank* the hedhog (random number string)
>Calliope fan

Yup, everything checks out.
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>>90491275

Aside from the not-a-homosexual part, John's kind of a shipping Swiss Army Knife. could get pretty much any straight ship with him to work if you're half-decent at fic writing, as I can attest.

>>90491288

That would imply Hussie has thought about any plot/relationship developments in Homestuck at any point in the last three years.

>>90491732

I'd love nothing more than to get back to fic-ing, but my current schedule sucks harder than Dave and Karkat after Cohen got done with them combined times a thousand. Just a little longer, I hope.
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So I finished Homestuck a few weeks ago after dropping it a while back and I gotta say I really missed it. Since it's been awhile, I thought the fandom was mostly dead. But I'm glad you guys are still kicking. Now I can lurk like the good old days even if it's only a running on fumes.
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>>90491881
What female is the hardest to pair with him. I think Nep or a relative of hers
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>>90492066

Of the main cast, probably Nepeta, yeah. Beyond that, any of the Dancestors, aside from Porrim. Using Porrim is a fic cheat, too.
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>>90492066
Fef>Nep for your question
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>>90492066
Casey or Serenity
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>>90491820
It's 12345, which is even worse. It just sounds like they're 11 years old and stupid.
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>>90492349
I was 11 once but I at least never had numbers in my username like a pleb.
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>>90470251
>messed up eridan's quirk
It's shit, never post this again.
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>>90492349
>dave not wearing sunglasses
why?
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>>90492433
He is wearing sunglasses though, they're on his head.
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>>90492433
>not taking off your sunglasses so you can properly see your qt puppygirl and the other version of yourself railing her ass
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>>90490109
Got a better one
>>
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>>90473244
This is true. I get the feeling he hasn't had fun with Homestuck for a very very long time. I mean shit. Look at what happened after 2012. He was all excited and wrote up the game script and was gonna hop into the finale then it got pushed back by The Odd Gentlemen, his dad dying, whenever he updated having to deal with his shitty fanbase (caucasian, the anime lord english joke where he had to go out and apologize and make sure people knew he wasn't making fun of the terrible anime lord english he got from deviantart, etc.)

I'd say I feel sorry for him but the cocksucker constantly promised and never delivered. Act 7 was half assed because he wanted to wash his hands of it. The ending didn't fit where the comic currently was at all.
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>>90492349
why did you add a shadow to that burrito?
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>>90492684
Truly that is better John and all the females except like Jade&Jane and the dead chicks
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>>90492797
Because it's found you. Run while you can.
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i wish davexmeenah had a chance of happening
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>>90493004
But I changed my name!
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Have you ever made it hapen?
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>>90493269
I've never had that close of a relationship with someone who wasn't family, so no.
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>>90493259
But you haven't changed your soul.
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Say it with me, homestuck is trash and we should stop caring about it and move onto something else.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZi47HyT300
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>>90493639
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>>90488929
I checked, and it's been set to private. I guess you've gotta ask the person who did it if you want to see it now.
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>>90493733
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>>90490965
>>90491029

He's living the dream.
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>>90493631
Gross
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>>90493891
what kinda filename
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>>90489500
/r/ing the Jaycee Denton fantroll gif
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>>90492066
I would say Feferi or Kanaya. They just wouldn't... mix, I think.
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Where the hell is Hiveswap?
Where the hell is the epilogue?
Where the hell is anything?
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>>90493269
Several times to my friends who are vaguely aware its a homestuck reference
They groan every time but they make it happen
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>>90494246
In Karkat's vagina.
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>wake up
>retarded shipping discussion
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>>90494020
Why is Karkat a troll but Kanaya isn't
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is there an anon here who once told a story to hsg about masturbating to his gf's mother's feet
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>>90494466
>thread has 370 replies
>expect homestuck theories and discussion for the epilogue

What I got:
>porn crop spam
>calliope spam
>remember this oldfag ship
>dude threesomes lmao

Anyway, which plot hole did Hussie never solve?
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Did they ever explain how Vriska ends up in WV'S nightmare?

My first thought is dream bubbles, but we're never given any indication that the exiles can go inside dreambubbles when they sleep.
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>>90494993

Not necessarily a plothole, but this hasn't happened yet.
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>>90495213
did ANY of those happen
like, even metaphorically
play the rain? drop it like it's hot? anything?
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>>90494558
It's Dolorosa and Kankri, where she's a super catholic woman who gets given the grub as a pet after she miscarries her baby.
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>>90495231
yes we know >>90495036
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>>90495271
Your thing is a dumber description, mine explained it better.
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>>90495299
Whatever.
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>>90495213
John "extinguishing flames" kinda did with the retcon.
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>>90494313
welp
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>>90495460
Shut up Rose
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>>90495572
Like you haven't thought about it.
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>>90495590
I haven't you dumb slut.
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>>90495624
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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>>90495460
>>90495590
>>90495619
>>>/aoc/ for retarded fetish discussion
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>>90495674
Yes, sir.
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Is Karkat a good example how a shitty fanbase can destroy a character this hard?
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God, I wish I could be platonic pals with Karkat, and hold his grey troll hand.
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>>90495460
>>90495619
>>90495726
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>>90495719
Yes.

I'd post a pic of him drawn by gelasticat but even I have standards as to what goes in my HS folder.
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>>90495885
>gelasticat
Yikes, no need to get drastic.
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Do you guys think that Hiveswap will try to be its own story with only small events related to the main comic, or will it have some big implications in the main canon? Just pretend Cohen can write for this conjecture.
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>>90495907
I haven't been genuinely surprised by one of these in a while. Fuck is with the legs?
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>>90495915
it's going to be a shitty aside that hussie will deem canon.
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By the way, this is what Gelasticat's Karkat looks like.
Note the jewelry representing quads.

>>90495939
They're insectoid?
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>>90495776

Thank u for helping me realize how much I enjoy watching Vriska suffer.
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>>90496056
Fuck you.
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>>90496056
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>>90496069
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>>90496056

Bonus for an Equius man
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>>90496218
what if I just...
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>>90496218
What a disappointment this comic was.

>I am Hussie and I need to force Scourge Sisters hard
>oh, and Equius is a nice guy, the end
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>>90496250
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>>90496270
He could never fuck her, she'd shatter like a small glass owl.
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What would've happened to Equius's character if we moved beyond horse cocks and fetish jokes?
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>>90496313
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>>90496305
which begs the question

WHO can he fuck?
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>>90496328
Vriska in a suit of armor.
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>>90496338
I don't think you understand how STRONG he is.
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>>90496328
Darkleer and Horuss.
Same time.
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>>90487518
I'm a little disappointed that all of Karkats greatness was forgotten for the remainder of the comic as well.
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>>90496353
Then he'll make robots to fuck her.
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>>90496305
But Aradia can survive Equius!
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>Vriska having a just death after Equius rips her in two with his cock will never be canon
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>>90496405
>Implying it will be just
>implying she wouldn't revive
>implying they wouldn't keep fucking
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>>90496381
Yeah but it's less hot
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>>90496251

>nice guy

He took Vriska, unconscious, into his basement. We know he fixed his arm but he could have done more shit that we wouldn't know anything about.
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>>90496421
>it's an endless cycle of death and fucking
>yfw it's heroic when equius reaches climax for the first time in his life
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>>90496381
PRONE
BONE
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Are you guys done with your stupid fetish discussion?

>>90496439
And then it spawned millions of torture and rape fics, the end.
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>>90496459
Oh my god. And Vriska could have never predicted. She thought she was signing on for a weekend of good times.
Never knowing she was giving her life in an act of goodwill.
Beautiful. I'll take a script by next week, should be able to submit a draft to Paradox Space shortly.
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>>90496463
Do you have a better thing to discuss?
Perhaps the heroism and divine sacrifices of a Serket?
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>>90496507
yes

bullying evil scum such as the manlet who always bitches
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>>90496532
>tells the fetishists to shut up
>just so he can discuss his own fetish
Your femdon nonsense disgusts me.
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>>90496586
>implying I am the guy you replied to
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>>90496625
Alright then, you're someone else.
And your fetish is shit.
Karkat deserves better you fuck.
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>>90496531
Dumb spider
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>>90496361
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>>90496634
>deserves better
terezi? vriska fucked her
kanaya? vriska fucked her while rose was drunk
meenah? (vriska), duh
jade? she made her fall asleep and then molested her
gay ships? she made them all straight

she isn't into femdom
she is into ruining his fucking life
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>>90496684
No, Vriska needs to stop stealing away people from more deserving people.
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This thread has become infested with Spiders. >:(
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>>90496792

At least there was a moment where everything was Equius. It's cool seeing someone other than Karkat, Vriska, Kanaya, or Nepeta getting attention in here on the troll end of the spectrum.
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>>90496732
Or Karkat should just rape the spider and teach her a lesson with Nepeta's help!
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>>90496531
2cute
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>>90497109
F8CK K8TNEP
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>>90496813
>>90497150
Dumb spiderposter.
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>>90471809
Hussie:
>Went from good art to fast and loose art
>to not even drawing panels himself
>to merely letting artists make shit up and get his approval
>He rushed the ending
>He didn't even storyboard Collide himself
>He handed off writing Hiveswap to some no-name twitter guy
>Radio silence on every single Homestuck sideproject since Namco High, barely updates on Hiveswap
It's clear he no longer wants to work on the comic and anything related to it. I'd even say he looks fucking desperate to leave it all behind forever.

Anything Homestuck from now on is going to be the work of What Pumpkin and Hussie's art team, with Hussie's only role being to provide the go-ahead.

"He" is not working on other stuff, he's not "having a team help him", he's not working on anything Homestuck ever again, there's nothing to expect, we can all move on now.

>>90472543
This fandom is going to be back on life support a single year after Hiveswap is out (assuming it's euthanized by someone sensible at WP eventually). It'll be like Undertale but worse, since the game will leave major plot threads dangling but the planned sequels will never get funded.
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>>90497345
I'd be fine with Hussie fucking off if he had left it in the hands of someone even semi-competent, instead of a bunch of college kids with no actual sense of anything. But anyone who could be a worthy successor is busy doing their own projects.
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>>90497393
that's a good thing, better that people with talent and worth establish themselves in meaningful ways than be tied to Homestuck. Cohen's fate as "that guy who can't write Homestuck" is fine by me.
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You know i havent followed hs in years
Reading this thread deeply depressed me
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>>90497548
hope you didn't like Dave dude
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>>90497566
Y-yeah...
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>>90497566
Hussie evidently didn't.
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Official Trolls as ethnics:

Aradia = Mexican
Tavros = Spanish
Sollux = Indian
Karkat = Swedish
Nepeta = Russian
Kanaya = Transylvanian
Terezi = Jewish
Vriska = Australian
Equius = German
Gamzee = Texan
Eridan = French
Feferi = African
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>>90492349
>that
>disgusting
Shit taste
Also make Dave fuck Rose
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SLUTTIN AN STRUTTIN AN SUCKIN AN FUCKIN!
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So are we gonna ignore guy's autistic screeching?
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>>90497734
The real question is why the janitor deletes anti-davekat posts that are on-topic but not this shit.
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>>90497673
>Tavros
>Spanish
>Not Filipino like Dante

>>90480928
>People complained how Terezi couldn't just knock her out instead of just killing her.
I wish "characters act impulsively sometimes, it makes for a good story" was the dominant mindset instead of "but she didn't do the Logical Thing!".

But even then. There was a VERY REAL risk that Vriska would just... you know, wake up and confront Jack anyway, unless Terezi watched her closely, which simply isn't possible when there's a murderclown running around.
I guess she could have stuffed her in a fridge. Would've been funny.
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>>90497734
That's what filters are for
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>>90497673

This is stupid, but fuck it I want to try.

Aradia = Japanese
Tavros = Filipino
Sollux = Chinese
Karkat = Irish, and he dyes his ginger hair black.
Nepeta = Mediterranean
Kanaya = Jewish
Terezi = Southern White
Vriska = Latino
Equius = German
Gamzee = Nordic
Eridan = British
Feferi = Black
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>be Karkat
>be proud of beating up a small guy
>realize Jake beat up the whole Felt army while you struggled with a single midget
>
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>>90497939
Why the fuck can't Karkat finally do something cool and we all laugh at Vriska suffering and humiliating herself?

What the fuck, Hussie?
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>>90497768
>filter
>retarded spammer fills up the post count
Why not report him, dumb Jade poster?
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>>90496876
>tumblr nose
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>>90499365
>Homestuck fan
>discriminating artistic tastes
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>>90499309
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>Janitors exist
Holy shit.

But seriously, this thread is goddamn awful.

>>90497763
>"characters act impulsively sometimes, it makes for a good story"
You are correct. Terezi handled this situation well and Vriska would have found a way to fight Jack Noir. But I wish Vriska was a good character, not the fucking mess where Hussie plays around with her corpse in Act 6 (she got a fucking happy ending with alt John in Act 5 unlike Eridan) and displays it as good and the post-retcon one is the irredeemable cunt who should stay dead and never learn. Shit, I would have wanted (Vriska) to kick her ass and get all the glory while Vriska suffers and learns a lesson. And then I realized my wish is just a monkey's paw and she was just a meme character all along.

Like Karkat being one as well. And I want to say Terezi, but maybe I dislike her arc being about "I love Vriska".
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>>90499397
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>>90498041
because subversion, and also femdom probably

on a meta level, homestuck is a cautionary tale about not letting your literary fetishes and actual fetishes seep into your work, among other things
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what has tumblr done to our john??
this is not right!!
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>>90499801
Yeah the way he handled Vriska's arc was completely baffling. Looks like he wanted to either troll or satisfy everyone (Vriska fans, Vriska stans and Vriska haters) by splitting Vriska into the Good Vriska Who Gets Fucked Over and the Bad Vriska Who Is Still Being Awful... but in the end he disappointed us all.

Terezi and Karkat's arcs were complete mess, and Kanaya is a non-character anyway. It's odd how out of the original five (CG GC AT GA AG) only Tavros, the least relevant one, ended up with anything close to a satisfying endgame.
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>>90499801
>>90500855
(Vriska) was just as fucking awful as full backslide Vriska, just for different reasons. And infinitely less interesting or amusing.
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>>90500859
>>90501942
Nepeta was a mistake.
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>>90500855

Judging by the terrible way Vriska's eyes were rendered in Act 7 I seriously think the original plan wasn't to bring her back to life at all. When the story had to be wrapped up it looks like Hussie took the piss out on everyone who was invested in the characters they were following. Davesprite, Terezi, Karkat, Rose, even Vriska had everything swerved out of the way. The whole post-retcon End of Homestuck all just feels like it kicked the longterm fans in the crotch and Credits is just spitting on them while they were down in the dirt.
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>>90502357
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>I got warned for talking about a fanfiction
Is that a thing, now? Even when it's fanfic of the comic topic?
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>>90500549
Who's that?
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>>90502750
Aradia as a waitress by Loki Roki
http://lokiroki.tumblr.com/post/148644019476/some-old-art-alt-version
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>>90502825
How can that be Aradia? Aradia doesn't have a fang.
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>>90502871
Ask them.
They also did an alternate version in green, presumably the Handmaid. Maybe that explains it.
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There's something i never really understood about the scratch. Since the scratch is making a new timeline by sending the baby meteors to different points, wouldn't that mean that the timeline is the same before the first baby arrives? This isn't the case though, and i'm not sure how that works.
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>>90503041
Yeah, they're not massive changes to the overall timeline, but depending on where and when the babies end up, things change radically for them in particular.
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>>90503041
Because it resets the entire Universe, not just the session.
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>>90502973
megidos have flat teeth
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>>90503105
that's not true though? All the scratch does is redirect the meteors and all the changes happens because of that.
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>>90503127
Listen.
Buddy.
I don't know what to tell you.
It's fanart. I didn't draw it. She has an aries symbol on her shirt and ram's horns. That's clearly meant to be Aradia, sharp teeth or no.
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>>90503163
so a shitty artist then
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>>90503186
No, I don't think they're a shitty artist, I think you're a shitty autist.
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>>90503150
It explicitly states that it does. Besides, think about how the Alpha works, you need to reset the Universe.
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>>90503214
ok loki
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>>90503186
It was a meme you dip. She gave Aradia a fang, everyone flipped, she gave Aradia more fangs, I made increasingly shitty edits, etc.
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>>90503327
nu-hsg has the worst memes
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>>90503234
How does it reset the universe then?
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>>90503601
The same way that dying on a quest bed makes someone semi immortal, it just does.
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I miss homestuck.
also, been out kf this threads for a year now. anything new or spicy?
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>>90504237
Hiveswap still not out. Cohen made updates, they suck. Watch Credits if you haven't. Shit posts never stop.
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>>90504392
I saw the credits, I think it was better than the act 8 video honestly since it closed a lot of things. I can't quite remember who Cohen is.
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>>90504461
Dude writing Hiveswap.

https://upd8.ninja/snaps/

You will laugh once, MAYBE twice in the first update, then never again.
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>>90504208
...i don't think you're right about this dude, it's clearly stated that skaia doesn't have control over much of anything besides the defense portals, and that it's the redirected meteors that causes the "reset"
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>>90504556
Go read the description of the Scratch again. Or hell, look at Beforus, Doc was added to that Universe.
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>>90504643
What i'm saying IS the description of the scratch. and i don't get what you're trying to say about Beforus.
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>>90504544
>"karkat is problematic"
for fucks sakez
>pic related

also, how did jane scaped the moon being blown up? and did took jack's eyes off? or why are they red and driping blood?
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>>90504237
I hate the way andrew and his ilk have gotten lazy about drawing Caliborn/English's billiard ball eyes.

Missing numbers, pairing solids with solids rather than stripes.
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>>90504807
Read it again, because it mentions resetting the Universe.

And Doc Scratch wasn't put there by a simple meteor swap.
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>>90504862
They pretended it was the holocaust and got into the oven.
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>>90504862
Punched the oven into next week.
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>>90505069
Oh, and that isn't blood, it's techno lines. He is being controlled by the tiara.
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>>90504989
"Skaia's influence however is limited, and it can only do so much. It has full control only over the defense portals, and can reconfigure them to lead to different points in time. As such, it changes the history of the host universe by sending ecto-babies to a different arrival time."

From the Wiki
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>>90505144
Why the fuck are you talking about Skaia, why the fuck are you looking at the wiki, why the fuck?
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>>90505069
nice, so the punching guy died by staying out amd punching. and thae jack thing ia good, he does not deserves happiness
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>>90504989

Just popping into this thread to tell you that you are wrong. The ONLY thing the Scratch does is change what point in time the meteors get sent to.

Doc Scratch wasn't on Beforus simply because his meteor was sent there extremely late, like Damara's meteor on Alternia.
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>>90505215
He also doesn't deserve being a mind slave.
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>>90505214
are you saying the wiki is wrong? cause generally "durr anyone can edit wikipedia" is considered a poor argument.
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>>90502686
Kinda. Like, before we got into this whole hiatus, it was needed to put fanfiction and the like spoilered. Though fanadventures and mentioning once in a while didn't seem like a problem. There was evena thread once of people arguing about Double Death of the Author because some anons were actually recommending it
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>>90503239
Loki would have a Loki name on her even when dozens of people would be using the name Loki. She doesn't seem the type to pose as other anons
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>>90505266
That wiki is constantly wrong, it's an unsourced mess. Read the actual words in the comic. But hell:

>Essentially, it is a mechanism by which a session, and the universe tied to it, can be reset to an indeterminate point in the past. The process releases a great deal of temporal energy, and the universe will then redevelop differently and eventually produce new Sburb sessions possibly very different from the one in which the scratch was initiated.

From the wiki.
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>>90504862
I just hope if these snaps ever turn out to for some god forsaken reason to be canon that Roxy, Jane and Callie were only having a platonic girls night out
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>>90505223
Ok let me ask you then since you seem smart.

If the kid meteors arriving at different times is the thing that changes the timeline, then it stands to reason that the timeline is is the same before the first kid arrives. So why is this not the case?
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>>90505330
sounds like a quote from someone who doesn't quite understand what the scratch is. Hell at one point the general consensus was that the scratch was a rift that let the demon into the troll session.
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>>90490627
Who is that zaimen daimen.
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>>90505379
Read the comic.
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>>90505379
That was actually spelled out during the comic
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doing requests over here
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>>90505477
John fucking Aranea while Roxy watches blushing
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>>90505477
aradias
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>>90505342

There are other small differences because of other changes to the meteors. Nothing other than what's caused by the meteors is different.

Come to think of it, the First Guardian and frog temple meteors aren't duplicated, only the kid ones are. The differences in First Guardians are simply because FGs are made inside game sessions, and the pre-scratch and post-scratch sessions are different. Bec is only on pre-scratch Earth because he was made in the pre-scratch session. GCAT was made in the post-scratch session and sent to post-scratch Earth.
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>>90505477
Your choice of Trolls shoving Vriska into a locker.
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>>90505330
>new sburb sessions
i always wondered - how many successful sburb sessions are there, anyway?
it's mentioned that a lot of them fail, but surely there's enough succeeding that universes can actually propagate?

also, can literally any session activate a scratch? is the scratching equipment in every session? what happens to the other sessions during a scratch? why does a scratch kill the session performing it? why aren't there any actual consequences to fucking with the timeline so hard?
i have so many weird little questions about this whole thing. why is scratching even an option and not just something the universe does eventually to maximize chances of successful sessions
inb4 muh temporal inevitability
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>>90505572
the FG and Frog Temple meteors are what i'm wondering about. those are the main things we know to be different even before the first kid arrives.
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>>90505266

The wiki is wrong literally all the time, it's written by stupid teenage girls.

Here's what the Scratch does:

1: Changes the point in time player meteors are sent to, thus creating an alternate timeline on the planet that spawned the session
2: Destroys the session(but not the universe that spawned it). You can still interact with the session in an earlier point in time, it's not erased from history.

No more or less than this. The Scratch isn't really a "reset", it's only a way to create an extra timeline for another shot at beating the game.
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>>90505631
Imagine reproduction. A lot of the sperm fails, yet we have billions of humans today in the world
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>>90505678

Still, nothing changes in the universe other than what's directly caused by meteors.
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Skaia doesn't reset the universe, the Beat Mesa fucking does. That's why it's RADIATING ENERGY when sliced with Echnida's mega powerful quills. In the new universe Skaia only gets to decide new portal positions and that's it. The reset power is part of SBURB.
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>>90505710
Well yeah clearly something does change. The pre scratch FG and FT meteors doesn't arrive, replaced by ones made in the new session.
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>>90505631
I seem to recall Hussie mentioning that at most one session per species could succeed, but I might be wrong. Either way, every Universe would have so many species that you don't need a huge success rate.
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>trusting the mspa wiki
>Karkat was in a red relationship with Terezi which was proven wrong
>citing piggy's troll image as proof for a relationship when she later claims its now a OT3
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>>90496805
This, but the Vriska and Terezifuckers get their jimmies rustled when it's not their Mary Sue bitch(es) getting the attention.

Eq a bro.
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>>90505688
why are you telling me this? that's what i was trying to explain.

>>90505719
The Beat Mesa is what tells Skaia to start the scratch
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>>90505688
Again, the Alpha.

You need to reset the Universe or the changes would just doom the timeline. The meteors are just how the Denizens can alter events.
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>>90505761

But those meteors are different as a direct result of players being sent to different times, and thus spawning a different session. The scratch doesn't have anything to do with it directly.
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>>90505546
>>90505566
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>>90505830

What the hell are you talking about? The denizens have nothing to do with this, and the universe isn't reset, both versions of the universe exist side by side.
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>>90505847
yeah but what makes the pre scratch meteors not arrive?
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>>90505477
2 girls kissing
if that's not too lewd
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>>90505871
Every Scratch was preceded by a deal with a Denizen. In fact I think Scratch or Rose mention that a Scratch without a deal would just result in the exact same thing happening again.
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>>90505819
The Beat Mesa doesn't tell Skaia anything as far as I know, Skaia just figures out what new portals to create in the new chronology.

>>90505871
I'm not this anon -- you're right about the Denizens not having a say, but
>the universe isn't reset, both versions of the universe exist side by side.
I think you're getting "genesis frogs contain every alternate timeline version of a universe" with "genesis frogs contain both the pre- and post-scratch version" (the latter is incorrect; Jack Noir destroyed the beta universe and the alpha kids did just fine.)
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>>90506005
You seem to forget that no, Jack did destroy the Alphaverse.
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>>90506037
No Jack destroyed most of the frog leaving just a foot where the Alpha universe exists. The Beta universe gets got.
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>>90506005

Genesis Frogs DO contain both pre and post scratch versions. Did you somehow forget that Jack's Red Miles also arrived in the post-scratch universe around the time of Dirk: Unite and Dirk Synchronize? It was explicitly stated that the Miles arrived a little later there simply because the two versions of the timeline were stored in different parts of the frog.
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>>90506076
>>90506005
>>90505882
>>90505830

Read the comic people. It's been a few years, don't try to argue when you don't remember the facts.
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>>90506076
Do you not recall Roxy getting hard murdered by the miles? The miles still came.
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>>90506109
Except you're arguing against things explicitly stated in the comic.
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>>90506005 (Me)
Actually I --suppose-- Skaia figures a scratch is taking place. I guess it could tell it about the scratch. But I'm fairly certain the scratching power is still part of the Beat Mesa. That's why players need to start it.

And by "Denizens don't have a say" I mean Echnida (maybe Cetus? Didn't Aranea mention her?) is involved when handing out the Quills, but they don't decide the specifics.

>>90506037
>>90506079
My bad, you're both right. The alpha universe has to be contained somewhere after all. I thought the post-scratch red miles that did a good job at murdering the alpha kids (as >>90506136 states) were Droog's.
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>>90505913
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>>90506168
Beforus's Scratch is the more obvious example of the Denizens having influence. The deal was for the Trolls to be a race strong enough to win the game, which required a specific set of changes.
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>>90506166

All the posts I quoted were wrong, one way or another.

You don't know which posts I have made, but nothing I have said has been wrong.

Chances are you are just being retarded and taking things said by characters in the comic for facts, when they themselves were wrong. None of the characters knew how the Scratch truly worked until Rose researched it and explained everything in one of the Act 6 intermissions.
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>>90506277
dude one of those was me asking a question. how can a question be wrong? btw still wanting answers to that question. >>90505882
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>>90506339

The question itself was wrong because you asked why something that doesn't happen happens.

There are no meteors that "don't arrive".
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>>90506277
We are told, explicitly, in human words, that it resets the Universe.
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>>90506364
So you're saying that the meteor carrying Bec does in fact arrive in the alpha session?
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>>90506376

Your retardation must be beyond imagination if you still think this after this whole long discussion where how it actually works has been explained repeatedly.
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>>90506415
You made shit up, based on your interpretation of events, I read the comic and considered it canon.
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>>90506410

No it doesn't. Because only the player meteors can have their temporal destinations changed. The other meteors from each session only target the timeline that spawned said session. That's why there was no reckoning on post-scratch Earth.

As far as we know anyway. Maybe other portals can be affected by the Scratch as well, but that hasn't happened that we have seen.
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>>90505477
draw this fantroll specifically please!
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>>90506461

What I said is literally canon as explained in the comic, and what you said is what you thought because you didn't pay enough attention and believed in things said by characters who didn't know what the Scratch actually did.
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>>90506487
>No it doesn't. Because only the player meteors can have their temporal destinations changed.

Which is exactly why the Bec meteor should still arrive on newborn earth. Except it doesn't. Which lead to me asking why. Which lead to this whole topic arriving 50 posts ago, on a meteor.
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The two timelines don't exist on different parts of the Frog, the Frog changes.

See; The Condesce existing in both.

>>90506520
Cool headcanon.
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>>90506604
hahaha nice headcanon, stuuuupid.
anyway here's my headcanon about the genesis frog transforming or w/e. hope you like it
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>>90506595

I can't believe I'm still repeating myself to you retards, but here goes.

The pre-scratch and post-scratch timelines are in different physical locations in the frog. Any meteor coming through a portal only goes to one of them, EXCEPT when Skaia duplicates the player meteors. Like I literally just said in my previous post, there is no reckoning on post-scratch Earth, proving that all those meteors only landed on pre-scratch Earth - Frog Temple and Bec meteors included.
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>>90506604

My "headcanon" is 100% fact. Just stop posting, you have no idea what you're talking about, as demonstrated in this post, which is easily debunked by the fact that the Red Miles take 3 more years to reach the post-scratch universe than the pre-scratch one, explicitly stated to be because they're in different parts of the frog.
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>>90506670
Well I presented an outside entity existing in two different instances after being subjected to events, which seems pretty conclusive.

But enjoy your headcanon that directly contradicts the comic.
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>>90506678
What does the frog have to do with it? Do you think the meteors gets transported to outside the frog and then shoot into it?
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>>90506487
>only the player meteors can have their temporal destinations changed
Where is this stated?
After all, the frog temple does appear on post-scratch Earth. If you were right there would be two frog temples on pre-scratch Earth.
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>>90506604

If the universe was overwritten, Jake and Jade couldn't have communicated between them, retard.
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>>90506721
It's almost like Earth was elsewhere, like Universe got changef slightly, in some kind of reset.
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>>90506751

>If you were right there would be two frog temples on pre-scratch Earth.

What the fuck would make you think this? Are you seriously retarded?

The post-scratch frog temple is from the post-scratch session. We haven't seen how it was sent through a portal but characters have talked about having to do it.
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>>90506751
it's a different frog temple though, if it was the same it would contain all the same stuff in the lotus pod.
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>>90506783

I guess when you use the copy machine you call it "resetting the paper". Because that's literally the same thing.
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>>90506835
Except for the many things that aren't.
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>>90506604
>The two timelines don't exist on different parts of the Frog, the Frog changes.
>See; The Condesce existing in both.
wait, wasn't there something about pre-scratch condy, the one who married sassacre, having escaped the scratch somehow (thanks to LE) to become an evil tyrant on post-scratch earth?

anyway, the weird time shit was arguably one of the most interesting part of the comic judging by this entire conversation. shame it got dropped so fast mid act 6.
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>>90506812
>>90506783
>>90506751
>>90506739
>>90506736
>>90506604
>>90506595
>>90506461
>>90506410
>>90506376

^All these posts are made by people who need to read the fucking comic and stop posting until they do.

This isn't a matter of debate, they are objectively wrong.
>>
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>>90506901

Except this one >>90506812, sorry that one's correct.
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>>90506878
The whole Condy thing is confusing to me. Like why would she need to escape from the prescratch and travel into the postscratch? Wouldn't she already be there? Does the fact that she's from a different frog mean that she's somehow existing seperately to this frogs canon?
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>The release of temporal energy will be quite massive.
>This is a hard reset. It will reboot the conditions in your universe well before you began playing the game.

From Scratch, the omniscient dude who doesn't lie.
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>>90506830
Fair point. It's been a while since I've read the comic. (And this is my only post in this reply chain, if that's of any reassurance.)
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>>90506878
Condy conceivably survived the Reckoning, but was subject to the Scratch.
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>>90506983

The omniscient dude who said this while tricking the players into doing his evil bidding. You fucking retard.

And as usual, he is twisting words, not outright lying. The conditions in the universe were changed... by making a new timeline with changed conditions. And the session was terminated, which could be called a "hard reset".

But the universe and the session are two different things, and nothing was actually replaced with something new.
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>>90506961

If you read the posts by the smart people in this discussions (aka the ones that know the Scratch isn't a reset and that the only change is the timing of the player meteors), you would know that Condy wasn't duplicated.

She went to the pre-scratch universe, and failed her mission. She then went to the post-scratch universe and did things more ruthlessly - killing Halley instead of letting one of the kids run off with him and causing Bec to exist, etc. Clearly she learned from her mistakes, and wasn't merely a duplication via the scratch. As for how she traveled between the timelines, we don't know, but there are plenty of teleporters, portals and transmaterializers that can do it.
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>>90507057
Name a single advantage or change that that simple distinction would make.
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>>90507057
oh boy, that's one fucking evil lie by omission here. scratch sure screwed them over good with that.
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>>90507250
>>90507199

Nice goalpost moving. I was right and you were wrong. Now we're done here.
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>>90507321
Sure, enjoy your headcanon.
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>>90507321
i'm not part of this conversation i just think what you did was fucking hilarious
>other anon quotes doc scratch: look, you say this isn't a universe reset, but he's calling this a hard reset
>you: but doc scratch lies by omission! he's using that definition to manipulate the beta kids into misunderstanding sburb lingo!! checkmate atheists!!!
can't make this shit up
>>
VRISKA IS A FAT DUMB BITCH!
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>>90507153
yeah but doesn't she arrive BEFORE the kid meteors? If the timeline is the same before that then she would just already be there still.
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>>90507424
>>90507359
>>90507250
>>90507199
>>90506983

ROSE: To understand what happened, it really helps to understand exactly what a scratch is.
ROSE: When John severely damaged the Beat Mesa on your planet, and sent it off to Skaia to release its temporal energy there, you could view it as a kind of "request."
ROSE: We were asking Skaia to change everything at a fundamental level, and we gave it the energy to do so.
ROSE: But Skaia is a very passive entity. It only "knows" and "sees," but it never quite "acts."
ROSE: When it is asked to change everything, there is only so much it has control over.
ROSE: In fact, it has control over exactly one thing. The defense portals.
ROSE: It can decide to send important meteors to different points in time than originally planned, thus creating alternate realities.
ROSE: Offshoots of promise, rather than futility.
ROSE: And it turns out the most important meteors of all tend to be the ones delivering the young players to their planet.
ROSE: So all it has to do to change everything is tweak their destination times a bit.
ROSE: All internally-prompted changes in the post-scratch universe are decided entirely by this modest adjustment to the parameters.
ROSE: It's a very simple concept, actually.
ROSE: Yet the consequences are dramatic. It results in not only a hard reset for the session, but a partial reset for the universe too, due to the many causal entanglements between a session and its originating universe.
DAVE: what do you mean tweak the destination times
DAVE: where did they get sent to
ROSE: A variety of different time periods.
ROSE: The simplest way to way to look at it is to picture the original destinations of our two groups of four ecto-babies...
ROSE: And switch them.


Now fucking hang yourself casuals.
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>>90507953
>It results in not only a hard reset for the session, but a partial reset for the universe too

Loving
Every
Laugh
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>>90498233
>expects hotpockets to do his job
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>>90508349
But hotpockets did his job
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>>90508197

>Grasping at straws this hard due to getting so thoroughly BTFO
>Literally resorting to quoting partial sentences out of context due to it being the only part of an entire paragraph that can be construed to not decisively and categorically destroy all your arguments

You're only digging yourself deeper.
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>>90508395
Oh man, you are butt blasted. We got two quotes now, from seperate sources calling it a reset, need we find a third?
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>>90506983
>The release of temporal energy will be quite massive.

Sounds lewd
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>>90508483
Reminds me of how Davesprite apparently ejaculated game code.
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>>90508471

You are beyond retarded if you think this discussion is about semantics.

This discussion is about how the scratch works. Some people refused to accept that the only thing the scratch does is change where meteors are sent. I have provided proof that this is correct. End of story.
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>>90508567
Except Rose just said it doesn't. It changes it as though it always were, causing a reset on reality. In overwrites the timeline, it doesn't co-exist. It's a reset.
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This thread is gonna end before i get a proper answer to my original question :(
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>>90508694
Just make a new thread and hope hotpockets doesn't nuke it. Make sure to continue the debate with the OP.
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>>90508549
Well now Davepeta just ejaculates bad character
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>>90508679
sounds like semantics to me
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>>90508716
I don't wanna make a OP i'm too scared
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>>90508721
It changes thr fundamental nature of the Frog, whether Condesce is the somehow magiced over from the Beta, etc.
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>>90508679

After 8000 pages of Homestuck's approach to time travel and alternate timelines, this is what you believe. Even though characters literally exchanged letters between the pre-scratch and post-scratch timeline.

That takes astronomical retardation. I can't believe it's possible to be this stupid.
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>>90508784
I got quotes. You don't.
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>>90508781

You have no idea what you're talking about here. You are ignoring all facts from the comic and just throwing out retarded ideas to a room full of people who actually read the comic and know that you are wrong. Something doesn't fit? Your explanation is "magic i dunno lol".

You're "that kid" in class, congratulations.
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>>90508784
wait a minute, is this guy not understanding that all different timelines exist within the frog? is that what this is all about?
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>>90508810

>I don't need logic or reason when I have the words of fictional children on my side

This is the kind of stuff that causes religion to happen.
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>>90508855
Again, both Scratch and Rose describe it as such.
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>>90508873

Yes, he literally thinks that the pre-scratch universe was erased from history and replaced with the post-scratch one, despite how overwhelmingly stupid that would be.
>>
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>>90508876
It's a fictional story with fictional events explained by fictional characters.
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>>90508901
what a maroon
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>>90508884

You actually have autism don't you? This is the kind of failure to comprehend the meaning pf people's words and taking everything literally(in the original sense of the word) that I expect from autists.

Congratulations for shitting up the thread with a hours long display of retardation though.
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jade?
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>>90508942
>Both of these concise characters during the middle of an explanation were speaking in metaphor!
>They meant reset like copying!
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>>90509016
Another point, if there was no "overwrite", why did the kids need to flee their session to avoid being overwriten by the Scratch?
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