He has a point. If he suddenly vanished, is there anyone even

Realistically, bane or two-face. In universe, it'd end up being harley.

>>90370303
Bane

>>90370303
Venom

It's not that he isn't. I'm just tired of seeing him.

the guy who killed batmans parents

>>90370303
R'as Al-Ghul. Bane. Catwoman. Himself. Superman.

>>90370303
He seemed fine with Joker leaving until he told him all the other villains were going to jail too. I think he would manage.

>>90370303
Scarecrow.

>>90370303
Ra's. Like in the 70's.

Two-Face, Ra's, Bane.

>>90370303
Riddler was a very good nemesis.

>>90370324
>>90370330
This. It's Bane. Stronger than and equally as smart as Bats?

It's just that writing a convincing defeat for a guy who is in pretty much every way Batman's superior is hard, so he just becomes dumb-to-moderately-smart muscle 99% of the time.

>>90370376

If Gotham's not the problem, then it's Hub City or some other city infested with crime. If there's world peace, then there's some intergalactic threat. If there's universal peace, then the hero gets to live a normal life and not feel bad about trying to be happy. Instead of fighting villains, heroes can find ways to help NASA, fight disease, end world hunger, and

>>90370407
Was he though? I mean, aside from Detective Riddler was he ever a standout? Certainly he was never a match physically and mentally his crippling compulsions made him seem like he was never that much of a challenge.

>>90370474
Lego Batman literally just liked fighting dudes in Gotham for the sake of fighting dudes in Gothan though.

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>>90370500
In the comics? He's had a lot of failed revamps to try and keep him relevant (because writers somehow think he needs to be edgy or modern to be fun) and he's struggled ever since Batman plots became less about crime and more about murders. He was a big deal in the past, but everybody was.

But you can't discount Frank Gorshin's interpretation. He was a match for Batman in every way, just as much of a nemesis as Joker was hyped to be later. It's easy to forget that Joker wasn't always considered ten times better than the rest of the Rogues' Gallery.

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>>90370303
Bruce Timm. Ugh.

>>90370615
Yeah, I long for a time when all of the events that shook Batman to his core weren't perpetrated by just one guy.

>>90370303
>Bane
>Ra's
>Hugo Strange

All better than the Joker anyway.

As people have already said, but to reiterate:

Ra's, Two Face, Riddler, Bane.

Also, if anyone else uses the Court of Owls well (I.E them being a bunch of rich people secretly influencing Gotham) the Court can cause significant issues to Batman.

>>90370615
what about jim carry?
i think he did a great job

>>90370786
He was honestly okay, and he carried that film while Tommy Lee Jones mostly just made some faces. He wasn't great, but he was fun and it was clear he was riffing on the old show's portrayal.

It depends on your kind of Batman.

Semi-realistic, detective, man in a suit Batman? Two-Face is his equal.

On par with Superman / scariest member of the justice league Batman? It's The Joker.

Superman

>>90371049
But when they do the Superman/Justice League stuff, Ra's has traditionally been Batman's big contender.

>>90370303
After reading The Long Halloween one wonders why Two-Face is not it.

>>90370303
Bane two-face penguin riddler

>>90370303
Growing up I thought Penguin was Batmans main villain.

>>90371049
If we're talking a JL level Batman then there's no way the Joker should be a threat at all unless you twist the shit out of the characters' choices and abilities.

>>90370324
>In universe, it'd end up being harley.
Harley a good girl now

>>90370303
Raj al goul bane and 2 face

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>>90371801
Ya made me remember this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA4Alwm-KJM

>>90370928
Yeah, the big flaw of that movie was Jones trying to outmug Carrey, instead of playing Two-Face seriously, which Jones would have been amazing at.

>>90371806
Raj el goose
Ben
Toe face
Huggy Strong
Blank Mast
Scary crew
Ridley
Pension
Mr. Freak
Cap woman

>>90370303
>shit retarded casuals ask

>>90371974
The movie wasn't set up for serious Two Face, and Two Face being ridiculous can be perfectly fun stuff. Tommy Lee Jones was just kind of boring, he didn't have many good lines or visual gags.

>>90370441
That's why we hardly ever get Hugo Strange

>>90370303

Himself.

The Penguin (Flying Mammal vs. Flightless Bird and all that) or R'as Al-Ghul

>>90372758
The Penguin was honestly a fun nemesis in The Batman. He was the only character who managed to be interesting even in Season 1, despite his fucking stupid kabuki ninja minions.

>>90372023
Glad to see you're contributing to a discussion, anon. Your opinion is always valuable.

But casuals wouldn't ask this because they can't conceive of Batman without Joker.

>>90372099
Yeah, I always thought Hugo would make an excellent archnemesis. People who know his real identity should really be a major threat to Batman.

>>90370615
>he's struggled ever since Batman plots became less about crime and more about murders. He was a big deal in the past, but everybody was.
god I hate this

do you know I randomly came across wikipedia's list of fictional serial killers the other day

no lie, at least 1/3rd of them are Batman rogues.

What the fuck is wrong with comic writers? They can't write a serious threat for Batman without having that person murder their way through a city block's worth of people?

>>90373078
The edge is too strong.

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>>90370324
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>>90371806
Bane?

>>90373078
Bane never kills needlessly really. He is more about only killing to gain control. Hence why he has protected Gotham on multiple occasions from other villains.

>>90373078
>They can't write a serious threat for Batman without having that person murder their way through a city block's worth of people?

Maybe it's because at his core Batman is a man fighting against death. Crime for Batman is murder: his first encounter with crime was watching his parents get gunned down before his eyes.

Think about Batman's methods for a moment, or the fact that in the most iconic of Batman stories he declares that both he and Superman are criminals, and always have been. Superheroes act outside the law, because the law has become more concerned with property than with life. Batman's villains don't end up in Blackgate very often, rather they end up in Arkham. This isn't actually because they're "insane" so much as Batman values all life, even theirs and doesn't trust the criminal justice system to actual preserve life. It's why Batman doesn't kill, and it's why the best Batman stories are about Batman struggling against death and mortality itself.

Batman doesn't fight crime, Batman fights death. So it's no surprise that his greatest villains are murderers because murder is the only crime Batman really cares about.

>>90371049

When you reach the point of JL, suddenly Lex Luthor seems like a better option.

Calendar Man

Really his greatest villain is the hellmouth beneath Arkham.

Half his villains are technically henchmen for that shit.

>>90373311
That's dumb.

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>>90373311

Honestly, character wise, Bane was the biggest drop of the ball ever. His entire gimmick was meant to be that he was an evil reflection of Batman, someone that both equals him in intelligence and strength.

But he just never caught on, whether it's because nobody was interested in him from the get go or he just didn't have any great stories for people to be interested in.

>>90370303
Bane, Two-Face, R'as. Arguably Penguin or Riddler.

>>90372940
>not liking the Kabuki twins

faggot

>>90374091
Batman's got loads of evil reflections, Bane just didn't have much of a gimmick to go on for Batman stories that weren't BIG EVENTS. They still tried to keep him relevant, but it was really only after they separated him from being Batman-back-breaker that he gained a real identity.

>>90374170
Let's be honest here, Riddler's been functionally used as diet Joker for a really long time at this point and only came into his own as a character when he went straight.

And Penguin's not really a nemesis. Neither of them cares about the other all that much.

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>>90374312
Literally who?

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The joker is overhyped as fuck. Every single one of batman's A and B tier rogues can do what he does. Many are just as crazy or even crazier and just as well equipped. Hell, Anarchy was pretty much the joker in beware the batman.

If I were to pick a villain to become an overhyped mess like the joker, I'd pick Prometheus, Owlman or Mothman. Characters who were designed from the ground up to literally be reverse batman and could easily become nemesis with completely different emphasis. Prometheus has an anti-justice boner due to the death of his parents at the hands of cops, Mothman is literally a reverse batman in that villains call him in to save them from batman and Owlman is literally Evil Bruce.

>>90374312
If anything, it's Joker that has honed in on Riddler's shtick. But Joker's more popular, so now riddles, elaborate schemes and acting goofy are only HIS thing.

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>>90374441
Damn that is weak son.

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If DC had balls, Batman's greatest villain would be a Batman clone that actually kills villains.

No accidental civilian casualties. No clearing out the competition for a crime family. They have no interest in cleaning up their act to work with Batman. Just a vigilante with a zero tolerance policy for costumed murderers.

Kite Man.

Croc obviously

https://youtu.be/2UUr7bM1A6s

>>90374787
That is the dumbest fucking conflict in Batman's big list of dumb conflicts, and making it his core one would only make things worse.

>>90370303
Mr Freeze.

>>90375312
Not a chance. He has one story.

>>90374787
That just leads to retardation like when Batman saved Joker from the Punisher. Or when Batman saved the Joker from the Spectre.

>>90370303
It's Lord Death Man.

>>90374537
After what he did to Midnighter, I'd say Prometheus should be Middy's Joker.

Ra's al Ghul is his greatest villian. As Batman says to Superman in S:TAS. He's more dangerous then Luthor and Joker combined.

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No joke.

Two Face is the superior Batman villain.

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>>90371995
fuck you anon, what have you done to my sides?

>>90370303
It should be
DOCTOR
HUGE
STRANGE

His original archenemy. He's due for a revamp.

>>90376769
>HUGE
You almost sold me on it, anon. Almost.
May God have mercy on your soul.

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>>90376769
Man, BD Wong did such a good job with him in Gotham.

>>90376565
>Pretending to be an ordinary man, he uses the alias Matt Dell to seduce and have a romantic relationship with Midnighter
Wait, what? Fuck...

>>90374787

So Jason Todd when he was still insane?

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>>90374537
The name is KILLER MOTH, nigga.

>>90377073

And now that I think about it...

>>90370303

Jason Todd.

>>90376723
I'm honestly not super familiar with Two Face, he gets very little play these days. What would make him an ideal "greatest enemy" for Batman? Is it just the "we were once friends and you were a beacon of hope" thing or do his actions back him up somehow?

>>90377101
Then, why are you posting Mothman?!?

>>90374815
Croc was surprisingly charismatic in TAS

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>>90376723
I always love the different variations in his outfits, same for Mr. Freeze.

I always wanted a Batman movie where the two of them (with similar tragic backgrounds) join forces.

>>90370303
Its clearly Bane

In fact, Bane had the 3rd BIGGEST role out of all the bat villains -- and Harley gets 2nd place by technicality

And he had better jokes than the Joker

>>90370303
Just watched this today. Really liked it.

It's a strange feel when a lego movie gives us some of the best Batman/Joker action in years.

Also yes he was right about everything.

I'd be very interested to see a Batman show where there was a total embargo on Joker and Harley, see who emerges from it as the star and rival.

I'd love it so much if it turned out to be Killer Moth.

What's with all these niggas saying Two-Face? The only story he ever has is his origin, beyond that he's the most uninteresting member of the rogues gallery.

>>90374815
Seconding this.

>tfw you realize modern/nu Harley is just Bad Girl from NMH

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gosh, what cute friends.

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he's a really nice guy.

>>90380188
>those card suit sleeve buttons

I wish they'd play up this motif more

>>90380234
I thought he was wearing a short sleeve shirt and those were just tats because they're too high to be white sleeves.

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>>90379597
That'd be Best Timeline.

>>90380258
>they're too high to be white sleeves
what

>>90379597
>>90380310
Beware the Batman had Anarky. Would've been Deathstroke in Season 2. IF THEY HAD ONE!

Lego Batman should have become a villain once he found out all the JL had parties without him and actively ignored him when he crashed their most recent one

>>90380336
The white part is too high to be cuffs.

>>90380820
It's his own fault for being such a dark lone wolf in the night.

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This fucker even though he came from a weird Batman show where Batman wasn't even Batman, but he still had gadgets and did most of his crime fighting in a gentleman giant robot for some reason.

>>90381237
Did that cyborg Joker ripoff ever do anything important?

>>90374441
>replied to a post that just said "superman"
>literally who

>>90381301
He awoke a rival giant robot with airplane arms.

>>90370303
Smalltime villains who die at the end of the story.

Y'know, like the Joker.

>>90370303
BANE

>>90370303

Hush.

Ra's, Bane, and Strange have proven themselves. Riddler and Penguin could work too.

I like Two Face and all, but why do you guys say he'd be a good nemesis?

>>90382320
Duality. A fallen hero with good buried inside him. Someone that Batman would probably actively be trying to recuperate more so than the other villains, given a past history together and all that jazz. The knowledge that Dent won't always do wrong because the coin's not always going to land scarred side up.

I don't know if I'd buy it until I saw it done well but I can definitely understand why they'd be able to make a case for Dent to be this recurring villain that Bruce really, deeply wants to save from himself.

>>90382466
I agree Dent has a lot of potential as a villain and is a great recurring threat, I just don't see him as archnemesis material.

>>90382501
Imagine if having worked with Batman in his early years while still a DA, Harvey Dent actually knew his identity but was keeping that information hidden from the Two-Face persona, and would occasionally surface to inform Bruce of shit that's going on in the gangland underworld or whatnot.

He probably wouldn't be an archnemesis, no, but I can imagine him being the villain Batman is most conflicted over and most determined to save.

>>90382258
If you were revamping for a new continuity or a show or something, Hush would absolutely make a great archnemesis. Right now he doesnt have the stories to back him up, but the concept of Hush is absolutely solid for building up a proper archnemesis to both Bruce and Batman.

Also, he's cheap to do for a TV show budget or something, so maybe one day, fingers crossed.

>>90382576

Honestly I'm a little surprised they haven't really done anything with Hush. He's another solid dark reflection for Bruce/Batman. You summed it up nicely.

>>90370324
> Harley existing without joker

So you're saying they didn't need to bait people with batman and joker in SS?

>>90370474
>If Gotham's not the problem, then it's Hub City or some other city infested with crime.

Didn't Babs clean up Bludhaven though?

The film seemed to suggest that it was really only Gotham that had anywhere near that much crime going on. Presumably because they kept escaping Batman while the other heroes were actually doing something with them like putting them in the Phantom Zo-

Huh, come to think of it, we didn't see a single Superman villain in the Phantom Zone. Not even Zod who was specifically sent there. That's kinda weird.

>>90370786

Jim was basically playing the Joker rather than the Riddler.

>>90376980
He pretended to be gay and took it up the ass for months just for the chance to hurt Midnighter and drive a knife through his heart. (literally and figuratively.)

>>90382912
I was thinking about Zod earlier myself. It was a bit odd, wasn't it?

Clearly whoever owned the Gotham Lego Playset never actually bought the Zod's Army minikits. Probably spent all their allowance on the unreasonable number of Flying Monkeys they seemed to own.

>>90379200
Orka has more lines and scenes then most villains, she must be really important then.

>>90383103
Oh shiiiiiit. I just realised Lego Batman is the way he is because it's the way a turbocasual Batfag normie would imagine Batman when playing with lego toys.

Holy fuck.

>>90374815
the funniest thing about this scene is that at the end of the episode it turns out that croc was batman in disguise. which means Bruce came up with this fucking story by himself. though it's hardly the only time croc mentions hitting people with rocks or attempts to do so for that matter

>>90376754
Name?

>>90377370
batman lives two lives. the symbolism rights itself, they were both split in two by trauma

>>90370303
At one point Batman comics were written with the notion that the Penguin was his greatest enemy.
- This is true.

I've always thought that Scarecrow had much more potential for the status as he's the first "modern" Batman archenemy ever made and thematically he's a great mirror to Batman.
Joker only got the push post-Todd/TKJ, before then he was never thought of as a real threat.
They tried to push Bane as "his greatest arch ever" not too long ago, but we all know how much that fizzled.
All in all the gallery is too large to place too much significance on any one enemy.
And Batman defies categorization, so how can any single villain match him?

>>90383249
Honestly, he's a single man who is human. I know there's the whole suspension of disbelief thing as to how he isn't just straight up dead yet and that's fine, but we shouldn't pretend like no single villain can somehow match him. Every individual is complex and unique, as long as you take the time to think about them and write them as such.

>>90371916
>Out on patrol, not much crime going on
>Suddenly hear some condom king guy over the police scanner at a party
>"What the fuck" I thought, better check it out
>It's some jobber with some ketchup and mustard guns, psst easy
>Guy is obviously sick in the head better just talk him down
>Asshole shoots horseradish in my eyes, holy fuck it burns and I can't see shit
>He makes off with the money while I try to chase him, slip on ketchup. Everyone is starting to laugh at me
>Barely make it out of there, Batsuit ruined and batmobile still smells like mustard after a week
>"Can Batman Cut the mustard anymore?" in the Gotham News paper. Not even Gordon can look at me without making some dumb relish pun

Fuck you King, Fuck you and your stupid sauce puns. You Fucker

>>90383643
t. Condiment King

>>90382912
zod is present in the scene where batman is banished.

>>90371947
It stills irks me that Joker didn't say Cpt. Boomerangs name when he was listing villains at the start of this movie. Does that make me autistic?

>>90370303
Bane, Two-face, Deathstroke, Ra's, Hush, Red Hood.

>>90385729
Yes. Yes, it does.

>>90380188
there any good rip yet?

>>90386109
There's a very solidly watchable one, yes, but you'll miss the neat cameos and background details going on because there's still some minor blue/pixels.

I watched the movie perfectly fine using it, however.

>>90370303
Your thread reminded me this movie existed. It was pretty damn forgettable. Even /co/ threads dropped off pretty quick.

>>90370303
Yes, Joker literally has no super powers.