CGI and traditional animation

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>>90366138
This cinematic is nothing special.

>>90366483

CGI animation is not magical computers rendering everything you know.

>>90366871
I know, I personally know people in the industry, I'm just saying that this particular cinematic is far from being as impressive as many 2D animations.
How could one surpass the other anyway? They are completely different from each-other.

>>90366978

>I'm just saying that this particular cinematic is far from being as impressive as many 2D animations.

could you go into further detail?

actually curious

>>90367303

He won't.

>>90366871
They're two completely different artforms with entirely separate skills required so comparing them is stupid.

I wouldn't say that
But Blizzard cinematics are something speacial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URUy7pQqjGk

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>>90366138

No.

Fuck you.

>>90369867
My sweet lord

Why does they need to compete with each other, when they can complete each other?

>>90366138
>Has CGI
In terms of visual? Yes
In the amount of work need to make it look good? I want to say yes but I don't know
In Popularity? No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2vFuZ2FmfM

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How much do these CG shorts cost?

Like Blur Studios, how much would a 2-3 minute short from them be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYDklklJYog

2D, hand-drawn stuff will ALWAYS have more "heart", no matter what. That said, CGI looks so damn good nowadays, I don't complain nearly as much about "the death of hand-drawn" nearly as much as I used to. I still miss it but as least cartoons are gorgeous again, even if they are made on a computer.

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>>90366138
Why are CGI movies with a realistic artstyle not a thing? Shit like that looks amazing

>>90369867
That's some maximum comfy

I've still preferred most well done 2D action scenes to most well done 3D action scenes I've seen. I think the two mediums have different strengths, for me at least. It would be nice if both could have prominence in the field of animation.

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>>90369867

W--W-WEW LAD

>>90371373
Beowulf was a flop so studios have been scared ever since.

>>90371929
That Final Fantasy movie too

>>90366483
>that wrist flick as he finishes throwing his coat on

it's the little things

>>90371373
Because by this time next year it will look like Reboot

CGI outdates itself extremely fast and has no lasting power when does with realism

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzt3vb_paperman_shortfilms

why not both?

>>90373609
>being this retarded

>>90370629
From what I've heard blur charges around a million dollars a minute for their cinematic work.

>>90373609

we're reaching a plateau though

>surpassed

What do you mean? Is there a competition? They're different styles and that's it.

>>90373421
Polar Express too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg

Jurassic Park still holds up decades later.

it's about how you use it.

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>>90366871
>implying

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>>90369867
>Dreamworks will never make something like this again

End me

>>90366138
Whitcher 3 cinematic was better.

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>https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=LKI7C3C2P_E
>Worst expansion gets best cinematic
Fucking why

>>90374087
Legion > Wrath > Cata > BC > Vanilla > WoD > Pandaria

>>90374067
10 years later on. And that cinematic isnt much better than what they were doing circa WC3.

>>90366483
The body acting in the Warcraft short is just as intricate in its movement as that Milt Kahl test. The knight guy putting all his weight on one knee while he lifts himself up is just as subtle as some of the best 2D.

>>90374126
>Cata
>not worst or second worst expansion

No

>>90374126
I think if you were to rank by specific aspects that list would get shifted a bit but yeah that's a decent ranking, though I may change some of those > into = signs

>>90374209
>Anything worse than Casuallords of Deadlore
>Cata bad
Dragon Soul is shit but Cata is hardly bad. It's probably right in the middle quality wise

>>90374126
I know everyone hated MoP because lool Pandas

But MoP fucking rocked

>>90374265
Cata above Vanilla and BC is just plain wrong

>>90374292
Gameplay wise MoP is great
Story and tone wise it is absolute cancer

>>90369867
Now I wont be able to stand up for about an hour.

>>90374405
The story was bad, but the horde and alliance were more hostile to eachother than in any other xpac and I really liked that

>>90373609

Yet thats a near 10 year old cinematic.

>>90373913
And Christmas Carol, FF 7, Kingsglaive, and Mars Needs Moms.

Dear god, Mars Needs Moms. Probably singlehandedly killed it all by itself.

>>90366138
>Has CGI (good CGI) surpassed hand-drawn animation?

In profit? Yes.
In exposure? Yes.
In theatrical cinema? Yes.

Aside from that, if you suck, it sucks, if you're good, it's good. The medium doesn't matter, so praise the guys who do it well.

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>>90373609
>>CGI outdates itself extremely fast
>>next year it will look like Reboot
>He hasn't seen Terminator Salvation, Furious 7, or the Dead Space 3 trailer.

>>90366138
Nah. I mean, I love traditional animation to death, but CGI cinematics are a guilty pleasure for me. Shit gets me pumped up every time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_XwzBMTJaM

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>>90374087
Pandaria's cinematic is beautiful

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wvYXoyxLv64

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>>90374126
Pandaria > BC > Wrath > Cata > Vanilla > WoD > Legion

Legion is a meme expansion.

>>90374966

Pandaria was one of the best looking expansions in term of variety. The only BAD zone was the stupid plains that were home to the raid boss.

Why is Blizzard CGI so fucking good?

2D and 3D animation have their strengths and weaknesses. I can't honestly compare which is superior since that's a matter of opinion and me taste.

>>90376960
Because they actually care about "quality" and "fun". Passion makes things better.

>>90377248
>Because the cinematics department, unlike the pvp and class design ones, actually care about "quality" and "fun". Passion makes things better.
Fixed that for you. No need to thank me.

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>>90374087
>tfw that cinematic gave me a gay crush/boner for an orc

Fuck blizzard for turning me gay.

>>90366138

CGI is basically stop motion with fancier models and tools.

it's just a different style.

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>>90366138
>It's a 2D vs 3D animation fight thread again

Goddamn. Both are good for their respective mediums.

>>90366138
>Kneepuncher: The Game: The Cinematic

>>90366483
Taaake ooon meee

>>90371373
The studios that make shit like the Warcraft cinematics specialise entirely in short clips, and each one takes the months for that alone
If they attempted a feature-length film, the quality would have to suffer dramatically

>>90380276
They just need more budget and manpower.

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>>90378532

>>90366138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMQfaG6lo8
You tell me.

>>90369867
For God's sake man, I'm at work

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>>90380276
>and each one takes the months for that alone
It was more like almost a year and a half.

>>90380595
>>90371373
It's not even an issue on budget or manpower. It's just not viable. That's just naive thinking.

The companies that usually fund this shit would say no to the amount of budget you'd need to create a FULL HOUR AND A HALF LONG+ feature film. And almost immediately in a few years, it would look dated. Yes, there are very special cases (like Blizzard's cinematics) but take another high-end studio like BLUR...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F7OgOCzph4
It still looks good (except for some of the faces, also another problem) now but you can tell it's going to look dated in a few years. This is also one of their longest animated projects compared to their usually 2-3 minute trailers cinematics.

You are better off doing it live action with CGI touch ups like the actual Warcraft movie. I'm not saying that was good but doing it in that direction is more viable then what you guys are asking for, which is what everyone ALWAYS asks for without knowing how fucking impossible and/or inefficient it really is.

>>90383001
I haven't been keeping up with the technology to know how it's coming along, but I'm sure the shortcuts will develop. At some point the scanning {geometry, texture, skeleton, movement} will be flawless, and then projected to fill in the gaps for the personality not explicitly recorded. We'll be recreating dead people.
I can't wait for augmented reality. We might even give up on custom bodies if the augmented reality can accurately replace all senses.

>>90383001
>You are better off doing it live action with CGI touch ups like the actual Warcraft movie
The live-action parts ruined the movie. Every human scene was awful

>>90366138

at least post some cel shading to make it fair

japanese cel shading is going to shape the future of animation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5pkaWp8Xso

>>90369867

unf