Academy Members Don’t Care About Animation: 2017 Edition

>>90364725
>I saw Kubo [and the Two Strings] and don’t really remember it. I loved the music in Moana. I think The Red Turtle is very strong. I loved everything about My Life As a Zucchini — I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini. But I voted for Zootopia because it has something important to say about the world. Basically, we all have to be nicer to each other.
Man, that's the first time I can remember one of these responses coming from someone that sounded like they at least tried to give a bit of a fuck.

>>90364725
We know they don't consider Animated films to be real Films, they just choose the Film their kids speak most

>>90364725
>turtle fetish

>>90364725
>that asshole who didn't vote in any of the three shorts categories because 'muh feelings'

>I know a girl who only has sex with animators
what the fuck?

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>>90364917

yeah i got a chuckle out of this one.

Is this some sort of fetish?

Moonlight only won because it's about a poor black gay teen, so it's not surprising the AA care about the films.

If someone made a film about a poor black gay transexual trying to make her way into hollywood, they'd win best film in a heartbeat.

>>90364725
Its amazing how many of them openly admit they cant remember anything about the films they watch. Its like they're all 90 year old men or something

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>I really liked that silly little Piper. I had to ignore that it was Pixar because that’s like the anti-Viagra: you see Pixar’s name and you know it’s all gonna be the same — probably great, but just the same. But that little bird? I could have spent an hour-and-a-half watching that f—ing bird. I really loved his energy. I guess I’m just mushier than normal this year.

>>90364725
I suppose I like them abstaining more than voting in a category they clearly have no clue about

but honestly why do they even have this award?

I think they got it right this time and Zootopia was the best animated film of 2016 but that's basically an anomaly, broken clocks are right twice a day and what not

I mean these people actually gave an Oscar to Brave, like top 5 worst Pixar movies of all time Brave

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>>90364821
I'm hip my dude, of all the responses I've read from academy voters that's been the only one so far that isn't braindead

>>90364969
I know you're not being serious but you're right, it's essentially a neorealism film and is a bizzare choice for best picture given their track record. It seemed like they wanted to appease people but didn't want to give it to a more generic "Oscar baity" film like Hidden Figures so they went with the art house film.

>>90365035
>Zootopia was the best animated film of 2016
Your name was the best and it wasn't ever nominated.

>>90364888
Nice trips

>>90365075

some chinese cartoon no one saw.

>>90365075
haven't seen it yet

and my understanding was there was trouble with the US release, hence why it hasn't been in theaters so I'm not sure it qualified

They don't give a shit about films period. It's an egotistical circlejerk

Why are Disney even considered for awards? Their films will do well regardless of some fucking award. Give it to a Laika film, who at least are trying something different and aren't Oscar baiting with soppy piffle like Piper

>>90365075
The oscars never consider japanese things for the oscar. I mean cars was nominated to an oscar instead of fucking Paprika.

>>90365075
>Your name was the best
I thought it was rather unsatisfying.

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>>90365112

it's because

>>90364725
This is honestly not that bad compared to some of the past years of this. At least there's not any smug "I don't watch cartoons because I'm not 6" or "I vote this because my daughter loved it"

>>90365112
Because normalfags onky know cartoons as Disney

>>90365094
You should watch it. It's good, 10x better than the ones nominated.

>>90365040
Last year Voter #2 was pretty cool.

>>90365130
I agree, i expected more at the end and was kinda dissapointed but the movie is still way better than Zootopia.

This is why Keit-ai didn't receive a nomination.

>>90365184
>Zootopia isn't that good
>Not even Your Name is good but it is way better
>They just don't make movies like they use to
>*tips fedora*

>>90365116
>Paprika
That's the movie that was copied by Inception?

>>90365245
it's the truth buddy.

Wasn't there one with a Ghibli film where some guy said "Chinese cartoons are fucking stupid"?

>>90365138
What was that pic from again? An award acceptance speech?

>>90365290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk6jsoXPz-g

>>90365252
Yeah.

>>90364821
That does sound like at least the person made an effort. He watched all of them as well, which is impressive.

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>>90365284
The Fire Rises

>>90365284
>Voter #5: I only watch the ones that my kid wants to see, so I didn’t see [The] Boxtrolls but I saw Big Hero 6 and I saw [How to Train Your] Dragon [2]. We both connected to Big Hero 6 — I just found it to be more satisfying. The biggest snub for me was Chris Miller and Phil Lord not getting in for [The] Lego [Movie]. When a movie is that successful and culturally hits all the right chords and does that kind of box-office — for that movie not to be in over these two obscure freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ things that nobody ever freakin’ saw [an apparent reference to the Japanese film The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, as well as the Irish film Song of the Sea]? That is my biggest bitch. Most people didn’t even know what they were! How does that happen? That, to me, is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.
>MY VOTE: Big Hero 6

Based Lego Movie working obscure freakin' Chinese fuckin' things into a shoot.

>>90365013
Holy shit. Pixar needs to read that because that is fucking true.

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>>90365284
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/award-season-focus/proof-that-oscar-voters-are-clueless-about-animation-109456.html

>>90365349
>>90365362
Damm, And this idiot gets money for this?

>>90365305
Man, if ever there was a year where the competition far outweighed the Disney/Pixar shit, it was that one. Up was ridiculously overrated and Frog was more of the same old shit

>>90364725
At least it seemed like more of the voters watched every animated feature nominee this time.

>>90365362
>Oscars
>complaining about how the best performing, most popular movies don't get recognized

Lolololololol

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>>90364821
>I loved everything about My Life As a Zucchini — I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini.
Did that guy watch Sausage Party by mistake or something?

>>90365327
My Life as Zucchini isn't about an actual zucchini.

>>90365415
This.

Fox or Coraline probably should have won.
But 'Up' lad the 'le so emotional opening 9 minutes' so it won...

Fucking Oscar-baiting Pixarshit.

>>90365558
He had a point though. Lego Movie deserved to be nominated just as much as Big Hero 6 did, sellout or not.

>>90365358
Formula.

Disney renaissance movies had their own formula too. then 10 years of failed experiments, and then Pixar formula.

What's next? Sequels! Even Disney is giving up: Wreckit Ralph, Frozen, and possibly Zootopia.

what a shit time for creativity.

>>90365184
Yeah I agree in a strictly artistic/structural sort of way but like I said I found myself disappointed. Zootopia was a lot less ambitious in that sense but more successful at what it did in the end. I'd rather have a perfectly done piece of middling art than a masterwork that still needs to work the kinks out.

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>I’m not big on animation or animators. I know a girl who only has sex with animators — she works over at Disney.
Someone got friendzoned.

>>90365596
Isn't that the same voter who picked Moana for Best Song because they liked Lin Manuel Miranda?

Sounds like a prime example of a Disneyfaggette (I think it was a woman)

>>90365648
Not at the expense of SoTS or Kaguya tho.

Nominees should have been:
>SoTS
>Kaguya
>HTTYD2
>Lego
>either BoxTrolls or Big Hero Shit

>>90365596
Well, that explains why all the comments are so incredibly vague
>I liked the music in the Disney princess movie!
>The movie is strong!
>I like how the movie is about what the title tells me it's about!
>The movie has an important message, be nice!
>The movie I can't gleam anything from the title alone? Oh, I saw it but I can't remember anything!
Wouldn't be surprised if this person didn't watch a single one of these.

>This was a year when my interest in the Oscars was not as strong as it has been in the past because of the political situation at the moment — like so many others, I’ve felt hugely discouraged about much more important things, and frankly I just didn’t want to spend my time doing this.
What the fuck was that guy doing on the jury then?

>>90365754
I looked up the other nominees that year thinking maybe it was a weak year and Brave won by default, but every other nominee was better.

Expect for Frankenweenie, I guess.

>>90365656

What do you think about the previous version of Zootopia?

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>>90365112
>give the awards to Nike, they need the money.

>>90365795
Hey, Frankenweenie was a lot better than Brave.

>>90365245
>they don't make movies like they use to

But that actually don't.
Of the few BP nominees I saw they were all letdowns save for maybe Hacksaw Ridge.

Movies as an art form are dying.

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I think Laika makes KINO, movies purely for themselves.

>>90365815
They were both fucking awful movies

>>90365717
It's just weird to then make up lies for an anonymous interview that only cartoon fans will read and they'll obviously catch you on your bullshit.
What is even the point?

>>90365415
I actually think 2014 was a year where Disney/Pixar was far outweight by its competition yet still won.

>no Pixar film
>Disney film is Big Hero Shit
>competition is Lego Movie, HTTYD2, Song of the Sea, and Tale of the Princess Kaguya
>Lego movie snubbed
>BH Shit picks up the votes that would've gone to it
>wins

Best chance a non-Disney film had to win going forward desu, and they fucked it up.

Also it makes me wonder if Disney paid nominee voters to purposefully leave Lego off since they felt its voters would go to BH6 more than HTTYD2.

>>90364725
They did seem to try a little harder this time around, but the responses for why they voted always sounds like normies with no interest in filmmaking as an art form. Can they at least pretend to care about it from a technical point of view? I would've gotten more nuanced answers from my parents. Imagine if they responded this way for why they voted for best picture.
>La La Land: My family and I loved it. Great music and such a sad love story, that kinda stuff always gets me. My kids said they especially loved all the vibrant colors.

>>90365950

some bullshit excuse was that there was live action segment in that movie.

>>90365976
>Moonlight: I voted this way because its so touching and necessary to reward a movie about a gay black kid. I mean... it's the current year, and fuck Trump and fuck white people.

Wait... that's probably how it actually happened....

>>90365950
You forgot Boy and the World.

>>90364725
I never got why the general public ignores all animation but is so in love with Pixar, Disney and sometimes Ghibli.

>>90366017
Wasn't nominated in 2014.
Was nominated in 2015.

>nominate four indie and/or foreign films
>pick the generic Pixar film

>>90365939
The interview is from a larger piece about all the awards

>>90366042
Marketing and feeling like they want to fit in.

Blame social media and the Disney fandom for pushing this shit.

Also Ghibli is popular because Lasseter told his minions to like it, and they did... and thus Disneyfags latched onto it... and the rest is history.

>>90364725
I don't see anything wrong with the abstentions. Better than voting for something you know nothing about.

>>90365840
They can afford to, they're a billionaire's relative's passion project that lose money with every movie.
The Prophet was that too (and had some of the coolest animation sequences in the decade) but it never got that kind of disctribution or recognition.

>>90364821
He sounds like an 8 year old with a good vocabulary :l

>>90366112
>he

I think that voter might be a woman, anon...

>>90365625
Up is one of the few wins that Disney deserved.

>>90365950
I think that was the one that convinced me for good that those awards were worthless.

>>90364725
>>turtle fetish
See? Even guys at the Academy are not ashamed of admitting their own fetishes. Why shame it here?

>>90365596
My bad. I didn't watch that one so I figured it was about a Zucchini. The rest of the comment sounds kind of sensible though. The voter could be a bit biased with her vote, but they made it sound like they gave a bit of thought to the other movies and wasn't exactly disrespectful.

>>90365010
Or like they have to watch hundreds of films on top of living their normal life and they tend not to watch these films in sequential order before voting. Some of these people got early copies of DVDs months before they even submitted their ballot.

>>90366202
>grow up in the 80's
>watch TMNT
>"Wow those turtles sure are hunky."
>fetish acquired

>>90366224
Honestly this year's voters were better than most. At least those who didn't give a shit abstained.

That said, even as someone who liked Zootopia and was fine with it winning... why does it not surprise me that the most retarded voter picked it (because 'we all gotta be nice to each other' in the age of the Trumpening)?

>>90365654
To be fair, at least Disney mixes that in with good original IPs. We had Moana and then Gigantic. The sequels don't happen until after 5 to 10 years, which will probably be sandwiched between non-sequel ones.

>>90366270
Still its sad that one corporation is hogging all of the attention and getting all of the money.

Their movies aren't even THAT good anyway.

>>90365656
>Zootopia was a lot less ambitious in that sense but more successful at what it did in the end
I have the same sentiments. It wrapped up well for me. It even stands out even more when I remember back BH6 and Frozen, which just felt lacking.

I don't recall any news about big Disney movies this year...
Are they gonna nominate The Emoji Movie?

>>90365055
I agree with you, I actually liked Moonlight and thought it was better than La La Land, but I'm certain the Academy only picked it for the race cred since it's so far away from what they usually pick.

>>90366324

nah, Cars 3, Smurfs and My Little Pony.

>>90364725
>I loved everything about My Life As a Zucchini — I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini.
Is this guy for real?
Was he joking or did he not even bother watching the damn trailer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2TOf1kmfk

>>90366139
What makes you think that so strongly that you felt you needed to correct 2 anons on that?

>>90365950
This was the shittiest year in recent memory. BH6 should not have won.

I mean, I enjoyed it, but it felt really lacking in the end, and did not feel like it deserved any award.

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>>90366317

it's the Brand.

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ITT: 30-somethings SEETHING that their fetish fuel isn't being taken seriously by film professionals

Maybe if kids actually watched cartoons these days instead of neckbeards the genre might be taken with better renown

>>90366324
Coco, The Breadwinner and some indie stuff.

>>90366097
But lots of them voted on the basis of only having seen a couple of the nominees.
Some even lied about seeing them all.

>>90366390
*le lenny faec*

>>90366150
Not that year it didn't.

>>90366224
They're just making shit up to sound like they've watched the movies.
The movie is "strong"? The Disney musical has good music? People should be nice?

>>90365410
I don't think the Academy gets paid beyond getting sent all the films.

>>90366317
I enjoyed Zootopia and Moana and Tangled, but I do agree with you. I sincerely wish foreign animated movies would get at least a respectable attention, in order to get them understand that animation isn't just for children, but instead we get "chinese fucking movies" comments. It's really sad.

>>90366270
>We had Moana and then Gigantic.
I mean... those aren't *really* that original of IPs.
I know Disney does this all the time but they are adaptations.

The World's beloved animated films everyone saw.
>Zootopia
>Inside Out
>BH6
>Frozen

Freakin' chinese shit nobody ever freakin' saw
>Kubo the Meme stings
>Your Meme
>Princess Memeya
>Meme of the sea
>How to meme your dragon 2

Dude, Americans are so lucky to be born in the greatest land in the world.
Disney animators are the most creative workers on the earth, no wonder the world's people love ZOOTOPIA.

>>90366401
>The Breadwinner
they have a feature film now?

>>90366482
They are original in the extent that they are not sequels of previously popular movies, and I appreciate that.

>>90366486
why are you so butthurt?

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>>90366516
It's Cartoon Saloon's next film.

>>90366439
Eh, it sounded to me like the person was trying to give a short summary of what he/she felt of the movie. But yeah they could be making shit up because of that Zucchini comment. I do appreciate the person for not disrespecting the other movies, and dismissing them just because they're "chinese" looking.

>>90366519
I get that, I'm just being the resident "Disney are IP hypocrites" poster.

>>90365075
>generic hetshit with a plot that has already been done a dozen times is "best animated movie"
Kys

>>90364821
I've found the message from Kubo way more focused and more important than Zootopia's.

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>>90366486
>tfw your country's movie is too obscure to even make it to the chinese shit tier

>>90366486
>disneyfag

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>>90364725

>I’m not big on animation or animators. I know a girl who only has sex with animators — she works over at Disney....But I loved The Red Turtle — it was so simple and it spoke about life and it looked like a watercolor painting to me. Plus I have a fetish for turtles — I’ve just written a project about a turtle.

>>90366570
>I do appreciate the person for not disrespecting the other movies, and dismissing them just because they're "chinese" looking.
Well, they didn't bother nominating any Asian movie anyway. Must have been a really shity year for anime, amirite?

>>90366656
You know in context I don't think he means that in a sexual way.

>>90365152
Kubo and Red Turtle were both better. That isn't a knock on your name though, it's a good animation movie.

>>90366607

it could be noir detective movie about animals wearing tasers attached to their niecks.

but that wouldnt won many awards or have big audience.

>>90366486
>tfw you know its bait but also know a ton of Disneyfags actually believe this shit

>>90366686
I'm not really up-to-date with anime

>>90366486
Anyone who actually thinks Inside Out was better than Anomalisa should have their eyes gouged out with a spoon.

>>90366941
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-17/shinkai-your-name-tops-spirited-away-as-highest-grossing-anime-film-worldwide/.111141

>>90367013
No fucking way, really? I have yet to watch it, though I'm not a stranger to shinkai's work. Saw the teaser/trailer, but as always, I didn't watch it on release day. That's interesting.

In other news, water is wet.

>>90367101
Also shut up Boco.

>>90364725

don't we have this thread every year

>>90364917
as an animator, I wish I could meet this woman

>>90364725
the only reason they made the animation categories was so the Academy would never have to nominate a cartoon for best picture again.

>>90364821
>I liked the other movie but I voted for Zootopia because of the (((message)))

Sounds about right

>>90366986
But muh emotions!!

>>90367204
They named Waltz with Bashir for best foreign film a couple years ago, but not in the animated feature category.
But to be fair they're both throw-away categories.

kek
Disney deniers try to believe this is a bait.
Even that N. Korea guy, assassinated a month ago, loved to go to Tokyo Disneyland.
The world's people love DISNEY and MICKEY MOUSE!

>>90367455
North Koreans are huge ameriboos though.
See: the Kims' obsession with basketball and more specifically the Chicago Bulls.

>>90367492
>Tiny frustrated Asian is obsessed with a group of black people known as the Bulls
Color me surprised.

>>90366554
There should be some kind of years-long betting system on whether Cartoon Saloon or Laika will win an Oscar first.

>>90367455
But I thought Moana should've won.

>>90364725
no shit

its all politics and business too.

>>90367704
Are you looking for /pol/ or /biz/?
This board pertains to animation.

>>90367678
Moana would have won if it had a stronger story, wrapped up neatly, and had a better middle part. I loved it and it looked beautiful and the songs are great, but the story needed work.

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>I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini.

>>90367759
I saw it a couple of days ago and I still don't get how she suddenly figured out the lava monster was just the goddess wanting her heart back.

>>90367818
I don't have a problem with that since I like the twist. But Maui needed a better arc; his subplot didn't wrap up nicely since they just kind of shrugged "oh yeah you stole the heart". The middle part also really felt kind of dragging that the Kakamora and Tamatoa felt out of place.

>>90364725
I don't understand what's so hard for people to understand about the academy awards. They're part politics, they're part popularity contest (the same thing really). This group of ~6,600 people have to watch as many movies as they can and collectively decide which are the best of a certain category. If you make a movie that is complete pretentious garbage and it appeals to a majority of the academy, you win. If you make a movie that is financially successful but has no qualities that are redeeming enough for a simple majority of the academy to think it was the best in a given category, you don't win. Academy awards don't have first, second, third place either, so it's easy for a movie to get shafted because it appealed to a few percentage points fewer of the academy. We don't get to see how many people voted for each movie in a category, although we ought to.

That article says 1/11 (500-600 out of 6687) members of the academy are in the short films and animation branch. Should people really expect more than that amount for a given category to have expert opinions on the category? Maybe their votes should count for more than an outsider's.

>>90367759

Moan would have won if it had ten months to enter public consciousness.

I guarantee that most of the judges had no idea Moana even existed.

>>90368294
I think Disney kind of campaigned for it, but they did release a teaser/trailer just a couple of months before release date, whereas Zootopia had a teaser a year before its release but had zero marketing after, except to tout it as a tech demo.

>>90368366
>zero marketing

oh that's bullshit. they planned to make it a franchise from the start. Moana was made to please little girls who weight little more.

>>90368401
>make it a franchise from the start
Now that is bullshit. Zootopia barely had any marketing, except showing it in panels for its new tech. The outsourced marketing team even reached out to legit furfag communities through emails. That was how low the marketing was.

>>90368467
you should have turn on tv from time to time. ads were aired often.

>>90368467
I mean, I'm not sure how relatively we're supposed to take all this but Zootopia certainly had some traditional marketing.
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/zootopia-again-tops-in-tv-ad-spending-1201713131/

I can't stop laughing at these responses.

>I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini.
>Plus I have a fetish for turtles — I’ve just written a project about a turtle.
>I know a girl who only has sex with animators — she works over at Disney.

Turtle-fetish guy seemed most genuine.

>>90364725
Well, those votes aren't as awful as they were in recent years. Plus, Zootopia is kinda good

>>90364969
Gonna tune it up a bit and push for it. Expect it in two years or so.

>>90367818
Seemed simple to me.

>Te Fiti is gone
>Te Ka is the only living land being around
>has an empty spiral spot for the stone

>>90368523
>>90368546

Aren't tv ads/trailers standard marketing? Outside of that, it didn't have that much buzz until word of mouth started to spread. But I did keep on seeing it touted as a demo reel for the technology they developed. In blogs and panels before this was released, they always highlight the new texture tech and the worldbuilding they had. It was all so technical and not something you market to normies to show you're making a franchise.

I got a different vibe with Moana's marketing. It focused on how this is a journey for her and how the story won't have a love interest, and how cute the pig is.

>>90368764

Pig? Maui wasnt cute.

>>90368803
I get it but I ain't laughing.jpg

>>90365075
Good joke.

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>>90364725
I'm surprised by how many actually view most/all of them.

Were they shamed from previous years into making sure people actually watched what they were voting for?

>>90368764
>Aren't tv ads/trailers standard marketing?
Well yeah but they literally had more ad time than any movie on US national networks for a couple of weeks. And they weren't showing animation demo reels then.
I'm not saying it's the most marketed movie of all time but it wasn't exactly Good Dinosaur tier either.
And it was marketed outside of the US too.

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>>90368764

>>90365362
I will never understand how an adult uses freakin' and fucking in the same sentence.

Happy that people are willingly abstaining from choosing, but anyone who expects anything other than a popularity contest is deluding themselves.

Since '06 Disney/Pixar has gotten
9/11 Oscars
9/11 Golden Globes
7/11 BAFTAs
7/11 Annies

>>90364725
Huh, more people who actually watched stuff this time.

I think no one has brought up the most interesting thing: 2017 will have zero Disney movies. It'll be the first year that voters can't just vote for Disney by default. So they'll be forced to choose something else or abstain.

>>90369089
>>90369035
TV ads and cardboard pop ups seem very standard marketing for me. My country didn't get that pop up though, although I'm sure the US and Japan have that.

I guess I'm just seeing the marketing as very lackluster and run-off-the-mill: TV ads, cardboard, a couple of articles regarding its tech, then that embarrassing email reaching out to furry communities.

Compare it to princess movies. It has standard marketing, plus the already expected word of mouth that it's a princess movie. And with Moana, they had Hawaiian dancing in some events promoting it.

Then look at other animated movies. Minions marketing was just fucking everywhere. KFP had tie-ins. Finding Dory rode that nostalgia marketing hard.

I only really started seeing buzz about Zootopia when it kept being extended in Asian markets (South Korea and China are notable in this), plus word of mouth, and that's when its popularity really took off.

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If you care about award shows you deserve all of the misery that comes from them.

>>90369580
Coco will win. it's about mexicans.

It's fucking PIXAR, duh!

What else is new? We've had this thread every year since they started doing this Brutally Honest Oscar Ballot thing.

>>90369659
so onc again B(ackup) movie won over A grade princess movie, right?

>>90369373
And THIS is why God created the festival.

>>90369745
Yes, it's Lion King and Pocahontas all over again.

Lion King blew up hard. I don't think they expected Pocahontas' success to be that lackluster.

>>90369659
>TV ads and cardboard pop ups seem very standard marketing for me.
Nobody implied otherwise, I'm only disagreeing with the retarded notion that Zootopia "barely had any marketing". There's a difference between standard Disney marketing and no marketing ffs.

>>90369845

it's a mix of Lion King and Emperor's New Groove.

actuall Lion King of our times is ___Frozen___

>>90364725
and I don't care about some industry circle jerk for assholes 20-every-fucking-year edition. The Oscars are meaningless today, only slightly more relevant than the fucking Grammys

Hey, they actually tried this year.

>>90364725
Dear god they must be super rich because they are fucking retards

>>90369849
Keyword there is barely. Standard marketing is SOP. You don't expect Disney to have a movie and not put ads on TV.

But compare it to Moana that had Polynesians dancing and shit. Then compare it to movies like Minions that had Mcdonald's tie-in.

Zootopia would look like it had barely any marketing.

>>90366477
>in order to get them understand that animation isn't just for children,
According to a quick google search the average age of an academy voter is 63. You don't teach a 63 year old man new things, you hope that they shuffle off the mortal coil quicker so that someone less brain damaged and senile can take their place. The good news is that animation is becoming more and more accepted among the younger generation- there's not really any taboo anymore about talking about animation among 20-30 year old normies, except with the chadiest of chads and the staciest of stacies. It's a completely normie thing these days to go and watch disney films long into college and beyond. As this generation grows up and takes over more and more, then animation will leave the ghetto. This will take decades though.

>>90369978
Subway got some stickers.

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>>90369978
>barely
And it's still wrong. It's even wrong to say the Good Dinosaur barely had any marketing and it had a shitload less than Zootopia.
Stop pretending that not being literally the most overmarketed product of the year means a movie "barely has any marketing".

Fuck one of the nominees this year had so little marketing that one of the voters thought the movie about life as an orphan that featured themes of alcoholism and pedophilia, was about life as an actual fucking zucchini. AND PEOPLE ITT THOUGHT THAT WAS RIGHT. On fucking /co/.

Fuck off.

>>90366063
Disney made their deal with Ghibli in the 90s starting with Princess Mononoke and a DTV release of Kiki. John just prodded Disney into localizing the rest of the catalog.

>>90370117
Barely doesn't mean no marketing, so that isn't exactly wrong. In the context of big animated movies released by leading animation companies, and when compared with Moana, Zootopia didn't have that much marketing.

Keep in mind that the initial conversation compared Zootopia and Moana.>>90368294

>>90370402
So it had less marketing than about 2 other animated movies this year, in a world where more than a hundred of them are produced. Whoop-dee fucking doo, what an underground achievement of word of mouth.

Keep in mind your original answer
>>90368366
>Zootopia had a teaser a year before its release but had zero marketing after, except to tout it as a tech demo.

>>90366270
The next Disney movie is WiR2, there's nothing for 2017.

Though like you said, it will have been a bit over 5 years after WiR by the time it comes out next march.

But we're getting 3 Pixar movies within 1 year so guess that makes up for it.

I don't understand if they don't give a shit about animation why do they vote on best animation?

>>90364725
The solution would be to allow only people involved with animation and probably critics to vote on the two animation categories and the special effects one, but then that would make it more complicated for them and that has no chance of happening.

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>>90373055
So that dumb children's films will never again taint the pure 'best picture' category. Only dramas allowed. (Note that in pic related 'Comedy' refers to dramas with a joke or two in it).
That is literally the only reason, they made the whole category shortly after an animated film (I think beauty and the beast?) got nominated for best picture, so that they could shunt that dumb children's stuff aside and segregate it to it's own category and focus on what's important, like an endless parade of movies about overcoming cancer.

Someone mentioned that the average age of academy voters is 63. I don't know why the fuck people care what their opinions are or why it's a global event. I don't consult my local old folk's home to find out what their favourite movies of 2016 were.

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>>90364725

>>90366607
>generic hetshit
fuck off to your YoI threads fujoshit.

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>>90365106
>mfw Kimi No Na Wa got shafted at the Oscars
My only theory is that the movie was supposed to be released before the Oscars but it was announced that Radwimps did English versions of the songs in the movie and somehow caused the release to be delayed because FUNi was waiting for those songs to be finished

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>>90365075
>your name
>good

Babby's first romance anime

>>90374466
That's every shinkai movie in a nutshell

>>90374466
If the only criteria for winning Best Animated is that your movie made a lot of money, there's no reason Kimi no Namae shouldn't have been nominated.

So, is anyone going to stream the other nominees? I havent seen My Life as a zucchini

>>90374317
I assume it's Funi's fault/foot dragging, the movie had a long, and wide release for an anime here late last year.

>>90375868
I think literally nobody on /co/ has. It's pretty hard to find in pirated version even in French.

>>90375868
its on kisscartoon

>>90366986
Anomalisa was far from a perfect film but it was more original and enjoyable than that generic Pixar shit. Pixar stopped making films better than "ok" after Up and people only remember the opening sequence.

>>90373361
Look, I'm no defender of the Oscars when it comes to animation, but all of this is straight up wrong. Beauty and the Beast was nominated for best picture in 1991 and the best animated feature category was created in 2001. Part of the reasoning they gave for creating the category was because there was an increase in the number of animated movies being released every year. Since then, Up and Toy Story 3 have also been nominated for best picture, in 2009 and 2010, respectively.

>>90366486
But anon, disney lost an oscar to DC

>>90366380

Wanna know what's fucked up?

Big Hero 6 won more academy awards than Civil War.

That means BH6 is the greatest cape movie as a fact.

>>90366689

He's a film judge in California.

We have no idea what he meant.

>>90366739

Yeah, but then people would have said it was Fortress with furries.

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>>90365990
Wall-E had several live-action segments and won. The rules states something like 80% of the film has to be animated, which leads to odd bullshit circumstances like Alvin and the Chipmunks movies and The Smurfs also making the yearly animated film shortlists. The definition of "animation" doesn't lend to motion-capture for the Academy though, because otherwise Avatar would have been eligible. Just because they didn't want to stoop one movie down to the low level of being considered a cartoon, they forced movies like Adventure of Tintin to be disqualified for not being animated (it very well could have won if it wasn't). So according to the Oscars The Polar Express and Tintin aren't animated movies, but Dan Ackroyd Yogi Bear, Marmaduke, and Alvin Does Dallas are.

The Oscars make no sense, but hey, at the animation branch is pretty solid when it comes to nominations, giving attention to many otherwise obscure gems.

>pic unrelated and undeserved, fuck you movies like Kaguya come around once in a lifetime

>>90384604
I'm still butthurt that BH6 beat Kaguya at the Oscars.

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>>90364725

>One voter admits he didn't watch or vote for much because there were more important political things going on which took up most of his time

There is no reason to take these awards seriously. They're a fucking joke and have been for decades.

>>90385229
Hard to beat the Di$ney dollar my man.

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>>90364725
>I really didn’t like Borrowed Time — there was no point and the whole Western theme didn’t work for me, period.

>>90385384
I love Western, but Borrowed Time was pretty shit honestly.

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>>90369700
>Coco will win!

Don't fucking remind me.

>>90378287
Not everyone here lives in America.

>>90366986
Anomalisa was nothing but pretentious shit, first movie I stopped watching half the way through and had to force myself to finish later on

>>90364725
If they truly didn't care, Moana would have won. It had the most advertising and it's freshest in everyone's mind.

>>90365754
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa DELETE!!!!!

>>90368587
I love turtle fetish guy (female)

https://worldfilmgeek.com/2017/03/03/godzilla-wins-big-in-japan/

>The biggest shocker came with the Best Animated Film Award.
>The expected winner, Your Name, was actually beaten out by In This Corner of the World.


Your Name even got snubbed by the JAPA.
In This Corner of the World won best animated.

Now that the dust has settled.
We can say,

The best animated film in the world in 2016 is ZOOTOPIA.
The best jap anime in 2016 is IN THIS CORNER OF THE WORLD.

>>90385285
Reason they are spinning that whole "accident" so hard this year.

Hollywood wanted LA LA Land. But someone reminded them they had to nominate the black film else more bitching about muh representation.

>>90389213

>implying Moonlight wasn't the better movie

If we're being honest Jenkins deserved Best Director too, but the split was acceptable.

But I forgot, minorities dared to open their mouths instead of shutting up so everything for the rest of time is tainted by "representation bias" for somehow not playing fair(AKA never speaking about their issues with the entertainment industry and jsut accepting everything they're deigned to be gived by white folks).

>>90386421
And Inside Out was paint by numbers bullshit.

>>90383449
By that logic, so is Suicide Squad.