Have you seen the reviews on comicbookroundup?

>>90359002

Comicosity - Allen Thomas
>If were being real, America #1 nearly brings me to tears. The story is constructed in such an intimate, real, and human way, something which is heartbreakingly rare in comics. Theres so much that I can see in the everyday life of queer people of color, but the entire team takes it even further by looking at the wonderful details of a young lesbian Latinas life. I cant speak to the totality of Americas of experiences as a queer Latina, but I imagine theres something in this story that many people, especially those who rarely if ever see themselves in comics, have been aching for, and moreover that they deserve. This first issue is everything I wanted and more, and it speaks to the optimism in me regarding representation and the hope that maybe, just maybe, the House of Ideas will listen to what the readers of this story will say, are saying, and have been saying for years.

>>90359002


Nerds On The Rocks
>America #1 definitely lives up to the hype as Gabby Rivera, Joe Quinones, Joe Rivera, Paolo Rivera, and Jose Villarrubia create a powerful, yet occasionally lost and world weary heroine in America Chavez. There are punching, one-liners, and even some surprises too, and you should check it out.

>>90359002

Comicsverse - Kat Vendetti
>AMERICA #1 is a stellar debut for America Chavez's solo series. Rivera writes a confident and multidimensional America, while Quinones and Villarubia illuminate the pages with energy and vibrancy. Above all, AMERICA #1 speaks from the heart, delivering powerful messages to readers through encouraging narration, as well as through a new vision of patriotism.

>>90359002
I take it they liked Brown Lesbian U.

>>90359002

Newsarama - Pierce Lydon
>The change is here. It’s right now. It’s going to wreck everything. And comic books will be so much better for it.

Graphic Policy - SHAY REVOLVER
>Overall, I found this issue to be a rapid-fire, clever and interesting setup. The writing is solid and appropriate for a young superhero, the story was realistic (in comic book storytelling format). The main character is thoroughly fleshed out, auxiliary characters were shown in a way that not only introduced them but, gave an insight to their personality. This is a great comic book for tweens and up.

Geeked Out Nation - Jess Camacho
>“America” is off to a strong start that captures all aspects of this character in a way that will please longtime fans and new fans alike. I can only hope that this series is allowed to run its course and be all that it aspires to be.

The Beat - Alexander Jones
>It is admirable that Marvel is demarcating their dedication to expanding the range of their characters' identities (at least in their books. Movies are another situation). No longer is every superhero a white, cisgendered person in tight spandex. Superheroes are now reflections of a culture that is coming around the notion that virtuous people don't have to fill some pre- fabricated mold. America #1 is a testament to Marvel's role as an ink-and- paper leader for diversity in action!

>>90359002
Has there ever been a book to important to cancel? I'm worried fear of the resulting shit storm may stop Marvel from doing whats necessary around issue 9 or earlier depending on just how bad sales are.

>>90359002
What did you think of America #1 /co?

>>90359002
Probably one of the cringiest comics I've read in a while. Not necessarily the worst but I wouldn't say its very good.

>>90359002
All of these reviews are disgusting, thank you. This fucking issue... I honestly want to believe its someone parodying a liberal viewpoint but goddammit I know that these are the sincerely held viewpoints of the author.

Just, wtf were they thinking when approving half of this shit...

>>90359002

What did you expect? These kinds of books are literally immune to criticism.

>http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/marvel-comics
>These reviews
>America the only 9.0

Can't hide bullshit this big

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>>90359162
>9.0

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>>90359162
>>90359237
>but user rating 5.1
There is still hope

>>90359140
dude I just wanna see what /co thinks about this cringy piece of shit getting amazing reviews.

>>90359002
Is she the same character from Young Avengers? She doesn't seems to be the same person. Did I miss something?

>>90359002
>Have you seen the reviews on comicbookroundup?
You how you can tell that none of those are legit?

Because even the Marble Reddit (which is normally a fucking hugbox) his shitting all over it:

"Yeesh. That was super cringe-worthy. I had an extremely difficult time actually finishing the issue."

"Don't even know what other comic I've read that was as bad as this one. Like damn."

"Bad, bad writing. This is what happens when you dig up a writer who's only previous work is self-published erotica. But it's better than Champions."

"I could stick with champions for five issues, at least it was alright for its first issue, if a little underwhelming. This was just a dumpster fire."

"Could you just imagine if they had Captain America talking about giving someone his Caucasian fist?

Good god this was bad."

And on and on just like that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/5wshp0/new_marvel_comics_for_march_1st_2017_official/

Who cares about what comic "critics" think? Shit they say that are good gets canned after 10 issues

>>90359365
>Is she the same character from Young Avengers?
Yes. In theory.

>She doesn't seems to be the same person.
That seems to be the consensus, yes.

>Did I miss something?
Shitty writing by a literal who.

>>90359002
>Have you seen the reviews on comicbookroundup?
If you look up the reviews of last week's Batgirl (MISGENDERED!) you'll see the exact same shit with these liberal fucks falling all over themselves to Virtue Signal with both fucking hands.

Look, I've seen worse Marvel #1's

But by no stretch of the imagination was it good.

>>90359477
This.
I find it baffling how NO one is willing to point out any weaknesses.

I literally start laughing at the people who use cisgender in a serious sentence like it's an actual scientific word that means anything.

>>90359416
What happened in Batgirl?

>>90359002
These are the same people that lauded Whor's debut despite how absolutely terribly written it was.

They're either paid off or beyond indoctrinated, this isn't shocking.

>>90359366
>Because even the Marble Reddit
Make a thread about it on /r/comicbooks. Come on, I dare you. They like Riri and were sad to see Hellcat canceled.

Granted I dont have prior knowledge of this character, but this book didn't really bother me. Am I missing something?

>>90359366
>But it's better than Champions.
SJWaid at his worst is a -little- bit better than this trash, but it's still shit

>>90359670
Did you think it was good?

The art wasn't particularly refined or even good in my opinion and the pacing seemed all over place. They move around the globe, times/worlds and different settings in such a fast pace I can hardly start to give a shit about any of it.

I'm more triggered by no one pointing that out and giving it 9/10s like it is an absolute masterpiece than the SJW stuff.

>>90359002
Who gives a fuck about some normie reviews?

>>90359670
It's liberal media being spewed from Marvel's mouthpiece. Nobody ever expects marvel to have liberal bias. You should be alarmed and surprised

The comic "reviewer" industry needs it's own gamergate.

There is no way these people legitimately believe what they're writing.

>>90359670
>I dont have prior knowledge of this character
Her backstory is totally interesting XDD
YAS QUEEN

>>90359056
Man, I'm an old school lefty but feel so detached from the modern left. I can't belief that someone would use a word like cisgendered unironically.

>>90359024
>Joe Rivera, Paolo Rivera,

They only did the cover though. I bet the reviewer has no idea who this people are.

>>90359366
The Marvel reddit is surprisingly better than most places. Though, the Marvelstudios reddit is flat out retarded.

On the subject, I feel like this book is going to be the straw to break the camel's back. We have so many books like this (Squrriel Girl, Hellcat, Hawkeye, Unstoppable Wasp) and all of them share the same tone. If the stupid gimmick in the 90's was every edgy super hero going after Sadam Hussain, then the feminist girl does slice of life things is the tedious trend of today. People are starting to realize this is crap, and of course reviewers say it's great. Reviewers want people to come and praise their stuff and keep coming back.

>>90359836
Seriously, how can people get paid to write this uninformed garbage?

The writer herself shows up on the first page as the "She's our future" woman. Do you really need to know what went wrong with this book?

>>90359670

I don't know how could you even enjoy it without previous knowledge of who Chavez is since it does nothing to explain her character outside of being brown. And lack of taste of course.

>>90359865
Yeah, it's a great experience for newcomers who have no idea who the fuck she is.

>a whole page of people singing her praises with no context
>Occasional spews of backstory like 'two moms from another universe'
>America generally acts like an asshole
>Holy menstruation
>Spergs at her girlfriend and acts like a humongous asshole over a minor disagreement.

If they're trying to make people like her, Marvel are being pants-shittingly retarded about it.

>>90359056
>And comic books will be so much better for it
Yep, those horrible sales figures are going to be so good for comic books.

>>90359819
Naw, Marvel is heading for a crash. They're doing so poorly that they are announcing their next reboot's titles sooner to try and keep afloat, and those books are probably going to fail just as fast. Like, is anyone really hyped for anything Ressuerxion? How about the Defenders/Luke Cage/Iron Fist/Rocket Raccoon/etc books being announced?

See, there is nothing wrong with a liberal message, but if you have no real story and are just putting your fanfiction tier stories to page, nobody is going to care.

>>90359828
Cause the "struggle" used to be based on empty stomachs, now it's based on feels and sex drives.

>Arise you prisoners of starvation
>Arise you wretched of the earth
>For justice thunders condemnation
>For a better world's in birth

>No more tradition's chains shall bind us
>Arise you slaves, no more in thrall
>The earth shall rise on new foundations
>We have been naught, we shall be all

>This is the final conflict
>Let each stand in their place
>The international working class
>Will save the human race

>So comrades, come rally
>And the last fight let us face
>The international working class
>Will save the human race

>>90359828
It's like being swarmed around with an army of Jar Jar Binks. Yes, you do agree with them, but lord, you are embarrassed to be around them.

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>>90359632
The two threads I saw were largely negative about it, and the negativity was actually upvoted to the top, I was shocked but pleased.

>>90359928
Critically they're still getting the best reviews. As for sales wise, just wait until all their big names come back

>>90359903
Why even have her gf move in to somewhere she doesn't want to when you can just kick open a portal to them whenever? Wtf is that

I couldn't even make it past the first page. I just ended up looking at the ones that had lots of replies, and it looks awful even by modern Marvel standards.

>"""""journalists""""" suck off mediocre schlock because there's a brown lady in it

And water's wet.

Holy menstruation someone end me.

Shit's still gonna be canceled after 6.

>>90359928
Nothing in this comic is merely "liberal".

Its so radically far left that people can't even tell if it's a parody.

Think about what makes the Flintstones ongoing great, and Marvel irredeemable trash.

>>90359903
>If they're trying to make people like her, Marvel are being pants-shittingly retarded about it.
Why try to make people like her when her fanbase is already created from Young Avengers Vol 2? YAAAS QUEEN!

I really hate how this obnoxious side of the internet is guiding Marvel now. Everyone wants to be like YA Vol 2, but the thing is, as much as I hate that run, Kieron at least had unique ideas he brought to it. Every other shitburger fangirl just read that run and went "I'm going to write this character!" but they have no imagination of their own. Like, having Chavez go back in time to punch Hitler and cause a paradox? All within 3 pages? RIVETING Storytelling. Even in story, that doesn't make much sense, because Chavez is from another dimension! Does she punch the Hitler from every dimension? And I'm sure some fangirl would go "HELL YEAH SHE DOES!" "Make America punch Hilter in every dimension! She's so perf!"

>>90359974
Feels like an excuse to make her look strong and sassy and independent. It comes across as her being a stupid asshole.

If I was the blonde, I'd want to get as far from the bipolar superwoman as I could too.

>>90360007
I swear, if the blonde has to apologize to her...

Then again, I would not be shocked if this is all a ploy to get her to bang Kate Bishop.

>>90359903
If America can make portals that can cross time and space, then why does she need her girlfriend to move with her? Why can't she just teleport back to her gf at the end of the day?

>>90360023

Congratulations, you put more thought into it than the writer did.

>>90359742
>Did you think it was good?

I assumed I naturally missed certain details because I dont know about the character, but I did feel everything was *too* fast. I think I got the gist of what was going on though. Also, I didn't mind the art; particularly I liked the page where she was wearing her "America"-themed glasses inside of that spaceship

Basically I wouldnt mind reading another issue to see where it goes but its not like I think highly of this introduction

>>90359574
She beat up Magpie in one panel after 18 pages of nothing

>>90360035
HOLY MENSTRUATION!

>>90359865
"enjoy" is a strong word, moreso it wasn't particularly egregious

but yes I wish the issue slowed down to establish the main character more. From what I gather she's a popular young superheroine who has dating issues and is a bit headstrong

>>90360023
This is a character that said 'holy menstruation.' She's not very smart.

>>90360018
>if the blonde has to apologize to her...

She's white and America's douchebag nature is 'charming' so of course she will.

I hated how everyone was calling Monica "Mon". It made everyone sound like they were doing a bad Jamaican accent. Why not just call her Monica or Spectrum?

>>90360074
lol, that and the "brown fist" part made me laugh. Is she someone who's known for making her own lingo or is that something the writer introduced?

>>90360091
I thought the exact same thing until Carol said it and I knew they wouldn't have a white lady unironically say something like that

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>>90359056
>The writing is solid and appropriate for a young superhero
>>90359024
>There are punching, one-liners

Which is the worst of the new batch of WOKE shit? Champions? America? Mockingbird? The Movement? Some other contender?


>>90359073
Instant legend, like OUR LOVE IS REAL or GIRLS. And it's only been one issue. Brown fisting is an instant meme. Future generations will see this book as a high spot in it's style in the same way the 90's ran on pure lefieldium.

>>90359002
If I gave a fuck about reviews, I could calibrate which reviewers I would never need to look at again by seeing which ones popped for this, and slammed Flintstones.

>>90360074
This was the first thing I've ever read of America, but from what people were saying in the storytime about how the people from her dimension worshiped Wiccan is true then her saying "holy menstruation" makes no sense. Wiccan, their "god" is a man and doesn't menstruate, so menstruation would hold no religious significance.

>>90359819
>There is no way these people legitimately believe what they're writing.

I disagree. You don't have the incestuous free shit for reviews in comics in the same way because comics can be pirated so easily.

These people do it for free. Or rather, if they didn't do this, they wouldn't have been hired.

Their rating is based on how much they agree politically. And they're absolutely up front about it.

>>90360130
It's amazing how close America got to Mockingbird's level of awfulness in the span of a single issue.

>>90360130
>worst of the new batch of WOKE shit? Champions? America? Mockingbird? The Movement?
My vote goes to Champions because it manages to flush down more characters who could have been good than the others.

>>90360168
>Their rating is based on how much they agree politically. And they're absolutely up front about it.
That's kind of the problem. Instead of viewing things as stories/entertainment, they view it as "How much do the politics resonate". Instead offering intriguing ideas, it offers the same ones. It's like how Tumblr loved Home because "Black girl who isn't sexualized"

>>90360186
I still say that only issue 3 and the last issue of Mockingbird were the truly awful ones.

>>90359067
The omega men

>>90359366
Scanbro didnt like it, and when i read it, i got bored really fast. I trust scanbro much more than paid shills.

Also, this looks a lot like the ghostbusters drama from last year. Critics love it because its proresssive, the masses dont follow.

>>90360130
>Which is the worst of the new batch of WOKE shit? Champions? America? Mockingbird? The Movement? Some other contender?

Forgot about Kate Leth. Take your pick.

>>90360077
>she's a popular young superheroine who has dating issues and is a bit headstrong

I don't even know why she is popular. Did the Young Avengers became popular with the main stream across the universes? I stopped reading after vol1, but right now I know Chavez is/was in a team that's supposed to be secret. So no idea why everyone in the multiverse recognises her.

Also a bit head strong is an understatement.

Here's my review:
I like my delicious brown waifu fit. Nice abs.
The rest of the book is shit.

>>90360168
>Their rating is based on how much they agree politically.

This is the entire problem with modern capeshit, and it's (((reviewers))).

Why the fuck does it even have a political message to begin with?

I want to read an engaging story about interestingly relatable characters... not author stand-ins to serve as their mouth piece to spew shitty radical leftists opinions, followed by them fighting a straw man just to show how ""right"" the author is about their beliefs.

>>90359011
>If were being real, America #1 nearly brings me to tears. The story is constructed in such an intimate, real, and human way, something which is heartbreakingly rare in comics
Is this person for real?

>>90360497
Sites like CBR won't stop gushing about Vol 2 of Young Avengers. Hell, most people pretend that Vol 1 of YA never even happened!

>>90360276
That's happening a lot these days.

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>>90359982
Man, remember when you used to be able to hate something despite it starring a female minority in it?

>>90360130
>If I gave a fuck about reviews, I could calibrate which reviewers I would never need to look at again by seeing which ones popped for this, and slammed Flintstones.

Any reviewer who praised this shlock and didn't like Flintstones should be fired, no joke. My LCS has a "recommendations" wall, and it had Squirrel Girl on it, but not Flintstones and I asked the owner about that it. I told him if the people working here know so little about comics they would recommend that shit but not Flintstones or Vision when it was out I don't think their opinions are worth listening to.

>>90360562
I think there's nothing wrong with a political message. The bigger problem is that they completely ignore all the problems the comic has because of it.

What use is it for a pro reviewer to let me know what works he politically agrees with? That's worthless.

>>90359851
It's funny too because a lot of these writers really think they're being revolutionary and breaking the norm of "straight dudes" as they call em.

There's gotta be a liberal comic that doesn't suck.

>>90359670
Here comes damage control

>>90361210
I unno. Is Green Arrow any good?

>>90359031
>as well as through a new vision of patriotism.
What, there was nothing about patriotism other than that out of left field sequence where she just punches Hitler out of nowhere

>>90359575
Whor was outselling old Thor anon

>>90359819
>Gamergate

you mean that thing that only /pol/ cared about and spammed on all the boards even though it had nothing to do with videogames?

>>90361368
That's not the point.

It's a tiny few notches above America in quality, but reviewers were still treating it like the second coming of Jesus.

>>90360934
Those were the days...

>>90359056
>It’s going to wreck everything.
Spot on.

>>90359056
>No longer is every superhero a white, cisgendered person in tight spandex
They haven't been in a long time.

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Mexican here. Can anyone give me a quick rundown on this book and why are so many of you triggered?

Honestly this is terrible. Some schmuck would plan to get into comics, look up reviews online. See America has really high rating, get it. And have this >>90344509 as the first introduction they get to current mainstream comics.

>>90361399
What? You mean /v/'s combination of rage and fedoraness was completely unrelated?

>>90360735
Considering that his ratings on comics are consistently predictable based on how brown and gay the work is, I think so. He's a true believer. One exception: Genny Tartoski's Luke Cage, which he blasts for being raacist.

>>90361501
Just read the book, miho. It's in the catalog, or archives. Possibly multiple times.

>>90361194
>I think there's nothing wrong with a political message.

That's because you're wrong.

If you want to read political cartoons, read Kelly.

The political message is what causes pretty much every problem in a comic that isn't art. The characters become one dimensional, the plot convoluted, the dialogue cringe inducing, and the entire thing one gigantic strawman supporting the authors entirely shitty political opinions that nobody wanted to hear about in the first place.

>>90361559
>What? You mean /v/'s combination of rage and fedoraness was completely unrelated?

In that one case oddly enough. It wasnt getting deleted from /v/ because people were arguing about game reviews. It was getting deleted because the focus was on the whore that was sleeping around which had nothing to do with /v/. So then it found its place on /pol/ where the constant complaint was women spreading their legs get everything they want. Even the copy pasta focused on the female aspect and barely even bothered to mention the industry, the game, or reviews in general

>>90361501
Thanks for perpetuating the lazy wetback stereotype my fellow beaner.

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>>90359011
>>90359024
>>90359031
>>90359056
All you need to do is put a brown person in the comic and honky libcucks bend over backwards to prove how "progressive" they are

>>90361501
because it's not good
>>90296221

>>90359836
They actually inked the interiors.

>>90361591
I disagree.

It's not the existence of the political message, in and of itself that's the problem. There's plenty of good, great and even superior works with political messages. The current Flintstones run is astounding. The boondocks. Chris Priest's Black Panther run, V for Vendetta. Transmetropolitan.

No. The problem you describe is twofold. First, is politics first with bad execution, which makes a lot of the shit read like a chick tract. The second is how ideologically lock step all these fuckers are. It's completely predictable and boring.

>>90361647
You're being lazy as well by not telling me.

>>90361399
>you mean that thing that only /pol/ cared about and spammed on all the boards even though it had nothing to do with videogames?

Nah triple nigger, just throwing a stick into the editorial orgy and watching twenty-seven separate journalist websites post the exact article at the exact time, then delete and change those articles. Or reuploading deleted photos.

It's become a post-2013 internet past time to show people every now and then that the ones behind the industry are even more mentally stunted than those buying from the industry, it's meant to be the other way around.

>>90359790
>Nobody ever expects marvel to have liberal bias.
How fucking new are you?

>>90361501

ur book is shit lmao get a real job

>>90359031
>multidimensional
Does this mean multifaceted here? How do you even achieve that in 24 comics pages of modern comics?

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>>90359011
>Allen Thomas
Looks like a very normal individual

>>90361796
Her power is to travel to other dimensions.

>>90359056
>America #1 is a testament to Marvel's role as an ink-and- paper leader for diversity in action!
Kek.

>>90359002
Has there been a single negative review? Hell, has there even been an average review? I knew comic book reviewers were all shit but this is ridiculous.

>>90359011
>The story is constructed in such an intimate, real, and human

having most of the characters acting like groupies for your lead is not real and human

>>90359002
>fag nigger
DROPPED

BEHOLD

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/5x39fm/what_explains_this_big_difference_of_opinions/

>>90361722
>The current Flintstones run is astounding.
Specifically because it's -not- pushing a political message.

>The boondocks.
Is pretty much a political cartoon.

Never read the next two.

>Transmetropolitan
Also great, specifically because it's -not- pushing a political message.

Unless you're 12, and read it without realizing that Spider is gigantic hypocritical piece of shit who is frequently wrong about everything.

>First, is politics first with bad execution, which makes a lot of the shit read like a chick tract.
I was actually thinking about how this is basically a leftist chick tract.

It's more than possible for a comic to contain political -themes-. The Flintstones had an arc with a stand-in for gay marriage, without weighing in on whether it was good or bad (and was funny as well). Transmetropolitan dealt with some of the dangers of capitalism and democracy, without going full blown "THIS IS WHY EVERYONE SHOULD EMBRACE COMMUNISM!!"

When a comic pushes a political viewpoint, then it is always, 100% shit. The universe becomes even less believable than an flying man who shoots lasers out of his eyes, and absolutely everything suffers because of it.

>>90359670
>There is no narrative structure. It's just a loose series of unrelated events.

>She can literally teleport but her and her girlfriend break up because GF doesn't want to move to where the university is

>Adolf Hitler happens to just be casually standing right behind her, in the middle of a battlefield during WW2.

Anon you need to read some good comic books.

>>90360082
>This is a character that said 'holy menstruation.' She's not very smart.

You know what would make the comic readable? Give America her own Great Gazoo. A little green dude that follows her around and constantly points out when she does or says something fucking stupid.

"You don't need her to move, stupid. You can make portals."
>"...with my little brown fist!"
"You're rearing red gloves, dum-dum.
>"Holy menstruation!"
"Oh my god, are you retarded?"

>>90359011
Are these people for real?

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>>90359002
>marvel has resorted to paying critics now to boost sales

the butthurt & backpedaling is going to be amazing when this book gets cancelled in a few months

>>90362120
>a few months
How many issues are they going to inflict on the world until then?

Can this be considered treason under U.S. law?

>>90361833
Yeah I know but it felt like reviewer was trying to say multifaceted. Here >>90359056 another reviewer calls character "thoroughly fleshed out." It seems like they don't actually know what the term actually means.

>>90359056
Leftism is a mental disorder.

>>90359067
Marvel lets some books like this get away with terrible sales.

Moon Girl, Squirrel Girl, Hellcat (until #17)

>>90361906
Fuck you, faggot.

>>90361501
It feels like a parody and it lacks self awareness.

>The issue begins with people telling you why America is so amazing and you should like it. The vocabulary is...outdated, to say the least.
>The sudden inclusions of Spanish in the dialogue are just cringeworthy
> America's "queer poc" identity is brought up every 2 seconds...merely in the intro page, let alone the entire issue. And it's not even in a natural way like, say, spending time with her girlfriend (thought there's a bit of that). She does it in an artificial, unsubtle way, like shouting "taste my brown fist!" to a monster of white light.
> There's also expressions like "for princess Leia's sake!" or "holy menstruation!".
>Also her character developement is hindered by dumping her girlfriend in the first issue.
>The issue ends with her travelling to WWII and punching Hitler, who for some reason is in the middle of a battlefield

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>>90359073
I haven't read it, has it been storytimed?

They repeat her backstory like 3 times in the same issue. "I wish my moms were here" holy fuck. Only the subtle dig of 'tweens and up' seems fair.

>>90359073
Probably the worst issue I have read all my life. The only thing I can say that I liked was her costume, literally everything else was dogshit. The fucking zeitgheist of Marvel Nower and their leftist leanings ruining comics.

>>90360799
>>90360276

that's because critics have little to no credibility nowadays since everyone realized they can be bought & sold like boipussy in prison

>>90359632
They're pretty negativein the WPL thread

>>90359162
These numbers means jack shit, a fucking 9/10. What monumental horse shit.

>>90359056
Strange, out of all the comic reviewers (Bleedingcool, CBR, AV Club, Comicsalliance), Newsarama always struck me as the less SJW one.

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>>90362201
>There's also expressions like "for princess Leia's sake!" or "holy menstruation!".
>Also her character developement is hindered by dumping her girlfriend in the first issue.
>The issue ends with her travelling to WWII and punching Hitler, who for some reason is in the middle of a battlefield
Holy shit. This is like every SJW's dream.

>>90361960
>Flintstones and Transmet aren't political
Senpai

>>90362279
Yes pham?

>>90359366
Marvel Rebbit doesn't blindly defend a comic starring a minority? How did this happen?

>>90362142
my best guess will probably at least 6 maybe 12 at most keep in mind if she's meant to be a plan B if carol bombs they're going to be a little more flexible with her sales

>>90359477
>Look, I've seen worse Marvel #1's

Name them then.

>>90360091
Reminded me of the trolls in warcraft 3.

>>90360276
Critics are paid shills and ideologues. It has been stated previously but the comic book industry needs their fucking gamergate to at least lessen their stranglehold on it.

>>90362336
>If Carol bombs
>If

>>90359011
Ok the comic isnt bad.
But this text is way exxagerated.
The books feels rather cheesy but this is more like a praise and without context i would thgink is sarcasm.

Are these people aware that Miss America was created as a fetish fulfillment character ?

I hope you people aren't merely complaining about this on /co/, instead of ripping apart these reviews in their comments section and downvoting this shit wherever possible.

Hold up, /co/. You're telling me she's a hispanic POC lesbian superhero, the leader of the best superhero team in fact, who comes from a matriarchal world where two women can have a kid by themselves filled with black people?

Who the fuck wrote this, Tumblr?

>>90362611
Why though? Book's gonna tank anyway, who cares.

>>90362336
If this is plan B, I don't want to see what Plan C is.

>>90359024
>Gabby Rivera
>Joe Quinones
>Joe Rivera
>Paolo Rivera
>Jose Villarrubia
Mira la cantidad de chicanos, por Dios

>>90361399
Triggered the BBC, The Guardian, WSJ, etc so much so that they're still going on about it.

>>90362611
Don't think such a campaign is necessary in this case. Nobody but hardcore Tumblrisms and paid critics seems to even vaguely like it.

>>90361405
Thor (Jane) is way above America and nowhere near as cringey, it has some bad moments but thats it, I was one of the people who praised her a lot when she debutted and I still do, I never read Thor before so saw it as a new jumping on point, it's not the best comic ever but Jane is cute

>>90362394
Squirrel girl.

>>90361210
What kills me is that they are all doing the exact same thing. Nobody is changing it up!

>>90362678
She also says things like giving people her brown fist

she is literally a alternative world neo nazi

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>>90359073
Its a solid book. It tries a little bit too hard to be Stuart Immonen written. Art is Ok. Action at the start was Ok to forget that for a 1# it was way too much fleshing out setting. The setup of the direction and America character was solid too.
Its feels like 80s/90s cheesy like with sometimes a little bit cringy and stereotype dialoges or behaviour.
If this replaces Hellcat in manpower, oh i mean workpower, and money, i approve it. If it would be an young avenger book thing, i would buy it. But regarding the agenda from Marvel and the fear of "girl power" getting too much spotlight crippling the story i will pass it and read it maybe online.

>>90362560
>>90362810
>>90362678
Yes she is a little bit too much wishfullfilment and sets some stereotypes in stone here.

There were way too many ridiculous things going on for it to be a good comic. The entire school campus with the lesbians doing a choreographed routine spontaneously to recruit America was eye rolling. Hell, the entire school part was insane.

>>90362817
Fuck you, shill.

>>90362810
Imagine if she was? Like in her alternate world, Spain won the Spanish-American war an conqueror most of the continent. The USA is basically the east coast and Mexico is the dominant power. She grew up in a brown hegemony, and as a rich land owners daughter. She looks at Anglos as weak willed, lesser people to be used as labor but never respected. She doesn't even consider Africans human, little different from Apes. She is devoutly Catholic and Praises Jesus every day.

Then she is transported to the current Marvel Universe.

Now that is a story to tell.

>>90362817

This comic would be just as terrible if you replaced all the "le diversity" bullshit with straight white characters.

It's just plain bad.

>can go literally anywhere at anytime
>breaks up with her girlfriend because she gets cold feet about moving out to work in the same town she goes to school

?????

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>>90362810
Call me crazy, /co/, but could there be some racial subtext in this page in one form or another? The subtle is too great and I can't put my finger on it.

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Just read it and it wasn't bad except for the whole punching Hitler bit.

You guys sure get triggered easily.

>>90363024
>You guys sure get triggered easily.

I don't think you understand what that word means.

>>90360082
>She's not very smart.
No she is just edgy.
I didnt research the writer, but i guess she is a 90`s kid that liked the early Bart Simpson and the Turtles crying "Cowabunga"

>>90363024
Now that you mention it where did Hitler come from on the last page? He just abruptly manifested behind Captain America on the battle field.

>>90362982
>pure white just means the absence of color
When you're talking about light that's black ya doof

>>90362982
Well they get the color spectrum wrong as White is ALL color wavelengths. Also She's mostly PINK.

>>90362817
>>90363024
I hope you people are fucking trolling. This writing is atrocious even if you take out the political soapboxing (which would be about 70% of the dialogue, but still).

>>90362982
Yes, White being defeated by a brown fist appears two times in this comic

if it was a color joke it would be red of the gloves or just colot

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>>90362982
>pure white just means the absence of color

>>90359366
>I was expecting America to say something about adding some red and blue with that white, but nope. brown fist
leddit had a good idea for once, impressive

>>90363059
He apparently was just there, in the middle of the battlefield, doing nothing.

But if you didn't find it good, you are easily triggered.

>>90363073
>>90363080
It's a metaphor for Aryans excluding People of Color

>>90359011
It reads like satire.
I'm sure it's not, though.

>>90359002
>>90359011
>>90359024
>>90359031
>>90359056

No one talking about how THICC she is
fucking faggots

>>90363095
Even if that was the case, the metaphor is not correct; pure black is the absence of color, not white apprantly.

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>>90363052
I understand it just fine.

>>90363075
It's not terrible, but it ain't great either. Certainly doesn't deserve all this attention and outrage.

>>90363109
She always been slender, that was just shit art

>>90359011
>I imagine theres something in this story that many people, especially those who rarely if ever see themselves in comics, have been aching for, and moreover that they deserve
where are the straight nonwhites what the fuck
>>90359056
>No longer is every superhero a white, cisgendered person in tight spandex.
now they can be gay brown people still suboodinate to mighty whitey

>>90360130
Mockingbird and the power of tampons was the worst so far.

The rest is just really stupid, that one was offensively stupid.

>>90362521
you always have to be open to hypotheticals no matter how unlikely they are of happening otherwise you'll look really silly if they do happen

>>90362694
given how much money & time they spent to pushing carol + how much they're spending trying to just stay in the top 100 + how much more time & money they'll have to spend to push chavez i don't think that they will get to plan C before disney decides to step in

>>90363101
Its not. And this one book has completely changed my mind. About wanting to help promote issues of inclusiveness.

I want to inform and include. But the majority of people that latch onto this kinda material seek to use it as a bludgeon against those they disagree with.

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>>90360134
>"holy menstruation"
And what makes it more dumb is, that its an unpleasnt, tiring, sometimes inconvenient or messy body functions. That isnt the way of making it normal or praising some natural wiccan stuff. Its just a body function.
This is the equivalent to "holy sperm", "glorious fart" or "mighty mucus". This is like the Tick crying "spoon".

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>>90363176

>>90363172
Holy Shit

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>>90363176
>>90363188
The writer on Twitter. Where does Marvel find these people, feminist dance theory?

>>90363132
>It's not terrible
Not sure if bait or extremely low standards.

>>90363161
I'm on board with promoting issues of inclusiveness.

But I can't say I appreciate your choice of comics.

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>>90363345
It's not. Alan fucking Moore has done worse.

If you take the target audience of this comic book into account, it's exactly what they will like. It's not for you, obviously, but that doesn't make it awful.

>>90363176
>>90363188
I never understood the tampon thing. Granted I'm a man but...what is there to talk about? I already know that they exist and what function they serve...how am I supposed to have an entire dialogue about tampons? It seems like the writer thinks they haven't been mentioned in comics because they're stigmatized, but the truth is just that there isn't anything interesting to say about them.

>>90362900
>shill
I have the feeling you dont know what that word stands for.

>>90362929
Its Ok for me, neither greater nor bad.

>>90363075
It seems more you look through your "anti-SJW" glasses.
Its not that bad. But its not as good as the reviewers write neither.

Calmly and slow, the shills are coming.

> I-it wasn't good, but wasn't terrible.
> That part wasn't good, but the rest of the book was.
> It was pretty solid.

Tomorrow they will be praising this shit

>>90363161
>>90363363
>help promote issues of inclusiveness.

I agree.

The lack of positive neo-nazi representation in comic books is a very serious issue that needs addressing.

Growing up as a young neo-nazi, I never had any positive neo-nazi heroes in comic books. Instead they would just stereotype my people like we're all some kind of jew-hating extremists.

What can we do to promote tolerance for underrepresented neo nazis such as myself?

>>90363393
>"i-it's just not for you" meme
It's complete garbage from any standpoint.
Just admit that you're a tasteless idiot.

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>>90363403
I don't really get it either. Nobody wants to talk about the bodily functions of any gender, they're fucking gross.

>>90362922
That would be interesting. A little bit like this StarTrek mirror universe or Superman Redson

>>90363393
>Alan fucking Moore has done worse.
/co/ has gone to shit.

>>90363476
white will reboot when?

>>90363451
>It seems more you look through your "anti-SJW" glasses.
I'm looking at it through "I read comics for entertainment, good characters and stories, not cringeworthy political commentary" glasses. A version with the opposite political beliefs wouldn't be any better. Hell, this is so unsubtle a version of this comic with the opposite political beliefs would be that Christ-chan comic from /pol/.

>>90363491
B-but muh fishrape... ;_;

>>90363473
I'm confused by who they think they're fooling. It's complete shit. Not even "just not my cup of tea" shit. Everything about it is objectively awful. If the next thread is composed entirely of 100 shill posts saying how great it is, I am not going to suddenly stop realizing that it is still, in fact, shit.

Do these people think they're clever, going "well if we post a bunch of positive reviews, everyone will magically go along with it"? Is this type of herd mentality what they believe everyone else subscribes to, or is it simply a result of their own herd mentality?

>>90363514
Better than "Look, Hitler is standing in the middle of the battlefield for no reason at all".

Illiterate retard.

>>90363476
>What can we do to promote tolerance for underrepresented neo nazis such as myself?
Make Steve Rogers a secret nazi sympathizer?

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>>90363485
See, this is what i meant that it gets you people triggered, throwing ad hominems left and right and getting upset over nothing. It's not for you, it's obvious you'll think it's garbage. I can read it, not like it and objectively figure who will. Relax already.

>>90363491
Neonomicon is miles worse than this, from my perspective. I honestly can't figure out who would enjoy that book.

>>90363476
all that butt-hurt in just one post
Let me guess, everybody who doesn't agree with you is from /pol/, right?

>>90363555
Maybe you're too autistic to understand the mocking tone, but I'm on your side, faggot.
The post was mocking the other faggot who posted Neonomicon as if its existence makes America less shit.

>>90362982
>/pol/ - PURE WHITE ENERGY

>>90363576
The fact that people like shit doesn't make it any less shit.

>>90363127
>>90363095
>>90362982
White and black are not a color, its a luminosity.
Black is when there is not much light and white if there is too much.
I wonder if the artist or the colorist had any color theory in their art class.

>>90363599
Sorry anon, Poe's law.

>>90363616
Ah, it's okay.
I see shills are starting their damage control.

>>90363393
Who the fuck is "the target audience" supposed to be?

It certainly can't be Ultimates fans, because the only similarity there is the name.

It certainly can't be Hispanics, because from what I've been seeing, they find this randomly-inserted Spanglish as cringey as everyone else.

It certainly can't be "people who like comic books", because this comic book is complete shit in every way possible.

>>90363191
lol

>>90363611
>white and black are not colours
Wrong, white and black are not HUES. White and Black are values. Specifically black is a colour with no value, regardless of hue, and white is a colour with full value regardless of hue.

>>90363576
>I honestly can't figure out who would enjoy that book.
And what kind of people enjoy Hitler standing in the middle of the battlefield for no fucking reason, beyond imbeciles like you?

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>>90363609
It being "shit" depends on your own personal taste in the first place. I have a different opinion.

>>90363546
The goal is usually to convince the ones that haven't read it yet to purchase, not change the minds of the ones that already did.
I don't quite get the point of shilling when there's a readily available storytime right there.

>>90363611
They don't just care, all that comic is about promoting SJW agenda, fuck science and fuck facts

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>>90363651
>>90363651
Listen, if you can't properly follow a string of comments and realize that was one of my only issues with the book, then please, abstain from the discussion.

>>90363636
>Who the fuck is "the target audience" supposed to be?
Girls. Girls that like comic books and instagram and hot topic and think they know everything there is to know about social causes. People like Max Landis too, I'm sure.

>>90363579
No, I was making fun of their term "inclusiveness".

It's another meaningless buzzword, like "love trumps hate", "stronger together", "he will not divide us", "resist", and another meaningless dribble.

They all directly translate to "agree with the things I agree with or I hate you", but masking it under an incredibly thin layer of undeserved moral superiority.

If they were really about "inclusiveness", they would also be promoting neo nazis, Klansmen, etc... but they're really just promoting identically racist anti-white propaganda, and calling it "inclusive".

>>90363393

I'm not jealous of your job as a marvel intern

>>90363721
>Girls

I think it's more specifically girls who buy comics as fashion accessories rather than works of fiction. The Temeraire series might be a bunch of dragonxmale fanfics but they've got a decent plot and characters. Monstress has a really cool world and character designs. This is just trash.

>>90363721
If you this is better than Moore, abstain from life.

Didn't you have a problem with she breaking up with her girlfriend because she doesn't want a distanced relantionship, when she can open portals for anywhere and distances are no problem at all? Is this part good?

>>90363653
No it fucking doesn't. There are objective standards when it comes to quality of writing, characterisation, plot etc. Any critic worth anything (so no-one who has "professionally" reviewed this book) will tell you as much. And this comic fails them all. It reads like fanfiction written by a teenager with no grasp of nuance or how to even make a character likable without having other characters, on the very first fucking page, straight-up tell you how great they are.

Bad writing is bad writing regardless of whether it's popular or not. And this is fucking terrible writing. There are even good ways to get political points across and still write well, but this is just so on the nose it's virtually propaganda.

Also, there are rules about avatarfagging m8, so stop it.

>>90363721
>Girls

This would be the perfect chance for all the girls lurking /co/ to leave the SU general, show up here, and tell this pathetic shill what do they think about this powerful brown queer latin& character and the amazing book the good people from Marvel have decided to bless us with

>>90363733
>he will nut inside us
I'm still kekking at this

>>90363721
You must have low opinion of girls.

>>90363403
>>90363487
Problem is everyone is ashamed but its just a normal body function.
What writers or tumblerinas think its, because its an female-only thing to set them apart from men.
It comes from stigmate women being on period when they rage or such thing. But it went along the condom to being just normal but not mentioned every second.
But Tumblrinas are very backwards thinking its still a shameless act and so obsessed with it as a symbol for oppression that they try to flood it into media despite its gets at low poo-humor level.

>>90363721
You know what else was a comic for girls?
W.I.T.C.H.
Guess what, it actually had competent writing and was written by a woman (this part is in case if you pull the "you just say it's good because it's written by a man" card)

>>90363885
So the operative logic is that they think it's some kind of horrible taboo that they're fighting against, but in actuality nobody wants to drone on about tampons/periods because they're just kinda gross?

Dang.

>>90360130
Fuck off, faggot. Our love is real is good.

>>90363721

I don't know about women but spanish is my mother languange and I'm not white by /pol/ and /int/'s standards and besides the objective fact that this comic is a piece of shit and Marvel should consider stop printing comics for a while, it's sometimes borderline offensive too.

For instance, in spanish all nouns are gendered, giraffe is femenine and monkey is masculine. If you're going to shoehorn spanish in your fucking comic, don't use "latinx" to make it gender neutral, JUST WRITE IN FUCKING ENGLISH LIKE THE REST OF THE COMIC. I feel like it tries to pander to me like if I was a fucking retard, I swear to god if I read that "mi gente" I'm going to get pissed

>>90363473
>still not know what a shill is
Nah, we just dont hate it that bad nor get caught by overhype.

>>90363546
>how great it is,
Not really we see it as it is. If that it a shill for you, you have indeed a low level anon.

>>90363673
you should read the post more carefull than. most of your shills are not really promoting to buy it.
>I'm not sure about your reading comprehension skills

>>90363721

>Girls only like things that are retarded.

End yourself my man.

>>90359011
>If were being real
>were

like it's some controversial political statement that's going to shock her contemporaries, jesus these fucking people

>>90359056
>The Beat - Alexander Jones
In this cuck's defense, he gave the book 6/10

>>90363647
Its not a color, than brightness is a color for you too?
>>90363679
They try too much making symbols and parables forgetting the plot or making it at least low believable.
Thats nearly the same level as Alien:Prometheus did.

>>90359366
>But it's better than Champions."
kek

>>90364063
>Alex Jones
brb water filters

Politics really doesn't have anything to do with why this book is bad. There aren't any politics here beyond "brown lesbians exist." There isn't any propaganda or heavy political agenda on display here. It annoys be that "popular current issues" are now synonymous with politics. Granted the writer lays on the "brown girl power!" a little thick here and there, but there isn't really anything political about this comic other than the fact that its main character is a brown lesbian. I really wish people would get off that topic and stop acting like political soapboxing is the problem here.

This book is objectively bad. It has nothing to do with my not being in the target audience unless the target audience is people who enjoy bad writing. I can appreciate good craft regardless of the target audience, hence why I enjoy some children's movies and hate others. Just because its aimed at children, doesn't make it immune to adult criticism. Likewise, just because this book is aimed at...idk...progressive bloggers? Doesn't mean I can't criticize its objective failings. Mainly the tone, pacing, and dialogue are pretty bad in addition to a couple of really nonsensical plot contrivances. I have nothing against a lesbian latino superhero from the lesbian latino dimension (that's actually a pretty fun concept). The book is just poorly written. The art is decent, and this certainly isn't the worst thing I've ever read, but it definitely is not worthy of praise.

>>90364009
>Referring to the group of shills as "we".

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>>90363923
Overall yes.
Its like telling Adam Sandler or Rob Schneider that some of their movies are very low humor and have gross jokes in it and they smell oppression.
I think psychological they just hate babies or pregnancies and thus celebrate when they cant get pregnant.

>>90359024
>lives up to the hype

But this shit came from nowhere?

>>90362176
All three of those are all-ages titles. Moon Girl isn't terrible.

>>90364205
Zero hype makes sense then. There were nothing to live up to.

>>90364212
All-age wasn't supposed to mean "retarded".

>>90359073
Bad. Far from the worst thing ever like these autists would have you believe, but clearly the work of someone who's not ready to have their own professional comic-writing gig.

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>>90359790
Marvel has always been a very "politically centric" company all the way back to the first issue of Captain America where he was punching Hitler in the face

The difference between then and now is that they portrayed both sides of the party spectrum with some hint of reverence (i.e. nobody was wrong, nobody was right, it was more or less up to the reader's own personal interpretation), not so much anymore

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>>90361501
back back, backitty back I say back back backitty back a back back back.

>>90364009
>(((we)))
Pretending like this comic is anything other than a complete disaster from start to finish is like calling 9/11 "a tiny accident".

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>>90363784
It is better than Neonomicon, yes. How many times do i have to state this?

>>90363749
You should be.

>>90363770
Yeah sure, kind of what I meant by the "Hot Topic" remark.

>>90363785
You're clearly too upset to carry an objective conversation with. My "avatarfagging" upstest you? Do something about it then.

>>90363817
Yes, it would. We could use the input.

>>90363860
I have a low opinion on the type of girls i mentioned, yes. Not ALL girls.

>>90363904
Honestly I didn't read that so I wouldn't know.

>>90363991
I'm of mexican descent. It does not bother me any more than it did when I watched Breaking Bad and they said phrases in bad spanish. I didn't thought they were thinking less of us or "pandering to me like i was a retard" either.

>>90364017
Not what I said, nor meant.

Anyway, we're beating around the bush too much, like I said, i had my grievances about the book, but It's not as bad as some of you make it out to be either. I was just curious as to why it upsets some of you this much. I'll take my leave now.

>>90363991
>it's sometimes borderline offensive too.
It was since ever. Its more of an american thing or trying to make a foreign heritage to sprinkle it into the character.
As a german the Nightcrawler lines always were cringy worthy after the 80`s.

>>90364366
>It is better than Neonomicon, yes. How many times do i have to state this?

Until it becomes true, so three hundred gorillion times more at least

>>90360018
>Then again, I would not be shocked if this is all a ploy to get her to bang Kate Bishop.
It is and you know it.

>>90360130
Champions is worse because it sacrifices five potentially compelling characters at the altar of progressivism instead of just one.

>>90361210
>There's gotta be a liberal comic that doesn't suck
Anything by Ewing

>>90364604
Four.
Miles has no potential.

>>90361345
No, but it's not liberal either, except for Ollie calling himself a liberal.

Mockingbird all over again in 3...2...1...

>>90364701
>tfw at first you were grateful Robbie wasn't in Champions but now he's getting cancelled

>>90361559
>He's a true believer. One exception: Genny Tartoski's Luke Cage, which he blasts for being raacist.
What else does that book have that the praised ones don't? A white, male writer.

>>90364681
USAvengers sucks ass. Not because it is "liberal" (?) or anything, but because it sucks ass.

>>90361210
Hulk

>>90364302
So, is new m.o.d.o.k gonna be the legit president? What is the context for this, even?

So how the fuck did WHITE IS THE ABSENCE OF COLOR get through... anyone?

>>90364250
No, but it means that the threshold for cancellation is lower.

>>90364796
No one cares, anon.

>>90363403
There was a big stink made in the last couple years about taxes being charged on feminine hygiene product, and that drove it more into the public discourse.

>>90364796
Because editors are just a handfull of people and besides trying to twitter for advertisment they cant check every page.

>>90364796

Because it was too much a good subtle political pun to ruin it with petty shitlord "science"

>>90364893
Good to know, I look forward to speech bubbles saying "This is how we know that 2+2 equals... five!"

villain falls from the punch

"COMMON CORE, biatch."

>>90364995
If the protagonist was a queer brown girl, this would be considered good and the critics would nearly cry of emotion.

>>90364995
While common core is shit, that's not what it is really...

>>90364995
Someone should just make "New Math Girl" who spouts science-related puns that don't make sense.

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>>90363491
Neonomicon is shit. Being written by Moore doesn't automatically mean it's in the same league as any of his good works.

>>90363555
Why is it worse? You're letting your personal views compromise your objectivity. It's blue shit and green shit. They're not the same, but they're both equally shit.

>>90363605
Underrated

>>90365161
It isn't worse than fucking "Holly Menstruation", imbecile.

One is a story that you don't like.

The other is a writer trying to complete the tumblr bingo in a single issue without any plot connecting one thing to another.

>>90363991
I know like ten words of Spanish tops. Why is "mi gente" upsetting?

>>90359073
Eh.

>>90365440
It's just "my people" in Spanish, I guess original guy is just pissed they just threw that in to say "SEE? SHE SPEAKS SPANISH" and nothing else.

>>90365161
You know that this comic is shit when the only two defenses people have are "ITS TECHNICALLY NOT THE WORST THING EVER WRITTEN", and going full postmodern "EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE SO 'BAD' DOESNT EXIST!"

You also know it's shit by reading any given page from it.

>>90364784
It was just a one-off gag.

>>90364752
In what way? Because you say so? That's not a legitimate criticism, anon.

>>90365517
I thought she was supposed to be some kind of interdimensional lesbian hell spawn?

Who are "her people"?

Generic Hispanic people who are politically correct?

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If she was just brown and gay and didn't call attention to the fact she's brown and gay every fucking page it would be much more palatable.

>>90365440

Because it sounds a little bit like "HOW DO YOU DO MY FELLOW SPANISH SPEAKERS?". Do you see normal people talking like that? Saying "my people" at the end of every sentence? No one talks like that. That's not even slang as far as I know, it's just Poochie-ing her way into spanish.

Fuck she even has access to a time machine now that I think about it

>>90365613
Context would just have it translated to "everyone", really ("PLEASE BUY MY TRADE PAPERBACK AFTER THE TWITTER SHITSTORM, MI GENTE = EVERYONE")

>>90365522
I agree that America is trash not fit for wiping my hairy brown asshole with. I am not defending it in any way.

>>90365275
It's just as bad, for different reasons. We agree that it was competently written rather than the obvious work of an amateur. I am saying that this in no way redeems any of its other flaws. Garbage is garbage, period. Coming in a nicer package doesn't change that it's a waste of material that should be discarded. A 3/10 and a 0/10 earn the same grade of F.

If you disagree, that's fine.

>>90365669
What would an appropriate thing to say that conveys the same sort of impression be? Or is there just not one because it's void as a statement? Like translated literally it doesn't work because "fear not" is way too formal for her, but like it sort of kind of maybe works as "I gotchu homes."

>>90364752
USAvengers is not his best work, but it is a pretty fun read. It's over the top and entertaining in a way that no current Marvel book is now.

>>90364784
That's from Spider-Gwen's universe so it doesn't really affect anything in the main universe.

>>90365440
It's so off. Like something you would hear from a populist dictator or a cumbia singer. If it was "gente" it would be barely more tolerable. But he's from a dimension outside space and time, they're not her people.

>>90359073
other than thick brown waifu, it was painful to read and I gave up in the first few pages and just looked at America's thighs.

>>90366252
good taste anon
what thiccest part of her did you pay the most attention?
nose for me, it's like a sun cleavage in how it keeps sticking out.

>>90366252
>>90366367
>THIIIICCCCCC
>humfhumfhumf
>THICCCC
>fapfapfap
>jumpy
>THICCCCCCC

Of course this type of shit would resonate with third world chubby chasers.

>>90361210
most things European and Latin American

^ No (You) for (You)!

>>90361501
Es una mierda. Incluso llega a ser ofensiva. Solo un Chicano con muy mal gusto lo podria considerar bueno.

>>90359073
Embarrassing. There was some set up there but it was knee deep in stupid. It falls into the new trend of minority characters' books being too steeped in their minority status. She gets praised by all minority/female characters. Goes out on women only teams. Ends up going to a college named after a hispanic women (they make sure you know that) where the only known male character is black and retconned bi.

It makes it feel unnatural and very obvious they're trying to make a point rather than tell a good story.

What is it lately with female led books and having women only adventures and gay sidekicks? It's so prevalent it seems like a red flag.

Also colors are extremely lazy. Color holds making it look like she lacks body parts in some places. The artist's style doesn't led to flat colors but they did it anyway.

>>90366583
I encourage you to read the spoilered part of the post :^)

>>90359937

The funny thing is that identity politics costs nothing. Identity politics is the new "opium of the masses". This has nothing to do with the old leftism. It's almost as if capitalists designed it as a distraction.

>>90365669
It's a Wayback Machine. get it. Get it. Like the internet? Get it?

>>90366666

>>90366072

To convey what? I don't understand what is she trying to say. If she's trying to address casually to the people she's talking to, it would be more natural to say "amigos" (friends) or "hermanos" (brothers, kind of like "bro" but more friendly)

If she's trying to prove she speaks spanish and she's a revolutionary leader or some shit, then "camaradas" or "hermanos" again. "Mi gente" is something not even politicians say anymore, it sounds like some Che Guevara shit, but not even actual communists nowadays. It's the least of this issue's problems anyways, but still

>>90366926
Don't you see why she's not saying amigos or hermanos, anon?

IT HAS TO BE NON GENDERED.

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>>90366956
>mfw you're right

>>90359073

Bizarre. The second time I read it, it's less about America herself, but the author's baffling reality where Western Culture was created by non-whites. And of course we need to plop our rmain character in a school setting because High School/College because, like jocks, all hipsters best years are in school where they're surrounded by people that think like them.

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>>90366956
Y u gonna tell me dis man

>>90367065
The college is one of the strangest things I've seen outside of a Grant Morrison comic. It's apparently for powered people and has Star Trek level technology with holodecks and beaming (and having the safety protocols disabled is a feature, not a bug!). This campus somehow exists in the regular Marvel universe rather than some alternate gaytopia.

>>90360130
>If I gave a fuck about reviews, I could calibrate which reviewers I would never need to look at again by seeing which ones popped for this, and slammed Flintstones.

I think there was only one person that praised America #1 and slammed Flintstones #1.

People shit on the 90s but I'd rather have those story types back instead of this.

>>90359056
>you will never be one of this retards
feels good man

>>90366956
Creo que realmente odio este libro.

>>90366636
damn i think this hits what was wrong with it.

The best comparison I would say is like Ms Marvel; that book started with Kamala and it didn't go out of its way to force that she was "different". She obviously is, but it follows a natural path: she's different but gets invited to a popular party where she's accidentally given powers.

America isn't like that at all. It goes out of its way to force the minority status onto you without letting her speak for herself.

Those abs tho...

>>90361990
>She can literally teleport but her and her girlfriend break up because GF doesn't want to move to where the university is

I hadn't even considered that, but that scene is terrible. I keep seeing reviews refer to it as powerful and realistic, but really it just makes America look like a cunt. So her girlfriend doesn't want to uproot her life, and be the one who works just to keep America happy. So rather than have a touching scene where two people at least try to resolve their differences, America goes into full down meltdown mode. She insults, belittles, and cuts off her girlfriend whom frankly holds more sympathy in the scene than the character they want us to like. Especially given the whole pretense here is that America is a free spirit who can't be tied down, so she can treat others poorly because they didn't do what she wanted them too. You know big hearts and empathy totally reconcile with being a total cunt to someone who just wanted to tell you she loved you, but couldn't make that jump with you.
Three pages have this many problems.

>>90363403
It's because women are mad at their periods so they assume men are too. 90% of feminism is projection.
>body positivity
Oh yeah....because women aren't the superficial ones
>slut shaming
mmhmmm
>dread their periods and have a repressed attitude towards filth and decay
There's a reason men are better comedians.

Even The Mary Sue is calling out the shitty dialogue:

http://www.themarysue.com/review-america-1-marvel/

>>90359002
do people actually listen to comic reviewers?

>>90367484
That's no wonder, they're the best representation of the "YOU WILL NEVER DO ENOUGH" crowd the world could ask for

>>90360130
Champions

It had potential

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>>90363636
> they find this randomly-inserted Spanglish as cringey as everyone else.

While I agree, this issue happens with a lot of characters everytime a writer is too bored to make the effort of translating sentences correctly.

Imagine what a Russian must feel when Colossus randomly yells stuff about Lenin, or a French speaking dude reading Gambit's lines, mon ami, oui? Diablo always cracked me up for this reason.

I don't think I like anything in it so far. Especially the coloring with some parts randomly colored and other inked in black. Then the feeling that I'm reading a serious/unfunny Nextwave and finally how forced it feels by moment, some pages could as well be photoshoped parody from /pol/.

>>90359056
> No longer is every superhero a white, cisgendered person in tight spandex
> Movies are another situation

Who's Blade and didn't he have a very successful movie before any ciswhite in tight spandex?

>>90366583
>chubby chasers.
America is real THICC, tho'
Not that inflation bullshit.

>>90362817
Gillen's Young Avengers sucked ass

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>Taste my brown fist
I'm pretty sure I saw this in a german porno once

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GUYS
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE POLITICS
I DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW BADLY WRITTEN THIS IS
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE DUMB LIBERALS

ALL I CARE FOR IS SOMEONE DRAWING AMERICA SCISSORING WITH HER GF AND LICKING EACH OTHER WET PUSSIES

DO SOME FUCKING FANART NOW. A FAN COMIC EVEN. SEND IT TO THE AUTHOR, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT, I JUST WANT MY LESBIAN PORN WITH THAT SUPER HOT THICC LATINA SO I CAN SHOOT MY GOO WHILE TWISTING MY FACE INTO THE MOST OVER THE TOP AHEGAO I'VE DONE IN MY LIFE

I'M SHOUTING BECAUSE MY DICK IS DIAMONDS AND I NEED RELEASE NOW!!

>>90362982
even more awfull than spencer BRAVO

>>90362982
Didn't America used to wear just hotpants?

>>90367616
Hahahaha

>>90367643
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/america_chavez/1

Enjoy yourself

>>90362982
>Well, pure white just means absence of color
>... So let me give her a little of this brown fist
I bet she tells that to her girlfriend everynight.

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>>90367684
Do you think this is good enough?
No thickness, no good art, she isn't scissoring anyone. She isn't licking anyone's pussy. One of them even has a dick. These are shit, anon. Why do you give me shit? Have I offend you? Have I called your mother a whore? I haven't. And yet you offer me this. I am nothing but dissapointed at you.

>>90367750
Fine, get bluballed. Loser.

>>90367750
> One of them even has a dick
>/u/ is that way

thought that was stavonnie

I do think it's interesting that the issue starts with the entire story going out of its way to talk about how great America is but the rest of the story shows her as obnoxious, stubborn, unwilling to work for anything, and perfectly okay with fucking over history if it suits her whims. I don't know if that's by design or if the creators think she's legit flawless and everything she does is actually justified. But a semi-decent course-correct could be about America learning to humble. Or at least it'll be better than "Nothing she can ever do will be wrong" if that's what they're actually aiming for.

>>90367781
>/u/ is that way
Actually that's a great idea. I might ask them.

>>90359002
I'm 100% convinced that you could smear shit on a page, call it a strong person of color and the comic book sites would call it a powerful and welcome statement that is long needed while giving it 10/10s. The book is, by ever objective measure, complete garbage and if it was about anyone that didn't check off so many diversity boxes it would've been reviewed appropriately.

What have been the reviews for stuff that's actually good look Foolkiller or Mosaic? Probably nowhere near as good.