AAAAAAGGGHH

>>90340419
Harder woman! My nipples aren't even singed!

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Don't worry superman!

I'll take control of her mind an-aaaAAAAAHHHHHH

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Have you ever tried watching a JL/JLU as a drinking game?

>drink if Supes is the first to go down
>drink if WonderBats is teased
>drink when >>90340604

My gf and I watch it like this occasionally. It's the only way she'll watch it with me

>>90340419
Anyone who doubts how much of a hack Timm and Dini were, only needs to look at this. They added a new weakness to Superman, because they wanted to make Batman look better.

>>90340875
If you had to mention that you had a girlfriend when nobody asked and when it's not relevant, you don't have a girlfriend. You fucking liar.

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>>90340604
Why the fuck did they even keep him around.

>>90342627
>>90340875

This was honestly a bit of a problem.

I partially blame Dini for the BatGod problem we have now.

>>90342627
you know how dbz has that problem where nobody besides goku can ever really amount to anything?

jlu was like the exact opposite of that, superman can never ever shine and everything had to be dragged down to batman's level

remember when superman gave darkseid the world of cardboard speech and punted him through skyscrapers and shit

and then darkseid just got up and dusted himself off and beat superman with a single button press

>>90342889
Even when Superman cut loose, he still got shat on at the last minute and Lex had to save the day.

Also Batman's near constant moralizing preaching where he's rarely ever in the wrong.

>>90342960
you know you have a problem when even fucking brave and the bold had less batwank in it

>>90342690
they felt sorry for him and he could do long monitor duty shifts

>>90342921
I'm okay with that only because it's Darkseid. Livewire and every JL/U enemy shouldn't be able to one shot him. I understand they don't want to have one guy invalidate the entire team, but I'd be okay with a few episodes with Superman being the only reason the league was able to win

>>90342820
someone edit it with orange piedboeuf.
Gaston-Superman needs to be a thing

>>90340604
J'OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

>>90342921
I wish Timm didn't hate Superman

>>90340444
First post best post

I don't mind the electricity vulnerability

>>90342992
>Night of the Batmen

Let's not get too carried away now.

>>90342889
Superman's greatest moment was getting depowered and teaming-up with Future Vandal Savage 'cause he gotta get back. Back to the past.

>>90343154
Superman Kal. Kal-Kal-Kal-Kal.

>>90342831
>>90342887
Not the best example. That arc was all about him destroying all the greatest fighters in the galaxy just for fun. Supes was out of the league for anything Mongul could throw at him.

>>90343154
>Superman tames a wolf pack
>tells them to fuck off

That was a badass ep.

>>90343038
mexican superman was a good character

maybe he just hates clark himself

>>90342889
>That episode in which the Joker defeats the flash and wonder woman with a bunch of gadgets

>>90343154
>>90343229
That was what made me a Supes fan.

I fucking love Kal El the barbarian.

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>>90342831
>>90342860
>>90342887
>>90342920

>>90342889
>nobody besides Goku can really amount to anything.

>Piccolo killed raditz
>Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe beat Vegita
>Vegeta beat Dodoria, Zarbon and Jeice.
>Trunks Killed freeza AND King cold
>Vegeta beat Android 19
>Gohan beat Cell.

Goku really loses a lot of battles. Like he'll stay out of the action for a while, come in and kick some ass, before getting his ass whooped and being sent back to the grindstone.

>>90345414
>Piccolo killed the Jobber
>Would have been better without Yajirobe kienzan finish
>Jobber. Jobber. Jobber.
>Because Goku refused to finish the job. Kind of like Sloppy seconds
>Killing a Juggalo doesn't amount to much
>Literally the only pure example
The series should have ended with Cell or kept Gohan as the strongest. Hell, imagine Vegeta training Gohan and him replacing literally every Goku scene. I think I'd have enjoyed the Buu Saga more then.

>>90345414
I think the anon meant the tail end of Z/Super.

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AAAAAAGGGGHH SAVE ME BATMAN

>>90340604
I wonder of J'ohn would look better if he just wore normal human clothes.
Everytime they change his costume it never really works

>>90346714
>Hell, imagine Vegeta training Gohan

kek, why would Gohan have to learn from someone he surpassed at age 12? Vegeta's whole approach to training sucks.

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>>90340604
Don't sweat it, Big Blue!

I'll use my super speed to WOAH-OAH OOF!

>>90346980
Let me rephrase that. Training WITH Gohan
>"All right, boy, training begins now."
"Okay, have you learned to go Ascended Saiyan yet?"
>"Wha-? NO! I am training YOU."
"... Oh."
>"Yes. Let's start with the basics. I am going to teach you the Gallick Gun."
"Why would I need that? I got the Kamehamaha. The attack that killed Cell?"
>"Nrrgrr- fine; The Big Bang attack."
"Did it kill Cell?"
>"GRAH! Okay! The Final Flash!"
"Oh, the attack that DIDN'T kill Cell."
>"RAAAAAAH!"

>>90346714
>>Literally the only pure example
Not even, Goku (and the others) had to join in because Gohan was being a bitch, Gohan is an eternal bitch.

>>90345414
>Goku really loses a lot of battles. Like he'll stay out of the action for a while, come in and kick some ass, before getting his ass whooped and being sent back to the grindstone.

Yes he's the hero and everybody else is the filler or jobbers to show how badass the bad guy of the moment is. Half the bad guys join the scooby comic relief jobber crowd.

>>90346982
this one is the worst

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>>90343038
He doesn't. Just because he depicts him in a certain doesn't mean he hates him. I really wish people would understand this. Oh Snyder hates Superman because he's mopey and never smiles. Timm hates him because he's depowered a bit. Timm also made Batman job to no name grunts all the time in BTAS. Batman actually gets his ass handed to him by most of the villains throughout the show. Did that mean he hate Batman during the show? No.

>>90349216
Something commonly cited (though I can't verify) is that Superman: The Animated Series was more of an obligation compared to Batman, partly because neither Paul Dini nor Bruce Timm (at the time) caredaboutt the character that much. Still, that doesn't mean they hate the character nor that they depowered him out of spite.

>>90349467
S:TAS is great, but Superman is generally useless in JL.

Way too much Batwank.

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>>90346982
I'll handle this one flash.

>*proceeds to create a giant fist that immediately gets shattered*

>>90350457
>Way too much Batwank.
Like what? Telling people off isn't Batwank.

>>90342682
Why would someone lie to anonymous strangers about having a girlfriend?

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Is she the only JL member other than Bats that doesnt job on a regular basis?

>>90350922

>Batman dodges Darkseid's Omega Beams

"No one has ever done that before" said Darkseid, in an episode where the Flash is just an edit away.

>>90351108
She jobbed to Batman's dick all the time.

>>90351108
Christ she's still so hot. One of my first capeshit faps.

>>90347167
Wasn't part of the reason Gohan won at the End was Vegeta quietly cheapshotting Perfect Cell while he and Gohan were doing that Kamehameha Tug of War?

>>90342921
It was Darkseid cyborg'd with Brainiac's technology.

>>90351192
Yep a lot of people forget about that

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I loved how in the final episode when the Justice League were fighting all over the fucking world you had Question steal a car then run over an alien with it

>>90342921
>remember when superman gave darkseid the world of cardboard speech and punted him through skyscrapers and shit
>and then darkseid just got up and dusted himself off and beat superman with a single button press

Shit writing as comics copied yet another movie or TV show then pissed it all away.

That's the kind of thing you use in the ultimate win over the bad guy, not to jobber it but shit writing is as shit writing does; they can't even copy shit and use it correctly.

>>90351903
And then Batman almost managed to restrain Darkseid.

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>>90346885
Really, now?

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>>90351146

she wishes she was that lucky on the show.

batman seemed to always be allergic to wonder pussy.

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>>90346777
Nice trips

>>90351108
Oh, Wonder Woman jobs too, but in a far more insidious way.

All these other JL members may sometimes job in fights, but they make up for it by being great, engaging characters. Clark, J'onn, Wally, and John all have at least one or two episodes each in JL where they really shine, episodes where their personalities come out in moments of great storytelling.

Wonder Woman has fuck-all in that department. Worse than hating her, Dini and McDuffie and the rest flat out don't know how to write her. Her only real emotion is anger, so she seems like she's constantly PMSing. Her lasso of truth doesn't even work, she just uses it as a lariat.

Wondy jobs on a storytelling level. The worst level of all.

>>90342627
Confirmed for pleb, never watching Superman tAS or the "making of" Superman tAS. They give a pretty simple fucking explication. Leave it to some faggot like you to use it as a reason to shit on Batman.

>>90351116
That's one thing. What else? Wonder Woman also hel[ Superman save a firetruck. Is that WonderWank? People claim there's so much Batwank but really I don't see how it's different than it is for other the characters.

Never finished this show

Did Bruce ever admit his feelings for Diane or was that never addressed?

>>90340419
>>90340604

Jobber League/Jobber League Unlimited?

>>90352296
Maybe he didn't want to cheat on Barbara.

>>90346777
It looks like he's about to Jizz to her.

When you think about it, Hawkgirl didn't really job that often, she did her job, smack shit with the mace.

>>90342627
They didn't do it expressly to make Batman look better, they did it because they thought Superman was overpowered otherwise. Which is to say they're still hacks, but they weren't motivated by blind fanboyism.

>>90352296
>"Mmm, you're cuuute. And issues? I likey."

"BAD TOUCH. BAD TOUUUCH."

"I'm gonna go fester in my room for a few hours now, cause my parents are DEAD!:"
>"The only boy who doesn't wanna get under my leotard... and I had to like him. Why don't I just force myself on him? No, that'd be rape and that's a stupid way to convey romance."

I was never bothered by the jobbing, not one bit

>>90353577

What about that episode where they all got fucked in their dreams?

I'm only a few epis odes into Justice League but I don't really see the batwank. It actually kind off seems like he's always lagging behind. Like when they attack the imperium base thing and the team jumps up to a higher area of it it takes Bats like 5 extra seconds for him to get up there because he has to get his grapple gun out and everything.

Does the Batwank really get that serious latter on?

>>90353577
It helps that, while Superman jobbed a lot in fights, the shows generally had a lot of respect for him as a character.

Fuck, the entire Cadmus arc is about him being pushed to the limits of his moral code, and eventually triumphing over the temptations of fascism and nihilism.

>>90353664
It really is a gradual creep. I can't give you a specific episode where it happens, but it culminates in Epilogue and Batman dodging Darkseid's Omega Beams.

>>90346885
well going off of New Frontier, J'onn does look pretty snazzy in a suit

>>90352296
Wonderloli is god's gift to mankind

>>90353808
>Epilogue
Its really better to forget that episode, despite the heartfelt Ace moment. Last JLU episode was fine as is. And at least when the Omega Beam thing happened, it at least passable given how he just barely escaped the blast and something did die for it to work

>>90352290
This is a fucking great costume. It's such a shame it's a villain outfit.

>>90346777
>>90340419
Her VA was so annoying, fucking Cyndi Lauper soundalike

>>90349467
it's more that they initially didn't care about Superman, they came to like him better as they developed the show

>>90351192
>>90351261
that was anime only I believe

>>90352905
probably because outside of flight she wasn't all that much stronger than Bruce, so they didn't need to really nerf her all that much(only really did so in regards to how OP Nth Metal is in the comics, whereas in the DCAU it only really comes up in regards to her mace)

>>90353924
they have used similar costumes quite often in the comics over the last decade

>>90353924
>aliens
>anything but villains

>>90353808
>>90353913
What was so batwanky about epilogue?

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>>90340419
>>90342921
>>90342960
>>90349216

Remember how shortly after the events of the JLU finale Superman was taken control of by a starfish and left as a prisoner in his own body for decades until Terry saved him?

>>90354046
>Waller decides instead of cloning any other JLU member to be worlds savior that she should make a new Batman because he is the most important one

>>90354123
>implying she's wrong

>>90354046
Making Terry Bruce's son is bullshit. It makes it seem like there is something special about Bruce's DNA that makes him Batman when it was his life and experiences that made him Batman.

It's like the writers thought that only someone related to Bruce could ever be Batman. It just ruins the whole message of Batman Beyond which was that anyone with the will to fight crime could take on the role of Batman.

>>90354093
>Superman was robbed of the years he spent with Lois

>>90354025
Superman is an alien.

>>90354025
Superman is an alien too.

>>90354170
>>90354186
>superman
>hero

>>90352458
There's no point in developing Diana when she's absolute fap-fuel.
Giantess fetish when she puts Atom in her cleavage? Check.
Tentacle fetish when she fights off the Black Mercy? Check.
Loli fetish when she gets age-regressed? Check.
Domination fetish when she starts fucking up civilians on her day off? Check.
Whore when she has to steal the magic rock back from Hugh Hefner? Check.
Whore 2: Electric Boogaloo when TV personalities say she dresses like a skank and she gets mad? Check.

The most erotic fight scene in children's animation when she's mind controlled and takes on Hawkgirl, Huntress, Black Canary, and whoever the black chick with the huge tits was? Check.

>>90354148
While still pants on head retarded of a decision, you could argue that it still plays in favor or Terry's character. Despite Waller's best efforts, trying to duplicate Batman both genetically and psychologically, Terry was still his own Batman and did things his way. Moreover, Terry had a chance not to make the same mistakes Bruce did, mainly alienating the ones he cared about. At least thats the silver lining I got from it

>>90354205
In my point of view it is superman that is evil

>>90354093
honestly as much as I like Batman Beyond, as the years go by my preference has been more and more to pretend it and the wider DCAU aren't connected, cause all Batman Beyond serves to do being part of the DCAU is to crap on almost everything that happened in it, either directly in the show, or in later materials as writers tried to explain any apparent discrepancies between Beyond and DCAU material made after it

>>90354205
Go to bed, Lex.

>>90354215
You forgot Roulette's fight club with brainwashing heroines

Bruce Timm Guide To The DC Universe

>write moment meant for Superman
>make Batman do it instead

>>90354232
To be far Batman beyond started airing long before Justice league.

>>90354148
You were spared.
“[In the Batman Beyond DTV], instead of Waller, Selina Kyle herself was going to be the one who cloned Batman. Staying much closer to the ‘Boys from Brazil’ set-up, Selina hedged her bets and created lots of Bruce Wayne clones, and systematically murdered their parents when they reached the proper age. Most of them didn’t become manic-depressive crime-fighters, only Terry and one other—a young boy she adopted and raised as her own son. There was going to be a creepy ‘Manchurian Candidate’ aspect to their relationship, with the aging (but still disturbingly kinda sexy) Selina coaxing the kid into becoming an über-messed-up avenger of evil.

“Selina’s ‘son’ was going to be the main bad guy ‘muscle’ of the story—a twisted version of Terry / Bruce, with his own ‘dark superhero’ outfit and everything. The plan was for him to be bumping off criminals from the Batman Beyond Rogues Gallery, and possibly even an old-timer like Edward Nygma, thus setting the plot in motion (this part was always a bit too ‘Phantasm’ for me, but I did like the ‘Manchurian Candidate’-ness of him).

“This version of Selina had, at some point in the past, ‘seen the light,’ after years of Batman nagging her to use her talents to help people instead of just helping herself. She eventually realized he was right, but with ‘born again’ zeal, decided Batman himself didn’t go far enough in punishing criminals; she needed a Batman who would help her eliminate criminals (i.e. kill them dead) and set about creating one. These were going to be ‘true’ Bruce Wayne clones, not nano-engineered ‘sons’; in fact, that had a whole lot of problems built into it, which we would have had to figure out if we’d ever gotten a greenlight."
http://jl.toonzone.net/episode50/episode50.htm

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>>90340419
Superman needing a fucking spacesuit is nothing short of retarded.

>>90354217
Basically yes, that was the point. See the third/fourth to last point here:
http://jl.toonzone.net/episode50/episode50.htm

>>90354240
>came from a self destructive species
>forces his view on right on wrong on us even though he's not human
>wears a regal red cape to signify that he rules all that is below him

Is DCAU Superman actually the weakest version of the character?

Seems like he was severely underpowered to give him more challenges and let other leaguers do shit , even in STAS he was pretty weak though compared to other media

>>90354276
Holy shit that sounds awful. What actually happened sounds Shakespearian compared to this fan fiction tier garbage.

>>90354316
>is smart enough, affluent enough, and resourceful enough to end every single one of humanity's problems
>would rather try to kill some goon who stops avalanches as a hobby

Buh-bye, Lex

>>90354282
Him not needing one is worse, because it begs the question of why the galaxy isn't full of Kryptonians flying from solar system to solar system under their own power.

>>90354335
nope that title belongs to the teeanger superman kids show

>>90354339
>"TERRY WAS BRUCE'S BIO-SON ALL ALONG"
>"BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT WAS TERRY'S FORTITUDE THAT ALLOWED HIM TO BECOME BATMAN AND NOT HIS GENETICS"

Maybe these dudes were just winging it.

>>90354364
>not wanting to destroy something that could potentially go rouge and destroy us as easily as a human crushes an ant

>>90354140
Well yeah, but Batman is all skill. If someone is raised with the right motivation to hone the correct skills, develop the drive and work ethic necessary to see it though, they could become another Batman.
Imagine cloning a Superman and bringing them up and training them in all the Batman disciplines. Why just clone a human when you can shape your Superman clone however you want?

>>90354335
Fleischer's Superman is probably the weakest, but that was before they started giving him every superpower they could think of during the Golden Age. After that I do believe DCAU Superman is the weakest.

>>90354406
maybe because you can easily control a human than a kryptonian if he goes against you

>>90354402
>continues to make plans to kill this godlike being even after this godlike being has exiled themselves into deep space

>>90354406
That's what they tried with Supergirl, and the end result was that Galatea went rogue in an attempt to prove she was more than just a science experiment. Although it's just happenstance that the argument works in Timm and Dini's favor, it could be said that CADMUS didn't want to clone another super-powered being in case it developed free will like she did.

>>90354437
Kryptonite . . . red sun . . .

>>90354371
Krypton was explicitly against space exploration to better focus their time and efforts towards bettering their own society.
Plus they'd have to be somewhere other than Krypton, where they are saturated by the red sun Rao. Superman is literally the first Kryptonian to have these abilities, and it took the death of the entire species to set up the circumstances that lead to those abilities.

>>90354477
remember that supergirl clone?

>>90354507
Yeah.

Guess they dropped the ball.

>>90354447
>exiled into space
>believing kryptonian lies

>>90354477
>>90354507
Magic works on them too, and Cadmus had a mage on staff

STAS is my personal definitive Superman. Probably my favorite incarnations of Lex and Brainiac too

>>90354526
>have a Kryptonian right in your officw
>have a kryptonite ring
>Kryptonian is already being affected by kryptonite
>literally all you have to do is stand there long enough and the kryptonian is DEAD
>decide to spare him so you can lord the kryptonite ring over him for the rest of his life, rather than wiping out this threat to humanity right off the bat

nice work my bald friend

As a teen, I wanted to fuck Livewire so much.

I got confused by the cartoon series, Did supermans planet just die off naturally or was is braniacs doing because i remember superman blaming braniac or braniac taking credit for destroying krypton

>>90354596
>wear ring so long you get cancer AND blood poisoning
>your arch-nemesis gets you to your medical center in time so you can live
>has the audacity to offer help to keep you alive
>still doesn't kill you after you fuse with a machine god and cause his second-favorite teammate to vibrate out of existence
WHY IS SUPERMAN SUCH A FUCKING ASSHOLE in my universe!

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>>90354437
>>90354437

Val Zod was alright, and there were no issues in "controlling" him until he was busted out by a bunch of people he didn't know. Imagine instead of having him goof off in a bunker, they shaped him into another Batman? Then released him out into the world, and his first day out he discovers he also has all these amazing powers.

>>90354638
>wanting to fuck anyone other than shayera
BIRD CLOACA

>>90354648
All Brainiac did was neglect to inform the Kryptonians of their impending doom. He concluded that his own existence was worth more given his extensive record of Krypton, and he couldnt save them if he wanted to.

>>90354648
Brainiac was a computer that ran everything on Krypton and told the council that Krypton was in no danger when Jor-El tried to get them to believe the planet would explode, all while preparing its own escape to avoid destruction. It was within its capacity to save the majority of Kryptonians, and it chose not to because it believes scarcity of information increases its value.

>>90354654
what episode was that?

>>90354232
Beyond is the only believable ending for the characters.

>>90354675
>Wanting to fuck a filthy traitor
Shayera only deserves some rope

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It's not just Justice League that has Batwank.

Just take a look at pic related.

>>90354688
>"But why kill?"
>"The fewer beings who have the knowledge, the more precious it becomes."
>an alien machine
>finding anything precious

they just fuckin winged EVERYTHING

>>90354708
For Bruce, at least, it is.

It ultimately balances out all the Batwank, I feel. Bruce winds up pretty pathetic, and Terry coming into his life doesn't totally change that.

>>90354398
I don't get why they were so set on Terry being Bruce's son, then saying it didn't matter if he was because he was his own man. Why not leave him as he was? Epilogue just undermined the entire theme of Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. Joker spends the entire movie mocking Terry for not being a legitmate Batman. Then Terry comes into his own and mindrapes the Joker by being himself. Why make him Bruce's biological son? Why just why?

>>90354721
the traitor part only makes my dick harder

>>90354701
It's Earth-2, bro. Superman is all dead and shit there.

>>90354402
>>not wanting to destroy something that could potentially go rouge

Whatever fucking makeup they decide to use is their business, not yours.

>>90354757
Because a series of individuals had multiple simultaneous lapses in judgment.
It's sad, but it happens.
It's still shitty shit, though.

>>90354757
Because they didn't want to create Damian, so they had to find a new way for Bruce to continue his progeny.

>>90354800
That is dumb and preposterous.
And FUCKING GAY

Its weird that Static Shock and that show about the robot no one watched are also in the DCAU

Static stuff never comes up outside of the crossover episodes. Figured he should be in JLU more, and that CADMUS would have an interest in the Bang Baby stuff since its exactly what they needed to help fight the JL

>>90340419

This version of Superman was really weak wasn't he?

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>wanting to fuck anything other than magicpussy
wonderloli gets a free pass

>>90354738
His logic was sound, whats the problem? Also Brainiac himself kept evolving over the series, even personality wise

>>90354836
I liked static though except for the retarded bullying episode

>>90354800
I was hoping that a dejected Damian who'd been raised by Talia and Ra's would come back and fight Terry as Owlman out of spite for not getting Bruce's attention while growing up and believing the Bat Mantle is his alone.

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Huntress and The Question were the best couple in the JLU series.
Although I am still not sure why the Justice League brought in The Question to begin with. Were they really looking for a guy to use their resources to go search for Baskin Robins' secret 32nd flavor?

>>90354836
Well he was in those future episodes with Cronos. Cant say the same about Zeta Project. But dont fret anon, both are getting another dvd release soon

>>90354870
Explain to me what the logic in that is.
Walk me through it.

>>90354906
Supposedly it was Batman's idea, because of course it was.

>>90351192
Yeah. Big Bang Attack saved the goddamn day. Shame he doesn't use it anymore.

>>90354889
>not liking the Richie getting shot episode
but thats the best one

Richies dad being /pol/ is a good episode too

>>90354906
>not wanting a faceless alex jones in your party

>>90354906
Batman convinced everyone that only Question had the ability to uncover every single tie-in and network that could connect CADMUS to everything. He's the "hacker on steroids" Fox News warned everyone about. In the DCAU he uncovered the secrets of the Clinton Foundation, the Skull & Bones Society, PizzaGate, the Illuminati, the true purpose of aglets, and why Girl Scouting programs are literally Hitler.

>>90354915
It's the same logic that prevented Riddler from blabbing about Batman's true identity, because the knowledge has less value the more people know it. It's a combination of an ego-trip and unwarranted genius. Don't look at it too carefully.

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>>90345336

People seem to forget that Giganta 1v1'd Superman in their first encounter and she beat him. Shame that every other encounter after she jobs to everyone just like her comic counterpart.

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>>90354983
>mfw the Question probably posts on the DCAU version of /pol/

>>90353618
You don't wanna get fucked in your dreams?

>>90355020

This isn't a psycho obsessed with leaving clues, it's an alien robot

>>90354924
I could see that. Batman would see some value in a guy who is also a non-powered detective who specializes in meticulously studying all the crap that Batman dismisses as being too retarded for him to waste time on. Kind of like covering Batman's logic blindspot, just in case one of the retarded theories actually has some sort of legitimacy behind it.
Plus The Question likes to work alone, so if he croaks then it's no big loss to the team.

>>90354915
What good is a riddle everyone knows the answer to anon? By destroying the information after its been collected, Brainiac has an advantage over everyone else because only he knows it.

>>90355072
That makes zero sense.

>>90354747
But Superman gets fucked hard. That really annoyed me.

>>90355097
"I want to know more about Krypton."
>I'm the only resource on anything about Krypton, so you will have to do whatever I ask for me to tell you about Krypton.

How about now?

>>90355137
What does Brainiac want?

>>90355097
You're retarded
>Alien race discovers the secret of how to transform matter into other forms of matter
>Theyre the only ones who solve this
>Brainiac comes along, kills them, and assimilates the knowledge
>Brainiac is the only being able to do this now
Knowledge is power, and by robbing knowledge from other beings is what makes him such a threat

>>90355137
>[Fortress of Solitude Computer]: You lying fucker, quit frontin like your all that. Nigga I'm all Krypton's history, you just jelly.

>>90355159
'bout tree-fiddy

>>90355159
Omniscience, to know everything there is to know in the known universe. He well destroy everything there is and know all there was, that is his programming. After that, he kind of just floats in nothing

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>>90354093
And Bruce became a forgotten old loser that everyone hates.

>>90355218
That computer doesn't exist in the DCAU, though. Superman has hardly any, IF any, Kryptonian technology in that universe. All the Fortress of Solitude really is there is a giant zoo for other near-extinct species like himself.

>>90355218
The DCAU Fortress computer was made from stolen Brainiac tech by the way

>>90355202
Well, he shoulda said that, then.

>>90355257
Fuck, I just keep forgetting how overall lame DCAU's Superman is.

>>90354251
List some ?

>>90355273
He did

>>90355247
Barbara said she doesn't hate him, she just hates that he wasted his life on being Batman. Tim hated Bruce because he never visited him after the Joker incident and just pushed everyone away. Dick got pissed off at Bruce for treating him like a child and always correcting every little thing he did, even after becoming Nightwing, so he felt like he couldn't develop on his own. And in Terry's thought-process he would get pissed off at Bruce because he viewed Terry as just a knock-off replacement Batman instead of an actual person.

Kind of fitting, actually. Batman couldn't fix anyone's mental problems, not even his own, so all he can do is look at old photos of girls he threw at the wayside because the job was more important than life.

>>90355335
He said all that shit about, like, preciousness or whatever

>>90354836
I still think they should have had Rubberband Man show up as a member of the League

>>90355385
Hes no Plastic Man anon
>>90355363
retard

>>90354800
>Ra al Ghul possessing Talias body rapes Batman and impregnates himself using his daughters body

>>90355438
Ra's taking over Talia's body was horseshit, she was the only person he genuinely cared about above the planet itself, and the DCAU shit on that relationship. Granted, I love his voice and presence, but they really shit the bed with that.

>>90355257
He did acquire some by the Black Mercy episode, since wonder woman finds that plasma cannon/some equally sci-fi shit.

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>>90355247
>Bruce dies
>Wally West's grandson comes into Gotham after the funeral, cleans up crime in the city in 24 minutes (he takes a break for some Gotham dogs and a soda midway).

>>90355320
Not that guy, but "Perchance to Dream" has been pointed out to be strikingly similar to "For the Man who has everything".

The biggest jobber in the DCAU was Orion.

Think of how much of a jobber Superman was and then remember that Orion had to job to make HIM look good.

>>90355522
>For the Man who has everything
I hated how they had to ruin that with more batwank.

>Clark spends whole episode trying to accept and fight off the delusion
>Batman does it in seconds

>>90350899
>giant fist

Sorry, John only makes bubbles and beams.

>>90351339
I like how in that sequence, all the characters showcased were created by Steve Ditko.

>>90355050
She beat him twice actually.

Imagine Fleischer Superman, only every time he shows up he gets his ass kicked, and that's basically DCAU Superman.

Supes was a jobber in the DCAU.

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Gods and Monsters Superman being the best character felt like an apology from Timm for how lame JLU Superman turned out.

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>>90354638

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>>90355701
You know, it's "stylish" to make elaborate constructs and all, but in the end you are simply converting willpower + Green energy to direct X amount of force in a direction, or constraining someone.

Sure you could make a mini-gun, but it isn't propelling spent uranium with the explosive force of custom blended gunpower or anything.
It's just pew-pewing green energy at the force of your willpower at shit.

Everything that isn't just beams and bubbles is just razzamatazz.

>>90355677
It's based off the comic and they were running out of time. Should they not included the Batman part? Seems kinda strange to do since in was in the comic too.

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I love DCAU Superman, honestly. He may have been weak physically, but he had a lot of heart. There was a warmth and joviality to him that was really delightful.

>>90355817
How did that movie turn out, anyway?

>>90355911
Yes, don't include the batman part, because it comes right after Supes' big moment.

>>90355902
>but it isn't propelling spent uranium with the explosive force of custom blended gunpower or anything.
>It's just pew-pewing green energy at the force of your willpower at shit.

There's no reason it can't be. It's just that most GLs are too stupid to read the manual. Which is why Kyle is the best.

>>90354909
Wait, what? Is The Zeta Project season 2 finally coming out on DVD?

>>90356034
Not really an adaptation then is it.

>>90356079
Yes it is.

Superman has to accept that his dream can never be, having spent the whole episode being rendered utterly helpless.

Having Bruce one up him at the last second is needless.

>>90355881
it's fucking shit

I hated justice leagues and animated superman, he was too happy

>>90356056
>There's no reason it can't be. It's just that most GLs are too stupid to read the manual. Which is why Kyle is the best.
He wasn't even the best earth lantern. Guy Gardiner is the best.

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>>90355948
I like him too. It just Superfags playing the victim again. I'm mean I love Billy and You don't hear me bitch and moan every time DC makes him a jobber.

>>90356011
It has the same style as JLU, so it makes you feel comfy
It made me want more of this alternate universe stuff

>>90355512
Wally West's grandson is an idiot NSA agent that hunts a pacifist robot.

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>>90356106
>Batman one upped him
> the only reason it came off is because WW ripped it off
I don't see how that is Batman one upping Superman at all. Did Batman one up him before in the comic when Robin got it off him?

>>90356077
IIRC Static season 1 and the complete Zeta Project are getting MOD DVDs by the end of March

>>90356206
And yet WW couldn't rip it off Superman?

Is JL Action Superman a jobber?

>>90356249
Just double checked. Yep, she doesn't even get to try because she's fighting Mongul. Also Superman breaks out of it himself. Batman has help from Wonder Woman. Again, it doesn't look like Batwank to me at all.

>>90356462
Everyone is a jobber in Justice League Action.

>>90356494
Like LITERALLY everyone? Cause that sounds hilarious and makes me want to watch it.

>>90354924
The Question is like the anti-Batman. Rather than going immediately to the most obvious or logical answer and building his argument on the evidence that's been presented before him, he goes to the most inane and outlandish answers and compiles all the evidence he can find until it actually makes sense.

Batman brought the Question in because he'd be able to investigate CADMUS from an entirely different. Batman may have been a detective, but the Question was the conspiracy theorist. And conspiracy was CADMUS all over.

>>90356545
The series is fun as hell. The action is fun ,its animation is simple but effective, and unlike TTG it'w actually funny.

You can just feel how the writers actually understand the characters unlike the TTG writers.

>>90355055
He browses /pol/ and /x/. He doesn't participate in any of the racist shitposting because he knows better than to be so small-minded and quick to jump to the conclusions THEY want you to.

Jews? Preposterous. They're barely even a cog in the grand machine.

>>90346777
I ship it.

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>>90346777
Huh, that kinda reminds me of something...

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>>90355902
Wouldn't constructing some giant ass scissors make the energy better for cutting shit though? I swear that happened at some point

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>>90356664
>This Bognadov character though, they might be onto something with this one. I'll have to check their sources but...
>oh good god...right again...

>>90357180
>question then proceeds to merge with braniac in order for him to have a rundown on this bognadov character

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>>90357328
Psh, Brainiac is beneath The Question. Why would he bother?

>>90357168
You can literally make a beam of energy as thin as a ray of light, so no, making a big pair of scissors should mean nothing at all.

Logically, GLs should be able to do Iron Man's trick from the end of Iron Man 2 whenever they like.

Does a red sun simply not give superman strength?
Or does it sap him of strength?

>>90346885
he wears a disguise to look like human guys, but he's not a man, he's an alium!

>>90355657
Orion jobbed to the fucking Rogues.

>>90342627
It makes sense, the lightning can't burn his flesh but it'll still hurt and make him convulse, sense scientifically no organic creature can naturally be completely immune to electricity.

>>90348515
kinda. i mean, has vegeta beaten anyone?
no, just minions
same with everyone else

goku beats EVERYONE
the only big guys that job are vegeta and piccolo. sure tien or krillian will help, but they can't do much beyond being slight help. like having a child stand in front of an oncoming train, it slowed it down JUUUUUUST a little before goku shows up to win all fights ever

save for the Black arc, it was shit, but it was nice to see goku and crew retreat like twice because they were overpowered and fighting a true immortal

shouldn't have been able to win either, but story reasons and such

>>90357642
>has vegeta beaten anyone?
Guldo. He also kicked Goku's ass and didn't leave until Gohan fucked him up.

>>90357465
Red sun leaves him a normal person.

>>90354205
>>90354025
See, this man understands

Purge the Xeno and the Heretic!

>>90357881
Oh hi Godfrey.

>>90357370
If making the energy into scissors helps them believe in its cutting power, scissors are better.

And like it or not, most people work better with symbols like that.

It'd be interesting to see an alien/robot/mentally damaged person just use raw light, though.

>>90354736
That was fun batwank, though.

>>90354800
>Terry or Damien
Terry. Gg, you convinced me they made the right choice. I hate you.

>>90355881
Woof

>>90356011
It was good. Not the best straight to dvd DC animated film, but definitely one of. The alt verse League is nice, they do a lot of amoral things; but aren't directly shit starters. Honestly, having a anti-hero league was a good decision.

>>90356482
This. The moment two super powered heros are in the fight; THEN one of them can try and rip off the evil flower.

>>90357010
Got anymore?

>>90357726
immediately or over time?

>>90343154
Superman.WHACHAA

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>>90355948
He got real bitter and pissy by JLU.

>>90355677
Doesn't someone just pull it off him? He doesn't mentally triumph, he just submits to it then has the delusion broken by the real memory

>>90358224
>Not the best straight to dvd DC animated film, but definitely one of.
It's at least better than anything they've made since

>>90342921
The speech is epic, but two punches didn't feel like "cutting loose". A fight more like the one in Mongul in For the Man Who Has Everything would have felt more appropriate, even if Darkseid still manages to extract himself from it.

>>90349216
Batman jobbed less and less in BTAS as time went on and things transitioned more to Timm's style

>>90352296
My only real problem with WonderXBatman thing was that it had no payoff one way or the other. It was just there, but it never went anywhere beyond the occasional tease. Either get them together or definitively break it off (and not just in an implied way with the whole "same universe as Batman Beyond, therefore he ends up alone" thing).

>>90354282
I thought it was established that the only reason they did that was because executives wanted to sell toys of him wearing it.

>>90354282
Not worse than him needing a respiration system for breathing under water.

>>90349216
>Batman job to no name grunts all the time in BTAS. Batman actually gets his ass handed to him by most of the villains throughout the show
This is why I liked the AS Batman the the JLA and the dick measuring contest.

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>>90354862
I see I'm not the only one.

>>90355902
It a mind trick to use their imagination to apply more willpower. Theoretically two spheres should collide with the same amount of force, but if you give one a chain and swing it, it becomes a wrecking ball, which will hit harder because your mind automatically believes that a wrecking ball is going to hit hard.

>>90358303
Not immediately, but rather rapidly in the DCAU. When a red sun energy field is put over Metropolis, it takes the course of a day for Superman to lose all of his powers. When he gets captured by the Justice Lords, he's unable to break out of imprisonment because they put red sun radiation in his containment cell, and he'd hardly been unconscious for a day.

>>90354862
>>90359820
Calm down, Paul Dini.

>>90359182
Diana kept trying to get somewhere, but Bruce shot her down with, "Face it, you're a princess from a race of magical warriors, and I'm just a rich kid in a costume with issues. LOTS of issues."

>>90359710
Reminder that nearly all of his rogue's gallery had him on the precipice of death back in TAS, but in Justice League he's able to go toe-to-toe with demi-gods. Some may attribute it to him becoming more skillful as time passes, but that's hardly a valid excuse for him being around to fight Luthor/Brainiac.

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>>90355902

I don't know why but I read the whole thing in his voice

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>>90358249
http://i.imgur.com/jl9on7l.gif

>>90345414
>Gohan beat Cell

Goku was stronger than Cell at the time actually but Goku was retarded and wanted Gohan to unleash his potential and beat Cell but Gohan didn't want to so Cell ends up going Allah Akbur and Goku gets himself killed. Again. All because he wanted to see how strong his son was instead of addressing a world ending threat

>>90356056
Has there ever been ANY evidence that power rings can make actual various forms of matter that isn't just green energy?

>>90362801
Think the artist might do something based on this?
>>90356912

>>90364181
>Goku was stronger than Cell at the time
Nigga what?
He was saying he was weaker since he left the RoSaT.

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JLU Superman wasn't THAT much of a jobber. He beats Darkseid, Doomsday, Mongul, Captain Marvel, and Captain Atom in fair fights.

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>>90354282
I kinda like that design though.

>>90365392
I love you for calling the RoSaT by its proper name and not the retarded one given to it by the dub

And no anon, It was clear that Goku was better than Cell at that point but intentionally jobbed because he wanted Gohan to be "go beyond"

>>90353999

The scene with Vegeta distracting Cell happened in the manga. The other characters trying to distract Cell beforehand was added in the anime.

>>90366089
But Anon, Superman gets hit a lot of times. If Superman doesn't do everything and has problems then he's jobbing.

>>90340419
Reminder that DCAU Static could take out the whole DCAU League.

>>90342920
>>90342860
These two are legit. Darkseid is really fucking powerful and Captain Marvel is powered by magic.

>>90362364
>Diana kept trying to get somewhere, but Bruce shot her down with, "Face it, you're a princess from a race of magical warriors, and I'm just a rich kid in a costume with issues. LOTS of issues."

you would think she would just rape bruce after getting tired of being blown off so many times.

an amazon princess getting turned down by a mortal is not a good look.

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>>90340604
Every time

>>90349216
Timm barely even wrote for any of the series.

Something to keep in mind is that at the time no one outside of comic fans really knew anything about the Justice League. Most people you asked would think it's stupid for Batman to be on the League, and also think Superman was an "overpowered" character.

The writers were very aware of this and it was the primary reason Superman was powered down so much for his show and even more for JLU.

Also Batwank as we know it was not really a thing until Morrison's JLA. Even at the height of Batman's popularity back then, people thought it was stupid for Batman to be on the League, and felt he should only tackle street crime and be an "urban legend" instead of a public hero.

JLA was where Morrison justified Batman's inclusion for a lot of people, and the JL cartoon writers wanted to do the same thing for non-comics fans.

And thus you have Batgod and Superman being taken out of the fight all the time in the show.

>>90370370
The defender of truth and love is not really the raping type.

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>>90356462
No. And JLA is awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P9XB-bol4U

>>90356056
>muh torchbearer
Kyle is objectively the worst and nearly killed the property. No number of Gundam and Sailor Moon references can change that.

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>>90357368
>You're the Question
>Am I?

>>90354282
Maybe he just doesn't know if he can survive the vacuum of space and is taking no chances

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>>90340419

Dont worry, Ill summon my Xmen to help you an-NYYYAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>90340604
>>90371693
Xavier and Manhunter have a mind battle, who wins?

>>90371854
The one who yells the loudest

>>90371854
no one, it's just one big "AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"

>>90359038
Not for no reason, though. Jesus, I'd have punted Amanda Waller and Luthor into space by the end of JL.

>>90371693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K956y2om92I

>>90351108

>Batman says he can't date her because then his enemies would go after her.
>None of his enemies could do jack to her anyway.

Joker at least has kyptonite and scheming to do something to Supes, what could he do to her?

>>90354093

I thought it was only for a few weeks?

>>90353995
Lori Pettys great man

>>90370370
The fuck she look like, a girl with a holier than thou outlook about to be crippled?

>>90359068
True. New 52 a shit.

>>90362364

Luthor is smarter then him in all areas aside from strategy/stealth/combat but those 3 areas are to Batman's advantage in a fight. Batman going up against Luthor isn't that surprising.

>>90372653
Luthor, no, it's not surprising. He got his ass handed to him when Braniac revealed himself and almost died by getting thrown out a window that had slick walls that his grapple couldn't hook on to.

>>90370908
Yet he gets all the blame?

>>90373101

He and Dini are the only people with their names attached to the DCAU to any notable degree. Few people know the names of anyone else involved.

>>90373205

Not counting voice actors obviously.

>>90354288
Man I really enjoyed reading that, something to think about but holy shit does black background white text hurt to read

>>90355438
>you will never be fucked hard and forcefully by a super slimfit assassian woman with her dad's voice
why even live t-b-h

>>90357611
Scientifically no organism could fly withouy some kind of wings
Or shoot lazers from their eyes

>>90355385

Lost his powers in the last episode.

Static, Gear, Ebon/Hotstreak were the last ones with powers.

>Except the Hoop Squad lmao

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>>90353859

>>90359680

I mean, why would Superman be able to breathe underwater

I can get behind him holding his breath for like a week or something though

>>90371854
I do, because it would be hilarious.

>>90371119
What if it's true that she loves to rape?

>>90371854
They both somehow lose to each other

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>>90340604
I loved how Justice League Action used his jobbing powers to save the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZehsDkjuqmE

Didn't Parasite die or something?
Like, Killer Frost?
I miss him.

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>>90364491
[Spoiler] http://i.imgur.com/QYsivYs.png [Spoiler]

>>90340419

Why doesn't Superman get with Livewire? There aren't enough "nice guy, bad girl" pairings in pop culture.

>>90375514

>Afraid to face him in combat.
>Kills him easily in Injustice.

>>90376002
>Injustice
>Mattering

>>90375967
He's a married man. Altough their team dynamic could be interesting

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>>90372024
The Cadmus arc is actually a perfect execution of the "Luthor plots to ruin Superman's reputation" plot, in a way that makes Luthor actually intimidating, and doesn't actually make Superman wholly unsympathetic to the viewers.

As opposed to, well, you know.

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>>90342789
but Batman gets tied and beat up all the time in his stories

>>90372076
I thought it was because if it didn't work out between them remaining partners in the JL would be awkward

>>90376059
I do recall one of the last arcs of Superman (before Flashpoint/New 52) ended with Livewire turning over a new leaf or at least trying to with Supes' help, it was awkward but endearing

>>90375866
Thanks.

>>90352486
Never brought up again. He had a fling with babs though

And Terry's his biological son through DNA hax

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>>90354638
I wanted to fuck like 90% of the DCAU girls

Fuck I still want to fuck them all

>>90351108
I thought hawkgirl's power was 'not jobbing', which was why Amazo was so powerful when he copied her powers.

>>90354240
Lex was right and was more protagonistic than Supes

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>>90351108
>>90351165

>>90380400

Not flawless anon but appreciated.

>>90352462
Confirmed for pleb who doesn't know about Superman's bioelectric field.

>>90353367
That' why they depowered everyone. To make Batman look better. And not just heroes, villains too. If the heroes are "overpowered," why also weaken villains?

>>90357611
Since when do Superman's powers care about real world science?

>>90375866
I wonder if licking Livewire's butthole is like licking a battery?

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>>90364491
>>90375866
http://i.imgur.com/9XBxvif.png

>>90383007
>>90375866
Supes strikes me as a man who reciprocates.

>>90383007

Nice.

>>90383007
>dat vixen
Are you really going to flaunt that goodness, and not draw her getting some action?

>>90340419
>>90340604
WHY WERE THEY SO WEAK?

>>90354282
Spacesuit, yes.
Facemask, fine. It's just so that he can talk to the others.

>>90385475
because the world is made of cardboard.

>>90354247
Read the whole post again, buddy

>>90368579
>It was clear that Goku was better than Cell at that point but intentionally jobbed because he wanted Gohan to be "go beyond"

Except that Cell wasn't even fighting Goku at full power either

>>90366089
It's True, Supes is a OG Brawler compared to those bums (No offense to Shazam & Capt. Atom)

>>90370329
>and Captain Marvel is powered by magic

So?