The Clone Conspiracy - Omega

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>>90336246

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>>90336266

>>90336246
Jesus Christ, what's wrong with Rhino's face?

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>>90336291
And now we get a repeat of the end of Clone Conspiracy

ARE YOU READY FOR UNCLE BEN, /CO/?

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>>90336313
Yep, he's gonna die anyway

>>90336246
NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME

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>>90336334
>I'm going to make Parker pay
I get that you're in grief, but really? Did you expect Parker to perform miracles?

>Kaine's still dying
C'mon, give the guy a break. How many times does he have to die?

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>>90336355
Kaine did nothing wrong

>>90336296
He can defuse the bombs but it's a stretch

>>90336316
That entire rumor was proved to be false.

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>>90336372
Oh, so NOW SHIELD shows up.
Also, Stilt-Man and Spider-Slayer confirmed alive.

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>>90336397

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>>90336440

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>>90336457
I'm honesty surprised that Slott didn't clone Uncle Ben in the end.

>>90336457
like slotts addicted to making peter an ass

>>90336355
When in doubt, blame Parker.

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>>90336481
Being Rhino is suffering

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>>90336503
>>90336501
Especially since he has such a guilt complex that he'll accept the blame for anything.

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>>90336533

>>90336372
Why DIDN'T he just go straight to Peter an tell him to fuck off with New U?

>>90336355
How is this Peters fault he actually came out against the New U

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>>90336554

>>90336565
i think slott forgot peter never publicly supported newu

>>90336365
>>Kaine's still dying
He got cured anon.

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>>90336572
>Just keep moving forward
I think this is a callback to Rhino's story in The Gauntlet.

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>>90336593

>>90336590
read this page>>90336457

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>>90336621
Well that happened

>>90336457
But you're not the "real" Gwen. The clone isn't either, since the real one is long dead, but why should she care? This dude isn't even anything like her Peter.

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>>90336649
And now we get a prologue for Peter David's Scarlet Spider.

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>>90336681
>Ben wearing a Deadpool shirt for his disguise
We already saw how Ben survived in ASM

>>90336355
This page is why Slott is a garbage writer in a nutshell.

There's no point to any of it. No logical character motivations or progressions. It's just "X causes Y." This is going to be what changes the status quo again, bankrupting Parker Industries and putting us in another "NOTHING WILL BE THE SAME AGAIN" scenario.

>>90336621
>>90336593
>>90336572
really wish there was a reformed spider-rogues book. would make for some fun stories and allow marvel to continue its obsession with creating new legacy characters that fill the roles of the old versions

>>90336649
Well, at least someone got a happy (?) ending.

>>90336649
I liked the concept of Curt turning his family into lizards, but why'd he make them retarded?

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>>90336707

>>90336649
anyone who didnt see this coming is retarded

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>>90336729
>I need money
Classic Parker

>>90336725
Green scalie humans is more like it.

>>90336649
Anyone who didn't see this coming? Anyone?

>>90336707
ok. ill admit this look for ben is amazingly perfect

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>>90336757

>>90336678
>But you're not the "real" Gwen.

She is, in her reality.

>but why should she care? This dude isn't even anything like her Peter.

This statement of yours is... problematic, IMO. You mean to say that the opinion of Kaine, a person she has spend months working with and developing a friendship with, is not important because he's "not her Peter" or "just a clone"?

Kaine developed a personality of his own and never seen himself as Peter Parker. And even if that weren't true, that doesn't invalidate his opinion, feelings or approval.

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>>90336779
Wait, didn't Ben use a voice modifier so he'd sound like Miles Warren and not like Parker?

>>90336593
>>90336621

I've always enjoyed when writers play up the, 'game' aspect between heroes and their villains.

Like both sides acknowledge the roles they're playing and when it's time to drop the gig and just be people to one another for a moment.

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>>90336804
>Ben stole some guy's hoodie

>>90336722
The Superior Allies of Spider-Man?

Get MachX to lead them and you could do it as a TBolts run.

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>>90336831
Here comes a new ship

>>90336804
so he set her up just so he could save her and gain her support. really pushing the ben as a villain angle in a really lame way

>>90336767
She's not able to pour correctly and the kid is trying to eat his plate. They've clearly lost something upstairs.

>>90336707
Needs a MAGA on that hat desu

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>>90336847
What's Fisk doing in San Francisco?
His solo book established that he's moved back to New York permanently. It's clear that the Spider-Man and Daredevil editorial departments aren't coordinating.

>>90336355
>>90336334
I honestly don't remember who the fuck this guy is at all.

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>>90336878

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>>90336355
>It's Parker's fault somebody else duped us and cloned my huspand

>>90336845
thats the idea. hell itd be a fun run if they made the superior foes actually successful as heroes. maybe even more popular than spiderman, the stories would be painfully easy and fun to write/read

>>90336878
He was in SanFran before this storyline began. The solo had him go back while CC was going on.

>>90336804
Ben cut him off before he could finish the sentence with "...find her here."

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>>90336900

>>90336440
Glad Kaine pointed out his reason for not saying anything at least. It irked me when he initially didn't.

>>90336757
Shouldn't she be in jail rather than free to go back to her place?

>>90336397

And Montana and Massacre.

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>>90336945
If Fisk knows, does SHIELD know?

>>90336957
this. doesnt make sense that shes not at least in shield custody

>>90336725
I'm guessing they kept degenerating before he stabilized them.

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>>90336975
And that's that, hope you enjoyed.
Next time: Stormin' Norman strikes again. Also Ben does his best Spidercide impression.

>>90336974
Fucking Massacre. Hate that asshole.

>>90336649
>couldn't even give him a non-retarded family
God damn it

>>90336457
Nice. I've been shipping Spider-Gwen and Kaine since the start of this shit show. It would be 10x better than Miles/Gwen but Marvel's gotta keep trying to push Miles, I guess.

>>90337031
theyd turn against him if they werent in a "manageable" state. hes nuts again

>>90336397
Mattie Franklin is dead again, but at least we brought back Stilt Man and fucking Massacre
Oh, joy!

>>90336788
She is a real Gwen, yes, but she's not any more an authentic version of Peter's Gwen than the clone is. They're just people with her name and face, and in Spider-Gwen's case she doesn't even have the original Gwen's memories like the clone did, nor did she ever fancy herself as anything more than a lookalike, also unlike the clone.

"this dude" referred to 616 Peter, whose opinion she was bothered by. I never said anything about Kaine. Again, she doesn't have any connection to 616 Peter other than him looking like an older version of her dead childhood friend. I don't know why she would care much about what someone who is effectively a completely stranger thinks of her authenticity.

>Problematic
What problems does my view cause?

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>>90337004

>>90337025

What, you don't like non-powered Carnage with bombs?

>>90336397
>Slott still doesn't care that Jonah also lost Mattie

>>90336355
>I'm suing him for all he's got
What exactly would she be suing him for? Wouldn't it make more sense to sue New U?

>>90337004
Didn't Osborn change his face because that meant he could look like anyone to get at Spider-Man? What's even happening with him? Last I saw he was selling guns to black people in Africa.

I need a rule 34 of Connor's wife

What the fuck was that shit?

>>90337249
Going by solicits, he's now in a position of power in Symkaria. He's apparently legally untouchable, so Spider-Man has to go to war against him by himself along with Silver Sable.

>>90336722
That would be nice, but you know as well as me that even if such a book existed, it would be cancelled and a few monthes later, the reformed rogues would be villains again without any explanation.

>>90337249
Good ol' "it's just a cover" really

>>90336975
Gotta love how Spidey gets super serial as soon as Norman is mentioned.

>>90336975
Why would they?

>>90336707
for one second, I thought it was Deadpool

>>90337122
>not wanting Stilt-Man back

>>90336593

I expected a real fight.

>>90336649
Not surprised he turned them into lizard men but it sucks they're clearly not right in the head. Kind of sad how far Conner's family has fallen after all this time.

>>90337408
Scalies, not even once

>>90336729
>I swallowed all the pills I could to buy some time
That's not how medication works.

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>>90336975

>>90336847
I don't think he was joking.

>>90337061
>Push miles
Gwen needs the crossover more than Miled

>>90336847

I don't understand going this direction with Ben. Bringing him back is a nostalgic appeal and turning him into a edgy scarred up nutjob isn't what the people who have been bitching for 20 years want to see and I doubt anyone who isn't already familiar with him will care

>>90336974
I still don't understand how Massacre is back like he is. Massacre had that metal plate in his head and was a murderer because he was wounded and had shrapnel in his brain. So that means after Jackal cloned him a new body, he must have purposefully put shrapnel back in his brain and replaced half his head with a metal plate.

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>>90336649
Jesus fuck Marvel, just kill the Lizard
hasnt he suffered enough?

>>90336974
>>90337025
Wait, how is Massacre back?
He was a really lame villain, all things considered.

>>90336649
>tfw no lizard wife

>>90337539
its classic marvel monkey paw. they give us what we want but its awful so they can claim the book failed because no one wanted it in the first place

>>90336649
Well at least now we know why Billy wasn't freaking out every time he saw Curt as Lizard, his last memory was getting eaten alive by him after all.

>>90336847
I'm going to hate this series, aren't I?

>>90336572
Rofl this fucking dialogue

>>90337597
Slott came up with him, that's all you need to know.

>>90337539
Ben's probably going to heal from the scarring, since a lot of other characters like Otto's midgywaifu also currently is scarred.

>>90336975
Imagine if it was the 90's, he will pull a floppy disk: "This jewel contain everything you want to know about Osborn, all of his secret contained in 3MB!"

>>90337751
Yeah, I know, Slott came up with him, and he couldn't even stay consistent with his own character.

>villain that was only a threat because peter had no spider sense
>next story he shows up in he's now a batman tier master planner

>>90337754
"Everything you want to know about Osborn is contained on these 240,000 punch cards."

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>>90337740

Maybe not, they're already backtracking on the costume so maybe they'll keep going and backtrack to a personality people actually want to see

>>90337740
PAD has always been able to deliver so I think he'll "redeem" Ben and get rid of the personality.

>>90336878
What editorial?

>>90337882
the same ones who hire and continue to employ shit artists/writers while mandating constant events

>>90336372
Good old Kaine.

>>90336246
Yawn

>>90337825
My sides! Thanks anon!

>>90337300
>silver Sable
Doesn't Spider-Man think she died?

>>90336296
He's ready to rumble

>>90336372
How is this Kaine's fault in ANY way? He was the one trying to stop this shit.

>>90336397
>we now know what to look for

Well that's awfully convenient for the plot, huh?

>>90338004
he could have gone to pete ages ago about the whole situation long before it got nearly as huge. he and spidergwen knew what was happening and instead of going to pete to stop it before it got out of hand decided to play secret agents and do it without him. all because an alt peter sided with ben

>>90336355
So why exactly can't they just clone him and other people again and use that inverse polarity bullshit on them to cure 'em from the virus?

>>90336440
Based Kaine. That's right Peter, fuck you.

>>90337004

What the hell is the obsession with the goddamn hoodies?

Yes, it looks good on Gwen, but are they just going to be giving them to EVERYone now?

>>90336355
Is it fair to say that guilt is Peter's character flaw and without the excuse of status-quo, something he should overcome?

>>90336457
Kaine. The true hero of Clone Conspiracy.

>>90336847
You'd think Ben would I dunno look to see how Janine Goodbe/Elizabeth Tyne was doing or some of the people he hanged out or cared for before he died?

Heck probably get upset about Peter's kid not making it, I mean doesn't PAD have a thing for dead babies?

>>90337539
I don't doubt PAD's Scarlet Spider might be good but yeah this might as well be a Ben Reilly clone gone bad and not Ben himself (which is how I see it).

>>90336562
Because if he did, Peter would have thrown it back in Kaine's face. Peter doesn't trust Kaine at all.

So regardless of how Kaine handled it, Peter would just blame him. Or at least Slott's Peter would, anyway.

>>90336334
well that's a downer

>>90336355
Is everyone hating on this page forgetting that Peter insisted on the New U treatment for Jerry?

>>90336649
So is Connors going full Lizard-brain now? Wasn't the Lizard persona gone, last we saw him?

>>90336714
>It's just "X causes Y."

Its not even that. We don't even know WHY the clones degraded. They just did. Because the story needed them to.

Like most of Slott's stories. The formula is actually: X just happens just "because", now find some asspull resolution.

>>90337533
Crossover is one thing. Getting BLACKED by a high school kid is quite another.

Thanks, OP.

>>90336729
Except... that's not what happened in the ASM issue.

>>90337876
Why do you guys think PAD has any interest in "redeeming" Ben? He constantly went on about how the "interesting" thing is that he's unhinged, that he has no clue what he wants to be, and he appreciates the earlier stuff so much he was making fun of the Clone Saga during his first run on Hulk.

>>90337539
It's not Ben, it's of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of Ben.

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>>90337249
Previews seem to indicate he's got a surgeon working for him regularly.

>>90337966
Yes.

>>90338552
Well, redeem for me being that he'll make the character work unlike Slott.

>>90336804
>didn't Ben use a voice modifier so he'd sound like Miles Warren and not like Parker?

Yes. I'm wondering if Peter David even bothered to read Clone Conspiracy or if he's just working off a story prompt or something. He also got Ben's flashback wrong.

>>90338708
If you read the whole thing it's pretty damn clear Ben tipped these guys off to convince the (delicious) brown to give him money.

>>90338188
>this might as well be a Ben Reilly clone gone bad and not Ben himself (which is how I see it).
That's exactly what this is. "Ben" is literally just an evil clone of Ben.

>>90336858
But remember, anon, Slott and Lowe wanted to bring Ben back that really honored the fans, remember?

I'm sure all of Ben's fans are super happy that he's a full on psychotic villain, right?

>>90336878
>It's clear that the Spider-Man and Daredevil editorial departments aren't coordinating

Are you implying that Slott would communicate with -anyone- else writing at Marvel?

>>90338821
Benfag here. Not happy at all.

>>90338333
But, as far as he knew, they were going to get Jerry a new organ, not just sweep him under the rug and replace him with a clone.

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>>90336878
>Marvel
>editors

>>90339014
Since the degeneration has been cured, why can't they just clone Jerry new organs?

>>90339111
Well, S.H.I.E.L.D. has the place on lockdown now so...

>>90339111
Why can't they just get a donor and put him on ice again?

>>90336847
>>90337499
I'm gonna agree on that he was probably telling the truth

>>90337539
It's annoying because they're going to change his costume to classic by the sixth or whatever issue and by then, will anyone care?

>>90336975
Jesus christ, is the Kingpin 8ft tall or something?

>>90337025
He's one of Slott's special snowflake OCs, of course he's gonna stick around.

>>90337573
>>90337597
See: >>90339667

>>90336355
So is this how they'll send Peter back to his status quo in New York for the Zdarsky book? Getting sued back to poverty?

>>90338046
see: >>90338252

None of this is Kaine's fault at all.

>>90336457
Kaine never had Peter's memoREEEEEEEEEEEE

>>90339865
>Slott can't even handle his own OCs with consistency

>>90338993
I'm a Benfag, too. Not happy either.

>>90339963
Except, you know, he always has.

>>90339975
This. Just look at how he writes Spider-Gwen.

Granted, he didn't write her initial appearance. But the character concept was his. And its painfully (see: PAINFULLY) obvious he hasn't read a single issue of her solo book. Or talked to Jason Latour at all.

>>90338046

Um not only that but how can Kaine even trust anyone in Peter's organization after he tells him? For all he knew even if he alerted Pete, Ben's agents would learn that Pete knew and so then would the Jackal.

And hey, wouldn't you know it? There was a mole in Pete's organization! Kaine is ALWAYS RIGHT.

>>90336649
> Conners got rid of the Lizard persona.
> Ben nabs Curt because of said persona.
> Lizard and Curt persona now somehow bleeding together.

>>90340138
>Kaine is ALWAYS RIGHT.

For a guy who weant from being a jealous and self-loathing clone, to not giving a fuck at all... its amazing how often this rings true. Kaine is one of the most clearheaded Spider-Folk in comics right now.

>>90340051
He literally never had Peter's memories.

>>90340239
He literally always did. Read the 90s Clone Saga.

>>90340239
He has the memories up until the blood sample was taken.

>>90340239
If you're referring to that line in Scarlet Spider vol. 2 #5, that was a retcon. Previous to that, Kaine had all of Peter's memories.

>>90338821
> once had a friend.
> HUGE Ben Reilly fan.
> Loved the Clone Saga. Was devastated when Ben died.
> Still, kept reading Spider-Man no matter what. He even bought every issue of OMD and OMIT.
> Loved to tease me about the lack of original Hobgoblin then just when he come's back, Slott kills him off in BND.
> Halfway into Big Time arc, Friend marries his girlfriend. All is right in his world. Start to lose contact with him completely.
> Original Hobgoblin come's back. Pwns Urich version.
> decide what the hell. Move heaven and Earth to talk to friend.
> Find out he died three months before the arc via getting hit by a train.
> Slott now brings back Ben as a psychopath.

This would have broken him as a comic fan. I'm glad he never saw this come to pass.

We should make a list to have in mind how many died and how many survived after this arc. There are very few confirmed deaths, the other "deaths" can't be confirmed officially because there was no visual proof, and some of them could have escaped using the same trick that Ben Reilly and Doc Ock.

>>90340383
That's a sad story, anon.

But I too am glad your friend never had to experience this atrocity.

If you ever get the chance, you should tell Slott that at a convention or something.

>>90336397

At least Stilt-Man is back, something positive has come from all of this.

>>90336296
Go look up the old Ditko Rhino.

>>90337061
Don't worry, Bendis will stick Miles with someone else soon enough. He'll never have a concrete relationship.

I mean, just look at the entire Ultimate Spider-man run. He and Peter keep bouncing between love interests all throughout.

>>90340681
Romita, not Ditko.

>>90337004
How long until ben calls miles not the real spiderman and gets shocked

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>>90340793
Love it when that happens

>>90340892
why does he take issue with it? He knows he's not the real Spider-Man.

>>90341121
He's a real spider-man, just not the one, an awful example would be like telling Wally that you want to speak to the real flash.

>>90340072
I wonder if that's why Robbi Rodriguez was upset

>>90338611
I'Z GUNNA USE ALL ME DAKKA TO TAKE DOWN DAT SPIDA-GROT!!!

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Did turning into sorta-lizard people ruin Connors' wife and son's motor skills, or was it because of the previous degeneration?

>>90342135
why is connors still a lizard? couldn't ben fix him up or did i miss a lot of things?

>>90342295
He doesn't want to be a human, he wants to be a lizard.

>>90340642

Oh please. I forgot when, but there was a time Ben was a suspect for something villainous and I begged Slott please let him not be the bad guy.

Slott said, "He won't."

> Slott then does this.

At this point I totally forgot the what, but this feels a hundred times worse.

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>>90342319
I don't blame him. Lizards are the best. At least when they're not like whatever the hell is going on with Martha and Billy.

>>90342339
That was probably during the Raptor story where Ben was framed for a fire Kaine started.

The Bump Conspiracy

>>90343103
Come to think of it, there wasn't really much of a conspiracy in this event.

>>90343880
The conspiracy is how Slott keeps getting work.

>>90337061
>Nice. I've been shipping Spider-Gwen and Kaine since the start of this shit show.
He is a little bit too old for this Gwen but anyway I would love to read it happening.
>It would be 10x better than Miles/Gwen but Marvel's gotta keep trying to push Miles, I guess.
I already disliked Miles since long before but now I can't stand that fucking character epitome of the Mary Sues, Miles is cancer and Marvel needs rid of him.

Im not a fan of Slott's Spider-man but is the new Spider-man worth reading at all? I do miss reading spider-man

>>90336334

Does anyone care about that guy? We should have got Electro back here, the same way Prowler wasn't really dead.

>>90344512
Max should be alive, Slott just doesn't want to focus on him for some reason.

>>90344264
>the new Spider-man
You mean Miles Morales, I'm not sure you'd like it.
However, Chip Zdarsky is gonna be doing another Spidey solo called Spectacular Spider-Man, it could be good.

>>90344264
Pick up Spider-Man/Deadpool if you need a Spider-Man fix.

>>90336878
Weird seeing Immonen inked by someone other than Von Grawbadger for once.

>>90338150
Ben's Scarlet Spider outfit had a hoodie with the sleeves torn.

>>Kaine visits countless alternate realities where Parker Industries and New U destroy the entire fucking world
>>Peter is downright complicit in some of these, on others he tries working with Jackal to find a cure even if he disagrees with his methods
>>Kaine personally ensures that this doesn't come to pass by not letting Peter know in advance, he doesn't have an opportunity to work with the Jackal.
>>Super-Genius Peter Parker gets pissy at Kaine (who is still actively fucking dying and everyone can see it) rather than thanking him for saving the fucking world and offers no help or sympathy for Kaine's own degeneration.

You keep this shit up and people are gonna put Ock back in your head you ungrateful little shit.

Also, Reilly was 100% telling the truth about siccing those dudes on the doctor in order to save her and get a reward, that's straight up sociopathic.

I hate this shit. Why do we have to pretend this dumb clone is really Ben. If he's going by Scarlet Spider again, what title (if any) will Kaine use?

We still haven't seen Araceley since the Inheritors put her in the hospital. Maybe aztec magic can fix Kaine's degeneration. Now that Spiderverse and this clone garbage is finished, there's no excuse for Huitzilopochtil to not be reunited with Kaine.

If the new Scarlet Spider is anything like the new Venom book with its insufferably edgy protagonist I'm not going to bother reading it and I hope it sells worse than squirrel girl

>>90336246
Any news on Spock?

>>90346793

>We still haven't seen Araceley since the Inheritors put her in the hospital. Maybe aztec magic can fix Kaine's degeneration. Now that Spiderverse and this clone garbage is finished, there's no excuse for Huitzilopochtil to not be reunited with Kaine.

I still think they're saving that for future storylines

>>90336572
Damn this is cheezy as fuck, but I suppose endearing aswell

>I give it sold Uncooked mozzarella /100

>>90336707
Wow what a surprise that nobody saw coming, No one, not one.

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>>90336847
>She takes this like a joke

Seriously?

>>90338525
That's exactly what happened you fool. He did all this and then he went to his hideout where he fought the Jackal. Read it and see.

>>90336457
Kaine continues to be best boy.

Yost on Scarlet Spider again when

What a tepid event.

>>90337826
Can he just wear this instead?

>>90336975
>Implying his greatest foe isn't Otto.

>>90336649
So sweet.

>>90344765
I read few issues and thought it sucked.

>>90348428
Im jealous of your blissful ignorance

>>90340208
This. And it's painful to read next to Peter's childish rambling. Seriously, fuck Slott.

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>>90336975

>>90339499
The funny thing is that I think the new costume looks okay when other artists draw it. It helps that they don't make his mouth visible underneath the mask. I get the feeling that they're only bringing the old costume back in a desperate attempt to win people over. "See? It's totally Ben! He's going back to the old suit and everything."

>>90344662
He wants everyone to pay attention to his OC instead.

>>90339877
Zdarsky isn't gonna be the main writer Slott still has the main title. BUT yes it's quite possible this is how they do it. It's the popular prediction since last week.

>>90338252
No he wouldn't have. He's angry with Kaine because Kaine didn't tell him. BUT normally he loves Kaine even before getting rich he flew all the way to Texas to apologize for SpOck being mean to him.

Jesus I like how you take being a dick to him in this issue as a stance on how he generally feels about him, considering Pete took the time to mourn him (and even prioritized him over Silk) back in the Inheritor saga.

>>90355982
nice

>>90339653
Nah he's just 6'2" Pete just happens to be 5'10"