So why is Marvel trying to push Carol so hard? They've already

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She is the most powerful and most popular hero in the world

YAAS QUEEN!

>>90300400
Who would you propose Marvel could use? Pretty much all the major female heroes I can think of are tied up in X-Men or other team baggage and have rights issues for use outside the comics.

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I liked her in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

>>90300400
All of Marvel's best ladies are X-Men who they don't have the movie rights to.

She-Hulk's movie rights are probably nebulously tied up in Hulk's, who they don't have distribution rights for movies.

She's one of their only lady characters with a big powerset. Seriously who else do they have? Moondragon? Tigra?

>>90300543
>>90300481
So it's basically out of desperation?

>>90300400
Because even as pathetically nebulous as WW is in the eyes of the casual public Carol is the only woman Marvel has that's even remotely close without being tied into a million other things.

>>90300573
Yep! And that desperation is leading them to relaunch the character again and again without a solid idea of what they want out of her other than "be popular".

>>90300543
Also She-Hulk is green so she lacks the necessary mass appeal beauty required. Her niche is covered by Gamora in GotG anyway.

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Why not Kamala?

Christ, she gained popularity faster that Carol ever did or will.

And popularity seems to be what Marvel wants.

>>90300737
Because her whole deal is the unsure teenage hero looking up to others.

She can't fill the powerful independent woman role right now.

>>90300737
Until they tanked her book with crossovers and forgetting that the jersey street level hero was what made her popular

>>90300737
Kamala is actively being ruined by getting pushed too fast. If she had stayed in her book for a few years and built up a good rogues' gallery and maintained her supporting cast, maybe people would agree with you.

But they're pushing her way too hard right now and it's getting on peoples' nerves, especially since it seems like nobody but her own writer can write her worth a damn.

>>90300737
They want a Wonder Woman, a confident adult heroine.

>>90300737
>ever did
Carol sold more than her as Ms.Marvel

>>90300737
They are pushing the fuck out of her already are you blind?

>>90300807
>tfw something Marvel pushed for diversity's sake like with Miles and shit turned out to be good
>tfw it's just gonna crumble apart because they can't fucking handle that well enough.

>>90300682
Eh Gamora is just green Black Widow so far. Just being a bruiser would be enough to differentiate SHulk from every other female MCU character.

>>90300543
We'll never have Tigra licking her cunt clean on the big screen.

>>90300543
The X-women sell like shit too. None of them do well outside the team.

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Sadly sony owns her movie rights.

>>90300908
How? Was the deal for any character and all characters related to Spider-Man?

>>90300908
This right here could've worked

>>90300481
Monica Rambeau
Better powers.
Better optics.
Better history.

Squirrel Girl could've worked had they handled her comic well. Maybe. Probably not.

>>90301002
MCU is lighthearted and all but I don't know if it's ready for something out-and-out silly

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>>90300966
the only thing Monica is good for is frying blacula

>>90300934
The other non-exclusive character in the deal is Jessica Drew, who can be used by Sony as Spider-Woman but also by Marvel provided their version does not include any of the character’s Spider-Man related elements. The list of related characters that goes with Drew and which are also held by both Sony and Marvel on a non-exclusive basis includes SHIELD agent Jerry Hunt and her business partner and actress Lindsay McCabe plus the rights to “Drew & McCabe Investigations” so it appears that around the time these rights were original assigned, Marvel (or someone else who held those specific rights) may have had some thoughts towards either a film or TV series set during the period when Drew lost her Spider-Woman powers and was working as a private detective in California in the course of which the character might also have had some dealings with SHIELD.

What’s clear is that under this deal only Sony had the rights to either make a Spider-Woman movie using Drew or use the character in that role in any of its other Spider-Man related films.

>>90300846
>gonna crumble apart
>gonna
Have you seen her numbers lately? It's already happened

>>90301129
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>90300966
This, with Monica around they don't have to try too hard forcing diversity like making Valkyrie black
Or shilling for shitty black sidekicks

Clearly MCU didn't think this trough

>>90301049
But she does it damn well!

>>90300400
Because she was once the biggest thing in Marvel all by herself, without any pushing.
Fans just liked her for her.

And you know what Marvel did then? Just what you would have done: they character assassinated her to near-death-coma, and worse, because most of them couldn't write a woman as an actual human being thanks to your kind of sexist crap were women are seen as worthless if they aren't blow-up dolls.

So now they have lots of writers that can see a woman as human and they look around and see that they don't have any feminist "WonderWoman" icons in their comics to sell to an emerging female market.
They could have created another token character and pushed some half-assed writing to explain why a nobody new character was being made Marvel's new top-tier hero ...
but why do that when there's an old popular icon in their lineup already that's (not literally) made for this moment but may as well be?

>>90301179
I only knew her existence because of paid shilling here in 4chan

Though I will never be her fan nor will watch her movie
Already did It with Doctor strange

because people only like the female mutants and they don't have the movie rights to them

>>90301179
Are you sure about that?

>>90300848
She's got superstrength. Just that it seems to be a bit above CapAm strength rather than Hulk level strength.

And I was only referring to the aesthetic of being a sexy green lady anyway since my point was that Shulk being green reduces her effectiveness in the image of traditionally sexy to the largest audience.

>>90301179
>Because she was once the biggest thing in Marvel all by herself, without any pushing.

Why does this sound like a crock of shit? Was this back in the 60s or something?

>>90300481
Honestly? At this point they'd be better off just making a new one all together.
Carol ain't gonna happen. That was confirmed for me during the Capcom vs Marvel trailer. And now she can't even sale number 1's any more.

>>90300950
Not chance. Any female character who is just a spin-off of another male character can never fill the Wonder Woman role.

>>90301275
She had a nine volume 50 issue run back in the mid-2000s. That's pretty dang impressive for a character like her.

>>90301326
lol that hardly makes her the biggest thing in Marvel

And not a single one of her books since has gotten even close to that number before relaunching again

>>90301346
Not exactly the biggest thing at marvel, definitely not. But definitely an indicator of who to push if you want a big female character.

But they've fucked it up and every launch she's had since they put her in the new costume has been terrible.

>>90301326
That series was actually the first major push she got after they tested the waters with her in New Avengers and House of M. It's also arguable the most successful of her pushes, saleswise. Prior to that she was a second string Avenger and X-Man. Granted she was linked to X-Men during their heyday.

It's hard to push a waifu that is not a X-men. Marvel should have thought on that way before everyone was in love with a mutant girl. Now they want to get rid of mutants (the most memorable female cast from marvel) and at the same time push another one mixed with a sjw agenda? Never gonna work.

>>90301346
How many solo females have done better?

>>90301179
>that projection
>once the biggest thing in Marvel
>emerging female market
hmmm

Because she's one of their oldest with the most history. While there's tons more interesting varied female characters with with defined arcs and roles It looks good on paper to say "this character has existed since 1967 and is well loved by all."

Also I'm sure having the company name in her hero name probably helps wanting to see her succeed.

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>>90301170

A black female lead? I don't think so. But please praise us for giving minority women table scraps.

>>90300400
YAAS QUEEN!

It's because she's their attempt to have Superman, but also pander by having her be female and a dyke.

>>90300400
>why not use a female character that people actually liked well before this?

Name a character they could use for this that isn't X-Men affiliated. Like it or not, Marvel wants to have their own Wonder Woman and they don't want to overly promote characters owned by Fox in the process.

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Let's all make Namorita Marvel's next big thing!

>>90300400
>>90301179
>they character assassinated her to near-death-coma, and worse, because most of them couldn't write a woman as an actual human being thanks to your kind of sexist crap were women are seen as worthless if they aren't blow-up dolls.

The blonde woman next to Val is his wife. She's powerful, she's a good mother and she was once a queen of an island. She is everything a strong female character should be.

This is a comic from before WW2, by the way.

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>>90301609
Namorita is a good girl and has roots in Namor, who's like totally fundamental for Marvel and shit.

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>>90301638
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>>90300966
Can't market a movie with a black female lead

>>90300737

I do hope Marvel doesn't whore out my brown waifu.

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>>90300400

This question, again? I need to save this response and make it pasta or something.

Who else do they have to be their iconic female hero? Jean Grey? Storm? Rogue? Lets leave out those are all fox film licensed and remember their "X-men" not solo characters. Sue Storm, also a team member.

That's not the only issue. Other female heroes are often really tied to their team or husband. Scarlet Witch with Avengers and Vision, Wasp with Pym and Avengers. Black Widow, not really a "super" hero, she fills a different niche and isn't always a "hero" So they have..... Spider-woman? She-Hulk? Again, female version of a male hero, they'll use her, but marvel wants a front and center female icon.

They DO need a wonder woman, they just are going about it wrong. Wonder woman is like any other hero, but a women. Marvel always makes their women "women" first and heroes later. Carol needs a male non-super, non-hero b/f like Steve Trevor. Peter has MJ and Gwen. Bruce has Betty. Clark has Lois. They just keep fucking the fuck up with Carol. If you're going to push a character push them right.

Carol is still associated with a male version of her name, but she is pretty far removed from that now.

This all may seem like superflous things, but it's all foundation and water-cooler type talk for casuals or normies. Everyone knows Superman is weak to kryptonite, or spider-man gotten bitten to get his powers. No one really knows jack shit about Wonder Woman, but they know she's not Supermans Wife or Girl friend, she's her own thing. Carol though? Fucking forget it....

They wanted something unique from their heroes and DC heroes. I think they should have looked into Hellcat or Sif or Crystal but it still comes down to a brand and marketing, these names, the costumes and ect. "Captain Marvel" was a huge fuck you to DC. They pushed her so hard DC calls their "Shazam!" now.

I still think they went about it all wrong and I miss the old carol a good deal.

>>90301705
This. A solo female superhero film is already considered a risky enough venture by most film companies. A solo black female with no connections to established superheroes for fans to use as scaffolding is just too much of a chance of failure.

>>90301882
>Wonder woman is like any other hero, but a women. Marvel always makes their women "women" first and heroes later.

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>>90301882
>They pushed her so hard DC calls their "Shazam!" now

wut. DC has been calling him shazam long before Marvel started pushing carol

>>90301937

The character was still Captain Marvel till 2011. The character is now called Shazam and NOT referred to as Captain Marvel. They started pushing Carol after House of M back in 2006.

>>90302210
But they didn't make Carol captain marvel until 2012. Shazam's name change has more to do with people referring to Billy by that name

>>90300814
I don't know why. Spiderman has been their top guy for years and he's not really like either Superman or Batman. Besides, Kamala can do more to appeal to the young female audience who prefer a self insert over role model.

Worst thing is she's always been a bitch. Even in superhero squad she was a bossy know it all kill joy. She's not even the best female captain marvel and rogue used her powers better

>>90301470
Spider-Girl

>>90300525
Me too. FemShep Carol is best Carol

>>90300868
they're have only been 3 ongoings so far Rogue, Emma and Storm and none really tried to do basic superhero stuff, they were all character pieces.

Jean Grey at least looks like it's going to try it's had at big plot points and she doesn't have a supporting cast of literal who's and new character to bounce off of.

>>90300868
>>90303369

These are characters made for a team book, what do you expect?
And there's never been any real ongoing for any X-Man other than Logan, everything else has been a miniseries with one storyline.
And almost every X-Man has had one:
Gambit twice (!),
Bishop,
Emma Frost ( I still need to read that ),
Mystique,
Storm ( hers wasn't bad ),
Dazzler's was one of the very first,
Iceman's about to get his second,
Nightcrawler,
Cyclops ... sorta... twice.
This is no big thing.

>>90300525
Yea and I think that this should be the character they go for in the films. Basically a female Jack Reacher (film version, never read the books before any of you CRUISE WAS TOO SHORT spergs come in)

>>90303599
DAMN IT ALL!
I forgot Magneto's two, Psylocke's, Pixie's, Quicksilver's, Domino's, Longshot's miniseries...
And Cable's ongoing...

>>90301170
>Clearly MCU didn't think this trough

Marvel Comics itself renamed Carol as Captain Marvel in around 2012. The movie didn't get announced until 2014 and Marvel really wanted to push Carol Danvers. Feige meanwhile wanted to do a superheroine film but Perlmutter refused because he didn't believe superheroine films would sell in box office or toys. Feige and Perlmutter managed to sort of come to an agreement in that Captain Marvel would get made as Feige desired while Inhumans would also get made as Perlmutter desired.

>>90303781
They're getting a lot better with the movies.
I remember the piss-poor synergy they tried to pull off with the X-Men comics when those first three came out, I had to stop reading for a while.
They made the disastrous mistake of trying to make the comics conform to the movies.

These days, if you look closely, you can spot foreshadowing for the comics in the movies and the synergy is limited to gawdawful, but temporary, themed crossovers.

I have a pet theory that they were originally going to ease up on the Carol shilling when they announced Janethor, and they were going to try and make her their Wonder Woman.


But between Jane selling like powdered water, and everyone not giving a shit pretty much a month after she appeared, they were stuck with Carol again.

>>90303781
Fucking Christ, Perlmutter and his fucking Inhumans. What's it going to take for him to get off that shit? For the movie to bomb?

>>90303970
Jane Thor sells way more than Carol, it's actually one of the best selling Marvel solo books and outperforms Iron Man and Captain America every month.

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>>90304075
She looks like Storm who stole Carol's wardrobe.

>>90304075
It's like that fucking rat monster girl from "Splice."

>>90304051
Ever since Feige took control away from Perlmutter Inhumans got deprioritized and now Perlmutter's pushing for a TV show instead (but with the pilot being screened in theaters, IIRC)

>>90300400
In all fairness, Carol does probably make the most sense as one to push (suitable powerset, not tied up in anyone else's rights, not just a female version of a better known male character), but they fucked it up by sanitising all the interesting traits out of her in favour of Yaas Queen Slay.

>>90304075
Is she supposed to be black or is it just shit art?

>>90303970
Doubt it, Captain Marvel got announced as a film in 2014 so they had to have been thinking about it as far back as at least 2013. And remember that was Feige's pet project.

Plus on top of that Jane as Thor actually sold decently until the relaunch.

Jane Thor might be more of a way to put Natalie Portman in a starring role in case Perlmutter doesn't wan't to pay Chris Hemsworth more money.

>>90304144
Isn't Portman sick of Marvel movies, though? She's not showing up in Ragnarok.

>>90304193

why she' sick from marvel? I'm still not sure how they managed to not give her a starring role

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>>90300400
LOL Carolfags must be salty

>>90304209
She's not even going to be in Thor 3.

>>90304383
doesn't thor 3 take place entirely in space

>>90300400
Because SJW tumbler feminist bare asking for marvels wonderwoman

That's why I despise her so much and her lesbian hair

>>90304131
She's originally Ms. marvel

Monica on other other hand is her own character

>>90304280
we are

>>90304193
>Isn't Portman sick of Marvel movies, though?
correct. It's unlikely we'll see her or Pepper again.

Excuse me didnt we have a deal that there would be only 1 carol thread up in /co/ at the time and that monday is the day you can create them.

>>90304096
Futa Carol Confirmed

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>>90300400
Because she's the best character Marvel has

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>>90300525
>>90303108

Carol was fun there. Also the wacky misadventures of Carol and Jessica. Marvel just stripped the fun and interesting parts out of her character (Ex-Military, former Alcoholic, screw up trying to make right) and books to please people never interested in her in the first place. And the cringeworthy marketing.

Marvel can't just make her their Wonder Woman as Wondy has mythos developed for decades along with the mythos they derive from Greek culture that affected her character development over years and has lead to constant reinvention and fresh ideas like Johns, Azzarello and Morrison's runs. Carol doesn't have that sort of legacy but the interesting history they have with her they want to delete for a blank slate (House of ideas, my ass) even though the current book is gingerly small steps forward (Like everyone in the hero community hating Carol so much she has to stay in Space most of the time to get yelled at by Abigal Brand)

Carol and Jessica room-mate comedy team up book when?

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>>90304972
>Carol presenting a big D to Jessica
They are not even being subtle

>>90300966
Why is this board so obsessed with Monica?

>>90300400
They really need to bring back "Power-Girl" Carol instead of this forced, bland Wonder Woman pinnacle heroine bullshit.

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>>90300400
I'd rather see She-Hulk now
Carol was not the right choice
A She-Hulk movie and a cameo from Hulk would be perfect

>>90305571
Nextwave.

>>90300966
>Better history
...no not really.

>signed away all their good heroines
>all they have left is the scraps no one wants or they're already connected to other heroes

>>90303599
Storm, Kurt and Scott's recent books were glorified Stealth minis, I doubt Marvel planed for any of them to go past Secret Wars as they taking chainsaw to X-Franchise at that moment.

Dazzler's book came before she joined the X-Men, it doesn't get really mutant heavy until the end when begin to fold into the team.

Emma Frost is totally worth reading if you can stand her being a teenager and not drawn hot and we all forgot X-23/All New Wolverine

>>90304075
that would be okay if it was a glow in the dark 90's style gimmick cover, Lopez sucks tho, his terrible art practically ruined All New Wolverine.

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Literally the only good thing to come from Carol's existence is porn, and Kamala

>>90300400
>why is Marvel trying to push Carol so hard?

so marvel has an answer to wonder woman they can use for movies & to name squat on DC's captain marvel

>The excuse of "we need our own Wonder Woman" doesn't make any sense, because why not use a female character that people actually liked well before this?

because they can't use their real answers to wonder woman in movies

>>90300795
if they wanted to use her for movies without any connection to carol they could easily just make it that she looks up to the avengers & she took the ms.marvel name from a comic book

>>90300807
>it seems like nobody but her own writer can write her worth a damn.

that's what worries me when her book does get cancelled

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>2018 comes around
>Marvel shows off the Captain Marvel trailer
>Feminist and SJW sites touting it as the best movie ever, despite the trailer being like 1:25 long.
>Literally everyone else doesn't care or is talking actual criticism
>2019 comes around, movie comes out
>It "makes money" but ultimately is considered a bomb, negative reviews all around from fans. only good reviews are shilled reviews
>Marvel drops her again and pretends this never happened

I don't know why anyone expects any different

>>90300400
>The excuse of "we need our own Wonder Woman" doesn't make any sense, because why not use a female character that people actually liked well before this?

The problem with that is that Marvel has no unique female characters; Classic Carol was really it. Characters like Scarlet Witch and Storm are tied to the X-men, She-hulk and Spider Woman are considered derivative of male heroes (Yes, I know Jessica isn't a Spider-man character, but they don't want to risk confusing the brands.) Even if there are minor female characters they could use (like, I dunno, Satana?) they're even more literal whos than Carol is. She's at least got history with the Avengers (which, remember, was always a garbage dump title for characters who couldn't carry books of their own.) And even though Carol is derivative of Mar-vell they've just written him out of continuity and prayed nobody notices.

Plus you've got to remember, Marvel is trying very hard to ape DC's concept of the Trinity. Thor is in a weird place because despite being Marvel's only character that sells in trades, his movies do relatively poorly. Since he's also based on a public domain concept they can't trademark, anybody could make a Thor movie to compete with them, so he's been shuffled out of Marvel's big three in favor of Carol.

Finally, Carol is very important to Marvel because she carries the "Captain Marvel" name. Remember, Marvel has been playing keep away with DC for Captain Marvel's for decades. They desperately want a Marvel "Captain Marvel' title to stick in the public consciousness so that DC can never try to reclaim it.

>>90301882
DC stopped the Shazam thing a while ago.

Giant Size Ms. Marvel #1 $4.99 Marvel 15,802. Ms. Marvel.1 $2.99 Marvel 73,398.

>>90301678
Nah.

>>90300400
Because..... diversity or some crap like that.

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>>90306993
>They desperately want a Marvel "Captain Marvel' title to stick in the public consciousness so that DC can never try to reclaim it.

>Captain Marvel movie bombs
>DC announces Shazam movie and it does fantastic

>>90306993
DC never has had it. Shazam is not a DC character, they bought it. Marvel started using the name before DC took the character over.

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>>90307917
Please?

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>>90300400
I've never been so relieved to see a hate thread. The steady stream of Yass Queen Generals was driving me up the fucking wall.
Anyway
>why not use a female character that people actually liked well before this?
Such as? All of the strongest contenders aren't particularly popular either; just bit players to brands that are. People like X-Men feat. Storm/Jean/Jubliee, as individuals nobody gives a fuck. Yeah Carol ain't got much, but as a solo entity she genuinely is the best option for a lead female IP they had. That's just HOW SHIT the playing field is. Fuck's sake the most memorable stories Marvel has about gurl characters is about them turning evil.

>>90305571
Because she isn't Carol.
That's literally it.
I get liking Nextwave but she was the blandest of the bunch by a wide margin.

>>90300966
Roger pls
>>90305764
Presumably he simply means "no baby rape story" but I agree with you wholeheartedly. A lot of character development grew out of that, Monica was perfect from the start and tanked is usage after Stern left. She was like his very own Mantis.

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>>90300543
>best ladies
As characters, maybe.
As marketable brands, pffft nah.

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>>90300682
>She-Hulk is green so she lacks the necessary mass appeal beauty
Looka this fag

>>90301882
>Who else do they have to be their iconic female hero?
This question is retarded. Why is it retarded? Because it assumes Marvel needs an iconic female hero. Guess what. They don't need one. And the fact that Carol isn't working just proves that they should never have tried to make her something she isn't.

Her movie will likely do well. As well as Dr Strange did. Social media will push it as the greatest thing ever in order to satisfy their agenda. /co/ and /tv/ will shitpost about it for weeks, drawing comparisons to the Wonder Woman movie. But at the end of the day, Carol will still not be iconic, and her movie will be forgotten just like the rest of the MCU.

>>90310296
I bet you think Cyclops is bland, too

And you'd be right

>>90310495
>/co/ and /tv/ will shitpost about it for weeks
>weeks
How old is baneposting, again?

>>90310533
Unlike bland and shitty Marvel, DC can meme memes for a lifetime.

>>90310533
Baneposting is an outlier that has surpassed all other /co/ related memes. Only pepe is more widespread.

>>90300525
Not me, they were pushing her hard then too, saying she was on the same level as Thor and Hulk.

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>>90310501
X-Men isn't marketed as a wacky comedy book. Cyke's sternness suits the stories, Monica's tended to suck the air out of the room (in this specific setting).

>>90310668
Energy absorber.
She is, potentially.

>>90310533
I LIKE Carol but like fuck can she pull of that level of memery.

>>90310259
Yaas threads are 50% irony, 50% fap dumps

>>90300481

How about no one? They just don't have one anymore and nobody would rather see this bitch than all the other people they havent done yet.

Storm was their Wonder Woman. Rogue, Kitty, Sue, Psylocke, Jean, even fucking Jubilee would have came before Captain Literally Who.

>>90310865
I just don't see the fucking point of them. Well, I do, but it's not a point I can get behind.
Threads like this are all we've ever needed for Carol discussion & image dumps.

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>>90310936
I would.

>>90300400
Constant years of "but Marvel is so much better than DC, how come they don't have a Wonder Woman?!" from their echochamber took its toll.

>>90301306
>Any female character who is just a spin-off of another male character can never fill the Wonder Woman role.
Like how Carol has been ever since she was MISS Marvel? Like she currently is as CAPTAIN Marvel?

About the only thing that could have worked given your own wording was if she was Binary

>>90300400
Because when it comes to prominent Marvel heroines whose movie rights aren't tied up with other studios, she's winner by default

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>>90300807
I just realzed that I have no idea if she even has a rogue's gallery

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Can we push Elektra?

>>90310936
Wonder Woman has her own expansive lore; she was never just Justice League filler.
Carol has built more for herself than anybody you listed. Shit one of the girls you listed was explicitly created for it.

>>90310992
Shitposting.

>>90311120
She doesn't.

>>90311150
Even worse than Widow desu

>>90311120
Kamala's comic features a lot of wacky villain concepts that only stuck around for one issue/arc and haven't been seen again since. So it depends on how you define "gallery".

>>90311150
Because Elektra was always more valued as a dead woman than alive

>>90311197
So they died?
>>90311241
this is true

>>90311259
Mystique and Rogue since they part of the X-Men franchise.

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>>90311197
Anon was asking about Kamala.
Carol has a fair few, and like you said they migrated to X-Men. But by that same logic Carol inherited her predecessors rogues. Of which there are a colorful assortment; Marvel just haven't done shit with them.

>>90311344
>>90311197
>>90311286
>>90311259
Carol's biggest enemy is herself

>>90311150
She stabbed & murdered a pregnant woman.

Also it's worth noting that Captain Marvel comics are basically ground zero for a lot of Cosmic, so most-anything Kree/Inhuman/Starlin is fair game too.
Again; Marvel's just stupid like that. Fucking ULTIMATES is the best "Captain Marvel" comic Carol's ever had.
>>90311371
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

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>>90310936
What about Songbird? Make her the lead of a Thunderbolts movie where SHIELD has created a super team out of the dead villains' technology + maybe Batroc. She already has a great history in the comics and a decent fan following.

>>90300573
>So it's basically out of desperation?
Ironman 1 and the MCU was created out of desperation. So Marvel has good reason to allow desperation to lead them, it served them well so far.

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>>90310936
I'd rather see Carol if the movie's based on Reed's and the previous run.

>>90310844
I predict that the legitimately sexist, autistic, sperglord minority will go all out. The ironic-types will laugh at their shit and meme it, which will reinforce for the minority that their ideas are well-liked, so they'll double down, and the cycle will repeat ad infinitum.

>>90300400
Some people like to say that Carol was the best they had left. That's bullshit of course.

She was originally pushed because she was a hot blonde with a slutty costume. They already had plenty of redheads doing the odd mini-series and Elektra had the brunettes covered.

Because they needed to screw DC of the trademark and Disney wanted to pander to the SJW crowd, they covered her up, cut her hair and renamed her Captain Marvel.

The comics should just strip her of the name and dump this train wreck of a character. Carol's powers are boring, she is a bitchy attention whore, her new costume sucks ass and her sales are pathetic. All they really care about is the trademark anyway. Even the movies are rumored to be dumping most of her fucked up origin.

>>90310812
>Energy absorber
Plasma absorber. She can't do shit with Hulk's kinetic energy.

>>90304896
>correct. It's unlikely we'll see her or Pepper again.
From the outside, it looks like MCU is walking away from love interests. Pepper was great in Ironman and I will miss her, but I can understand if Marvel decided love stories and couples get in the way of valuable screentime. Thor 2 was basically one strange attempt at romantic focus, and it was considered weak.

>>90311498
The ironic thing is that over the last ten years, she has been more heroic than Carol. I don't even recall if Songbird ever killed anyone and she used to be an outright villain.

>>90311742
She can get a concussion.

>>90311706
I think a movie about a C-list hero trying to become a bigger deal would actually be a really good movie idea.

>>90310789
She played the straight man, a classic comedy role, and did it well.

>>90311838
>From the outside, it looks like MCU is walking away from love interests
fine with me. IMHO they were only included to fit the action movie cliche pattern of "good guy fights bad guy, saves day, gets girl."

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>>90311706
That sounds beautiful anon.

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>>90311725
>That's bullshit of course.
True.
She was the best they'd have had anyway.

>>90310495
>This question is retarded. Why is it retarded?
>Because it assumes Marvel needs an iconic female hero. Guess what. They don't need one

You really don't know what retarded is do you? Cause you're being it right now, like perfectly. IT IS A COMPETITION. They are in direct competition in the market with DC. There is demand and a market for female heroes. They don't need one.....? It's still a business you pants-crapping dumb shit. Why would they bend over and let the market go to their competitor? They want people to like their brand, their hero, buy their stuff and be connected to their universe. I mean, Im trying to explain this all to you, and im sure you'll make some dumb retort about how they should focus on the characters they have and how carol isn't on the level of wonder woman and never will be and all this garbage that treats comic characters based on the quality of their comic. Which means you really don't fucking get it.

If in 10 years marvel sells a bunch of halloween costumes of captain marvel, and starts selling sexy captain marvel corsets, and there's more and more carol toys and stickers and shit, that's fucking progress, that's what they WANT. To sell shit. I don't disagree they're going about it wrong, but they're here to make money and sell shit, they don't always care about integrity. You don't just let your competitor have a market in business, but you clearly do not get that.

>>90314155
This is the biggest concentration of stupid I have seen all day.

>>90314155
Actually trying to compete with every established product is NOT good business. It is the best way to produce a stream of failures that chips away at your business's credibility though.

See: Microsoft

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

>>90315729
Queeeeeennnnnnnn

>>90311086
Anon, all the other female heroes are derived out of (or risk being assumed to be, in the case of Jessica Drew) male characters or franchises that have been successfully established in the consciousness of the mass audience by the movies, and most of whom they have rights issues over anyway.

Carol's predecessor has been practically retconned out of existence with how unimportant he is, and most importantly a movie can establish her as "her own hero" by just going "she got her powers from an alien" and glossing right over Mar-Vell.

The difference is pretty clear.

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>>90300807
She's being Roman Reigns'd

>>90300400
I get why Wonder Woman is the standard, but is that because Wonder Woman is a great female character, or because she's DC's ONLY prominent female character?

Reminder that although The Avengers also have a singular female on the team, though she didn't even get her own movie (which actually would have been a refreshing break from CAPE capeshit). I can still name way more Marvel females than DC females. This is coming from a longtime DCfag.

Marvel shouldn't be trying to make her their Wonder Woman, or their Supergirl, just one of many their prominent, balanced female heros.

Man of Steel (2013) tried way too hard to make Lois look like a badass and it made her look like an insecure girl with penis envy. That's what happens when you try too hard with just one character.

Marvel should be pushing multiple female heros. Wouldn't want the Avengers Mansion to be a sausagefest, “Well, if you’re not fully utilizing half the talent in the country,” Gates said, “you’re not going to get too close to the Top 10.” Only way you're getting the girls ot buy tickets is to make the Avengers into Magic Mike, and nobody wants that except OP :^) Or to be mutieless, which is where all of Marvel's best females, IMO, are at. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QO35fQjR8c

>>90314591
>consumer thinking they know business

Exactly the type of response I expected on /co/

>>90314636
>see microsoft

what.... no no no no......no

These do not compare. Its the marvel brand as a whole. Their brand lacked that asset. Its like getting a milk shake from a burger place. Lots and lots of customer don't care. They like the fries and burgers, but if they want a milkshake, they have to go to a place that has them. That's the market share they lose out on. When you have everything, yes you may lose out on quality of each individual product, but you are able to service the demands of every consumer. You will (in theory) get more customers.

I think too many people on here look at Carol and the comics and what they did with the content and don't stop and really think....

>So why is Marvel trying to push Carol so hard?

That's the question, if you don't understand why, you're pretty helpless.

>>90316722
It helps that Captain Marvel is historically a Panther/Strange tier brandname for Marvel.
We'd be due the movie anyway. The fact that the best-known, longest-enduring, and thus most-developed character to come out of that branddname happens to be a chick is a pleasant coincidence they're taking full advantage of.
If Carol's comic history were exactly the same as it is minus any & all connection to Mar-Vell she'd not be much better than Hellcat or Mantis or Spider-Woman. But it is there, and it's pretty fuckin' blatant. I don't get why /co/ acts so igna'nt of it. They don't even choose the right AltGurl FFS.

>>90300481
She Hulk. All the pieces are there. But she's too sexually active and light hearted for the modern age. Also she's green.

I've noticed that the MCU is doing the Ultimate Universe while simultaneously trying to sweep all the dirty bits (which hurt to, but you do need to, expose to the sun for healing and character development and growth) under the rug.

I keep hearing from /co/ that they're changing the origin to gloss over Mar-Vell. This concerns me.

The fact is, if you change the Origin then you're dangerously close to doing an Elseworlds. It seems so simple to me how to get a Comic Book Movie to sell big: Stay true to the comics and the True Believers will tell their friends how faithful it is to the original material, and the normies will parrot that to the other normies. And of course, many Professional Critics are retards and nobody should listen to them.

>>90317576
Ah, but you see, you're a consumer! You know nothing about what you wish to consume!

>>90317426
>All the pieces are there.
Have you read She-Hulk comics?
All she does it take the piss out of the inherent silliness of everyone else. Even has fewer "rogues" than Carol, the big one she does have isn't even from a She-Hulk comic.

>>90317426
Also those latter 3 arguments are utter bullshit.

>>90317426
I know She-Hulk's thing is breaking the Fourth Wall. She'd be a bombshell in a future Deadpool movie, even as a cameo.

The only question is: dark green, or light green?
Costume is obviously the best one: purple and white leotard.

>>90317821
This.

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>>90306993
Marvel went through two cycles of creating a lot of original female characters. One was the '60s, when all the women were part of teams and they were all a little old-fashioned anyway.

Stan seemed to think Medusa was the best bet for a solo spinoff, I'm not sure why, maybe because she's tougher than the others? But it never went anywhere. Then they gave Black Widow the Emma Peel catsuit and gave her a solo feature, but it only lasted a few months.

Then from the late '70s, Chris Claremont was co-creating tons of women characters but they were all part of the X-Men.

That leaves Carol as the default choice because her series was consciously created from a "we need a woman solo superhero star" position. (Management just wanted a "women's lib superheroine" and the writers all submitted pitches for who she would be; Gerry Conway pitched that Carol should get Mar-Vell's powers.)

Her series wasn't a hit but it lasted two years and Claremont managed to give her a hint of a personality and even a rogue's gallery, though the MCU can't use them (because he 'ported her villains, Mystique and Deathbird, over to the X-Men). She's all they got, because most of their other women are team characters who would have to be rethought to make them solo stars.

>>90301705
B-But race is skin-deep!

>>90302808
Indeed.

>>90300400

If well done and focusing around her relationship with Mar-Vell, a movie makes sense in context of building up Thanos as a threat. Other than that, eh.

>>90300525
Goat show wish the movies were made like it

>>90300908
I rather thr nee animated movie was about her instead of Miles

>>90316429
She's not nearly being Roman'd as hard as Carol is. Carol is put in leadership positions, to the point where she was ordering around people like Steve Rogers for CW2.

>>90301050
Source on this

>>90324560
http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2015/06/25/decoding-sonys-leaked-spider-man-memo-pt-1/

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>>90324421
True.

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>>90300400
They should have just made a Nyx movie, and said Fuck whatever DC is doing.
Its the only good thing Quesada has ever touched. Back from the days when Marvel was great.
MAKE MARVEL GREAT AGAIN!!!

>>90324421
>She's not nearly being Roman'd as hard as Carol is.

You need to go back: >>>/asp/

>>90301050
So, wait, are we seriously going to get an MCU Carol/Jess bromance?

>>90300796
This, they tried to shove her into many series they flew too close to the sun with her. I still liked her tho

>>90303599
What aboot Cable and Deadpool eh?

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>>90300807
It isn't FUCKING FAIR BROS
Why does Mahvel keep fucking up when they're on a good track??

>>90300737
Kamala is fucking pleb tier tumblr garbage

>>90301179
>people still think a sizable amount of women read comics, specifically cape comics
I wont argue most comic book writers are lazy hacks, but lets stop pretending women buy cape comics and are sizable buying force. If it was like that, neither dc nor marvel would be pedalling back from all that sjw pandering from a couple years ago. The biggest demographic is males. Not even white males, but males in general. There is 10 males for every woman in almost any comic convention, but that lone woman wants all comics to pander to her. Thats why marvel is in the shitter and DC struggled more than they should.

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>>90300966
I love that even though Nextwave is obviously non canon, the characterisation is leaking through. I would love Nextwave Monica as marvels next big thing.

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>>90305571
Because Nextwave is GOAT.

>>90330214
because they can't deal with success.. When they make something good they overeact and ruin everything..

>>90334296
>Nextwave Monica as marvels next big thing.
One Day anon.

>>90335234
The big problem with Carol is they got rid of her flaws so she could be marvelwondie. If she was still an alcoholic with a sadistic streak she would be interesting. See midnighter. Monica, with her inferiority complex and grouchyness would be perfect.

>>90335854
>marvelwondie
But Wondy also has flaws.

>>90300481
America Chavez, duh.

>>90336003
Example? And not shitty Mary Sue ones like being competitive.

>>90336609
Naive, compassionate, impulsive at times, warrior with codes and honor, and an open mind that try to stay objective and see the full picture of things.

>>90336103
After her solo debut no.

>>90300400
Marvel female characters suck. Marvel sucks in general and they're lucky they have spiderman and wolverine or their brand would have died a long time ago. I would say that jean gray should be their wonder woman but they ruined her reboot with their shitty writing.

>>90304883
Should probably kill yourself then.

>>90304280
Good yuri fags.

>>90311120

There's the Canadian ninja as something of a recurring mini-boss.

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>>90304280
DELET THIS

>>90338307
This

>>90338603
I am Sorry Shipperfags.

>>90334312
Hell Yeah.

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Carooooool

>>90304280
Captain Marvel? More like Captain Cucked.

>>90310402
Honestly they should cancel Carol's comic and just make a Captain Marvels comic with these characters.

Keep Mar-Vell dead but bring back Phyla and genis, that way you have the three vell kids hanging out and Teddy getting his time to shine without Billy.

You also get Monica, Nohr, and Kamala having space adventures (Kamala uses a porter so she can go back and resume high school or whatever).

Carol can be the leader but she also has to deal with Genis being an asshole and Phyla fucking up but they all also have to deal with her shit.

They all do cosmic stuff and shit.

I would be down for that instead of Carol with her oh so quirky cat dumb shit Marvel tries to sell us constantly that neve rworks.

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>>90311120

Marvel Comics no longer has a rogue's gallery.

>>90341784
Burn

>>90341670
That sounds good.

>>90341670
would buy

>>90324629
>Somewhat amusingly, the latter list shows that amongst the businesses and other elements that you’d expect to go hand-in-hand with Spider-Man, such as the Daily Bugle and Oscorp, Sony also got the exclusive rights to the Animal Liberation Front (???) plus a couple of dubiously-named rock bands (Molten Man and Razor and the Shriekers), a group of Canadian Bicycle Safety Promoters called “The Right-Riders” and they also got custody of the Spider-mobile.

Oh man they actually remembered those Canadian PSA comics. I think Dwayne McDuffie wrote at least one of them.

>>90324629
>There’s also third schedule listing “frozen” characters, etc. which neither Sony nor Marvel can use, at least for the time-being, some of which are parodies and character mash-ups, e.g. Spider-Ham, Spider-Hulk, Spider-Thor, and there’s a general rule that any future mash-up characters that Marvel might create are also automatically frozen which uses the example of a Spider-Wolverine. The frozen list also covers characters like the Ashley Barton and Kitty Pryde versions of Spider-Girl and Spider-Boy 2099 (Mig-El Gand) where there are also significant rights issues, and a longish list of characters that were created specifically for Spider-Man and Spider-Woman animated series between the late 1960s and the early 1980s. There’s also note relating to several frozen characters and all the characters from the animated TV shows to the effect that if Marvel can ever manage to sort out the rights to those characters then they’ll add them to Sony’s exclusive package.

Huh, I wonder if this is why they're pushing Gwenpool on the mobile games? Sure, she turned out not to be a Gwen Stacy but she was created as part of the Gwen Stacy cover variant theme.

>>90324629
>Yes, in addition to the Parker Classic version of Spidey and the 32 officially recognised alternative versions, which incidentally includes Miles Morales who’s mentioned by name, Sony also got eight different versions of Spider-Woman (including Jessica Drew and the new Gwen Stacy “Spider-Gwen” version) three versions of Spider-Girl and Silk (Cindy Moon) would be covered by the same provisions as Spider-Gwen which gives Sony the rights to any new Spider-Man related characters created after the agreement.

Hey wait a minute. Remember when Robbi Rodriguez said they weren't allowed to create new characters in the Spider-Gwen comic?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/spider-gwen-comic-cant-create-new-characters-because-of-1721380213

>>90345114
>>There’s also third schedule listing “frozen” characters, etc. which neither Sony nor Marvel can use, at least for the time-being, some of which are parodies and character mash-ups, e.g. Spider-Ham, Spider-Hulk, Spider-Thor, and there’s a general rule that any future mash-up characters that Marvel might create are also automatically frozen which uses the example of a Spider-Wolverine.
That sucks

>>90343139
https://youtu.be/6DBJgpYSyw0

>>90347179
>carol after remembering no one actually likes her.png

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>>90348479
>>carol after remembering no one actually likes her.png
Carol Susan reigns

>>90344798
Same here.

>>90300737
>>Expecting Hollywood to care about Muslim heroes outside of Oscar jerk off sessions.

>>90350095
>>Expecting Hollywood to care about Muslim heroes outside of Oscar jerk off sessions.
Pretty much this.

>>90304280
This is ridiculously bad.

>>90350662
Of course it is.

Jess should be making out with Carol instead.

>>90340834
Give me back my name.

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Yaas, hail the Slay Queen

>>90340405
so are naked Brie Larsons prowling the woods or something? is she a new category of UMA?

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Soy Carol was hot.

>>90300400
Just hope Kevin Feige does something good with her.

>>90356074
He's already fucked up by having skinny-ass Brie Larson play her. It's not even the boob size, Carol has always been a BIG girl. She's large-framed and tall. She looks about as much like a soldier as a non-steroidal woman can look. Larson is a stupid stick.

>>90356114
Are people still complaining about Gal Gadot?

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Boob Job right or push up bra.

>>90356172
Yes, actually.

>>90300400
Because she's penciled in for a movie and she's the highest profile female hero they have that's not tied to some other franchise like the FF or X-Men.

>>90300400
>Soy Carol was hot.
Sure, if you like a lesbian with a mullet.

>>90356276
What about Songbird.

>>90301470

dazzler

Is Carol stronger than Wonder Woman?

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>>90357196
Wonder Woman is roughly as strong as the story calls for, same as Superman.
So that's totally impossible to judge accurately.

However, since by default every DC character is "the absolute fastest/strongest/bestest" until their nemesis "fasterer/strongerer/mostbestest" shows up, I have to give it to Diana.

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>>90357318
I'm pretty sure they write Aquaman as being stronger than the Hulk over at DC at this point.

>>90300807

This. Along with Miles and Sam, she's just made it straight onto the Avengers without any of them having to pay their dues or prove themselves to the older generation. Instead, all the older heroes instantly love them and keep telling them how important they are.

Champions turning her into Marvel's own Lisa Simpson isn't helping.

>>90356373
She sucks

Marvel are just fucking terrible at handling female characters.

Harley Quinn is far more popular than Captain Marvel. That's hilarious.

Just last week Scarletwitching said all the writers likely to write Avengers comics are writers who should not be allowed to write Wanda.

>>90357435
Same with "Riri's the bestest! Kate's better than Clint!" All that retarded shit.

>>90357435
The kids were on that Avengers team as a training thing.

>>90306547
sauce plz?

>>90306832
None of the MCU movies have bombed yet, why would this one?

>>90357966
This

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>>90357966
http://naavscolors.tumblr.com/post/157632362053/3-sketch-color-sketch-commissions-done-v-slowly

>>90300400
>she's getting a movie in 2019

That is all that matters to Disney.

>>90359712
Thank you.

>>90360100
Best Carol.

>>90310296
Monica was the straight man in Nextwave. She had to be the least interesting one to make the jokes work.

She at least has an established personality, unlike Carol.

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>>90300400
>The excuse of "we need our own Wonder Woman" doesn't make any sense

it doesnt make sense because nobody at Marvel has ever said that.

> she is a decorated soldier just following orders

>>90300400
Same reason DC keeps trying to push Harley even though her movie flopped

>>90361528
Well-meme'd.

>>90361398
I wasn't going to watch Kong but Brie looks so qt in it

Halp

They better not butch her up because tumblr says so

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>>90300966
And yet she's frequently the butt of many jokes.

>>90362892
Everyone loves a Nextwave reference.

>>90362965
Pretty good comic.

>>90362757
Apparently she doesn't have much to do.

Also what people are saying about Free Fire.

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Truly

>>90361018
Is Almost over thank god.

>>90366306
Nice Butt

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time for benis.

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(Jessica Jones #6)

>>90369955
Nice to see Carol First costume in flashback.

>>90369993
Thank you anon.

>>90363226
>Apparently she doesn't have much to do.
That sucks.

>>90371504
Cute.

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>>90372084

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>>90372809

>>90374117
Looks Good

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how horrifying

>>90375628
Perfect.

>>90375538
Cute

>>90300400
They're trying to push Carol for Summerslam!

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>>90355314
Soy, Earth does not have two moons.

>>90378031
Yo Yo Carol

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>>90306832
>>90358110
Because surely that string of good luck will come to an end.

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>>90300908
>>90300950
Did you forget that she's the daughter of Peter Parker, who is currently a teenager right now in the MCU? The only way Spider-Girl could be done in the MCU at this point in time would be to set it in the future, which I don't see working out well. However I would be totally up for MCU Mayday after Tom Holland is done playing Spider-Man. Would also love to see the salty tears of butthurt Miles fans because Marvel decided to use her instead of Miles to succeed Peter in the MCU.

>>90324373
I agree with this so hard.

>>90300481
She hulk and don't drop the she hulk is slutty storyline. Man up and rum with it. If anyone talks shit accuse them of slut shaming.

She better be hot and fit also.

>>90300908
They also own Spider-Man's movie rights yet he's in the MCU and he's getting a series of movies so don't see how that would be a problem. Though it's also way too early to put Mayday in the MCU, considering her father is still a teenager in high school and hasn't even met MJ yet.

>>90317426
Universal apparently owns her movie rights, along with Hulk and other Hulk-related characters. That's why we haven't had another Hulk movie since Incredible Hulk and probably why she isn't getting a movie.

>>90300543
Songbird.

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>>90306993
>And even though Carol is derivative of Mar-vell they've just written him out of continuity and prayed nobody notices.

I think the thing is that Mar-Vell died and stayed dead for nearly 35 years. And even while he was alive he never really made it outside of comics. I mean look at what media appearances he has on his wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Mar-Vell)


>Captain Marvel appears in The Super Hero Squad Show two-part episode "Another Order of Evil", voiced by Ty Burrell. He is established as Ms. Marvel's boyfriend.
>Mar-Vell appears in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes episodes "459", "Welcome to the Kree Empire", "Assault on 42", "Operation: Galactic Storm", and "Live Kree or Die", voiced by Roger Craig Smith. In this story, he is a xenobiologist who came to Earth to investigate a genetic anomaly, pretending to be a human named Philip Lawson but ended up intrigued by humanity (and implicitly in love with Carol Danvers). When a Kree robot came to evaluate Earth's threat to the Kree, he sacrificed his false identity to save Carol, Wasp and Ant-Man, and in so doing accidentally duplicated some Kree powers to Carol. He assisted the Avengers in destroying the robot, nearly dying in the process, and left for the Kree homeworld to bargain on humanity's behalf. He was not successful, since the Kree later invaded, and Mar-Vell begged the Avengers to peacefully surrender, believing it to be Earth's only hope for survival. He was imprisoned along with Ronan the Accuser in Prison 42. Later he accompanied the Avengers to the Kree Empire in a last-ditch effort to intervene on humanity's behalf. After the shut down of the Supreme Intelligence, he became the new Kree leader.

>Captain Marvel is a playable character in Marvel Super Hero Squad Online.
>Captain Marvel is a playable character in the PSP version of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance.
>Mar-Vell is playable as an enhanced costume for the Ms. Marvel character in Marvel Heroes.

>>90311150
She's on Netflix, so probably not. Well, they'll still push her since Ike controls the TV division and the comics, but she won't be seen in films so that would hinder her.

>>90311150
>Can we push Elektra?
She already got one film. And as others said, she is stuck in Netflix.

>>90382505
Good taste

>>90384467
https://youtu.be/lcKPQKxrqT0 Genis