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Black Mask Could Be Villain In 'Gotham City Sirens' Film

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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/suicide_squad/david-ayer-seemingly-teases-black-mask-for-gotham-city-sirens-a149269
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Another one bites the dust.
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Good pick. He's simple enough to not take away from the development of the team, but distinct enough to be memorable. He comes with legions of goons for the Sirens to beat up. If they keep his love of torture it'll make it easy for the audience to hate him and thus root for the heroes.
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Black Mask is still waiting for some writer to come along and give him a definitive character defining story.
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Can't treat him worse than Arkham whichever one it was did.
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>>90292598
Why not

If you're vomiting up movies just to show that characters exist, might as well use a villain that no one, not even the writers, care about
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>>90293360
Why? He doesn't need one. He serves his purpose as a ruthless mobster who has a distinctive gimmick and is particularly sadistic. That's all he needs to be.
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>>90292598
It's gonna be tough to convince a hollywood actor to wear a mask the whole movie unless they are someone like Karl Urban (dude from dredd). So they are either gonna be someone with a burnt face or someone who constantly takes off his mask.
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>David Ayer
more shit design choices. lets try and predict how bad Black Mask will look
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Black Mask is my favourite Batman villain. I was hoping he'll d be the Batman movie villain.
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>>90292598
Hope they go with the gimp look, it'll add to the fetishy vibe that they're obviously going to go for.
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>>90293512
>It's gonna be tough to convince a hollywood actor to wear a mask the whole movie
4 u
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>>90293541
I don't normally do this, but...
>Black Mask is my favourite Batman villain
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>>90293512
Hugo Weaving wore a red skull for 90% of the Captain America movie.
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>>90293541
You'll get the Joker again and you'll like it.
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>>90293541
>Black Mask is my favourite Batman villain.
why?
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>>90293580
Why? War Crimes was great. He was excellent in the Catwoman book too
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Watch as they pull an Arkham Origins and reveal that Black Mask was Joker all along
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>>90293525
I think he will go with the Arkham look, but a little more edgy
The sirens will have tats tho
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>>90293525
GIMP mask
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>>90293666
>War Crimes was great
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>>90293697
>The sirens will have tats tho

I'm going for Ivy to look like this, or something resemblencing this, more likely she will have a sidecut
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>>90293711
Don't let Ayer see this
>shirtless Black Mask with leather pants and BDSM tendencies
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>>90293696
I'm still mad about that
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>>90293666
>War Crimes was great
Yep. Remember when Black Mask tortured Stephanie Brown almost to death, and then longtime Batfamily caretaker Leslie Thompkins let her die to teach Batman a lesson? Awesome.
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>>90293762
God I hope they do green skin Ivy.
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>>90293512
>Tom Hardy (Bane)
>Hugo Weaving (Red Skull)
>Hugo Weaving (V For Vendetta)
>David Prowse (Darth Vader)
>Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach)
I could go on
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>>90293654
I just do. I like how he was in War Crimes and Catwoman.

Also has killed a Robin.
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So /co/, if it was up to you, would you have it be a face forming mask like in Arkham Origins, or be like exposed bone like in Under the Red Hood?

I'd go for Arkham Origins, just to avoid the inevitable comparisons to the Red Skull.
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Margot Robbie is hot but doesn't have much T or A.

What are the odds that their picks for Ivy and Catwoman are also pancakes?
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>>90293844
>Jackie Earle Haley (Rorschach)
He was maskless for a lot.
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>>90293800
Sorry, didn't hate this. I respect you not liking what happened with Leslie though.
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Here's hoping my boy doesn't die (probably will)
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I bet he is a black gangsta in line with Monster from Suicide Squad.

[Spoiler] I am okay with this [/spoiler]
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>>90293934
>Uma Thermon all over again
It's a shame they wont go for an older Ivy to play off of Batflecks age. I wanted Christina Hendricks.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu4QX6iqZlQ

Under the Red Hood just turned him into Saints Row's Killbane. Just do that again. Drop the need to make him some scary Kingpin knockoff or a Mask-obsessed cult leader.
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>>90294035
Is Ivy supposed to be fat?
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I just want to see a turf war between Black Mask and Penguin
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>>90293827
The way I see it, Pam will have a sidecut with normal skin which is gonna be Pre-Woodrue, and then when Woodrue does the experimentation with her and turn Pamela into Poison Ivy she most likely have a short hair or punk hair with green skin or a combo or white and green skin. Although I coud see Ayer going for a more unreal look for Ivy to represent more her plant side, a la Swamp Thing if you will
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>>90293967
Have we really had a villain die in a DC movie yet? Faora's still alive in the Phantom Zone. Zod's died, but technically came back as Doomsday. Doomsday died, but his entire shtick is dying and coming back. Enchantress and Incubus died, but they're essentially magical creatures that you can asspull back at will.
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>>90293607
And then said he would never do the role again
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>>90294074
She could probably get back down to Mad Men sizes with a bit of effort. Unless she's gotten really big since the last time i cared to look, please tell me she hasnt gotten really big.
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>>90294137
When did he ever say that?
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>>90294117
Slipknot died.
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>>90293800
Storytime?
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>>90293762
>sidecut

Literally the worst female fashion trend of the last three years. Thankfully my girlfriend got over it.
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>>90292598
>Gotham City Sirens
Oh yay. I get to see all of Batman's female rogues lez out.

How happy I am.
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>>90294200
I assumed we are getting an older Selina to match Affleck, but Haley Bennett is the current rumoured actress and she is a bit younger
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>>90293844
Hardy and Weaving are unconventional actor and Haley was maskless for a lot of scenes. Also Prowse was salty as fuck over the role being credited more to James Earl Jones than to him.
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>>90294117
>Zod technically came back as Doomsday
Um, no? Lex used his corpse/genetic material to grow Doomsday, thats about it.
>Doomsday's entire shtick is dying and coming back
Not this version at least. Christ he acted more like Parasite given that his DCEU shtick was absorbing energy instead of immunity
>Enchantress
Yeah magic bullshit still leaves her available
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>>90294179
Too soon, anon. The pain of that loss is still there.
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>>90294035
>implying Ivy will ever have any chemistry with Batman again
I'm sorry, anon. Ivy is solely regulated to "HARLEY'S LESBO LOVER" now.
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>>90294117
That's not how the DCEU's Phantom Zone works. Faora is dead.
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>>90294190
Well, you have to get used to it since it most likely to be in the film
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>>90294177
http://www.indiewire.com/2012/10/hugo-weaving-doesnt-want-to-play-red-skull-again-in-any-more-marvel-movies-250794/
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>>90294284
why would you think that? it's never been part of her look.
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>>90294271
As much of a Harley/Ivy shipper I am I have to admit that I can't see that happening, because of MUH B.O OVERSEAS. If ain't happened in the video-games it ain't gonna happen in the movies, it'll be fantastic if it did but it won't
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>>90294325
Neither was Harley Squad look but here we are, nor Enchantress also
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>>90294263
Doomsday's thing is adaptive evolution. He took the hits, released an energy blast prior to the transformation and changed to become stronger. I thought it worked fine.
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I can see a look like this existing in the DCEU
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>>90294200
emma stone
yeah and then they can cast a latina or black catwoman
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>>90293360
I've always wanted that. Why can't we have him show up in an early career set story where he is super effective?
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>>90294184
Eh, why not.
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>>90294279
>Zod's insurgents were sentenced to the Phantom Zone and came back at the very beginning of MoS.
>No, DCEU Phantom Zone means Faora's dead.
Okay.
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>>90294355
I think you should kill yourself.

Harley has totally consumed Poison Ivy and her relationship with other, non-Harley people.

She used to have a sexual angle with Batman in her femme fatal ways. That's gone.
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>>90293481
So.. You would prefer he didn't have a really good character-defining story? That's fuckin weird
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>>90293525
>shit design choices

M8, Ayer's crew created iconic looks for almost evebody they touched. They won an Oscar for a reason.
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>>90294472
Zod's insurgents were placed in suspended animation aboard a spaceship which was then sent to the Phantom Zone.

A far cry from being jettisoned there by an explosion. The DCEU's Phantom Zone is basically another side of the cosmos and not a ghost pocket dimension.
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>>90292598
>Black Mask becomes more memorable to normies than Red Skull
How mad would people get?
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>>90293901
He's called Black Mask, not Black Skullface.
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>>90294505
They won an Oscar because Croc looked neat and nobody saw Star Trek Beyond.
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>>90293800
Did she not save her but hide it from Batman? That's how I remember shit going down
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I'm listening to the Beach Boys, it doesn't quite fit with the tone of this comic.
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>>90294481
MMMMMMEEH
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>>90294528
I don't think there's enough people that care about either of them.

So stop baiting.
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>>90294528
>mad
I'd be ecstaticly laughing at people calling Red Skull a Black Mask ripoff.
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>>90294460
>the texas anon
Boris?
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I'm utterly uninterested in this movie. Not even the attractive actresses are a drawn.

But it'll probably do gangbusters since Asians apparently love Suicide Squad and this will basically be Suicide Squad 2: Harley Bogaloo now with a China release.
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>>90294404
Ok let me start off by saying Doomsday isnt a good character, hell its arguable if he even is a character given that hes essentially just the wall that finally stopped the flying brick that is Superman. That said, I dont think they did a good job with Doomsday, or at least showcasing his ability. He didnt really evolve or become immune to anything, just absorb each hit thrown at him to become stronger, hence the Parasite comparison. Actually come to think of it, he was a Parasite/Bizarro amalgamation. Regardless I wouldnt want to see him again, they already spent the Death of Superman coin and Doomsday is shit to begin with
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I'll just say, I have no idea what's going on prior to this story, as I wasn't reading Batman back then, and I don't feel like going through all the lead up.

>>90294621
I'm from Texas, not Russia.
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>he has DAMAGED COFFIN tattooed on his face
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>>90293844
Might as well just get Hugo Weaving again
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>>90292598
Oh hell no. You leave Black Mask out of your shit, Ayer.
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War Games is like 25 issues long.
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>>90294722
>his face is covered in hundreds of tatoos of the word MASK
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>>90294845
>except for some blank space on his forehead that spells out BLACK
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About fuckin time he hits the big screen
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>>90293376
Arkham Origins

Which was a shame considering before that they had Black Mask be the only man to break out of Arkham City
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As per Wikipedia:
Black Mask's origin story was established in his first appearance. Roman Sionis was born to wealthy and utterly self-absorbed parents, who cared more about their social status in Gotham City than their own son. Moments after Roman's birth, the doctor carelessly dropped him on his head, and his parents covered up the entire incident so that their high society friends would not find out. Years later, he was attacked by a rabid raccoon at the Sionis family country estate, and his parents forbade him to mention the incident to anyone. Despite their dislike for fellow socialites Thomas and Martha Wayne, Roman's parents continued to associate with them to maintain their social standing, and forced Roman to befriend their son, Bruce. His parents' hypocrisy had a deep impact on Roman, and he grew to resent them and the "masks" that they wore in public.

After graduating from high school, Roman was given a high-ranking position in his father's company, Janus Cosmetics. There, he met and fell in love with working class model Circe, though his parents did not approve of the relationship and forced him to break it off. Enraged, Roman burned down his family mansion, killing both of his parents and inheriting their fortune and business. However, Roman lacked his father's business acumen and eventually ruined Janus Cosmetics by funding a failed line of face-paint make-up. Desperate, Roman had the staff chemists create a product that was rushed to the market without proper testing, disfiguring several hundred women. Circe, now Roman's fiancée, then broke up with him in front of his entire staff.

So, he's a disfigured cosmetics magnate with possible childhood brain damage. Sell me on this guy, I'm not really getting a hook.
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>>90295004
He got his ass beat by Nightwing in a DLC mission.
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>>90295024
>Posting a wiki
No one wants to spoon feed you, you casual.
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>>90294816
>Aaron Black
Hey is that actually Black mask in disguise?
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>>90294587
>Plant supremacist who hates all non-plant life
>E-EXCEPT FOR HARLEY THOUGH
Face it, slick. She's ruined Ivy.
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>>90294583
Jesus Batman you sadistic fuck.
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>>90295077
>Why do you like this character?
>No one wants to spoon feed you

You don't even know, do you?
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>>90295087
No Black Mask is actually Aaron Black in disguise
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>>90295113
MEH!
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>>90295024
Not a fan myself, but I'd assume people like him less because of his backstory and more because of his personality. He's a sadistic fuck, tortures the hell out of people. In Brubaker's Catwoman he cuts out a guy's eyes and makes his wife eat them.

In the same way Batman is a vigilante turned up to eleven, Black Mask is a mob boss turned up to eleven. All the mafia cliches of guys getting cement shoes and stuff, multiply that by ten for what Black Mask will do, and so for almost a decade he was Batman writers' go-to mob boss guy.

In recent years that role has kind of been supplanted by Penguin, but that's a newer interpretation, so I imagine people who started reading Batman between Cataclysm and the start of Morrison's run might be pretty familiar with Mask.
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>>90295152
You can post art if you want, you can fap to it if you want, I don't care.

At the end of the day Harley/Ivy has sapped Ivy of any other relationship and character, and I think we can both agree that's bad.
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>>90295035
And then Jason killed him in a different DLC mission
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>>90295197
Tombstone, but edgy sadist instead of albino black man. I can dig it.
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>>90295220
>At the end of the day Harley/Ivy has sapped Ivy of any other relationship

Good

>and character

I agree on that though
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>>90295292
Never thought of that comparison, spot on.
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Get Mark Strong on the phone
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>>90295345
But then who'll play Sinestro?!
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>>90295300
No, not good. Because that was how Poison Ivy was defined.

If you don't give a shit about Ivy then whatever, but at least admit you just want to see Harley lez out with anybody.
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I wonder who it could be...
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>>90295394
I care about Ivy and Harley having a monogamous relantionship with a marriage and kids involved
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Wait so Batman just let Joker shoot that guy a bunch of times in the chest?
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>>90295549
How the fuck did he miss?
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Batman getting triggered!
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>>90295663
Now you just Wait a minute here...
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>>90295663
>ruining the upper-hand of surprise
coulda fuckin domed this roman polanski fella without a scuffle but nah
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>>90295481
So it's just for yuri. Okay, then. I reiterate: fuck off.
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Wasn't this scene in Avengers?
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>>90295113
She also had a soft spot for children. She's also lusted after Batman sometimes.

Pamela is tsundere for humanity.
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>>90294525
[citation needed]
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>>90295851
Her lusting after Batman is invalidated now that she's a dyke, so that's a point gone.
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>>90295817
It's a shame you can't enjoy them. Such a pity. Oh well
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>>90295024
what's the best Black Mask story?
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>>90295928
Believe it or not, some people are attracted to both genders. They're called bisexuals.
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>>90295990
AFAIK War Games is his biggest role.

The second trade of Brubaker's Catwoman has him in a pretty significant role.
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>>90295973
Shame you have to shit up my favourite Batman femme fatal for your stupid ship.
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>>90296037
Weird that someone on /co/ of all places wouldn't realize that.
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>>90296064
>Muh

Hahaha
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I like this Batmobile. I wish I could get it in Burnout Paradise
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>>90294447

That's what I thought Arkham Origins was going to be, but then HAHA JOKER XD
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I thought "pointless bar brawls" were more Slam Bradley's territory.
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>>90296171
What did they do with Black Mask in Origins?
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Be sure not to confuse Black Mask with Mr. Bones, the other skull-faced cigar smoking guy with great fashion sense.
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>>90296294
Turns out he was dead before the game started and it was Joker in disguise ALL ALONG!
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>>90296294
He was set up as the main villain in all the advertising material and in the story itself, then reveals about a third of the way through the game that the Joker attacked and kidnapped Black Mask prior to the story and had been impersonating him. So then for the rest of the game the villain was Joker.
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>>90296325
>>90296354
Huh. To what end?
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>>90296435
The game was supposed to be about Batman's first meeting with the Joker. As far as I can tell his plan was to distract Batman with the 12 assassins while Joker filled up a hotel with bombs and blew up the city?
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RETCON TIME!

Also this reveal is literally spoiled on the cover, I just noticed.
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>>90296435
Because, at the time, Joker was DC's version of 90's Wolverine.

There's no such thing as overexposure, wallpaper the media with him and cover everything with the character branding. "Why So Serious?" People love that shit! Joker! Joker! Joker!
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>But I thought you died!
>Nope!
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>>90292598
possibly the most boring Batman villain after Zsasz
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>>90296325
Black Mask wasn't dead.

>>90296473
The Joker basically kidnapped Sionis and impersonated him, using his funds to lure a group of assassins to Gotham to attack Batman in order to test him and feel him out. It was their first interaction after the Killing Joke style origin they gave Arkham Joker. For Origin's gameplay faults compared to the others, I think it had the best story.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgBBitvVHAg
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Lol wait David Ayer is making another Suicide Squad movie after how badly WB suits fucked his first?
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>>90296728
He didn't lash out like Trank did and stayed professional, taking the blame. So he gets to stay and make the movie he wants to make.
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>>90296728
He's making a Sirens movie, which Black Mask being the villain makes sense as he's more of a Catwoman villain now. Mel Gibson is in talks for Suicide Squad 2.
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One thing I love about comics: masks! In real life making a mask that can look lifelike even from a distance is an extraordinary task. In comics, everyone can make a mask that looks indistinguishable from a real face with common household items!
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Now if this isn't meta, I don't know what is.
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Joker confirms at last 100% that Steph counts as a Robin
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>>90296722
>Black Mask wasn't dead.
My bad, it's been a while.

Origins really did have an interesting core premise with the assassins, some killer boss fights, and most of the character designs were solid (Firefly is lame, let's turn him into THE FURY) but the limp gameplay and general uneven execution made it feel more like a $20 standalone DLC than a full game. Or, at least, that's what I recall.
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>>90292598
>>90293481
>>90293762
I hope he captures, tortures, rapes and amputates/disfigurates the girls.
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>>90296951
A $20 DLC stretched out to 25 hours, that is.

All I want is a Batman game that's just you zipping around a huge Gotham city, solving crimes and mysteries, without all the big overdone "I'm gonna blow up the city" plots. The best part of Knight is after you beat the game, just driving around going through the side missions and solving puzzles.
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>>90296952
Shh, not tears, only love now
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Basically I want a Batman simulator, but preferably not one I have to drop 500 bones to get a VR set for.
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>>90297041
IMO, Harley/Ivy is just like Dick/Midnighter. It's not really in-character, but it's pretty hot and cute.
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>>90296951
I thought the gameplay was a little repetitive since it wasn't the main Rocksteady crew doing the game. However, I think the story and character designs were easily the best of the series.
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>>90297083
It's in character now boi. You better accept it

Trolling aside, yeah I agree with you
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>>90297102
As a big fan of Bane, I was glad they got to revisit him and do him right. Until the end of the game, of course.
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>>90292598
DCEU will screw it up, but I'd like a good Black Mask interpretation. He was mostly fodder in Under the Red Hood, then a putz in Origins. I want to see him as his classic manipulative, maniacal classic self.
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>>90294505
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>>90296869
>>90296888
Well that was convenient.
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>shirtless Batman
imokwiththis.jpg
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>>90297137
Why can Dini, of all people, not write Bane? The DCAU, the first two Arkham games... It's like someone was trying to explain the character to him and he just went "Yep, luchador on steroids, got it." and went to work.
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>>90297273
Technically he didn't write the Bane episode, so that one's not on him. But I have to wonder if he ever read any of Knightfall because he was working on the show, and several other shows, the entire time that was coming out. So maybe he just saw Batman & Robin and called it a day?
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>>90297273
Dini seems stupidly fickle with him. He pretty much admits he never actually read any Bane stuff, and acts like that's a good thing.
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I remember at least one interview for Arkham City where the interviewer asked, I think it was Sefton Hill, if Bane was going to be in the game, and he said something like "Yes, we heard from fans that they were disappointed by his portrayal in the last game, and we wanted to make him more intelligent in this one"

And then ultimately what that amounted to was Bane standing in a room waiting for you to collect ten Bear Asses for him, you get a fun little team-up battle that may have partially inspired the ones in Knight, and then he gets locked in an elevator by Batman for the rest of eternity.
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hope they go with death mask and not black skull mask. Always hated that design.

>>90293360
he's already got that, his origin story is goat
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>>90297481
Do you know what comic/issue that is?
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>>90293525
but thats his best look, i hope they go with that version
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>>90297453
By the way, that's Odessa, Texas folks! A notorious shithole for meth-heads (sorry Odessa residents).
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Nice of Batman to acknowledge he spends a lot less time detectiving
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Probably talking about the Hulk
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>>90296616
zsasz is fucking great when written by Grant
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What a completely rational and sensible decision, Leslie.
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>>90297505
its late 200 on detective comics i think, it was a few issues long actually. Just type in "blackMask first appearance" or something

Batman '89 takes a large amount of inspiration from it
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And that's it. Leslie's a killer. Or is she?!

Yeah, everyone hated this, so a few years later it was retconned that Leslie faked Stephanie's death and covered it all up, which doesn't exactly jibe with this whole story.

And because there's not allowed to ever be something Batman didn't know, he reveals then that he totally knew the whole time she wasn't dead. Comic books!

>>90297835
Looked it up, Batman #386. I think I'll be reading that as well, thanks!
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>>90297912
Fun times. Thanks for that.

And at least you aren't in El Paso.
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>>90297912
Check out Batman 518-520 after, great story and also features on of my fave D-Listers, Black Spider II
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Could've been worse. Could've been fucking Hush.
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>>90293360
I was so hyped when he got anounced as the vilian for Arkham Origins
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>>90294460
Fuck Rucka for being complacent in this
wannabe lesbian manlet doesn't really care about female characters that don't suit his fetish
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>>90295483
>that face
>that gun that makes no sense whatsoever

Absolutely great.
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>>90292598
AKA the joker BKA shit people are tired of seeing countless times.
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>>90293525
They won an Oscar you fucking cunt show some goddamn respect
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>>90294505
They won an Oscar? KEK! Knowing how much people loathe SS that must of hurt, even if it was just for costumes or whatever. I swear everytime i decide not to watch these things something funny happens. Shit!
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>>90301744
Well shit i looked it up and people are salty as predicted, SS keeps winning!
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>>90294565

Nobody saw Moonlight either and it won best picture
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>>90292598
I remember when he was supposed to be the villain of The Batman. Guess they've got DA JOKAH BABY in it now.
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>>90292598
I can imagine DiCaprio doing a pretty good Black Mask.
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What will be his intro song?
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>>90292598
Sounds good, I guess the sirens steal something from Black Mask? I hoped that he would be the main villain of the batman solo, but this is good. Just as long as Ayer gets more than 6 weeks to write the script and doesn't make everyone covered in tattoos
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>>90301744
Twitter was full of salty as fuck comments. Pretty funny actually.
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>>90305393

Ayer won't write it.
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Watch as it'll be just a guy in a fetish mask.
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>>90307853
You mean a whole gimp suit.
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>>90307853

I don't get it why people are posting things like this in this thread. Has Suicide Squad tuned down the comic book aspect of the characters costume or something like that?
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>>90294234
>she is a bit younger
She's almost 15 years younger. I don't even think Batman and Catwoman are going to be a thing in this universe.
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>>90309399
I guess you don't know about Gimp Mask in Red Hood and the Outlaws? It was actually a pretty entertaining arc and I liked it a lot.
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>>90310293
Unless Batman likes them young
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>>90310698
I could see this older Batman thing for a chance to get Catwoman off the ground. DC been trying to make people care about her for years.
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>>90310778
>people don't care about Catwoman

wut
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>>90310828
They really don't. They think they do but every time she's in the spotlight it fails poorly.
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>>90292598
It's the Joker in disguise.

Joker sells tickets.
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>>90310920
Not the guy you're responding to but wut?
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>>90310330
>That moment he takes off the black mask to reveal his black mask underneath
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>>90310991
Her solo books fail
Her solo movies can't get off the ground
DC want her to be the next Harley Quinn, but she can't even beat the interest of B-listers now. She use to be popular in the 90s but people don't give a fuck about her solo adventures anymore.
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>>90311062
>Her solo books fail
Unless your name is Wonder Woman or Harley Quinn, most every female-led capeshit book fails. The difference being that there's actually acclaimed Catwoman runs.

>Her solo movies can't get off the ground
She had ONE movie that was titled "Catwoman", which is the only thing that it ever had in common with Selina. Hell, the lead character was called Patience Phillips and the movie was nothing like comic Catwoman.

>DC want her to be the next Harley Quinn
WUT
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>>90311062
>solo movies can't get off the ground

What "movies"? She "had" ONE movie, you know, the one that DID get off the ground (unfortunately, imo).
You seem to be all over the place.
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