Why is Iceman the forced gay one and not beast? Beast doesn't

>>90242483
Making the furry gay would be a little on the nose.

>>90242492
He doesn't have to be a furry anymore

>>90242483

Why not Angel? Isn't he the most effeminate one?

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>>90242483
Because Hank was the crossdresser.
And Warren was the androgynous one.
And Jean was the lesbian.
But if it makes you feel any better, Xavier and Magneto had a long-term pre-existing relationship that ended over a divide about if mutants should live openly as homo superiors.

... Or did you mean "FORCED"??? as in "no one's ACTUALLY gay???

This is the wrong board for that conversation.

>>90242483
Beast actually claimed to be gay once.

It didn't stick, he later said he was fucking with people.

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>>90242648
Wait a minute... are you saying that someone can actually LIE about their sexual preferences ?
... AND that Marvel was aware of that phenomenon ???

>>90242483
because Beast isn't gay, he is a faggot.

>>90242492
Imagine all the bara porn.

Of any thing Angel should be the gay one they can make him gay and it would be because his personalty and mind have been raped so hard and so often that his "true" self is finally free

>>90242648
he said he was gay because he didn't want to date a girl so she told the media and Hank never corrected them

>>90242483
Because Iceman was nosing around the vagina of the waifu of every fanboy writer who fell in love with the X-books in the 80's.
And unfortunately for Iceman, he's a product of the 60's, and therefore not a self-insert for any of them.

>>90242911
You could just find it.

>>90242968
Fairly sure he said that to spite her because she broke up with him for being a mutant.

>>90242752
Lance is such a gay name.

>>90242483

Bendis is making sure he never puts his cold fingers on his waifu again.

>>90243004
I legit wonder if this was actually the reason.

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>>90242483
The only other one you can make premature ejaculation joke wih his power is Cyclops, but because everybody know about "JEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAN" they chose Iceman

>>90243401
I can't believe Jean and Young Bobby are getting solo books. The X-men line is in dire shape.

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>>90243318
I wonder if that was Stan Lee's reason too?

>>90243657
> it's that one guy taking out of context screenshots defending bendis at every turn

>>90243669
You're not seeing the inherent hypocrisy of your argument here, are you?
You are making unsupportable claims of cruel bigoted petty abuse of telepathic abilities by Jean Grey, with no evidence ever given that her powers could even accomplish what you claim she did as a rookie telepathic manipulator, unobserved, right under the nose of four other skilled and trained telepaths with permanent effect.
You aren't even explaining ... oh, I don't know...
WHY SHE STOPPED MANIPULATING PEOPLE???
You say it was done so casually, with such disregard for people, and for such a small reason...
Where are all the other victims? Why would she have stopped? What was so much more offensive about Bobby's behavior that wasn't about anyone else's that she's stopped cold turkey?
Can you make any case at all for your headcanon without resorting to faulty reasoning? You're just making idiotic proclamations that are directly contradicted by the comics. And you're too dumb to notice.

>>90243855
I forgot you also have this autistic delusion that didn't exist before bendis' lazy retcon. Man, fuck off bitch I don't need you bitching for representation of my fellow fags.

>>90243855
But why would bobby be gay in the past and straight in the actual past for over 60 years.

It was stupid and Jean making him gay is the only way it makes any sense.

>>90243401
That whole premature power thing would be far less creepy if the snow wasn't white.

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>>90243318
It is, Kitty Pryde has been reserved pussy for the various big writer's self-inserts at Marvel.

The whole movie connection between them sorta inspired a ship that they couldn't control.
Then they introduce an Iceman who was more or less age appropriate for Kitty, and that had to be shut off fasto. So they had X-Waifu #2 put teh gay on him.

>>90243934
They explained this in the comic.
In the very same issue you're complaining about.
Read the fucking words on the comic page for once.

>>90244023
Okay, then explain it to me. I can't remember shit about this run except for the "BOBBY UR GAY" shit.

>>90243934
Bobby was always gay, that's canon now and I very much doubt Marvel's going to change that. No mind rape, not an illusion. Just a case of being in the closet for like 10 years (in Marvel time). It doesn't make sense? Well it's a fucking comic

>>90244021
Making shit up about comic characters and their motivations is called "headcanon"
Making shit up about IRL people and their motivations is called "delusional"
You are now behaving as a paranoid delusional would.
Go have your schitzo breakdown on /b/, at least there you'll fit in.

>>90244123
Weird that none of the telepaths in the original timeline picked up on that. Sure, maybe Jean and Chuck were too principled or something, but Emma was all up in his head (she lived in there for a while) and she's got zero fucking scruples.

>>90244126
>Making shit up
There's literally no other reason why they would make Iceman gay and let the resident evil psychic tell him.

>>90244123
But that's retarded. I'd accept if it was some divergent timeline shit, but why pull that on a character who was known for being a bit of a poonhound?

It's a sloppy retcon and I honestly don't see the point in it.

>>90244126
>thinking Kitty Pryde being Bendis' waifu is "delusional"
Have you read his GoTG?

>>90242483
Because Jean wants the spiny cat dick Beast gets once he goes furry. She doesn't want popsicle dick.

If you can't even follow a simple story concept like this then why are you even pretending that you read the comics?

God I hate Jean.

Just fucking kill her.

Christ.

>>90244123
Weird that he was written for years as being emotionally honest.

>http://www.cbr.com/carey-on-manifest-destiny-and-x-men-orgins-beast/
>"one of Iceman's best personality traits is that emotionally Bobby Drake is like the ice he manipulates -- not cold but transparent. 'He's devastatingly honest. He is very up-front with his emotions and his thoughts all the time.

It was a total 180 for his character, not just because it weakens his prior relationships with women, but because at his core, he's not a character who would bury his emotions like that.

>>90244341
Get rid of all the O5. I'd rather have adult jean back than any of them a day longer.

>>90244300
Can you even explain what the fuck your board-rule-breaking pornographic bestiality fantasy has to do whatsoever with motivating this girl you think is such a vile slut, to psychically murder someone's identity?

Why, in you sick fantasy, would that be necessary at all?

Or did you just need any excuse at all to post about animal dicks?

>>90244345
Really? It's out of character for a gay guy to say brutally honest and inappropriate things in a casual and thoughtless manner?

And here I thought you guys were the bigots who were relying on obvious stereotypes...

>>90244446
It's out of character for a totally honest character to be deep in the closet for over a decade.

>>90244452
over four decades, almost five

>>90244452
Wow, so you're resting your entire argument on the notion that this third-party description is literal irrefutable Marvel canon despite the innumerable examples one could find of Bobby telling all sorts of lies in stories??????

Good luck with that.

>>90244491
I mean in-universe.

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>>90242911
>>90243022
>No one draws cat Hank pics anymore
>Only one good gorilla Hank pic

>>90242483
Because filthy fujos only want to see pretty boys fucking other men
/co/ wants to see bara furries fucking other men, on the other hand

>>90244452
>>90244505
People in real life do it for longer.
And it "not being in character" is the ask that society makes when it demands (under threat of persecution) that homosexuals not be OUT.

What did you think the character was for all this time?
An immature and undisciplined professional superhero who can't maintain stable relationships or focus on self improvement long enough to reach his full potential?
Was that who Bobby was at his core?
... and who never matures beyond a juvenile personality over two decades?
Who didn't face things like an adult?
... and who once lied about losing his mutant powers on M-day?
Because he once again just didn't want to be what he was?

I'll just wait for Ewing to reverse it. He's been the Marvel universe's continuity janitor for the past few years anyway.

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>>90244646
>who can't maintain stable relationships or focus on self improvement long enough to reach his full potential?
Yeah, as opposed to all the other heroes with stable relationships. And the decision that Bobby was the Gawd of All Ice, Destroyer of Worlds was a fairly recent bit of writer ass-pull.

>>90244646
>Was that who Bobby was at his core?
He was surrounded by telepaths and had one living in his head.
They would have fucking known.

>>90244699
>"They would have fucking known."

I'm just going to let this be the last word on the matter and let logical consistency do the rest.

>>90244345
Iceman confirmed for not being gay

And was just forced by jean

>>90242968
Morrison's Beast was amazing.

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>>90244666
I hope so with those Satan trips

Make Iceman straight and great again

>>90244666
Make it so devil trips.
Make it so.

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>>90244666
At this point he should be on a Damage Control book.

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>>90244126

>Making shit up about IRL people and their motivations is called "delusional"

It's not made up. Here's an acknowledgement inside an actual, canon Marvel comic reference of the fact Bendis is obsessed with Kitty Pryde.

>>90245377
>Ewing on Damage Control
>they fix both collateral damage and metanarrative continuity problems

>>90242483
>Beast doesn't even have a significant relationship
Did Abigail move on to Carol already?

>>90245484
>so kooky!

http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/63223235679/representation-for-us-gay-guys-in-comic-books
http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/57910090516/brian-a-lot-of-readers-still-think-iceman-is-gay

Really gets the gears turning.

>>90246293

I'm not arguing that gwenpool is a good character, I'm arguing Iceman was turned gay to keep him away from Kitty Pryde because she's Bendis waifu.

>>90246306
What happened to Bendis and why has no one put him out of his misery?

>>90242483
Iceman was the most traditionally masculine member of the group so, of course, he had to be a gay person overcompensating for his insecurities.

>>90245484

Didn't ultimate Kitty Pryde dated for a while a guy who looked suspiciously a lot like Bendis?

I know this is all headcanon but nobody here is explaining why Jean Grey would fucking turn Iceman gay. It doesn't make any sense either.

>>90246831
She's a cunt that hates iceman for not liking her back

>>90246701
No he wasn't lel. And even if he was that doesn't mean he can't be gay.

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>>90242483
The Iceman butthurt is strong in this thread.

Beast is dating Abigail Brand. Apparently he is a fucking BEAST in bed. It helps that Abigail is freaky in bed, too.

>>90246831

Shes's the kind of cunt who'll get in to your mind without permission and then get mad at you for what she finds there. Turning someone gay because she didn't like him having dirty thoughts about her seems like something she would do.

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>>90246831
Because Marvel telepaths are possibly the biggest assholes to ever exist.

>>90246869
Retarded logic

>>90242492
gays would love it though

>>90246933
She would have to turn every male teammate gay then. Not a good explanation.

>>90242483
Weird how there's suddenly so many dedicated Iceman fans on /co/.

>>90242483
Because that's what Jean wanted to happen.

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>>90244300
Actually, the saddest part is you are right. Jean was willing to pay for pictures of Beast naked.

I apologize, but I could only find the page in Spanish.

TBF to Jean, she also went to great lengths to catch Angel naked, too.

>>90246869
Lol so why would she want Iceman to like her? And why wouldn't she just mindrape him to like her back if that was the case?

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>>90244518
I feel your pain. Cat Beast was aesthetically dynamic and unique.

Simone Bianchi would still draw Cat Beast after the shitty Bendis change.

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>>90242483
Bobby looks better in tights.

>>90247283
>They look almost exactly alike
>Right down to the same curls on their foreheads

>>90247338
>My own Clone!

>>90242483
1) Bendis' Punishment against Mark Millar and other writers and the X-Men movies for daring to pair Bobby up with the perfection that is Kitty Pryde.

2) they needed Beast to also be in love with Jean so Teen Hank and Scott, that spineless wimp would have a similar dynamic as the adult versions, which is also dumb because at the time from when left to go into the future Wallpaper Warren was a very legit contender for Jean's heart and could have just bumped that up.

>>90247179
She wasn't doing it consciously. She just figures that anyone who doesn't want to stick their dick in her poison womb must love the cock. If you ask me, though, it just shows that Bobby had good sense. Jean's vagina has never been anything but trouble.

>>90247507
Nice fanfic, m8

>>90247647
It's terrible tho

>>90247111
Iceman is the spiderman of the xmen
He's the default go to favorite guy

>>90247179
She's a cunt and a stupid one at that

>>90247338
Leave Bobby's Latin interspecies love interest alone.

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>>90242483
Beast had Trish Tilby throughout the 80's and 90's before Morrison ruined that too, also he's an Avenger and Avengers can't be gay.

>>90247775
Still no explanation. Ok then.

>>90245484
Except Gwenpool is a comic reader so that's just something she picked up from /co/

>>90242483
Beasy didn't date an hermaphrodite

>>90242483
That's a really cool modernised costume on Cyclops, I dig it

So is is young Bobby still a jokester or is 'coming to terms with sexuality' his only characterization now?

>magically turn Iceman gay
>Iceman
>the guy who has been through like 40 goddamn girlfriends
>who has been puttin' the cool whip on every mound of poon thats walked by the X Mansion
>the guy who's been sharing his ice cream with every pair of lips above and below on every ho outside the X Mansion

I fucking hate current Marvel. I wish they'd dissolve the fucking comics side and just focus on movies at this point, because the movies are ending up better than all of their fucking comics nowadays.

>>90248025
He's still the same shitty character. He just fuck boys now.

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>>90247871
Abigail and Beast are objectively perfect.

Pic courtesy of Steven Sanders

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>>90246912
Not for long.

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>>90248341
Nothing can come between committing crimes against nature. Abigail likes it freaky and furry.

>>90247736
Please. Iceman has never been the favorite of anybody who wasn't already gay.

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>>90246761
Kong was literally Bendis

>>90247736
How can you say that when Wolverine exists?

>>90242483
Because Beast was already popular.

Out of the original five, Iceman has always been the least popular in spite of all his "hidden potential" the comics keep using as a plot device.

>>90248685
Oh boy.
Fuck you bendis.
Fuck you so much.

>>90249920
Angel was always the least popular

>>90244071
>Original Iceman was just closeted the whole time since he was created :^)

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>>90245484
Bendis had a great thing with Peter and Kitty

If he had the balls to do it in 616

>>90250285
I'm pretty sure plenty of gay men have come out later in life after having relationships with women, so why are you shitposting?

>>90242483
You're right, young beast should top young iceman

>>90243637
It's adult bobby

>>90250503
Not anon but let me tell you why I'm shitposting.
Tell me one thing Iceman does as a queer character better than wiccan? Or Northstar?
Tell me one thing Whor does better as a feminist Asgardian then Sif? Or Valkyrie?
Riri and Rohdes?
Shitposting fo' life yo.

>>90250399
The one continuity where I'm not a Pete and MJ fag

>>90250752
At least you admit it. The ones who pretend nobody can see what they're doing are so tiresome.

>>90250020
Have there been heroes who's only schtick is winged flying who's really been popular?

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Simone Bianchi's art is so good his beast design was god tier also he looked pretty hot

>>90251287
Hawkman

>>90252029
Not really that popular.
He's also an alien wielding a Morgenstern,he has sort of a broader schtick.

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>>90250647
So I guess it is going to be about how Bobby is embarrassingly shit at using his power.

>>90248787
He has an ugly costume and he doesn't act like spiderman

>>90248572
>assigning gender prefrences

>>90247902
She got rejected by him
She got confused concluded he was gay and raped his brain by projecting it

Its not hard to understand

>>90243039
>>90242968
It was obvious he just said it in jest that one time and Morrison had to write something in later because autistic neckbeards can't into everyday social interactions.
So he came up with a funny way to bring it up and set it straight (no pun intended) in-universe.

>>90248081
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Is it that time again?

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>>90249969
Kong was a cool guy.

>>90255269
Is this still an edit?

>>90255600
The fourth one is the original page.

>>90246831
Maybe she didn't mean to.

1. Teenage Jean comes to the future
2. Here in the future, it's trendy for girls to have a gay friend. All the cool women on TV have gay friends
3. Her desire for a gay friend imposes itself on Bobby and makes him gay

She doesn't have to do it on purpose.

>not knowing Beast's time on the Avengers when he was fucking different girls weekly

we'll never get best beast back

>>90246076
Would be amazing.

>>90248787
Wolverine is more comparable to deadpool.

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>>90251342
Agreed. I loved how expressive Bianchi drew Beast. That design was god tier and did look hot.

>>90256642
It seems like you're desperately trying to come up with an in-universe reason for why Bobby, who's been portrayed as having several relationships with women, would (nonsensically) be revealed to as gay, while trying to pin the blame on a character you dislike.

And, to add insult to injury, both of us know the real reason Bobby was "revealed" as gay was due to Bendis wanting to get ridof any chances Bobby had at defiling his waifu. I understand that's a bullshit reason, and is also incredibly unsatisfying, but it's the truth.

Jean Grey didn't manipulate Bobby into becoming gay, Bendis just eliminated a potential love interest for his ficticional crush, which is actually worse.

Oh hey, another thread that acts like Bobby hasn't been closet gay forever

X-Men 2 didn't use that metaphor randomly

Oh hey, another thread that acts like Bobby has been closet gay forever

fixed

>>90261944
and he used jean's power to force him to be gay

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>>90261944
To be fair Jean can't go a single issue without a "Jean you're abusing your powers" scene, and by that point she'd already used her powers to manipulate the minds of her teammate.

So there is actually more precedent for Jean being the impetus for Bobby's sexuality than for it to have happened out of nowhere.

>>90262910
Or he just came out later in life. I know at least two guys who did that, one of them with a wife and kids.

>>90262910

No. That's stupid. And you're stupid for trying to perpetual a terminally unfunny meme.

>>90254184
I can't even say he's outright shit at his power. he clearly does not remember anything he learns after an arc/writer and gets reset to nearly pre-Claremont levels each time.
Xavier's been shat on enough for this decade. I think what we need is the revelation that Jean Grey and Emma Frost have actually been periodically mindwiping Bobby out of fear that he may upstage them with the full breadth of his omega level abilities.

>>90262910
>and by that point she'd already used her powers to manipulate the minds of her teammate

You mean that thing she did, got told in no uncertain terms that if she did it again her most important supporter would actively turn on her, that she never did again?

That precedent?

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Peter David is really to blame. He kept inserting the Iceman is gay references because the X-Factor fanbase only shipped the male characters.

>>90244208
It makes AoA Bobby the most noble of all mutants that were in the 616. While all of the 616 X-men were wasting time he immediately went to work impregnating as many women as possible in order to carry on the mutant race. We must not forget the sacrifice he made via banging as many whores as mutantly possible.

>>90242483
Bendis

>>90247938
Or just from reading comics since it's in writing that Kitty Pryde is his waifu. Luke Cage is his bara husbando that takes precedence for him as apparently everyone on staff already knows but when deprived of a change to be toppled by the power dick he goes to Kitty.

>>90242483
>That dialogue

Good lord that's bad.

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>>90242483

Jim Shooter please make comics great again and purge the gay out of comics

>>90263833
Emma wouldn't do that without a really good reason like he endangers the younger mutants. Jean may though

>>90264186
Shooter probably wouldn't give a fuck about gays though. He would care that it's a shit writing decision. He just wants good scripts on time, and serviceable art on time

Because Bendis wanted to self insert himself as Hank to date Jean.

>>90264324
As far as Emma's concerned he's just been suppressing his powers due to personal shit all along. Older Jean might do it subconsciously.

>>90263940
Also that issue of Uncanny where he took Rogue home with him as a beard to meet his asshole father.

>>90264379
no gay policy of the 80s was good though

>>90246831
I'm guessing you failed to notice that she's been written as the sort that would invasively alter a person's mental identity on a whim for over a year before that. This coupled with the way the pages of the actual issue was presented made the default response of anyone that was reading said issue to first go "Did Jean just turn Iceman gay?" as their initial response. Looking at it a second time made it worse because you notice that it appears she did it in response to not getting enough attention as Bobby DARED to find a female other than her as the most sexually attractive. If it had been some other writer then perhaps we'd come to a different conclusion but Jean has been consistently egotistical to the point that Cyclops no longer having any attachment to her when they had already broken up and she was dating other people was some great tragedy. She literally honed her powerset to be able to get stronger the more attention she gets. How much of an egomaniac do you have to be to think of such a thing?
NuJean has consistently been written as an egotistical petty teenager more than capable of mindraping her fellow peers.

>>90264464
Sounds more like the CCA than Shooter considering Claremont's X-Men

>>90255125
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>>90255226
>>90255269

Wtf? that's messed up.

>>90265062
it's an edit dumbass

>>90264747
It was, and it's older than that.

I like the idea of Iceman being bi and trying to fuck everyone not the little Twink young Bobby we have now

>>90266236
They could always just have him say he's reconsidered and going to label himself that way later. Of course, in practical terms he needs a steady boyfriend or string of them to make it stick. It would just add more legitimacy to previous relationships.

>>90266236
Going the bi route would probably be the best, he could say he was suppressing his homolust side, but when he came out he swung too far in the other direction. No need for any retconning.

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>>90265062
There's more of these

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>>90266236
Bisexuality is a 4chan meme

Its still faggotry

Straight is the only way

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>>90242483
>this entire thread.

>Nobody mentions Beast and Wonder Man who were totally a fucking couple.

I knew /co/ didn't read comics but jesus christ.

>>90242597

this

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>>90242597
Wasn't Angel already dating X-23 when Bobby was outed? Of course, fucking women is apparently not a sure sign that one is heterosexual.

>>90269610
Wondy and Hank always struck me as just clicking as buddies.
I doubt it was ever sexual in any way, just instantaneous closeness that is a different form of intimacy not related to lust.

And most of the posters on these constant Iceman threads are just trolls who know there's an excuse to off-topic gaybash non-stop now.
In every one they always expose their complete lack of comic knowledge without any shame and then just turn around and post more attacks.
Same thing with the constant "Red Skull was right" threads and "Marvel's going bankrupt because SJW" threads that are put up every single day.
It's just constant shitposting on the board that isn't policed.
Thank god the pedos haven't discovered this board yet.

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>>90263940

Question: Who here is basing everything they shitpost on the lie that they don't understand what it means for a gay man to be in the closet?

>>90271443

But Beast brought Wonder Man roses! And kissed him! How gayer do they need to get before it looks like they're a couple?

>>90246831
Honestly, I'm going along with it because I just figured out that a psychic girl making people gay without their knowledge just because she's a bitch is a new fetish of mine.

>>90273168

In the real world, anyone around you could be in the closet, or be keeping any other secrets, and you would never know unless they told you. In comics, when we've been able to read a person's THOUGHTS, it doesn't make any sense to claim they've been in the closet for 50 years.

>>90260278
Since when did Beast learn lesson five?

>>90263491
He didn't come out later in life though, that's young Bobby. Supposely he repressed it for so long he turned Hetro.

>>90267016
That would require Marvel actually think for a change and not be controversial for the sake of either brownie points or pissing people off

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>>90242558
I complained too when I first heard about this movie. It's getting to the point of discrimination with these caricature stereotypes assigned to anthropomorphic animals. It's downright insulting to furries and otherkin for companies to continually play up these racial stereotypes. Furries have been dealing with this sorta thing for a long time and I for one am tired of it. It needs to fucking STOP. Not every fox needs to be a sly criminal, bunnies don't have to be oversexualized bubbly thumpers, and don't get me started on how they portrayed all the predators going crazy off a fucking drug. Come on. Cannibal is only on a rise in Papa New Guinea and that's among regular humans, it is not furries eating people. This whole issue has me worked up and I don't think laying out in the sun is going to calm me down right now. Fuck disney and fuck this movie.