They keep rushing

I don't even care enough anymore to get angry or disappointed. At this point I just hope for the best and expect the worst.

"Wonder Woman" sounds alright based on the recent spoilers and "Aquaman" has a pretty solid cast.

>>90191142
WB cares more about getting whatever shekels they can get without caring than the almost certain higher volume they would if they gave a fuck.

I would literally not care about any of this if the scripts were good.

But alas, they are not.

How many more films until DC crashes and burns guys?

>>90191142
At least they aren't rushing Green Lantern

;_;

>>90191142

How is that rushing?

>doing Nightwing before Robin
Affleck has been Batman for years in that universe.
You dont need to do 3 Robin solo-flicks before introducing Nightwing.
Plus: Robin was already mentioned two times.

>Death of Superman and Dark Night Returns in the second film
So? Knightfall and DKR was used in Nolans 3rd movie.
They always adapt the most famous storylines for the movies.

>Zod in the first Superman film
>Ares in the first Wonder Woman film
Because using Ras Al Ghul in the first Batman movie was a worse decision than Mandarin in the 3rd Iron-Man, right?

>showing Parademons and the omega symbol before Darkseid ever makes an appearance
>Crisis Flash's warning to Bruce before he ever meets the Flash.
foreshadowing... its okay when its done in comics, but reeee if its in one of my mature comicbook flicks

>>90191639
Ras Al Ghul was pretty bad in Begins desu

>>90191639
>Affleck has been Batman for years in that universe.
Affleck has been Batman in one movie.
>Knightfall and DKR was used in Nolans 3rd movie.
Third movie was the last movie, not first one of the series.

>>90191142
Alright Marvelbros, how can we stop DShit?

>>90191888
Let them continue.

DC/WB was never going to do Robin. They are embarrassed by the property in live action.

>>90191764
>cherry picking points

your family must be so proud of you

>>90191888
Fuck Marvel and fuck patethic vermin like you.

>>90191764

>Affleck has been Batman in one movie.
And that one movie acknowledges that he has been Batman prior the events of this film.

>Third movie was the last movie, not first one of the series.
BvS was the second in the series, not the first.

>>90191639
>foreshadowing

It was the worst foreshadowing that I saw in a movie. Completely out of nowhere.

The scene is practically a meme.

>>90192057
Haha no, this fag here >>90191888 is likely false flaging ironically, implying that you need to be a marvelfag to find the movies shit.

>>90192035
>And that one movie acknowledges that he has been Batman prior the events of this film.
Not him, but it's generally better to show rather than tell, otherwise it just comes off feeling hollow.

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>>90192140

Why didnt they release the prequels before Episode IV?
I dont believe this Obi-One nigga has been a Jedi for years.

>>90192273
You're right, and that's a common complaint. We never see how great the Republic and the Jedi supposedly were. We never really see WHY the Empire is so evil and needs to be stopped.

Admittedly, after the prequels came out, we STILL didn't see these things, but that's an entirely different problem.

>>90191142
Why you still care, OP? DCEU is a mess and I have no hope for them anymore.

>>90192273
Difference is that Obi-Wan wasn't acting extremely OOC compared to most versions of the character, it was actually Obi-Wan's introduction to the audience.

>>90192035
>BvS was the second in the series, not the first.

Are you retarded?

>>90191142
>Ares in the first Wonder Woman film
How is this rushing? Diana has like, two villains, Ares and Cheetah, and Cheetah doesn't work as a big bad.

>>90192428
What about Circe?

How many movies DC movies they are planning to do?

>>90191142
>Why does DC and WB keep trying to rush their universe?

It's a desperate and very obvious attempt to try to copy Marvel.

>>90192443
There are already like, 4 spin-offs based on Bat-related characters.

>>90192389
It wasn't a problem as long as the OT were the only films. They were self-contained.

But once you start elaborating, the audience will expect certain things. That's why the prequels and TFA fell short, they're full of holes. Just as the prequels never did deliver those things, the TFA sequels won't help.

You shouldn't rely on expanded universe material, put that shit in the actual films.

>>90192427
no, you

>>90192443
In the pre-production? 15.

Wonder Woman and Justice League are coming out this year and Aquaman coming out next year.

>>90192531
>In the pre-production? 15
>15
Please tell me you are joking?

>>90192389
>the prequels were bad meme

I really can't expect anything other from a paid Disney shill.

You really wouldn't know what is amazing cinematography and deep themes even if it had sex with you. You can't say that you are a Star Wars fan without truly embracing all of it.

Kill yourself, prequel-hater mouse Disney shill, marvel is paying how much?

>>90192531
>15 freaking movies
Literally why?

>>90191142
>doing Nightwing before Robin
This is kind of dumb but it's not a real problem. Doing Nightwing after establishing that Robin is dead is dumb.
>Death of Superman and Dark Night Returns in the second film
Yeah, this was awful.
>Zod in the first Superman film
There was nothing inherently wrong with this.
>Suicide Squad before any of the villians show up in the hero films
And then they didn't bother to characterize most of them. Sad!
>Ares in the first Wonder Woman film
As opposed to who, Cheetah? And besides, this will be the only Wonder Woman movie, might as well go big.
>showing the entire Justice League in BvS
Shoving a bunch of Justice League trailers in right before the title fight of Batman v Superman, around 2 hours into the movie, is unparalleled hackery and corporate creative bankruptcy. This alone defeats all claims that BvS was "trying" anything or was an art film.
>showing Parademons and the omega symbol before Darkseid ever makes an appearance
Yeah, this was retarded, normies had no idea what was going on.
>Crisis Flash's warning to Bruce before he ever meets the Flash.
Yeah, retarded. Fuck the DCEU.

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>>90191142
>Why does DC and WB keep trying to rush their universe?

Robert Downey Jr

>>90192568
>>90192606
What's the problem? Marvel is the same. And that's not consolewars shit, I'm just saying they both go nuts with the planning.
All movie studios are doing it, really.

>>90192574
With Disney Wars I'm disappointed and angry. With the DCEU I'm more disappointed than angry,

Probably because the DCEU will end someday and the slate will be wiped again, while Disney Wars will always be canon as long as Disney owns it, which will be forever.

>>90192759
And the prequels were disappointing in hindsight, but not enough to make me angry, just chuckle and shake my head.

>>90192612
>Doing Nightwing after establishing that Robin is dead is dumb.
There's....more than one Robin
>>showing Parademons and the omega symbol before Darkseid ever makes an appearance
>Yeah, this was retarded, normies had no idea what was going on.
>>Crisis Flash's warning to Bruce before he ever meets the Flash.
>Yeah, retarded. Fuck the DCEU.
How is any of that retarded? Foreshadowing to things that are coming is a common trope. I don't give a shit about if normies know what's going on lol.
How autistic do you have to be to bitch about a movie showing Darkseid's henchman before he himself appears. Oh fuck, Intergang appeared in S:TAS first!! Fuck the DCAU!

>>90192713
He really is the only thing holding the MCU together now. I dunno if that was planned or not, but it's scary to think that he's it as far as cinematic glue goes.

This is from a DCfag btw.

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>>90192574
And here I was trying to have a civil debate with you. I don't blame you though. You probably think you're in the right. Regardless of what you think of me, I hope you have a nice rest of your day.

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>yfw watching this thread turn into a /v/ flavored shitshow

It's not the fact that DC is doing worse than Marvel or vice versa; it's the fact that the movies are objective garbage. It's like if someone were to tackle something like The Filth and make it a 90-minute quipfest. It's an insult to not only the fans of the source material, but also a direct statement of their lack of care for someone who wants to watch a good capeshit movie. I took my kids and sister to see BvS and they still hoped for a good capeflick even though they aren't into comic lore like me. We were so disappointed that we stopped giving a shit about dceu altogether.

>>90192807
Darkseid is all but confirmed to appear himself anyway, even just as a cameo.

>>90192744
Are Marvel currently planning 15 FREAKING MOVIES? Be honest because I really don't know

>>90191142
>Why does DC and WB keep trying to rush their universe?

Being able to rush in should have been DC's strength. They had the massive benefit of Superman and Batman being huge before hand and the JL cartoon was pretty damn popular among their target market while they were growing up. Warner could have dived head first in with Justice League and done solo movies for the popular characters after.

Open with Justice League, they've been working openly for a couple of years but they've never worked together. Hyperclan shows up, convinces the world they're here to help and quietly takes down the heroes, while imprisoned they find J'onn and he tells them the truth about Hyperclan being white Martians. They escape, rescue J'onn and regroup, differences are put aside and they plan how to take down Hyperclan by working together.
Follow Marvel's example of phases, a few of the League get solo movies, introduce a couple of new characters and work towards a big end game. Motherbox in one movie, Furies in another, Orion in something else, Apokolips and New Genesis are going to war and Earth is caught in the middle.

>>90192827
>it's the fact that the movies are objective garbage.
Subjective, more like. I'm a huge fan of Superman and I think this is a faithful adaption. It's a bit different, be he is Superman. I'm sorry you disagree.

>>90192807
>How is any of that retarded?

Because it's random, done just because Snyder wanted another dream sequence to make the movie less linear and as a terrible advertisement for future movies.

Bad writing.

>>90192568

Aquaman is going to start shooting soon, the rest are in the planning stages

Gotham City Sirens
Shazam
Black Adam solo
Nightwing
Deadshot solo
Green Lantern written by fucking Goyer

That's all.

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>>90192881
no it's pretty objective

They're never going to beat Marvel, because Disney has the entire world enthralled by everything they do. As long as DCEU films have their niche, it's okay.

>>90192924
and The Flash and just maybe Cyborg but I bet that's dead

Justice League Dark with Del Toro is dead but it just had a cartoon movie

>>90192744
>Marvel is the same
No they aren't. Marvel movies are mediocre, but Disney suites are seriously smart compared to WB and know how to plan their movies.

>>90192971
>As long as DCEU films have their niche
they don't not after those 3 massive piles of shit

>>90192858
Here's a chart of all the comic book movies coming out in the next few years (it's a bit outdated and I've scribbled all over it but ignore that lol).

>>90191888
We sit back and do nothing at all

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>>90192881
I bet that for you, to be a "true" Superman you just need to "want to save people" (which the DCEU Clark is more conflicted than most versions of the character anyway).

But why you think that this version capture who Clark is as a character?

Just so I can know if pic related doesn't fit all of your criteria.

>>90192971
>They're never going to beat Marvel

but Marvel can't even make a kino

Zack Snyder made a kino

>>90192951
RT critics are clearly being paid off. Every MCU and even fucking TFA are above 80%

>>90192858
They probably have ideas for 15 movies (if you include stuff like Doctor Strange 2&3 etc). I think 9 films are actually in production.

>>90192921
Its good writing when Marvel shoves in Not-Darkseid in every movie for 10 years before the actual payoff, right?!

>>90192971
The Nolan films carved out their niche, so TDKR survived in the year of Avengers despite the Bane memes. The DCEU hasn't so far.

>>90192924
>>90192983
And Harley solo movie and Batman who still in pre-production. Also, MOS2 and JL 2.

Nothing wrong with doing Nightwing, just make sure Snyder is nowhere near the property, would probably have his main antagonist assrape him as a joke.

>90193023
because they're this thing called "good" I know it's a foreign concept to you retards

also fuck your (You)

>>90193023
You should look for how the rating system work there.

And anyway, audience reaction on the site from regular people is 64, which is still mediocre at best and barely whatchable at worst.

>>90193023
The First Avenger deserves above 80%, despite having no Nazis

The Force Awakens should have had Man of Steel level scores if not for the hype and member berries

>>90193057
And Suicide Squad 2.

>>90193040
It was OK in the first avengers and GOT, but bad on AOU. The dream sequence on BvS was worse than Thanos on AOU tho, as well as the clips of JL.

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>>90192951
The percentage is just how many critics liked it, isn't it? I don't really care. There are other beloved movies on RT that have low percentages.

>>90193001
Forgot the picture

>>90193019
I don't need to explain myself or prove anything to you but I'll go with it. To me, Superman is just a modest man who cares a lot about Earth and doesn't want to hurt anyone. So I guess yeah, ultimately you "just" need to want to save people.
Clark's whole thing in BvS is that he believes Batman is going too far in his vigilantism and most of his lines are about doing the right thing, who matters, questioning his role on Earth, etc. It lines up with the comics to me. I definitely have some gripes but I think the good outweighs the bad.

>>90193057
The Harley solo was always going to be Sirens, the reports said female-centric

Just Chinese whispers again

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>>90193020
>Zack Snyder made a kino
sure he did

>>90193088
Man of Steel scores is too harsh

Maybe between SM3 and TASM1 scores

>>90192858
>Are Marvel currently planning 15 FREAKING MOVIES?

Probably a lot more. They've supposedly got movies planned through 2028, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-03/kevin-feige-marvels-superhero-at-running-movie-franchises#p1 and release 2 or 3 movies a year. There's 6 due in 2017-2018, GotG 2, Spider-Man, Thor 3, BP, Infinity War Part 1 and Ant-Man and The Wasp. Even if they step back to just 2 a year for 2019-2028, we're looking at 26 movies planned out.

>>90193023
>This meme again
1- You don't know how RT works. If a critic gives a film 6/10 it counts as a positive review- a Tomatometer score of 80% indicates that 8/10 critics thought the movie was at least a 6. The Average Critics Score is the average score given to the movie by critics. BVS' Tomatometer score is 28%~ but it's Avg score is 4.9.

2-WB has actually been caught paying for good reviews recently (for Shadow of Mordor).

3- WB owns RT.

>>90191142
HAHAHAHA! Wow you "people" really are scared! Trying so hard to spin EVERYTHING in a negative tone.

"B-but no mention of Ben Affleck..."

>>90191142
They're just trying to catch up with Marvel. Marvel's been working on their universe since 2008, and the higher-ups at WB want to somehow achieve the same thing in only 2-3 years, now that they've seen how much money they could make from it.

Of course, being executives, they're fucking retarded, and have no idea how anything works. They hire yesmen to tell them that their ideas are good because nobody sane would.

>>90193023
Why is The Force Awakens always mentioned in these threads?

I'm assuming that, because it's usually that one autist who does.

>>90193173
What is happening in this scene?

>>90192458
Exactly. Marvel's Nightwing movie was so successful that DC had to copy it ASAP.

>>90191142
>why do the keep rushing
To fucking try and catch up the the success of Marvel because they want those numbers?

Fucking duh dude.

>>90193148
Harley's actress herself announced that they are planning a solo.

And let's be honest, there a very big chance that most of movies they are announced are not going to happen and this is the problem.

>>90193202
Because it's a premium example of a horrible movie getting good scores just because it's made by Disney.
>because it's usually that one autist who does
You really gonna pretend only one person has ever noticed?

>>90193283
>You really gonna pretend only one person has ever noticed?
No, but it's usually the same autist who posts it in every DCEU thread.

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>>90193135
I respect your view of Superman, but I disagree with the idea that "just wanting to save people" is enough to make a good Superman.

Mainly because it is THE BASIC trait of 90% of comic book heroes on movies, and it doesn't make each one of them "a good Superman".

For me, Superman needs to be charismatic besides helping people, he is someone that tries to be an example and that people want to follow. This is why he gives the best motivational speeches.

But I don't see Snyderman being able to do this, he is playing a Superman with no charisma and barley any lines, which is a shame because Civil acting as himself feels more like Superman than when he is on the movies.

>>90193202
Marvel movies earned their praise and love, it didn't.

Companywarfags call the MCU mediocre and safe but TFA was ten times that and got ten times the accolades.

Plus MCU movies don't make the universe radioactive and the previous movies pointless, they just kill their villains early and undermine drama with quips.

>>90193232
Are you retarded? They tried to force SS into becoming GOTL without knowing what made it work.

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>>90193218

Lex offers the guy a Jolly Rancher, "it's cherry!" he says, as he has cherrypicked all of the cherry flavored ones out because they were his favorite. The guy is hesitant so Lex sticks it in his mouth, in a very homoerotic gesture

Now, as for what this scene really is, or what it contributes to the narrative, I can't really say. I've heard some argue that it demonstrates to the audience that Lex is powerful and he can do whatever he wants, but when I saw the movie I honestly did not interpret it that way, I just laughed out loud because it was gay as shit

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>>90193325
>For me, Superman needs to be charismatic besides helping people, he is someone that tries to be an example and that people want to follow. This is why he gives the best motivational speeches.
Yes, I agree! And that's part of his arc in DoJ. He'd been doing things the way he did them before, silently and subtlety, but that wasn't cutting it anymore and he realized that by the time he "died".
I understand if you think that's a dumb thing to do with the character, or they shouldn't have gone that direction, but I think it's interesting that this is something he has to learn-- being open about himself after hiding for so long.
He still has hints of that charisma when he's allowed to, with Lois and with his mom (the people closest to him) and with his speeches to Perry at the Planet. I think (hope) that he'll talk more once he comes back.

>>90193339
But why mention it?

It doesn't have anything to do with the MCU or DCEU.

Adding in another unrelated movie to the argument just makes the argument go off target.

>inb4 they're both made by Disney

That shouldn't count. It would be like someone adding another WB movie to the argument and using that as an example why DC is disliked.

>>90193390
He's redpilling the guy

>>90193455
>That shouldn't count. It would be like someone adding another WB movie to the argument and using that as an example why DC is disliked.
You mean like Pan? or Jupiter Ascending?

>>90193574
Yeah, something like that.

Unless they're underrated "kino" too, in which case, I apologize.

>>90193602
no they're shit like everything else WB

they're the ones who should be apologizing

>>90193649
>mouse

>>90191142
I was angry after BvS but after SS I just stopped giving a shit.

>>90192574
>the prequels were good meme

Run on back to /tv/town with that bait

>>90192612
>>Crisis Flash's warning to Bruce before he ever meets the Flash.
>Yeah, retarded. Fuck the DCEU.
That how time travel works.
>>90192921
>Because it's random
that how time travel is for the other side.

>>90191229
We'll get Sentinel movie before we'll get Green Lantern one.

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>>90191639
This.

This whole idea that everything needs to be set up and drawn out has been an absolute cancer on superhero movies.

Nobody fucking cares about origin stories, especially with Batman where we've seen it a hundred times. One of the good decisions in BvS was that Batman already has a history, and they told the origin in one short recap.

One of the best things about comics is they have that long history, but you don't need to know it in detail for 99% of them (except fucking X-Men), you can just pick up at the start of the run. A good comparison is James Bond, you don't need to ever see his first day as 007 or any of that shit, you just start the story and move on.

Do we really need three movies depicting Robin and his history? Everyone knows who Robin is. Just start the Nightwing movie, have a scene establishing that he used to be Robin, had a falling out with Batman and became his own superhero, you know, pretty much exactly how the original Nightwing mini was.

Stop wasting my time building everything up and just jump to the stuff we want to see. Spare us from all these stupid reboots and origin stories.

>>90191142
I wanted to call you out for nitpicking but damn you're right all of them would be better if they slowed down

DC is doing great work with the animated movies
I don't even remember the last time Marvel released an animated one

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>>90193232
I know you're memeing but The Winter Solider can be compared to a Nightwing/Red Hood movie, except Marvel established Bucky as a character in the first Cap while WB is too fast to do that shit.

>>90196700
>DC is doing great work with the animated movies

All of the recent ones have sucked ass.

Well I don't know about Justice League Dark, I haven't bothered watching it yet but people tell me it's terrible. After Throne of Atlantis, TT vs Justice League and The Killing Joke, I believe them.

>>90196781
An objectively shit opinion, TKJ was almost a frame for frame copy of the comic, one that is well respected as one of the best batsman comics and you're going to say its garbage?
Throne of Atlantis wasn't amazing but it was better than expected not sure what you wanted but it was an aqua man origin story to vs the league was stressed with the power levels between the two being so large I'm honestly surprised it ever got greenlit it seemed like it was doomed to fail

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>>90191142
>>doing Nightwing before Robin
Because they don't need to. A nightwing movie can be a Robin movie. Take Batman Begins. Replace all the kid Bruce scenes with kid Dick. Replace all the training scenes with Robin scenes. Replace all the Batman scenes with Nightwing. there, done.

Why are people so fucking stupid and don't understand that it can easily work without having to have 50 movies before?

>>90196730
Nightwing can be established in the Batman movie. Why do so many of you ignore the fact that the Batman solo is likely going to be first?

>Zod in the first Superman film
They intentionally wanted this Superman to be thrown hard into the world with no prep.
That was the entire point.
Reboots are suppose to to something new & different then their predessesdors, and this was a great way of doing so.
Reeves had fucking 12 years of training before going public.

>>90193128
The infinite stones are a recurring thing through the movies, so it's not like Thanos is just coming out of nowhere.

>>90191639
>>90196447
If you're going to make an adaptation, especially a cinematic universe, you need to establish who these characters are ASAP, otherwise you end up losing the audience because they're wondering why they're doing the things that they're doing.

Like Batman killing people was a major shift in character if your only interactions with him came from the DCAU yet the only justification we get for it is a throwaway line that would've been more interesting to see than BvS.

Not to mention, so many elements of the story seem to only be there to pad out the movie, rather than being there to serve a purpose to the overall narrative. We didn't need to see Clark slumming it as a hobo, we didn't need to see the Africa subplot or the senate meeting, and we didn't really need Deadshot and Harley Quinn's multiple introductions when most of the other members of the squad have little to no backstory.

If you don't want to retread old history than stop making remakes.

>>90192574
>You can't say that you are a Star Wars fan without truly embracing all of it.
So I guess that means that you love the Christmas special and consider it canon?

>>90196447
Everything about this post is complete bullshit. Just as an example:

>Everyone knows who Robin is.
No, all most people know about Robin is that he's Batman's sidekick in a lot of different versions. For the most popular who's had the most exposure, Dick, they don't even know his secret identity. And most people don't even like the idea of Robin. You have to sell the general public on Robin first.

>>90192744
Here's the thing though.

Marvel has 13 movies that are out now and it took them close to a decade to reach the point where they're at now. DC on the other hand is already planning out 15 MOVIES without having one film that's critically and commercially viable to speak of.

Like people can go on about RT and how there's some big conspiracy to discredit DCEU or some tinfoil /x/ tier conspiracy shit but the fact of the matter is that general audiences love Marvel more than DC. It didn't have to be this way, in fact, people were lining up outside the doors of my local cinema to watch BvS when it came out, but then they saw it and it was so terrible that people just lost faith in the DCEU overnight.

Before planning out 15 movies, you should focus on getting out one good one.

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I hope Fox's, Marvel's and DC 's movies all flop.

>>90197040
Because the movie has already established that Robin is dead in this continuity and we also didn't have any prior interactions with anyone else in the Bat family.

Like where the fuck was Nightwing during the whole two year gap where Batman was going cuckoo for cocoa puffs, branding criminals, shooting up thugs, and generally being a menace to society? For that matter, wouldn't Batgirl also be a thing in this continuity too? Where was she when Batman was going crazy? or Cassandra Cain? or Tim Drake? Fucking anybody?

You don't need "50 movies" to establish every fucking this but you also didn't need to waste an hour of your movie on subplots that ultimately go nowhere and are hastily swept under the rug so that we can get to the requisite action scenes and destruction porn sequences.

>>90198158
you'll get 2/3

MCU is gonna run FOREVER

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>>90198238
>>90198158
I hope they all end up coming down but end up making 200-300 million stable to see the studios suffer trying desperately, but fruitlessly, bring back the golden age of superhero movies.

>>90197786
Marvel has had their shit planned ever since Avengers came out. Even back then, they were all "we've got movies lined up through 2020!" Now to me, they didn't ""earn"" it the way you say DC should. Iron Man 2 and Thor weren't very good, only Iron Man and The First Avenger really were and even then they weren't acclaimed or anything.
And don't act like the DCEU movies haven't been commercially viable. Suicide Squad, for all its faults, made bank even without China. You can talk about how they should be making MORE all you want but the bottom line is they're making enough for WB to continue wanting them.
SS was pretty shit, yeah, but I stand by MoS and DoJ. The only criticism I ever see for them are people bitching that it's not fun, or pulling out very small, nitpicky plot holes that haunt every movie ever, or other inane subjective things. People didn't hate DCEU overnight. The response was all good until the reviews started coming in and then it became a meme to hate it.
And the majority of DCEU hate really is just a meme. People are quick to turn on the MCU too, I don't think there's some conspiracy.

>>90198367
>Marvel has had their shit planned ever since Avengers came out.
Which is fine because the Avengers was a critical and commercial success. It'd be weird if they didn't release more movies, especially after drop Thanos in the post-credits sequence.
>And don't act like the DCEU movies haven't been commercially viable.
I never said that they didn't succeed in making bank, I said that they needed a movie that was a critical AND commercial success.
>The only criticism I ever see for them are people bitching that it's not fun, or pulling out very small, nitpicky plot holes that haunt every movie ever, or other inane subjective things.
That's strange, because even ITT the main complaints are that DC/WB isn't properly setting up its cinematic universe more than it not being "fun" enough.
>And the majority of DCEU hate really is just a meme.
You can ignore the elephant in the room but it's not going to make the problem go away.

>>90197041
>Why do so many of you ignore the fact that the Batman solo is likely going to be first?
Because that movie was said to either be about Batman's relationship with his rogues gallery and the villain being Deathstroke.

Nightwing just can't come in as Nightwing without prior context as Robin, and they can't do a flashback movie or anything since Ben is attached to star. It's the same mistakes BvS had.

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>>90197127
>Reboots are suppose to to something new & different then their predessesdors, and this was a great way of doing so.

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>>90192951
Sure.

I want the DCEU to be scraped entirely. Reboot, get new everything, and maybe have Flash as the first stepping stone in a larger universe. And when I say stepping stone, I mean a self contained movie with SUBTLE hints to other things, not a 3 hour ad for fucking Justice League

>>90199351
... are you expecting us to disagree with her? Civil War was better than BVS.

>>90199351
Objectively, the DCEU has lower review scores than the bulk of the MCU and has also made less money than the MCU as a whole.

Even if you say "well it's only three movies," those three movies have personally dismantled any hopes of general audiences ever taking the DCEU seriously like they do for the MCU.

They're better off scrapping the DCEU as a whole, hiring a whole new team of people over the course of the next few years, and releasing a series of self-contained movies that subtly link each other together. The brand is toxic and nobody wants to work with them now that WB is going full Jihad and trying to control every aspect of the creative process.

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>>90199456
Maybe I am just a misogynist, paternalistic and fascist who doesn't understand innovative action sequences.

>>90199531
Pretty much. Like, I want to be excited for a Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Justice League movie. But EVERY bit of news or announcement made pertaining to the DCEU has me disappointed. Instead of feeling "Oh wow___ is coming" its "Oh great, ___ is coming, wonder how they'll fuck this one up"

>>90199639
>Gets BTFO
>Spams the same scene in response
Pottery. BvS wishes that its problems could be contained within a minute's worth of webms.

>>90198206
It all can be explained in the movie easily. During the present time, Dick meets in the second robin. Dick and Bruce are not close after leaving to become nightwing. That's why he's not in speaking terms with Bruce anymore. Just like how they got in a fight in the comics when he became nightwing.

It's really not hard at all, anon.

>>90200219
>Dick and Bruce are not close after leaving to become nightwing.
That still wouldn't explain why he wasn't there when Batman went crazy and started to brand criminals. At the very least, I'd expect Nightwing to show up to try arresting Batman once it seems as though he's too far gone, rather than just letting things go to shit because of a disagreement that may or may not have happened at some point in the past.

Not to mention, if they were going to mention Robin's death, wouldn't it also be appropriate to mention Nightwing's fallout as well if it was actually going to be introduced later on in the DCEU?

Especially if they're going through the trouble to plan out 15 movies years after the DCEU crashes and burns?

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>>90192408
This, all the way.

>>90200604
He operations in in a different City.
He doesn't doesn't stay in contact with Bruce anymore .
That's it. He doesn't need the robins death for the fall out. You think things need tobe over explained but they don't. Where is Hulk and Thor during Civil War? It doesn't fucking matter because they aren't relevant to the plot. It's the same thing. If you show that Nightwing and Batman aren't close and that he's not in Gotham that is more than enough to understand why he wasn't there during BvS.

>>90201091
>He operations in in a different City.
>He doesn't doesn't stay in contact with Bruce anymore .
Shouldn't stop him from trying to stop Batman once it becomes obvious that he's gone too far. It also doesn't explain where Barbara, Cassandra, or the rest of the Bat family is, let alone the Teen Titans since Cyborg is now a thing in this continuity.
>Where is Hulk and Thor during Civil War?
Hulk fucked off to parts unknown because he felt guilty for decimating Wakanda earlier in the film and didn't want to hurt Black Widow accidentally while Thor is seen going back to Asgard after Ultron is dealt with to figure out Wanda's vision of Hel was all about.

In either case, that's much different than just haphazardly introducing an important character after events that would facilitate their appearance, or at least a reference or two. It'd be like if Winter Soldier happened before The First Avenger and we were supposed to just know that Bucky is Cap's friend from WWII.

>>90199639
>posting edits made on /tv/

Patethic /tv/ cancer.

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>>90193451
>> Claiming DCEU movies have character arcs
>> Thinking any Zack Snyder movie ever has had a character arc

>>90199639
Thats a fucking edit and you know it fag

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>>90199456
says you?

>people can't piece together that Affleck leaving "The Batman"/future DCEU installments is the reason for "Nightwing" existing.

It's the obvious setup to introduce Damian as Robin.

>>90193182
>2-WB has actually been caught paying for good reviews recently (for Shadow of Mordor).

so has disney for rouge one, literally every company does

>>90193182
>3- WB owns RT.
You don't have to own the horse track to fix a race.

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>>90202666
yeah a terrible edit that got okay from Marvel. This isn't their first dance.

>>90202057
>>90202666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2rEbJpyHhc

The only thing that's edited out is the "we're still friends" bit.

>>90202746
>>90202914
>nb4 these are "/tv/ edits"
You can view them yourself.

>>90202951
I stand corrected

>>90199531
you're an idiot, objectively

>>90203054
No, that'd be subjective. Not that I'd expect you to tell the difference /tv/tard.

>>90199804
how in anyway was that btfo?

>>90193182
>2-WB has actually been caught paying for good reviews recently (for Shadow of Mordor).

They literally pay people like Pewdiepie like everyone else to play their games to promote purchase. You won't find a publisher/developer that wouldn't mind paying people like him to play your game.

>>90199639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2rEbJpyHhc

>>90203083
never used /tv/ idiot, since when has intelligence been subjective?

WB has fixed the comical fight "choreography" of the Nolanverse by making their fights 100% CGI cartoons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOnAH-R5tvY

>>90203147
When we started to gauge intelligence by how easily a fish can climb a tree, unless you're stupid enough to drink the "IQ scores mean something" kool-aid.

>>90191142
>doing Nightwing before Robin
But this makes sense. Dick is alive, Jason is dead, there's not a current Robin.

>>90191142
>>doing Nightwing before Robin
>>Death of Superman and Dark Night Returns in the second film
>>Zod in the first Superman film
good, DKR is overrated, DoS is shit so I'm glad they got them out of the way so retards can stop demanding them. Also who gives a shit about showing him as Robin first. Here's all you need
>Used to be robin, now i'm nightwing
ta-dah

>>90203395
Of course IQ scores mean something dumbass, granted hypothetical and creative thinking are also key factors that go alongside it, but its laughable to say they have no value.

>>90191142
>>Ares in the first Wonder Woman film
this isn't bad. Ares was WW's first villain in the reboot after CoIE. it's all about execution and the movie will probably fail in that, as is always the case with post-Nolan DC films.

>>90203541
I see you got the gallon pack rather than the individual packets.

>>90203658
be honest, you were never very good in school were you

>>90203782
Quite the contrary, I finished with a 3.0 GPA, I'm just not dumb enough to put stock in tests that think that a human being's intellect can be boiled down to a number on a chart.

>>90203839
Everyone look at this faggot trying to make himself sound intelligent on fucking 4chan.

>>90203884
Not him but, you're kind of doing the same thing.

>>90203839
> I'm just not dumb enough to put stock in tests that think that a human being's intellect can be boiled down to a number on a chart.
And nobody ever said that. But it doesn't mean it isn't a good indicator of somebody's base intelligence. As i said, theoretical and creative thinking are also key factors in determining ones intelligence, something you seem not to of grasped quite yet.

>>90203980
>But it doesn't mean it isn't a good indicator of somebody's base intelligence.
If it doesn't track all forms of intelligence then it's a false positive at best. The only thing that IQ tests can track is whether or not you're retarded.
>>90203884
Would you rather I was an idiot who put stock in arbitrary numbers on a chart like you?

>>90203622
>this isn't bad
This, I just want to see her in action. Hoping for a lot of shield antics ala cap, song lasso moves, and some greco-roman wrestling

>its a DC hate thread

Real original

>>90204154
but I'm posting about how I'm excited for it

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>>90204117
>Expecting good action scenes
>In a Snyder film
The best you can hope for is 300 style slowdown, gratuitous destruction porn, and explosions.

>>90204104
>If it doesn't track all forms of intelligence then it's a false positive at best
but the only things they don't address are what i stated. I i'm not even trying to be a dick now, but your saying this and i would love for you to provide for me an example at least that proves they do not serve as a good judge of base intelligence.

>>90203956
And he isn't me either.

>>90191142
>doing Nightwing before Robin
God forbid the skip introductions and just get to what we want to see. They can establish he was a Robin and leave it at that
>Zod in the first Superman film
So what
>showing the entire Justice League in BvS
They were cameos, they didn't form
>showing Parademons and the omega symbol before Darkseid ever makes an appearance
Foreshadowing

>>90204255
if its in a snyder film, chances are it'll be pretty damn good or in the very least memorable.

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>>90204255
>In a Snyder film

>>90204265
>Tries to act intelligent
>Cant even write a coherent sentence.
good job

This is such a blatant bait thread

>>90204345
ah, you got me.

>>90204265
How about the basic fact that it tries to serve as a good judge for base intelligence in the first place when anyone can tell you that there are multiple forms of intelligence out there that are unique to one another.

Getting back to my earlier example, should we say that the fish is dumb because the base for judging intelligence is how effectively the fish can climb a tree?

>>90204299
>>90204340
So I guess Sucker Punch was pretty damn good? I won't even bother asking if it's memorable.

>>90191183
>"Aquaman" has a pretty solid cast.

It stars a guy who can't act.

>>90204610
so you're ignoring the fact he isn't directing it, got it. post ignored.

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>>90204574
>should we say that the fish is dumb because the base for judging intelligence is how effectively the fish can climb a tree?

is that a reference to this?

Either way, i'm if you misunderstand or simply don't know but most official IQ tests these days are very in depth and cover a wide variety of potential subjects that a persons brain may be more wired to then others. And as i said, they lack on major aspects of hypothetical thinking which is their key flaw, and is why most people who get the highest scores on them barely count as normal people and tend to burn out by their mid twenties. I mean take the fact that Einstein had what was considered a low IQ, when in reality it due to the fact they don't allow for hypothetical thinking.

>>90204610
it was ok, butchered by the studio but i enjoyed aspects of it.

>>90204659
>post ignored.
Typical Snyderfag, they just can't handle facts and reason.

>>90204654
where did this meme come from, Mamoa is charismatic as fuck and typically the most entertaining thing he's in.

>>90194418
It's the CONTEXT for the time travel. The Flash was warning Batman about what was going to happen in Crisis and then he disintegrates away and stays dead for like two decades worth of comics, getting Batman into action.

That's what BvS was referencing, and it's retarded because Batman doesn't know who Barry is yet, leaving no emotional impact or a reason for Bruce to listen.

>>90203230
That looks worse than NolBat.

>>90204285
>God forbid the skip introductions and just get to what we want to see

How edgy. Typical modern Batfag who wants nothing to do with Robin and doesn't understand how being Robin for years was important for Nightwing's character to exist.

So the Nightwing movie is going to be an Under The Red Hood-esque Nightwing Vs. Red Hood, Dick Vs. Jason movie, right? Because they've already hinted at Jason with the Joker killing a Robin, and they have to reveal Nightwing's backstory as a Robin. It makes narrative sense to deal with the death of his replacement, and Jason would make for a fitting antagonist. Plus you can introduce Tim Drake before teaming him up with Battfleck.

>>90206574
I'm fine with that as long as Damien stays far, far away. Fuck Damien. Cool with Cass and Steph though.

>>90206659
Normally I'd disagree since I like the little weirdo but knowing Snyder, he'd misuse Damien's character and just make him even more unlikable to general audiences.

Damien works best when he's being BTFO'd for being an asshole just to show that he ain't invincible.

>>90204930
And all that charisma will go out the window. He's going to turn into Batman under the sea.

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>>90204930
>Mamoa is charismatic as fuck and typically the most entertaining thing he's in
What the hell have you been watching?
Or are you confusing him with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson?

Question is, third Man of Steel will be Kingdom Come or All-Star Superman?
Also, Watchman crossover when?

>>90206897
At least someone link to a vidya of one of his "charismatic" performance clips?
Somehow I have missed the era of Mamoa charisma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4kkzLY9UFY

>>90191142
Karen Fukuhara´s career is dead.

>>90191639
>REEEEEE Nolan's Batman doesn't count as part of the DCEU
>We need to take Nolan's Batman into account for the DCEU

Pick one

>>90206844
To introduce Jason after being "dead" they would have to introduce Talia, even if in Flashback. They might skip Tim altogether and go with Damien. I can see Snyder doing that, or keep Tim in the backstory as another Robin that either retired or abandoned Bruce.

All this seems irrelevant, since they've pushed Aquaman far enough back to prepare the Snyderverse to fold up like a cheap lawn chair this year, and everything that isn't Aquaman has been pushed back even further in preparation for a reset.

>>90206959
>third Man of Steel will be Kingdom Come or All-Star Superman?

There's not going to be a third Superman movie, but WB would be stupid enough to try to adapt those two stories.

>>90193390
This feels like a perfect example of a Snyder scene, and the problems BvS has.

On paper, the idea that Lex is showing dominance over the man, and that he controls that man, is a good idea. But the execution of the idea--by having Lex slip it inside the man's mouth--is utterly bizarre. Throughout BvS, there's a lot of ideas being thrown around, some of them pretty good. Buy even when the idea is sound, the execution is so weird, or downright bad, that the idea is wasted.

BvS fans often say that "You don't get Snyder's vision." No, I think Lex's anger against fate and God manifesting as hate against Superman is very interesting. I just think the way the movie used Doomsday and random utterances about the Devil, plus some nightmares about evil goblins, was a very confusing way to express it.

BvS has some interesting concepts at its core. But...it didn't have to be so confusing about it. It was so confusing that even when Lex explains it, it's still confusing.

>>90193451
>and he realized that by the time he
I was with you until this. It just reeks of the same desperate "next time it'll get there" like we got after Man of Steel. There's no real indication Clark had any big revelation of needing to communicate more, simply because as you said, he's dead. Hell, most people defending it are saying that Clark is showing that actions speak louder than words, not that he learned, FINALLY, to use them.

>>90196447

>Who's Nightwing? Why do we care about this guy?
>He used to be Robin, now he's grown up.
>But Robin died! The Joker killed him!
>That's a different Robin
>Wait what? Then how many Robins are there? Where was Nightwing during BvS?
>Look just turn your brain off and appreciate how smart it is.

>>90196447
>Stop wasting my time building everything up and just jump to the stuff we want to see.
So if I want to see a charismatic Superman why have I had to sit through two movies and counting of him learning valuable life lessons on the promise that he's getting there and the universe is steadily becoming lighter and more optimistic?

Can't we just skip to that? Shouldn't we have just *started* there?

>>90199639
See this is the kind of thing I don't get. You guys post clips and pictuers and assume they're tautologically self evident. You don't seem to realize that doing so only works if you're in an echo chamber that already thinks exactly as you do. You can't win an argument by going "just look at it! it's shit!" You need to put more effort into WHY.

>>90208529
>the audience is as retarded as me!

>>90208529
>Hey, maybe if you watched the god damn movie instead of pestering me to spoon feed you with every shot of the movie, you wouldn't be so lost. Ever thought of that?

>>90208529
If people can watch Game of Plebs & other Soap Opera trash, I'm pretty sure they can follow a simple premise just fine.

>>90208529
Maybe you should stop bringing your parents along to every comicbook movie you see?

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Good knowing that this is still relevant

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>>90196447
>Everyone knows who Robin is.
You mean this kid?
Yeah I really want a movie about this asshole.

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>>90191888
We allow them to destroy themselves from the inside.

>>90191142
rushing? they cant stop rebooting every 5 years. just forget all of the build up. it's not going to happen. and if it does, you'll hate how long it takes. just let them jump over to old man bruce and terry

>>90191142
> Good news from WB
> NO SIGHT OF MARVELDRONES
> 1/2 days later
> They come back to complain about it

Jesus... gonna start to believe that they do get paid to be this shitdrone.

>>90204299
None of the action on BvS was memorable.

>>90196447
>A good comparison is James Bond, you don't need to ever see his first day as 007 or any of that shit, you just start the story and move on.

Craig's Casino Royale was an origin story.

>>90191941
>>90193012
We could at least zap some popcorn and find ourselves a comfy chair. So that the observation of the unfolding DCEU disaster isn't such a chore.

>>90204654
All his roles have been bruiser dudebros, so if he is just playing himself, that's called playing to your strengths.

Now that worked for the barbarian warrior roles but Aquaman isn't exactly that, so some trepidation is understandable.

But then audiences don't like Aquaman anyway and will take whatever they like no matter how different.

>>90199351
She can't even spell "philosopher", of course she's going to have shitty opinions

>>90199351
But CW was miles above BvS tho.

If wasn't for the names of the characters being recognizable, nobody would give a shot for it, in the same way that nobody gives a shot to Hancock (me tinned as a major inspiration for the DCEU by Snyder).

>>90213922
>Has shit taste in films
>so bad he'll shit on hancock
for shame

>>90212851
whew, thats some pretty big shit right there

>>90206939
no, i think he's a good actor

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No GL movie. Why live. Id kill for Mark Strong to play Sinestro again.

>>90191142
>showing the entire Justice League in BvS
this is the only valid point of contention listed, and really only because of its absolutely terrible execution

>>90212851
What about the kryptonite car chase, or Batman versus kgbeast and his mooks?

I'm surprised we even have to debate this, all it takes are your eyes to see DCCU is garbage. DC reader btw.
Like why does Aquaman need to be some gruff bikerfag? What's wrong with a blonde guy in orange and green? Why can't Superman just be a charismatic fella who wants to do the right thing and is pleased with it? Batman's fine.

>>90215883
This is the worst complaint about the DCCU ever.

>>90216305
I got a lot more

>>90192574
>Disney shill
>promoting that the prequels, which they now have the rights to, were bad
Are you fucking stupid? Like, seriously, how can you get through the day without someone or something killing you for your immense stupidity?

>>90196730
>The Winter Solider can be compared to a Nightwing/Red Hood movie
How? I'm not even sure how these are related. Red Hood maybe, but even then Jason isn't mind controlled and Bucky is.

>>90191142

>We need even more Robin before we can get into Nightwing

ffs man. He's been on TV and in movies for your entire lifetime. If they spend more than 10 fucking seconds in a Nightwing movie trying to introduce Robin it will be 10 second to long. How many steps below casual do you need to be to not be fully aware of Robin?

>>90216486
Seriously, we all know he's that Hothead cop in Gotham.

>>90191142
>>doing Nightwing before Robin
Are you retarded?
>>Death of Superman and Dark Night Returns in the second film
Fair point
>>Zod in the first Superman film
Completely normal
>>Suicide Squad before any of the villians show up in the hero films
Fair point
>>Ares in the first Wonder Woman film
Completely normal
>>showing the entire Justice League in BvS
Could have been done better.
>>showing Parademons and the omega symbol before Darkseid ever makes an appearance
That's called teasing.
>>Crisis Flash's warning to Bruce before he ever meets the Flash.
Time travel, bitch.

I have absolutely no problem with this "lived in" universe we got with BvS. I think it's great that we're getting a Batman who has been around. Joker and at least two Robins are in the past. There's a lot of stuff unsaid that lets us get past the "let's introduce everybody" phase. It's a nice contrast to the MCU.

So, because of that, I'm fine with a Nightwing movie. We've already had Robin teased, and this can work.

The problem is: I don't trust WB to handle it right at ALL. And if the movie tanks, they'll just say "okay, no one cares about Robin or NW," rather than "no one cares about shitty movies."

>>90209505
His parents are more likely to know who Robin is than 20 year old audiences

>>90209469
They could follow it but it won't be emotionally effective. That's the point.

We started this universe with tired old Batman instead building to that point with Ben Affleck. Now we're forced to go backwards because BvS was so terrible and made less money than the last two Batman films.

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>>90215556
We're getting a GL reboot movie anon!

Written by David S. Goyer

>>90215702
How is the rest not valid. Killing Superman off in the second film wasn't rushed?

>>90216469
Mainly in the "childlike sidekick going off on their own path away from their mentor" kind of thing, even though Tim and Bucky were forced into doing it.

>>90216823
>Are you retarded?
Well you agreed with OP that Death and Returns in the second movie wasn't a good idea, it's the same type of concept.

>Completely normal
No, not completely normal. You don't blow your load on the first movie with the biggest baddest villains of those two characters.

>Time travel, bitch.
Actually read Crisis.

>>90217541
I'd argue those same 20 year old audiences would probably know about Nightwing more than they would Robin

>>90191142
That's obviously their main problem. The "dark tone" or whatever is fine by me, I don't mind psychology and politics in my superhero movie. What I do mind is rushed bullshit so the audience has zero interest in any of the characters.

By Infinity War Iron Man will have seven movies of character development under his belt, Captain America about five movies. We actually care about them.

>>90192812
Evans' Captain America has arguably eclipsed RDJ's Stark at this point. His trilogy is the best in terms of consistent quality, and people seem to have really embraced him. Plus, you know, Stark was a bad guy in Cap 3.

>>90217973
im invested in superman just from MoS though.

>>90192881
>I'm a huge fan of Superman and I think this is a faithful adaption.
I'm sorry but it completely boggles my mind how you could possibly think that. Like seriously. He's the very antithesis of the idea of Superman.

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>>90192924
>Gotham City Sirens
>Deadshot solo

but shy\

>>90218047
i agree with him

subjective opinions yo

>>90218070
>>90192924
The Deadshot solo is bullshit. Suicide Squad is essentially his film.

>>90218019
But he's also Spider-man's mentor in Homecoming which makes no sense

>>90217973
no, fuck it, it's not even rushed bullshit. It's two things.

They talk so much. Meeting at the daily mail, luthor's gala, luthor with senator, luthor with cherry guy, wondy's gala, talk talk talk talk, FUCK YOU. It's a superhero movie. I want action. Not every scene has to have action but the blah-blah vs KPOW ratio is awful.

And second, the narrative should be pushed by events, not by symbolism. Symbolism scenes that transcend the events of the fictional world, like supes being "buried" by the hands of the people he saves as they come all over me should go and stay gone.

As a side note, maybe real colour filters next time and not grey/dark over everything. But that's a minor thing.

>>90218160
It makes sense since his new job is keeping tabs on super-powered people for the government. Plus I'm really hoping him and Pete have a falling out and Peter realizes he was on the wrong side in Civil War.

>>90192574
>You can't say that you are a Star Wars fan without truly embracing all of it.
You're the worst kind of autist

>>90218186
There's nothing wrong with talking if the talking is both entertaining, and/or develops the characters. Dialogue written by Snyder of Hanover is just lofty "symbolism" bullshit that makes the audience hate the characters.

>>90218243
true, but a)I still believe even with good dialogue we should have not have such a tiny action ratio for almost 1.5-2hours until bats and supes get at each other and b) since snyder is what we have, let him do action. His action scenes aren't bad, really. His dialogue is horrendous.

>>90214939
>thinks that Hancock was a good movie

I doesn't need to written anything more.

>>90197018
>TKJ was almost a frame for frame copy of the comic
True, the animation was so bad it might as well have been stills of the comic. Also this is deliberately ignoring all the weird Barbara shit

>>90218243
Snyder isnt a writer on these things

>>90218340
not him, but you're the first person i've ever come across that didnt like it

>>90218160
He is one of the most experienced heroes around on earth, and he is a rich millionaire inventor, which certainly would make a teenage wannabe scientist like Peter interested in following him.

>>90218186
>They talk so much.

To be honest, Superman on BvS has only 42 lines of dialogue - LESS than Spider-Man cameo on Civil War.

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>>90212851
I honestly agree with this. BvS was hands down the worst action of any Snyder movie because I don't remember anything beyond how retarded it was that batman used bullets on Superman, but not kryptonite bullets, yet spinning him around on a grapple then stabbing him with a spear for film student level subtly somehow made sense.

It really doesn't help that this thing was 3 hours long and the actual BvS scene was like 3 minutes.

>>90218434
>first person


Seriously? Weird, with me is the opposite.

Movie is fine until the wife of the marketer is revealed to be super powered too, it goes downhill from there. The "vilains" also were really bad, and acted in non senical ways.

It's fat from what I would consider a good inspiration for a DC universe.

>>90218557
different social circles i guess.
i like the film, its nothing great but its an entertaining watch every once in a while.

The wife couldn't act for shit.

If you disliked BvS, youre just an IDIOT

>>90219627
>Mmmm piss

Reminder that we live in a world where Suicide Squad has a 1/3 chance of winning an oscar

>>90220452
For make up.

A bad movie can have good make up.

>>90220452
Any film with odd makeup has a 1/3 chance of winning for best makeup
It'll join such timeless classics as Harry and the Hendersons, Dick Tracy, J.J.'s Star Trek and The Wolfman. All destined for the Criterion Collection.

>>90220633
i mean the criterion collection is really just any film they can get the money to license, why do you think you get stuff like Armageddon on there. Secondly Dick Tracey was pretty good.

>>90220633
and Amadeus, Pan's Labyrinth, Mad Max: Fury Road, The Grand Budapest Hotel, The Lord of the Rings...

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>>90220752
Exactly. It's an award for Gud Makeup.
I have no real problem saying SS had some good makeup, although I hope it has more to do with Croc than with M.G.F.
I think we can all agree that the CGI was 90's tier tho.

>>90191142
It's called worldbuilding dude, in 3 movies the DCEU seems more filled with heroes and villains than the MCU in 14

>>90220803
cgi was fine, nothing great but not bad either. Dont see the problem there

>>90221048
....what?
DCEU doesn't have enough heroes yet to fill out a 7 man team, and has what, 6 surviving villains? (all but one of which was on the Skwad).

>>90221048
It's more filled with superpowered individuals, I'll give you that.

>>90221130
>We keep repeating things that aren't objectively true.

>>90218289
>His action scenes aren't bad, really.
They're good in the moment for the sheer spectacle but on rewatches the flaws and times when "physics turn off for cool thing" become more and more apparent.

Like how Lois falls down while the world engine has turned off the gravity so that cars are getting sucked into it during Man of Steel, or how in BvS Doomsday can let lose an energy blast that vaporizes the surrounding buildings but Batman can hide behind a waist high bit of rubble at ground zero when this happens and survive that with n o problem.

>>90221171
Snyderforce runs on alternative facts.

>>90221223
They're "good" in the sense that they become 100% CGI cartoons when there's any real fighting going on. As choppy as some of the Marvel fights can get, at least it actually feels like the characters are really in them.

>>90221100
>batman
>flash
>superman
>cyborg
>Aquaman
>Mera
>Robin
i count 8

and then on villains
>Lex
>Deadshot
>Harley
>Joker
>Boomer
>Doomsday
>Faora
>Croc
>Deathstroke
>Steppenwolf
>Waller
>Johnny Frost

Thats eleven, chances are Diablo's still around too.

>>90221130
Wanna list all the surviving characters with superpowers in the Director's Cut Edition Universe, just for laughs? I'll meet you halfway with the Marvel ones.

>>90191142
>Why does DC and WB keep trying to rush their universe?

Because they were hoping the payout from BvS would pay to start off their cinematic universe and it did not

>>90221337
flash, aquaman, wonder woman, superman, faora, mera, doomsday, maybe enchantress and Harley assuming she has the same origins as her comics appearance.

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>>90221308
>We count movies that haven't even been filmed yet.
Heroes
Batman
Superman
Flash
Cyborg
Aquaman

Villains:
Lex
Deadshot
Harley
Joker
Captain Boomerang
Killer Croc
Waller
maybe Faora iof you wanna reach

>>90221425
robin was shown to of been around in BvS, Doomsday isn't even dead, neither is Faora (Phantom Zone is just a prison, c'mon dude), steppenwolf was in BvS and Frost was in Suicide Squad.

They're just trying to get their cash grab before superhero's stop being vogue.

>>90221425
if were going by ones that have been filmed he ought to have listed Aries, Dr.Poison, Deathstroke, and Darkseid as well seeing how they're in the next two films.

>>90221308
I wonder if that has to do anything with the fact that 2 of the first 3 DC movies were ensemble films...

>>90221425
the guy who made metallo was in BvS and Star Saphire was in MoS, tho that may be reaching as she's still normal at this point.

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>>90221425
Heroes:
Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Ant-Man
Black Panther
Spider-Man
Winter Soldier
Star Lord
Gamora
Rocket
Groot
Drax
Doctor Strange
Falcon
War Machine
Wasp
(I'll leave out the Warriors 3, Sif and the GotG2 characters though they've been filmed)

Villains
Justin Hammer
Abomination
Thunderbolt Ross
Zemo
Loki
Mordo
Dormammu
Thanos
Nebula
The Collector
The Vulture
(I won't count Red Skull for same reason I won't count Faora, same for Arnim Zola).

>>90221666
well yes probably, and your point is?

>>90221677
I refuse to consider name-drops in either universe
And no living Robin was shown in the DCEU movies.

>>90221308
>>90221425
Wonder Woman is so shit we both left her out.

>>90221048
>Iron Man
>Cap
>Thor
>BW
>Hawkeye
>Scarlet Witch
>Rhodey
>Ant-Man
>Falcon
>Spider-man
>Vision
>Fury
>Wasp
>Star Lord
>Drax
>Gamora
>Groot
>Rocket
>Black Panther
>Winter Soldier

You're right ... it's real close.

>>90221707
My point is it's a stupid comparison.

"There's more DC heroes and Villains in 3 movies than Marvel had!!"

...well yeah, no shit. It's because they designed it that way. DC went for introducing characters as a group; Marvel did it individually.

It's a meaningless comparison.

>>90221687
It's not actually confirmed that Red Skull and Kaecilius are dead. They just kind of get teleported. Also if you're counting The Vulture you should also count Shocker, shouldn't you?

>>90221746
You forgot Strange.

so thats 16 villains still alive for DC and ten heroes (Assuming we are going by whats filmed, it may be eleven seeing how JL has a green lantern in).

And 25 heroes (that i know) for the MCU and 12 villains. Maybe 13 actually, is the Leader alive still?

>>90221687
>Abomination is still out there but we'll never see him again
>the Leader was teased in TIH and in the comic tie-in but we'll never see him again

Feels bad man.

>>90221817
Yeah, Leader is still alive, but it's not likely that he'll ever be back. (See >>90221830)

>>90221817
Ten Heroes?
If we count Mera we have to start counting shit like Sif.

>>90221817
Do you even have a casting for Green Lantern?

>>90221744
fucking kek

>>90221775
read the fucking posts mate, they guy said there was this many number of characters and i corrected his numbers. You dip.

>>90221863
shame, i tend not to like most MCU stuff but i thought the Hulk was real good.

>>90221866
I was, but then i also counted Rick Flagg. Forgot to add Sif though actually, that makes it roughly 26.

>>90221942
>read the fucking posts mate, they guy said there was this many number of characters and i corrected his numbers. You dip.
My bad then, I just assumed you were the OP who cared about roster size originally

>>90221898
no clue dude,was looking up JL today and saw a bunch of reports that came out today saying JL had a green lantern in it that wasnt stewart or hal.

It'll probably be Abin Sur if anything.

Marvel's gonna squeeze out any superhero hype left in public with their Infinity War, WB's gotta get in there before that happens.

>Daredevil
>Cage
>Iron Fist
>JJ
>Punisher

I'll leave out AoS stuff, but the Defenders should at least get consideration.

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>all these projects

Which ones will actually get made, /co/?

>>90221717
Ferris has been MoS and BvS so far dude, i guess i could give you the metallo guy though.

>>90221976
its good man

>>90222107
i thought they wernt cannon?

>>90222135
probably most of them, thanks to BvS and SS, WB had their second most profitable year ever, they did great for DC's market worth as well.

>>90222135
Will definitely get made:
>WW (obviously)
>JL (obviously
>Aquaman
>The Batman
>JL Sequel
>SS sequel
>MoS sequel

Will probably get made
>Shazam
>Flash
>GLC (or just GL)
>Cyborg

Probably won't get made:
>Sirens
>Black Adam
>Dark Universe
>Deadshot
>Lobo

Who fucking knows at this point:
>Nightwing

>>90222156
>i thought they wernt cannon?
Marvel TV stuff is 100% canon; the films just aren't really going to reference them. The whole "non-canon" thing comes from people misinterpreting a Whedon quote.

>>90222220
ah, my mistake

>>90222135
The only guaranteed ones at this point are the ones with Batman characters in them.

I seriously doubt Cyborg is getting made, Flash is a clusterfuck, Shazam is barely moving forward, and I seriously doubt that WB will have faith in anything but Batman if Wonder Woman and Justice Leage don't make a gorillion dollars.

>>90222187
>>90222193
Are you seriously under the impression WB isn't waiting to see how Justice League does before they decide to cancel Aquaman and the DCEU? If Justice League doesn't break $1b, or undergrosses BvS, it's over.

>>90222193
I think Nightwing has a better chance that Flash Cyborg and GL at this point.

>>90222264
not a chance

>>90222264
what did i just say >>90222187

>>90222264
I'm under the impression that they have no clue what they're doing. But I think Justice League will make a ton of money regardless, and allow them to move forward.

Then again, I thought BvS was a lock for a billion...

>>90222297
That's what you said about BvS too.

>>90222135
>>90222257
>>90222264
>>90222292

See, this is why I respect what Marvel did vs what DC is doing. I don't think DC needed to follow the Hero->Hero 2->Hero 3->Team Up->rinse/repeat strategy that Marvel did.

BUT, Marvel FUCKING COMMITTED to what they were doing. They set out to make four films followed by the Avengers and the did it. Then they laid out a gameplan to get to another Avengers and then another.

During all that time, there's been only a few changes, the biggest being that they scored the Spider-man rights. The only project, as far as I can recall, that has been cancelled is Inhumans.

DC, on the other hand, couldn't commit to anything. MoS underperformed, so they changed from MoS 2 to BvS, and now they clearly have no idea where to go next. If they would just have some faith in themselves, maybe they could set up some long-term storytelling.

>>90222264
you have no idea how this works do you

>>90222422
Thats honestly pretty spot on, and i'm saying thus as someone who vastly prefers the DCEU stuff over the mcu films.

Its even more apparent in all the executive meddling in the films, which ended up producing the horribly edited theatricals of SS and BvS

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>>90222422
It's worth pointing out that Inhumans was only happening because Ike Perlmutter wants to push the X-Men into obscurity, and he demanded Feige to make it in exchange for being allowed to make Captain Marvel. Now that Ike's been pushed out of the film division, Inhumans is canned. Can't seige the Feige.

>>90222422
The only product WB's execs have any faith in is Batman, which is why we're where we're at now.

Even if everything else about the DCEU were utterly perfect, I'd be disappointed due to the sheer amount of Batwank.

>>90191142
with the exception of the Interactive branch the only value Warner Brother has is it's vast collection of IP. There were talks of Time Warner selling them of the last couple of years and I doubt AT&T will want to keep a company that is bleeding money.

>>90201504
Those hulk and thor points weren't explained in the film cuz it doesn't fucking matter to the plot. Whatever night wing was doing at the time of bvs doesn't fucking matter autist. Do u get it? He is doing his own shit and handling his own business. There is no problem with introducing him afterwards.

>>90222135
Nobody asked for a Cyborg movie anyway.

>>90222651
i wouldnt mind one, i like cyborg

Where the fuck is the Justice League trailer? GotG 2 final trailer next week but no sign of JL. I need some actually epic looking capeshit trailers, hurry up Snyder.

>>90222491
I'm pretty sure DC has had more actor and director troubles in the past year than Marvel has had in a decade.

The only major director debacle they had in the MCU was Wright fucking off after being given nearly 10 years to make the movie he wanted, then being pissed that things were different than when he got the original go ahead. And a few director changes for Thor 2 maybe?

>>90222773
GotG comes out May 5. JL comes out November 17.

There's a bit of a difference there.

2017 Marvel/DC films
>Justice League
>Wonder Woman
>GotG 2
>Spider-man Homecoming
>Thor: Ragnorok

RANK THE BOX OFFICE!

>>90222825
1. Justice League
2. GotG 2
3. Spider-man
4. Thor
5. Wonder Woman

The only ones that might flip are Guardians and Spidey, but I don't think Spidey can make a huge jump after ASM 2, but maybe the RDJ boost will do it.

If JL doesn't win the year of capeshit then WB on suicide watch

>>90222825
1. GotG 2
2. Justice League
3. Spider-man
4. Thor
5. Wonder Woman