Sonic the Comic

>>90183365
Autism: origins

>>90183365
because it was Americans

that makes everything about 30% shittier

>>90183365
Ken Penders.

>>90183365
Fleetway super is best super.

Clever way around having super sonic be a shitty deus ex machina, something the games are still struggling to deal with to this day was solved by a couple of blokes in a tiny office in the 90s.

>>90184069
Isn't Super Sonic a massive jobber in the games? Like 3 and the werehog one where he shows up in the opening just to get Sonic's shit slapped and the chaos emeralds stolen from him

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>>90183365
Because the UK comic had the best Amy Rose in the entire franchise.

>pop pop pop watchin motherfuckers drop

>>90184181
Every single game since SA1 has had super be the mandatory final boss fight of every game. So he's definitely a Deus Ex Machina.

Colours was the first one where they actually showed Eggman slap his shit. Up until that point it was ridiculous. EVERY GAME it's the last stage. It used to be optional, or unlockable but then it became mandatory, shit sucks man.

I'd love a stage where you play as sonic's good side trying to reign in the unstoppable super. where you're moving too fast and destroying fucking everything, but you can swerve him out of the way of knocking over a building and instead slam yourself into a mountain to slow yourself down and save hurting innocents or something.

but no. Super is just a tunnel and a boss firing random projectiles for like 8 games. Sigh.

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These two niggas were underrated as fuck

Fleetway Sonic is alright, but Sonic being a massive cunt to Tails really brings it down. I could see him acting like that with Knuckles, but not Tails.

>>90184794
For some, it's out of character. For others, it's the main attraction.

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>>90184794
That's how big brothers act to their little brothers.

>>90184671
Shortfuse was a pretty neat original character, so was the scientist bird that teamed up with Amy alot.

Also the humanoid soldier bots that made up most of Robotnik's occupation army had a cool design too.

>>90184794
>Sonic being a massive cunt to Tails really brings it down.
I prefer Sonic to be a smarmy cunt to his "friends". At least it gives him a personality. But I grew up reading Fleetway so I'm biased.

>>90184342
>Every single game since SA1 has had super be the mandatory final boss fight of every game.
Only one out of three games in the last nine years did this.

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>>90184921
Well, in the end, now we have Sonic that's at least somewhat cunt to Tails and the rest. The letter section was a bonus attraction.

>>90185378
Giving everyone a super form gets kind of laughable.

>>90183365
It wasn't.

It was mostly mediocre with a few cute stories. Archie's comic, due to a longer publication history, had higher highs and lower lows. Neither is better, they're just different.

>>90186243
Princess Sally a shit

a shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

>>90186387
Porker Lewis and Johnny Lightfoot a shit.

It's all the same in the end.

Storytime when?

>>90184342
Having a Super Sonic final boss started with Sonic 3 & Knuckles though.

In that game you unlocked it by beating all the special stages. In Adventure 1 and 2 you unlocked it by finishing every story. In Heroes you had to do both, acquiring the seven emeralds from the special stages and completing the game with every team.

I don't know how the post-06 games handled it though, haven't gotten around to those

>>90186243
>higher highs
Wrong.

>>90186591
I understand your nostalgia blinds you, but even at its best Fleetway never really broke "pretty good," and the artists not being allowed to draw in any sort of kinetic, fluid style is a part of that.

Archie has a number of one or two issue stories that are standout gems while Fleetway thrived on being serial. Sonic's multiverse antics and Robotnik's last stand were strong, but never as strong as self-contained stories like Thicker Than Water or some of DeCesare's oneshots.

>>90186996
Metal Sonic Empire

Also while we're talking about the british comic, their Chaotix Crew was waaaaaay better than the game version.

>>90187643
>Metal Sonic Empire
was pretty much on par with the lead up to #100. It was novel, but in no way outstanding.

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Less of a push on drama and teenage problems and more of a "Hey, this guy is going around harming our world and its people, let's stop him!". The stories were shorter and less convoluted, and a considerably less amount of OC nonsense. Fleetway is superior, and this is from an American who has no nostalgia for Archie. None whatsoever. The art is better, too.

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>>90189156
>The art is better, too.
...It varies.

Even then, Elson's work, which is invariably what people mean when they say StC had good art, was undermined by Sega's demands to keep things "on model." He did a splendid job rendering the characters, but it was all very stiff and nearly copy-paste at times. Even at his best, his work wasn't as good as Stanley, Hesse, or even Skelly's. To say otherwise is as silly as praising Axer's work at Archie; rendering ability is worthless without flow and substance in comics.

Fleetway was pretty shit too. It just had the advantage of being shorter and a few good arcs.

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>>90184794
Thats what I always imagined Sonic to be. He has more personality rather than being the video gaming equivalent of Tony the Tiger. I love that hes done with everyones shit in Sonic Boom

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So what's happening to Archie Sonic anyways? I heard it hasn't gotten anything out lately and someone else sued.

Is it getting pulled?

>>90189476
We never know the answers to these things because Archie thinks any admission of fault is worse than keeping mum.

It looks like Sega refused to renew the license, as the comics are on hiatus for 5 months minimum.

>>90184225
>le generic action girl

Nah. Say what you want about the other Amy's, but at least they weren't that.

Worst Robotnik short of Sonic Underground. He's AoSTH Robotnik with a permanent scowl and none of the flair.

>>90184069
And I don't get why people say this. It's completely unfaithful. It's not all that clever making him a brainless berserker, it's just "wrong."

>>90190740
>implying that reading StC!Robotnik's lines in Baldry's voice isn't the best
>implying STC!Super Sonic wasn't a conniving psychopath capable of tricking people in order to get what he wanted i.e. to kill everyone for funsies

>>90189469
Normally I'd agree, but Fleetway takes it too far. Tails is a kid who looks up to Sonic, it's been that way since the Sonic 2 manual. It doesn't really make sense that Sonic would be a COMPLETE dickass to him. Though thoughtlessness through his own arrogance is expected.

>>90190804
His entire amnesia arc is terrible.

>>90189378
>Hesse has a better grasp of the character than a dude who was drawing him the year the character debuted almost 25 years ago.

Yeah no fuckin shit.

>>90190740
>And I don't get why people say this. It's completely unfaithful. It's not all that clever making him a brainless berserker, it's just "wrong."

They don't make him brainless, he's just incredibly vicious and bloodthirsty. Basically he's carnage.

Also they win major points in my book for subverting the super form because it makes it more it's own thing than just LEL DRAGNBALLS W/ HOGS I mean they were sorta ripping off hulk but it's still a nice change when you're an older fan of the franchise with all these jesus super mode scenes.

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>>90190804
The problem is just reading it as Baldry doesn't make the writing as good.
>kill everyone for funsies
So did they ever resolve this psychotic behavior in the comic? Because having a super mode where he just wants to murder everyone is pretty useless.

>>90184671
I like Shortfuse, but his handling was pretty garbage. All that brooding over his suit, all that status quo.

>>90190948
>So did they ever resolve this psychotic behavior in the comic?

Yeah the emeralds absorb evil basically and can transfer it, so you can control people's will to a degree. When Sonic fucks up and absorbs too much of the evil he flips out and loses control when he gets stressed.

They split the form out of him to cure him, but rather than dissipating the energy back out into the world it transforms into a separate entity which then goes out into the world and becomes more chill and alzheimer-y as his charge runs down.

fuck what am I doing with my life.

>>90190879
...Yeah?

I never said Elson was a lesser artist or this was a "fair" comparison, just that the art most certainly is not better than a good share of Archie's pencillers. We're talking about quality, not comparing eras.

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>>90191106
It's hardly a fair comparison at any rate, archie by virtue of having ran so long already has a higher base average, especially considering that it's still running, and using digital artists and shit.

Both books have had had garbage art, and great work. But the book that died nearly 20 years ago is never gonna stack up against the rest. This is like a beatles/elvis #1's conversation. If you want to compare them then don't use any archie issues that came out after STC ended. Otherwise what's the point of comparing them at all?

I mean besides the fact that archie ended up outright ripping off a bunch of concepts from fleetway you can't even say it was better written the dark ages of both are just as bad in different ways.

>>90191299
>I mean besides the fact that archie ended up outright ripping off a bunch of concepts from fleetway
I don't doubt this happened, but do you have any examples in mind?

>>90183365
Behold the hypercrisis.

STC was hella corny at times and the art varies by artists and slowly dropped a lot of the non-Sonic stripes over time, but man. Growing up with this shit was the best.

Archie was pretty good after Penders left too, to be fair.

>>90183365
>muh edgy super sonic

Fuck off fedora, fleetway is shit.

>>90191408
I can't recall most of them off hand but there were a few. Like Dr. Finitevus being pretty fucking close to Dr. Zachary, a white echidna that ends up with cyborg parts coming out of nowhere on his own to fuck up knuckles day.

I think sonic getting lost in space might have been another one (they even directly reference Fleetway Super as much as they can with some bullshit jargon, but a seperate entity super sonic bent on killing everyone shows up.)

And shit like Sonic beating robotnik who then goes crazy and ends up a blubbering mess with PTSD until he snaps out it better than ever and just tries flat out murdering everyone while sonic emos about how maybe he went too far with robotnik.

There were more than a few cases of very similar specific instances not vague shit like 'robotnik has two henchmen' etc, but more like 'hang on a minute...'

>>90189476
Archie took down Sonic subscriptions, books are being delayed, and for the first time in a long time Sonic was completely missing from solicitations released for May.

We don't know if it's cancelled, but it doesn't look very good.

>>90191408
I'm not sure that robo robotnik was a pull, but fleetway did an early story of robotnik's mind in a robot badnik body that ends up challenging him for his rule and sorta winning, which is similar to robo but I know not the same.

>>90191657
Yeah. Cost cutting.

Expect idw or dc to get the rights.

>>90191637
Robotnik snapping was really well done in Archie. I don't remember reading the Fleetway equivalent to comment on similarities though.

>>90191690
It might be legal trouble related. We knew Archie was in dire straights with SEGA, and now someone else is attempting legal action against Archie over Sonic. This probably ended SEGA's good will.

>>90191571
>muh edgy robotisation

Fuck off fedora, archie is shit.

>>90183365
>Archie
Based on shitty cartoon.
>Fleetway
A comicbook from a country that gave us Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison and The Original Writer.

>>90183365
Why was Super Sonic arbitrarily evil? That was never suggested in the original games.

>>90191851
Archie also rebooted because they lost the rights to certian comic created characters.

Expect another reboot.

>>90191690
This likely isn't Archie's doing. It looks more like SEGA's decision.

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>>90191851
>crediting a comic with its country's accomplishments, and not anyone actually tied to the comic

>>90191922
Soon to be finished anyways.

Probably why they're branching out to marvel for digests.

>>90191918
No chance. The only options here are "Archie loses the rights" or "Back to business as usual." There's no reason to believe Archie would reboot AGAIN.

>>90191996
To be fair, SEGA could absolutely make them reboot it.

Say if they did something harsh like tell them to only use game characters from here on.

>>90191873

STC lore.

Basically, a kindly scientist named Kintobor accidentally crash-landed on Mobius after falling into a black hole. When he beheld an apparent paradise planet, he decided to use his science to protect it from evil.

He found six of the Chaos Emeralds, which are extremely good at absorbing energies and emotions, and used them to absorb all the negative energies and bad feelings on the planet. Problem was, he couldn't really control Chaos energy. He needed the seventh Grey Emerald to really neutralise the bad vibes. Keeping them at super-low temperatures was moderately effective, but without that seventh Emerald, it's a ticking timebomb.

But fuck that, right? We've got science on our side! The Emeralds were now automatically absorbing all the bad juju, it's all good, right?

There was an explosion where Kintobor, a rotten egg and a whole ton of Chaos energy and bad vibes got swirled together, creating Robotnik. Later on, Sonic was caught in a similar explosion and got super-charged with chaos energy and a planets worth of negativity. Thus was born Super Sonic.

The evil absorption was actually used to beat Captain Plunder and his sky-pirates once.

>>90192032
Fair enough, but if I were SEGA, I'd just pull the rights and be done with it. Archie has caused them so much grief. If they legitimately want a sterilized, fresh start without all the issues Archie gave them, it would make more sense to hand it to a new company and let THEM start fresh instead of allowing Archie yet another chance.

But that's from a purely business perspective. I don't really want to see Archie lose Sonic. But I don't think SEGA would be as much of a softy for the comic as I am.

>>90192146
>if I were SEGA

You wouldn't be here.

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>>90192178
It's somewhat implied by a hypothetical situation that I'm not actually SEGA.

>>90192208

Or is that just what you want us to think, Mr. Yuji Naka?

>>90192146
Most opinions I've seen want Sonic away from Archie and onto another publisher. I think kills the current continuity, though, which is something most of those people don't want.

Really it's a bad situation all around.

If it did start fresh with someone new, hopefully SEGA would be more active, advertise it, and treat the thing like a proper extension of the franchise instead of the red-headed step child like they mostly have in the past.

>>90191873

Something else to note: I'm pretty sure Super Sonic wasn't really covered in the old Western canon material, so all the writers had to go by was what the games themselves depicted, specifically Sonic 2 (3 wasn't out yet). So they chose to essentially make him the Hulk.

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>>90192238
Not exactry

>>90192238
But, anon, Naka isn't with SEGA anymore.

>>90192296

There was Cinos in one of the books.

>>90192315

Clearly he's teamed up with Penders in a Legion of Doom-eqsue plot to reclaim ALL the rights!

>>90192293
Yeah, it's a mixed bag. On the one hand, a fresh start could do wonders for them, and could even tie the games together with official canon if they so chose, by working closer with comic writers.

On the other, we lose a TON of built up lore and characters. And Archie was actually doing pretty OK with those in this latest reboot.

>>90191996
Reboot in another company.

>>90192388
I think it's early enough into it that losing the new stuff wouldn't be nearly as bad as losing the stuff they did 3-4 years ago.

However, I think the SatAM characters would be gone, which would have an unknown amount of impact and backlash.

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>>90183365
I Feel like the people that made the Archie Sonic comics never even bothered playing the games. They never really adapted much, they just invented their own little talking animal world and made up a shitload of characters while ignoring a lot of the Sega ones. Then kept on going with that for a couple decades.

Fleetway was at least an adaptation of the games. That's something that the Archie crew never appeared to do at all.

>>90183365
>muh evil supersonic

Literally the only defense Fleetfags have for their shit comic. Archie > Japsanic >>> Fleetway

>>90192440
THAT reboot canned mostly shit nobody cared about. Yes years and years of lore were lost, but they were mostly holdovers from the dark ages that Ian tried his best to legitimize. But they were all still tainted by coming from stupid origins.

As for the SatAM characters, yes there would be backlash, but probably not that much. Fans of Sally and such are really very much in the minority, I'm sorry to say.

>>90184342
>I'd love a stage where you play as sonic's good side trying to reign in the unstoppable super.
That's what the Werehog should have been in all honesty.

>>90192487
>I Feel like the people that made the Archie Sonic comics never even bothered playing the games.
Up until Ian, they mostly did not.

>>90192535
There were plenty of characters and lore people had cared about, anon. It's not like the comic had zero fans before the reboot happened.

>>90192487

That's basically what happened until the new crew took over and sprinked in as much game stuff as possible with the world they had to work with until the reboot. Though it was quite funny in hindsight that Penders was forced to integrate Sonic Adventure into his Knuckles bullshit.

>>90183365
holy shit is Sonichu cannon now?

>>90191637
Fleetway was dead around 80-90 issues I believe. I think it went into the 100s but those were reprints. I want to say Fleetway did a sonic adventure adaptation and then died.

The homages like evil super, finitevus, etc were clearly meant to be fan teases. A fair comparison would probably be the first 80-100 issues between the two. In which case archie has Mecha Madness and the early comedy era to stand on. Some specials are alright for one offs.

Fleetway I can't think of any great arcs outside death of johnny and the metal one. But I also only read the books once and dropped it. Will say their knuckles and amy were vastly supieor. Also liked the chaotix too.

The super sonic change was pretty clever and imo should be what happens to Sonic in archie when he stays super too long. Gets rid of the question of why doesn't he just gather the gems and fuck eggman's shit up.

>>90193259
>Fleetway was dead around 80-90 issues I believe.

Dead fucking wrong. Like, holy shit wrong. There were reprints, but they were slowly phased in (one story per issue) at 135. Three new stories every issue. Full reprints didn't start until 185.

>>90192643
I said "mostly." We lost a couple justified characters. But just because people are given enough time to like something, doesn't mean they actually had quality or are justified to continue existing.

>>90192643
>There were plenty of characters and lore people had cared about

Name three.

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>>90193368
O noes anon. Forgive me not being as autistic as you.

Then compare the first 184.

>>90193456

Your cutting wit has left me bleeding out. God forbid you fucking wiki something, retard.

The only thing people are going to miss from the Archie comic being cancelled is their precious donut steels.

>>90193456

>knowing issues numbers is autistic
>on fucking /co/

Remember Amazing Spider-Man vol 1, issue 235? Will O' The Wisp's origin story.

>>90193430
Tommy the Turtle
Girl Knuckles
Red Sonic

>>90183365

As someone who grew up with Fleetway (and loved it), really, it's mixed. There was cool stuff but also some dumb stuff. People remember the best and forget the worst, and I think when you come off Archie you naturally compare the two and Fleetway looks better by comparison than if you did it the other way around. Like, half the non-Sonic comics in StC were dumb as hell, the other half often boring, and some of them never got finished, IIRC.

Like... each one had stuff that the other was missing? So when you start with one and then look to the other you go "oh cool why didn't my version do that" and you get a good impression of it.

Also StC drew its general sense of humor (and even a bunch of actual jokes and ideas) from other british media, so if you grew up watching the BBC and so on you were aware of when they were being unoriginal.

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>>90193524
Are Sega's donut steels any better? Not really.

>>90193701
I don't think you know what that term means.

>>90193746
I don't think you know what hyperbole is. I'm placing them on level with a fan creation.

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>>90192524

>>90193781
That's not how hyperbole works anon.

>>90192487
>Fleetway was at least an adaptation of the games.
Are you fucking kidding me? Where in the games were the Judge Dredd villains? The Marx brothers parodies? The Bugs and Porky action heroes?

>>90193615
Marco's Magic Football was high art

>>90193940
Hyperbole can contain metaphors.

>>90192524
>Archie being first.
Have you forgotten the decade of shit it produced?

>>90193989
No, he's right. Even factoring that, Archie averages out at a higher level.

I'll always love StC for the letters page. /co/ had some legendary threads with them.

>>90184671
Shortfuse is LITERALLY a furry Captain Atom. He even got a rival that had Major Force's color scheme.

>>90193884

Am I the only one who prefers the name of Metallix to Metal Sonic? It feels like the Robotnik vs Eggman situation, when one is clearly superior

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>>90194214
Fanart section had its highlights as well.
>Unseen University

>>90196357
i used to call the Mecha Sonic of S3K Metallix when i was young.
and now it's part of my username on other sites

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Anyone here who also read STC Online?

>>90199414
long time ago, didn't stick with it

>>90199414

I really

really

REALLY wish

that STC Online stuff wasn't included in the Fleetway Sonic wiki.

>>90192293
Best case scenario: IDW gets the license and is allowed to continue from where Archie left off and they get Ian and everybody back on board.

We get the same comic we love without any of Archie's shitty business practices, Penders can't do shit anymore because he wasn't involved in the comic post-reboot, win win for everybody. It'll be worth waiting through another hiatus if this happens.

Think of all the crossover potential.

>>90200591

This. If they do this, I will pre-order 2017.

>>90196357
Metallix sounds kind of cool, but I have no mental association with it to Metal Sonic.

Are the SatAM characters really that well liked among Sonic fans?

>>90204656
When you factor they've been major players in a comic since before SatAM even came out as well, they definitely have an established fanbase.

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>>90204656
Everyone pretty much agrees that Snively is the best thing to happen to the series

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>>90204957
I think it would be easier to get everyone to agree you're a big weirdo.

>>90205037
You know I dont remember giving you permission to respond to my post

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>>90205130
I'm just that generous.

>>90193701
Doesn't matter. if they steal from themselves it's not stealing

>>90206362
It's still boring, and hackneyed. "Theft" isn't really the concern. Just a notorious phrase people attach to their recolors.

>>90184342
>I'd love a stage where you play as sonic's good side trying to reign in the unstoppable super
That sounds dumb as all hell. Colors did it right by just letting Super be an irrelevant gameplay reward and letting the story ignore it.

>>90189469
In Boom, if Tails starts doing something stupid, Sonic will sarcastically make fun of him, like a friend.

In Fleetway, Sonic will insult (the much younger) tails completely unprovoked.

>>90204656
Even within the comic's fandom, which is an extremely small section of the community, it's not unanimous.

>>90206811
>Colors did it right by just letting Super be an irrelevant gameplay reward and letting the story ignore it.
I don't like this approach. In Lost World it was also this thing you got after the game is already over. That's not that fun or exciting.

I want it to matter, and be hype as fuck, and potentially the reward you get for performing well in a minigame. Otherwise it just feels like a wet fart.

True endings you earn are great.

>>90207069
Colors DS did that and it's boring. If you really want it to matter before the game's over, just let it be achievable before the game is over like Sonic 2.

>>90207119
>just let it be achievable before the game is over like Sonic 2.
That's pretty much exactly what I want.

>>90192524
>Liking the shitty furry soap opera the best.

Even when compared to other Sonic media, it's shit. Yes, even shittier than Ow the Edge's game and '06 combined.

>>90199414
>Bacon bits
Why do they do this?
>Hmm how do we make this female character look strong
>I know! Let's make her a total bitch who takes no shit from men!

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>>90183365
>lads

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>>90210659
Holy shit thanks.

>>90211224
Why does Sonic always look pissed off in every picture of the Fleetway comic I've come across?

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>>90211243

>>90211096
Is that the berries and cream guy.

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>>90190847
Yeah, but the Secret Zone arc was amazing
>You can't trust him, he'll betray you!
>No, he won't!
>Yes, I will.
>Wait, wh-
>BOOM
>>90190948
>The problem is just reading it as Baldry doesn't make the writing as good.
I respectfully disagree. Baldry had a lot of range, and having him as a more sinister Robotnik is great to me, even if it's just in my head.
>>90193259
Actually, StC #99-100 are some of my favourite issues of any ongoing. Then again, I'm easily pleased.
>Fleetway did a sonic adventure adaptation and then died
Sort of. Fleetway wanted out of the comics business, so they did their SA adaptation and just sort of ended it there, even when the writers insisted they could wrap everything up in a few more issues... then the title continued as a reprint-only book.
>>90193945
>The Bugs and Porky action heroes?
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Pocky#Sonic_the_Comic
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Picky#Sonic_the_Comic
>>90199515
Same here. I found it was getting a bit fanwanky, and I thought some characters were a bit ooc. I heard a while back that they did a Sonic '06 adaptation, where Silver was Ebony's and Super Sonic's test tube baby.
>>90200591
But what IDW properties could they ACTUALLY do a crossover with? I'm scratching my brain, and I'm not coming up with anything that wouldn't be pretty damn incongruous.
>>90204656
Maybe not as much now, but SatAM Sonic was considered THE Sonic by a lot of the more "enthusiastic" fans for a loooong time

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>>90212637
>I'm not coming up with anything that wouldn't be pretty damn incongruous.

Remember the time Sonic and co. met the Maxx, Savage Dragon, ShadowHawk and fucking Spawn?

Also, TMNT and maybe Transformers are IDW that could work.

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>>90212725
That was just Penders shilling for his crappy Image "series" that lasted one whole issue.
>TMNT
Actually, that has potential...
>tfw Archie had the license to both Sonic and TMNT, and flat-out said they'd never have a crossover in an early issue of Sonic

>>90212725
What the fuck is with Spawn's chin

>>90212806
Given how big both were in the early 90's, they must have been smoking something to refuse a crossover.

>>90190879
>"Of course the guy who drew the character 25 years ago was worse!"
>Other poster was saying that Elson was better at rendering the character while modern artists are better at fluidity and action.
>"Of course the guy from 25 years ago was better at drawing the character on model while the people who had 25 years to get good are worse at drawing the character but have better fundamentals."

Do you actually think about what you type before you post it? If anything it should be the other way around.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BlackDogBrew

this guy made really indepth, well made videos of the entire plotline and nearly every major character. As a nice bonus his voice is sexy as hell

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>>90184342
Does it really count as a Deus Ex Machina if it's a reliably-occurring and in-story superpower? Saying Super Sonic is an unexpected third-act intervention for the heroes at this point is like saying Superman saving the day because he's a flying brick was pulled out of the writer's ass.

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>>90193524
But they're good donut steels! With better writing and motivations than the average in-game Sonic character!

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>>90213022
>What the fuck is with Spawn's chin
I'm more concerned about Savage Dragon being half-jellybean, Tails giving Cyberforce (?) the evil eye, and The Maxx having a bad flashback.
>Given how big both were in the early 90's, they must have been smoking something to refuse a crossover.
Well, Mirage had mostly made deals with Nintendo for TMNT games, so I guess Sega were a little miffed. Never underestimate the pettiness of executives...

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>>90211243
Sonic, he can really move!
Sonic, he's got an attitude!

>mfw i made this thread yesterday and thought it just immediately died

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>>90193945
They obviously made their own stuff up, but whenever a new game came out they'd re-imagine the storyline into the comic.

StC never really left the danger zone of the autism spectrum while at least Archie occasionally dips into "harmless" territory.

>>90212637
>But what IDW properties could they ACTUALLY do a crossover with? I'm scratching my brain, and I'm not coming up with anything that wouldn't be pretty damn incongruous.
Transformers, TMNT, Disney, Skylanders, they've got things that could work. Hell, Sonic vs Godzilla would be awesome.

>>90191851
Is the Original Writer Mark Millar, because if not he worked on it too.

>>90196357
I prefer Metallix to Metal Sonic because I grew up loving the metallix in fleetway. But also because I think Metal Sonic is a terrible name. I get that it's his designation but when characters use it then it sounds REALLY clunky.

Like if Sonic referred to him as Metal it'd be fine, but he calls him Metal Sonic like he's addressing someone else's copy. But he should call it Metal Me or something. I dunno, having sonic yell It's Metal Sonic, seems really stupid, especially considering for the longest time there wasn't a metal anyone else, so it comes off as really hokey.

That being said the solution would always be easier if they were just like RUN SHIT FUCK IT'S A METALLIX!

Also holy shit fleetway banking on the fact that Doctor Who was off the air to introduce the daleks and davros as metal sonics, eh?

>>90192524
Evil Super, Cap'n Plunder, Evil absorbing Emeralds, No shitty Knuckles family adventures, Legion of Dalek Metallix, Mighty was in Chaotix, Game adaptions, No robotnik body swapping, Piss takes of the Mario bros mixed with Marx bros references, Adapting other games like shinobi and wonder boy, game reviews, Other game characters getting their own stories, Tails being blade runner and almost assassinating robotnik with a rifle given to him by a unicorn man.

Fleetway had a ton of cool shit going on.

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>>90209206
That's actually conisistent writing for the fleetway universe, everyone is a massive prick to everyone else. I'm sure if you read a couple issues you'll see amy or tekno or tails or johnny being a shit to someone else.

>>90215553
>No robotnik body swapping
Didn't that still happen? He went from his game design to the AOSTH design.

>>90214513
>Does it really count as a Deus Ex Machina if it's a reliably-occurring and in-story superpower?
If the hero can never lose a single fight and it just really becomes a case of 'why didn't the power rangers just get in the zord first and stomp the monster before it has a chance to grow' it might not be a deus ex machina, but it certainly is a shitty story crutch that will cripple all the stories tension.

Look at it this way, everyone loves LIMIT?! But how good would that scene have been if he just suped up and wailed on robotnik and took everyone home? It wouldn't. So they did that whole thing with rerouting the teleport ray and sonic tricks robotnik. That is what makes that story awesome.

Him turning yellow and taking a machine/god/ancient evil/manifestion of negative energy apart is and always will be boring because it's been overdone to the nth degree. The whole problem with the super form is that it was a reward in the 2 for being good at the game, a neat extra in 3 AND K, of you beat both, and then somehow became an in universe plot fixture that starts a 'power levels' thing which is always when you know a series is at a dead end. It bring out the worst of the dragonball fandom type attitude to sonic which really doesn't need it.

>>90215786
he forced a regeneration by turning into an egg and hatching as a new design.

later he just put a jacket on to go from aosth to SA1.

>>90215926
>everyone loves LIMIT
no

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>>90183365
>People like this shit
>These same people who like this will also call Shadow edgy
JUST

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>>90215480

>>90214622
The Maxx is handled so terribly in that crossover, it's absurd. At least skim an issue of someone's series before you write their character.

>>90217032
Yeah now imagine how clunky it's gonna be when that busts through the wall and Knuckles yells "It's Metal Knuckles!" As opposed to someone just shouting "Metalliiiiix!"

Also that Knux Metallix is way cooler than Metal Knuckles.

>>90210659
Tekno a cute. I wouldn't mind if she came back.

>>90212637
>The Bugs and Porky action heroes?
Look, just because a pig and rabbit exist in Sonic's universe doesn't mean they're being faithful to the idea. Johnny and Porker Lewis are bizarre.

>>90214780
Don't they have that in common with Archie though?

>>90216569
You don't understand, Super Sonic is just Sonic driven crazy by the power of chaos, no stupid backstory and idiotic drama, it even creates an interesting on how much of a double edge sword this form is and what it means for Sonic to go there. Shadow is just a fucking try hard, even his design is trying too hard.

>>90219791
Sonic being afraid he'll go crazy and hurt his friends is pretty much idiotic drama.

>>90219286
You know that a lot of the time everyone just calls Metal Sonic "Metal," right?

>>90219791
>Super Sonic is just Sonic driven crazy by the power of chaos
>no stupid backstory and idiotic drama
>A super powered evil alter ego driven crazy by the OVERWHELMING POWER AHHAHAHAHA is not a stupid backstory or an idiotic source of drama.

...m8

>>90221408
>You know that a lot of the time everyone just calls Metal Sonic "Metal," right?

but they don't though. Post reboot I don't think he's ever been referred to as less than 'full title' and even in the preboot it was like 1/10 times they'd just call him metal.

>>90216569
Fleetway super isn't edgy though, he's a send up of edgy and fuckin fun.

There's no redemption arc, no developing his character, no delving into what truly makes him different from sonic or any of that shit. It's just, he's mental, fucking run. It's actually refreshing and totally the opposite of shadow who has to be constantly justified with tons of boring ass exposition and aliens and machine gunning girls and armies and shit.

fleetway: emeralds absorb bad. Sonic absorbs emeralds, Stressed Sonic goes bad. Compare that to shadow's spanish soap opera of robot doubles and bullshit.

>>90221994
They refer to him as Metal in the Sonic Boom game so you can say they did one thing right with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhwK_H-IDCw

>>90211243
Because Sonic is constantly pissed off in Fleetway. Everybody's sort of miserable, really.

>>90221994
I blame Ian more than anything. Shit, even under Gallagher Sonic called him "Mecha."

>>90215926
But Super Sonic only gets whipped out against things that could feasibly beat Super Sonic. And the games and Archie actually had it harder for Super Sonic to emerge, since he needed all the Chaos Emeralds instead of just being slightly angrier than usual.

>>90219791
That is definitive edge, especially when the original source is just turning yellow and running faster.

>>90222062
Edge doesn'y mean overly elaborate and melancholic, Super Sonic is just as edgy as Shadow's original appearance (whose redemption arc makes him LESS edgy) and the Evil Routes of Shadow's own game. "Sonic gets pissed off and FLIPS OUT and kills everybody and it's wicked cool" is absolutely edgy, and not a send up of anything.

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>>90214668
Thank you, OP. It's always fun to discuss something that was such a big part of my childhood!
>>90218757
>Penders
>doing the most basic form of research
Pick one.
>>90219394
It's called "putting a fresh twist on established lore".
>>90222711
>If you only go by Shadow in SA2, he's far less edgy than Fleetway's Super Sonic!
Sorry, couldn't hear you over those goalposts you're moving. And if liking a gleeful yet erudite psychopath with eye beams is edgy, then I'd better get my bum down to whatever Britain's equivalent of Hot Topic is.

>>90222711
>"Sonic gets pissed off and FLIPS OUT and kills everybody and it's wicked cool" is absolutely edgy, and not a send up of anything.

Wrong
Super sonic was written by two brits taking the piss out of american comics of the time, it was literally hulk+carnage.

And it wasn't when he got pissed, it was whenever he got stressed, it was when he got mad or scared too much he'd switch too.

>>90222711
Shadow is the embodiment of edge, his bolted on backstory of being half alien and not knowing his origins and shit just made him even more hot topic fodder than he was originally. he seriously shoulda stayed dead after SA2.

>>90222865
>It's called "putting a fresh twist on established lore".
This was in response to
>Fleetway was at least an adaptation of the games. That's something that the Archie crew never appeared to do at all.
Fleetway is just as off the rails as Archie. Though not in all the same ways.

>>90222865
I can't move goalposts I didn't set, and yes that's absolutely edgy. Shadow the Hedgehog is as edgy as the games get, and he's still nowhere near as edgy as Fleetway's Super Sonic, who is being claimed as not edgy at all.

Where can an American read Sonic the Comic? Never seen floppies or trades anywhere on the net.

>>90210659
>>90223088
there's a download here.

>>90222899
Well, there's a good argument for both sides of the Atlantic going off-script...
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Ricky#Sonic_the_Hedgehog_.28TV_series.29
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Rocky#Sonic_the_Hedgehog_.28TV_series.29
>>90222932
I think it's more about execution. I enjoy Fleetway's Super Sonic as much as I do Archie's Team Dark, but in the games the former is the usual boss battle and the latter is padding with (as one Anon pointed out) tedious telenovella b.s.
>>90223088
British comic book companies don't really "do" trade paperbacks. Damned annoying, as Marvel UK did an amazing Spider-Man comic during the 00's, and there's only two digest trades, and they only cover a few dozen issues.

>>90183911
(you)

>>90223279
>Well, there's a good argument for both sides of the Atlantic going off-script...
That's precisely what I just finished saying, dude.

>>90223327
Fair enough - I was just trying to show off.

>>90223474
I just wanted to be clear I wasn't saying Archie was better or anything. Certainly not when it comes to being faithful to games, anyways.

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>>90223513
Nah, I get it - as other Anons have said, Archie and Fleetway have had their ups and their downs

>>90222865
No but for real, Maxx is treated like a Hulk clone when he's known for long, ponderous thoughts and accidentally shouting out his internal monologue. He isn't retarded, just maladjusted. It's so insulting.

>>90197965
Don't be mean anon, I had drawings posted in STC.
Not that one, but still...

>>90183365
Archie comic really wasn't bad though, sure it did have hiccups but it wasn't a garbage book. I will say Fleetway is interesting, though some of it's ideas were questionable.