[Miss] America [Chavez] #1 Lettered Preview

>>90182485
>arcs
>arcS
One. And you know it

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End.

>>90182490
Jesus fuck that "art"...

How much is Marvel charging for this?

>>90182485
How big is a marvel trade? That many issues

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>>90182499

>>90182490
How the fuck do any of these people know who she is? Kate and Loki are the only ones who have ever met her!

Is it just me or does everything except the speech bubbles look very fucking blurry? Like it was drawn smaller than it should have been and then enlarged in Microsoft paint.

>>90182542
I thought she hated them.

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>>90182569
I blame colorist. He looks great in Howard the Duck

>>90182628
You are right, I assumed it was just preview compression, but the text looks fine

>>90182629
Well now they answer to HER, but the only one she really seemed to dislike was Carol, although that may be because she was the one fucking things up in Civil War.

>>90182686
No, I meant her parents.

>>90182699

Retconned.

No one in printed media is allowed to hate a member of the LGBTQI community.

>>90182699
their sacrifice is what inspired her to become a multiversal hero in the first place, knowing full well she could never return home again

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>>90182607
no idea what you were going for, but here

>>90182607

Her legs are way nicer than his.

>>90182779

Now his legs are way nicer than hers.

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>>90182515
No wonder this looks so drab. Quinones isn't doing his own colors again. He did it himself (with Jordan Gibson) for a majority of Zdarsky's Howard and it looked stellar. (even the colorist before he started doing his own colors was better >>90182665)

He's only on color for these covers now.

>>90182490
What the fuck is this pretentious drivel?

>>90182485
Please build the wall soon.

>>90182889
the wall is set to go up sometime around the start of secret empire 2

>>90182515
>super-strong queer brown girl that punches star shaped holes through dimensions

the most cringe thing I've read in a while

>>90182901
Found the illegal

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>>90182934
I'd say it's up there with "YAAS QUEEN!"

>>90182954
I don't know what you think I mean but Secret Empire II starts shortly after IvX is done

>>90182617
You forget the part where at the start of any new book, especially if the MC is a female, it's now mandatory to suddenly have them world-famous and have everyone else praising the MC and explicitly saying how they think they're great (unless the very point of the book is that the MC is obscure and/or trying to do without the superhero biz)

>>90182499
Her non-costume definitely looked better and YA was probably the ONE young adult book from Marvel that actually felt like it understood its audience (unlike this drivel here >>90182515)
and had fashionable redesigns on point.
On the other hand, those pants possibly make her look T H I C C-er than before.

>>90182668
>>90182628
That's always the case with the previews. The text bubbles are crisp while the rest is kinda blurry.

>>90182485
>impyling it is'nt a stealth mini

>>90183044
This isn't Secret Empire II, it's just Secret Empire. The original Secret Empire arc with Nixon trying to take over America wasn't called "Secret Empire." The Secret Empire was just the name of his terrorist organization.

>>90183190
I calls it how I sees it

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>>90182515
>super-strong queer brown girl

Oh, I see. It's one of those.

>>90182490

Welp, this page has already put me off.

When you have characters all talking about her and praising her, it just turns me off, mainly because that's in the category of telling and not showing. Show me WHY she's supposed to be cool. This page just frickin' takes up space and is unnecessary.

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>>90182515

>>90183296
>Show me WHY she's supposed to be cool
they showed you back in YA and Ultimates

>>90183321
/polco/ doesn't read comics anymore, just panels that upset them

>>90183296

Agreed. Also when did Loki become so damn ugly? Even classic ugly Loki looked better.

>>90183321

Hey, I'm just saying this in the perspective of a first time reader. The first timers are gonna look at this preview and be very irked at it. It's not great to start off with other characters praising her, as it makes her come off as a mary sue.

>>90183321

> you need read other comics in order to be able to enjoy this one

No. It's a first issue. It should grab you immediately.

>>90182515
>Kate Bishop (a.k.a. the REAL Hawkeye)
Are they still doing this shit?

>>90182617
>How the fuck do any of these people know who she is?
re:civvies
superhero bloggers are pretty popular in MCU right now. they do opinion pieces on superheroes on youtube, some cover a range of heroes, some focus on one specifically. Miles Morales kinda hates his because she cares more about his skin color than his accomplishments.

re: capes
six degrees of separation. She's saved the life of a friend for nearly every one who operates in the USA

>>90182515
>>90182542
Wow, that's hilariously hamfisted even for Marvel standards.

>>90183378
they're gonna keep doing it till you pull your finger out your ass and get a job writing for marvel

>>90182485
the interiors are complete ass cheeks

>>90182542
>>90182528

I briefly forgot that Mon was short for Monica and was wondering why the fuck everyone was suddenly talking with a jamaican vernacular

>>90183321

This is marvel. They keep relaunching for new readers every few months. So for someone to look at an issue 1 and not understand why a character is supposed to be cool kind of defeats the purpose.

>>90182490
>>90182499
How can it possibly be so difficult to write a good book with a female lead? So many books with great character concepts ruined by fucking idiots trying to do whatever this is supposed to be. Fucking hell, I'm mad.

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quirky females characters are so regressive I hate this trend
also there's so many talented female writers in the industry and they bring in this meme LBGT ebook writer
wtf

>>90182490

Didn't Loki turn bad again? I also hope this book sells so bad it won't even be put on life support like other female lead books and ends as soon as possible.

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>>90182490
>bottom left panel
That's the author self-insert, isn't it?

>>90183677
>Didn't Loki turn bad again?
he's playing a long con in Mighty Thor, and explicitly good in Vote Loki just a bit cheeky and reckless

>>90182485

However many you can fit into 9 issues.

>>90182485
I give it 12 issues before cancellation.

Why won't Marvel assign their good artists to their female books?

>>90183416
I wonder if these books will be seen as propaganda in the future.

>>90182515
So she basically was the Young Avengers despite not being in the original line up ? Is this on par with kate being called the real hawkeye?

>>90184039

Propaganda for what?

>>90184039
nah, just representing of the 2010's what Youngblood represented of the 90's

>>90182485
>pepegirl.jpg

>>90182490
Did everybody at Marvel forget the basic writing rule of "having a dozen characters tell the audience that this one character is awesome will only lead to the opposite intended effect"?

>>90183350
Thanks fucking jason aaron and his shitty edgy evil loki

>>90184135
How did they forget when that's the only way they've tried to get people to warm up to Danvers for the longest time?

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>>90182490
>Sis from another Miss.

Good Lord, this is shit.

>>90182490
>Cure
>MCR
Marvel, always so hip and trendy!

>>90183726
Yeesh. I never thought I'd see a woman that makes Lena Dunham look fuckable, but here we are.

>>90184135

>Did everybody at Marvel forget the basic writing rule of "having a dozen characters tell the audience that this one character is awesome will only lead to the opposite intended effect"?

I always call this "Steven Seagaling" a character, since his movies were infamous for allies and enemies both giving these insane, rambling monologues on how Stevel Seagal is the coolest man in the galaxy.

First page. "She's our future." That's the author inserting xerself

>>90184336
Or maybe since Storm doesnt know her she thinks of America the country.

I know america is the continent but a lot of people refer to the US as America

>>90184199
I have no idea what he meant by that

>>90184374
I'm guessing it's the equivalent of "Brother from another mother". Someone you aren't related to, but have a strong, almost fraternal bond or friendship with.

>>90182490
>green haired black lesbian with an asisn gf

Is already too rare to see an asian with black guy.

>>90184367
No, he means the xenderfluid thing.

>>90182528
Hey, a Chanda-class. Neat.

>>90182490
>Ms. Hardy
Isn't she a waned fugitive? Why is she making public appearances? She isn't a "can't prove anything" type of criminal like Wilson Fisk.

>>90182877
We've got to have a positive reel about who she is. And I'm further convinced Miles was a mistake.

>>90183441
If only.

>>90183615
What's worse is that Casey didn't write her as such, she was legitimately hotheaded and portrayed as too aggressive, your typical sassy Latina. They severely toned that down so now she sounds off-putting, she has that kind of overconfidence that you'd expect was classic setup to bite one back in the ass -except that never happens.

>>90184221
inb4 b4rneyfag
and queer has a different meaning here like in the LGBTIQ acronym, it doesn't stand as "insult for gays" but rather "non-conforming to sexual attraction and gender standards" or something like that

>>90182977
You forget Slay!

Wow has nothing sounded more cringe than that piece of trash slang.

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>>90182977
>>90184525

>>90182528
>What is this thing?
>Her
did she just assumed that alien's gender?

>>90182528
That pronoun was the final nail for me.

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>>90182515
>Pa' fuera, pa' la calle

>>90184599
What pronoun?

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>>90184392

>>90182515
>Pa`fuera Pa`la calle

STOP USING THE GUETTO SLANG OF MY LANGUAGE YOU FUCKING AMERICANS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>90182515
Gotta lay down all the cards early, eh, Marvel?

>>90182485
>How many arcs do you think this will last?
Too many.

>>90183348
>being this butthurt that people disagree with you.
You sure you don't have something to reblog, tumblrite?

>>90184097
Youngblood was easier to laugh at.

Can't laugh at this without being called some very unkind things.

>>90182515

Step up gringos, I can cringe in two languages with this shit

>>90184788
You can't out-cringe me, son.

I live in Canada.

>>90182515
Damn, what a piece of shit. Marvel really doesn't know how to handle LGBT characters.

>>90184679
Their

>>90182485
Will it last until All-America Comiz comes out?

>>90184788
>outside on the streets
What's cringy about that?

>Captcha: Extra CALLE
Fitting.

>>90182490
has arachnid kid even met star girl before?

>>90184897

It translates as "get the hell out of here", like when someone is telling you something you don't believe, more or less. South american slang feeling just as forced and unnatural as the rest of the page

>>90184692
Does it make sense in context? Mind that she is ambiguously Latina.
If those words are eventually incorporated into the English language and fit there with a non-slang meaning, there are no frog sounds that are going to stop this process, it's just how languages work, especially in a world where the barriers between oral and written language are coming down.
Do you see Italians REEEEEEing at you for using the word "ghetto" which used to be Venetian dialect?

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>>90182490
>Babe
Calling your life partner babe is Caroljess's thing!

>>90183459
why don't they shorten danver to dan

>>90182490
>my sis from another miss

Stop making comics, Marvel. Seriously you suck at this

>>90182490
Well I dislike this comic already but I will be joining in the storytime threads just to see /co/ trash it.

>>90182490
>>Better than the Cure
NOTHING IS BETTER THAN THE CURE! Fuck this comic!

>>90183301
That's quite gay.

>>90184960
PA is short for "para", which for and the only people who use them are the ghetto trash from latino countries

>>90182490
What in the fuck is this trash I'm reading?

Cancel it ASAP, Marvel.

I thought her moms were bad people? I didn't read all of Young Avengers so maybe I missed something.

>>90184097
If only. Nobody was ever labled as being "on the wrong side of history" for not conforming to big guns and pouches.

>>90183378
Wasn't the point of Fraction's run to establish that there isn't a "real" Hawkeye as both Kate and Clint share the mantle equally? Like they are no "Lady Hawkeye" or "Hawkguy" (although I think that name was a joke in the run, iirc) more than they is two Hawkeye doing their own thing and everyone is fine with that, nobody is fighting for it.

I thought that bit was pretty neat and it was case of a legacy character done right. I'm not up to date with current Marvel's stuff for a few years considering the low quality of the majority of them (and this one is not an exception ; the preview really put me off) but why would anyone want to change that? What happened in-universe (because we know in-reality it's a case of bad writing) that made everyone pushing Kate to be THE Hawkeye?

>>90184640
patria socialista o muerte camarada

>>90182490
That's some bullshit Kate, you know damn well that Cassie is your best friend.

>>90185326
So it'd be like saying "fo'?"

>>90182528
How can this place be on the outskirts of America's home dimension, if her home dimension is sealed off and separated from the rest of the MU?

Depends. How much slaying in formation needs to be done? Yass!

>>90182490
When have Storm and Miles ever interacted with America?

And I fucking know Black Cat doesn't know her, so I can't tell if the writer is going for some coy plausible deniability shit or if they just put in somebody telling the truth about not knowing her.

>>90182485
half of one.

>>90182629
She didn't

0/10 I hope it tanks

>>90182499
>>90182607
The costume is horrible, it makes her look like a doll with a fucked up waist.

>>90182542
How two woman give birth baby? she molested? She lesbian to.

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>>90184897

Its part of a song, the equivalent of cringey hip hop that only tards would listen to but for latinos.

Even if you read it as just a phrase, the way its written sounds like something that your grandma would say

>>90185743
She came from "lesbian fanfic dimension".

I'm not joking.

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>she's a lesbian warrior from a lesbian utopia
>Marvel isn't pushing this character as her Wonder Woman

>>90182490

I'm going to assume Storm thinks they were talking about the country of America. I don't want any X-men dragged into this.

>>90182542
>Moms

Stopped reading there

>>90182499
You know that your comic is shit when the first pages or the cover start with a lolsotrendy selfie

How do we Make America Great Again?

>>90184381
I haven't been following Chaves or Miles at all, but is there literally any sort of background to back this up at all? I don't recall the two of them ever so much as being in the same comic, outside of may be an event spread.

>>90185480
yes

>>90182485
I love the whole star spangled thing but this seems like sjw lefty dribble
and about there is only one real hawkeye its clint barton

And people give Carol's comic shit when there is literally fucking garbage like this being made at Marvel?

>>90183363
agreed if issue 1 doesn't grab me i drop it like a deuce

>>90185993
>why didn't all those people in the past shit on a comic that didn't exist yet?

>>90186009
Ms America in the young avengers shit was dogshit too and they still gave Carol shit, this only focuses on it more

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>>90182485

I want to know who the fuck is this horrible colourist working on this to never buy shit from them again. I know is not Paolo because he is a top tier artist but the rest are literally whos for me.

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>>90185894
Buy the image version

>>90186016
Yeah, but it wasn't this dogshit. Even the focus on her ridiculous backstory didn't crop up until later. She was merely tolerable in that comic, though the comic fairly intolerable as a whole.

>>90186037
Is it out yet? Because I'm cautiously hype about it ever since the Marvel's Not!mini-series got announced.

>>90186018
>I want to know who the fuck is this horrible colourist working on this
Spaniard José Villarrubia, who began his career with Jae Lee's Hellshock, then moved on to the Big Two and occasionally a very few other publishers such as Dark Horse.

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>>90186037
How about the OG minority woman embodiment of America?

>>90185464
>implying Marvel cares about 05 Young Avengers
>implying everything good from that series hasn't been destroyed

>>90186067
No specific release date announced, maybe later this year, because Dragotta is currently working on East on West, while Joe Casey has a few new books from Lion Forge as part of Catalyst Prime [redux].

>>90186067
Not until June at the earliest, seeing as it hasn't been solicited yet,

>>90182499
>3 people wearing the same outfit
How lazy can you get?

>>90182490
>everyone is either gay or a woman

The future!

>>90182490
Holy shit Quinones is my favorite working artist right now and this looks fucking awful. Did the colorist just use the bucket tool on the lineart layer? It really looks like it. Holy shit.

>>90182485
What's the appeal of this bitch

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>>90185461
Somebody needs a ride.

>>90182515
>Kate Bishop (a.k.a. the real Hawkeye)
It's like they unironically want to piss off a sizable part of their audience
Oh well, guess I'll still give my dollaroos to DC, Image and Valiant

>"america" is a spic
subtle, marvel.

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>>90182490
>Fear not mi gente
Why they keep doing this?

>>90185812
So you read most of the preview then?

>>90186705
How is valiant? What I saw last time I checked, it seemed very deep in heroes killing each other and a lot of tacticool, assassins, swords and guns. Weirdly 90s in feel.

>>90186951
No tengan miedo, my people.

>>90182490
>a queer, brown-skinned, latina immigrant is the future of the US
wow really makes you think

>>90186951
Lo siento, my iron bro, but how will people know she's hispana if she don't talk in random espa~ol!?

The worst part about this is that the cheesy first page with everyone extolling America's virtues will probably be the best page in the book, solely by virtue of having characters people actually like to some degree (even if butchered here).

>>90186983
It's great. Marvel could learn a thing or two from them.

>>90182485
I hope this era of Marvel is something we can look back on one day and laugh at, because it's so goddamn stupid.

Captain America being a blond, blue-eyed, white male was just too much, so we had to make him into a nazi and pass his mantle onto a black man and a Hispanic woman. It's fucking hilarious.

>>90186983
Yep, it started out that way, but luckily, their books are very diverse in genres (admittedly, I'm a little behind schedule, because I'm collecting the deluxe hcs).
My recs:
-Archer & Armstrong: fun historical shenagians from Van Lente (like his Hercules run)
-Raí: awesome cyberpunk future tales with Crain art
-X-O Manowar: bombastic GL-style space opera

>>90182542
someone actually wrote this.

someone looked this over and said,without a hint of irony, "this is ok"

this reads like a fucking satire

>>90182515
>Kate Bishop (a.k.a the REAL Hawkeye)

God help me.

>>90182607
I actually see it a little bit, the triangle cut with a belt part, leather jacket with red gloves, and knee high black boots. It's not a total match but I get what you're saying

>>90183726
wow, down to the red collar and hat, yikes

>>90187040
Chicanos were a mistake

>>90186820
She's also said to be the 'future'. Marvel is far from subtle.

Guys it's ok
It's a Marvel comic do the sales will be so so poor that it gets what ten issues maybe twelve

>>90182490
Wow, you couldn't go even a single page before turning to shit?

>>90185743
She came from a universe Wiccan created. I'm just let your imagination take it from there

>>90187613
I'll be surprised if it manages even that. Might end up turning into another stealth mini.

>>90187731
That boy ain't right.

>>90182542
>BOOM
>BAP

One for each cheek!

>>90184244
that's a woman!?

>>90187529
She's wearing plaid underneath the sweater. It's the casual butch look.

>>90182490
On one, hand, I think the concept of a Multiverse travelling hero is interesting, and I wanted to read this book because it actually ties to the ultimates arc, according to the solicits.

But come fucking on, this writing is so off--putting. Also this page backs up the idea that Miss America is the poochie of the marvel universe.

>>90187958
Can you have more than one Poochie? There are plenty of characters in marvel that are up there. Shouldn't that make her "a poochie" as opposed to "the poochie"?

>>90187997
As far as I'm concerned, she's a Poochie from a Poochie dimension created by another Poochie.

Poochieception.

>>90182515
>Pa' fuera, pa' la calle

Is this a legit expression people from Costa Rica or wherever America comes from really use? Or is this a "how do you do fellow latinos" thing? I sure as hell had never heard it before.

>>90188062
I know of "a la puta calle," but that expression I only know it from some song.

>>90187997
She is THE poochie. Even if the concept has potential, she really hits all the special snowflake notes to the point one would think she's some sort of parody character.

>Brown and Latina
>Bi
>People seemingly love her. Everyone in the multiverse loves her, in fact.
>Comes from a heaven dimension of perfect people unique in the multiverse, had 2 moms.
>Powerful enough to fight blue Marvel, Carol and Monica
>Asspull powers like portals in her eyes
>People constantly compliment her strength

I don't actually hate the character, I just don't care about her. But she really is THE Poochie of the marvel universe

>>90188062

I'm from Spain and I don't understand what it means in this context. I mean pa' is short for "para" and in this phrase it means something like "go outside, to the streets". Maybe some south american hermano can help you because that's not the kind of spanish we use.

>>90188265
It means what it means, simply. It's nothing metaphorical.

>>90188265
I'm a south american hermano and I had never heard the expression before. It sounds so bad, tho, like something out of a calle 13 song.

>>90183726
If there's one thing that's been true for my entire life it's that butch lesbians are the best people to smoke pot with

>>90182499
THICC

>>90183726
In the thumbnail she looked like a guy, I opened it and she still looks like a guy. No joke she reminds me of my uncle.

>>90182490
¿Alguien sabe que es un capicu?

>>90188265
Properly translates to "GET THE FUCK OUT, WE'RE FULL! REEEEEE!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhMlVvEotU

Which makes it pretty ironic as the title for a comic about a super gay hispanic called miss america or something.

>>90182542

>moms
>ambigiously brown woman
>probably an illegal alien anyway

Oh Marvel. What are you doing?

>>90182542
Has Monica done anything lately beyond token fill in, job, or dick holder? Because between CW2, Ultimates, and this, I have yet to see her actually land a punch.

>>90182490
If shes gay why nitbshow her being a perv or masturbating to women.

Seems unrealistic.

Dear Marvel,

Latin Americans do not work the way you think you do.

- Signed, a Latin American fan living in South America.

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Friendly reminder that Kate Leth's Hellcat lasted for 17 issues.

Is Marvel aware that no one likes Danvers and if they killed her off forever and pulled a sworn affidavit stating that she will never come back to the comics, their sales would go up by 300%?

>>90188694
>expecting a Drumpf-supporting company to know or even care about how Latin Americans work

>>90182515
I want to hate this stronk bitch

>>90188775
>Marvel
>Trump supporting
Please find me one singular page or even a single panel that shows Trump, an expy of Trump, or Trump's policies in a positive light in the entire line-up of Marvel comics

Because if all you have to go on by that is the CEO or exec or whatever donating a few million to his charity for veterans, you are seriously blowing that out of proportion.

>>90182515

LOL good god!

Just disgusting.

>>90188694
Here is an idea you sack of trash, why don't you precocious latrineos write your own comics so you can be "represented" properly?

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>>90186110

Looking up his work, his colouring it's not bad at all. And I know ' linework is solid >>90182665 so that means someone here is not even trying.

He is using the most lazy colouring I've seen in a big 2 book. Basically a lot of fill bucket (on the first page he didn't even bother to give a shine/reflection to the girls' glasses so it looks like she is wearing opaque specs), very eyesore-ing use of 2 tone gradients, there's little to no shadows for the characters, it's inconsistent in whether the linework inside characters should be coloured in or not and because of that the linework look blurry in some places.Maybe this is because it's a preview.

I guess he doesn't really care about this book. Quinones doesn't seem either since >>90182542 here it looks like Monica is flying away with a constipated face instead of just being hit hard enough that her body goes to crash into Carol's ship. There's no force to this panel at all and the 'movement lines' from the enemy's slap look more like a light ray she made. The SSKKKRR doesn't sound like a proper onomatopoeia you would use for being hit, the only thing I could think of is that this conveying 'sizzling' (given how the character looks like they are made of pink lava), but then again, a little bit of smoke would have made that clear.

It may come across as 'pretentious' but if there's one thing Marvel/DC have the upper hand on against other publishers is that they can afford good artist so I expect their books to look good. Even if it's not a 'house' style there are still quality standard that it has to meet.

>>90189496

hes also helping in some capacity in the Department of Veterans.

and reportedly had Thanksgiving with Trump.

the only time hes been photographed in public in the past few years has been at Trump functions.

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>>90189539
El Paladin is the greatest super hero of all time. OF ALL TIME.

>>90188178
>Bi
She's not bi, she's a full on lesbian.

>>90189614
All I'm still hearing is the exec supports him, not the company. Marvel's entire writing staff blasts Trump at every opportunity granted

>>90189539
Cyber six and Diablo were pretty good

>>90182499
Flight isn't among MAC's powerset, is it? But it would have to be for her to just be levitating in midair to pose like that.

>>90189539
>not knowing Capitan Trueno

Get a load of this blanquito

>>90189683

If she has super strength then she can 'super jump' like Superboy. That's not higher than 2m judging by the girl there. But I don't know if she has it. All I know about her is that she can open portals to other dimensions.

>>90182515
Christ on the cross, Marvel needs to stop.

>>90189683
Yes she can fly, she has the standard flying brick powerset with the added ability to create star shaped portals.

>>90182485
the racism of low expectations has been destroying this company...and frankly it can't destroy it fast enough. I want the capeshit bubble to burst and go the fuck away.

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>>90189539

>tfw the best Mexican made superhero is Egyptian

Unless you cound El Santo of course.

>>90189890
why would you not? you're a lesbian vampire or mummy aren't you.

>>90189936

I meant more about comicbooks, neither started as comics but Kaliman's comics became even more popular than the radio show. El Santo shone more in the silver screen.

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How can you fit so much shit into five pages?

Why are so many motherfuckers acting like they're shocked or surprised that MAC is gay, brown and rude? That's been her character since Young Avengers.

>>90188775
>implying this isn't because the author is a Nuyorican, the Puerto Rican equivalent of a Chicano.

>>90182490
marlel have become a pro in the art of killing any interest in any book with the first page

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So who here is going to put this on their pull list?

Anyone?

Looks good OP, thanks.

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>>90182490

When this starts selling like shit, they will reveal "she" is actually a transexual and call Hitler everyone who doesn't buy the comic.

>>90190785
You burn in hell, shill

>>90190865
she's already a gay illegal with two gay parents, I think they can do that right off the bat

>>90182490
>Mile eating something so the audience knows he's black

>>90189539
Because your jew companies only hire white males to write minorities.

The real question is how will Spencer and Brevoort spin this bombing as DC's fault?

>>90182490
>>90182499
>>90182515
>>90182528
>>90182542
Good fucking god this is bad. The writing informing first time readers of how she great she is rather than show them why? And she has two moms? While she also happens to be a lesbian herself? How convinient!
I was mostly apathetic about the Marvel's progressive purge before, but this is ridiculous. Lazy shit like this isn't going to add any nuance or help kids feel better about themselves growing up- it's just more Tumblr circlejerking.

>>90190960
So America, Iceman, and Generation X are Marvel's lgbtq books for the next relaunch. Is Sina Grace gay? Because if he is then only gays and lesbians are writing those books.

>>90182485
2 maybe 3

>>90190960
>DC's "Green Lanterns" had a latin woman as a protagonist before "Ms. America", which deflated the demand for this sort of character.

>>90183528
Because the people who notice there's a dearth in female leads are, invariably, the kind of people who only care about that. So they jump in and write shit, little realizing their shit will be shit because they only really CARE about one small portion of a human being (as a character) that becomes even MORE inconsequential once you give them fucking super powers, and desperately swim after the big franchises like Superman of The Avengers and shitting up those themes because they rely on a shit ton of history and background to work.

We aren't going to get good, original minority leads until the minuscule amount of kids actually INSPIRED by this dreck grow up and consistently develop the talents to surpass it.

>>90183726

Oh fuck they hired some schmuck off AutoStraddle. Well shit, Marvel, at least you're reaching out to other writers.

>>90190093
Well, movies are where superheroes do their best work.

>>90189890
who is that and where can I read about him? does he have some kind of far-east Hypnotism power?

>>90189539
>Gabby Rivera
>Joe Rivera
>Paolo Rivera
>Jose Villarrubia
Didn't they already get Latinos to work on America's solo comic?
>>90188694
The real problem here is that they hired someone from the tumblr community who only cares about doing what they and other tumblrinas would want to see.
If a character is gay, they want that fact to play a huge role in that her identity. (I checked the tag on tumblr and it's all either people musing her non-straightness or bitching that news outlets call her "queer" instead of "lesbian".)
If a character is Latina, they want her to speak random Spanish and display generalized characteristics while simultaneously not being a stereotype. (lol just look at Lance from Voltron. Creators state he is Cuban and suddenly tumblr starts playing Gasolina and requesting he speak Spanish).

>>90182490
"I want the audience to like this character. Better tell them explicitly and on the first page how much they're supposed to like this character"

How does one manage to suck this hard at writing?

>>90182485
Shit, this forced ass try hard book looks to already be on pace to trigger /co/ more than Whor, Bennet's Angela, and Mockingbird combined.

Can't wait.

>>90182607
Wow. The jacket, belt, boots, triangular top. Everything.

>>90191789
Do you even enjoy good books anymore? Or is your only reason for coming to this board to see other people get upset with bad books?

>>90191724
Sjws are fascists and thought control police.

>>90182485
She looks like Ronnie from Riverdale series here

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>>90191849

This was bad even for Marlel, there I said it

This is fucking horrible

Do they think mexicans will buy this?
Because im mexican and i only feel cringe right now, also who the fuck colored this? Most of the guys at the webcomic thead can do a better job

>>90191724
>How does one manage to suck this hard at writing?

You attend Marvel writing camps

I'm an filthy casual who loves the fuck out of his 'murrica, and has no clue who this person is. I would expect at least one if not more to go "you mean captain america?" He's fucking great!

Or maybe "which one, the white one or the black one?"

Or "The black one is ok too!"

>>90182569
It looks like it's taken from cuban propaganda posters.

>>90182889
Isn't America's superpower literally punching through dimensitonal walls?

>>90184692
So, America is from the, how do you say, chunty ghetto trash part of the 'boriqua dimension?

>>90188734
And it was deviantart tier fancomic trash, too.

Thanks for reminding me that I should be even more upset that Ghost Rider was axed after only two issues (because the first four don't fucking count).

>>90186126
I'm amazed that significant numbers of people think of Frank miller as an insane racist bigot when he made that glorious shit.

WHich came first, that or Judge dredd's America?

>>90187958
>Miss America is the poochie of the marvel universe.

Wait, isn't that Carol?

>>90188033
Woah.... that's mindblowing.

>>90189638
Mexican, or wait, Puerto Rican Kamen rider?

>>90191080
She comes from a utopian dimension made up entirely of super lesbians, which was created by that faggot Wiccan.

No, I'm not joking or even exaggerating.

>>90191534
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimán

>>90192357
>America (Judge Dredd) - Oct 1990
>Give Me Liberty - 1990
Probably Washington, if only because America actually specifically says Oct while Give Me Liberty appears to have been released entirely within 1990. But close enough to probably not be a ripoff of one or the other.

And Frank Miller can still be an insane racist bigot without being racist against blacks (or Native Americans). Europeans like to get all haughty about racism in America and then get all angry when you question how Gypsies are viewed. Everyone thinks their prejudice is justified. Washington also apparently had a good editor. I wouldn't argue that "insane racist bigot" is probably not good enough of a term to describe Miller, though. People always tend to be a bit more complicated than that.

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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!

Somebody please help me comprehend this travesty.

>>90186238
It's likely a school uniform, anon.

>>90192357
>implying this wasn't ghostwritten by Gibbons

>>90182877

You're using it wrong. Not pretentious, just bad writing.

It sounds like old dudes trying to sound like kids.

>>90182528
Since when did America have enhanced senses? And why isn't BM out there with them? He's second strongest on the team, he'd be much more useful than MAC in a fight.

>>90192647
Tumbler the comic.

>>90188638
Being Spectrum is suffering

>>90182528
Did they just assume that thing's gender?

>>90192010
As a Mexican, do you yearn to see a team of Mexican superheroes being Mexican because they are Mexican? Do you cry that not every superhero resembles your physical traits? Or, like a reasonable person you sound like you are do you see a well done hero that happens to me Mexican/lantin.spanish and go "huh thats cool" and move on with the story and plot and things that matter?

>>90182485

I thought Marvel had decided to stop being faggots?

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>>90193239
>As a Mexican, do you yearn to see a team of Mexican superheroes being Mexican because they are Mexican?
Dígamelo usted.

>>90182490
>Fear not mi gente!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfEatCs_miU

>>90191085
>. Is Sina Grace gay?
He's pretty faggy according to the reviews on his autobiography. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25654749-self-obsessed

>>90191104
don't forget having a gay woman leading a batfamily title too

>>90191724
This has been Marvel approach to their non-white mail characters for the past five years or so and its gotten pretty obnoxious

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>>90192435
More like Puerto Rican Batman. He's got armor and grappling hook gauntlets, hates crime because dead family members and has his headquarters under his house.

His stories swing between golden age and silver age weirdness, even though he was created and published during the 90s. It was a sunday newspaper strip, so it's not particularly grossing or anything.

>>90192758
I sure would considering Gibbons' solo writing efforts haven't been that great compared to Miller's

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>>90193823
And here comes chilean Spawn

>>90193895
Nigger, do you even Green Lantern Corps: Recharge?

>>90192538
>>90192357
>WHich came first, that or Judge dredd's America?

First issue of Give Me Liberty is listed as "June 1990":

https://www.comics.org/issue/47999/

So yeah, that came out before the Judge Dredd America storyarc.

It's funny how people are being triggered only by things which have been previously established for months/years.

>>90187747
>SJW push book
No chance it's going to see less than 12, even if it takes a few relaunches.

>>90193944
I sure did and it's not comparable to Miller's writing.

>>90188178
>>90189654
Bisexuals don't exist

>>90193977
No, it's actually fun and not grimderp.

>>90189755
But look at her. She's not mid-jump. She's just suspended there.

>>90194042
>it's actually fun
>not grimderp

You really don't have anything to defend do you.

>>90194199
Do you? The year GLC Recharge was published Miller was getting bitchslapped by Will Eisner.

>>90187731
>>90187763
Honestly, a lesbian only universe is the last thing I would think a gay boy would make.

I would have thought he would have just made a planet full of unicorns. Planet Unicorn. Unicorn Planet.

>>90194276
Oh, and writing that crap All-Star Batman and Robin.

>>90193285
Bane?

>>90194346
Well Bane is a caribean and he looks like a luchador

>>90182485
Proabably 2, i hope it only lasts one though, its gonna be complete shit
>>90185918
No there isnt, I'm not entirely sure theyve ever interacted.

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>Dimension of only women
>utopia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

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>>90194691
>dailymail

>>90193268
They can't just go cold turkey, they need to detox off of it bit by bit.

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>>90193268
>implying they'll ever stop.

>>90182485

Why is on a comic titled America a black woman? Why not a white man/woman?

Seems kind of unrealistic.

>>90182515

I remember a time when 'queer' was a slur. What happened to that?

>>90182542

Also I would like to know how that 'moms' thing works in practice.

IIRC there literally are no men in the Utopian parallel. I don't know who thought that was a cute idea, but I wish them irritable bowels for the foreseeable future.

>>90194171

Uhhh do you realise this is a comicbook? of course she looks suspended in the air because in that moment that was in the air but falls back off panel. Is like taking a picture after jumping. You aren't floating, the picture just captured the moment your feet were not in the ground.
Granted, the pose is bad, but is clearly her jumping to prevent that rock from hitting the girl.
Jesus anon, why are you making me defend this comic?

>>90195730

Is still a slur, but gays took it back to mean gay but more broadly. Nigger is the same but more extreme of course.

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>>90195763
Comic books, anon.

>>90182699

What makes you think that?

Must have been a throwaway line like "Damn you for dying, mom".

>>90182710

You know... this whole "Blacks/gays/women can't be critized" thing is getting a little pathetic now.

>>90182889

She's not Mexican, she's from a completely different KIND of universe, and a major part of her powerset is getting through walls.

>>90188471
This is true
They are also the worst people to drink with because they either get really sad or start swinging at you for some reason

The problem is that this book is just a publicity stunt. Miss America is a supporting character, she can't carry a book by herself (which is why they keep bringing up "muh dead dyke moms" as if that's somehow deeper than it is). Marvel will keep it going until it's out of the news cycle.

>>90183190

And it's still one of the coolest names a criminal organization has ever had.

>>90183296

I want a page like this where literally everyone says something which seems kind of nice but it's kind of killing with faint praise.

...America is a Mary Sue, and those need to die.

>>90195628

America is her name. She is from a lesbian parallel dimension where, I believe, there are no nations. I don't know why she took the identity of a WW2 superhero called Miss America, but she did. But now because feminism they dropped the Miss and the tbook is called America.

>>90183363

By the pussy?

>>90183378

This is Bendis' world. We just live in it.

At least until someone takes the law into his own hands.

>>90184039

They are seen as propaganda RIGHT NOW!

>>90184088

Gay, brown young women being able to do anything?

You know, the one taboo that still hasn't come down in books like this is being ugly.

That's one of the things I liked about Ms.Marvel (There are more, but this is one): She wasn't necessarily all that good-looking. Just an ordinary girl who got superpowers. 'course, that changed quickly enough...

But America Chavez is super-cool, incredibly powerful and really pretty to boot. That irks me.

Fat? We got' em.
Gay? We got' em.
Non-white? We got so many.
Ugly? GTFO.

>>90184199

Especially since 'sister from another mister' is right next door. Still cheesy, but Miles is nerdy, not cool.

>>90184692

What does it mean?

>>90183528
>How can it possibly be so difficult to write a good book with a female lead?

It's not. It's just that most writers would rather use a female lead (or minority lead) for soap boxing (political or otherwise). And the soap boxing takes precedence over story.

>>90195763
>I don't know who thought that was a cute idea
Gillen. It's supposed to be a twist on Paradise Island.

>>90185812

Be fair: Korg of Kronan explained his people only have males, yet they reproduce. Same principle.


>>90186427

We haven't figured it out yet. I guess she's kind of hot, except she is inaccessable as shit. She makes no deeper connections with anybody and seems pretty much invulnerable, so how are you supposed to identify with that?

>>90187040

I remember Wildcat II... who used to follow up every spanish expression she used with the english translation.

>>90195763
Once there was this magical gay twink named Wiccan who wanted a sassy Latina dyke bestie, so he magicked up a parallel universe where everyone was a lesbian and from it came the sassiest of all Latinas, America Chavez. Since Wiccan, being an upper middle class white guy, knew as much about Hispanic and Latino people as the next upper middle class white guy she's a vague mix of various cultures, language, and nationalities. But she's sassy, fierce, and looks really nice short shorts and tight, high-wasted pants and isn't that what matters?

>>90188471

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVf_4Ns3qLU

>>90187130

...That's one way of looking at it.

It kind of does seem you don't think black or hispanic people should be superheroes, though.

>>90188734

Some of the artwork was pretty cute.

>>90189654

Bear in mind she's from a dimension where men don't exist. Once she has a taste of cock...

>>90196361
She had a taste of cock once, and she didn't like it. It was in Gillen's YA, she and ultimate Chad had a go at it and she did wanted none of it afterwards.

>>90192392

No, Carol has been around forever, she started out as a supporting character, and she basically worked her way up through some shit you wouldn't believe (Seriously, having her memories stolen by Rogue, getting date-raped by Marcus Immortus, tortured by the Brood, alcoholism, losing her powers...and that's just the main things). She EARNED her place.

America was just shoved into our collective faces and we were told she was cool.

She needs to suffer. Being a hero at Marvel comes at a price.

And I don't mean a cool price. This is not DC, where losing your mom and dad in return for near-godly level powers counts. This is Marvel, where every day is a fresh occasion for life to fuck you in the ass in new and interesting ways.

>>90196220

Gillen... such a strong start, but what a follow-up.

>>90196277

I thought he was still going to do that in the future when he's the Demiurge.

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>>90196586
>She EARNED her place

>>90182542

I forget, how do they make kids?

>>90196103

Pa' is shorthand/mispronunciation for 'para', a preposition for a lot of things, Also fuera is shorthand/mispronunciation of afuera (outside) you could translate it literally to

For (the) outside For the street
To (the) outside To the street

But given the 'context' that I found. It's either from an Enrique Iglesias Song or a Puerto Rican band song

(You and Me) let's go (to the) outside to the street
(You) go (to the) outside to the street

I added the verbs to make sense of it given the context, but since it is an order (let's go girl and get out of my hotel) they leave the verb out. Though you wouldn't do that normally unless the context is really really clear. Eg telling kids to get out of the house 'pa' fuera chamaco!' (go outside kid! without the go)

So yeah. Dumb title for the first arc. Yeah.

Fellas, fellas! I think we're all missing something here.

Does she have any good lewds or not?

>>90183321
>they showed you back in YA and Ultimates
Do I have to summon the will of Jim Shooter to smack the shit out of you?

>>90196277
So she's just a magic fag hag who checks a few affirmative action boxes?

>>90182490
>mi gente

Dropped hard

>>90196671

By going through so much shit. It's the price of admission. Thor was stripped of his memories and godly powers. Iron Man almost died and had to wear a life support system. Captain America lost decades of his life and all the people he knew. Peter Parker's entire schtick was the 'Parker Luck'. The X-Men were hated and feared by mankind. Doctor Strange lost the use of his hands and his career.

Being a Marvel Hero should not be fun. It should not be a walk in the park, unless that walk ends with you holding the dead bodies of your wife and children in your arms and a scream inside your mind that never stops, but can only be drowned out with gunfire and the dying shrieks of criminal scum.

>>90196737

Thank you, Latinanon.

>>90196959

That's like half of Marvel these days.

I have a dreadful looming feeling that we won't like the backlash when it comes.

>>90196277
I'm going to assume that that potential for her to be resentful of him for his stupidity and him having to realize and come to terms with it was not brought up in Young Avengers (assuming it happened like that).

>>90196586
Too bad that she didn't earn good writers.

>>90197238
Resentful, buddy she worships him as her god. There is only reverence when she speaks to him.

>>90197209
>It should not be a walk in the park, unless that walk ends with you holding the dead bodies of your wife and children in your arms and a scream inside your mind that never stops, but can only be drowned out with gunfire and the dying shrieks of criminal scum.
Cool pottery, bro.

>>90197347

He's the same age as me. I feel a connection.

>>90194305
>All Star Batman and Robin
>crap

I thought you said you liked "fun" books

>>90183321
>they showed you back in YA

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>>90197973
>All Star Batman and Robin
>fun
It was so bad that the creators themselves dropped it.

>>90198055
It's a bad thing, since YA was awful.

>>90198055
Fucking awful, just like the rest of that book.

>>90198322

The art was nice, the story was shit and "We're all so fucking gay, how cool is that" is pathetic.

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>>90182515
>>90182485

Did Wiccan use his fag witchcraft to make her as androgynous as possible? Because that is one strong, square jaw she's got.

>>90197209
PREACH!!!

>>90182490
>>90197188
You know, I generally don't mind when Latino characters are speaking in english and suddenly say something in spanish to remind the audience they are latinos. I've never felt offended by it. But there's something so off-putting about the sudden use of mi gente here. Like it's trying too hard. Maybe if it was just gente, and even that would make the intro feel less poignant.

>>90187958
You know what would be an interesting back story?

She comes from a dimension whose alt-history is the Spanish won the Spanish-American War, and dominated the new world from the early 1800s on. They conquered all of the English colonies, and Hispanics literally were the majority to begin with.

And as a side effect she is racist against white people.

Why are there so few non-American superheroes?

I understand the explanation for the dearth of Chinese superhumans is that the Chinese government actively suppresses them.

But come to think of it, why aren't there more Indian or other Asian super-people in general? Half of humanity lives in south-east Asia.
Or South-American? South America has more people than North America.

And Europe, too. Yet we rarely hear anything about heroes from these nations.

>>90198368
I'm not a fan of McKelvie's art at all. His paneling is good, I'll give him that, but there's something very flat and static about his art overall. Plus, the way he draws faces makes me want to punch them.

>>90199106
You mean latin america. There are more people in latin america. South America as of 2010 only had about 400 million people, 200 million of whom were in Brazil. North America had 560 million, 309 million of whom were in America proper.

>>90199080
None of that makes sense, do you mean the Mexican American war? And even in the Mexican-American war we never conquered all of mexico, just the empty parts because we didn't want too many mexicans or injuns.

>>90182490
What do they man by cure?

>>90199106
>Why are there so few non-American superheroes?

Because it's an american industry set in america.

Go ask where the brazilian movie stars are in hong kong.

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>>90199683

>>90193239
The problem is that the minorities that you have as superheroes are either extreme stereotypes or just white people with brown or black skin, if the writer doesn't know how a mexican or an arab acts in a white environment, why make them minorities in the first place?

>>90182607
Quinones is a big 90s Superboy fan.

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>>90182485
https://youtu.be/-vkipefXmR4
>Comments are full of complaints about SJW pandering.

>>90203328
She's like a more masculine Gabriel Iglesias.