Who is the worst Disney villain, /co/?

that guy

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>>90162690

Hans.

>>90162690
Ratcliffe
Alameda Slim
Hans

>>90162690
I thought he worked as a villain through being a fuckin manchild with power who uses that to screw over everyone else, and just keeps retaliating throughout the movie to everyone who calls him out on being a fuckin manchild. Like, yeah, he's pathetic, but would you want to be in a position where he has authority over you? I actually saw this movie kind of recently and was expecting him to be the worst part of it based on what I remembered as a kid, but they pull it off pretty well.

Probably the worst villain is Aristocats guy, who's also pathetic but has no power or interesting traits or anything. FUCKING CATS, etc.

>>90162690
Prince John and by extension the Sheriff were incompetent, but that was done for the benefit of Robin Hood being a wily hero who's able to outsmart them at most turns. At least his voice actor was a marvelous ham.

>>90162773
Gonna second Rattcliffe here, but Pocahontas wasn't exactly Disney's a-game material.

I wasn't a fan of Cinderella's stepmother, either. She wasn't the absolute *worst* but she came off as rather rigid of a villain without much charm. Other than being an authoritarian blocking the heroine from doing anything, the only time she really lit up the screen in an interesting way was when she goaded her own daughters into destroying CInderella's original gown and was amused by it. Otherwise, she's stiff as a board.

the fat rat guy

>>90163252
>It boggles the mind really.
what does?

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>>90162720

I forget, what movie is Hans from?

>>90163490
They really like cartoons.

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>>90163580

the most overrated disney movie of all times.

Frollo, because he can actually exist and he thinks he's doing the right thing.

>>90162690
Whoever the bad guy from Dumbo was.

>>90162827
Prince John also had a really hammy voice and did a great look-how-sophisticated-I-am-right-up-until-I-throw-a-baby-tantrum bit going on, needlessly rolls rs and shit. He was entertaining to watch even in his incompetence, kinda like Captain Hook.

I'm gonna second Edgar the butler from Aristocats as the worst. He was not only massively incompetent compared to every other villain, and bungled the easiest job with some of the lowest stakes, but he wasn't even that fun to watch while doing it. He wasn't charming or funny or threatening. He was mostly just cringey and mean and the best things that happened with him were some weak slapstick humor you could throw at anybody.

>>90162690
Does anybody feel a bit sorry for him? He felt that his mother loved his brother better than him and when tried to prove he could rule as king he failed utterly.

>>90162690
Definitely the guy from Big Hero 6

>>90164006
Shit, I forgot he counts now too.

>>90163961
I feel more sorry for the real Prince John whose memory lives on through shitting on him with Robin Hood stories.

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pic related didn't even want to be a villain at first
you didn't say in what sense OP

>>90164139
Same with Richard the Third

>>90164139
>depict him as a literal furry in your cartoon movie
>every discussion about that movie turns to furry porn

>>90164208
>pancakes.jpg

>>90163740
The Circus I guess? I don't remember there being a single bad guy. Just general mistreatment.

>>90163961
>>90164139
The real Prince John was raised in England with his father. His brother, Richard, was raised in France by their mother, Eleanor.
Eleanor and Richard actually rebelled against the King in an attempt to take over England's holdings in France.

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capt hook is the worst villain because he can't even defeat peter pan.

>>90162937
I think Lady Tremaine is a great villain for that reason. She's evil, but in a petty, realistic way. You could actually know or be related to someone like that.

>>90162690
Whatever the bitch from Rescuers was called.

>>90164192
To be fair Richard ruined his country by being an idiot with lofty ideas about retaking Jerusalem and being a chivalrous knight, while John was around collecting taxes.

>>90164889
I saw on a documentary that they dug up his bones and he really did have a crooked back like in Shakespear's plays.

>>90164867
Medusa? I thought she was memorable enough. I vaguely recall her being a poor man's Cruella with a pet crocodile, but her outbursts were the only thing I even remember at all from the first Rescuers movie. For that matter, McLeach is the only thing I clearly remember from the second Rescuers movie. Maybe the Rescuers just sucked.

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>>90164950
and thi is the reason why Disney company never made any more sequels.

until now.

>>90162937
Did Lady Tremaine have anything to put her over the stepmother from Cinderella? I feel like they were practically the same character. One had two asshole daughters and the other had two asshole Siamese cats.

>>90163740
>>90164439
You could argue that the ringmaster, clowns, and that one ginger kid circus goer caused Dumbo a lot of trouble. But most of the abuse came from the catty, gossipping, bitchy fat cows that made up the rest of his elephant troupe outside his mom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CzRgEAZkN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb12D1lWB30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6r4cLp4HS0

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>>90165029
Lady Tremaine is the stepmother from Cinderella. The old woman with the Siamese cats from Lady and the Tramp was Aunt Sarah.

But I really think they were very different characters. Tremaine was an all out sadist, but Sarah struck me as more just cruelly ignorant. The nightmare house sitter that kills your pet while you're away and then when you get back shrugs their shoulders and says they were little shits anyway and expects you to get over it. At least Sarah cared about the well being of the baby and honestly believed Lady was dangerous. That's different to me from the stepmother's mommy dearest actual child abuse routine.

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>>90163207
Take that back. Vincent's performance alone made Ratigan one of the better underappreciated villains.

>>90163207
You're entitled to your opinion, even when it's completely wrong.

>>90167959
one of the few Disney movies that I couldn't finish watching. it was just too bad.

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>>90168743
Wow, if you couldn't finish that, I'd hate to see how you'd fare with The Black Cauldron, Make Mine Music, Melody Time, Chicken Little, Bolt, Home on the Range, Dinosaur, the first half of Fun and Fancy Free, Song of the South, Pete's Dragon, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Saludos los Amigos, and The Three Caballeros.

I mean, the majority of Disney is very good, but if you list out all the mediocre ones like that and compare it to the output of other studios before the boom of CGI films after the 2000s, they amount to more than just a few.

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>>90162690
I'm gonna say thanos

>>90168973

Not that anon but I liked Bolt

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>>90169365
I like a lot of that list actually, I just wouldn't expect somebody that refused to finish The Great Mouse Detective to handle them. Not really so much Bolt, though, but I can respect your opinion there

>>90164978
>all those trademarks they didn't want to pay for

>>90168973
Snow White looks evil on that poster. I think it's the way her face seems to be shaded. It's like, "Fufufu, I've driven the queen to madness with my beauty."

Of those listed I vaguely remember being bored by Bedknobs and Pete's Dragon.

>>90162827
>would you want to be in a position where he has authority over you?

Anon, we're living in that reality.

>>90169779
Does that mean we have to replace Robin Hood with Speedy Gonzales?

>>90169444

That would make sense

Thank you, and likewise.

>>90163625
>most overrated disney movie of all times

That isn't a picture of the lion king.

>>90171990
shut the fuck up

>incompetent or unthreatening villains are bad characters
I hate this meme.

>>90168973
Do not put The Three Caballeros on the same level as Chicken Little or Dinosaur.

>>90168973
I fucking love Bedknobs and Broomsticks

>>90172268
>PORTOBELLO ROAD

Worst as in he's the least forgivable because he's so heinous or "Worst" as in his motivations are completely understandable and reasonable?

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>>90172181
I'm really sorry, anon, but while the individual sequences are fine, and the three birds are great, the movie as a whole is a boring clusterfuck.

I wanted to love it, but I tried showing to a group of friends recently, and I just wound up guilty for ruining a perfectly good movie night and humiliated. You need alcohol or drugs to enjoy it.

>>90163207
I knew someone would throw in Ratigan, and I'm just as disgusted as I thought I'd be.

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>>90168743
Then the issue is you, not the movie, you pleb.

>>90162773
>Alameda Slim

having a GOAT villain song saves him from being the worst

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Not Prince John. Peter Ustinov's voice performance alone makes him a great character
>>90162993
>tfw I looked up that pick

>>90172175
They are as long as they are also boring. Being competent or threatening can be traits that help them be interesting and can make up for other flaws. But if they're not even going to provide a decent foil or problem for the protagonist to deal with, and don't have other redeeming qualities to make up for it like being entertaining, they're shit.

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>>90163580
Lion King?

Ratcliffe
Alameda Slim
Hans
Mother Gothel
Edgar
Bellweather
Yokai
Chef Skinner
Chick Hicks
Whoever was the bad guy in Chicken Little

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>>90177199
>Bellwether
>villain
Pick one.

>>90164665
Yeah. It's not that he was taxing the shit out of all the poor people until they were forced to live in the woods and eat tree bark for breakfast, or going around killing dissenters while swimming in a pile of gold; the real Prince John was was just *bad* at the whole King job. Poor decision making kills and getting bullied into unfavorable deals by the nobles, shit like that.

>>90164813
>posting babby hook

>>90172268
>>90172309

I really like Bedknobs and Broomsticks. Trying to summarize it to someone who never watched it is funny as hell.

"A witch in training takes orphans with her on a journey to discover the secret to a spell that will help her defeat the Nazis"

>>90178205
It really was a lovely movie.

>>90164867
This

Bill Cipher if show villains count.
I still don't get what his appeal is supposed to be. He seems like he's a comedic villain but he's not funny. He seems to be an eldritch horror except he's not scary even by kids cartoon standards, like Him was for instance. He never feels like final boss material despite his powers.
He's not an interesting character at all.

All of which could've been forgiven if his voice wasn't also so shit.

>>90162827
Another vote for Edgar. Completely incompetent, unthreatening and dull.

>>90168973
>Home on the Range
>Chicken Little
>Meet the Robinsons
>Bolt

It's like Disney just decided to stop being Disney for five years. I don't have anything against those movies (have only seen MtR and Bolt, and they're ... fine), but they're so un-disney like? What happened after 2000??

>>90168973
>1950s
>1960s
>1990s
>2010s
>1980s
>1970s
>2000s
>1940s

In that order. I dare you to disagree with me.

>>90180016
>Sid
>Prospector
>mediocr

>Lotso
>Great

Toy Story alone invalidates the list.

>>90180272
Chicken Little is the worst animated film to ever come out of Disney. The single worst piece of animation produced by Disney across all formats, however, is still Teamo Supremo.

>>90165029

I hate those fucking cats. I guess they are closer to minions though.

>>90180412
Genuine question here -- how are the Planes movies? I'm one of the few people here who likes the Cars franchise and have always been curious since they're in the same world. I'll probably never watch them, but I've always wanted to know.

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>>90180312
Okay. I disagree with you. The first couple years of the 40s were great.

>>90180016
You left out Waternoose. He was the main villain of monster Inc. Randall was just a henchman.

>>90178085
After seeing Junior HookI I feel disgusted to Original Hook
Also, JatNP is the comfiest show I ever seen, Both THIS and StF are better Than SvtFoE(Personal opinion)
Also Fapping to Marina was the origin of my Mermaid fetish

>>90165029
>>90165417
I'd also have to say that the two were different in how they treated their beloved subordinates.

Lady Tremaine knew she'd been stuck with a couple of incompetents and that she needed to cultivate two losers into ladies of society, even if she thought menial work and poor trappings were beneath their stations and so spoiled them. She's seen consistently snapping at her daughters and trying to put them in line, even if she's easier on them then on Cinderella.

Aunt Sarah on the other hand thinks Si and Am are perfect little angel babies that can do no wrong. She walks into a room that's been torn to shreds and assumes Lady wrecked the place because she thinks her cats are well behaved. If Lady Tremaine walked into a trashed room with Anastasia and Drizella pointing fingers at Cinderella, she'd be sharp enough to know exactly what went down but would punish Cindy anyway as the whipping boy of the family. But she'd probably still shoot a warning to her girls not to let themselves get caught doing that shit lest they tarnish the family reputation, and to frame Cinderella better next time.

>>90180016
Well God Tier's spot on I'll give you that.

The fuck is Li Shang even doing near that high? What did he even do in that movie besides burn down some houses and kinda look cool.

I'd put Sheer Khan and Gaston a bit higher but that's pretty accurate.

....Really? Kah and Hades? AND Hook? Mediocre?

Shit Tier, once more, spot on.

Some disagreements but that's at least 80% solid.

>>90180500
To be honest, I completely forgot those existed. Haven't seen those either.

Gonna throw my vote at Edgar too.
Slim at least had a song. Edgar was just dull.

>>90162703
Come on he was hilarious.

>>90164006
>"You killed my brother!"
>"Hold on a second, maybe I have a few fucks in my pocket... Nope, sorry. Fresh out."

How was the idea of killing him bad?! Instead they even rewarded the guy by rescuing his sister/daughter/whatever. So he's free to reunite with her and the protagonist can eat a bowl of dicks.

>>90162720
> t. Drab little crab

>>90180016

You do remember that Bowler Hat Guy was just the flunky to the hat right? Who actually fucking succeded in ruining the future and only lost because Lewis managed to travel back in time?

And
>John Silver
>The clown from Inside Out
>Villains

And fuck you. Hades should be in God or at least great Tier (Kek)

>>90169779

>ass ripped libtard can't stop shitposting

>>90164139
>When Richard was raising funds for his crusade, he was said to declare, "I would have sold London if I could find a buyer."

>>90162690

Yet despite being a pussy, was still an amoral dictator who pretty much held an entire town, including the narrator, hostage just to lure out Robin.

Way more terrifying then the butler from the Aristocats or that shit Hans.

>>90162690
Hans is definitely the worst, incredibly sloppy twist, only happened because they chickened out on making Elsa the villain.

>>90185832

Not to mention he was shown to actually care about the kingdom, making him much better intentioned then Elsa who's temper tantrum nearly caused thousands of people to freeze to death.

>>90180016
>including the villan from the TV show inside of Bolt
Why?
shit list anyway

>>90162690
Ooh! Ooh! I know! I know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNRpcT78c08

>>90186303
What is this from?

>>90162827
>Probably the worst villain is Aristocats guy, who's also pathetic but has no power or interesting traits or anything. FUCKING CATS, etc.
yes, wanted to point him out

>>90172422
this movie is too deep to watch it with your casual friends

>>90162690
The guy that shot Bambi's mom is literally the worst.

>>90162690
I always felt legit sorry for Prince john.

I mean, he was a bit of a despot, and he needed to be removed from power, but look at him! He's a child.

>>90169779
To be fair, the other option was consciously evil instead of just being incompetent.

>>90186696
I wonder if that deleted scene from the climax would've changed it a little

>>90186524
I don't watch Disney looking for abstraction and depth

>>90172309
Literally the only thing I remember about that movie

>>90180344
Prospector scared the shit out of me, like to an unreasonable degree given what he was

>>90165310
poor dumbo

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>>90162690
One of the, if not the most forgettable Disney villain ever.

It has a good design, but his personality is as plain as how uninteresting he makes his objectives seem to the viewer.

So forgettable no one in this thread even remembers him but me.

>>90186303
>>90186367
Looks like it's that (loose) adaptation of Nat Hawthorne's Feathertop story I've heard about. Not sure if it shares the same name or if it's called something different.

And I'm guessing from the looks of it that its from the same people that made the Swan Princess movies and/or that one animated The King and I movie. Looks Disney sequel tier, I'll have to check it out and see if I get a laugh.

>>90177199
Gothel was pretty funny though. Agreed on the rest.

>>90191605
Nathaniel Hawthorne's Feathertop? Really?! I knew that it got a stage adaptation in the 40s, but a recent animated movie?

I'm a huge fan of Hawthorne myself

>>90191682
Well it's apparently got a guy who was a scarecrow who turns into a guy and probably back and forth into a scarecrow, who also has a feather sticking out of his hat, and the era seems to be vaguely placed in 18th or 19th century, soo yeah it really looks like they're drawing from Feathertop. I haven't seen it yet myself but was warned not to get my hopes up for it being very faithful or good.

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>>90192199
I've found it; it's called The Scarecrow

Doesn't look too promising

>>90177199

Yokai was pretty decent though. He genuinely seemed menacing and didn't really give a shit that the people trying to stop him were a bunch of little kids; which was in-keeping with his character. What didn't make sense though was why he had a Japanese demon mask as a disguise.

>Skinner

Yeah, I can see that, but his plan made some kind of sense. Also he was realistic.

>Chick Hicks

Classic douchebag, no problem here.

Everyone else though I completely agree with you on. Ratcliffe and Hans in particular in abominations.

>>90162720
Not the worst, but he's way overhyped.

>>90177199
As I recall, there was no bad guy in Chicken Little, other than the Fox being a bitch. The entire conflict was based purely on misunderstanding between the aliens and the animals.

Rasputin. Why didn't he just use a killing spell on the Romanovs? Instead he used a convoluted plan to use the Communists as pawns.

>>90186303
>>90192592
These aren't Disney.

>>90192592
Anastasia isn't Disney you literal retard.

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>>90191590
I remember Shan-Yu, but it's true he only had one good scene. But to be fair, that scene was really good. That's more than I can say for a lot of the other villains in this thread.

>>90191590
I suppose he has his own charm in how he has no flamboyance. Just a ruthless, stone cold killer.

>>90192792
You can make a ruthless, stone cold killer into an interesting antagonist. Mulan just didn't do it right.

>>90164978
>lubhub
Wew

>>90192592
maybe he's like Genie and can't kill when he's a ghost or whatever

>>90192895
Mulan felt like one of those movies where the antagonist wasn't up front and center and being focused on. Shan-Yu felt like a much more minor part of the movie as, say, Frollo or Gaston.

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Everything else is obviously wrong.

>>90195541
That depends on what we mean by 'worst'

>>90195838
He gave up his completely assured victory just because he had to gloat to someone who was about to die.

>>90186303
This is rotoscoped right? It looks uncanny as fuck

>>90195894
Okay, that works. Although I think his loss isn't nearly as embarrassing as Jafar going full retard. Or Ursula, looking back on it. She basically killed herself.

>>90162690
Scar, the hyenas were better villains in the long run

So who actually did the most evil shit? Who was the most complex/layered ?

>>90196772
I think it was more along the lines of "Who is the least entertaining, most forgettable, most ineffective in their role as the antagonist, total shit noncharacter?"

As opposed to who was the meanest and did the baddest things type of worst.

>>90196872

I get the jist of that, I just wanna know what everyone thinks was actually the most effective - perhaps most sadistic of them all? I really like psychologically fucking with protagonist villians like Gothel or Frollo - but those who are intimadating and cause actual destruction are cool too.

Some are pretty minor - as seen "guy wants to kill cats" to "war lord leading a vicious army."

>>90195465

At the very least he was treated more as a "Boogeyman" we barely know about, making him somewhat creepier.

The villains from Pinocchio become much more disturbing when you have a small son

>>90162773
For a second, I thought you said Rattigan.
I had smelled a dirty rat for a second there.

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>>90196955
If I were going to name the villain that actually made me angry, that would be Judge Claude Frollo. Watching him grind Quasi's self worth into a fine powder, someone who loved and trusted him. Listening to this poor defenseless kid repeat "I am ugly, I am a monster" as if it were his only truth in the world. When I was a child it was one of the only times a fictional character made me really mad.

That's coming from someone who oft times rooted for the bad guy, especially in Disney films, where they are usually the most entertaining characters.

In terms of effectiveness though I'm not sure. Scar's plan got pretty far along before things fell apart for him AND he played the psychological attack card. Out of everyone I'm familiar with I think Scar caused the most damage. He outright murdered a lovable character on screen. Who else did that?

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>>90197279
Stromboli and the Coachman? Real effective way of telling kids that going with strangers is a really fucking bad idea. And also to fear the furry.

You know what I find amusing about Pinocchio in this regard? For what he did, the Coachmen is probably one of the most heinous villains in Disney film, but he never got any sort of comeuppance. For all we know he just kept luring young children to Pleasure Island and transforming them into pack mules forever.

>>90198788
Just like in real life.

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>>90163124

>>90164948
>>90164192
>>90164889
Think some of you are getting your Richards mixed up. Richard I aka the Lionheart fought the third crusade while John stayed in England. Richard iii is the hunchback of Shakespeare fame.

>>90197213
Does this technically count?

I mean KH IS Disney so......

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>>90180016
>Mediocre
>Sid
he's my favorite, I love him so much
He's so quotable

>>90198630
>He outright murdered a lovable character on screen. Who else did that?
I never thought about that, but it carries more weight when you consider that Disney doesn't even like having the fucking hero kill the villain.

>>90198630

Well Hades unleashed the Titans - almost destroying Mount Olympus and certainly causing quite a bit of havoc for ordinary greeks. Then there was the whole Hercules must swim in the river of styx to save Megara - which is still one of the cooler finales to a Disney film IMO.

Rattcliff almost succeeded in starting a race-war but he's basically the same as Bellweather in that sense- although she was more calculating.

The Evil Queen in Snow White kind of was a cannibal- wasn't she? Though in the end, her shenanigans like many of Disney villians mostly effect the protagonist(s).

Malificent took over an entire kingdom via sleep-spell, turning into a dragon and such - but her motives were so lame - even if the design was cool.

Even tho I never saw The Black Cauldron the villian is basically a Lich - which is pretty badass.

>>90198630
>He outright murdered a lovable character on screen. Who else did that?

Dr Facilier.

>>90200350
He said lovable.

>>90179304
Humor is subjective ect ect.
I liked his imagery.

>>90200393
>DUN'T MAIK MEH LIGHT MAH BUTT!

>>90162690
But you are wrong.

>>90192557
The bad guy was the dad.

>>90197213
>>90164152
>>90179304

If we are throwing the normal Disney movies out the window, that bitch from High School Musical was pretty cancer.

>>90171990
Frozon took it's crown, but they are similar in that they were mediocre movies that a generation will constantly claim is the best Disney movie ever. Kinda like Lilo and Stitch, cept it didn't have the financial success.

>>90186498

That was the movie where the cats get the inheritance or something right?

>>90204222
>Kinda like Lilo and Stitch, cept it didn't have the financial success.

You didn't like Lilo and Stich? Totally understand. Honestly I never saw the appeal of that movie. I hated the character designs for one thing (not as ugly as Atlantis's art style mind you), the literal jarring mix of social family melodrama mixed with wacky aliens just didn't do a good job at meshing together. And I thought Lilo was a cunt because I felt bad her sister had to look after such a literal brat. Not saying Lilo didn't have any legit gripes because the girls in her peer group was indeed cunts, but Nani wasn't like that. She was a stressed young woman who had to become an adult for her bratty sibling out of the blue because if she didn't Lilo would get taken by the government. And anyone else find Mr Bubbles obnoxious? I just thought he was an exaggerated try hard macho tough man who bullying someone who honestly didn't deserve his harassment. Talk about reason to despise Social Workers.

>>90169444
that is one slutty looking ass

>>90204333
You know full well what you seek to bring into this thread, and your successive trips will not save us if they take that bait.

>>90204222
Lion King may be overrated, but it was still a good movie. Calling it mediocre is just reactionary nonsense.

>>90180016
Andreas Deja has two God tier. Not bad

>>90204890
It was overrated. It was a lesser movie than BatB and Aladdin.

>>90204997
Wait my mistake, I replied too fast, they didn't hack ther US ballots, they (allegedly) hacked the Democrat party.

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>>90164813
>those designs/art style

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>>90164950
>vaguely recall her being a poor man's Cruella with a pet crocodile,

Maybe because she was supposed to BE Cruella

>>90162690
Lung Cancer

>>90185629
>>90185832
>>90192425

Well Hans was a shitty villain due to shitty writing, but fortunately his shitty writing can be doctored into making him into a compelling hero goat-tier redemption story.

>>90205148
Seriously? Do you mean it was supposed to be the same character in both movies or that one character was completely based on the other?

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>>90205265

>>90205310
I really have a soft spot for that "jet ski". I really liked the setting in Rescuers in general.

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>>90205345
Honestly don't know what to make of the movie, didn't as a kid either. It feels like it wants to be dark and gloomy, but also cute with the animals and the villains aren't very threatening at all despite holding a little girl captive.... it's just dull and underwhelming.

Much prefer the sequel.

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>>90205440

>>90205148
>>90205265
>>90205310
Yes, originally Cruella was going to return as the villain in The Rescuers, making it a sequel to 101 Dalmations. She became Medusa when the studio decided that making a sequel would be a bad idea. Ironically, the Rescuers Down Under was made later.

Whats even stranger is that after the Rescuers Penny was supposed to be adopted and move to NY with her new family, where she would find a Stray Kitten. That idea was scrapped and Penny became Jenny from Oliver and Company.

So had all this gone down as planned, 101 Dalmations, The Rescuers, and Oliver and Company would take place in a shared Disney Cinematic Universe

>>90205440
Yeah McLeach was actually kind of unnerving. Medusa not so much that I recall. But I haven't seen either movie in a long time, so my assessment isn't based on much beyond gut feeling.

>>90205440
This would actually be a pretty good live action remake

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>>90162720
You can't be a shitty villain if you were never a villain

>>90205440
I used to love it as a kid. rewatched it recently and it's still fine.
>It feels like it wants to be dark and gloomy, but also cute with the animals
I'm not really seeing the issue here, it can be both.
>the villains aren't very threatening at all
Again not seeing the issue. They're entertaining and hateable.

>>90205310
>>90205474
Huh, that's actually really neat. Thank you, kind anons. It's a shame they didn't go with that sort of loose continuity, it strikes me as being pretty cool.

I'm echoing that fucking butler from Aristocats.

Nigga cats don't even live that long. And they don't have power of attorney. You would have basically been in control of that money anyway.

>>90195894
he also ruled for however long it takes for a cub to fully grow

>>90205652
3 years

>>90205575
When you think about it this way, damn, that really was a fucking dumb shit plot.

>>90205703
not as dumb as having anthro robin hood for no apparent reason. If every character in that movie was a human, it would be the exact movie. At least Zootopia had a reason to make their characters animals and acknowledged it

>>90205667
yeah that's a good amount of time to have power over the pridelands.

>>90205526
But my point is that it fails at both.
It's not dark or funny. It's boring.
Sequel handled the tone much better.

>>90205701
>Hyperbole is dumb when talking about serious stuff like this.

>Serious

You are on 4chan you sperg. Hyperbole is only considered "dumb" to illiterates like you who cannot comprehend it.

>>90180016
Who is the guy next to Cruella DeVill on the right, I can't remember which movie he is from

>>90205784
>say retarded shit
>that's retarded
>it was only hyperbole
>that's still retarded
>no u
Okay buddy.

>>90205759

They acknowledged it - the freaking rooster bard says this is the animal kingdom's version of the story.

I mean it's not much, but at least it's something.

>>90192425
>What didn't make sense though was why he had a Japanese demon mask as a disguise.

"Yōkai (妖怪?, ghost, phantom, strange apparition) are a class of supernatural monsters, spirits and demons in Japanese folklore."
Makes sense to me

>>90205884
That's the loan shark from Oliver and Company.

>>90206026
The real villain in Oliver and Company was Ed Koch

>>90180312
>>90168973
All of Disney's pre-WWII films were his great works. especially Fantasia

>>90168743
Wow you must be a complete pleb or have some hardcore ADD.

Perhaps both.

>>90205759
If every character in that movie was a human, it wouldn't be half as sexy.

They made the right call.

>>90205759
The reason for making them animals was it was cheaper. That's it.

>>90164139
To be fair, John was historically an incompetent ruler compared to both his older brother and father.

>>90180016

What's the criteria for a 'good' villain here?
The God Tier ones I can understand, since they're well developed characters, but in the Great Tier Shan Yu, Hopper and Boogie Man are basically just evil, compared to Lotso who did have a motivation.

Shan Yu, Hopper, etc. did all have a good screen presence and worked well, but if that's your deciding factor why is Hades so low?

What makes Shere Khan better than Hades? What makes Hopper better than Hades?

Hades being in Mediocre is the most objectionable part here, he was great.

>>90205759
I think it worked. It had a lot of unique character designs and was cute for the kiddos. This was back before the furry subculture was quite so infamous and well known as they are now. Back when you saw a cartoon animal person and just thought "Kids cartoon" and your mind didn't immediately leap to "SEXUAL DEVIANCY"

>>90206957
Not that they didn't exist back then, before someone starts, but it's definitely seen differently by the average person now than it was then. It's not nearly so fringe and contained.

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Avenges his daughter who willing went into an inter dimensional portal which was retarded that they'd even need human test subjects, steals Hiros nanobots and murders tadashi in the process when he could've gotte them at literally any point in time he was accepted into your school just fucking ask him how to make more bots turns out she was alive the whole time somehow

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>>90205472
>there's more than a couple Joana 34 pics
>they're well drawn

>>90207246
Fuuuark, thanks for reminding me. I had so much hype for this guy, and they fucking blew it.

>>90206849
Hades was a shitty used car salesman

>>90198788
Wouldn't parents have gotten suspicious when all their kids went to Pleasure Island and didn't come back? Pinocchio probably would've told Geppetto what happened, and he would go to the cops.

>>90207295
It's really stupid because his plane has more holes that a cheesgrader in hindsight, he could've taken his time tricked hero into giving a seminar or some shit to explain the nanobots mass produce them in your lab say and pass it off like your gonna mass produce it for charity then in secret rebuild the portal on the sealed of base so no one would fucking know and kidnap that rich guy instead of putting hundreds of people at risk by opening a inter dimensional portal above a city

>>90207437
Sad, but true in my case.

>>90205462
>Trying to argue with assmad Bernouts
Don't even bother. They're going to go through the next 4-8 years kicking and screaming like children just like Republicans did with Obama. The best thing to do is just ignore them.

>>90207549
The kids were runaways like Pinocchio. If their parents had any say they wouldn't be at Pleasure Island. And frankly, if the dude can transform kids into mules to sell, he may be powerful and rich enough that the local townsfolk might not be able to do shit. That or he probably moves around a lot.

The point is, the movie never goes into his fate, and even in the original story I think he just keeps doing whatever the fuck, unopposed. Biting kids ears off and making bank.

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>>90163207
The end scene where he goes full rat disqualifies him from being worst villain.

>>90207486
Or you're just a faggot with shit tastes

>>90205440
Rescuers Down Under ended without them going back for the caged animals. I could never figure out whether that was intentional or if the writers just forgot them.

>>90162690
His cowardly, childish, nature combined with his position of authority also lends itself to some true villainy when he's humiliated.

The scene where he's sitting alone in his counting house, surrounded by gold from the all the villagers now in prison for being unable to pay any more taxes, still steaming that he hasn't caught Robin Hood and his cruel solution to draw him out; hanging Friar Tuck.

Prince John is a perfect comic villain. Pathetic and funny but still a villain. Peter Ustinovs over the top performance is perfect. Every delivery is memorable.

>>90178020

Well the English got the Magna Carta out of it all. Really, every great advance in the rule of law in English history seems to stem from a bafflingly incompetent king. Looking hard in your direction, Charles I, George III.

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>>90207486
No, not really.
You had moments like this.

I really wish there was a scene where he went full HAM on Hercules

>>90208342
James Woods riffing was the best part of Hercules but I still don't think Hades is a great villain.

He's pretty incompetent and sits on the throne of Olypmus for all of 5 seconds before a musclebound demigod and his flying horse kick his ass.

>>90162937
I wouldn't call her the worst just because she was animated and performed so well.

She didn't have much motivation beyond cruelty and ruining the one person who's life she had control over. The bitch sisters tearing her gown made me fucking mad as a wee lad.

Not the best but not the worst either.

>>90164813
A boy who can fly would be pretty hard to kill if the most advanced weapon you have is ship cannons

>>90162690
The guy from the second Hunchback movie

>>90165310
This was not my favourite movie as a kid. Everything made it seem like Dumbo was in hell, which I guess is what a circus would seem like to a baby elephant.

>The shitty kid who teases Dumbo's mom and gets her taken away
>The bitch elephants who are too good for Dumbo
>the creepy clowns
>pink elephants

>>90169663
Some of those live action/animation combo Disney movies are a real slog. Petes Dragon feels endless.

>>90180272
Everyone was sick of the standard Disney musical animated film, plus Toy Story just rewrote all the rules and Disney wasn't sure about their identity in the 21st century.

Eventually they rediscovered that it was doing animated musicals but with computers.

>>90180842
>After seeing bland motion-tweened Toonboom Hook I feel disgusted by flawless hand drawn animation by legend Frank Thomas
>KILL YOURSELF OR WALK THE PLANK
>THE CHOICE IS UP TO YOU
>YO-HO YO-HO YO-HO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7IqNgufk0

>>90180500
I oddly heard that one or maybe both of them aren't bad.

Haven't been tempted to find out though.

>>90204373
Yes. All he had to do to inherit this rich womans fortune is drown one cat and her kittens and then wait for the old woman to die.

Nobody would have known or suspected anything yet he slapsticked himself into getting caught.

>>90205345
It has a weird quiet charm to it. The opening and closing song 'Rescue Me' is very tranquil. The love song from Robin Hood had the same vibe. '70s Disney isn't always the best but it's comfy.

Penny being told nobody would adopt an ugly girl like her made me cry as a babby

>>90205498
Medusa was Milt Kahls final character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKozh3UgpVQ

>>90206026
I've never seen Oliver and Company. Was the villain really a loan shark?

>>90206957
I'm fairly certain that Robin Hood was more or less what started the furry movement.

It was the first big animated film to not star simple talking animals but anthropomorphized animals with no humans whatsoever.

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>>90207775
It's a cautionary morality tale for kids. He's just a representation of the bad people who exist in the world.

>Don't run away or a bad man may take you away and ... uh, turn you into a donkey

Probably more effective than telling them about child molesters. Kids don't understand molestation or the long term psychological effects. Now turning into a donkey? Kids understand that is scar shit.

>>90180672
>bambi
>a great love story
First of all, fucking what
Second, I HATE Bambi. It's the most god damn pointless movie.

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>>90211247
Yeah, he spent the movie threatening a hobo who owed money to him.

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>>90211247
He had scary doggos

>>90163865
>Prince John also had a really hammy voice
That's because he was voiced by Sir Peter Ustinov
>>90164139
People are usually surprised when I point out that Robin Hood is the main reason everyone hates King John, even when it's the most obvious thing.
>>90164813
Hook looks so much like Doofenshmirtz
>>90164950
>McLeach is the only thing I clearly remember from the second Rescuers movie
That's because he was voiced by George C. Scott
>>90172309
In the director's cut, that sequence was even longer. Think about that. Also:

>not remembering LAGUNA
>MEKOIDES
>TRECORUM SATIS DEE
>>90211247
Yes, but he was a loan shark voiced by Robert Loggia, who was in Scarface, Prizzi's Honor and GTA III
>>90211392
Well, having "Cute animals do things!" probably wouldn't have sold as well. Not defending it, but they had to put SOMETHING audiences would like on there...

>>90211912
They had pretty cool death scenes.
It's a shame they were overshadowed by Sykes getting blown the fuck up minutes later.

>>90167959
ratigan was brilliant, he didn't reveal his master stroke till the end.

>>90211247

The movie is possibly saved by him, who surprisingly turns out to be one of the most morally fucked people to star in a Disney movie. Oliver on a whole is not that good but the voice acting is superb.

Oh and it features two of the most brutal deaths in Disney movies Catching the night train and shocking 3rd rail

>>90211138
He didn't even need to kill the cats.

He didn't even properly get caught. Getting caught would have worked out a lot better for him. He instead accidentally mailed himself to Africa.

>>90211392
Art doesn't need a point. It's okay you don't like it, but it's still beautiful.

>>90187116
>Prefering an idiot running the show to evil.
Although I suppose Putin will soon be running the through the idiot so it'll work out in the end.

>>90180016
>Ratigan should be in God Tier. He's basically the synthesis of what makes a Disney villain great and is voiced by Vincent motherfucking Price

>Gaston should be in Great.
>I wouldn't rank Bellwether that high.

>Tremaine was creepy as hell and should at least be in good.
>Hades should be in Great, he was the best thing about Hercules.

>King John deserves better.
>Why the fuck is Gantu in Shit Tier?

>>90213235
Why did you greentext that?

>>90164006
The shitty villan was worth it for having the general be the one demanding the test be stoped for once instead of being the one to insist it continues.

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>>90180016
>The Horned King
>Mediocre
>Long John Silver
>Not God Tier
>Judge Claude Frollo
>Not Nature of Man tier

>>90213235
>>Why the fuck is Gantu in Shit Tier?
Why should he be higher up?

>>90204977
>>90204890

at least it had lions, lions look cool. unlike the babyfaced queen with superpowers

What Disney villain did literally nothing wrong?

>>90214378
Frolo.
He kept a hideous monster from the people of Paris, hunted thieving, murdering gypsies, fell under the corrupted sin of a whore.

>>90211659
I didn't think he was terrible until the climax. He fit the world and the setting. Chasing down a little girl in his fancy car down subway tracks was a little too over the top.

>>90191590
Shan Yu and by extension the Huns are portrayed as a force of nature in Mulan. They roll in, they destroy shit and murder innocents, and they ride off to the next town. The most ruthless, including Shan Yu himself, survive an avalanche and walk it off, adamant on taking all of China despite their numbers being cut down by like 90-95%. If not for Mulan, they would've succeeded.

I think one of the best things I've seen someone point out about a Disney movie is that Shan Yu actually does have a villain song: it's the deafening silence that cuts off A Girl Worth Fighting For when they find the ruined village.

Frollo

>>90211392

>hating on Bambi

Those are fighting words, anon

>>90211138

He didn't even need to kill the cats.

What the hell were a family of cats going to do with a bunch of money? They're fucking cats.

>>90212296
Didn't one of the dogs get electrocuted on the metro rail?

>>90162690
"Worst" or evil?

>>90180412
What about Chicken Little is so bad that you would rank it below the endless cheap direct-to-DVD sequels that every Disney movie gets?

>>90162690
Was he really bad? The evil one was the dude in green panties stealing and making fun of him.

>>90168973
Holy shit, not one good Disney movie made between 2000-2009

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>>90216783
>This guy doesn't like Lilo and Stitch

>>90216783
>>90218444


friendly reminder that Zootopia is the last movie good of the revival era. Just like Emperor's New Groove was of the renaissance era.

>>90216662
The sequels came out of a certain studio that produced a lot of made for tv level work, and are placed in a seperate category from other Disney films , recognized for its poor quality. Chicken Little on the other hand taints the official Disney Studios canon with its presence, and so is easier to get pissed at than many of the sequels, even if as a standalone movie it might not be so bad. It's like the sharpie doodle over the drawing of Spike Spiegel. If it was on a scrap of notebook paper no one would care about it.

>>90199667
the thing that got me about sid was there was some obscure Monsters' Inc comic for kids where Randall and Waternoose use the door technology to steal toys from children in the real world, and it's revealed that Sid was the mastermind behind it.

>>90172084
we found a lion king fag, kek

>>90199667
He's not even really a villian

>>90220247
The way he plays with action figures reminds me of myself at that age. I wonder if he ever put a toy in a glass of water, put it in the freezer, took it out, popped out the block of ice and said that toy was frozen in carbonite. That was a fun toy plot.

>>90220247
>>90220570

his toys, he could do whatever he wanted with them. howevr if he stole toys from his sister, that's bad.

also nice story, anon, stars wars can be inspiring.

>>90220658
Better than the Melting Chamber. Got in trouble for that one. But he had to die, COBRA don't play.

>>90212255
alt dimension doof is Hook. it all make sense now

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>>90162690
Madam Mim, because of her limited screen-time.

Still a good character, though.

>>90222302
>tfw you finally read T.H. White's original book, and it's SO much better than the movie in every way, especially the wizard's duel

>>90162773
>Hans
Hans was actually quite competent and almost succeed in his plan. He was way closer to victory than many Disney villains.

So no.

>>90223201
Until you realize he literally threw away three separate chances for his plan to work, and his plan would probably fail anyway due to monarchies working under "royal blood", of which you get none through marriage. After Anna dies, leadership would go to a blood relative, no matter how distant.

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>>90223387
>After Anna dies, leadership would go to a blood relative, no matter how distant.
Not necessarily. There can be mitigating factors there.

>>90199737
>The Evil Queen in Snow White kind of was a cannibal- wasn't she?

Was she? I know she ate the hog's heart thinking it was Snow White's in the original story, but I don't believe that was in the Disney version. Though it's been around 25 years since I saw it, so I don't know.

>>90213735
The audience liked a colourful cartoon musical about talking animals more than a dour serious colonization period piece starring stiff animated people. No mystery there!

>>90223387
>and his plan would probably fail anyway due to monarchies working under "royal blood", of which you get none through marriage.
It really can depend. Especially if the heir of the throne is female, the one marrying her might be able to pull it out.

>>90214719
There are so many things wrong with his plan.

For one thing, was that old bitch really going to leave every penny to her cats? Nothing more than a small stipend for her faithful butler who's taken care of her every need all these years?

She doesn't seem that heartless but even if that was the case. Wouldn't the Butler kind of assume ownership over the cats and their 'ownings'?

>>90180272
>What happened after 2000??
combination of several movies not doing as well as Disney hoped, a worsening relationship with Pixar(everyone thought Pixar was going to go independent before Disney managed a last minute patching things up and subsequently buying them) leading them to want to be able to do Pixar stuff without Pixar's involvement, and Shrek's sudden massive success seemingly rewriting the rules for theatrical animation just as much as Little Mermaid and Secret of NIMH did back in the 80's

>>90169535
Half of the budget is going to the thirty second Mario cameo. Can you really blame them?

>>90180016
I'd push Ratcliffe and Alameda Slim up to mediocre if mostly because they had good songs, Horned King, Hades, Hook, Mim, and Rourke all need to be Good or higher, Dr Facillier should be in great tier, otherwise I'd say this is a pretty decent tier list

>>90224038
Yeah, that never made sense to me. The money is basically his anyway, it's not like the cats can actually spend it themselves.

>>90198630
>If I were going to name the villain that actually made me angry, that would be Judge Claude Frollo. Watching him grind Quasi's self worth into a fine powder, someone who loved and trusted him. Listening to this poor defenseless kid repeat "I am ugly, I am a monster" as if it were his only truth in the world. When I was a child it was one of the only times a fictional character made me really mad.
that's probably one of the things that truly makes Frollo such a great villain, he can't get past the surface appearance of anyone, which mixed with his incredibly puritanical and contradictory view of scripture fuels his rage and hate until it leads to his demise

>>90198788
that's one of the reasons I really like the SNES Pinocchio game, you get to kick the Coachman's ass as part of the game

>>90224038
They say at the end of the film that it's a shame Edgar disappeared because she had just written him into the will, and since he skipped town suddenly she strikes him off. So he was definitely getting something. I think it may have been full control of the fortune on the behalf of the cats or something. They establish that everything he did to hurt the cats was all for nothing.

>>90162761
no see I like Hans for the simple fact that he teaches children that psychopaths exist, and exactly what they are, and how they target people, and can turn what you think are your best traits into your worst weaknesses

so for that I like Hans yes

>>90162690

Do you mean worst in quality, or worst as in most evil?

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>>90180016
>Edgar
>Shit tier

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>>90205474

>had all this gone down as planned, 101 Dalmations, The Rescuers, and Oliver and Company would take place in a shared Disney Cinematic Universe

Oh fuck, now I really, really want to see that crossover movie.

>Penny and Jenny become friends because reasons and share stories of brave talking animals.
>Jenny being the daughter of a pair of super rich people, gets kidnapped by Cruella DeVil
>Oliver immediately tries to mount a rescue attempt and meets up with the old crew.
>Separately, Penny contacts RAS and meets up with Bernard and Bianca.
>Oliver finds out that the old crew now has two dalmatians in and it turns out that Pongo and Purdy are there because they were in NY by coincidence and they heard rumours that Cruella turned up or something. Oliver tells them all to meet Penny because she knows Jenny well.
>All the dogs pile on the scooter and they pick up Penny and the mice
>Pongo and Purdy feel broadly intimidated by Sykes' strays
>Dodger, Pongo, Oliver, Bernard and Bianca all want to lead the team.
>Penny befriends sykes.
>The dalmatians form a force multiplier.
>The Rescuers are spies
>Oliver and Dodger working together
>Adventure and a bangin' soundtrack ensues.

So basically cute animal avengers? Adorable rescue force unite.

>>90224038
>For one thing, was that old bitch really going to leave every penny to her cats? Nothing more than a small stipend for her faithful butler who's taken care of her every need all these years?
>She doesn't seem that heartless but even if that was the case


She says in the movie that after the cats reach the end of their natural lifespans, Edgar gets the money.

Literally all he had to do was wait for the lady to die and then leave some chocolate out.

>>90162761
OP said villains anon.

Hans is definitely up there

>>90227229
Or hell, not even leave chocolate out.

They're fucking cats. Just say, "Oh yeah, the cats totally want a big screen TV and hookers".

>>90180016
>Yzma not god tier
>bear dude from TS3 higher than Sid and Prospector

kys

>>90213295
This so much this. Ditto for Akira. The military men should always be depicted as being pragmatists afraid of the risks, hell it's their entire fucking job. The scientists should be the ones who are depicted as being willing to push everything.

>>90226239
He probably should have just talked to Madame whatshername and asked her about it. She doesn't seem like a woman who takes offense easily.
Honesty is the key.

>>90227478
Lotso Huggin bear was just a repeat of the Prospector anyway.

The Prospector reveal was great. We all assume the collector is the main antagonist, like Sid in the first movie but turns out to be a really pissed off toy. Kelsey Grammars performance was GOAT.

>>90180016
This is a really nice list, but Hades in MEDIOCRE?!
Why?
Hades was great.
Rest of the list seems fine to me tho.

>>90213144
Don't attempt geo-politics ever again. In fact stay out of politics, you are one basic bitch.

>>90228138
you could argue that the prospector's motivation kinda came out of nowhere towards the end, whereas we got to gradually understand Lotso's motives as well as just how villainous he was.

>>90228255
I don't think it came out of nowhere. It's revealed late in the movie and it's a surprise the first time you watch it but on second viewing it's clear he's manipulating Woody into leaving Andy from the start.

We get shown Lotso's his backstory which was just a variation on the Prospectors.

They're both bitter toys who have been hurt by children and want to control or stop other toys from leaving out of jealousy.

>>90227147
should have Madame Medusa be working with Cruella(maybe have them be related)

>>90214378
Gantu, he was literally just doing his job.

>>90211336
Yeah, the Donkey allegory was pretty damn effective, given how many generations of children have been scarred for life by that sequence.

Myself included.

>>90162690

That Butler from the Aristocats, which also happens to be the shittiest disney movie.

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Edgar doesn't suck, in fact his scenes with the stray dogs are the only good parts of the aristocats movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU9hZpIdEss

>>90231240
The dogs totally overshadowed him there, I think.

>>90177199

Bellwether is a victim

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>>90205440
The first movie was underwhelming, including the fact a lot of the story was implied through dialogue a 6 year old kid wouldn't understand
>Kid was adopted and sent to the bayou to hun for treasure because she was small enough to fit into a crevice
>Meanwhile a mock UN of fucking mice is sent to rescue her after they find her message in a bottle
>Apparently humans didn't care enough to send them out to find her

Besides the ending, I can't remember much of the movie besides these points

Down Under, on the other hand, that animation still holds up today
>Tell me no one else hasn't fantasize about flying around on a fucking giant eagle

>>90207866
They probably went to go rescue them the next day. Cinematicly, it was probably better that they left it out than to unnecessarily prolong the movie by tying up loose ends with unnecessary dialogue--something Disney is progressively becoming guilty of with their recent movies.

>>90226298
But Hans isn't a psychopath. It's not cool to outright lie to children just to slap them across the face to make a point.

>>90216783
>Emperor's New Groove
>Lilo and Stitch
>Atlantis
>Treasure Planet
You are a pleb of the highest degree

>>90205474
>101 Dalmations, The Rescuers, and Oliver and Company would take place in a shared Disney Cinematic Universe

That sounds cool as fuck.

>>90168973

I don't remember why, but I could not bring myself to watch Brother Bear when it came out.

>>90236862
That's ok. If you've watched Brave you've seen it anyway.

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>>90162720
DELET

>>90228020
He wasn't an honest person around her for the whole movie. Every scene with him and another person, he acts completely different. He'd probably been building that persona for years

>>90162937
>Gonna second Rattcliffe here, but Pocahontas wasn't exactly Disney's a-game material.

That's funny. Disney thought it was. All the top talent wanted to work on Pocahontas while The Lion King was seen as a basic kiddie film for the B-team.

The circle of fucking life.

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>>90237736
HA! Now that is a laugh.

>>90238041
>>90237736

Frozen is the next Lion King

how does that make you feel?

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>>90238170
Hungry.

>>90238170
No, that would be zootopia and moana repeating the brown princess movie being outsold by the B-team animal movie

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>>90203486
Sharpay never made sense as a mean girl. She's pathetic. Sure, she's rich and attractive, but practically everyone hates her and her only friend is her twin brother who also seems to hate her. Being an obsessive theatre diva doesn't exactly make you high school royalty- even Glee knew that at first. The sad desperation in her spin-off movie where everyone, including her brother, is more successful than her only cements her rock bottom status.

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>>90238540

-did lion king had to be rewritten completely 6 months before the deadline?
-did lion king had tons of concept art that's hardly related to finished movie?
-did lion king had a documentary showing how the movie was made ?

because i know of some other movie which had all of these above.

and it was last good movie before another disney slump

>>90238963
Very good movie. Underrated. Not on this board, but in general.

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>>90198630
oogie boogie is the baddest villian. Sings cool song on how he's going to put santa Claus in a stew, tries to destroy the one thing that makes kids happy so the boogie man can come out of retirement, tries destroying Christmas, also tries killing jack who is essentialy the most important part of halloween too.

>>90240635
In that post I was assessing who actually succeeded in doing the most damage on screen. By virtue of murdering Mufasa, destroying the protagonists childhood and driving the Pridelands to ruin during his reign, Scar tops almost all other Disney film contenders.

That doesn't mean Oogie isn't sadistic or despicable. Oogie was an effective villain. He may indeed be meaner than Scar. But Scar has the virtue of actually succeeding in a lot of his plans.

>>90238963
It found an audience but when you see the making of documentary 'The Sweatbox' (which the Mouse House is trying to suppress) you can't help but feel bad for everyone involved.

The director desperately wants to write a magnum opus but has no story outside of a handful of cliche plot points. David Spade and Eartha Kitt spend years re recording the ever changing script and poor Sting thought he was going to get the same deal as Elton John did for The Lion King but constant story changes mean endless changes to his songs and the final insult? They end up scrapping the music altogether. that's gotta sting

Glad that people like the final product but I bet the people who worked on it can't bear to see many years of their lives turned into a silly Looney Tunes style romp.

>>90240635
I've known people who thought Oogie was a weak villain. He shows up in the final act unannounced and it's never really explained who he is, why he's separate from the rest of Halloween town or what threat he poses other than holding Santa against his will and singing a cool song.

>>90242211
Well, he was the shadow on the moon at night.
Filling our dreams to the brim with fright.

>>90242211
I always figured Oogie was like Beetlejuice: Banished to the outskirts of town because rather than just scaring, he take it too far and hurt or kill. That isn't in the spirit of Halloween, so they told him to fuck off. Lock Shock and Barrel still look up to him because he's the scariest guy around, in part because he's the most dangerous.

They didn't take the time to go into detail about his past or his motivations but in a way that sort of adds to the creepy boogeyman mystique.

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>Ctrl-F Marvel
>No hits.

Oh how the sweet children forget so quickly.

>>90213144
>>Prefe(r)ring an idiot running the show to evil.
Are you retarded? That's literally always the better option.

>>90242189

I think the documentary is one sided, the final movie is funniest Disney movie ever made, not perfect of course, but really fun.

Modern equivalent of sweatbox is this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3pF9owYlRI
We can see the similarities: the research, opinions from test audiences, executives and braintrust from Pixar, complete change of the tone of the movie and its plot. This seems to happen every 15 years.

>>90227368

I like how you think.

>>90229832

This. If Gantu hadn't underestimated Stitch and flushed him out the airlock Ripley style, then the whole movie wouldn't have ad to happe.

>>90177289
>>90177199
I hope Bellweather is also the villain in Zootop 2

>>90162690
Worst as in evil or worst as in shit

>>90164139
And he even codified a ton of laws that formed the basis of our modern democracy.

He was just unlucky as fuck.

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>>90244856

>>90180016
>Captain Hook
>Mediocre
Neck yourself.

>>90162690
Sarousch from Hunchback of Notre Dame the sequel.