/doag/ - Dumbing of Age/Group Therapy Session

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>>90151776
I thought this was supposed to be a Christian story. Why did Willis invoke Greek mythology by having Joyce tear out her eyes in the last panel?

Also, to nobody's surprise, the password is "unraveling". Here's a panel preview for 30 May 2017.

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>>90151776
Because they're haven't been enough gays in the strip this week

If you're going to go nowhere with the story at least make a fucking joke

>>90151995
The joke is that Joyce is apparently okay with lesbianism now, but not polyamorous relationships.

>>90151776
>Carla is capable of differentiating love and abuse

Not buying it, because apparently poor, poor pitiful Carla was so harshly abused by her hateful parents... who custom engineered her a commercial-quality toy, and ponied up for the premium gender reassignment and a private dorm room.

I wouldn't be surprised if he made this strip just to have an explanation for a future pin-up where Grace, Mandy, and Sierra are all boning each other.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he's only remembering that Grace and Mandy exist because he wants more characters to fill up his hallway.

>>90152227
>I wouldn't be surprised if he made this strip just to have an explanation for a future pin-up where Grace, Mandy, and Sierra are all boning each other.

Does he need one? I mean their SEMME squad was basically "hedonistic sexpot team"
This is just more of him careening back towards old ships.

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>>90151776
would you believe in God if you were Carla?

I know if I woke up looking like that, I would go towards the nearest living thing and kill it.

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>>90152161
Carla was so heavily oversheltered that her personality started to disintegrate.

Carla is ancap
>tells Joyce "you're owned by me now"
>physically attacks mary only after Mary violated the NAP destroying Carla's hardware
She probably couldn't afford to rent her daddy's death squad after the loan for sex reassignment surgery.
This all makes sense now.

>>90152357
Wait, Grace/Sierra is another strip from the Walkyverse?

That makes three now, at least: Leslie/Robin, Mike/Ethan (via antics), and this one. What's going on with Willis bringing back old ships?

>>90152449
alt right isn't friendly to trans though

>>90151989
i apprenciate the image
like when all these characters had one look it was easy to identify the glasses wearing redheads but god Willis' art is not at the point when he can start varying his shit up like this.

>>90152048
you can make a case in a theology debate that the christian version of god doesn't hate the gays
you cannot do that with polygamy

has there been confirmation weather Carla has had reassignment surgery or of shes just on hormones

Oh boy.

More lesbians.

>>90152765
it'll never be revealed, just let it go

if it's never revealed it means Willis never has the chance to be wrong and be proven to be a HACKFRAUD so he'll never reveal it

he took this tactic from Jeph

>>90152620
An-Caps aren't alt-right at all.

>>90152452
Due to the magic of retcons, Becky/Dina is now a retreaded relationship.

>>90152765
For all we know, Carla is the kind of trans person who just shaves their legs, wears female clothesm and speaks in a falsetto without putting any other actual effort into transitioning.

>>90152827
>Due to the magic of retcons, Becky/Dina is now a retreaded relationship.
That's probably the worst part of it all.

>>90152765
>>90152821
Showering at night and single dorm room make it easy to infer that Carla is pre-op. Willis should have shown that Carla only showers when no one else is around to hint that she's transsexual a long time ago.

>>90152891
but then Carla walked down the hallway in a wet towel with other people in it

Willis has no internal logic

>>90152765
You don't need to know what they characters have between their legs. It doesn't matter, shitlord.
You do need to know they weren't happy with what they were born with though. That's very important.
If you want to see what all the other characters have between their legs, buy the latest pornagraphique available now exclusively on slipshine.

>>90152850
i mean for some people that enough, gender dysphoria is weird and inconsistent
but mostly i was wondering because much hemming and hawing has been made of her being Miss Moneybags and having coddling parents so i figured if she wanted surgery she'd have it.
and either way taking hormones would be a good way to create cheap drama for her, having some antagonist deliberately block her from them or something.
though now that i think about it that'd be dumb cause if shes taking hormones and shes at a place where she can pass well enough it'd take weeks if not months of denying her hormones to make an appreciable difference.
though she'd probably get ill al the same
mostly i wanted to know if she had wiener or not still.

>>90153008
ive sen the porn and it makes it painfully obvious that Willis designs his characters with clothes as the bottom layer.
their anatomy becomes weirdly inconsistent wen naked and he draws sex very awkwardly.
and thats just the core concepts, his panel flow and layout tell me he can't draw an action sequence to save his life. which is fine for a guy who's biggest sequential art influence seems to be newspaper comics, but for a guy that likes batman so much you d think he'd know how to make an action feel natural and identifiable between panels. as it stands its all just bad poses and awkward sex faces.
if i could id tell him to check out Ovens or LittleFroggies work on the site that hoats him cause they makes some damn good and damn good looking sex comics

>>90152891
Willis could have done a LOT more to show that Carla was trans. But in attempting to avoid outright telling that Carla was trans, he ended up making sure he didn't even show that she was trans until he needed to make a plot out of it.

>>90153015
I'm not too big on LGBT issues, but the one thing that pisses me off the most is how people treat dysphoria as a temporary sort of condition. But that's not how it works, and that's never how dysphoria has worked.
Dysphoria is not a mote of dust that gets in your eye and makes you blink a lot to get rid of it. Dysphoria is not a popcorn kernel that gets stuck in your mouth between your tooth and gums that you need a toothpick to pull out.
Dysphoria is the spot under your skin that you wish was never there. Dysphoria is the divet in the roof of your mouth that you can't stop tonguing no matter how much it hurts. Dysphoria is the one arm that's just slightly shorter than your other arm.

Dysphoria isn't something you get. Dysphoria is something you have.

Anyways, that's my soapbox on the subject.
To answer your question, we like to pretend she has a massive penis that Mary worships like a new God.

>>90152357
Was Sierra part of that squad?

>>90153015
It's possible she's had an orchiectomy but not full SRS. Plus given her wealth and parents she was probably on puberty blockers then went straight to female hormones.

>>90153173
I prefer Carla to have Schrodinger's cock; whether it's a mighty cock or delicate, feminine penis depends entirely on the lewd.

>>90151776
i mean okay but im still waiting on a dude threesome willis

also
>three girls are poly lesbians and thats the entire joke
a paragon of openmindedness

>>90151776
so is it just me, or has willy slid into the level of inadequate where it's not good enough for praise, but not bad enough to be an interesting autopsy?

>>90153642
Yep. A good portion of the bisexual women were part of that squad.

>>90153766
It does make you wonder when Carla realized she was trans and when she told her parents.

>>90153818
Bisexual. Not that it matters, because we are unlikely to see them date any men. Ever.

>>90151776
The design of Carla's jacket makes it look like she has a pointy boob.

Also, how likely are they to be doing this out in the hallway? Wouldn't they like.... go to someone's room? They wouldn't go to Sierra's, since her roommate is Dorothy, who has a stick up her butt. But if Mandy is fine with it, then why not do it there? Or the community room? Dorm hallways are not very wide. They don't seem to be good places for random makeouts.

Also, does Grace ever have her eyes fully open?

Can you imagine making out with someone who covers half their face with hair? Hair in your mouth all the damn time.

>>90155953
You just made me realize that we can't see Sierra's other eye through her hair.

Why tf do we see Becky's then?

>>90155987
Well Sierra's hair is like pure 000000 black so it'd look too fucked even for Willis. Also 'has half a face' is one of maybe three design traits Sierra has so he can't break that.

Joyce's mother was right. She should have gone to Christian college.

this comic, it's just.. .it's just awful. why have I been reading it for the past few years. what's wrong with me.

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>>90156752
It's a realization all of us have had.

I even had that realization a few times, but there's something about it that makes me want to come back to it at times. Talking about it here is the most constructive way of dealing with that.

I've talked a little bit about the addiction model here before, so here's a quick recap:

The way gambling works is that it tricks you into thinking you have a chance of winning. You can pay $9 per spin, and every 3-7 spins, you'll get a small payout of less than the $9 you're using per spin.

Because you get these small wins, your brain tricks itself into thinking that you're close to getting bigger wins.

The odds of big wins are really low, but the machine and its payouts are designed to make you think the odds are higher than they actually are.

Willis uses this model, but it's probably not intentional. There will occasionally be a flash of insight or something that borders on funny, so you trick yourself into thinking that maybe the comic will get better.

Example:
>It's super-depressing right now? Well, there was that one storyline that made you giggle a while back. Maybe he'll do something like it again later on.

The characters have the potential to be interesting and complex, but every time Willis looks like he's going to do something with that, he ruins it and makes it cheap. Because he occasionally gives us a nugget of something that's not a total turd, we can't help but hope that he'll do something with these characters that's meaningful or at least interesting.

No matter how much we hope for it, it's not going to happen. But our brains are stupid, and we also like to have a sense of closure. We want to know what will happen to these characters. With how he's extended everything out by several years, we keep hoping that closure will happen, and then we realize it's only been a month.

Here's a fact for you: each week of school is represented across the span of one real-life year.

>>90156932
god damn this was not the actual spot on analysis I was expecting. good post.

The sad reality of it is that in another four or five years he'll be ready to move on and draw another comic and end it with some super cop out ending around Christmas time in-universe with dozens of dangling plot threads

just fucking shoot me senpai

>>90157036
at least we can laugh when it ends on fucking soggies again

Dykes and lesbians are boring. Somebody post more Joyce. Or even corrupted Joyce

>>90151776
> Why aren't they having heterosexual intercourse for the purpose of procreation reeeee
I want to have an abusive loving relationship with Joyce.

>>90151888
>Why did Willis invoke Greek mythology by having Joyce tear out her eyes in the last panel?

She didn't

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>>90157036
Here go learn a thing or two
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning

The trick of gambling is that a stimulus with an uncertain reward is much stronger than a stimulus with always reward. There is a word for it.

>>90151776
What does this bring our vagitarian count up to now?

https://youtu.be/0TZ_9-rbslo

>>90152850
>For all we know, Carla is the kind of trans person who just shaves their legs, wears female clothesm and speaks in a falsetto without putting any other actual effort into transitioning.
So a transvestite? Because despite what tumblr might claim (i.e. anyone is anything they say they are) that's a very different thing to transgender.

>>90151776
Carla looks hotter with her hair down.

I still can't get over Grace giving Dorothy the stink eye for absolutely no reason in her last appearance.

>>90151776
So are we supposed to sympathise with Joyce finding herself amongst this degeneracy, or sympathise with the degenerates?

No wait, this is Willis, I already know the answer.

>>90159374
Joyce will likely snap and force herself into having sex with a """Nice Guy""" who is actually an insecure betamax, thus leading her down the path of total despair.

>>90159374
We're supposed to go "d'uhhh girl kissing another girl!? me wantie! take money, willis!"

>>90159491
Hasn't anyone shamed him for fetishising lesbians yet?

That's one of the big Tumblrina triggers irrc

>>90159402
Nah, some Chad Will probrably lie his way and Break her.

>>90159538
Chads are for deflowering girls who just go with the flow of religion.

Joyce would be a neurotic mess even without God. A chad wouldn't stick it in crazy and Joyce would definitely show her crazy.

>>90159525
I'm surprised they haven't. A married white man with children whose day job is drawing lesbians, and occasionally draws lesbian porn of characters he's drawn since childhood.

>>90156932

I'd agree with your addiction analysis, but replace "nuggets of potential quality" with "porn".

I think I'm only here out of the vague, impossible possibility that he'll make awful porn of certain characters.

That he made a lewd of Mary, despite me declaring it an impossibility, is that "small win" you speak of.

>>90159726

It amuses me to remember that his boys will grow up one day, start browsing the internet, and possibly discover his father's pornography.

>>90160662

>Willis' kids find his pornography
>speed-lines, agonized screaming, clit-biting
>think this must be how it's supposed to be

I remember a story from a friend who was in the army. This friend had another friend who hadn't gotten laid, so his squad buddies took him to a brothel to pop his cherry. He was promptly thrown out on his ass for fucking his companion in the manner he'd seen in the porn films he'd so frequently enjoyed before.

I don't know what made me think of that.

>>90161146

I wonder if his kids will ever look up the /doag/ archives in their rebellious adolescence.

>>90161146

Jaysus, how the fuck do you cross the line on a prostitute.

>yfw his kids find out about birds and bees from his porn
>end up in bed with a girl
>spend the rest of HS known as the Clit Nip

>>90161783
Body parts are chewy and stretchy like taffy!

>>90163118

Fuck, he's raising two serial killers.

>>90163223
At least we know their calling card will be folding the bodies up into car shapes as they try to see the appeal in all that plastic crap their dad bought and didn't let them play with.

>>90163739
Don't forget leaving teeth marks on labia.

>>90159051
They're still bisexual, which was established in previous Willis works. All their sexualities carry over.

Straight:
1. Mary
2. Rapin’ Ryan
3. One of the Rachels (there are two)
4. Agatha (blonde Mormon)
5. Dorothy
6. Walky
7. Joyce
8. Amber/Amazi-Girl
9. Sarah
10. Sal
11. Jocelyne/Josh (likes guys) (Joyce’s sibling)
12. Roz
13. Joe
14. Jacob
15. Lucy (Malaya’s roomie)
16. Ken (pointless, works at Galasso’s)
17. Raidah (horrible person, hates Sarah, dating Jacob)

Bisexual:
1. Ruth
2. Marcie (mute, not deaf)
3. Billie
4. Danny
5. Mike (whichever preference spites you the most)
6. Sierra (footloose and fancy free)
7. Grace (dating Mandy, lives with her)
8. Mandy (looks like Willis)

Gay:
1. Becky
2. Leslie (Gender Studies prof)
Becky
3. Newspaper editor-in-chief (Daisy)
Becky
4. Ethan
Becky
5. Kaitlin (Becky’s old roomie)
Becky

Asexual:
1. Carla
2. Galasso?

Generally undefinably not straight:
1. Robin
2. Malaya
3. Dina
4. Bryan (Tales of Sinterest)
5. Sayid (Tales of Sinterest)
6. Alice (Billie’s old friend)

>>90159006
Obscenely hung traps/trannies are best kind. Especially when they almost exclusively want hands-free orgasms from getting their prostate pounded.

>>90164353
Josh liking guys makes him straight?

>>90159525
I might say something about it tomorrow. I'm actually just really looking forward to seeing the comments for this strip because of how absurd it is.

>>90159199
lol tumblr hates transvestites. They claim that drag queens are appropriating trans culture and if you're a man dressed as a woman that's like blackface for trans women.

...Unless a drag queen does something positive, in which case tumblr pretends they're trans.

>>90151776
Last Pana Joyce looks like a creepy pasta

>>90166038
>The Girl Who Couldn't See

>There once was a girl named Joyce. This adorable home-schooler finally made it to college. The big leagues!

>One drawback: She couldn't see.

>But this cheerful girl didn't let that get her down! She used a voice recorder during class so she wouldn't have to worry about taking notes. And sometimes, her classmates would type up their notes for her, which her computer was able to read aloud for her.

>Although everything seemed to be going well for her at college, the first time she'd ever been away from home, Joyce met a tragic fate when her friend Dorothy brought her to a party.

>While Dorothy abandoned her to do an interview, Joyce found a friendly group of people doing role-playing games. They were playing Call of Cthulhu. She volunteered to play with them. It was exciting to play a game that wasn't designed by Christians!

>She invested herself fully into the game and was able to create a Seer, with the GM's help. The GM, Ryan, gave her the ability to see beyond, to see what the other players could not.

>A tear rolled down Joyce's face. "If only I could see for real."

>"Maybe... you can." Ryan placed his hand over hers.

>"How so?" the timid girl asked.

>"As a fellow Christian, I was hesitant to play this game for the first time," Ryan said. "But I learned a lot. And they were right: games like these do have occult contexts."

>A chill ran down Joyce's spine. She tried to pull her hand away from the man. But he gripped her tighter.

(end of part 1)

>>90166038
>>90166381
>"No, Joyce. Let me help you see."

>The entire group linked their hands together and chanted an ancient song, the likes of which Joyce had never heard.

>Her eyes fluttered shut. No. This couldn't be happening. Why were they doing this to her?

>Everything went silent. She opened her eyes. And she wished she hadn't.

>Now Joyce really could see beyond. The problem? The beyond was much closer than she had thought.

>Wrapped around every bookshelf, every person, every window, every door were unholy creatures. The kind of creatures one only saw in nightmares.

>Something slithered around her neck and whispered in her ear: "Isn't this better, Joyce?"

>"No! No! Why did you do this?" Joyce sobbed. She'd never asked for this.

>Ryan held her hand again, as a green tentacled creature crawled up her arm. "Now you can see, Joyce!" His euphoria was bone-chilling.

>Something tapped Joyce on her shoulder. She screamed and fainted, as Cthulhu himself descended down her throat and into her mind.

>She was never seen again.

>The End?

>>90166406
>She screamed and fainted, as Cthulhu himself descended down her throat
hot

Seriously, nice little story

>>90165499
>trans culture
Ah yes, the ancient traditions of taking hormones and getting your junk turned inside out.

>>90164642
josh is trans, so yes.

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>>90166485
Thanks!

>>90167328
I just remembered that Jocelyn giving her site's information to Ethan hasn't really come up at all since.

I'd have figured that Ethan would've wanted to talk to someone else going through the lgbt troubles, and worrying about closeting and pursuing interests.

Nah, lets just have him continue to obsess over toys and let Amber call him not gay enough.

>>90169203
there was a side page of child josh saying she wanted people to call her jocelyn and her...brother I think misinterpreting that.

>>90169227
Yeah, basically her origin story.

I think she's been used enough, I just thought we might get some more interaction between Ethan and her set after the freshman family weekend.

>>90151776
But neither Billy or Ruth are religious, Carla.

Joyce has gone from 0 to out of her mind in record time.

>>90169301
Jocelyn is kind of a side character that doesn't really have much purpose in the strip so a bunch of appearances would come across as forced. Maybe if Willis had established that he lives near Bloomington it would work, but that would just bring up more issues.

>>90171666
I agree, and I wouldn't put her on campus any more than she has been. What I'm thinking would be more like Joyce's calls to Becky or home, or the texting stuff recently. It could just be from Ethan's point of view, with him reading and commenting on her work.

>>90173173
>Ethan posts multi-page comments on every one of Jocelyn's updates, interpreting everything in a way that validates his worldview

>>90169544
She's always been uncomfortable around PDA.

why do I like Riverdale but hate DOA?

>>90176849
Competency of execution.

>>90176968
Plus, the drama actually has purposes. In DoA, the drama disappears as quickly as it appears, and most of it has no impact on anything whatsoever.

>>90176849
Riverdale is stupid enough to be likable. It doesn't try to be smart or different. It's in a "so bad it's good" kind of tier.
DoA is too stupid to realize it's unlikable. It tries too hard to be smart and comes off as cringing.

>>90177972
They're both soap operas at heart. Riverdale just has proper narrative flow. I really think that if you gave a competent writing team a bulletpointed summary of DoA plotlines and characters they could turn out a pretty decent show.

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bad hygiene is funny.

>>90178402
I've said something along those lines before myself. You could probably get something better than what we've had for the past six years if you gave DoA to somebody who isn't Willis.

>>90178734
>Consent is cool!
I know Willis is doing this for brownie points, but it just seems stupid given the Joyce thing.

>Dorothy texting Walky
She couldn't say hi to him in person?

>Mike being an asshole
Do people actually like Mike?

>the password
It's "skip".

>>90178734
>Walky and Dorothy are boyfriend and girlfriend now even though they never talked about being anything other than fwb
>Mike is just being a fucking dick to a person he's never even talked to
>Willis tries grossout humor and fails
>why the fuck does Mike know anything if his only fucking friend in the world is Ethan

>>90178734

Is Willis playing up the whole "Mike as all-knowing righteous asshole" thing to try to make the comments section like him? Because THAT'S sure as hell going to backfire fast.

>>90178734
Panel 4 could be a move in the direction where maybe Mike is less shitty. It kinda couches his assholeishness in a playful demeanour.

EXCEPT, it's not really a joke, because Mike generally does just know way more than he should, and he does only use that information to make people's lives miserable.

>>90178889
?

>>90152717
>you can make a case in a theology debate that the christian version of god doesn't hate the gays
>you cannot do that with polygamy

dude, polygamy is A-OK in the Bible.

>>90178734
>straw-man-guy brushing his teeth

>>90177972
>DoA is too stupid to realize it's unlikable. It tries too hard to be smart and comes off as cringing.
The only reason DoA isn't an epic soap opera is because Willis insists on shoehorning unfunny jokes everywhere. It's got some great story arcs, and if he just cut out all the strips that break up the drama with attempts at comedy, or the ones where you get 3 panels of drama and character development followed by a joke in the very last panel, it would actually be a pretty good comic.

>>90179166
I think that the "Carla skating in the hallway" incident proved that Willis doesn't give a fuck about showing how anyone learned anything of plot significance.

>>90178852
You haven't been to college in a while, have you? That sort of 'consent is cool' rhetoric has been going around for a while. It's not a bad thing, imo. And it's not like it actually affects anyone who posts here, since there's no chance of us are getting laid, and if we do, it's not at a party.

>>90179614
Nah, I understand where it's coming from.
I just feel like there's something off with Willis incorporating it as background flavor while also minimizing the role of an almost-rape victim in her own story about almost being raped.

Mostly I'm just still pissed about Joyce being pushed aside for Amber and Sal's team-up.

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>>90178852
>Do people actually like Mike?

He's almost the only reason I keep on bothering to come to these threads. Him being a grounded asshole, in this fucking carnival mirror reflection of humanity that Willis has wrought, is one of the last things about this strip I enjoy anymore.

Panel 4 legit made me chuckle.

>>90179880
But how grounded is he? Because I'm still pretty goddamn sure that for all his scheming to get Danny to man up and take Ethan for his own, Mike has done a piss-poor job of seducing Ethan while Danny is actually watching.

>>90151776
>Sierra's kissing girls
>not kissing me
I don't care. She's still best girl.

>>90179933
It's only been a matter of days of Willis-time since he began plotting that. Mike seems to favor the long con for his targets.

>>90179933
>his scheming to get Danny to man up and take Ethan for his own
His stated purpose is to seduce one of them to turn the other "into a jealous whimpering mess"

I'm not sure how that is going to cause any manning up. But you're right, he should be doing it where Danny can see.

>>90180064
don't worry anon, this plot will be going on for the next 6 years

>>90180281
There's only two ways to rationalize why Mike is doing it based on that "jealous whimpering mess" line: Either he wants to hook the two up and take credit for it, or he's an actual dick who people somehow tolerate.

Like, seriously, Mike hasn't done anything worth sticking through for.

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>>90180342
>he's an actual dick who people somehow tolerate
I believe this is explicitly the case. As much as it doesn't make any goddamn sense for anyone who isn't Ethan, and not even him, if he had the least amount of backbone.

Like, Mike genuinely tried to sabotage Walky's first relationship and apologized by trying to ruin it again. I dunno why Walky would ever talk to him again.

>>90178734
Oh hey it's Tony.
Haven't seem him for over a year.

>>90178852
>She couldn't say hi to him in person?
Maybe she was in class halfway across campus?

>>90178889
Dorothy made the mistake of investing in him emotionally and said she loved him.

>>90179614
There, there, friend. You will find someone one day.

>>90179482

What are the great story arcs of DoA, anon?

>>90160210
No, we've seen the porn, it's crap. Literally our filthy fanfiction about, as one Anon artfully referred to it, "Mary worshipping Carla's Mighty Penis like a new god" is better than his porn. It's THAT bad.

>>90151776
>you have trouble discerning between love and abuse
Just like Willis' fanbase!

>>90181394
I like the strips where they, uh, do that... that one thing. With the stuff. Yeah.

>>90178914

I feel like Mike is actually a character Willis legitimately likes and didn't at all intend for his fans to despise so much.

Whereas he actually doesn't care for someone like Mary, meaning he'll make her more and more unpleasant and dump punishment after punishment upon for his fans' catharsis, he might actually try to do the opposite with Mike, attempting to win his fans over to liking him somehow.

At least, that's my speculation.

>>90178734
Why is Tony suddenly living on this floor? Shouldn't he have like an exclusive football dorm or something as QB?

>>90152717

Didn't the wisest, most Godly king of Israel have like, 700 asses for the tapping?

Personally, I'm more a fan of Judaism. Seems to me like the Abrahamic religions follow similar trends to certain trilogies: Classic start, popular sequel, shitty finale.

>>90181394
I'm mostly a fan of Joyce's evolution from a super strict old testament christian to a more lenient one, because it's written from experience. Also Sal and Walky's relationship as the unfavorable and the favorite of their parents and how that effected both of them differently: Sal became a delinquent starved for her parent's love, while Walky a manchild who never learned how to grow up and survive without his parents constant hovering.

>>90178734
Ok, so this is the first thing that I feel like Dorothy legit wouldn't put up with. She wouldn't put up with sweatpants jeans, why would she be fine with dirty underwear? Unless Walky has somehow planned all his encounters to be with clean drawers.

>>90185750

I think Joyce's arc was better written during It's Walky (surprise, he's retreading plot-threads!), despite some of the more fantastical elements.

Realizing that ,according to her beliefs, a good person she knew who had died was barred from heaven or even cast to hell, and having to reconcile that, was a pretty good little arc.

>>90181280
>Maybe she was in class halfway across campus?
It's morning, though. Everybody's only now waking up.

>>90185750
>Joyce's evolution from a super strict old testament christian to a more lenient one
Personally, I feel like Joyce's evolution would be better if it were more gradual and if it was less bumpy. By gradual, I mean I'd like something with more subtlety, in that events in Joyce's life that affect her religious beliefs aren't as blatant or as grand as "I was almost raped" and "My best friend was kidnapped" or "There are lesbians in the hallway and I must act silly". Something like that.
And by "less bumpy" I mean that Willis seems to want to put Joyce on both extremes, from having little to no faith in God to being Jesus' Number One #1 Fan. It should be smoother.

>Sal and Walky's relationship as the unfavorable and the favorite of their parents and how that effected both of them differently
This could have been a good storyline to examine if Willis didn't wreck it by saying that their parents were just racist and Walky was born whiter than Sal. As we've said before in these threads, you could get more out of Sal's feelings by having her blame racism when it was always her own actions as a miscreant and a troublemaker that caused her parents to like her less than Walky.

>>90152717

>I never read a page of the Bible and I don't know the difference between cultural norms and biblical teachings.

ftfy

>>90185976
I think that Sal and Walky should be switched. Sal as a goofy, immature womanchild to get attention because her parents paid more attention to Walky and Walky as an abrasive loner who robbed a convenience store out of teenage rebellion against helicopter parents.

>>90152717
>you cannot do that with polygamy
nigger, read any book of the bible ever. Men taking multiple wives was all but encouraged...king solomon had something like 200 wives, and even king david, who was god's poster boy, only fell out of favour when he got some dude killed so he could bang his wife.

>>90186034
That might work, but I'd have to see it in action.

In the end, though, it's all just Willis lashing out at the very concept of having parents. Except for his own kids, of course. He's going to be the cool dad that he never had himself. That's sure not to backfire at all.

>>90185976
>This could have been a good storyline to examine if Willis didn't wreck it by saying that their parents were just racist and Walky was born whiter than Sal. As we've said before in these threads, you could get more out of Sal's feelings by having her blame racism when it was always her own actions as a miscreant and a troublemaker that caused her parents to like her less than Walky.
I took that to mean Walky looked whiter than Sal, because she got curly black hair while Walky got straight white hair. I think it would be interesting if Sal was more interested in being "black", doing black things, following black politics, etc.... while the rest of her family (even her black father) acted more white. But I'll admit the only real evidence I have of that is her reluctance to straighten her hair.

>>90186034
Speaking from personal experience, when you grow up with parents who always took care of everything for you/babied you until the day you left for college, it's really hard to transition into the real world and do things like set your own schedule/go to all your classes/study when suddenly there's nobody making you.

>>90186083
That would be a far better way of showing how Sal is "blacker" than Walky, despite the two having the same skin color.

But no, apparently for Willis being black means that you're failing math classes, rob convenience stores, and shack up with teachers to try and get better grades.

>>90186083
The problem is that she isn't reluctant to straighten her hair, she's apparently been consistently straightening her hair for years despite not living with her parents since she was 13. Hell, the flashbacks show she didn't start straightening her hair until after the robbery.

>>90186060
You'd obviously need to change some stuff up, but I think it could work fine. It would also help explain and recontextualize some of their actions in the story. Sal sleeping with Jason for a good grade works better with her being immature and childish, Dorothy's attraction to Walky makes more sense if he's the bad boy with the mysterious past who doesn't talk like a retard half the time, and Walky's refusal to talk with Dorothy about his school struggles make more sense because he figures she'll start treating him the way his parents did.

Though for the inter-sibling conflict to work fully either Walky still needs to be the favorite in spite of everything or for their parents to have immediately tried to mold Sal into Walky once they shipped him off.

>>90185976

>you could get more out of Sal's feelings by having her blame racism when it was always her own actions as a miscreant and a troublemaker that caused her parents to like her less than Walky.

Indeed. Might be he even considered it at some point (or not, hell if I know). But having spoken to his fans and mentioning this exact possibility, they have been ardently, indignantly clear: if it turned out her parents aren't simply racist, than it's equivalent to saying all racism ever is false and fake.

Also, I'm a transphobic racist for suggesting it.

>>90186714
You could counter by pointing out that such black and white thinking means that biracial kids have to adhere to a rigid identity group and that people in mixed relationships don't actually love each other.

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>>90185801
I kinda hope she'll dig through his clothes and discover that all his underwear is rank and then break up with him for it.

>>90185976
Dorothy goes jogging in the mornings, actually.

>>90151776
They all need shock therapy

>>90186060
>He's going to be the embarrassing dad that he never had himself.

FTFY

>>90189445
What's going to be great is that Willis will be the Cool Dad until his kids are around 10 or 11, then he's going to be the embarrassing dad.

>>90186083
It occurs to me that no black woman would want her hair to be as long as Sal's. There's this thing called "shrinkage."

When I was teaching, I had a student whose hair went down to her shoulders. Over the weekend, she had her hair braided. Not only was the hair all the way past her waist, but the braids were also wrapped on top of her head, so the hair was even longer than what you could visually tell.

Again, her hair was shoulder-length. When you style black hair, it tends to go to a different length. If Sal ever braided her hair, she would look like freaking Rapunzel.

It's also difficult to maintain black hair, especially when it's that long.

http://www.eurweb.com/2014/05/science-reveals-why-many-black-women-dont-have-long-hair/#

http://www.howtoblackhair.com/pages/resources

>>90186120
>But no, apparently for Willis being black means that you're failing math classes, rob convenience stores, and shack up with teachers to try and get better grades.
Well, at least Walky is failing math, too.

>>90190761
Sal's not black though, she's biracial and 3/4ths white.

>>90190796
Yeah, but Walky isn't black, didn't you hear?

>>90191090
But she's the blacker one!

Wait, if all this is happening early in the morning, why are Sierra and Grace making out in the hallway? Isn't it a little early to block traffic with random make-outs?

>>90190796
yes, but walky failing math is because of his own failings as a student.
Sal failing at math is because she's black, and as we all know, black people are disadvantaged at the white man's maths.

>>90192159
The gay agenda never rests

>>90192159
Well the hallway seems to be about 20 meters wide, so I don't think they're blocking anything.

Willis has the uncanny ability to make me hate side characters that have barely had 5 lines of dialogue

>>90191090

More like half white, 1/2 black and 1/4 Asian

>>90195542

He also has the ability to make you hate Transformers fans as a whole

>>90186043
>king solomon did it so 2000 years of Christian teaching is irrelevant

This is why we need autocracy. You people aren't smart enough to govern yourselves.

>>90197733
>christian teaching
yeah, okay. you go ahead and show me in the bible, anywhere at all, where it preaches monogamy.

please.

>>90156932
>>90157036

Nothing borders on funny, you've been scammed this entire time by throwing money out of a train and assuming it's going straight into your bank

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>>90197787
Closest thing I can recall is Jesus telling a widow she wouldn't be barred from heaven if she got remarried.

>>90198407
thought so.

There's nothing inherently christian about being monogamous.

>>90197981
Occasionally, I will halfway crack a smile.

>>90190761
I think that's part of the point. Sal goes through incredible lengths to look white in order to please her mother, who feels it looks better than when she looks black.

>>90200546
Sal does nothing but straighten her hair, she always looks white albeit a bit Mediterranean. She's not making her bathe in fade cream.

>>90200546
Her dad likes it too.

>>90192159
Good morning, let's exchange morning breath.

>>90201581
>he didn't make out with his floormate to figure out which kind of toothpaste tastes best before buying

Look at Mr. Moneybags here; I bet your mommy and daddy bought all your toothpaste in college.

>>90199319
There's some stuff about divorce.

>>90192909
He became exponentially blacker when his grades went bad, when his hair frizzed out. Willis dismissed this as a 'callback' to a moment with Sal, and no one called him on it.

Granted, no one called him when Walky was imagining Dorothy as an obnoxious barking dog. Willis even made dog-Dorothy into quirky merch.

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In tonight's sleepy sketch, well...nothing really happens.

Tension builds...I guess.

>>90206481
beat me by seconds.

>>90206481
>Carla's in it and having a reaction that's neither arrogant nor bitchy
>No forced punchlines anywhere
>I'm actually curious to see what the next strip brings

I...don't think I can hate this.

>>90206481
the blonde chick looks like Danny and Ethan's daughter or something, it's fucking with my facial recognition

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Since tonight's comic was such a fucking snore, I guess I'll try and entertain y'all with a cap of Willis's opinion of Patreon trying to get it's creators to give a little more entertainment to their donors.

>>90206481
Carla, don't pretend like you feel bad now. You did the right thing, even if you did it in the wrong way. Own your shit.

>>90206848
Do you mean the brunette in panel 3, Rachel? Because she totally is just Danny's face shape and hair helmet with Ethan's hair colouring, a manta ray stuck to the back of her head, two twizzlers stuck to her mouth and some freckles.

>>90206856
"this stuff down below is just shitposting"
>Willis implying that anything on his Patreon *isn't* shitposting.

Nice try, Willis.

>>90206856
it's painful how ironic this is, considering half the shit in his comic needs his editorializing and contextualizing to convey the "right" message

>>90206792

I still kinda do.

I mean, all this effort for the dramatic reveal, but you gotta kinda feel respect or concern for the characters to appreciate it, so it's kinda like... "Guess that one bitch is back."

>>90178734
I actually like this strip. What's happening to me?

>>90206792
I don't hate it or like it. It's almost a non-entity.

I get that it's a setup strip, but I really don't care since most of Willis's setups go nowhere fast.

>>90206856
>using 4chan terms

I'm 90% sure this guy lurks these threads but hates us publicly

>>90206481
>girl tries to kill herself
>doesn't drop out for the rest of the semester

que?

>>90207078
Shitposting has transcended 4chan. You can shitpost anywhere, now. I mostly see it in reference to twitter.

>>90207101
>girl tries to kill herself
She just slept in, guys.

>>90206848
Agatha? She's Dina's face with Becky's old hairstyle.

>>90197787
>>90199319
Except 2000 years of Christian teaching you dumb dumb motherfucker.

>>90207129
That's because idiots who post on 4chan also post on twitter.

>>90207139
>christian
if it isn't in the bible, it isn't christian.
heck, even some christian sects still support polygamy today.

>>90207078
"shitposting" is one of those things that probably started elsewhere, gained mass popularity here, and then bled through everywhere

I don't think we can really own the term anymore

I honestly do think he lurks these threads though. I think he's too narcissistic to ignore the attention we give him

>>90207168
How is it possible to be as retarded as you are? The Church determines what is Christian and isn't, that's why there's a fucking church staffed by clergymen who are spiritually descended from the apostles and therefore indirectly anointed by God to preach his word. How fucking dumb do you have to be to not understand this and mindlessly assert "but it's not in the bible...." over and over like it means anything.

>>90207281
because to be christian is to follow the word of god, not the words of sinful and imperfect humans.

or was I completely missing the point of going to church for years and studying the bible, rather than mindlessly parroting what those around me were saying?

>>90207307
Yeah, you did. Probably because you're a fucking Evangelical Protestant. Kys Willis.

>>90207281
>the Church
>with a capital C

The Church with a capital C determines what is CATHOLIC and isn't.

The many, many churches of Christianity with a lowercase c vary in so many ways that refute your tiny confined worldview that I'm surprised your head isn't spinning like a top 24/7

>>90207129
Seriously. If that's what passes for a suicide attempt these days, I've been trying to kill myself every day for the past five years.

>>90207369
except different christian sects teach different things. That's why there are multiple sects. catholics teach different things from anglicans, who are different from protestants, which are different from mormons.

humans are flawed. christianity teaches that god is not. the bible has nothing against polygamy. Some sects of christianity have nothing against polygamy.

monogamy is not inherently christian, as it is not spoken about in the bible. It may not be CATHOLIC, but catholicism is not the be-all end-all of what makes one christian.

>>90207281
Yeah. It's not like there's literally HUNDREDS of offshoots of Christianity, with different beliefs, denominations, rules, followings, morals and interpretations.

>>90207372
>tiny confined worldview

You mean correct worldview. Letting every moron write his own fanfiction of what he thinks christianity should be doesn't make a rich and diverse tapestry it just means you have garbage piled on garbage.

That things like Pentacostals talking to snakes and Calvinists believing in predetermination exist is nothing good or righteous and your ideas aren't worth hearing because they're all terrible and you're a moron.

>>90207407
I guess I'm literally trying to kill myself right now.

I cleared plans for the weekend and took a vacation day to watch the 4CC finals and be here for the Star Vs season finale, and I'm just gonna sleep, shitpost, and drink for the next four days.

sned halp

>>90206481
>>90207101
It is rather baffling, considering all the drama about where Ruth is going to live and her shadowy offscreen grandpa and shit, how little focus is given to the logistics of coming back from getting institutionalized

I mean, at the very least, there'd be talks with school officials in charge of making sure students don't go mad with stress. Working out missed classes with teachers. Figuring out what needs to be done in order to prevent it from happening again.

Also, if Ruth is coming back on this floor, it should just be to get her stuff so she can move to a new dorm. One, it'd be incredibly stressful for her to stay in a place where everyone saw her at her lowest moment (well, one of them, at least). Two, unless she outright lied to her therapists, there's no way they'd let her stay on the same floor as Billie. She's going to fall into bad habits as easily as if she was living in a liquor store. But she is going to stay on this floor, because Willis doesn't have enough characters on ice to populate a new dorm.

Say what you want about Jacques, but at least he's willing to introduce new areas and characters instead of forcing everything to happen in the same two or three environments.

>>90207470
>some idiot in bumfuck nowhere decides the bible condones polygamy
>he starts his own church on this basis
>this is okay because freedom and stuff

No. The Church is eternal and the rules have been set for thousands of years. The only idiots committing human folly here are the morons who think they can interpret the bible any way they want. Their interpretations are wrong and there's a reason why Protestant Europe is dead while Catholic Europe (and Orthodox Europe to a lesser extent) is still faithful. Because founding your house on sand is a dumbfuck idea.

>>90207485
except even the Church changes its mind on what Christianity is and should be every new pope.

>>90207485
>ignoring apocrypha written before or at the same time as your New Testament

Sure, your cherry picked texts aren't just glorified Jesus fanfics at all.

>>90207588
>the patriarchs of the Church agreed on which books where truly holy and which weren't
>somehow because some desert rats wrote their own fanfiction and had their own little clubs without the involvement of any successor to the apostles leading them they must be equally valid

>>90207654
>the patriarchs of the Church were't also desert rats

k

>>90207654
Constantine and his council decided which books were canon and which were apocryphal but okay

>>90207654
>some completely random romans 2000 years ago decided which writings should be considered canon
>then 1000 years later, some random psychotic dark age nutcases decided they needed to set more rules not in those writings at ALL
Yeah, man, how dare some 'desert rats' make their own choices on what to follow? Goddamn, do you even know the history of your own religion?

>>90207560
Catholic Europe is declining. Orthodox Europe is growing. Plus everyone knows that the last legitimate pope was Pius XII so I don't know why you're so adamant about a bunch of heretics and schismatics.

>>90207555
>Working out missed classes with teachers.
Ruth didn't miss any classes until she was hospitalized. She had 2 days detoxing, including the second day when she didn't get out of bed, and they called the white coats on her.

>>90208138
I guess Walky was trying to commit suicide too. Section Walky. He missed way more classes than Ruth.

>>90208138
>>90208244
She still missed three days of classes for medical reasons.

>>90207555
>Say what you want about Jacques, but at least he's willing to introduce new areas and characters instead of forcing everything to happen in the same two or three environments.
You're right. Willis should suddenly have the cast compete in a robot death-battle arena to show how versatile he is with storytelling.

I get what you're trying to say, but throwing Handstab out as an alternative is not the way to go.

>>90208365
And I get your point, but let's be fair, a sudden turn into sci-fi would probably benefit here. It was bad with Jacques because he's built for slice-of-life, but Willis is actually half-decent when he's writing wacky sci-fi.

>>90208365
>have the cast compete in a robot death-battle arena to show how versatile he is with storytelling.

Amber and Carla team up to enter a Battle Bots-esque tournament but things get complicated when Amber finds out Danny and Ethan are one of the opposing teams. Done and done; where's my 5k in Patreon bucks?

>>90151776
That's fucking stupid and disgusting. Whores need to keep that shit private.

>>90208429
QC started out as a loser with a small robot companion.

>>90208429
>Willis is actually half-decent when he's writing wacky sci-fi
You're not wrong. There's a reason why It's Walky! is a solid staple of early webcomic discussions, while Roomies! is just a footnote.

If he did the same sudden turn he did with Roomies! to IW! right now with DoA, it might just blow my mind.

but he won't.

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>>90206481
I bet you that the next comic will have a joke shoehorned in.

>>90209180
So, like 99% of DoA's strips?

>>90208268
Pretty sure it was a weekend.

>>90209180
>>90209396
literally better than 1:10 odds

>>90207101
>>girl tries to kill herself

More like not making an effort to live

>>90206481
Why the hell is everyone in the dorm's hallway ? Don't these people have classes ? Do they live outside their rooms ?

>>90209464
She went in on Sunday, stayed in Monday and Tuesday and right now it's Wednesday morning.

>>90212259
Everyone rushes to the hallway for lesbian drama.

>>90213053
That's proved to be true so far.

>>90206481
Slut!
Slut!
Slut!

>>90207407
It's actually a pretty big weakness of how slow time works in this comic. If it had been after a long time of the same behaviour, with no one ever seeing Ruth and her starting to miss classes, it would make sense to go nuts and get her committed. One day of sleeping in right after a day of legitimately putting in effort to appear on the floor is way too soon to start calling her bedridden status the same as suicidal depression, despite anything she might've said. Because at that point it could just be a low day.

Hell, from what I've heard even in people with depression that they're coping with professionally have down days and it's not always the end. We're just supposed to take it on dramatic rules that she has hit rock bottom, but if you look at it in context it's not that dire.

She had a break up, she was heavily relying on her partner, she made a genuine effort to try and connect with people on the floor after moping, and the next day she only got as far as moping. But in a week's time without Billie, maybe she would've gone back up to her level of functionality pre-relationship. We might've been seeing the separation fallout that would eventually lead to her being *more* healthy, remembering that her and Billie's relationship is not positive.

But, instead, we're expected to feel bad that the girls' relationship failed above all else. We're supposed to think it's the most unfair, negative outcome and that it could only lead to tragedy, when in fact the relationship seems more likely to lead to an alcohol poisoning death.

>>90215846
The relationship is explicitly a slow alcoholism death as stated by Billie and Ruth, it's a goddamn suicide pact running in slow motion. If anything, the reason why Ruth was hospitalized was due to Carla making a scene in public. Basically someone with barely any information about the situation make shit public and the cops were called by someone on the floor who has even less information. It's pretty interesting that we don't know who reported Ruth, we know it's not Ruth, Carla, Billie, Dorothy, Dina, Walky, Becky, or Joyce. Assuming that it's not a case of Willis writing authority figures randomly showing up when the plot requires it, of course.

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>>90216667
Rachel contacted the Residence manager, and no cops have been involved.

>>90217441
>"Unnecessary, thank god. I've had to fix Ruth's door half a dozen times already this semester and maybe I should've investigate that."

Why does Willis like pointing out his own plot holes? Does he think it makes him seem witty or something?

>>90217546
If you acknowledge your flaws, they don't exist anymore! Everyone knows that!

>>90206481
>"suicidal" alcoholic goes away to rehab
boy that was quite a weekend

>>90217971
Don't forget that a lesbian broke into her own house!

>>90219413
and everybody's having gay sex 24/7

>>90206481
I just realized that Agatha (blonde girl), who is mormon, is wearing a really dowdy dress. Is this consistent? One of the few things Willis is good at is picking his characters' clothes (he probably looks at teen magazines or something) so this feels intentional.

Do mormons normally dress like 18th century farmers' daughters?

>>90219443
Only two people are having gay sex! The rest are having lesbian sex.

>>90219618
I don't know about consistent, but most Mormon women who are somewhat adherent tend to dress modestly in my experience.

>>90151989
Carla is cute

>>90221815
She also has the personality of a belt sander.

>>90222505
>Loud
>Annoying and grating in long exposure
>Slowly grinds down whatever it interacts with until nothing is left
>Requires attention to not fuck everything up
>Despite the above still needs frequent maintenance
It checks out.

>>90219618
Agatha remains one of the few characters I don't yet dislike.

>>90224010
The only likable DoA characters at this point are ones that either remind you too much of some asshole you actually like IRL, or ones that just don't have more than a half dozen speaking likes

>>90225169
The less they talk, the less ruined they can be.