Will the allies EVER win a major battle?

old blood'n'guts is on his way.

>>90115848
Lmao

>>90115848
If Uber was a standard cape comic than that would be a legitimate question.
But it's not. It's a horror comic. The good guys lose all the time in the horror genre.

>>90115848
when is the next chapter? avatar press site is a piece of shit

Line up for the storytime folks

>>90115848
No. A major flaw with the comic was having the Panzermensch not appear until '45. Yes, the spectacle of Berlin being saved by them was really cool, but it's forced the writers into a position where if Germany ever loses hard, they're fucked, because they're economically and militarily ruined and couldn't possibly recover from a major defeat, so that'd just be the end of the comic.

>>90121465
It killed their pacing though.
How many issues of build up for Churchill?
Just for a few pages of her mulching cannon fodder then getting completely wrecked.

>>90121465
but if they appeared before '45 the germans would have both ubers and conventional arms and the allies would have lost already

>>90124969
The story is about tanks being replaced entirely. You could just do the story with Tankmen leading the blitzkrieg.

The problem with the premise is they keep promising that it's not Nazi fan wank and the Germans will lose in the end, and also how they are stretched too thin and don't have resources and so on.

But the story doesn't do anything to imply the Germans are hurting in any way and every single build they do is wasted on one page summed up by "The Germans deployed a perfect counter attack"

>>90125157
>The story is about tanks being replaced entirely
Not just replaced, completely SURPASSED by tankmen
normal tank shells can't even take down tankmen.
if ubers led the charge with massed tank, infantry, naval, and aerial support from the beginning the allies would be fucked.

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Gillen posted page 1 of issue 5 in response to everyone being frustrated the allies lose again.
what think?

>>90127378
Allies won't win till one of the battleships is friggin dead

>>90115848
>This thread again
EVERY DAY UNTIL YOU LIKE IT

>>90115848
>Will the allies EVER win a major battle?

That's what the rest of Europe was asking in 1940 as well.

>>90115848
>Will the allies EVER win a major battle?
I have to admit it does give a lot more credit to the axis forces. They weren't exactly super tactical masterminds to begin with.

>>90127498
And they asked it until all the way to 1943

>1 billion comics where the good guys always win
>1 comic where the bad guys always win
>muh fan wank!
>how long they keep this going on?
Seriously?

>>90127378
i keep seeing germans suffer significant losses when it comes to non-battleships, but i never see it actually impact them.

you'd think with german infrastructure in ruins and civilian displacement and starvation being a problem, the germans would have trouble making significant numbers of even the standard tank-men, but they always seem to have the numbers anyway, so every Pyrrhic victory the germans have seems irrelevant to the actual story.

>>90127569
inorite?

i kinda want america to get completely rekt just to see them cry.

>>90127569
beyond that, critics of the comics still cannot grasp that nazi germany is a rotting corpse, there is zero chance of the nazi's winning anything, this is a comic about a prolonged pyrrhic victory by the allies

>>90127569
Methinks the critics are all special snowflakes who don't understand the context of the story.
They look at it with a surface level understanding and all they can see is Nazi's killing people.

>>90127835
which to be fair, nazi's were/are really good at killing people.

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>>90116717
then why are the nazis winning

KG has said repeatedly that the point of the story is make the nazi's scary again, and part of that is recreating the perspective people had at the time of the nazi's being invincible, even though their position is basically untenable in almost every way. after all, with their untapped population, the allies could literally throw thousands of tank men at the battle ships until they fall over, or take a beating until they outnumber the battleships 3 or 4 to 1. the book is just the period where the germans slowly lose their advantage and the economics take over. the whole reason they launched this 'invasion' of the USA is because the only possible hope they have of not getting steamrolled in less than a year is by turning the entire place into an economically and politically destroyed wasteland. it's idiotic, but so was the axis strategy in real life.

>>90115848
Butthurt murrican detected.

The Germans started with two major advantages that the allied forces haven't yet been able to neutralize: 3 Battleships and their super spies. The allies are 0/3 for their battleships: Colossus was half baked, Churchill a failure, and the Russian won't go offensive. On top of the Battleship superiority, they're way ahead on research from the spies. Until the allies bridge this gap, they're not going to be able to push back.

I'm pretty sure its going to come to a head with the US Battleships - notably they have one inexperienced and two 'crippled' battleships just like the Germans do. But will it end with the US battleships losing because they aren't fully activated, or is it going to be a close draw that forces the US to completely activate them? Everything so far points to the former, but the later would basically be the tipping point.

This issue was shit, and I really like Uber overall. Literally just a generic punch-up that should have taken up two pages at most.

The nazis(good guys) are winning? That's not the impression I had. The comic seemed pretty clear that regardless of the battleships winning named conflicts on the thousands of other minor battles the Germans(Heroes) are getting their shit pushed in.

>>90127569
Theres no reason to care if the villians always win. Readers need someone to root for, otherwise their interest is lost.

This could be circumvented if they had interesting villians who won in interesting ways, but the Nazi's are all on the verge of caricature and succeed through brute force.

>>90128996
that's elementary school plot advice. you don't always need a character to 'root' for. it just has to be interesting. anyone who needs something they can fully identify with, who is winning, is in the wrong place, obviously.

>>90127378

THE GERMANS STILL WIN THAT BATTLE

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>>90127979

>>90127378
Naugatuck, the battle the germans just won in issue 3? Where it was explicitly stated that the only losses the germans suffered was a handful of blitzmensch? Where after it was shown that the expeditionary force was ready to raze New York a few days after? That battle of Naugatuck?

>alternate history where the nazis won
yawn

Still waiting for the germans crippling lack of infrastructure, resources, and massive logistical difficulties to, you know, actually and VISIBLY hamper the germans ability to do whatever the fuck they want.

>>90129349
They do that constantly. It's always a huge deal just to get battleships where they need to be.

>>90129289
>judges books by the cover

>>90129254
there's no such thing as a 'handful' of blitzmensch. especially with no reinforcements and no supply lines. if the americans can destroy their transportation or just attrit the lower level forces, eventually Siegfried and Sigmund will be wandering around the continental usa alone, blowing shit up until fatigue makes their heads explode, which is possibly how this will end.

>placing your hopes and dreams into a few being able to win quickly against the man
Isn't this what fucked the Nazi in the first place? I.e. Barbarossa?

>>90129396
No. They *say* it's a problem and then immediately proceed to execute their plans perfectly like there's no problem at all. A whole lot of "telling", but no fucking "showing".

>>90129349
that was the whole reason for the second london blitz, or the great burn--they didn't have the resources to re-occupy or invade in force. all they can do is try to decapitate the government or turn entire allied countries into wastelands.

>>90129523
So just to be clear, how many fully illustrated pages of German Ubermensch waiting for a train would satisfy your autism?

>>90129629
Not him, but I'd want 88 pages.

http://kierongillen.tumblr.com/post/154286303892/dear-mr-gillen-ive-been-doing-a-read-through-of
>Put it like this: Uber is a “Nazi Germany gets the bomb first” story. Without a lot of luck and author intervention, that story immediately leads to The Man In The High Castle.

>It’s obviously narratively unsatisfying for an attack to just fail randomly due to shit weather, as true as that is throughout history.

>Germany in Uber is a glass cannon. I want to spend some time over there soon, just to show exactly how fucked Germany is in the story. After the obviously USA-centric start of Invasion, we’d do that, which should stress how utterly pyrrhic this all is. And, just as we’ve restarted the comic, we do have to restress its theme and mood, which is exactly what we’re doing.

>>90129748
>Imagine you were alive in WW2. On the ground. You can read the papers, but that’s all you know.
>At which point would you know the Nazis were going to lose? Up to which point would you think the Nazis were winning?
>With hindsight, we can easily point to places where “this is where Germany lost the war.” This is actually the one comforting thing about WW2. As bad as it was, the Allies won. You can even make an argument that Germany lost the war the second it started the war.
>This is not the experience our ancestors went through.
>I’d think that most of us would have thought the Axis powers were winning the war until Stalingrad. Historically we look at the 1942 offensives as a failure, and clearly could never have worked… but imagine what it felt like to look at it. At first glance, it seemed as invincible as those initial offensives earlier in the war, at least on the ground. The lessons of 1939-1942 would have told our ancestors: The Nazi empire is enormous! It’s crushing armies at seeming will. Obviously they’re winning..
>Imagine that despair. Imagine how much they wished the good guys could get a break. Imagine the horror when they didn’t.
>And imagine fighting anyway.
>At least in part, that’s what Uber tries to evoke.

tl;dr it's frustrating and unsatisfying right now, like WW2 pre-1944. it'll get better

Starting storytime now

>>90130128
Pls no

>>90130128
pls yes

>>90130128
godspeed

Just give me more of my wacky Ukranian waifu

>>90129430
Because wandering a foreign country alone was so dangerous for the female battleship that she left London without a scratch.

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>>90130128
>mfw when /co/mblr reads this issue

>>90129396
And yet, they never fail to get them there.

They keep insisting that the Germans can't win, but they keep showing how a single battleship is pretty much unstoppable to anything except a stronger battleship.
The Russian battleship is probably more interested in killing Stalin.
The three Americans are either being held back or mentally broken.

So I really don't see how the Germans can't be optimistic when they have two completely functional battleships and just crippled two allied governments.

We had an entire comic dedicated to showing off the Nazis brutal crushing victory over D.C. And Boston.

Nazi Fan Wank.

>>90127598
The problem of Germany at the ending days of the war was that their industrial capacity was in ruins.

The panzermen don't need too many equipment, just a large enough demographic pool.

1 person out of 5000 can be "uberized"... and despite the losses during the war, Germany still has millions of citizens.
Even if barely 15 years old, a boy becomes a formidable weapon once uberized.

So I guess that they are testing their whole population and conscripting like crazy.

>>90130770
eh, due to incompetence in british thinking.

>>90130128
c'mon, hurry it up bro.

>>90134280
Like an exhausted Battleship that can't use a halo being completely immune to battleship cannons and the entire naval blockade being completely smashed by the panzers that are more useful than the British heavies that slowed the battleship for a minute.

Or how the Germans expected Jew Hulk to be completely mobile when all the intel they had up to that point was that she couldn't even stand without breaking her legs.

>>90134461
>being completely immune to battleship cannons
She wasn't, they just never scored a direct hit
>the entire naval blockade being completely smashed by the panzers that are more useful than the British heavies that slowed the battleship for a minute.
It wasn't smashed by the panzers it was smashed by the blitz, the one with a 2 stacks in halo and 0 physical.
>Or how the Germans expected Jew Hulk to be completely mobile when all the intel they had up to that point was that she couldn't even stand without breaking her legs.
The German spied got caught slightly after Jew Hulks was tested and deemed ready for combat, so he had time to report back.

>>90134461
all they had to do was send premie jew hulk at her and she would have been to tired to do anything about it.

british pussies lost the war.

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>>90129254
>handful

As this anon said >>90129430, it's a matter of attrition.

The Germans are working blitzkrieg-style, using very destructive, very fast moving shock-and-awe tactics to win local battles.

This is great if you can defeat your enemy fast but the Allies can afford to play attrition here.

They lost 300 tankmen, which is basically the draft in a pool of 1500000 people.
The USA back then had a hundred time that many people.
Raising another 300 tankmen might take some time but if the battleships are ready by then, the Germans are fucked.

>>90134700
Or saved the tankmen and heavy tankmen rush until she was drained.
Or since she was heading to the water assume that she had an escape vessel and try and damage it to prevent her from returning.

Like anything other than complete failure on the allies part.

If this was about a poker tournament we'd have to watch one player fold maybe three hands but pull royal flushes out constantly aside from that.
All the high risk gambles they have never result in them losing anything. Thats when it stops being a gamble and starts being bullshit.

>>90135009
Except the main reason why all 300 of the tank men were so decimated by the German counter was because of two battleships supporting each other.

Who are now standing side by side outside New York and ready to punch the US economy in the dick.

But now the US is down 300 tankmen for a possible defense.

Also the page said "limited success"
So take that as a sign that it had minimal impact.

>>90135009
With the speed with which Siegfried, Siegmund and their support can move and raze a city, that month is pretty all they need to level everything of worth on the eastern seabord.

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I don't recall Battleship Zero being quite this ugly.

>>90115848
I know American education sucks and all but Russia was technically one of the allies back during WWII.
Or in other words, they've already won a major battle.

>>90135911
Katyusha won a major battle. Big difference.

>>90136169
Two major battles then

>>90136204
Kursk resulted in a retreat. Russians had insane loses and the battleship is still fully effective even with one arm.

The second Russian victory is a complete fluke because of their magical school girl battleship rather than any effort on their part.

Also Russia is sitting on an undefended German line but can't do shit. The Germans are so secure that they can move all three battleships to deal with the Brits and Americans.
So yeah. Victory.

>>90136204
Second Battle of Kursk was purely symbolic. 81 tankmen for one battleship arm was a fairly shitty trade, especially since Siegmund was still, like, 95% combat effcient. At least Katyusha's victory over Sieglinde basically reduced the latter to a gloryfied Halo cruiser.

>>90136512
>81 tankmen
not to mention the tens of thousands they sacrificed to get those 81 tankmen

>>90135243
a lot of the devastation of their initial attack came from being in stolen planes, which gave them unlimited line of sight. Now that they've lost that initial surprise and advantage, and they have nowhere to retreat to, the Americans can just run them down with conventional forces until they're too exhausted to fight back. Or, more likely until the three american battleships can finish them off. obviously something will go wrong, and/or Hideki will show up on the west coast, but the logic is sound.

>>90136742
Those men had already been assigned to a penal battalion. They were already dead, the only question was how Stalin wanted it to happen.

>>90136388
Russia scored a mobility kill thanks to best girl that is a huge victory because it means Siegfried can only be deployed as a glorified artillery/AA nest. That is a huge accomplishment in and of itself. the only reason nothing is coming from this is because the Allied spy network is currently sitting thumbs up asses full time.

>>90136512
Kursk 2 was a fact finding success.

>>90115848
When the black guy gets juiced up I suspect...

>>90136900
>Siegfried can only be deployed as a glorified artillery/AA nest
You make it sound like she didn't raze the British coast to the ground from her invincible towers

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>>90137125
that is exactly what a proper artillery nest does and the towers aren't invincible and require a support group that is larger and more capable. Best girl has given the allies a huge victory because mobility kills are a thing and despite the fact the allies don't know it they are only facing 2 german battle ships at full operational capacity, who are currently engaged, and Nazi Europe is waiting in the assumed position for McArthur and his band of marry men since Siegfried is literally crippled.

>>90127835
>>90127964
The problem with that is that you guys have to be completely neglecting the criticisms in this thread. Most of which specify in great detail, and with accurate historical vision, why the position of Germany had become untenable and how there is really no believable way that they could continue to fight on even with the Panzermensch. In fact their is no reason to suggest that the Americans wouldn't have turned Berlin into a smouldering wasteland of Atomic death.

>>90128611
>the book is just the period where the germans slowly lose their advantage and the economics take over.
The economics took over by 1943 senpai, and 1944 at the latest.

>>90136900
>>90137503
>Siegfried

Sieglinde. Siegfried is over in the US.

>>90133762
you cant possibly be this stupid, it isnt possible, you're doing a meme arent you?

>>90137753
whatever, the point still stands significant victory that leads to a major breakthrough as soon as allied intel decides to unfuck themselves.

>>90137503
One battleship is physically crippled.
Still manages to lead the complete devastation of Britain with some support.
Their opposition was the Brits, who had the second most advanced knowledge on ubers.
They had a secret fully functioning heavy battleship, since the Germans last intel was that she couldn't move.

The entire counter attack from the brits failed completely. Mostly thanks to a single crippled battleship.

>>90137821
How is anything I said wrong? Not even direct artillery fire and naval cannons can hurt a battleship, even when exhausted.
Having one loyal battleship when nobody else has any is the same as being unstoppable.
Their two functioning battleships just destroyed Washington D.C. after the crippled one leveled Britain.
They are now moving on to New York after destroying almost the entire 300 man unit sent to destroy them, without taking any major losses (i.e. battleship damage).

Please explain how German will be unable to support two battleships and maintain a military advantage against countries that are being systematically crippled politically and economically.

Are you going to quote where the writers swear they aren't going to let the Germans win?
That at the very last issue the Germans will all just die on the last panel, which means the allies will still win and weren't getting their shit pushed in the entire fucking time?
>German spies completely destroy the Manhattan project and give a functioning bomb to the Japanese
>British spy lady gets two battleships fucking mutilated
Nazi
Fan
Wank

>>90138344
>Not even direct artillery fire and naval cannons can hurt a battleship, even when exhausted.

They never got a direct hit off her iirc, just bombarded the area she was in.

>>90138344
>Nazi Fan Wank

So was all of WW2 up till 1942-3.

I want a modern era Uber story. Reusable Uber suicide bombers would be cool for instance.

Though conventional doctrine would probably be very different with Ubers on the battlefield. Heavy armored vehicles such as tanks would most likely not be very prevalent. There'd be a larger focus on air power, which would be the only reliable to way to kill Ubers without getting killed yourself.

>>90138639
last issue mentioned how the artillery and naval cannons had no effect on the other two battleships but just uncovered their bunker.

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>>90138344
>*stamps feet*
>I want the nazis to lose NOW!
>NOW NOW NOW NOW
> I want them to lose RIGHT NOW!!

A few points about this issue.

After losing the Battle of Naga-whatsit, the US actually offered terms to the Germans. Hitler/Goebbels refused after saying that the US is the big, ultimate threat to the Germany.

Those 300 or so tankmen that the U.S. lost can't be all of their Uber force -- they have some stationed in Europe and the Pacific.

The logistical situation in Germany is so bad that even Hitler/Goebbels is complaining about the food. That seems to be the only mention of Germany's crippling situation we've had in multiple comics.

The Germans are worried about that extra nuke the US still has lying around. With the Germans turning this into a war of extermination, at some point the US is going to just nuke the German invasion force.

You know, the Japanese are still out there. Haven't heard much from them lately.

Germany itself is actually quite vulnerable. If Patton were to get aggressive...

>>90138344
>Their opposition was the Brits, who had the second most advanced knowledge on ubers.

What they did not have was time.
They point it out, actually spell it out, when the scientist bitch makes her report to Churchill, that making Ubers is akin to fermentation, as in it can not be rushed.

The brits tried rushing it, and lost Colossus because of that. They lost because they were idiots.

>Please explain how German will be unable to support two battleships and maintain a military advantage against countries that are being systematically crippled politically and economically.

They are crippling countries exactly because they will be unable to maintain their advantage; all that the other sides need to catch up and beat the Nazis is time. That's why they are scorching the earth as fast as possible.

But they won't be able to break USA and the Soviet Union, those places are just way too fucking big to level a city at a time.

>>90138784
There's no way she's going to let Patton win anything.

If he tries he'll do well for a couple issues then get his shit kicked in out of nowhere by something.

>>90138784
uberhitler isnt complaining about the food because of shortages, it's because he has to eat that glucose paste

>>90138639
She very was fatigued at that point though, which leads to lowered abilities both on Physical and Halo enhancements, so they shouldn't have needed a direct hit at that point to inflict damage to her.

>>90138861
uberhitler is not an uber.

>>90138834
Rommel turned a new experimental technology (tanks) into a war-winning force that conquered France in a few weeks. Patton completely owned Rommel at his own game in north Africa.

Tankmen or the exactly same type of game-changing military assets, and Germany doesn't have anyone the caliber of Rommel anymore. So there's a good chance that Patton could do game changing tactics.

>>90138861
Hitler isn't an uber.

>>90138344
"Mobility Kill" look it up you nigger. the significance is that she can no longer be rapidly deployed, this means if the allied high command can ever get a tab on her she is a non factor because they can move outmaneuver her if Patton every gets winds of how germany is protected by a non-moblie battleship he will have a field day in europe.

>>90138964
I'm not talking about Patton's actual capabilities, i'm talking about the narrative.

>>90138770
There is a difference between wanting to see the Nazis just straight up lose and wanting to see them stop steamrolling every enemy they face and effortlessly counter every single weapon brought against them.

Count how many issues they had showing the build up of Jew Hulk just to have her get incapacitated in one page.

Are you going to say this is great story telling and pacing?
When right before Jew Hulk there was the a Battleship dropped right on London that just walked away without a scratch?
And before that building up Colossus?

That the biggest Ally victory was a complete miracle from the Russians getting a super halo stacked battleship despite not knowing how to make anything besides standard tankmen?

>>90130770
Compare England and the U.S. on a map for scale

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>>90139009
If only there were ways to deploy ubers with negligible mobility or Physical enhancement...

>>90139009
>she can no longer be rapidly deployed
Compared to what? She was able to erect those towers in a night.
Despite her being immobilized she still was able to cripple the fastest land moving Uber to date.

She isn't able to be used as a front line battleship like the other two anymore. But she still was leading the front line of the burning of Britain.

How did her being physically injured prevent her from being utilized or deployed as fast as any of the halo stacked ubers?

>>90135729
Last issue was #3, so I guess we'll be seeing that ugly motherfucker soon. Who knows what he's up to in his tunnels. It sure would suck if he broke out and started killing germans everywhere around him.

Or, more likely, fakeHitler will order that Batlleship Zero be brought out for an offensive against Russia, like Barbarossa with superhumans this time. It backfires and the Germans have to divert precious ubers to handle their rogue creation while Patton ravages them in France. With Shankt gone and Stephanie split there's no one who'd really stand in Adolfs way if he were to order that Zero be used. After all they're winning, so why not secure their victory by every possible means?

>>90139216
Was she able to escape after landing in the middle of London and encountering a naval blockade?
Yes or no

>>90129792
> tl;dr it's frustrating and unsatisfying right now, like WW2 pre-1944. it'll get better
People have been saying that for literally years now, and it hasn't come true. At this point I've kind of just started drifting away. It's just become so stale and same-y.

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>>90138784
>You know, the Japanese are still out there. Haven't heard much from them lately.

They'll pop up soon enough.

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>>90135729
Being set on fire probably isn't all that good for your complexion.

>>90139413
I feel the same, and I swear the author seems to be making the comic that way intentionally

>>90116717
>The good guys lose all the time in the horror genre.
I just wish they didn't have to make their loses so contrived and feel like total asspulls.

>>90139487
Well, Gillen has said that Über isn't a story that's intended to be 'enjoyed'.

>>90139577
Okay, so he's intentionally writing a boring story. I guess in that case I might as well just drop it, because if this is intentional then it means probably it won't change any time soon.

>>90139577
>Make a comic about world war two, but with Supermen
>Intentionally make it unenjoyable
I may have let my expectations get the better of me, but you have to understand what kinds of reasons people will read your comic

>>90139535
Given his choice of when the story started, there really isn't much someone can do but use asspulls. By making the story kick off literally moments before Hitler shoots himself, it means you're dealing with a point where the German state basically doesn't exist anymore and the Wehrmact is just racing west to surrender to the western allies before the Soviets run them down.

If it had started, say, during the Ardennes Offensive it would have been a bit less reliant on asspulls. By April of 45 there really wasn't anything left. Some time in 44 would have worked better.

>>90139458
> Japan launches an invasion of the west coast
Oh goodie. More of the same.

>>90139843
Don't you want some nipponu fistu forded 10000000 times?

>>90139776
I really have to agree with that. It's a big unforced error by Gillen.

>>90139843
Jesus if you're ass is so annihilated by this comic why the fuck are you reading it? I dont read Yass Queen nor do I go into the storytime and bellyache about how much I hate it, get a grip dude.

>>90139927
At this point I was basically only reading occasionally out of inertia. But since the feeling of boredom is apparently intentional and unlikely to change, I probably will just stop now.

>>90127598
>but i never see it actually impact them.
Its the reason why they can't just GG push to London, and why they spend the entire of part 1 doing that.
Or why Belgia/Netherlands disappears from map, in like 2 pages of the Great Burn Arc.

>>90139321
>>90139245

I don't know how to explain it in a simpler way but what made battleships so dangerous was the fact that they could rapidly deploy unnoticed, level everything in their vision and easily outpace anything that had the possibility to give pursuit. Sieglinde can no longer do that. Sieglinde is still an amazing asset by her nature of being a 12 stack halo but she lost her mobility and is actually prone to ambushes, if the allies went for kursk 4 Sieglinde is dead. Sieglinde is no longer a conventional tankman she is an artilleryman If you played F
E:PoR think of a battleship as a Bolt mage with canto and max move, Sieglinde no longer has canto or max move. I can't think of a simpler way to explain Sieglinde's condition now as a battlefield unit and how her impact is significantly lessened because of it.

>>90136766
The Americans don't have three battleships. They'd rather go extinct than raise black people to battleship status.

>>90140186

classic Americans!

god we suck

>>90140117
Except they are doing a GG push in the US. They'll probably be able to destroy most of the country, with the remainder being destroyed by Japan's invasion.

>At least one Japanese battleship
>2 fully functional German battleships
>Handful of blitzmensch and others

vs

>1 extremely uncombat ready US Battleship and 2 half strengths
>Possibly a legless British heavy tank battleship
>1 Atom Bomb

What could possibly go wrong?

>>90140211
Gotta keep the story going somehow. It may not be a cape comic, but status quo is still god.

>>90139577
Well of course not. You don't enjoy a horror story. You get disturbed and creeped out by them.

>>90140276
Gore gets old after a while though. It loses its shock value, like a movie that puts too many jump scares at the start, but continues to rely on them all the way through to the end. You need either build up or variety to keep interest up.

>>90140180
Strap that riding harness on a 8:4 or 10:2 cruiser and put Sieglinde in it, and she can still be deployed and maneuvered effectively in combat.

>>90140241
Japan don't have battleships
German never gave them the information or technology

There was some panels that one Japanese complains everything went to shit when his uber test exploded, meaning he had battleship potential, but he was activated as a v2, those panels were just before be died.

i doubt japan has someone else with battleship be potential

>>90140180
>they could rapidly deploy unnoticed
literally made a giant tower over night on the enemy front line

>she lost her mobility and is actually prone to ambushes
Then she crippled the heavy battleship that was sent to ambush her, when the Germans didn't even know the heavy battleship could move

> if the allies went for kursk 4 Sieglinde is dead
except that nothing outside of battleship class halo powers can hurt her and when given halo support they managed to completely counter the Kursk style rush

>her impact is significantly lessened
She burned Britain and made them surrender when the other two battleships were moving to the US. She disabled the only other active battleship that was stacked to try and counter conventional battleships. Physical stack is so useless compared to halo stacks in this setting which is why a crippled battleship was able to beat Jew Hulk and why the conventional battleship lost to the Russian battleship with nothing but halo stacks.

If you go straight up halo stacks you get the unstoppable Russian battleship.
If you go straight physical you get something that can't even move.
If you go halo you can make fortifications and bombard enemies from a distance.
If you go physical you can't fucking catch something that moves a quarter of your sprint speed.

Physical is bad because it had to be so that the Nazis could curb stomp the Brits.

>>90140503
Hiro is still alive faggot.
He got orders to swim home.

>>90140503
Japan does have a battleship. They pulled him off the front via submarine to fully upgrade him.

>>90140503
The Japanese guy with the potential never died, he's on a sub heading to America, though there's no indication he was going to be fully activated

>>90140211
>>90140257
Funny thing how the President was about to change the orders to fully activate the negroes just before the germans blow up the white house with him inside

>>90140531
Sieglinde never fought Jew Hulk, it was two cruisers disguised as battleships that crippled her

What I really dont get is why they deployed Guederian into the front lines of America.

Like.... he seems a bit too important a person for a task like this.

>>90140503

The battleship positive guy survived and was given orders to return home as soon as possible. We never hear from him again but well... I guess it would be silly not to expect a Japanese Battleship at this point.

Im sorta slogging through just to see it all end. What would be more interesting to me is an Über: Cold War version.

MacArthur's forces being pushed out the Yalu river by hordes of level 1 Chinese tankmen.

Imagine if Che was an über running rampage over africa and south america while being chased by CIA Über death squads.

American marines halooing villages in Vietnam.

Russian Übers fighting against Afghan suicide übers.

The Russians stationed a Maria level super sniper onto Cuba and Kennedy needs to decide how best to deal with this scenario.

What if one of the black cruiser übers joins the black panthers? Or a white one joins the KKK?

Possibilities are endless.

>>90140734
The Americans are basically done though, so they won't be one of the halves of Cold War: Uber Edition.

>>90140734
I don't think it'll go this far. Full on apocalypse is much more likely.

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>garbage MURRIKA fanwank where they build up the opposition that the miraculously loses in the end

It was fun at first, now I want this kike garbage to hurry up and end.

>>90140799

I mean, Europe is even more ruined than at the end of 1945.

America so far has lost one city. Even if they lose 2 or 3, they would still be the prime global super power.

In any case, lets see how far this goes.

>>90140799
>>90140804

Whoever left the Uber making red shit is gonna come back and be PISSSSSSSSSSED

it just comes down to how many people are on earth when that happens.

>>90140848
About 10 Ubers and I'm generous here.

>>90140841
As shown with the burn, battleships can destroy countries fairly quickly and thus far only the Soviets have been able to stall German battleships, never mind beat them. Can't really be a superpower if you have no people or infrastructure.

>>90139927
Because it's bad history. I mean they're attacking the continental United States for fuck's sake! It's the same wankery that bigs the Axis up to be Satan instead of the bunch of mid-tier empires that got a few lucky breaks at the start of the war and then ran headlong into basic economics that existed in real life which we see all the time.
I bet you think Operation Sealion was a hair's breadth from succeeding too.

>>90140841
> I mean, Europe is even more ruined than at the end of 1945.
Not really. The allied portions are, but Germany is still in good shape economically.

>>90140538

Thought Hideki left in a sub to parts unknown.

He's still a wild card, and it'll be a huge "fuck you" to the US if Japan somehow managed to get its hands on information on how to make a battleship from some "somewhere". The US is already getting its east coast facefucked by two German battleships and have no idea if a potential Yamato is going to tear it a new asshole on the west coast.

>>90141026

>Germany is still in good shape economically

wat? the entire thing is Germany is fucked and bringing everyone else with them

>>90141026

1945 Germany was in a completely ruined state.

Even Hitler 1 admitted so much to Speers

>>90140616
I think that proves my point even more.
>Too much halo stacking gives you a red stuff producing super battleship
>Too much halo stacking and your legs will rip themselves off

>>90141110
Not really, they're stabilized now.

>>90141071

Well how the fuck did the germans get someone to carry the formula all the way to Japan in the first place?

And one with I presume perfect Japanese?

>>90141162

Dunkirk was the perfect "physical" tankman mix. So quick even Blitzmensch cant track em and can rip regular tankmen to shreds. Could even throw a Juggernaut right into the English Channel and only died to save the Battleship.

All bets from my side is that they perfected HMS Churchill to be faster rather than BIG HUGE

>>90141236
Dunkirk was a 5:1 so in theory 20:4 would be the right battleship mix

>>90139105
All the issues building up jew hulk basically stated that it was a fucking stupid idea, and that they are going with it because it was all they had.

>>90141530
the problem was that they thought that 24 physical was double than the 12 the german had, but thats not true, while not being exponential, the effects are much more

if they had gone with something more humble like a 20:4 or 18:6 they would have had a much better result

>>90141761
At least with 18/6 they might have had someone comparable to a cruiser or something. With 23/1 the jew hulk couldn't even handle middleweight ships.

>>90141851
i think cruisers are 6:6 or 10:2

a 18:6 would wipe cruisers in her breakfast

>>90141467
That's probably not how it works in practice though, since jew hulk was unusable well before getting up to 23 physical.

>>90141761
>>90141467
>>90141851


Wasnt Jew Hulk missing a final dosage or something? Maybe the last dosage is an asspull that makes her into a super powerful wrecking ball.

Also could someone explain the dosages again?

1:1 is normal tankman
3:1 is Heavy Tankman
1:3 is Blitz?

What are the cruisers and destroyers like? Or there versions of each forr the punch punch and the pew pew versions?

>>90141924
Starting out with halos would've probably balanced that out

>>90141914
Considering that physical doesn't seem to count for much, an 18/6 battleship is probably only somewhat superior to a 6/6 or 4/8 cruiser.

>>90141951

Her last dosage was for halo, which stopped her from becoming an immobile mass of muscle tissue.

>>90141951
Jew hulk got all her doses, they just switched the last one for halo instead of physical like they originally planned. She was 23:1 when she was deployed.

1:1 = Tankman
2:0 = Heavy Tankman
0:2 = Blitzmen
Destroyers have 6 total
Cruisers have 12
Heavy Cruisers have 18
Battleships have 24

>>90142005
i don't really remember, but it took the german 4:8 cruisers 1 hour of continuous halo attack to break her knees, and the knees had bee. shaved so she could move

the physical factors defence too

>>90142109
Yeah, it took a while, but they did bring her down. Physical just can't compete with halo. An 18/6 is certainly better than a 23/1, so it probably won't be outright worse than a 4/8 like a 23/1 is, but it won't necessarily be hugely better.

>>90142005

Dunkirk, a 5:1 destroyer was able to keep up with what appeared to be cruiser levels with ease until he had to sacrifice himself.

>>90142090
Heavy cruisers are an artificial class though. It's just battleships missing 6 activations.

>>90142207
Physical doesn't scale up like halo does. Going mostly or even pure physical seems to work at low levels, but we haven't seen anything good come from pushing it past 12. Heavy tankmen are 2/0 and while not great they can at least move, but 24/0 would have been worthless.

>>90142191
man a 2:0 can rip a 1:1 barehanded

a 18:6 or 20:4 would be extremely fast since they would be battleship sized but much stronger (ratio proven by dunkirk being tank man sized super strong and fast)

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How hard is it going to suck to be German once the tide turns?

>>90142207
Because the cruisers had one physical stack less than him.

>>90142232
True, but it's still one that the allies seem to want to produce, so it still bears mentioning.

>Heavies meant to counter Normal tankmen
>Blitz meant to shred heavies
>Normies can counter Blitz

In comic reality, Blitz can easily wipe out squads of tankmen and heavies serve no real purpose outside protecting Blitzmensch. Since they arent particularily fast and theres enough time for a blitz to melt them down.

>>90142350
It won't. The story will end with Germany and Japan in a cold war against each other once they no longer have the allies to force them to cooperate.

>>90142350
So, if the Great Burn torched and glassed everything between the german border and Calais, Belgium and Holland have basically ceased to exist nations, yes?

>>90140531
>She burned Britain and made them surrender when the other two battleships were moving to the US.

That was the combined effort of her and the rest of the boom-boom stacked ubers, and they only burned the stuff close to the shore (that they could see).

>>90142465
Correct.

>>90142481
They were moving north towards London.

We know turing and that smug cunt just arrived in the states

Patton is alive as far as we know

what other ranking allied leaders are out there? that we know of? I feel like all the allied command in western europe is dead but i could be misremembering

>>90141200
stabilizing a bunch of ruins in a wasteland doesn't make it less of a wasteland.

>>90142545

MacArthur and Nimitz in the pacific

>>90142346
It really depends when the physical stacks get to the point of crippling the person. HMS Churchill was barely able to move well before getting to 23 physical, so 20 physical is likely just too slow to keep up with a more balanced or halo focused ship. Where exactly physical stops giving more speed and starts just slowing you down because you're a bloated monstrosity is unclear, but it isn't at 23. It happens well before that. 18 physical might not be any faster than 6 physical.

>>90141851
>With 23/1 the jew hulk couldn't even handle middleweight ships.

That's because they had better support, and were combat trained fighters. Jew Hulk peed herself when she was on a plane.

If she could've gotten her hand on the cruisers, she would've crushed them just by closing her hands. The thing was that they had constant support, there were 2 of them, and they had better training. They could dodge her fine for the hour it took for constant nonstop halo fire to rupture a single artery in the jew hulks leg.

If it was 1 on 1, she could've just do the Juggernaut Headcrush hyper x move, and if it misses, do it again. That's what she did to turn normal tankmen to paste a few pages before.

>>90142465
I suppose Denmark and Norway are sorta lucky, in that Allies didn't manage to liberate them before the Burn was initiated.

>>90142712
the halo effect counteract the muscle growth, that was why dunkirk had more physical stacks but was smaller than a 2:0

if you take account that dunkirk was 5:1 so the optimal battleship setup would be 20:4

>>90139458
this is even more retarded than the German invasion.

99.9% of their navy and airforce was a wreck at the bottom of the ocean by this point in the war.

are they going launch an invasion with the one submarine they still had left?

>>90142727
There's no reason to think she would have been able to lay a hand on them. Physical's diminishing returns are just too severe. Sure, she could crush normal tankmen, but heavy tankmen can do that too and they're not even very good themselves.

>>90142514
>They were moving north towards London.

"towards London" is a pretty arbitrary measurement that could mean anything between 1-50 miles.

>>90142856
They have a battleship and way more tankmen than the US. They can deploy them by sub and just start burning. It's not really an invasion, just complete annihilation. It solves the whole problem of them not being able to hold ground, just leave no ground to hold.

>>90142712
The timing of the activations may also be a factor. Maybe she would've been fine if they did 11 physical, then a halo, then 13 physical. If the halo balances it out, then she might have been way too far in the muscle growth for a 24th halo activation to undo/fix it all.

The Allies will win as soon as the US uberizes a black guy probably

>>90142796
Wasn't germany basically sucking norway and denmark's entire agricultural surplus dry to keep itself fed by 44 though?

>>90142856
Logistics are easy when you just ignore they exist.

But then the series would end. Which at this rate, I just hope happens sooner than later, Gillen has run out of bs to stuff this series out.

>>90141236
>>90141467
Dunkirk was too based for this comic.

>>90142979
Might happen, given Gillen's socio-politics.

>>90142727
>Jew Hulk peed herself when she was on a plane.
She had a phobia of planes.
She was able to jump really far before hand to get her and the scientist to relocate.

Sieglinde was a civilian before she got the Uber treatment and decided to fight for pretty much the same reasons as Jew Hulk.

It's still the same problem though. A physical stacked battleship couldn't match cruisers to the point where she couldn't even get a single hand on them. Her only accomplishment was that she could just charge through standard tankmen, panzers, and heavies.

Basically the Germans were able to effortlessly beat the Brits because they tossed one Battleship into the grinder for them, and the second was given a stack ratio that turned out to be horrible just so the Nazis could beat her easily.

That one guy was right. Jew Hulk would have been better dying in the fall so they could make armor for Dunkirk.

Spain must be shitting itself so damn hard

>>90142976
Must start with halo, since halo can shape flesh

>>90142856
>this is even more retarded than the German invasion.

That wasn't that retarded, the Nazis had submarines working fine up till the end of the war. There was that one experimental sub that approached an allied ship completely undetected in 1945, and the only reason they did not attack was because they knew the war was already over, but they wanted to test their ship.

>>90142883
Close enough to make whatever was left of parliament shit itself.

>>90143188
Jewhulk was given no combat training at all. Sieg was at least tossed in to a 1v1 scenario with a tankman before being fielded.
That one guy is also one of the reasons jew hulk was given 20+ physical activation's because it looked so good on paper.

>>90143993
She was put into a locked room with a severely under activated prisoner that couldn't hurt her after he hit her with everything he had.
I wouldn't call that combat training.

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>>90144182
it's more training than how to throw tanks and go fast 101. And lets not forget that this glorious man waited and trained his men until they were battle ready and could make a strategic difference instead of rushing them out to the field asap like the brits.

>>90143010
Norwiegans and danes were better fed and suffered fewer rationing restrictions than the vast majority of germans even until the very end of the war. I mean seriously, when you nickname an occupied territory "the whipped cream front" you know you have it easy.

entire armies of super powered Edward Elrics and the fight scenes still look like shit.

Think the americans are ever going to activate Razor's 4 sisters?

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>>90145187
That's because Daniel Gete is a garbage hack. Canaan White, the original artist (who, despite the KKK-style name, is actually a black dude) quit for some mysterious reason.

>>90143543
Don't forget about the V-Million peroxide-fueled class. One was found off the Philippine coast in the mid-90s, full of Nazi gold. A bunch of Germans in the pacific.

>>90127569
If the bad guys were winning by not having ass pulls and the allies derping like that stupid 300 tank rush then it would be more tolerable. Stalins tank rush was because he was a fucking evil fuck who threw uncountable away for 100 tankmen. USA really should have gone "Uh..well they have 2 Battleships and one survived so they are probably ready for this kind of attack again. So lets try something else or wait a bit longer for the battleshipa nd cruisers to power up'

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Gabriel Andrade did some fairly competent art too.

>>90128611
Hitler-Clone stated he wants all of america crushed flat, not just unable to keep fighting across the ocean. I reckon japBattleship surfaces on the West coast and this forces america's surrender

>>90128800
One Battleship who pukes at the sight of a corpse and two cruisers(cruisers, correct?) Both cruisers seem to have battle experiance so they could have the potential to pull a win

>>90142979
Of course they will. the US has a tactical advantage on everything but battleships. Since they only have one white guy to be a battleship them having a second or third one would actually make things an even or better fight assuming they have proper training.
You might as well say water is wet.

>>90145996
The US just doesn't have the manpower to repel the Germans, its leadership has been completely gutted, and battleships are roaming around freely destroying all its infrastructure and population. Even if they manage to repel the German battleships (plus the Japanese battleship attacking from the west), they're guaranteed to not be able to actually kill an Axis battleship, whereas they will probably lose one of their own due to the intentionally limited activation.

And even if they were able to kill one of the German battleships, the Germans will be able to come up with more.

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>>90146946
>The US just doesn't have the manpower
Nigga what the fuck are you smoking

>>90145996
Heavy cruisers. They got 18 activations instead of the 24 that they could have gotten. Real cruisers have 12 activations.

>>90147062
The US has way fewer of every single class. Instead of three battleships, they only have one and a pair of heavy cruisers. They have basically nothing in terms of middleweight ships aside from those heavy cruisers, whereas the Germans have been rolling out cruisers. Aside from that their standard tankmen are completely ineffective. Germany, on the other hand, has been on the offense the whole time with their panzer/blitzmen who are flat out superior and the Germans have shown zero signs of running low.

>>90147062
Battleships can only be countered with battleships.
The US has three half activated ones, and two of those will never be fully activated.
It's conventional tankmen forces are spread across three different fronts. Europe, East Coast, and Pacific theater.
It's about to be four fronts.

>>90143158
How many more arcs are there?

>>90147439
supposed to be 60 issues total. were on issue 30 counting the 1 zero, 1 special and 1 recap issue so maybe 3-4 maybe 5.

>>90129748
>Put it like this: Uber is a “Nazi Germany gets the bomb first” story. Without a lot of luck and author intervention, that story immediately leads to The Man In The High Castle.
Bullcrap.
Developing bomb more and producing them could take alot of time and reasorces (what were needed to other things or were lacking more and more). There is issue with delivering nukes, at best it would end up overrated V1 and V2 few times, only hurting UK. But Allies would most likely be more ruthless with bombing because of that.
Even if somehow they manage to use it alot and make Allies to make peace it would hardly be surrener, even UK.
You could ocupy UK and parts of Russia if you manage secure total capitulation but USA would be out of reach with lack of manpower and reasorces.

If nukes were war winning magic button Americans would use it on Soviet Union to beat soon after and it iddn't happen.

>>90147293
Incorrect, they can only be evenly countered with battleships. The naval comparison is apt. A destroyer wasn't going to destroy a battleship, they simply didn't have the armor to withstand the battleship's weaponry for long enough to do any appreciable damage. However, in a pack even destroyers could kill a battleship as the battleship's mobility would be compromised and it'd be forced to split its fire while taking damage from multiple points.

So are we likely to see a far more powerful USSR post-war here than in reality? Since Europe is even more fucked than before, Britain is going down, and the US is actually taking damage (though as long as the heartlands aren't hit actual military and manufacturing abilities shouldn't be severely impacted).

The only way this ends anywhere near how it did in reality is if Patton runs fucking wild and manages to eat up enough territory to stop the Russians from just running over everything after the war.

Also, we haven't seen much of anything in the Eastern theater, but how fucked is China right now? Japan's gotta have them over a barrel at this point, with Ubers running roughshod over their territory.

>>90148194
We haven't seen all that many Destroyers or Cruisers though.

10-15 Cruisers or 20-25 Destroyers (maybe a little less) would probably have a good shot against a Battleship, but there's no indication they've got that many of those classes.

>>90148485
This is depressingly accurate.

>>90145621
>Don't forget about the V-Million peroxide-fueled class. One was found off the Philippine coast in the mid-90s, full of Nazi gold. A bunch of Germans in the pacific.

Any source on that? If you mean the XVIIs, they never made it that far.

>>90147625
I'm guessing America gets dusted and the remaining issues are the new uber societies going at it.

>>90148269
I think american ubers are in japan right now and really did a number on them

>>90148269
In Uber, WW2 consists entirely of the the northern half of the Western Front, the center of the Eastern Front, Okinawa, London, and the eastern US seaboard. Logically at this point Japan should have been running Ubers against the Chinese and the Soviets, the minor Axis nations should have been retaken from the Soviets, Italy retaken, Spain allying with Germany, and the Nazis having functional domination over the Mediterranean, Middle East, and North Africa.

>>90148269
The USSR has lost something like what a million more men, on top of the already horrendous casualties of our WW2. They had a large population but even they can't sustain those types of losses indefinitely.

Still I imagine that Europe, save perhaps for neutral countries like Spain, Portugal and Sweden, is going to be a whole lot poorer compared to our history. Not just because of the Great Burn, but any Marshall Plan will the Americans will produce is going to focus first on rebuilding the homefront.

>>90148736
I don't think it's likely Japan has the resources at the moment to mount any sort of serious offensive against the Soviets, since they're likely focused on retaining their territory in China and Korea, and trying to secure sources of oil again as fast as they can. It would be cool to see the Chinese trying to figure out new tactics against the Japanese Ubers without any of their own, (since I doubt anyone has the time to provide them with catalyst)

>>90148736
>>90148853

Sorry, meant for >>90148710

>>90148324
>>90148194
>>90147293
>Battleships must defeat battleships

This only applies if they're German. The one anit-Battleship Battleship with max speed and strength got fucked over by two destroyers kiting her around like a big stupid Darksouls boss for AN HOUR.

>>90148485
>>90148557
Someone send this to Kieron, I want to see how he responds.

>>90148670
Probably. I wonder if people will still cry "No no no you don't understand this is about everyone losing, not the Nazis winning".

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>>90148670
Narratively: that's a distinct and real possibility, although I hold out hope that they do something more then either "lol Nazis win" or at the very least if they win make it an interesting win rather then them just wining because they have the battleships.although I hope the Americans win because im an unabashed burger

logisticallywhich is what half the arguments in this thread are about : I don't think its as simple as that. others have pointed out the Nazis have their work cut out for them.as another anon said I would love to see a superpowerd Patton running roughshod over Europe with his "goodtime boys"

>>90149185
I'm holding out hope Patton can form the core of a good arc. I don't think it's all that likely though.

I mean he has to do something, Patton's aggressive as shit and now he has fucking superpowers. Even if he's just a Tankman (which is pretty likely), the real-life Patton already thought he had a grand destiny to go to war, turning into a freaking war machine might actually drive him nuts.

Though i'd personally love for him to be a Destroyer, just so we can see him beat the shit out of a bunch of Nazis personally.

>>90148853
Without the deployment of Allied Ubers to mainland China even a handful of Japanese tankmen should have rolled over the Chinese. By the way, given the ratios thrown about, the Japanese should have been able to make a little over 200 Ubers from their forces stationed in China.

>>90143993
All allied Ubers needed to receive SAS style training before being activated. It would have been great to see the allies trying to fend off the Germans before unleashing their properly trained super human army.

>>90141010
>I bet you think Operation Sealion was a hair's breadth from succeeding too.

If they kept bombing the radar stations and airfields, it would have.

>>90150624
Something that hasn't been brought up in a very long while is that the Allies, America in particular, produced so many Ubers that they're able to rotate out combat units. At this point in the story even fresh out of boot Ubers should have a fair grasp of Uber tactics and combat and be mixed in with more experienced Uber units.

>>90150624
I wonder how many German Ubers are young kids at this point. Since it'd probably be hard to tell since the process would make them taller and ripped, and there's no way Germany had enough military age males left to make this many Ubers.

>>90150729
Lord, no. They couldn't hit manufacturing, a lot of the airfields they were bombing were dirt and grass so they could be repaired in a few hours with shovels, they lacked the pilot reserve to effectively replace losses, their escorts were incapable, either through fuel issues or poor capabilities, to effectively defend against British fighters, their bombers all had deficiencies that hampered their effectiveness, their intelligence was a joke, and the British were performing strategic bombing against the German forces constantly. That's just a brief summary of why the Germans lost the Battle of Britain, Operation Sealion wasn't supposed to commence until after the Nazis won the BoB. No competent military strategist, and that includes the Nazi High Command, believed that Operation Sealion was feasible.

I actually just finished reaading through the last bits of this and the Allies have actually won a couple of battles. Russia ran them out out of their land, although they stopped 'cuz plot convenience. on the eastern front the US is actually pressing quite a bit forward, it's just slowed down due to the japanese Miyoko making the US wait for their own tankmen to bring them down.

So the current status
-The three spies are dead(maybe not the one that Turing lobotomized?)
-Katyusha straight up took off with Russia's higher potential candidates
-Jew Hulk incapacitated, who knows where because Turing and the bitch that helped start this mess are in America
-jap battleship potential is heading to the US, more than likedly activated to at least heavy cruiser because the Americans don't have enough problems already (conveniently bypassing the massive naval forces)

With all that, yes the allies have 'won' in that they've taken a few armies out. However, there has been no DECISIVE victory, because this would in fact end the series.
Gillen has written himself into a corner however, because now the germans DEFINITELY DO NOT have enough resources to bring their army back to Europe. So unless Kieron pulls another massive asspull, like Mexico joining in or something, this SHOULD be the turning point for the allies.

That all being said,

>>90145621
Probably got tired of having to draw the same shit over and over. This other guy sucks.

>>90150929
The usual given ration is that for every Uber candidate you'll have 5000 non-candidates and battleships are to Ubers what Ubers are to normal people. The only way for that to hold true with what we've seen in the comic, four German battleship candidates, is for Gillen to have used the total pre-war population of Germany as a base.

>>90151774
>because now the germans DEFINITELY DO NOT have enough resources to bring their army back to Europe.

They literally sailed a fleet of submarines into a major American harbor undetected to deploy them and those same Ubers have now thoroughly wrecked any coastal defenses located nearby. It's not a matter of a decisive victory, those are rare in real life, it's that the Allies have won exactly one strategic victory, Maria vs. Klaudia, and that was more or less negated by Maria fucking off to Siberia.

>>90148853
The simplest way is to destroy their shitty glucose manufacturing/shipping lines. Ubers literally cannot survive without their rations and can't even forage for real food.

>>90151912
To get 4 battleships with that rate, you would need 100 million people. Germany has never had that many people.

I think it's safe to assume that the Germans have some way of improving their odds of getting battleships, which means they could possibly have even more waiting to be activated.

>>90152304
It would be somewhat funny to see the Siegfried, Siegmund and the invading German Ubers die off primarily due to starvation.

>>90152479
There will probably be a text box that says a bunch of the grunts starved, but it won't effect anything because the US has nothing that can touch two veteran battleships.

>>90152556
More like the grunts will be forced to give food to the battleships.

>>90151774
> Gillen has written himself into a corner however, because now the germans DEFINITELY DO NOT have enough resources to bring their army back to Europe.
Sure they do. Right now thanks to the blitzmen Germany has total sea supremacy. They can come and go as they please.

And if Mexico were to join in, they would of course be joining in on the Nazi side, because that would be an extremely easy "shocking" revelation that things have suddenly gotten even worse, and we must have one every issue.

>>90152556
>The American intelligence mistakenly thought that they could just wait for the Germans to starve from the extended deployment
>Unfortunately they didn't know the Germans found a way to eat the dreams of children.

>>90152367
I just rounded up since you can't have part of a person.

>>90152367
I wonder what Germany will name their next crop of battleships. Hopefully they won't keep using Sieg-whatever names.

>>90152671
Germany's population maxed out in the high 70 millions. 75 million gets you three battleships. You don't get the numbers to justify four unless you include conquered territories like Poland, and I would imagine that a Polish battleship would probably not be favorably disposed toward the Nazis.

>>90152830
Going by the numbers, America should have a fifth battleship, yet it doesn't. Population is clearly not the deciding factor, there has to be something else at work. It would help explain why Germany has so many more of every type of uber than anyone else, despite having a smaller population than either the US or the Soviet Union.

>>90152830
If you include Austria, the Sudetanland and Memelland you get a little over 80 million, which using a 5000:1 ratio nets you 16120 Ubers and 3.2 battleships. Granted that is total population.

>>90153107
Census figures put the total German population in May of 1939 at 79 million. That's including Austria, the Sudetenland, and Memelland. You don't get over 80 million until the conquest of Poland.

>>90153070
The UK should have at least one more battleship, Japan should have 2 more battleships; there could easily be acceptable in-universe reasons as to why they haven't found them like being too young, too old, or otherwise physically excluded from testing, but it's just never mentioned.

>>90153344
Those are reasons to have fewer than you theoretically would. That doesn't explain Germany also having more than they theoretically should.

>>90153206
Using the May 1939 census results gets you 15875.05 Ubers with 3.175 battleships.

>>90153422
Like I said, rounding up. Battleship Zero counts for the decimals. Strictly speaking all the numbers should be lower as they're based on total population. The real issue is that the numbers mean that the Germans can only field a single division of Ubers, split between two fronts; logically the Allies should be constantly breaking the Nazi lines as there shouldn't be enough Ubers to cover them.

Please Lord, don't let Razor be another HMS Colossus.

>>90153797
Razor will be another Colossus, one of the black guys will be another Churchill, the gay Nazi battleship will hook up with the other black guy.

>>90153843
Oh my...

>>90153843
He'll live by running away at a critical moment, getting one of the heavy cruisers killed.

>Make a comic about Germany getting one last shot in the arm before it goes down
>Don't worry though ol'brittania has female james bond to save the day
>Allies still win but hasn't man become the true monster?
>Scratch that it became more popular then it should, now I'll just stretch it out for years for the cash money even though I ran out of plot ages ago
The comic.

>>90153644
That "rounding up" is another 20 million people.

>>90153070
America didn't test out the sisters of that dude. I'm willing to bet that Germany actually has less battleships than they should for whatever reason.

>>90154530
> I'm willing to bet that Germany actually has less battleships than they should for whatever reason.
We know they have at least four, and that's already more than they should.

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>>90128996
>>90145793
>not rooting for the nazis
You still asking for logic in a complete fantasy scenario. Every single american super hero comic is about a hero who foils the big bads plan as it unfolds, punches everyone and saves the day in every issue. The biggest setback the writes can think of is killing a minor character or sometimes the main just to resurrect him after a while and start the whole thing from the beginning.

Über does the exact same thing with the "bad guys" and you have problems with that because they don't wear Stars 'n' Stripes.

Part of the reason the comic starts when Germany is almost defeated is to create the exact same scenario most comic book stories are about: the underdog against the big empire. You can root for the nazis because they are supposed to be one major defeat away from losing, while the whole world is against them. Just like in cape comics.

>>90155532
We only know those metrics based off of German research. Are you seeing the flaw here?

So when is issue 4 suppose to be out?

>>90153797
You don't know Gillen at all, do you?

>>90139458
Soon being issue 5.

>Über: Invasion #5
>Kieron Gillen's epic assault on America continues as the German destruction of the Eastern seaboard continues unabated. One crushing loss after another threatens to bring America to her knees. Now a second front threatens to open up, further dividing thin resources.

>>90157286
>further dividing thin resources.

What fucking resources?

The Americans has 2 Cruisers and 1 bed wetting Battleship. Now they have Super Turing and possibly Jew Hulk without a leg to even stand on.

>>90157286
So. Issue 4: New York is razed. Issue 5: Miyoko make landings on the west coast and start glassing San Francisco.

Man, I really wish Gillen would gotten another artist than Gete for Invasion. White and Andrade are both superior artists.

>>90141236
The bets for Worlds Fastest Man is either on Superspy 1, 2 or 3.
Or a normal tankman who was a diplomat.

>>90141110
Germany in itself is in ruins, except for a few rare outskirts.
The Third Reich is fine.
I.E Norway, Denmark, outskirts of Poland, Titoland, etc.

>>90158242
At this point, the only parts of german controlled territory that haven't been churned to mud or reduced to rubble by the back and forth of advancing armies is Denmark and Norway, and they sure as shit can't prop up the entire Reich economy on their own, or keep all of Germany or Austria's remaining population from starving.

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Flying ubers when, damnit?

>>90158976
>B52 Flying Fortresses
>Allied Blitzmensch raining Halos on enemy positions
>Dropping Heavies straight onto enemy positions

>>90155561
Uber has the same problem as Injustice in that it's plot has to be restricted to sustain its premise. Like Injustice, it has to handwave over a lot of issues to maintain that premise. Why didn't the Allies resume night bombing since the Ubers require line of sight? Why didn't all the villains gang up on Superman when he went dictator? How are the Nazis maintaining two fronts stretching hundreds of miles with a few thousand Ubers? Why didn't Firestorm just turn Superman's pants to Kryptonite?

Once you've got readers questioning the basic competency of one of your sides it's not a good place to be in. If the Nazis are supposed to be the good guys then there is no tension, as they're steamrolling; if they're supposed to be the bad guys then they're boring.

I saw Uber was good when it was still WW2 with super solders and some status quo was maintained on European front but it went shitter after Nazis started winning and wining, like 2 last issues before Invasion.

>>90159457
Allies don't have blitzmen. Aside from the halo battleship that the Soviets made by accident, they can't produce ubers that have more halo activations than physical ones.

>>90158976
Unless eventual Flight stacks makes ubers with them capable of super sonic speeds, all they'll be doing is making themselves easier targets Halo-slanted enemy ubers.

>>90152830
That's not how chance works. Sometimes you get more and sometimes you get less than the expected value. There's a 30% chance to get four or more out of 70 million with a 1/25 million chance. Those aren't terrible odds.

>>90160100
Which means that the real question isn't why the Germans have four battleships, it's how many more battleships do the Germans have?

>>90154015
Trevor the non-cripple seems based like Dunkirk, trying to hold everone's shit together. So he will more than likely die horribly because Gillen can't into likeable characters.

>>90160612
The chances of having more than the expected amount diminish rapidly the higher you go. 1-5 is what you'd normally expect. Anything outside that and you start going into single digit percent chances.

>>90159534
Unlike Injustice, Uber has the advantage of low time frame.
Injustice is now at.... Year 5?
And DC comics is a place where i would argue that 60% of the Rooster of the Justice League can "kill" Superman, which makes the entire Kryptonite Bullet subplots shitty as fuck.

Meanwhile Uber starts at April 1945, and we are still in 1945.
Latest chapter takes place mid November 1945.
Superior British Spy network? Its why Allies even can field Ubers
Pre and Post Hitler? It shows, if you read properly

>>90160853
Trevor is black though, which, given Gillen's socio-political outlook, makes it unlikely he'll be the one to bite it next issue. Eamonn seems the far more likely candidate to die like a bitch without doing squat to the germans.

>>90160869
> Superior British Spy network
Except that the allies have been getting completely trashed in the spy game. So what if they have ubers? The Germans always know where and how to counter them. The western allies basically don't have ubers for all the good it's done them.

>>90160854
I wouldn't put it past Gillen to give them more even if it would be improbable. He could make a text box saying how it was super unlikely, but that the Germans really did just get that lucky.

I'm still hedging that the final tweeest is the US has an honest to god Superman hanging out in the heartland.

>>90161296
which is funny since by 1944 pretty much every German spy was actually a British spy.

>>90161503
But now everyone is secretly a German super spy uber.

>>90161296
Completely trashed?
Beyond The Super Spies, German spy effort has been a net loss in Uber.
The only reason they aren't losing more, is that Ubers means they no longer need to use Enigma for troop movement.
Among other things.

>>90158976
just strip the engine out of a me109 and replace it with a gearbox and some pedals and have a tankman drive it. shave like 800kg off the plane's weight.

>>90151774
>The three spies are dead(maybe not the one that Turing lobotomized?)
not confirmed in the pages but Gillen wrote in his tumblr that they're all gone

>>90162030
The Germans have been able winning in the intel game at every turn. Just look at the invasion, which was a huge operation that dropped two battleships and a huge army of tankmen right in the middle of the eastern seaboard and took out the capital. Or Sieglinde offing Churchill and the deployment of the blitzmen allowing her to escape from Britain unscathed. Or them being able to steal heavy tankmen and use them ten times as effectively as the allies ever did. Or the whole fiasco with the atomic bomb, not only crippling the allied nuclear program but giving the axis the bomb.

The only time the allies have been able to win an intelligence victory was the very beginning when they acquired ubers in the first place, but that hasn't changed anything for the western allies. Only the Soviets have been able to actually do anything with the ubers, for the west they might as well just not have them for all the difference they're making, so that one intel victory is meaningless.

>>90161296
The British conventional spy network bought the allies a fighting chance by giving them über tech. The German über spy network is spent. They have nothing left. The only thing they had going for them were the über spies and they have all been compromised.

>>90162277
Until they just cook up a new batch anyway, which only they know how to do.

>>90162326
all dead, actually
>>90162340
spies require a shitton of catalyst, but yes that's valid. besides the catalyst investment they haven't mentioned any other limitations to spy activation, like battleships
if Gillen does another "but wait, there's more!" "what a twist!" with super spies I will flip a table

>>90162302
Now that the German über spies are gone, that can change. No longer will the Germans acquire all allied tech, know of allied troop movements and be able to sabotage allied assets. The playing field has been leveled.

>>90162386
Of course he will. It's such a cheap and easy way to let the Nazis continue romping around crushing the allies even though they should be numerically inferior, starving, fighting on multiple fronts and generally collapsing.

>>90162397
hopefully any new advances the US makes and the breakthroughs from Steph and Turing will actually remain allied secrets.
hopefully those along with Japanese Godzilla on the west coast make for some interesting tug-of-wars instead of lolaxiscrush

>>90162442
>they should be numerically inferior, starving, fighting on multiple fronts and generally collapsing
Gillen said he'd focus a few issues in the future showing just how fucked the German homeland is. Here's hoping

>>90162386
I think the spies are a closed chapter unless the allies get some use of the tech. They've served their purpose in the story and have all been properly dealt with.

>>90162397
> Now that the German über spies are gone
There's nothing stopping them from just making more. Then the Germans will go right back to acquiring all allied tech, knowing all allied movements, and sabotaging all allied assets as if the allies had never taken out the super spies.

>>90162397
You're not that gullible are you?

>>90162478
Gillen isn't going to give up a way of pulling another "shocking" reversal for the Allies out of his ass. There will be more super spies.

>>90162490
the workaround to that is staffing every event with polaroids and uber bodyguard security checks
Patton uber was one of the few "what a tweest" lucky strokes for allies. same with Turing uber

>>90127429
USA have no battleships because they only have niggers who are pottential battleships and since the USA is being run by actual fucking potatoes in human form they wont fully activate their niggerbattleships to save their own skin out of rightful fear that the NBS's will say "hey, were tired of you white guys shitting all over us every fucking day" and decide to ask for equal rights or something stupid because tTHIS FUCKINGKCOMICWASWRITTENBYNAZIBLOWINGAUTISTIC/POL/TARDS!!!!

Anywys, thats my take.

>>90162546
Gay spawn Of Patton and turning against mecha Hitler made from bodies of all German ubers?

>>90162600
*Turing

>>90162476
It's not just an issue of the homeland. The thing is they just don't have the numbers to hold out. As pointed out earlier, 1 in 5k only gives Germany about 16k ubers of any type. The Soviets alone would have 34k, more than twice their numbers. On top of that, most of Germany's big guns have been running around on deep strike missions against London, Paris, the US east coast, etc. So what is keeping the massive eastern front from collapsing? Where are they getting all their ubers to simultaneously fight everyone at once and not only hold but advance and win?

>>90133762
>Nazi Fan Wank.

It really is worse than Injustice. I keep expecting Steve Bannon to write a guest issue.

>>90162546
> Patton uber was one of the few "what a tweest" lucky strokes for allies. same with Turing uber
Okay, so they have two more standard tankmen who happen to be famous people. So what? Patton and Turing weren't important because of their ability to punch someone's head off. They were an important general and an important mathematician respectively.

>>90162635
Apart from Katyusha, the Soviets have only basic tankmen, no way to research new tech and limited production. If the Soviets try to move ahead without Katyusha, they'll get slaughtered by heavy tankmen and ship classes.

>>90162692
they each eliminated a super spy and the allies would benefit much more with them than without

>>90162635
The Soviets only have one battleship though, and she fucked off to Siberia with a bunch of potentials. Without them, it doesn't matter how many tank men the Soviets have, they don't have anything but the basics so they can't win. They also don't know much about the super spies, so as soon as the Germans produce more they can start running wild through the Soviet hierarchy.

>>90162784
Given that Germans outnumber both Soviets and Muricans combined, not to mention their advantage in quality. Couldn't they just send like 100k tankmen/blitzmen and 12k cruisers or something like that and gangbang Soviet girl?

>>90145621
>Canaan White, the original artist (who, despite the KKK-style name, is actually a black dude) quit for some mysterious reason.

It was all the nazi saluting going on in the office, just got to the guy after a while.

>>90162864
They don't know where she is. Hell, the Soviets don't know where she is.

>>90162302
>The only time the allies have been able to win an intelligence victory was the very beginning when they acquired ubers in the first place, but that hasn't changed anything for the western allies

Wait so
>Getting Ubers so they don't suffer a complete stomp
>Didn't change anything
holy shit anon
You are the faggot.

>>90163068
But they did suffer a complete stomp.

>>90163068
They are still getting completely stomped.

>>90162712
The soviets are still churning out truckloads of regular tankmen though, what with them still getting catalyst shipments from the US, while also having Katyusha secretly transmute the stuff for them. Also, the *do* know how to identify and activate destroyers, cruisers, and battleships now.

>>90163505
They don't have Katyusha transmuting it for them anymore.

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>Axis spies not only crippled the Manhattan Project, but gave Germany the bomb
I don't read this comic, but what the actual fuck? I don't think Uber-Nazis running rampant is too bad, but this is absolute wank.

>>90150729
The aim of the Blitz wasn't to destroy radars and airfields to prepare Sealion, though.

It was to force the UK to accept peace negociations because the civilians would stop to support the war... or so it was believed.

Sealion would have needed Germany to defeat the Royal Navy, which they weren't even close of doing.
As long as the Royal Navy was still a thing, any invasion of Britain was doomed.
Sure, the landings could go well but then it would have taken only a few days for the Navy to move in position to blocade the beachheads and cut all supplies to the german forces.

>>90163505
It takes 2 activations each of a couple of grams catalyst to make a standard tank-man. From what we saw of the scope of Katyusha's matter-warping skills at Kiev, all she would have had to do before going to Siberia was transmute a 20 foot cube of dirt into catalyst, and the soviets would have enough of the shit activate every uber potential in soviet territory twice over.

>>90163769
the writer gives a lot of credit to individual spies.
Stephanie did the exact same thing for the uber tech, she destroyed their catalyst plants and brought everything to the allies

>>90163769
Not spies, spy. Singular. It only took a single german spy to kill everyone involved in the manhattan project, destroy all the facilities, and deliver a bomb to the Axis.

>>90162302
>Giving the axis the bomb

a bomb
Not the technology behind it, which will still need months of reverse engineering.
Not the actual capacity to produce them, since that requires a good amount of ressources.

Most of the world's uranium is produced out of Axis territory.
Even if it was, the Axis would need the industrial infrastructure to produce A-bombs, which would need time... and they don't have that because every day, new tankmen are being produced by the USSR and the USA.
Worst, in barely a few weeks, the USA will have battleships.

>>90162592
It reasonable to not give to much power to mironities who you treat kinda crap because it will bite you in ass later (and dont tell me that mironities are only nice and want equal right, there are alot of racist pricks or just thugs and extremist).
But it is retarded if nazis are browing up your own cities and you cant stop them.

>>90163853
Isn't the red muck also part of the diet of ubers ?

>>90163933
>she destroyed their catalyst plants

Which, from what we can tell of the speed with which the germans managed to create both havies, blitzes, and bring their destroyers and cruisers online after they acquired the relevant information, did fuck-all to german catalyst production.

>>90164045
In barely a few weeks there will be no USA.

>>90164066
Nope, they subsist of a diet of concentrated glucose paste.

>>90164045
The Germans have consistently been ahead technologically on all other fronts in Uber, so that won't be a problem. Similarly they are now in the lead in terms of resources and production since Britain is out, the US is about to become a barren wasteland empty of life, and the Soviets have lost their only battleship. They can just out industry the allies.

>>90162692
It means these dudes survived.
And their contribution to the war, even as non-uber, wasn't negligeable.

Please keep in mind that the Axis will have at best a few thousands of ubers while the Allies and Soviets, even without activating blacks and indians, can have ten times that many.

Doesn't mean they aren't wasting ressources like in the last issue.
But they can afford to be wasteful. The Axis cannot at all.

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>>90155561
>Every single american super hero comic is about a hero who foils the big bads plan as it unfolds, punches everyone and saves the day in every issue.

>>90164111
There'll be no eastern seabord. Unless one of the nazi ubers figures out how to transmute that nutrient slop they need to keep themselves fed, they'll have to stay near the coast to be re-supplied via sub.

>>90164177
>But they can afford to be wasteful. The Axis cannot at all.
This. Once the battleships are gone they're fucked. I didn't want to see Siegfried fall since it was only issue 3. But I did want to see him beat up, fucked up, and lose one or two limbs. But we couldn't get even that.

>>90164177
The axis have way more ubers than the US or the soviets because the allies group their ubers up in batches of a few hundred and march them straight at battleships that slaughter them effortlessly. That leaves very few ubers to fight the panzer/blitzmen, who on top of that are vastly superior to allied tankmen.

>>90164211
Don't the Nip-Nongs have a Battleship on the way to the West Coast?

>>90164168
>The Soviets have lost their only battleship.
Did I miss something ?

She said she wasn't gonna go on the offensive beyond the lines of Molotov-Rippentrop Pact.
But that doesn't mean she wouldn't help if the Nazis came back.

>>90164270
> Once the battleships are gone they're fucked.
They have more battleships than anyone else, and that's not counting how many more they still have yet to find and activate. Plus they have blitzmen who slaughter allied tankmen and halo cruisers/destroyers who are a match for allied battleships.

>>90164348
She left for Siberia and took a bunch of potentials with her to start a cult. She's been MIA ever since. The Soviets don't even have her for defensive operations anymore.

>>90164270
They still have spy ubers, and since halo beats physical their standard ubers and middleweight ships still beat the allies, even without their battleships. Remember, their cruisers can beat one of the only allied battleships without even getting touched.

>>90164307
They have more for now.
The same way Germany had more troops than the Allies in 1939 but was outclassed 3:1 by the end of the war by USA alone.
The Allies are mobilizing progressively, as they didn't have the luxury of several years to test the technology.
The Germans are rushing everything they have because they have to.

>>90164477
Soon the Allies won't have anything to mobilize.

>>90164396
Don't the Soviets have a spy among said potentials whose job is to report on her ?
I guess they could always send a plane to her location and ask her to come back because "Motherland needs you. Millions of lives are at stake"

>>90164477
The allies were able to eventually outnumber Germany because they had larger civilian populations to draw from. The US, however, is getting completely culled and so it won't have the population to match Germany. The Soviets have the problem that their only heavyweights are fucking around, and standard tank men just can't compete with even blitzmen, never mind destroyers, cruisers, and battleships.

Also, any mobilization attempt can easily be thwarted by spy ubers, giving the Germans plenty of time to finish steamrolling the allies.

>>90164524
They only need people and time.

The germans can't genocide the whole countries overnight.
If it takes one month to activate a tankman, then you can count on the USA having thousands of them ready by the time the germans get to Los Angeles.

>>90164445
>their cruisers can beat one of the only allied battleships without even getting touched.
churchill really isn't a good indicator. they kited her for over a half hour because she was so damn slow. if she managed to grab one their head would've popped like a cork
you can be sure a full 12:12 battleship would dominate a cruiser