Stronger than Superman, weaker than Thor.

>>90097762
That would imply Thor is stronger than Superman

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>>90097762
>As if a single character in Marvel approaches Superman's level

>>90097762
Thor's level of personal power fluctuates wildly depending on the plot, which is also true of superhero characters in general, but Thor has it particularly bad. He's swung between getting his ass beat by the likes of Absorbing Man, soloing fucking Celestials without being instantly deleted from reality.

>>90097762
I really miss Thor being the Superman of Marvel. But now they keep on making more and more Superman clones with this guy, Sentry, powercreep Carol,

>>90097911
I thought the way it works out is Thor actually has a shitload of various powers through magic that makes him a lot like Silver Age Superman, who pulled a new power out of his ass every month, but he would much rather simply brawl with his enemies.

He technically could defeat most people with a trick or two but he likes fighting the hard way.

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Here we have Thor surviving a nuke, this was Thor with the full Odin-force right after Odin died.

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>>90098119

>>90097868
Woah I've never seen Cavill Superman smile before.

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>>90098146

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>>90098160

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>>90097786

This. Dial goes up to eleven, OP.

>b-b-but Busiek is a DCfag

Doesn't matter, that is literally the only canon throwdown between the two characters and until something else disproves it, it stands.

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>>90098176

>>90098153
Lying retard fuck.
http://greatkunglao.tumblr.com/post/150401020551/henry-cavills-superman-is-so-dark-and-gloomy

>>90098219
>multiple stills, many from the same scene/smile
>still pitifully small amount
kek

>>90098194
Yeah, but Skyfather powers are legit OP.

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Are we doing this?

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>>90098178
Just because Clark had the physical strength & Density to knock Thor out doesn't mean he is more powerful then Thor.
Clark has never done anything in terms of raw power or energy output comparable to Thor's god blast.

>>90098194
Is that it? Dude has the Odin-Force and tanking a nuke is a feat for him? I mean I know he's A-B-C'd better durability feats than that.

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>Thor
>Superman level
he'd have to be able to beat Shazam first

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>>90098257

Yeah, about that...

Well nevermind, Superbro is dead.

>>90098257

>kinetic energy isn't real energy

How dumb r u?

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Remember that time Superman and another Superman rushed SBP into space, through kryptonite, and through a red son? Two weaknesses in one trip and slams into a planet. And Superman was still able to take down Prime.

>>90098277
He did beat Shazam

>>90098274
>I mean I know he's A-B-C'd better durability feats than that.
Such as?

>>90097762
Power and strength are two different things

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>loeb
>doomsday clones

Yeah, yeah, I know. But this one of those not-holding-back moments.

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>>90098322
I mean Thor. Not Clark.

>>90098364
Batman killed one of those clones with a fucking axe it's not that big of a feat. The blast wouldn't have killed regular DD.

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>thor survives a nuke using daddy's power boost
>does a super blast that didn't do shit
>this is the best thorfags can do to support their character

Just like an actual Superman and Thor fight, this is pretty one-sided.

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>>90097868

yo

>>90097868
>As if a single character in Marvel approaches Superman's level

Sentry is stronger, Galactus would wipe the floor with Superman. Hell, there are probably hundreds of characters stronger then Superman. Superman isn't even the strongest character in DC.

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>>90098330
Pffft, I don't know off the top of my head but he's contended with a shit ton of heavy hitters that can do more damage than a nuke in comics.

>>90098257
That God blast did a damn fine job ruining the scenery, but it's not like Supes is lacking in that area.

>>90098409
Come on now, I like mellow vs threads.

>>90098400
WAY TO GO, SON

>>90098441
>vs threads
>mellow
>two groups of people trying to out-smug each other between shrieking is mellow
take your meds.

>>90098257
>This is Marvelfag logic

>>90098274
Yea I would like to think tanking shots from Galactus, Ego, and random Celestials would be bigger than that.

>>90098400
Yea Thor beat Cap in the 90's Marvel vs DC

>>90098418
What's this travesty?

A friend of mine tried to convince me that Wonder Woman was as strong or stringer than Thor. Haa fucking waa

>>90098409
>>does a super blast that didn't do shit
To a being more powerful then skyfathers, the blast destroyed mountains around them.

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Here Is Thor killing a skyfather with one hit.

>>90098409
>>thor survives a nuke using daddy's power boost
And he didn't even shrivel up into a mummy like your trunk wearing faggot would have.

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>>90098255
Who wrote this? Morrison? Seems like something he'd do as a tribute

>>90098400
Way to go, Son

>>90098436
>Galactus
The guy who regularly jobbed to the Fantastic Four?

>>90099171
>kill something that's all ready dead

Wow. Amazing. Maybe channel some of that the next time Thanos or Ultron curbstomps the Avengers.

Dude got beaten by a whisper. Give it up.

>>90099272
Why do people keep trying to make him a thing. Hickman, Ewing, Slott, Fraction. He's small potatoes on the cosmic scene.

Friendly reminder that Jim Starlin wrote two stories where Galactus and Superman suffered the same blow (two planets colliding), and Galactus was the one who got fucked up more.

So that's at least one writer who thinks Galactus is a lightweight compared to Supes.

>>90098219
Why do people feel they need to defend these movies?

I like them too, but when does trying to convince some casual who has already made up their mind become fun

>>90099624
Was this a hungry Galactus?

>>90098178
>>b-b-but Busiek is a DCfag
Wasn't he coming right off a well-acclaimed Avengers run and working at Marvel?

>>90099782
Why do people feel they need to hate these movies?
I hate them too, but when does trying to convince some casual who has already made up their mind become fun

>>90098436
Sentry is on Superman's league, hell, that's his whole reason to exist. To be a guy in Superman's level. But, Galactus is a whimp. Just big.

Blue Marvel has beaten Sentry, Sentry has beat Thor, Thor has beaten Blue Marvel, etc, etc, etc.

When you have two people who can punch planets into oblivion sometimes circumstance and plot relevancy plays a bigger role than power level.

Sentry is Superman level and possibly beyond, he always loses the first fight with someone then wins the second.

>>90098436
>Sentry is stronger
Superman lifted the DC multiverse. Try again.

>>90098219
someone got mad...

>>90100048

Which version of him?

I lift a Fucking Celestial, son

>>90098265
The PSI of those weights on his palms would far surpass that of a Nuclear strike.

A nuclear explosion, even at point blank isn't that impressive compared to the theoretical pressures given off by punches and lifting such extreme weights upon his hands. That pic isn't just a strength feat, but also an absurd durability feat.

Assuming the area of his hands on is about 15x4cm on each, 120cm^2 total.

Weight of the earth - 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

kg/cm^2 - 4.978e+22

Hiroshima Nuclear Bomb - 2.46 kg/cm^2

The pressures on his hands from those weights utterly fucking dwarf a nuclear strike.

>>90098320
Not even weak to his weaknesses. Such a Mary Sue.

>>90097762
I think we will never see Blue Marvel, Sentry and She-Hulk in Marvel cinematic

>>90100697
They don't want you to know Kryptonians are the cause of extinction events.

>>90098285
Yeah that was a superbro exclusive power and anyways it's a big gamble to use since it results in him being drained for an extended period and that was even one of the many things that ended up killing him.

>>90097868
Nigger, most reality manipulators could kill Superman.

>>90099294
Are you fucking retarded?
Bor wasn't dead in anyway. He wasn't a zombie he was fully conjured back to life. His powers were threatening to wipe NYC off the map.

>>90099294
>>90099171

He still had Odin-Force in him here.

>>90099294
Thanos has tanked blast from Odin & the Silver Surfer simultaneously, he is more powerful then Skyfathers.

>>90097762
>weaker than Thor.

show your work

>>90100697
>49780000000000000000000kg/cm^2
>2.46 kg/cm^2

So 20235772357723577235772.4 times more powerful than a nuclear bomb.

Thats insane

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>>90100697

I've wondered about this shit before, thanks to All-Star Superman.

He is just pushing against a machine that is exerting the equivalent of 200 quintillion tons in that, but he is pushing so hard he busts the machine.

This has always confused me because it seems like motion is required, and not just mass, to make these types of reactions occur. Yet at the same time, we can do shit like create Diamond Anvil Cells and see an obvious reaction by the material trapped inside.

>>90098400
Thor did beat Shazam.

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>>90098418
>>90098853

well, I mean he's part of the main DC universe now, so...

>>90101380
What are you wondering about? like the physics of force and motion?

>>90101171
nu52 Supergirl had it too(and before Superbro) but a more controlled version- still tried the hell out of her but didn't drain her dry of powers

>>90101225
Starlin fuck off please.

>>90101392
he has no real free will, forever bound to events that already happened. Owen Reece, the Narrative Man, otherwise, is fully free to do whatever he wants.

>>90101410

Basically what I am confused by is the forces being exerted by the two entities in motion.

For instance, in the page I provided, and in the page with Supes bench pressing the world, he acting against a stupid amount of weight. Wouldn't the very point of contact between these two force some absolutely insane shit to happen in the immediate area?

I can understand for instance, if say, Darkseid punched Superman's fist dead on while Superman was punching at the same time. Obviously I can conceive of the reaction that occurs around them.

What makes less sense however is when two opposite entities basically square up and start to press against one another. Like imagine if Darkseid and Superman pressed one fist against the other, and then started to push gradually up to their full strength.

Would we even see anything other than two weird guys doing something weird?

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>>90100697
>>90101380

these pages are poor mainly because the writers dont know much or anything about lifting weights or physics for that matter, they're just trying to sound cool, I think supes or someone in his weight class deadlifting or clean and jerking special gravity weights would look a million times better

>>90101488
Ah ok.

When two forces (in your case, Superman and darkseid pressing against each other) are pressing on each other with equal force, they are Balanced and the "object" remains motionless. Both are exerting a force, but because they are directly opposed by an equal force, the object remains in their state of motion. The forces they are exerting are withstood by eachothers bodies. If the forces are to great, they would break the body and something would break.

Imagine a weight on a table. The Weight "pushes" down on the table thanks to gravity. The tables structure withstands that force and pushes back on the weight - keeping it still. If the weight was replaced by a much large weight, the force would obviously increase too. If it was to much for the table, the table would break and collapse. Thats basically what would happen - both push up to their limits until one of their physical durability cannot withstand the force, and breaks. There isn't any real difference between you sitting on a chair and Superman and Darkseid pressing against each other at full force.

>Wouldn't the very point of contact between these two force some absolutely insane shit to happen in the immediate area?

Yes, which is where Superman's "super durability" kicks in. The sort of pressures I'm talking about above are normally only seen in cosmic events (the IRL stuff involving star death and black holes, not comic stuff). Its why I said its an insane feat, because at that sort of force is genuinely at a level where you have to start including weird laws of impact and such.

>>90098178
but its not canon, because no crossover is canon. open and shut, easy-peasy, etc

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>>90101488
>>90101713
Here is a quick drawing.

>>90098436
Sentry was marvel's attempt to get their own superman analogue.

Which is weird because they had like three already. Superman ripoffs are a dime a dozen.

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Wowo, a bunch of Superfags on /co/ samefagging as Thor fans so they can lowball him. what a surprise.

remember when Thor downed the living Incarnation of the Odinforce?

>>90097762
>implying the two characters have consistent power levels

It's a superhero comic, why do you care about the exact weight they can lift?

They're both 'really strong', that's all that matters on that front.

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Remember how Mjolnir can smash planets like pebbles?

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Remember when Thor threw a sword straight through a fucking Celestial?

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Remember when Thor one-shot Silver Surfer?

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Remmeber when Thor knocked down Galactus?

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Remember when Thor was hitting Exitar so hard that the shockwaves alone destroyed mountains on the other side of the planet, and the armor cracked under his assault?

>>90101915
>>90101941
>>90101960
>>90101974
Remember when a guy sat down at a typewriter or computer and wrote all this?

It's superhero fiction, anon. Relax. Who's stronger really doesn't matter, it's all just written and drawn by some guy at the end of the day. If you want Thor to be stronger than Superman, write about Thor being stronger than Superman.

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Remmeber when Thor smacked the Midgard Serpent so hard that the heavens quivered?

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Remember when Thor hit Gorr so hard that the shockwaves somehow managed to propagate through interplanetary space and destroy nearby planets?

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Remember when Thor and Hercules arm-wrestling provided enough pressure to throw the planet out of orbit, and they could keep it up for centuries?

>>90101915
>>90101941
>>90101960
>>90101974
>>90101984
>>90102001
>>90102018
>>90102029

remember when Thor did all this shit, and Superman caught Mjolinir and starched him anyway?

>>90101713
>>90101894

Alright, thank you.

>>90102053
remember when that was a non-canon crossover?

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>>90102053
Remember when, earlier in that same crossover, Thor one-shotted Superman?

>>90098855
Given that Thor has trouble keeping up with Wolverine and mongoose, Wonder Woman could just speedblitz him into oblivion. Or she could just smash his brain and ears with her bracelets like she did with superman.

>>90102001
The power of the celestials fluctuates really hard. So the biggest, baddest of all celestials has problems with Thor and the invisible woman when Arishem and his homies beat an amped Odin wielding the odinsword and the destroyer armor? Come on.

>>90098436
Sentry was blown up by a helicarrier. He talks all the time about having the power of a million exploding suns but, feat wise, superman could take him out.

Is there even one A list superhero that didn't end up being so overpowered that he could solo all of the marvel+dc roster combined? Like Batman has prep time, Superman has Superman Prime and even Thought Robot, Thor has Rune Thor ect...

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>>90102278
>Thor has trouble keeping up with Wolverine and mongoose
Remember when Superman was so slow Deathstroke could jump around faster than he could look at him? remember when it wasn't actually Thor fighting Mongoose, just some random-ass construction worker with Thor's magic hammer?
>The power of the celestials fluctuates really hard. So the biggest, baddest of all celestials has problems with Thor and the invisible woman when Arishem and his homies beat an amped Odin wielding the odinsword and the destroyer armor? Come on.
and your going to assert that Superman has consistent power-levels?

>>90097762
God, I hate him.
It's like hey, remember Sentry well here's basically the same thing, but he's black, and even lacks the one thing that could have made Sentry interesting(Sentry sucks too). I hate using this phrase, but he's a Mary Sue of the highest degree.

>>90098119
Why would a nuke kill Thor in the first place? And a nuke didn't kill Superman either

>>90101862
This particular crossover was canon to both though

>>90100873
He did lose his powers for like a year because of it.

>>90097762
literally the 3rd worst character marvel has, narrowly losing to miles morales and carol danvers

I thought Blue Marvel's original mini was okay but yeah he's kind of sucking a fat one in Ultimates

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>It's a power level thread

>>90100006
Thor killed Sentry and was literally the only person not insta raped by him when he was full "not holding back" evil

>>90097762
based off what

>>90097762

The stupid part is, he's about as powerful as the Sentry, but he has none of the mental issues.

What's the point of this character? At least the Sentry has "Earth's Mightiest Mortal, but fucking crazy" going for him. This is literally "Black Superman is better at his job than the white boi is."

>>90103203
He was a shitty husband and father, getting one child killed and the other turned into a super-villain-

he was also going the Doctor Manhattan router, progressively feeling less human afteer the death of his wife.

>>90103258

That's actually not much of a character arc. I remember that he only stopped being a hero because racism. Like, I'm surprise no one literally said "Oh, piss off with your mental issues, Robbie Reynolds. Malcolm X here could wreck you, and having him means we don't have to put up with your shit."

>>90102138
>non-canon
heh, no

>>90103296
basically ignore the original mini (except Big Hero disappears for decades and later waifu dies because old enemy returns) and go with Ewing's Mighty Avengers
Ewing gave him a full-fledget backstory

>>90101380
The ground is stronger than him if it can easily support 200 quintillion tons

>>90097972
In the last few years he seems to be just a brute with a magic hammer.

>>90098178
Nobody ever claimed that Busiek is a DCfag, it's just well known that DC imposed an ultimatum that Superman and Batman cannot lose.

>>90100006
>Blue Marvel has beaten Sentry

Isn't he literally powered by his weakness? That's like saying, since Kryptofuck can beat Superman, he can beat everyone Superman can beat.

>>90103203
He's basically Ewing's (and Ewing is literally the only person to use him now, outside other people using his team's) Reed Richards. His strength isn't even his biggest thing, it's his intelligence.

>>90103203
He's not even the most powerful member of his current team. I personally like Blue Marvel a lot, the Reed Richards meets superman angle opens up possibilities for mindbending cosmic trips and adventures. He and Monica were the best art of Ewing's new avengers, imo.

>>90101862
The spiderman/superman crossover is canon.

>>90101862

JLA/Avengers is.
Or at least it was at the time of publication.
Universes have been rebooted a couple of times for each company since then.

>>90097762
The one thing I liked about the Blue Marvel is that it really does address the elephant in the room: Would white Americans accept a non-white superhero?

In practically every major cape comic in the US, the premier superhero to appear in the public eye of whatever continuity he/she is in is primarily a white person.

Well what if the 1st superhero to debut was black? Or Asian? Latino? Native American? They may not overtly say anything, but I'm willing to bet a LOT of whites would be uncomfortable and distrustful if there was a non-white with that much power running around.

Guys it's obvious who would win in a fight between Thor and superman it will be whoever victory would sell the most copies

>>90097786
In many fight forums, its generally see that Superman and Thor ties, but Silver surfer beats superman 100% of the time

>>90101449
Damn, someone more powerful and less retarded than Manhattan.

>>90104565
>Symbiote going toe-to-toe with the Avatar of Cytorrak
This shit is just awful.

>>90097762
>Stranger than Superman
Well, he disappeared for a lot of time.

>>90107147
>Spider-Man goes toe-to-toe with Jugs
>"Great story! Much wow!"
>the much stronger Venom does it
>"JUGS WAS JUST JOBBING"
The state of X-Menetty

>>90107418
Spider-Man didn't go toe-to-toe with Juggs in a slugging match. He outwitted him in a high-stakes chase. That's what made it a great story. Juggernaut plowing through all obstacles while Peter is luring him into cement and allowing Marko to play right into his hands.

>>9010704
I am black and i still uncomfortable with a black guy with so much power

>>90100697
Damn, that version of Superman was durable as fuck.

>>90108456
I am an alien and i still unconfortable with alien having power cosmic

>>90097786
All it means is that Thor hard counters BM and BM hard counters SM

>>90101909
Hyperion isn't just a Supes expy, though. He's literally the incarnation of Superman that exists in the Marvel multiverse.

>>90109043
>we reincarnated your headliner into an edgier c-tier off-brand, suck it

To be fair, I don't know much about Hyperion besides that time he decapitated Namor and threw Atlantis out of the ocean. You'd think he'd be a little bit more relevant with that powerlevel.

>>90102354
Iron Man?