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>>90077019
Dick is more skilled than Bruce? so like, if he weren't a manlet he could potentially win?

Earth 0, but I can dig it.
Though I do want an explanation for how Tim is a worse fighter than Steph and how Dick is better than Bruce.

what are they being ranked for?

Ass apeal?

>>90077019
There's no way fucking Duke could take Tim in a fight.

NO. WAY.

>>90077019
>Duke over anyone
did i miss something?

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>>90077019
>Tim at the bottom
As always.

Dick best Batman confirmed. Brucefags on suicide watch.

>>90077099
The tweet he's replying to is at the bottom.

>>90077106
duke couldn't take stephanie in a fight

>>90077158
I honestly doubt King has read Morrisons run though

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>>90077019
https://twitter.com/HackinTimSeeley/status/833708735193300993

>>90077192
GOT EM

>>90077181
he read enough to make Dick and Damian be cute together

seems like an accurate list

>>90077106
>>90077163
timfags on suicide watch

>>90077019
Apparently the supposed best writer in comics fundamentally misunderstands the biggest character in comics. Weird.

>>90077289
No he actually gets it. Bruce is jack of all trades, master of none.

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>>90077019
>Dick
>More skilled than Bruce.
Get this faggot off Batman already.

>>90077298
There would be no list if it wasn't for Batman. He is the list.

>>90077335
He's still not the best. Deal with it.

>>90077298
So is Dick.

Bruce is a better fighter than Dick.

>>90077052
>>90077328
>Dick is less skilled than the man who trained him

>>90077373
I'm sorry m9, Dick is better

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>>Kate above Jason.The gap between Dick and Jason that high.Duke above Tim Goddamn Drake.Kingfags will defend this faggotry

>>90077192
>it backfires to show his poor writing

good the issue was great until the end

>>90077373
Bruce is a worse acrobat than Dick.

>>90077358
You're right, Batman is shit, King clearly thinks so so it must be true.

>>90077424
Correct. Everyone with a brain realized Bruce was terrible ages ago.

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>>90077397
>Dicks better even though Bruce whooped his ass and has far better martial feats.
>>90077423
And Bruce is a better fighter, smarter and stronger.

>>90077106
Well Tim is "dead", so Duke wins by default.

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>Tim's at the bottom
Maybe King's alright.

>>90077462
Clearly Dick let Bruce win. He would win if he was trying.

>>90077456
I know, Bill Finger and Kane should have done us all a favor and not bothered.

>taking what Tom King says seriously
According to him Dick can go toe to toe with Midnighter.

Dick is clearly his waifu, of course he can beat everyone and eveything.

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>Batfags mad that bats can't be the bestest at everything
Stay triggered.

>>90077489
Except Cass apparently.

>>90077482
Actually in one of their fight Bruce stop fighting Back and let Dick make a bitch out of himself.
>>90077506
Batman isn't the best at everything. But he's still better than Dick at fighting. No one is arguing about Cass being better than Bruce.

>>90077019
this seems like a joke since he has dick above bruce but in general writes dick like he's not that good

>>90077462
he is smarter but we're ranking on fighting skill alone

>>90077019
Duke over stephanie and tim?
WOW amazed
Jason below Damian
Damian above Tim

King is trolling imo

>>90077019
>Dick above Bruce

He's certainly more agile, but a better fighter...Idk. Quoting Dr Hurt:

>Bruce Wayne failed to stop me, Mr Grayson. You dare imagine yourself superior to a Wayne?

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Stephanie"can't beat a mob boss" brown above Tim lol

>>90077298
Batman trained everyone on the list so he is basically #1 by default

>>90077506
only the normie batman fans think batman can beat up anyone

>>90077066
Tim was usually written as being a poor fighter when compared to the rest of the Bat Family but was also said to be the second smartest after Bruce.

>>90077633
That's not how it works unless you assume they could only ever know what he taught them and not be able to improve beyond that.

Also he didn't train Cass nor Damian.

>>90077506
I'm mad Tim is at the bottom below Duke and Stephanie

>>90077668
Tim is shit

>>90077591
Intelligence comes into play in fighting and it's doesn't matter because Bruce still has him beat in strength, experience and technique. Especially considering he mastered more martial arts and have more time to find the usefulness of them.

>>90077506
>>90077634
>Cassandra Cain and Dick Grayson are the toughest opponents Batman has ever faced

Yeah I don't think so

Dick is only better in flippy shit than Bruce
As you see in the arkham games flipping around people gets you killed easy

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Tim fags BTFO again

>>90077642
He still received fight lessons from Lady Shiva.

Duke is barely a street fighter.

>>90077689
This is only a Batfamily list not a DCU fighters list. No Black Canary, Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, etc.

>>90077019
Is Barbara that shitty of a fighter that she doesn't make the list?

>Dick was a trained acrobat and gymnast at 14 and was taught combat skills for the next 7+ years by a master
>Bruce started training at 18 or so alongside various other techniques
Eh, it checks out but they're close

>Stephanie
>above anyone

>>90077767
It's only a top 10. Alfred would be above her though.

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>>90077767
>>duke in the top 10 but Barbara's not

>>90077735
And God forbid if he ever fought someone who was somehow more than human. He can't even handle his own protege.

>>90077767
Barbara ought to be in the chair.

>>90077796
Duke is above Babs.

>>90077689
Preptime isn't just a meme you know?

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These sidekicks are getting out of control holy shit.

>>90077019
I understand Dick being better than Bruce considering it's been said in the past he has more natural ability than Bruce and started fighting at an earlier stage in life.

>>90077818
Honestly it is true that most of the people he fights aren't really skilled.

>>90077823
It is entirely a meme but I guess even if you take it seriously it somehow falls apart when he fights Robin and Batgirl.

>>90077019
Batman is such a Mary sue he can't even beat up his kids.

>proteges can never surpass their masters
End this meme
>>90077818
>Bruce is slightly worse than Dick
>Dick can go toe-to-toe with Midnight er is a pure 1 on 1 fight
Fuck off with this shit.

>>90077822
>>90077796
>>90077817
I guess I'm just surprised. I wouldn't consider Helena Bat-family at all, and Duke is just so damn new that it's sort of a shock that the oldest Batgirl who's been fighting as long as Dick himself has is so low. She's also not as good at tech as Tim is so I would have thought she'd be a better fighter at least as compensating.

>>90077773
Dick wasn't even Robin until he was 16 in this continuity. And his aged was stated to be only around 21. Bruce is 32 and has been training longer than Dick's 5 years.

>>90077861
The most iconic villians in the world aren't that skilled that's a great insight maybe we should reevaluate this whole superhero comic thing.

>>90077922
They are good because they pose psychological questions and shit not because they are skilled. Basically only Ra's is exceptional. Don't be retarded here.

>>90077489
Nah, King had Middy wreck his ass. Seeley had Dick beating him.

>>90077875
>Dick has been repeatedly demonstrated to be worthy of the mantle of Batman but not quite as good as Bruce, the person who taught him everything he knows
>Midnighter would be the hardest fight Batman has ever faced

You fuck off

>>90077849
This.
>>90077862
Bruce can beat Dick and Cass because he studied them and know their weaknesses. He combines his skills with smarts.

>>90077886
Helena almost has to be by definition. She's a spinoff of his daughter. She'll always be Batfamily.

>>90077956
Yeah everyone knows in order to take down Batman you just have to pose psychological questions to him and he folds. Except for Ra's al Ghul who is the only person who has ever given Batman a real threat in his entire history.

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>>90077956
The denial in this post

>>90078010
Batman doesn't get taken down and that's partially protagonism but also because he really doesn't face opponents as skilled as him. The people on that level are his allies.

>>90078025
He's not a Batman villain. I did leave him off the general list though.

>>90077979
While Dick and Cass just run at their opponents with flailing arms and their tongues hanging out.

>>90077633
yeah this is true
not sure what they excel at above Bruce especially dick when he only knows what bruce taught him

>>90077654
well he did train damian anon
there was a big issue about damian wanting to kill but bruce was teaching how to go non lethal

Only on /co/ would it be a controversial statement to suggest that Batman's villains are not generally skilled fighters that come close to his level.

>>90077886
>>90077991
isn't she earth-two though?
King is ranking by earth-one

Bruce's fighting skills have become stupidly high as time went on. Apparentry he's equivalent to Karate Kid at points

>>90077633
Cassandra was trained so hard by the league of assassins that she became autistic, and Dick was a world renowed acrobat alongside his parents before he became batman's ward.

>>90078051
To be fair Bruce didn't teach Dick acrobatics, which is the thing Dick excels at over Bruce

>>90078084
Actually King is ranking by Earth-0 and made a mistake there. But my point is that Helena Bertinelli would not exist without Helena Wayne so that meta link will always be there.

>>90078039
Well I can only imagine what would happen if he faced opponents that were as skilled as him. We could call them "villains", and they would pose these things called "threats" and "danger", and we could use them for "effective storytelling".

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>>90078079
Gee I wonder why

>>90078079
I agree they're fucking stupid and Batman should have killed them a long time ago.

>>90077991

This is N52 Helena though

Dick is such a mary sue that writers have to pretend he's better than Bruce but never show it.
Bane making him his bitch is even more hilarious now that we have this list

which also omits babs who has beaten Dick

>>90078144
This is what you're not getting. Bane is not as skilled as him at fighting just because he can win. It's the strength and intelligence that got him.

>>90078120
Acrobats aren't generally skilled fighters and Damian received similar training to Cass except they also trained his brain, regardless, they're still kids.

>>90078167

Babs should never ebat Dick, but Dick should be able to beat Bruce sometimes

>>90078176
>Bane is not as skilled as him at fighting just because he can win at fighting

King apologists, everybody

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>>90078176
Batfags in denial

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>>90078167
>Babs
>ever beating anyone

>>90078120
once again flippy shit does not mean anything in a real fight
Dick is like the small asian man posturing in kung fu films but in reality would get taken down by anyone bigger than him.

>>90077192

lol Seeley

>>90078077
Bruce tried and failed. Dick is the one who succeeded with Damian.

>>90077019
Where's fan favorite Harper Row?

>>90077019
> Kate and Helena over Jason

huh

>>90078204
>gail simone
well there you go only in her fanfic would a fat out of shape loser train for 2 years and suddenly match batman

>>90078204
I'm not a Batfag. I'm saying Bruce's allies are more skilled than him and his villains.

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>>90077019
>doesn't even mention Barbara
and I thought I was just annoyed with him recycling I AM IRON MAN as a title for thirty fucking arcs in a row.

>>90078266
Still waiting for that Young Animal Harper Row mini.

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>>90078134
Gee it's a shame Batmans never EVA faced opponents as skilled as him huh,bat villians are all psychological and shit,no heavy hitters no sir

>>90078266
At the bottom of the list, just before Babs

>>90078162
Helena Wayne was pre-crisis though. And as original Huntress she tied her cowl with Batfamily.

>>90077019
Isn't a big part of why Batfags say Batman is so great is that he uses his smarts and intelligence to win instead of just brawn like other superheroes? Why is everyone so butthurt, this list just shows Batman can beat people more skilled than him because of his superior intelligence or some gay shit.

>Babs vs Joker
>broken legs
>Jason vs Joker
>ded
>Jason over Babs

lelno

>>90078286
Has Dick ever beaten Lady Shiva,Wrath,Bane,Prometheus,KGbeast, etc
no okay so this delusion is just willful hope that Dick is some day going to replace bruce as batman and be the "star"

>>90078204
>The toughest fight Batman ever had ended after he said he ate a burrito

Nope

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>>90078286
And I'm saying your wrong

>>90078280
Being Jason is suffering, anon. He only jobs in Bat events.

>>90078377
Again Bane is not skilled, I'm sorry you want to believe this that badly though.

>>90078365
Cass and Dick are two shilled up characters with little to hold them above Bruce
then when you omit babs but include kate the whole list loses all credibility
then you finally hit tim at the bottom and you wonder why you read it in the first place

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>>90078366
Anon the only reason Babs lived was because joker was on schedule,you can't seriously the killing joke "fight" is a feat,Babs would've gone down just as fast if joker wasn't focusing on gordon

>>90078044
>Batman can defeat them because he is smarter
>Are you sayin Dick and Cass are dumb?????

>>90078085
The only Karate Kid Bruce beat was Threeboot and he wasn't really as trained. More of a specialist than a master.

The original one didn't have his memory and still beat Bruce.

>>90078440
...is he using a single action revolver? It appears to have an ejection rod and a loading gate.

I just noticed this for the first time.

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>>90078392
I'm sorry you can't accept that Dick ain't that good

The list makes sense. Cass should be a no brainer. But honestly, Dick should also be a no brainer. Of all the male members of the Batfamily, he's the one that's in his prime. Not only that, but he has had better training than Bruce at a younger age, and he's portrayed to be more naturally physically talented. So it only makes sense that he's above Bruce, who's getting a bit on the older side while he didn't have the level of training some of the others do. Hell, if there's a "what if" situation where Damian is Dick's age, and he maintains that level of training, he would probably top or tie with Cass on this list as well due to age/quality of his training. The list is obviously not based off sheer intelligence of characters or else Bruce and Tim would top the list.

>>90078467
>Intelligence has nothing to do with expert level hand-to-hand combat

>>90078557
Nobody's saying they're not intelligent, they're just saying that Bruce is more intelligent than them, he should be considering how much writers like to use him to make other characters look stupid

>>90077019
>he's brains
>so he can't fight
not even a timfags, but I hate this logic

>>90078533
I think people don't realize how old Bruce is. Athletes in physical sports generally retire when they hit 30 because they can't keep up anymore. For the sake of a fun action series it doesn't have to factor in with the plot, but if we're fairly ranking it should play into things.

>>90078533
So Batman had shitty trainers, is old and busted, and can get his ass handed to him by his spin off characters. Am I following you correctly Mr. King?

>>90078638
Yep, that sounds about right to me

>Jason that low
What if it was a strength ranking

>>90078660
Cool, can't wait to see how that love of the character translates to your ability to tell the best comic stories of the past few years. Oh wait.

>>90078614
>Basing real life logic in a world were a batman can actually exist and can fight aliens, mythical monsters and gods.
I think you don't realize how comics work.

>>90078638
>>90078707
...what? Bruh, Morrison Bruce was like this as well.

>>90078742
That's why I said
>For the sake of a fun action series it doesn't have to factor in with the plot, but if we're fairly ranking it should play into things.

>>90078705
>Bruce
>Jason
>Dick
>Kate (dyke powers)
>Duke
>Tim
>Helena
>Cassandra
>Damian
>Stephanie

>>90078745
You reallllllly missed the point of that run.

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>>90078794
>capeshit
>ever having a point

Embrace the senseless fights and repeating story arcs anon

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>>90078705
Jason should be just behind bruce,considering his fights with shiva,Ra s,Desthstroke,Mongul Jr and Cass he should really be above Helena and kate

>>90078742
I think you might just be retarded.

>>90078352

I know, but this is a list of clearly N52 characters and N52 Helena hasnt joined the senpai yet

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I know Grayson fags like to pretend that he's a better fighter than Bruce but lying to yourself won't make it truth. Dick has always been what if Batman wasn't a mary sue. It exactly like how Billy is with Superman.

There's a preptime ranking now

https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/833738440739061763

>This in one-on-one, hand-to-hand, not about long term strategies, where Batman would be #1, Batgirl (Barbara) #2, Tim #3, Jason below Ace.

>>90077019
okay i don`t want to sound like a batman fanboy but come on,bruce not on top?

>>90078893
Bruce is SHIT

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>>90077019
What about Azrael?

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Can we all agree Tim shouldn't be that low he's the weakest robin physically but fucks sake he's got more skill than steph and duke goddamn Thomas of all people

>>90078821
>Calling an entire genre with a century's worth of stories worth reading that has taken over entire other mediums might distract from my inability to understand the most basic concepts of a slightly challenging comic book run

>>90078869
Truly being Jason is suffering. Good thing he's not in the Bat Office anymore.

>>90077979
>Bruce can beat Dick
In anything but an acrobatics contest, yes.
>and Cass
Nigga, you high?

>>90078843
Nah, the other anon is. It doesn't matter if things are put in for "Fun" they still count, so Bruce's age means nothing in the world of these characters because they are fictional. The rules of real life logic doesn't apply to them.

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>>90078869
>Jason below Ace
...alright, I kek'd

>>90078886
What a moron

>>90078614
>I think people don't realize how old Bruce is. Athletes in physical sports generally retire when they hit 30
Literally not try for any sport nubnuts, even less so for UFC or boxing. Prime age is 28, not 21 and certainly not 17.

>>90078938
You're ignoring context of discussion. It's like a versus argument (what would happen in a controlled environment with X, Y, Z) but you're screaming that the writer would decide the winner when everyone accepts that to be true in an actual story.

>>90077328
Dick has all of Bruce's training except he started at age 12. That gives him a huge advantage.

>>90078834
> Helena's purty good though. Jason might not actually be above her

>>90078886
He's made it worse.Now Babs can outsmart tim,Jason,Cass and Dick?!?

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>>90078869
>DAMAGE CONTROL
I bet he was getting BTFO on Twitter. Graysonfags need to learn their place.

>>90078613
So do I. It's legit when he's compared to Bruce, Dick, Jason, etc, but trying to say that Steph and fucking Duke are better because Tim is smart? Fucking stupid.

>>90077286
Just wait until he's asked a detective skill list.

>>90077019
There's probably some things I'd debate on this list except Tim is on the bottom so it gets my 100% approval.

>>90078869
lmao. Hes just trolling Jason and Dick fans

>>90077106
>He thinks writers actually research characters anymore

dont do this to yourself anon, they all talk shit

>>90078988
It's true in the NHL and NFL. You have some outliers and some positions vary more than others but the aging curve is generally past their most productive years into the 30s.

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>>90077019
>Dick was literally raised as an athlete
>started training at a much younger age
>in physical prime of his life
>has taken over for Batman before

Why is everyone so angry?

>>90079051

Maybe not Tim , but def the other 3

>>90078854
She debuted in batbook and the only other books where she appears now are batbooks.

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>>90079044
King is REALLY underselling Jason

>>90079089
It's only Brucefags

>>90079090
Current continuity womanchild Babs couldn't outsmart Hal Jordan

>>90079007
Except he didn't.
>>90077914

>>90079114
He is, Jason is definitely better than fucking Helena and Kate

>>90079113

Is that all it takes? I would think that talking to Batman more than twice would be needed. Are the we are robin kids part of it too? Tiger? etc/?

>>90078938
>The rules of real life logic doesn't apply to them.
Except they do.

>>90079090
Burnside Batgirl is an idiot.

>>90079154
>>90079114

Why are you guys acting like Kate and Helena are low tier. They have almost the same amount of experience and gone up against plenty of crap.

>>90079082
Tom Brady would like to have a word with you.

>>90079196
>some positions vary more than others

Please read the entire post. QBs last longer.

>>90079195
They're not low tier and they're certainly better than Duke, Tim, and Steph, but Jason's had training from both The League and Batman.

>>90079007
>Dick has all of Bruce's training
You're an idiot. Bruce trained under multiple masters, took what worked best for him and developed a style. Dick just got second hand training for a few years in some martial arts that Bruce knows.

>>90078991
>>90079166
There is no objective reality with fictional characters. Versus discussions are usually just dumb poorly told fiction.

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>>90078834
Hue

>>90079166
Holy shit you are retarded.

>>90077019
So is this like, New52 Tim, or Rebirth, restored past Tim who was actually trained by Lady Shiva?
(non-dinosaur mode)

Because isn't Duke pretty much just some Robin cosplayer?

>>90079295
Even if it's new 52 Tim, Duke being better than him despite only recently becoming a vigilante is bullshit

>>90077506

Even the biggest Brucefags have no choice but to admit Barbera is better with computers then he is.

>>90079165
Yes?
Especially considering that every other mainline Huntress was in a batfamily.

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>>90077019
The amount of triggered Brucefags in this thread warms my soul

>>90079286
Nope.

>>90079403

Its good to be entertained so early in the week

>>90079279
So Dick is at least clearly above Jaosn

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>>90079196
Just because Gordie Howe played hockey into his 50s doesn't change the fact that kind of activity level and getting hit doesn't tend to wear you up fast. And leave you lagging behind people younger than you with possibly better training methods behind them.

>>90079403
King is doing god's work.

>>90078886
Did he literally just said that Jason is below a dog in strategy? You know what? I don't blame Jason fans for hating him.

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>>90079462
Pre 52 yes,current Jason it's debatable,he's got a lot more feats and training from the league of assassins,Batman,Venom steroids and all caste but he's still a tad clumsy.It goes either way

>>90079565
>Ace
>not being the top strategist

>>90079565
Are you talking shit about Ace, you fucking bitch?

>>90079580

You'd think hed be able to beat Dick with all of that. But he hasn't and we have nothing to say that he would.

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>Tim that low
>Damian that high

>>90079279
That doesn't count because Jason wasn't trying to fight him.

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>>90079565
Reminder that King wrote this.

>>90079565
What did you expect from Dick fanboy?

>>90077019
Does he include dirty fighting and improvising?

Cause I feel like Bruce always have enough tricks on his sleeve to help against stronger or more skilled enemies.

>>90079680
King has good taste

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>>90079657
That is one of those fights no writer wants to do because of the shear fan backlash if nightwing lost or Jason todd jobbed,Tomasi still gets hate tweets for having damien outsmart todd

>>90079657
Maybe mental limits

>>90079666
Size is the only thing holding Damian back.

>>90079680
Truly the Vegeta of robins

>>90079763
No pls

>>90079721
>>90079736

It should'nt cause Jason isnt better than dick. When push comes to shove Dick would beat him most of the time

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>>90079680
To be fair shit talking his dead parents always works on todd,it's how Dick best him in battle of the cowl as well

>>90079824
He's actually. Jason is pretty skilled and above Dick in strength.

>>90079879

I mean strength isnt the only way to win a fight and Dick rarely fights like that. He's smarter , more agile, and more creative than most people Jason fights. More importantly he knows which buttons to push.

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>>90079844
Jason is a good man for never using fucking Damien's mom as a comeback,I would've used it long ago

>>90078533
Bruce went all over the world dickfag
Dick only got trained by Bruce
so your opinion of dick being better trained makes zero sense
Hell even damian would be considered better trained

>>90079930
Don't underestimate Jason's intelligent. He's the guy who was able to take control of the Gotham underworld in matter of days.

>>90078614
Dick was 30 before flashpoint deaged him so clearly he must suck right?

>>90079961

I'm still waiting for it

>>90080028
Yes but he was still superior to Bruce at 40+

>>90080016
Is her more intelligent and creative than Dick though? I think they focus in different areas, but Dick could outthink Jason in a fight

>>90078861
dick is a sue if we go by what his fans believe him to be
the only thing that keeps him from being one is the writers constantly shitting on him

>>90079930
Jason used to get triggered easily before, but he's much calmer these days. Dick wouldn't be able to push his buttons.

>>90077019
jasonfags in ruins

>>90079961
hopefully saving it for the right time

>>90077600
damian btfo of jason so many times

>>90080077

I feel like if it came form Dick he would. I mean he still brings up the comparisons between them.

>>90079007
if you think bruce perfectly replicated his own training for dick you are a moron and part of the reason people think dick is better than bruce

Bruce spent 10+ years training with actual masters to be batman
Dick got trained maybe 6 months when he was 12 by Batman

>>90080095
>Jason's on his deathbed (maybe due to old age, maybe due to some horrible injury, whatever)
>His time's almost up
>To the surprise of everyone, he asks Damian to be with him for his last moments
>Even Damian himself is confused, but shrugs and goes along with it.
>For a while Jason doesn't do much. Just makes small talk, reminisces about his time as Robin, generally doesn't do anything suspicious.
>Finally, he asks Damian to come closer because he wants to say one last thing before he dies (again)
>"I fucked your mom."
>Damian's at first taken aback then he gets furious as Jason starts laughing.
> "What the hell are you talking about Todd?! Why are you laughing so hard? Your crass joke isn't that funny! Todd?"
>Jason dies howling like he was gassed with Joker Toxin.
>Damian is forever haunted by the possibility that Jason Todd did, in fact, sleep with Talia.

>>90077019

Um is anyone gonna tell king that current Helena isnt part of the senpai?

>>90079879
go away tzitzimine

>>90077019
Duke really shouldn't be a character
the family in gotham is bloated
Batman Inc was a perfect solution to having bat characters outside of Gotham

>>90079565
jasonfags hate king because they have trouble reading comics without every little thing being spelled out for them like lobdell does

>power level fags
Please, off yourselves. Only thing worse is characterfags.

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>>90080107
I like to think Damien still holds a grudge over this

>>90080212
Go away "lmao" anon.

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>>90077192
Finally, a writer that understands Jason. Not like that hack Lobdell who can't put two sentences together without contradicting himself

>>90080494
To be fair Ace is a badass

https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/833757504941281280

>Dick's got better pedigree (child of great acrobat v child of great doctor) and a better trainer (Batman v Duchard). Plus he's Dick Grayson.

Brucefags can't handle the truth

>>90080747
I love that King loves Dick so much.

>>90080747
I'm glad that his Batman is getting close to be under 100k. Hopefully, DC will remove him soon.

>>90080783
Y he dislike Jason though

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>>90080747
>>Dick's got better pedigree
Yeah, all Bruce has is better feats.

>>90080892
I think he's just trolling Jason and Tim fans. I dont think he hates them. They are just easy to make fun of.

>>90080952
>when Dick told everyone he was alive they had to share a scene

nah I think he hates them

>>90080892
I remember him saying once that if it was Dick who stole the tires instead of Jason, he would've gotten away because he's "so awesome" unlike Jason.

>>90080966

Its not like either one was super close to him before he died thanks to Lobdell

>>90080976
>Bat office is now full of pathetic fanboys
We are really in sad times.

>>90080976
I remember he said Superman would have flied faster and gotten there in time to save Dick from Darkseid's eyebeams if it was him in Final Crisis because Dick is way cooler than Bruce

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>>90077019

>>90081101
this is why he's not on the main book

>>90080976
>>90081095

> Implying that he is wrong

You Salty Bruce and Jasonfags are hilarious

>>90077099
>Ass appeal?

If that was what was being ranked, then Dick would be at the top not Cass (though she does have a nice butt).

>>90081156
He is a pathetic Dick fanboy like you. Of course you would think he's right.

>>90081027
Oh yeah, we have a Dick fanboy, Tim fanboy and "Snyder" in the main Batman books. How lucky we are.

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tynion btfo

>>90081292
What does killing him have to do with the argument?

>>90081312
He is trying to be funny, but he's failing.

>>90081219
Jason would top the thigh chart

>>90081349
Jason has a pretty good butt too

Pre52 Tim was top 4 Batfam, right after Bruce, Cass, and Dick

>>90081456
>almost got killed by Damian

k

>>90081485
>Tim proceeds to beat the shit out of him in fair fights after that

Is Cassandra really that strong anymore?

>>90078745
That guy is just a retarded shitposter.

>>90081566
>WOMEN POWER
This why you see also Helena, Kate and Dick this high in the list.

>>90081619
>WOMEN POWER
>Dick
I like you dude.

>>90081653
He's the woman in just about every pairing on his

>>90081619
What's wrong with Helena and Kate's spot in the list? Reminder that Batgirl isn't even listed. Women Power my ass.

If anything Damian and Dick's spots are the most BS. Damian is way too young to be #4.

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>>90081545
Pls Tim is the punching bag of the bat fan in crossovers,Battle of the cowl,Batman and robin,Death of the family,Robin war etc,Damien's beaten him 3 times compared to Tim's one,worse yet he did it with one punch

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>>90077019
I don't know about Dick being above Bruce but Cass being at the top makes sense, especially considering she could easily kill Batman if she wanted to.

>>90081713
Jason shouldn't be below them to be honest. There's no logical excuse for why they are better besides the fact that they are "females" and I'm pretty sure he forgot about Barbara. Also, a petty sixteen years old girl shouldn't be better than Batman.

>If anything Damian and Dick's spots are the most BS. Damian is way too young to be #4.
True.

Okay, since this is serious discussion, let's stick to facts:
1. Cass, because she's kinda beat Batman and Dick
2. Bruce, because he have beaten Dick before
3. Dick/Damian. Little shit is capable to fight Deathstroke and Dick not so much, still questionable.
4.Jason. What the hell? Jason is pretty badass. I'm pretty sure he could handle girls and he has beaten Tim before.
5. Helena. Since she is super spy and shit, I think she is strong enough
6. Kate. Well, she is just a soldier in the bat-suit.
7.Tim. weakest Robin coming through!
8. Steph. She didn't have even proper training in a current timeline.
9. Duke. Literally guy from the street.

>>90081871
If we stick to facts, I think we can both agree to this list then? >>90081926

Nicely done IMO.

>>90081926
>Damian on par with Dick

Maybe when he's older but not when he's a pint-sized 13 year old.

>>90077106
They's the key though.

King's also explained in the past that how he views Batman as, is a person who is in the 90th percentile of every category he deals with in his war on crime.

Even if he's beaten in an individual category, he has all his other skills that he is superior in that can cover the weakness and win a fight.

Plainly in combat, Duke would be physically superior, but that doesn't mean he would be the certain winner, seeing how Tim's use of gadgets and knowledge of technique would quite likely give him an edge.

>>90080494
>Ace beating Jason
hehe he's super gonna kill off Ace by the end of I Am Bane though

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Lobdell just joined to defend Jason's honor!!

>>90082513
Based Lobdell.

>>90082513
This is the greatest day for DC Batwitter

I like Duke and all, but the only reason I didn't double check to see if Snyder made this was because Harper isn't on it.
Above Barbara, Tim, and Steph? Really? He just started, and sure he can take a beating but I don't think he's shown any skill on-par with the rest of the Batfamily.

>>90077052
Skilled fighter =/= strategy

Bruce would wipe the floor with Dick but that doesn't mean he's the more skilled fighter.

>>90082513
Man, I love the fun they are having

>>90082628
It's only Duke you have a problem with? The whole list is really messed up.

>>90078911
Both Azraels have superhuman powers so they wouldn't fit, but JPV would be equal to batman in skill and Lane would be equal to Kate probably.

>>90081926
This. I'm willing to lower Damian under Jason for the time being, and put Tim a bit higher as I'm not that familiar with pre 52 Tim, but everyone else I agree with.

>>90082513
T R I G G E R E D

>>90083104
Why are you triggered, anon?

>Steph
>better than ANYONE

>two weeks ago
"Tom King is the best Batfamily writer ever! He should write a Jason solo!"

>now
"WTF TOM KING SUCKS HOW DARE HE NOT RESPECT THE MARY SUE ADVENTURES OF RED HOOD!"

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>>90083258
>implying King's Batman run has been getting pure love or hate at any point in time
The only times it was close to either were when everyone was losing their shit over Duke hugging Gotham and "Kite Man, hell yeah.", otherwise it's been divisive.

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characterfags on CBR having a meltdown

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This damage control.

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>cue timfags changing their tune immediately

This is nice and all, but where does Kite man fall in the ranking?

>>90083562
>>90083548
How are Damianfags taking that?

>>90083548
Now he's going to trigger Dick and Damian fans.

>>90083685
Damian is Dick's heir in every way that matters so I don't think anyone should mind

>>90083685
probably posting scans of Robin War

>>90083704
I thought Damian was actually Jason's illegitimate child from Talia

>>90083739
dlete

>>90083531

Wait, which part of the quote is having a meltdown?

>>90083700
Serve them right for being annoying bunch.

>>90077019
Who gives a shit about the New 52 Batfamily?

>>90083548
>>90083562

King is a true troll

>>90077019
Bait

>>90083798
Obviously
>Doesn't even include Azrael
King can't read comics.

>>90077106
Or Stephanie. But wait, he has fucking Kate beating Helena, a world class secret agent who didn't quit the military for lesbianism, Jason fuckin' Todd, who is a league of assassins trained former robin, and Tim Drake, a genius who has survived battles with the Legion of doom and the Crime Syndicate.

>>90077066
This is what I think. Its all NuBatfamily. Kate, Duke, Harper don't exist in my Pre-flashpoint Bat Bunch. As far as I'm concerned Snyder, Tynion and King can't drive this shit into the ground fast enough.

>>90083860
I like to think he ignores 'Tec, but he also put Kate so damn high. And why is Duke even the fuck on there. Harper isn't.

>>90077019
Kings run has been shit, but it'll sell no matter what soley because of the batman name. He could have 3 pages of content and the rest just blank white pages and it would still be #1 or 2 most sold book every month

>>90083979
He also didn't count Luke.

>>90084065
It's getting dangerously close to 90k, but the robins showing up and the button crossover especially will give it a boost.

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>>90077019
I can't believe such an LGBT PoC group of characters can be so good at fighting! How progressive!

>>90084065
go away tzitzimine

>>90079762
And his temper

Why does anyone think Tim would win in a one-on-one fight against anyone else on that list?

He has ALWAYS been known as the brain-y one, not the brawn-y one.

>>90084532
He should at least be able to beat the teen mom

>>90084073
Luke has power armor. Wouldn't that just be crazy unfair?

>In hand-to-hand combat
1. Cassandra.
2. Bruce.
3. Jason.
4. Dick.
5. Damian.
6. Kate.
7. Barbara.
8. Tim.
9. Alfred
10. Harper.
11. Steph.
12. Duke.

>>90084671
Jasonfag pls

>>90084126
We can dream, but who would replace him? Tynion.

>>90084532
Brainy compared to Dick and Jason. He's the leader of the titans and as mentioned above, he's beaten demons, the evil JL, and is one of only four robins on that list.

He should be five on any list behind Bruce, Cass, Dick and Jason in no particular order.

>>90084588
Just like Tim is no longer his Crisis self, Stpeh isn't teen mom. Teen mom steph was a robin trained by Bruce and Dinah.

>>90084671
>Still puts Kate at six

fuck off shithead.

>>90084126
>dangerously close

It's still over 100k, even with double-shipping

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-01.html

>>90084671
go away Aahz, jason isn't a good fighter

>>90084671
No

>>90084671
I will put Cass and Damian lower. Otherwise, it is a good list.

>>90084671
I agree with this.

>>90084867
stop samefagging

>>90084671
Damian has beaten Jason easily though

>>90084809
>no cabs or punctuation
Are you the same annoying guy from Injustice threads?

>>90084904
Her name is Damifag and she's apparently a 13 year old girl

>>90077019
I don't even like Tim but this list is retarded.

>>90077019
I love me a bad case of the Stephs but she can't really be more skilled than Tim for crying out loud. Tim is very underrated for having defeated Lady freaking Shiva.

But yes, Dick is better than Bruce. Bruce likely would still pull something out of his ass to win, but on pure skill Dick takes it. Perhaps in the same way Daredevil is more skilled than Cap but Cap is usually considered better.

Anywho, Tim should outrank Steph and Helena. Jason should be above Damian. In fact Jason should be second to Bruce, kid was Judo slamming Bruce on his back when he was 14.

>>90085020
>Jason should be above Damian. In fact Jason should be second to Bruce
lol no, not when Damian wipes the floor with jason in every book

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>>90084883
Thank you for always giving me the chance to BTFO you because it's truly hilarious.

>>90080747

Ducard was a bounty hunter...he didn't learn martial arts from him. What the fuck is King smoking?

>>90085082
I do admit that I oh-so hate that little bitch. So I'm not qualified to speak about the edgelord.

>>90085090
>phone posting proving anything

>>90085265
>jasonfags btfo

>>90083548
>>90083562

How does that make any sense? He seems like the least likely heir. He's also the most normal person and probably the least devoted.

>>90085265
Has King just been a hack that's gotten lucky this whole time?

>>90085294

>>>90085291

>>90085315
>implying I like Jason
He should have stayed dead.

>>90077019
the guy that trained for years with different masters is less skilled than Dick?

what the fuck
even if Bruce trained Dick he wouldn't have the time to teach all the stuff he knows to him

>>90080494
Nice respect for Barbara.

>>90085162
You aren't wrong, dude.

Jason and Damian only fought twice in N52. One in B&R where Jason wasn't even in the mood to fight him and the second was in RW where Damian sucker punched Jason and Tim, but struggled against freaking Duke. It's pretty much a PIS moment.

Jason wiped the floor with Damian in pre n52.

I'm enjoying Trollmode Tom.

>>90077506
except no one has a problem with Cassandra being at the top

even Damian should be above Dick, he was trained since childhood by the league of assassin

>>90085345
>Damian sucker punched Jason and Tim
Sucker punched Tim, Jason actually came at him but still got fucked.
>but struggled against freaking Duke
He didn't know how much Duke could take since he literally just met the guy and didn't want to kill him, he knew Jason and Tim could take what he dished out but not Duke.

>>90085265
King, my man. Step away from twitter before you damge your reputation any farther.