Are there any comics with fascist aesthetics?

>>90076283
>>90076283
so mussolini knew he was the bad guy right? because that cannot be your base if you're a good guy.

I really wish someone would make a graphic novel of 1984

>>90076283
There's Maus, the comic about a Jew in Nazi Germany (told in athro to slightly lighten the dark real story)

Our love is Real, the story of a military enforcer who stops his dog fucking ways when he fells in love with a beautiful mineral fucker.

Empress, the queen of an all powerful emperor runs away with her children. It doesn't it doesn't show the fascist aesthetic as much as you might want since it focuses on the ones on the run not the empire chasing them.

>>90076340
The worst thing mussolini did was fuck up the Ethiopians with chemical weapons. Well, that and be a total bitch to hitler.

He was actually quite frank about his intent as a dictator, even outright admitting he killed a reporter that talked shit about the fascist party

Their fucking moto was "I don't give a damn"

V for Vendetta and Maus are first to spring to mind

Try anything by Frank Miller.

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>you will never live in the duce's Roma in oppressive tank houses, wearing black fashion, and shining your nice boots with the blood of socialist revolutionaries

Why even live

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>>90077004
>you will never have a nice italian coffee with the other police state meatheads, arrest dissenters, melt Africans in acid, and then have a pleasant walk by the Mediterranean coastline with your qt Italo fash gf while your children get taught how to stomp skulls at school

WHY EVEN FUCKING LIVE

>>90077093
>melt Africans in acid
Excuse me what? I never heard of Italy doing this to Ethiopia

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>you will never be a fashionable fashie

>>90077130
What did you think chemical weapons did, man?

Cerebus the Aardvark spends about 100 issues in the fascist Cirinist state.

>>90077004
>>90077093
>>90077132
Stick to comics, please.

>>90076283
Man fascist art is the fucking worst. They can't do anything right.

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SIEG ZEON
SIEG ZEON
SIEG ZEON
SIEG ZEON

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>>90076283
Block 109.

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>ywn be /fa/ af nazi with a soothing voice purging degenerates and traitors and taking your son out fishing teaching him to purge degenerates and traitors
I don't know why I even live

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>>90077004
>>90077093
>>90077132
>>90077389
Do you really have nothing better to do?

>>90077148
Not that anon, but to me, chemical weapons generally means things like hazardous gases or toxic pollutants, not something like face-melting acids.

>>90077148
I thought you meant mustard gas or chlorine gas

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>>90077389

>>90077351
Whut?

>>90076283
>vs YHWH.jpg

>>90077351
I wonder if this assassin realized that he made everything worse by killing him in front of thousands of fervent supporters.

>>90077665
We already know how that story ends, so making him a martyr (something that was true when Hitler died for real) wouldn't change things for the worse. The real issue is that Hitler, despite being a great figurehead, was a fucking awful leader tactically who directly led to the loss of the Axis powers. But then if he was gone, maybe the end of the war wouldn't have East Berlin and West Berlin as a result. But then maybe Germany's guilt over its past wouldn't be as strong since it didn't come with direct consequences to its people.

History is complicated.

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>tfw third wheel
>tfw only thing in the last few years to appreciate how aesthetic imperial japan was fucking kill la kill

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>>90077583
Block 109 is about the aftermath of Hitlers assassination and nuclear war between Germany, Russia and US. A bit like Punisher the End.

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>>90077985

>>90077239
t. Commie

>>90076283
>SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI
What did he mean by this?

>>90078448
Yes.

>>90078448
Si means Yes. So translating Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes. It should convince you to support him.

>>90078448
>SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI SI
>S -I SI S -I SI S-I SI S -I SI S- I
>ISIS
terrorists confirmed

>>90077772
The page says 1941, Germany was still winning at that point and Hitler's failures as a war leader weren't apparent since the Operation Barbossa invasion hadn't happened yet for him to make them. Also I just looked up what 22 mars 1941 meant in burger and this happened on the Brussel's bombing.

>>90076303
The Nazis also looked cartoonishly evil. Fascists have a good eye for fashion and aesthetics.

>>90078078
What's the third flag in the background, Austria?

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>>90077093
>melt Africans in acid
Ehh, not really.

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Is there any piece of fiction (/co/, /a/, /m/, /lit/, /tv/, etc) that portrays the Nazis as good guys or was Jojo's Bizarre Adventure the first?

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>>90077306
SIEG ZEON

>>90078692
I'm sure there where plenty of German fiction that did that before and doing the war, so no.

>>90078692
Stalingrad and Operation Valkyrie are sort of like that. Although the second was a betrayl against Hitler and Stalingrad was just shitty for everyone involved and didn't really paint anyone as villains except for the fanatic Nazi generals.

>>90078640
See, what you see as evil, they saw as a necessary expression of power and oppression, oppression in the utilitarian sense of actually pressing the population down into subservience because why would you fuck with the guys with skull hats?

>>90078769
Before and during is propaganda, it doesn't count

Let's say from 1950 - modern day for argument's sake

>>90078640
>>90078805
There has to be an element of retrospective distortion to it.
Fascist imagery has been used as a shorthand for evil for decades now, we're all a bit indoctrinated.

>>90077772

You're just proving >>90077351's point. Hitler becoming a martyr when he died for real didn't matter much because by then Germany had clearly lost and most Germans were probably strongly rethinking this Third Reich thing. Making him a martyr before Germany had the chance to make all the blunders you mentioned could result in an industrious, fanatical Axis that *didn't* trip over its own feet.

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>>90078809

Do you have any minimum level of notability or public approval for this fiction? Because there's been plenty of independently "published" Neo-Nazi comics, music, and video games.

>>90078448
It's the Italian dub of the Younger D'Arby fight.

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>>90078918
On one hand it's true, on the other hand (the original version of) fascism explicitly advocates action for the sake of action, glorification of violence, and "not caring".
They chose black, they chose red and they chose stark symbols because, in opposition to the calm before, they wanted to be perceived as threatening and violent.
They wanted to be wolves in wolf's clothing.

For the first time you had heads of state loudly advocating people's death in front of a crowd.

They WANTED to be perceived as "bad" in that sense. Only later, when they seized power and were in governments they also used calming propaganda for the elderly, women and ordinary people.

they knew what they were doing with the skulls, the daggers, the torches, the black and the square angular looks.

A fascist laughs and doesn't care before violence.
This of course is perceived as straight-up "evil" nowadays. But with the current climate things may change.

>>90078661
Kingdom of Italy.

>>90078918
I'm almost convinced that people wouldn't give as much of a fuck about the Nazis as they do, if it wasn't for how the dressed and designed things.
Almost to the point where I would say it was one of the reasons that they got power in the first place.
Today we look back at their designs and dress as "bad", but back then it was big, and had panache. It showed the strength and order. A government that not only could, but would protect its people from any threat, external, or internal.

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>>90076283
>I found the actual comics in a smaller section. I got embarrassed just being in the store after a few minutes and grabbed a copy of The Punisher after quickly thumbing through it; I paid and left. When I got back to my car and took the time to actually read it--I was shocked. Not because of the violence, which was so intense it would make hack director Quentin Tarantino blush, but the amount of red pills sprinkled throughout the story. A dindu with gold plated teeth made a white hooker give him a blowjob and then he killed her in a fit of rage. A former SWPL turned junkie was “turned out” and anal raped by a pack of dindu hoods. Commentary about the softness of society, law enforcement’s failure at deterring crime and the ugliness and immorality of criminality were peppered throughout the comic. And, throughout the story, the Punisher eviscerated thugs, rapists and lawbreakers with a mix of righteous violence and hardcore gore. As Ta-Nehisi Coates would say, the Punisher stood on a mound of mutilated black bodies. I’m not a comic book fan, but after reading it, I felt a deep sense of adoration and admiration for Marvel’s one-man right wing death squad.

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/06/01/marvels-cold-blooded-fascist/

>>90079299
It wasn't calm before, it only happens when there is so much social and civic strife there's not much option other than to turn to extreme politics to try and fix it.

>>90079460
I get where he's coming from, but Frank kills people because of their crimes, not their color. If most of the people who commit those crimes turn out to be black, so be it.

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>>90079460
>Intellectual commentary on the Punisher has addressed the character’s psychological temperament (as a general rule, the Punisher seems at his most insane whenever he meets another superhero and argues over their position on the death penalty) and his role in the Marvel universe. But politically, the Punisher is, like fascism, completely reactionary. He falls in the same realm as the stories about Vietnam veterans, much like John Rambo, who were abandoned by their own country and who brought the war (and trauma) back home. The Punisher is also a natural reaction to the failure of crime that plagued our cities in the 1970s and 1980s and is a natural fit to the heroes of such outstanding films as Dirty Harry and Death Wish--both films which were labeled as fascist at the time of their release.
>Make no mistake though, liberals despise the Punisher, even if they somewhat agree with his purpose. Empire’s Owen Wilson illustrates this hidden appreciation for Frank Castle by writing in January of this year, “Commentators often like to call him "morally ambiguous". There's nothing ambiguous about him: he's a reprehensible fascist. What's ambiguous is our response to him, which treads that queasy line between repugnance and the visceral knee-jerk satisfaction of seeing bad guys shot in the face.” Most Punisher comics strive for a realism and appear to approve the Punisher’s actions, which rankles many shitlib fanboys. For instance, Marc DiPaolo--his book is quoted at the beginning of this piece--finds racist suggestions in the Punisher comics as a whole and, “No matter how many Waspish U.S. senators he assassinates for political corruption, the Punisher seems most ecstatic when he breaks into a warehouse and begins machine gunning legions of Italians, Japanese ninjas, and nonwhite foes with gold teeth.”

>>90078918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

>>90078448
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/headquarters-fascist-party-1934/

>
The building in the picture is Palazzo Braschi in Rome, the headquarters of the Fascist Party Federation (the local one, not the national Party headquarters). It was not always covered up like that; this set-up was displayed for the 1934 elections, in which Italians were called to vote either for or against the Fascist representatives list. The “SI SI…” lettering (meaning “Yes Yes…”) was propaganda for one of the two plebiscite elections held during the Fascist Regime, where electors didn’t vote for individual parties (there wasn’t any but the Fascist one), neither for single candidates, but just voted “Yes” or “No” to a single list of candidates presented by the Duce himself.
>

>>90078080
At least the commies tried something new. Fash stuff either rips off Rome (ironically, as it was the ur-multicultural empire) or is some hideous fuck-up like Mussolini's abortion up top or that stupid city Hitler tried to make.

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>>90076283

>>90079741
New doesn't necessarily mean good anon.

That said, there are some very nice Soviet buildings out there.

>>90078692
Part 2 didn't really portray the nazis as good guys, they just had them as secondary characters.

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>>90076283
My little Camerata, don't you know le Pinocchiate fascistissime?

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>>90077478
He doesn't realize half of these are ironic

>>90079905
Zepeli's nazi friend was portrayed sympathetically, Stroheim made a heroic sacrifice and even came by with backup for Jojo against Kars

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>>90076283
"Objectivist" my ass

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>>90076283
Sonichu

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>>90078746
SIEG ZEON

>>90080010
I guess he means in the sense that they were heroes or whatever. They just weren't 100% monsters like we're comfortable with

>>90079644
So basically that's Mussolini Obama Hope poster.

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>>90080397

>>90076283
I didn't know Daniel Bryan was part of Fascist Italy

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>>90080502
>>90078746
GLORY TO THE PRINCIPALITY OF ZEON
GLORY TO THE SUPERIOR RACE

>>90076763
>he killed a reporter
he killed a lot more of people.
Also I think you're confusing with the deputy Matteotti, which at the time he never stated to have killed but it was clear as the water he was the sender. Worst thing is that that event helped him to cement his position.

>>90076283
>Alpha, Rita's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude.

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>>90076283
there are people who see this and think

>facists are the GOOD guys!

>>90080714
Eye of the beholder my dear friend

>>90080526
Obama's HOPE poster is a good example of fascist aesthetics.
But no one gives a shit because he magically started loving gays and minorities during his 2nd term.

>>90080010
Jojo literally says he would be friends with Stroheim if he wasn't a nazi.

>>90080714
Fascism is an attitude, not a team or movement.

>>90080714
No, they think fascists are the tough guys the country needs to get it's shit together and maintain the peace.

American politics really fucked up people's perception of reality, nobody should want to be the good guy, everyone wants to be the we exist and don't want any trouble or else guys. It's just americans that have this fucked up Marxist perception of being the good guys.

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>>90080714
Italy was in such a shithole that they didn't really give a shit as long as he fixes their economy

>>90080769
reminds of that Earth X page where the Watcher explains that Magneto choose to call his group "The Evil Brotherhood" in order to force the X-men to be the good guys and put pressure on them

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>>90080769
Well, I'm American and I just want to be left to my own devices, but you fuckers keep dragging me into the shit discourse.

>>90080714
I don't understand myself. Fascist didn't fixed economy nor did they safeguard their country. Fascist countries were the most corrupt of all.
The idea of facism is war.

>>90076283
NOT A FARMER.

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>>90080874
>fascism didn't fix the economy

Did uh

Did you miss the whole Germany becoming a superpower out of deep financial ruin part of history class?

Even mussolini helped the economy in Italy and modernized the country.

The problem is they fucked up later by going to war.

>>90080992
That's an oversimplification

What they did was create bubbles that they were able (or should have been able) to sustain by going to war.

>>90080992
Damn it, I keep hearing his voice whenever someone posts Rogan.

>>90080874
>Fascist didn't fixed economy nor did they safeguard their country.

They modernized their countries and killed their communist revolutionaries.

Go read up on the gulag archipelago, fascism saved western Europe from that horrific nightmare.

>>90079299
You realize that the skulls where used by every army in the area to signify that they were dead men walking right? It was a willingness to die for their home.

>>90080970
Kek

>>90081043
>Go read up on the gulag archipelago, fascism saved western Europe from that horrific nightmare.

...by allowing the USSR to expand it's influence into central Europe for 50 years through a bloody war that shifted the power of Europe to the United States?

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>>90081043
>fascism saved western Europe from that horrific nightmare.

...

>>90076283
V for Vendetta, Judge Dredd, The Filth, The Invisibles.

>>90077478
THis image is fantastic

>>90080714
Everyone who posts in /pol/ is human shit

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>all these triggered tumblr users

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>>90077985
>third wheel
hello

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Posting this here for any potential wehraboos

>>90081425
Franco deliberately pussyfooted around WW2 after getting into power. If you want to call him the third wheel, at least call him a willing third wheel.

>>90081515
winners write the history, losers become monsters.

>>90081127
>Implying 52 ovens can cremate 1.1 million bodies over three years
>Implying you can herd a thousand people a day into a room designed to kill them with only two armed guards at the door
>Implying the only four major "death camps," Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Belzec, weren't all "discovered" by the Soviets
>Implying that in the latter three cases, you can dispose of two million bodies in one year without any cremation ovens at all by burning them on pyres

In any case, Stalin killed over three million people as political undesirables and Mao killed over four million, and that's excluding the tens of millions who died of famine in both states. The Weimar Republic was terminally ill and Stalin was gearing for war - Without Nazi Germany, Europe and from there the entire world would have fallen under Communist rule. Regardless of what you think of Hitler, the "Free World" as we know it today wouldn't have existed without him.

I'm a lightweight, but the stuff that /co/ has shown me that fits the best is Judge Dread.

There's also that one alternate history WW2 comic, that has Nazi Superscience beefcakes fashionably smashing everything in Europe.

>>90076303
Too simple. He wanted to project the idea of modernity and power. The ruling attitude was clearly headed towards war, and peace and love for everyone would just get you and your nation killed.

He was also opposed to the power of the Church, and wanted iconic images to go head to head with the Catholics.

>>90076452
>Our love is Real,
>Dogfucking
>Mineral fucking.
Oh god. Somebody should show /pol/ that.

>>90078448
>Bueno Bueno Bueno.

>>90079159
What's the high water mark either in notability or in quality?

>>90079299
>For the first time you had heads of state loudly advocating people's death in front of a crowd.
You're thrust is generally right, but this point is way off. Avoiding advocating for murder is a new and novel invention.

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>>90077478
Guess what. Sometimes people just like an aesthetic without adopting the politics behind it.

Do people who like art deco in Bioshock automatically agree with objectivism?

>>90081639
>Holocaust denier

My own great-grandfather was murdered in a concentration camp and I personally know a holocaust survivor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

>>90081825
I don't think he wanted to say that when someone like the aesthetic of policy he immediatly is part of it. He just said that there are some idiots here who stll revere this madness.
I for example think the Black sun and the swatika very beatiful and I'm far from a Nazi as it gets

>>90081870
So you're telling me that the germans exterminated every single jew to a hundred thousand in europe and in 9 years that number grew back to nine million? Because the pre-war estimates puts the jewish community in what would become nazi controlled europe at just about 6 million.

>>90081956
What estimates?

>>90081979

http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1941_1942_9_Statistics.pdf

>>90081515
>Stalin killed more
Well, they're not wrong.

>>90082031
To quote Wikipedia:
Jewish population

One Holocaust denial argument is the comparison of the population of Jews before and after the Holocaust. They state that the 1940 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 15,319,359, while the 1948 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 15,713,638. They therefore claim that either the figures are wrong, or the Holocaust, meaning the deaths of millions of Jews, cannot have happened to any extent similar to the claimed 6 million. Ken McVay writes:

Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac. The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491. In 1949, however, the World Almanac gives a revised 1939 population of 16,643,120 giving a difference of between 1938 and 1947 of 5,376,520. Where the extra population between 1938 and 1939 came from is not cited, though one might speculate that it was based upon the Nazi estimates made in 1942 for the Wannsee Conference. Despite the apparent exactness of the numbers listed, the World Almanac warns that all numbers listed are estimates.[98]

>>90082137
Other sources confirm similar numbers—and earlier than the 1949 World Almanac—for the Jewish population before and after the war. The 1932 American Jewish Yearbook estimate the total number of Jews in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000." These numbers are also consistent with the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Appendix III, in 1946.

Is anyone else watching ACCA right now? That show's aesthetic is fashwave af

>>90082162
>American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
Do tell, how did they come up with this number which contradicts every other number? I would like to know how the nazis broke the laws of physics and space to somehow burn human bodies in an hour and produce smoke from them.

>>90081870
Hey! You just got totally baited! It is time for you to stop posting!

>>90082220
Ok. You are right.

>>90081870
If he died of starvation or illness at the end of the war, when the German economy and supply network was shot to the point where even non-prisoners were dying by the millions, then I have no reason to doubt you. If you say he died in a gas chamber (Or on the masturbating machines, or on the electrified plate at Belzec, or on the "Holocoaster" that pitched live Jews into a furnace at Auschwitz) then I do have reason.

>>90082311
>the "Holocoaster"
I don't know why, but I laughed at that, more than I should have.

>>90080970
Came here for this,wasn't disappointed

>>90081956
You are aware that the 6 million figure comes from Adolf Eichmann, which by his own admission was an estimate and took into account that a significant portion were not killed in camps but by neglect?

>Approximately 4 million Jews had been killed in the various concentration camps, while an additional 2 million met death in other ways, the major part of which were shot by operational squads of the Security Police during the campaign against Russia

In any case

>Only

>>90080992
Post-WWI Germany was still an industrial powerhouse. Germany was already on the way to recovery when Hitler took over. Plus the gold reserves he took from the countries he annexed (esp. Austria's) also helped quite a bit.

>>90080862
I too used to have this problem until I discovered Sowell and Hoppe.

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>teenagers on tumblr become radical liberals
>become a nazi in response

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>>90079299
Skulls have been used by practically every army in the world as a symbol of loyalty and honor, even in death. In fact, the amount of skull symbols in US military insignias is staggering. Just check this page out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_crossbones_(military)

>>90082992
True, in fact in the Royal Navy it has been common practice since WWI to fly the jolly roger when coming in from a successful mission to signify that it's ungentlemanly warfare.

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>>90082836

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>>90081137
>It took this long to mention Judge Dredd
>It wasn't one of the first five posts
50 years in the cubes, all of you. By Grud you people make me sick

As for other comics that touch on fascism
>Nemesis the Warlock
>Some X-Men comics, mainly ones dealing with Magneto
>Uber
>Lots of early Captain America had him fighting Nazis, as did other comics created around and after WW2
>Early-mid Hellboy had more nazis than Mignolaverse does now
>DC comics starring Darkseid, but he's a big jobber
Fascism as a foe for superheros has fallen out of favor over time, as WW2 gets more distant. There's not as much of it today since the aesthetics, motivations and plots have been very overplayed, I think

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>>90082992
>tfw there is propably an alternate reality where germany has won world war 2 and people wonder how americans could fight under such sinister symbolism

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>>90076283
People always talk about Hitler but Mussolini is comic book villain-tier

>>90083653
I mean skulls are universally associated with death. No allied symbols are.

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>>90083698

>>90082992
I decided to dig out my grandfather's tin of badges and buttons. We just went for crowns for obvious reasons.

>>90083698
I always find Missioni to be a rather amusing figure to be honest. I've wondered what would have happened if he had decided to ally with Britain and France instead of Hitler, probably would have ended up like Portugal's Salazar.

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>>90083785
Not a bad Luthor

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>>90083710
Did you even check the linked wikipedia page

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Achtung, mein friends! Vat ein lovely thread you have! Ich vuld be und shame if I vere to occupy it! Just so ve can defeat ein russian shitpuster, you unterstand!

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>>90083852

>>90080741
explain.

Not that i'm disagreeing per se, but you need to unpack your definition of Fascist Aesthetics for me to get this.

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>>90083884

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>>90083811
Also, *Mussolini sorry I'm drunk. Have a fascist handkerchief to wipe away the blood of your enemies.

>>90083823
The SS was a very prominent part of the german military, to such an extend that they could be seen as the face of their military.
None of the other examples in link comes even close to that in how prominent they where, with maybe the exception of the deaths head hussars. Most people outside of their respective military won't even have heard about those divisions, let alone ever seen their emblem.

>>90079159
Is... This isn't fucking R. Crumb, is it?

>>90076283
What is a facist aesthetic exactly?
Mussolini getting swole and wearing a polo shirt?

>>90077389
Too bad his son dies
>>90077503
MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

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>>90080714
Yeah we would never do anything like that!
Propaganda is propaganda what looks inspiring to one may look terrifying to the opposition.

>>90081284
You post on the same website as /pol/ what does that say about you?
That you are just slightly better than them?
Congrats you aren't an asshole but you are a taint.

>>90084540
The hope poster isn't really terrifying, but it is definitely propagandist. Pretty much anything that is just a picture of a person with a certain word below is designed to make you associate that word with that person.
It doesn't tell you what he stands for, or how his views are the same as yours. It simply says that Obama=Hope. Combined with the red, white, and blue colors it shows you that he's a man for the people/country, without telling you what he actually stands for.

>>90084692
And the Irony that the government shit on its creator hard after the election.

>>90084569
You use the same planet as ISIS does.
Congrats, you're almost as bad as ISIS.

>>90084692
>that he's a man for the people/country, without telling you what he actually stands for

Yep got him elected on flowery rhetoric of Hope n Change.

And nearly a decade later when nothing had changed. Folks decided to back the outsider who wanted to break the system.

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>>90077503

>>90084868

:And nearly a decade later when nothing had changed

Well, unemployment went down, crime went down, we reduced the number of US troops in foreign war zones, a bunch of people got health insurance, and so on. But, yeah, 8 years after a black guy got elected, the people who were scared of him elected someone completely unqualified, but white.

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>>90083528

The way /pol/ has changed the site culture is really disgusting. Bunch of over-sensitive faggots who insert politics into everything. I miss when 4chan was "for the lulz" instead of "for the fuhrer".

>>90085024
>crime went down

But crime has been going down since the 90s...

And unfortunately has been going up in light of recent events

>>90079619
Came here to post this.

>>90082749
Germany was recovering under Stresemann but the few Chancellors before Hitler were absolute messes. The two before him lasted only a few months each and the one before them was incredibly incompetent, lowering unemployment pay during the fucking Great Depression of all times.

>>90083528
Jesus that's painfully accurate.

>inb4 "But at least I'm not a RUDE Nazi >:("

>>90084868
>And nearly a decade later when nothing had changed.
That's complete horseshit. Without him I'd be paying a whole year's worth of money for a week of my medicine. Don't you know how fucking expensive Lialda is when no insurance will take you?

>>90085024
As someone who think Trump is stupid, and Obama was an okay president; you're fucking retarded.
Most of those thing can't even be directly attributed to his presidency.
First of all, crime has steadily been going down for fucking ages.
Second, the latest financial crisis happened just before he became president. With 8 fucking years to do it, it's unsurprising that the marked started to grow again, with or without his involvement.
Third, removing troops from a country that didn't need them anymore isn't that big of an accomplishment, especially when you just send them to some other place instead.
Healthcare I'll give you.
But besides healthcare, most of those things either aren't seen as something Obama did, or it didn't have enough of an effect on the people, so they didn't see the change that he had promised. So instead they went and voted on the next guy who promised change. Only a small fraction of Trumps voters care about his race, and most care about his message, the same message that Obama had, change.
If you want to win in American politics, just say you'll change things, either from how they are, or to how they where. It's not like you actually have to do it.

>>90085055
Nothing has changed after all /pol/ is just retirement home for former /b/tards

>>90085530
Yeah no that doesn't explain all those new phoneposters that's gathered there.

>>90084692
>The hope poster isn't really terrifying
It's exactly the kind of iconography as used by Maoist China and North Korea.
Here are some better examples

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>>90083528
>>90082836
>>90080678

>>90084754
The difference between you and me is I don't give a fuck about /pol/ or ISIS
But you can't even see text on /co/ you disagree with without devolving into a fit crying about /pol/

>>90085613
I never mentioned /pol/. You did.

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>>90084540
hold up nigga, obamamama in red white and blue isnt really on the same level and the GIANTIC OMNIOUS LOOKING STONE FACE OVERLOOKING THE FASCIST HEADQUARTERS WITH THE WORD "YES" PRINTED REPEATEDLY IN THE BACKGROUND

i understand the concept of relativism and different points of view, but ya cant show me the eye of mordor and tell me it looks innocuous

>>90085461
>Second, the latest financial crisis happened just before he became president. With 8 fucking years to do it, it's unsurprising that the marked started to grow again, with or without his involvement.
But the fact of the matter is that he was involved. Trump is even reversing some of the laws Obama put in place that helped keep that crisis in check (the thing where businesses weren't allowed to lie about where their retirees could make their investments).

In fact you could make a very strong argument that a lot of people have been intentionally misinformed about what Obama had done. You say you give that anon healthcare, sure, but how many people who hate "Obamacare" are people who don't realize it's the same as the "Affordable Healthcare Act" that they love to be on? A combination of the Democrats not communicating properly and the Republicans intentionally distorting any action made has contributed to our current environment.

Also,

>First of all, crime has steadily been going down for fucking ages.

A lot of Trump's rhetoric is based on playing with the misconception that the precise opposite is true, so that would explain why anon mentioned it.

He also didn't mention social issues that Obama's administration has had a hand in affecting such as repealing DADT and legalizing gay marriage, although I suppose that's because he anticipated that issues of gay rights is seen as "beneath" most anons' time and attention because it's SJW shit or whatever.

>>90083528
Someone post the Ancap ones. Those are the best.

>>90085559
this tread is bait

>>90082067
its not a contest

>>90076303
>>90078640

Most of what we consider "cartoonishly evil" was influenced by Nazis and Fascists.

>>90085740
The lack of communication is mostly what I meant. A lot people aren't seeing the change, because not much is said about it, and it's often very minute, at least to the average person, that they don't feel it, or see it as something that has happened directly because of his involvement.
When it comes to the gay marriage, I think most people think it's okay, but it's not what they're voting for specifically, because it's not what effects them directly.
Again, I think he was an okay president, who did some good things, but he was no where near the man of hope and change that he was advertised as. He'll most likely not go down in history as anything besides the first black man to be president, which is an accomplishment of the people, and not him.

>>90080741
Yeah its funny how people gloss over that. Plastering your face everywhere is a staple of authoritarianism.

But its an important distinction that that shit didn't continue once he was actually elected.

>>90085867
Never said it was. But simply stating the fact that Stalin killed more people doesn't make you a nazi either.
It's not followed by "so Hitler's actions are okay."

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>>90085024
>Well, unemployment went down,
only because
A. people picked up more part time, low wage jobs
and
B. if you stop receiving unemployment benefits and stop looking for work, you are statistically counted as employed, which skews all the statistics.

the service sector grew. but a mcjob does NOT grow the economy and does not help overall employment. the REAL employment we need is labor. construction, factory work, manufacturing, THAT is what we need. That is what made the economy prosperous in the first place.

>crime went down,
it's been going down for decades. It's been going down since the 90's. Part of it is better security technology, part of it is also changes to law enforcement started under conservative local governments. People forget that New York city was cleaned up by Giuliani.

>we reduced the number of US troops in foreign war zones,
he pulled troops out without a long term strategy, causing a power vacuum to form, and allowing Isis to rise to fill it. he campaigned on pulling out of iraq, where since the fall of Saddam, we were the local strongman. So since he had to fulfil his campaign promise, and it was easy to do, he pulled out despite security advisors warning him not to. And so Isis filled the role of local strongman, where Al-Quaeda had weakened, and in general was more of an old-school militant group with a traditional structure.

>a bunch of people got health insurance,
at the cost of other people. Sure, more people have coverage. but you know who pays for their miraculous new coverage? Everyone else who's premiums suddenly went up.

It's the same scam as getting free healthcare as an illegal. You get coverage, someone else helps pay for it.

some people also lost the coverage they already had, despite promises of "keeping your doctor"

>But, yeah, 8 years after a black guy got elected, the people who were scared of him elected someone completely unqualified, but white.
the majority of Trump's voting base was the Clinton/Obama base

>>90086049
>He'll most likely not go down in history as anything besides the first black man to be president
There is literally no way the history books will forget about Obamacare. The fact that he broke America out of the way healthcare and insurance used to work is unspeakably important, even if it doesn't stick the way he implemented it.

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>>90085055

/pol/ was always 'for the fuhrer' but you could tell they were just trying to push edgy humour to the limit. Now most of them take themselves too seriously and think they are really memeing for a cause. That if they don't stop 'redpilling' the western world will fall by betification or something.

If you saw South Park's (admittedly shitty) season 20, there Kyle's dad was being a troll just 'because it's funny' while other Troll thought he was 'taking revenge on the world' and 'having a cause'. Though first the Troll takes the moral high ground, both of them are assholes and 'having a reason' doesn't make you better.

>>90086158
do you think a hundred years from now, Obamacare is going to be talked about in the same way we talk about say, Social Security or The Great Society? A minor tweak to the system that basically just forced people to have healthcare, and will be repealed, if not replaced?

Obama will, in the LONG term, simply be remembered as the first black president, and that's it. he has no great achievements, unless you count allowing ISIS to form, but most people can't really distinguish one islamic terror group from the next, and we've been fighting it for the past decade and a half already, so probably not. people's minds blur over the details regarding the War on terror.

>>90085055
/pol/ is the new /r9k/: a hive for underaged Reddit crossposters.

>>90086059
That is because Obama was lacking in any of the life experience needed to be anywhere near tricky presidents like Nixon and Johnson much less like Hitler

He had big unrealistic dreams for a guy who was around 50 years old

>>90086131
>the majority of Trump's voting base was the Clinton/Obama base
this is something that can not be overstated enough.

Hillary LOST the same counties that both Bill and Obama had won.

>>90085530
>>90085559
>>90086360
>/pol/ is 30-somethings teaming up with teen-somethings to shitpost harder than ever

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is this a stealth fashwave thread?

>>90086464
this

>>90086408
She also had the genius idea of using her massive advantage in funding to register mexicans in texas and california out of the belief she could both flip Texas and get an even bigger win than Obama in 2008. Then she lost because she didn't take Trump's campaigning in Wisconsin seriously. Hilarious.

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>>90086464

trying to pin /pol/ down to a certain group of people is impossible given its amount of users that visit it, pretty sure it's one of the most active ones at least

/co/ is stupid.

>>90085596
Assmad Feddie detected.

>>90086408
It really says something when someone is so unpopular that people would rather vote for someone who is far less "qualified" for the job, simply because he's less seedy.

>>90086472
>fashwave
>no japs

>>90086502
she outright ignored advice that Bill tried to give the campaign about now ignoring the rust belt states he won in. He specifically told them they should increase their presents in those states, and they ignored him. I just cant get over how far up their asses Hillary's campaign team had to be to ignore advice from Bill fucking Clinton, a guy who managed to magically flip red states blue when he ran

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>>90086541
>japs

hows this

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>>90077004
>>90077093
>You will never get killed by the british along with the crew of your shitty tank
Yes, those where goods time indeed

>>90086317
>do you think a hundred years from now, Obamacare is going to be talked about in the same way we talk about say, Social Security or The Great Society?
Yeah.

Universal health care is pretty fucking huge.

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This thread is idiotic

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>>90086624
Goodshit my friend.

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>/pol/ is 90% brown people according to hwndu
>/co/ is all white virgin males in their 30s

White privilege is being able to consider yourself superior to communities you've never understood

>>90086688
>Universal health care is pretty fucking huge.
are you from an alternate reality? Or just fucking stupid

>>90086749
trying to pin down the communities that visit /co/ and /pol/ is stupid given that they're both pretty active boards

>>90080769
>No, they think fascists are the tough guys the country needs to get it's shit together and maintain the peace.

well thats a bit more understandable, tough certainly i dont agree with it

>>90086756
There is no substance to your rejection that universal health care is a big deal. The only explanation is that you're too young or stupid to remember just how bad healthcare used to be.

>>90086733
WOW! Great input, my friend! This thread was doomed without your enlightened presence.

>>90086688
It is huge. But only if it gets to stick. Lincoln wouldn't have gone down as the guy abolishes slavery if the law had just been repealed a year or two later, and would instead have been the precedent who tried to abolish slavery that one time, and got shot for it.

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>>90086736
/pol/ has occasional fashwave threads.

if nothing else, they are great for images like that

>>90086826
but there was no universal healthcare you retard.

Single payer was what he WANTED to implement, but the ACA is far from "universal healthcare".

all it really is is a government run healthcare marketplace, and a mandate forcing people to have insurance or be fined.

Universal Healthcare is what most of Europe has

>>90086131
NYC anti-crime push was started by Dinkins not Giulani. Rudy fired the first police commissioner because he was getting a lot of the credit.

>>90083815
Was this drawn by Magnus?

>>90085652
>I never mentioned /pol/. You did.
>>90081284
>Everyone who posts in /pol/ is human shit
Are you retarded or trolling?

>>90085690
>hold up nigga, obamamama in red white and blue isnt really on the same level and the GIANTIC OMNIOUS LOOKING STONE FACE OVERLOOKING THE FASCIST HEADQUARTERS WITH THE WORD "YES" PRINTED REPEATEDLY IN THE BACKGROUND
How so?
The eye of Mordor shows us that the lord Sauron watches over us and is keeping us safe from all over the realm.
This shit is relative, if you're a fascist fascist propaganda does look comforting.

>>90086639
and remember: they got WINTER UNIFORMS because night was supposed to be cold, in the desert.

>>90086893
>but there was no universal healthcare you retard.
If you'll notice my earlier post you'll find that I placed emphasis on him shaking up the old health care system. It doesn't matter if whatever he managed to implement is perfect or gets changed, the fact of the matter is he enacted real change that is still being grappled with after he has left office.

>>90087345
I'm not that guy. I'm >>90084754

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>>90084273
Yep.

He's also done similar stories.

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/rcnoa.html

>>90077665
I'm more impressed he managed to get a G43 two years before they were invented.

>>90078448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

>>90077478
Ah fuck man, too real.

>>90085596

Are there any /co/ versions of this stuff?

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DC made this comic years ago. I never read it though. It's probably kind of like enemy ace

>>90083710
The Union Jack is almost universally associated with various degrees of genocide throughout the world.

The Soviet hammer and sickle should invoke far more fear and disgust than a swastika. It should, but it doesn't.

>>90081664
Our love is real always gets a thread during the storytime of pain weekend.

So yeah, i guess it's position there comes from someone getting triggered. I actually kind of like it, but even if you don't there is no way you would put it in the same league as cry for justice or girls

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>>90080769
America, a nation of Kennys

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>>90085690
You have an eye of mordor on your fucking money!