ITT: Cliches That Need to Die

The problem isn't too many love triangles.

The problem is too few harem endings.

>>89976807
This

Along with the Good Guy not being able to kill anyone

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>>89976807
>MC and female friend are childhood friends
>Both have their respective crushes
>Both get over them
>End up together

>>89976807
>>89976839
Oh shit, I love both these anons. What will I do?

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>>89976906
>The childhood friend winning
Not in my Laotian puppet shows.

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>>89976936

>>89976936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs

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>It's a liar revealed episode.

>OP whines about cliches
>never provides alternatives

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>it's a boys vs. girls episode

>>89976954
Is her hair bigger than her entire head?

>>89976906
Didn't that basically only happen in Kim Possible?

>>89977031
Get over it, Doug.

>>89977090
How would a person's hair be smaller than their head?

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>>89976954
>>89976839
No what's worse is
>Seems like it'll be a Harem show
>It's actually not
>Worst girl is only love interest except for one episode when an even worse girl shows up to make her feel insecure
>Best girl isn't even in competition

>>89977119
Not him but it is really fucking annoying and overplayed.

>>89976807
>The broliest bro dies.
>The asshole doesn't.

>fart cloud is any color other than green

>>89977389
>seems like it will be a harem show
>four male main characters
No

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>Character has little sister
>Obnoxious little brat

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>There's only one girl on the team
>She's an unfunny stick in the mud straight man
>OR
>She's only on the team because she's in love with the team leader

>>89977793
How about just
>There's only one girl on the team

>>89978052
One thing I've noticed about Gravity Falls is that with Wendy it seems like they were trying to have her be a second female main character so that Mabel doesn't feel like the token girl, but she does so little so rarely that Mabel ends up the token girl most of the time anyway.

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>>89976807
>antagonist is clearly more skilled than the MC
>MC still wins in the end through determination/power up/love/plot armor
I wish this shit would stop. You see it with Deathstroke vs Batman too.

>>89977090
Her hair is part of her head. How is that logically possible?

>>89978251
Just for the record, I've won a sparring match by simply blocking (because that's all I could do) until my opponent fucked up their shins so much throwing blocked kicks that they could no longer stand.

So yeah, you can beat a more skilled opponent through raw determination (read: a higher pain threshold)

>cheerleaders/popular kids are mean
>cliques existing

This has never happened in real life

>>89976906
>Childhood friends end up together
Why does that trigger people so much? Lifelong friendship with the opposite sex can only go two ways.

>>89976848
>Along with the Good Guy not being able to kill anyone

Except for Spidey and Batman, what heroes even follow this anymore? Even Superman will kill if really forced to.

>>89978251
>You see it with Deathstroke vs Batman too.

What do you mean? Batman is more skilled and should win.

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>>89976839
>harem

>>89977694

Contrary of what anime says, little sisters ARE obnoxious little brats.

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>In ENGLISH, please!?
>Or WHEN are we?
>I should have killed you when I had the chance!
>No, it's only just begun
And other over-used phrases like that.

>>89978879
Oh, how could I forget:
>My name...is...[BLANK]!
>We're not so different, you and I

>>89978879
>In ENGLISH, please!

You'd need to kill the true evil there which is bs technobabble said by a character to sound

>"""""""""""smart""""""""

>Villains being evil because they quote villains from older tv shows and act arrogant all the damn time.

Is it too much to ask for a villain who can make a good evil speech nowadays?

>>89977793
I want to see a mixed-gender party where none of the characters are ever even hinted as love interests for each other

>>89978933
The worst is when it's completely unnecessary. Obviously, if you're discussing a problem about the Large Hadron Collider with a coworker or something, you're probably going to be using technobabble, but if you're giving time-sensitive instructions that can be boiled down to "flip the blue switch", don't go on a huge monologue about magneto reluctance in the turboencabulator.

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>What do you think this is, some sort of cartoon show?

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>>89977088
>Guys are dumb and girls are smart.
>Girls always win.

>Character dies off-screen
>lolnope, they're alive
The shitty thing is that you can't even have a character die off-screen and stay dead anymore, or else the viewers will spend the whole movie/show/whatever waiting for the character to show up again.

>>89977793
Good thing voltron doesn't do that. Well technically there's 2 girls but still

>>89978879
I know they're cliches, but I have a soft spot for:

>after a lot of fighting
>Villain: ENOUGH
>or
>Hero: NO MORE

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>>89979038
>This isn't [type of media] ok? This is real life.

>>89977088
>>89979045
>guys are sexist but only for this episode

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>Something that seems permanent happens to a main/minor character
>Instantly becomes resolved for no reason

>new character shows up
>existing characters act like they've always been friends/family/etc and are super important to everyone
>new character dies same episode/issue or very shortly after into
>big tragic scenes where the existing characters are all devastated like one of them had died and the audience is supposed to care

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>children know how to solve the problem
>the adults are stupid

>>89979301
WELSHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

>The seven deadly sins are personified
>Lust is represented by a woman

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>>89979154
Fucking post revival Futurama.
>in this episode every man is extremely sexist
>in this episode Leela thinks Fry is only dating her for her looks, despite being extremely self conscious about her appearance in every other episode
>in this episode, Amy only likes bad boys
>in this episode, Zoidberg is interested in human women for some reason

>>89977088
It can work if the writers know what their doing.

Spongebob and Sonic Boom are good examples.

>>89977793
>>89978052
Yeah this really needs to die in a fire slowly while it's family watches.

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>>89977088
>>89979045
>Boys vs Girls episode
>Male character and Female character have a competition
>Male character is a main character, Female character is actually an antagonist
>Rest of the cast discusses accomplishments of women while competition goes on
>Male character wins using an all-female team while the Female character's team was all-male
>Episodes ends with everybody unsure if anything was proven, leaning towards a moral of "Men and Women are equals" without outright saying it

>>89980532
This is what kills South Park for me. So many episodes are just the main characters having, like, so much smarter opinions than the adults. Why, these things are so obvious that even children can understamd them!

Of course, these things are the writers viewpoints. Using children to push a viewpoint is one of the cheapest things anyone can do, and the fact that they satirize it in an episode about Starbucks just shows that they have 0 self awareness.

Lately the writing trend has changed to "Stan/Kyle is wrong, the other is right" or just "Cartman makes ridiculous claim to the irritation of Kyle, turns out to be right", which is annoying in its own right, but at least it's not as cheap as the "please think of the children"-esque hackery.

>>89979171
What is Adventure Time?

>>89980920
What shows did this?

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>>89979301

>>89980920
Too specific.

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>>89980920
That's not so bad. Try this
>male versus female episode
>dumb guy initiates it
>they have a competition with several different challenges
>the girls win every single one by far
>the lesson is equality
What's particularly frustrating is that these shows are always aimed at kids. Most kids go through that "other gender has kooties" kind of phase, but few are ever actually sexist (unless if they get it from shitty parents). You can talk about gender inequality in the modern world, but kids aren't responsible for that at all, and doing this "See? Girls aren't weaker, they're actually stronger" can feel really unfair for young boys, who are usually too young to hold values that many progressives consider outdated and misogynist. Or any values at all, for that matter. They're kids.

Granted, this kinda crap in shows is pretty minor compared to other things that can grow resentment towards women in young boys. I can remember quite a few teachers who blatantly favored girls and were extra tough on boys, and this felt like the cruelest injustice anyone ever faced ever. Fortunately I didn't grow up to be pic related, but if there's a new generation of misogynists then I fully blame Gen X for that shit, or even the millennial generation (should it be that far along the line).

>>89981152
Chaotic. Pretty underrated show overall, but the execution of that episode sticks out to me since it seems like it was leaning towards girls being the overall winners, but then the twist of the guy using all females to win against the girl using all males followed by the confusion at the end was really neat.

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>>89980913
>in this episode every man is extremely sexist
Gravity Falls roadside attraction.
It's fucking baffling how much they threw Dipper under the bus. The A-B plot just crashed and burned in this episode. The spider-lady says how easy it is too trick men and Stan feels bad. She's a montser who eats ppl, fuck her. Dipper gets no heads up about Candy. Even when all the girls caught Dipper at the same time, really he had no reason to spazz out.
"Dipper who's this girl!"
"This is my sister's friend, who is acting weird right now. These are some girls I met today."

>>89977031
shut up Doug

>>89976807
Needs more true love triangles, where a loves b, b loves c, and c loves a.

>>89980848
Worse
>Lust is represented by a woman with no sex drive

>>89979154
Fucking South Park

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>I'll [Any incredibly awkward phrase meant to imply death as long as they don't straight up say die or kill] YOU!

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>Shitty pun/joke
>Everyone on screen bursts into laughter, fade to black

>>89982325
>obliterate
>maim
>destroy
>annihilate
>eliminate
>all okay, say it as much as you want
>kill
>THATS TOO FAR SHUT IT DOWN

>>89982325
>Avatar uses words like death and kill
>Korra only uses words like destroy
What happened?

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>>89979301
He was such a regular character!

>>89980913
The writers inability to define Fry and Leela's relationship drove me insane.

Plus they used different takes on this kind of line every episode
>No, no, of course not...but also, yes! Exactly that.

>>89976807
>The big one is stupid, the small one is smart

>>89983353
Why even have them together at the end of Wild Green Yonder if they're just going to revert back to the status quo and delay their relationship until the finale?

Besides needing a cliffhanger to increase demands for a new season. But still, I expect more from those writers.

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>Hero mindlessly plows through countless goons, killing most of them
>Corners bad guy
>I CAN'T KILL YOU BECAUSE THEN I WOULD BE JUST LIKE YOU

>meta jokes in general

>>89982325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJRRR3jKcY

>>89979045

When has this ever happened?

>>89979038
>>89979143

Only time this was done right was in The Incredibles, as they say how the bad guys are going to use lethal force on kids, and are not Saturday morning goofball goons

>>89983436
>/co/ complains about this every thread
>have never once seen it happen
What are you guys even watching/reading?

>>89983632
Avatar

>>89983368
Any inversions of this?

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>>89983459
Meta jokes and episodes depend on what the joke is and how they play well on it.

>>89978879
>Nerd character
>According to my calcuations
>Now if I just calibrate the mainframe
>I've """hacked""" into the system
>High pitched nasally voice
cmon_son.gif

>>89983642
Aang never says that killing Ozai would make him just like him, and he never (At least intentionally, or on screen) kills anyone, though it really does seem like he probably killed Zhao at the end of the season 1 finale.

I'm just using the "Parent+teacher" thing as an example of how the cliche plays out, not as a cliche itself
>Character walks into house
>Sees his mom kissing his teacher
>"YOU'RE KISSING MY TEACHER!?"
>Commercials
>Establishing shot
>Interior shot shows characters in slightly different positions than where we last saw them
>"ARE YOU KISSING MY TEACHER!?"

>Main character is impossibly stupid
I was disappointed when, at the end of the Rick and Morty pilot, Rick basically said that Morty is a huge idiot, but I was pleasantly surprised that he's shown to actually be pretty smart, or at least average, in the rest of the show.

>>89983459
Too general.

Some do it terribly. Others do it great.

>>89984031

He's just book dumb

>>89983888
>Aang never says that killing Ozai would make him just like him
That part is just a /co/ meme
>and he never (At least intentionally, or on screen) kills anyone
Countless mooks are shown in certain death situations, falling to their deaths or getting caught in explosions, you don't notice this because their deaths are glossed over. Zhao at least chose not to be saved

>>89983991
Fucking hate that. Did they just casually walk around during commercials.

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>>89983991
kek

>>89983991
Clarence parodied this by having the fade to black that segways into commericals occur in the middle of the episode

>>89976807
When's the last love triangle you even saw in Western media?

>>89984228

Not him but Star vs is extremely obvious

Also Regular Show

And to a lesser degree Adventure Time

>American school
>no one gets shot

>show takes place in England/Germany/Sweden
>there are white people

>>89982325
To be fair i actually love "I'll send you to the next dimension/shadow realm" as a stupid threat.

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>Show says to be kind and make friends with everyone
>Always end up beating up, banishing the villain(s)

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>Peas are depicted as disgusting
>Not full of country goodness and green pea-ness

>>89985287
that's terrible

>Little white lie that you say to spare someones feelings is just as destructive as a real lie

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>>89985161
>Show says to be kind and make friends with everyone
>Befriends all but two villians

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>Villains sexually harasses one of the female leads to show what an eeeeevil guy he is.

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>>89976807
>Punching bag character snaps
>Made to look like villain

>Asshole character gets called out
>Wants you to sympathize with them

>>89980913
I think Zoidberg was just happy having someone actually like him

>>89985715
>Have no morals
>draw the line at rape or even groping

It's low hanging fruit to make a Villain evil but come on

>>89985392
I was expecting lesbian horse show but that works too

>>89977694
>Character has older sister
>Complete fucking buzzkill

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>>89980848
>lust is an adrogynous guy with no genitals

>>89981173

the joke was so obvious and unfunny. 22 minute set up.

>Jeffrey Dahmer is treated like a bad person

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>>89985715

>the most irredeemable character in steven universe is just a sexually aggressive teenage boy
>steven forgives people that tried to kill him or his family but only hates this guy for being a jerk

>>89985392
Which villains did Fourze not befriend? Leo guy?

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>>89976807
>sitcom tv-show/cartoon/movie
>The father is a dumb, ugly, retard manchild
>the mom is a smart, attractive, responsible, hard working person.
>She runs the house and she is the one who wears the pants in the relationship
JUST STOP

>>89986821
Him and Cancer

>>89986842

the reverse trope of the wife just being arm candy and being an airhead that just exists to be hot is equally boring and shitty.

I guess the father being an idiot is more common because it can be used to set up the plot better.

KOTH had a great deviation were peggie thought she was some kind of genius even though out of the two of them hank is probably the actual smart one.

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>>89986948
>Peggy
>great

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>>89977088
>Boy, who up until that point have actually been fairly intelligent, reduced to drooling meat headed retards just so they can lose

>>89986948
>the reverse trope of the wife
That is not the reverse. Where are the dumb, ugly, fat moms?

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>>89987039
Visit my house sometime, you'll get your fucking fill of them.

>>89986436
To be fair, rapist villains are very hard to take seriously.

>>89985715
It wasn't as bad when KLK did it, but the trope does suck.

>>89986842
For that matter
>father is dumb but well-meaning and a good person
Show a dumbass father who's a narcissistic, hypocritical, unlikable cunt. That would be far more realistic.

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>>89976807
>Jocks are always complete retards who beat up nerd characters because "I don't like them big words"
>Characters who are in good shape cannot possibly be smart
>Popular kids are always complete cunts to absolutely everyone around them
Creators projecting so hard you can almost hear the film reel rolling

>>89987197
Peter Griffin?

>>89987267
And Homer Simpson in the later years, though not nearly to the same degree.

I think characters naturally tend to drift to extremes over time, and Homer infamously becomes "jerkass Homer", but since Family Guy is already more extreme Peter has become a literally retarded monster.

>>89986993

peggy is great because she likes to think that she's the smart hard working one when she's really just a lazy retard who ruins things for people.

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>show that usually leaves the 4th wall alone attempts to acknowledge its fanbase
>its so poorly presented, out of place or cringey it pulls you right out with how retarded it is
also
>character is becoming less important to the plot or replaced by other characters
>is dropped off the face of the planet, with no prior reason or even short explanation from anyone of relevance

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>Comedy relief gets a power up right before shit starts to get real
>Never uses their new abilities to any effect and loses a lot of their comedy relief

>>89988088
The lack of Kenny in Season 20 pissed me off so much

>>89978933
It's also annoying when characters discuss something fairly straightforward, but are then given the 'ENGLISH PLEASE' treatment from characters who shouldn't be that dumb

>Lookin at you, Joss Whedon

>>89986725
What's Jeffery Dahmer's favorite joke?

A bar walks into a man.

>>89988297
>Lookin at you, Joss Whedon
Ooh, ooh.
>"clever" hero snarks at the villain to the point where they're completely disarming any tension the villain provides
>the villain is a joke

I fucking hate those.

>>89988297
>what's terraforming?

>>89985287
Not everyone can love the taste of pea-ness as much as you do, anon.

>>89983648
South Park has Nathan and Mimsy.

While Nathan isn't an idiot, he always responds to Mimsy's sound and grounded advice with a slap and telling him to shut up, after which Mimsy complies.

Really many villain/henchman pairings where the villain is huge and imposing while the henchman is smaller and usually fairy dull, with the occasional small stupid villain and more sensible large henchman.

For protogonist you often have the big monk types who are occasionally book smart, and level headed well built leaders aren't too uncommon either, but neither of those are usually found as part of a big/small duo nearly as often.

>>89983648
Sam and Max, though it's more like "the big one is more restrained kind of crazy"

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"look man ya gotta help me out of this prison cell".

>bars are literally 12" apart and could just squeeze out due to small stature.

>>89985349
Just a handful for the road.

Oh, what luck. There's a french fry stuck in my beard.

>>89987092
AAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL, LET'S HAVE SEEEEEEEEEEX

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>>89991343

>>89976807
God, I swear most comic writer can't do any type of romantic angst that isn't just "add another person". It's so frustrating.

>>89984093
>Countless mooks are shown in certain death situations, falling to their deaths or getting caught in explosions, you don't notice this because their deaths are glossed over.
Such as? Because I don't remember Aang purposefully murdering anyone or anything aside from that one wasp thing when they were stuck in the desert.

>>89990981
That's more of a stylistic choice so that audience can see their faces.

>>89976839
Fingers crossed for Star vs.

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> First few seasons
> Father is kinda dumb but clearly loves his family and works hard for them
> Newest seasons
> Father is outright retarded and abuses his kids

>main character's brother suddenly exists and is getting married to another character that shows up out of nowhere and is also made incredibly important
>both of these new characters are more powerful than the previously established strongest fighters in the world but only because POWER OF LOVE

>>89978702
in my highschool it was more race divided but its not like you couldnt walk up to others and make conversation

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>>89978879
>the bigger they are, the harder they fall!

>>89992264
It's Always Sunny, right?