story time

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>>89945195

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>>89945201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujOChTr2PkM

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>>89945230

>>89945195

Thank you, OP.

I can't wait to see the next stop for this crazy train.

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>>89945248
btfo of the panel

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>>89945278

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>>89945304

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>>89945323

>>89945278
No!!! Not the Celestials!! :(

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>>89945344

>>89945304

I love that The Never Queen exists entirely outside of the comic panels while logos remains inside, it's such a cool visual effect given the explanations of their purposes.

>>89945248
So in the old multiverse they mostly all died. But these survivied.

Also means they might not have created everything in this universe, mutants included.

>>89945278
is she new?

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>>89945369
>having the time to say three words
Light just ain't as fast as it use to be
Also can anybody that read Slott's silver surfer tell me what the never queen is about?

>>89945376
The arts really grown on me. If there was a colorist that could make everything less flat on the human characters I'd havery very few complaints.

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>>89945408
>>89945407
yes

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>>89945426
I like this guy, I hope he sticks around

>>89945426
>thought is faster than light
neurochemistry says no.

>>89945468
Giant Cosmic Flame Bird says yes

>>89945456
>quasi magic psychic field
more like destiny force

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>>89945456
>>89945468
Thought is as fast as the one thinking in comics. I'm pretty sure even the flash has to his brain to move his feet.

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>>89945499
Adam you basically snapped his neck with that punch and are going to pull the "I prefer not to fight" card?

>>89945499
that's a fairly creative use of dimensional portals

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>>89945540
He comes from a place filled with straight dudes and no women, pure hell.

>>89945489
put a cracker in it, polly

>>89945278
>Killing Arishem
Logos dun fucked up

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>>89945574

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>>89945606
But does it come with a ring?

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>>89945626
Finally fanserive just what this was missing

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>>89945667

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>>89945687

>>89945278
>>89945304
new waifu spotted

>>89945667
speaking of, reminder that according to her creator, MAC always goes commando

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>>89945711

>>89945667
>typo
He he nice editors marvel has

>>89945278
>>89945596
Dat one Celestial survived doe!

>>89945731
>bubble still orange
nice try ewing

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>>89945731
>>89945727
I think Ewing would mention that but I bet Gillen and her current solo writer would be too prudish.

>>89945687
>>89945711

>they do not question what they may be agents of
>as below, so it is above
>that black goop

Logos confirmed unwitting agent of Empty Hand

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>>89945731

>>89945781
Monica has a new outfit in America's solo.

>>89945731
>>89945731
Glactus back to normal i think. Just starved.

Black goo eh.

>>89945230
PRAISE AND ADORE HIM

>>89945821
Maybe, maybe not. I wonder if the golden speech bubble is significant. This could just be an 'infected by the goop' thing. Once he's uninfected, he goes back to being the Lifemaker.

>>89945304
How convenient, the last one turns out to be the boss of them all.

>>89945833
>Carol and Monica fuse plus get a boost from Blue Marvel to go Super Binary Blue, put Logos on the defensive
>then MAC makes a spirit sword out of the hopes of the multiverse and cuts him in half
>then Molecule Man pops in and erases Logos on the conceptual level

>>89945426
Damn, and I tought Mónica was OP

>>89945304
>>89945278

is she supposed to look like a grey and green Wanda?

>>89945426
>>89945407
Nah, she appeared in Slott's Silver Surfer.

>>89945407
She's been in Slott's Silver Surfer

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>>89945974
little bit

>>89945687
>>89945711

Fucking metal.

>>89945946
It's gonna end up like the old ultimate universe. Barely any abstracts.

I guess one above all replaces logos. Death, infinity, love and hate, the watchers, the stranger stays.

Doom killed every beyonder but the child one.

Carol has been a bitch to Panther since Johns Avengers run

Whats her problem?

>>89946066
>Doom killed every beyonder but the child one.
>Logos killed every Celestiial but this one

I get the feeling its instead going to be these survivors inheriting as individuals the authority of their whole race, making them more free to act according to their personal judgment when before celestials and beyonders decided things as a group

>>89946066
Stranger is universal man. I still love the fact that no one knows who he is.

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What the hell is going on here?

Galactus the Lifebringer?
Beyonders, as in plural?
Celestial genocide?
Does this team of Ultimates have anything to do with the Ultimate universe?

Could somebody catch me up to speed?

>>89945248
The celestials created life and death? Where the hell are these things supposed to be in the grand order of things

>>89945468
Norse mythology says YES and Frankly Monica doesn't adhere to any sort of nuerochemistry.

>>89945195
Classic Order/Chaos/Betweener storytime:
>>89922324

>>89946163
Stabbed her in the back during CW2.

They were close before that.

>>89946268
>Beyonders, as in plural?
you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind. 1988 behind

>>89945408
She had a page in the Shaper of World storytime 2 months ago.
I get the impression this comic tell us all we need to know about her.

>>89946318
They created the life in the pervious universe. The humans and mutants and other aliens.

Reed created them this time around, the universe rules of concepts and abstracts order isn't soild yet.

>>89946374
>Norse mythology says YES
>Someone else got the reference

Also remember that Ewing wrote Loki. Norse Mythology's important.

>>89946268
In short:

There are more Beyonders besides THE Beyonder and they sought to destroy the Marvel Multiverse for SCIENCE by planting an alternate version of Molecule Man in each dimension that would explode on command and take out their respective universe.

In order to avoid beings powerful enough to interfere from interfering the Beyonders themselves went on a killing spree of cosmic powerhouses like the Living Tribunal and the Celestials, whom you see in this comic as being on the brink of extinction even after the universe reset (the Beyonders' plan ultimately worked but thanks to Doom and Richards they were able to bring the destroyed Multiverse back in its '8th iteration')

In the reset multiverse, the Ultimate Universe no longer exists and the 'Ultimates' have changed terms to refer to a new team of Earth's stronger cosmic tiers working together to fight problems bigger than the solar system, first of which was finding a cure for Galactus' eternal hunger and making him a well-spring of life energy rather than a consuming vortex of it.

But Order and Chaos didn't like the changes to the status quo and, since the new iteration of the universe' hierarchy is still in dispute, were able to kill the Living Tribunal (again) and fuse into Logos so that they could force Galactus back to the devourer he was.

>>89945667
stupid sexy T'challa

>>89946417
But by saying that they created life almost makes it sound like they where the first beings to have life

>>89946268
>Galactus the Lifebringer?
Ultimates #1 & #2
>Beyonders, as in plural?
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88771383/#88777459
>Celestial genocide?
>>89945781
>Does this team of Ultimates have anything to do with the Ultimate universe?
Not for another few issues. It was a free space.

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>>89946463
>ere able to kill the Living Tribunal (again) and fuse into Logos so that they could force Galactus back to the devourer he was.
With the "help" of the in-betweener

>>89945731
this is some cosmic horror shit

>>89946492
It's been a long time since I read Earth X but that is one of their backstories and at minimum you can think of them like that from a certain POV if you consider survivors from a previous universe to be the first life. It's really easy to make the argument you're questioning.

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>>89946492
Maybe they were. Celestials are mysterious like that. We just don't know.
There's an issue that bounces around theories in https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88771383/

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>>89945833

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>>89946163
Isn't it obvious.

>>89946550
This whole comic has been that, bless it.

>>89946565
Earth X is an alternative universe, and I would rather that everyone ignores it as much possible.

>>89946492
They existed before life, if you meant the celestials.

In the pre sw universe they made all life in the sense via enchanching the primal creatures by alterting them. And choose which to die.

They also created the bour print of the look of the races. That still stands even if they didn't create the life of this new universe.

In this universe 8, this is no longer the case. Only 6 survived of many. But now only one remains.

>>89946202
I kinda hate it.
Yes i KNOW it's the point. I don't care.

>>89946168
>but the child one.
?
You mean Kobik or Mr Conspicuousbyhisabsence?

>>89945304
>tut

Fool!

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>>89946645
Zamasu decides to kill all ningen and gods in the Marvel Universe

Which Earth hero does he use to switch bodies with and team up with his immortal future self that would give him the best chance of accomplishing his plans?

>>89946654
It's been leaking into 616 for a while and an alternate universe is still part of the multiverse.
Saying Nuh it was an alternate reality when dealing with multiversal beings or at least ones capable of travel between universes has always been a ridiculous argument to me in response to a person pointing out possibilities.

>>89946066
What abstracts were in the Ulimtate Universe?

>>89945323
>Ultimates leader

well, RIP team

>>89946654
>>89946723
Earth X is an entirely different Multiverse. Universe & Paradise made sure of that.
At best it's part of the Marvel-owned Megaverse (Gruenwald term; between Multi and Omni).

>>89946695
The beyonder of the frist secret wars.

>>89946717
Sentry

>>89945499
>Franklin Hall
That's Graviton for those who didn't get the reference.

>>89946758
>Earth X is an entirely different Multiverse.
Venom X met Mayday and also met the Exiles

>>89946724
I don't think there really were any or they were less personified. 616 Galactus basically waltzed in and had a buffet when he showed up since there was noone else to deal with. At minimum we were never exposed to anyone on the level of a proper abstract in the Ultimate Universe.

>>89946723
>It's been leaking into 616 for a while
Only because of Hickman and all his work with the Avengers and FF

>>89946791
Is he still around?

>>89945744
I ain't seeing it.
"The warrior does not live in the weapons" makes complete sense.

>>89945626
>This is my Stand, I call it「Mood Indigo」

>>89946649
>Even though Rhodey was her first jungle boogie.
You think she's going to break off some literal Kool Kat Kang without T'challa not getting killed?

>>89946851
last seen in Ewings Contest of Champions, to my knowledge

>>89945499
>>89946809
What's the Four Forces War?

WHERE'S MY BOY SENTRY HERE FFS EWING

REALITY WAR BOB WHEN

>>89946717
also this is the only answer

stable Sentry clears house

>>89946724
Just the watchers and the bug galactus.

Very minimal. Almost close.

>>89946908
It's a reference to the four forces of fundamental interaction: gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear.

>>89946901
Different Universe's Sentry. 616 Sentry was last seen flying Exitar the Executioner's corpse off into deep space.

>>89946955
I get that, and I'm asking: when was this war?
....Also which one correspond to which Power Pack?

>>89946814
Point will be moot when Maker merges the multiverse into one.

If that means there's only two universe soon or prime overrides all.

>>89946935
Not really 'abstracts' desu

>>89947020
Just Alex and Gravitational

The others have different powers. Acceleration, Density and Energy

>>89945786
HYPERCRISIS

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>>89946919

>>89947050
Abstracts in the sense of duty, not as in the old higher order thing.

More of the roles. Less the structure.

>>89945810
What.

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>>89945731
My heart is once more broken.

>>89946814
When was this? I love Exiles and I don't recall this at all.

>>89945781
>never say never

Cancer-Vell's revenge when?

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>>89946814
And Quasar had the OG Starbrand for a while,
Still a different Multiverse. Transformers, Doctor Who & DC are woven into Marvel history, the barriers aren't impassable.

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>>89946868

>>89947203
They may be all be different multiverses, they're still connected to the membranes. The superflow connects to them all.

New universe is now destroyed.

Ewing is pretty much the only writer doing great work at Marvel right now. He's so far ahead of the others especially Bendis and Slotf it's not even funny.

U.S.Avengers storytime when?

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>>89947199
pls no
gibbe Captain Corps

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>>89947249
>they're still connected to the membranes. The superflow connects to them all.
Yeah. Part of the same Megaverse.
>>89947260
Different audiences I guess. I don't read Iron Man, Spider-Man or Guardians anyway.

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>>89947165
ah, sorry I was mistaken. It was just a bunch of Avengers and X-Men.

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>>89946463
>>89946501
Thanks

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>>89947370
=b

>>89945278
It's cool how Ewing doesn't just use old-school cosmic lore, he uses recent characters that so far only one writer has used as well.

>>89947322
Those alternative futures. They get earth numbers but are still part of the main universe.

For prime earth it's old man logans folden in future and dofp and cables and maestreos.

>>89947405
He doesn't pick favourites and considers all continuity worthwhile. It's one of his strengths. I've yet to see him abuse his power to bully a character he doesn't like, if he dislikes any.

>>89947405
He is going to be great on Royals, he is actually going to explore Inhumans history, instead of popping new character after new characters and shitting on the past like Soule did.

>>89947601
>and shitting on the past like Soule did.
deets pls

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>>89947150
Comes out March 1. Featuring a couple of other Ultimates.

>>89947634
He is writing Royals(the main Inhuman book after IVX), he already mentioned he is going to explore the origins of Inhumans, bringing back the Universel Inhumans, Ronan , etc.

>>89945711
>A Higher Order. A Higher Chaos...
>The First Truth that ever was...
If it ain't Oblivion I fkn swear...

>>89947752
I know all that. I'm specifically asking what shitting Soule did.

>>89947781
Who ever it is has a robe.

>>89947847
That doesn't really narrow it down.

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>>89947781
It's time

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>>89947862
Oblivion it is then

>>89947862
It does.

Could be aron. He was obbesed before his death about creating a new universe.

>>89947960
If chaos war then entity war.

>>89947810
Pretty much ignored most of the royal family besides Medusa and focusing mostly on his OCs. Karnak only started getting use again because his solo got good reviews.

>>89947980
>Ewing restarts Real Time
anon don't do this to me

>>89947927
>>89947960
If it is Oblivion, how did he get such a power boost? Probably chalked up to 'the hierarchy is in flux'.

>>89948086
Proboboly, the Universe is still very unstable. Unstable which leads to the end of it, which leads to oblivion.

>>89948086
Oblivion is beyond the hierarchy. If Ultimates^2 #1 is to be believed the events of Secret Wars were part of the Cosmic Jailer's own overall plan.
Dude's just very very passive. It's his very nature. If someone else wants to bring about the end of everything, great! But DOING things himself is anathema. Hence why he's never been used as an event villain before.

>>89947020
It's just a made up event created specifically on that panel to explain why a universe might have fucked up gravity. Don't mind it too much.

>>89947810
Oh I mean ignoring, he uses the Royal Family and his own characters, doesn't bring up stuff or characters that happened/appeared in other Inhuman volumes, while Ewing is saying he will do that.

I don't dislike Charles "peanut allergies" Soule writing and he seems to be a great guy, but I wanted the history to be explored instead of just using new ones.

>>89948179
>were part of the Cosmic Jailer's own overall plan.
I thought the Molecule Man was the Jailer

Or maybe Oblivion is the jailer
>Hence why he's never been used as an event villain before
How can you use him as a event villain?

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>>89948189
But who were the other 3 Warlords?!
I MUST KNOW

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>>89948249
I GUESS WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT

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>>89948067
Whatever happens, this will.

Maker wants to merge the multiverse. Not sure if earth prime is counted.

>>89948254
Magneto probably had EM. Let's say Radioactive Man for Weak force, and Binary for Strong force.

Glad that other people are reading this and thinking that Oblivion is involved too. Reading that Thor annual with him in has always made me a bit sad that he doesn't get more focus as the ultimate evil of the cosmic side of Marvel.

>>89948306
>"The Ultimate Universe" has been a red herring this whole time
duuuuuude

>>89948937
Stated in new avengers he wants to unify the multiverse, to create a stronger entity.

Every maker in all of universes are reverse molecule mens.

Only then can the cosmic jailer be destroyed.

>>89947781
If Ewing manages to pull out the Jailer as NOT being Oblivion AND making sense, I'm going to...

You know? I don't know what I'd do, but I'd offer him ti a nice restaurant I know. Because food is great.

>>89947136
Wasn't this like 4 years ago?
Did that game ever come out?
Sigh.

>>89947810
Didn't he turn the Unspoken into some generic evil bad guy?

>>89950295
Kinda, he turned him into a terrigen junkie and implied that he was a bad king which was the opposite of origin.

Should Ewing write the F4 when they come back? He's going to have 3 books and i don't want him to start spreading himself too thin.

>>89945376
Same, and the first panel in here >>89945278, which shows how the celestial was taken out of that existence by being pulled out of the panel is also a neat effect.

>>89950749
Four.
A new Rocket Raccoon ongoing was announced.

>>89950749
As per your question I like Ewing for the attention & reverence he gives to the past so maybe he'd just be another Waid or Robinson. But then I realized that bucking the status quo & progressing forward once more has been a running theme in his work so maybe he'd be just what they need and pick up where Englehart left off. He'd need some POWERFUL meme magic on his side to make it stick though, the Corporate mindset's 20-years-entrenched.

>>89946832
I hate the leaking of new universe more. I liked that it was it's own separate think.

No need to copy DC and borrow elements from different universes and merging them up.

>>89946492
>they where the first beings to have life
I believe that has always been the case, yeah.

>>89945278
>being blown out of the panel
10/10. Foreman was not a mistake.

>>89945408
Never Queen is basically the abstract of potential futures. Where Eternity is what IS she is what MIGHT BE.

>>89945426
>powered by the White Event

>>89945456
>Psi-Force

I love Ewing.

>>89951913
Eternity is IS and HAS BEEN, for the Present is forged by the Past.

also, Entropy is WILL BE(in turn, turning into Eternity by BECOMING).

>>89948249
We find out who the jailer is at the end of next issue if the solicits are to be believed. He's either:
>Oblivion
>The Beyonder
>The Empty Hand

>>89945304
feels like a cheap version of Shintaro Kago, great art nonetheless

>>89951062
That's a stealth mini and we all know it.

>>89952207
>the empty hand

is this a legit possibility?

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>>89952244
This was the imagery chosen to depict the Cosmic Jailer. Notice this left hand?

See how his hand is empty?

In Multiversity, The Empty Hand says he's already defeated and is currently feasting on the carcass of Multiverse-2. This came out right as Secret Wars did with the implication being that the multiverse that The Empty Hand destroyed was the Marvel Multiverse. Now we see that although the Marvel Multiverse is back, it's being feasted on by the Cosmic Jailer.

>>89952322
What about the eye

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>>89952456

>>89948249
>>89948179
Oblivion did pull some shenanigams back in Annihilation : Conquest

>>89952486
It's all coming together

>>89952546
´Like what

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>>89945278
>killing Celestials

JESUS DUDE!

>>89945304
at least toaa celestial survived

>>89952902
resurrected Phila to act as Champion of Death- then had her free Thanos and fired her because she sucked at her job.

>>89954348
Technically that was all Maelstrom. Just like in Quasar & GLA.
There's a panel somewhere that spells it out bluntly.
>hey, I didn't do shit; I just didn't stop him.

>>89955244
Speaking of Maelstrom, now would be a good time to bring him back, what with him being an Inhuman and all.

>>89955272
Don't forget that Ewing is writing Royals.

>>89955244
End of that issue though had Maelstrom reporting back to Oblivion though, Maelstrom may have acted it out but Oblivion was pulling the strings.

Also just before Phylla gets fired Maelstrom says she owes Oblivion.

>>89945731
I TRIED SO HARD
AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER

Have you accepted Logos as tour multiversal lord and savior today, /co/?

>>89953358
>>89945304
>The One Above All lives

>>89956227
>accepting the Empty hand into your life

>>89952216
That's an interesting comparison to make. I definitely see it in the expressions.

>>89945426
Monica has not even had one moment where her powers have paid off in this. She has just been shat on.

>>89945574
Nice opposite to America.

>>89945606
Jessup is such a cool superhero-isation of that kind of Men Who Stare at Goats psychic world police. Even down to the silly New Age shit, it's cool.

>>89945711
>>89945731

This is sick.

>>89945278
>>89945304
Wow literally blown of panel that is some deus ex level shit!

>>89956554
while I love all the high cosmic stuff, this is the first issue that's also felt as comic books! as New Avengers/USAvengers.

If I wanted to show to someone why I love Ewing, showing them this one issue would be the most succinct demonstration of his talents

>>89945230

o really like the concept behind logos, he is not the reason as formal logic, or as a natural order behind things; rather he is "the reason" as is coinciben on the social sciences, as as a performative self-coherence, a logic that is actión and tought at the same; that shape things making a determinate order replicating itself.

cool edwing; plz some one put him on charge of marvel.

>>89945626
so she can be beaten up by some one who make her sudendly laught and take her bad mood away

>>89945304
>I have a new balance to create--without snarls and tangles and inconsistencies
I mean... I'm not hugely opposed to that, but I also like that Ewing is keeping things messy.

>>89958153
Logos is a malevolent allegory for Ewing's own need to address, clean, and realign the sloppy writing of others

>>89945278
I like that you can see her reaching out to grab the Celestial.

So are the never queen and toaa celestial going to do the fusion dance next?

>>89945195
Hey not only was this issue not ruined by the coloring, it actually looked good in some places.

Way to go Dan Brown.

>>89948067
That would be amazing.

>>89953358
why you say this celestial is TOAA?

>>89945731
Poor Galactus, even if he comes out of this alright once Ewing is done with him someone's gonna come in and make him devour shit again.

>>89960027
there's one way out, do what Journey into Mystery did and kill him off at the end while simultaneously replacing him with a new Galactus

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>>89959963
he isn't the TOAA above all marvel things, just above celestials.

>>89959963
Its the main one.

>>89956489
She can join professor X and Martian manhunter in the jobbers club

>I'll just turn into hard light and go through his brain
>AUUUUUGHHHH

>>89959029
Nah, The Last Celestial will be her Herald.

>>89960071
Galacta here we come!

>>89945468
This is comic books.

The Psychic plane laughs at your luminal physics.

>>89945456
Yeah, switching things up and making New Universe Justice into a Man That Stares At Goats was a inspired idea.

>>89961135
...eh, if anyone remembers her Ewing does.

>>89947322
All those Futuremen and Thor is just Thor. Not Reigning Thor, or Dargo Ktor, or nothing.

>>89948086
>If it is Oblivion, how did he get such a power boost?

8 years of all reality being compressed into Doomworld leaves a whole lot of nonexistence to feed him.

>>89960139
They need to bring back Gilgamesh in this suit, much better than most of the crap they have him in all of the time.

>>89945974
>Goddess of Probabilities
>looks like a chaos witch
I mean...

>>89945230
https://youtu.be/MSxaj3VGJ2A

Jim is doing really well in this fight despite his simplistic fighting methods and I'm assuming be only human in terms durability and speed,

>>89945195
It's

the
UltimateS2

>>89945606
I like the consistency in Justice's powers. When he's using Shield his left arm is always up and his right hand is back and when he's using Sword his right arm is up and left arm is back. It's a simple thing but it's still a nice detail.

>>89947277
>gay
>bi
>gay
>gay for Jessica
>black
>bi-curious
>muslim

>>89945278
>>89945304
>giant naked cosmic waifu

I am very okay with this

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>>89965844
Cosmic Swirling space lingerie (inc. thigh high boots) is also a good look.

>>89958768
Yeah. Master Order/Logos are the ultimate expression of how trying to fix a narrative can be destructive when taken too far.

Galactus and now the Never Queen, on the other hand, are about how that messiness creates room for new and exciting possibilities.

>>89965939
Ewing is the first Marvel writer in a long while who's putting out this kind of 'weird' cosmic plot like in Quasar.

>>89945304
Fucking awesome

>>89945369
> without life

Them plant things look like life

>>89966551
looks can be deceiving. that;s actually irrational maths

>>89960139
also, Starlin did change God\TOAA's name to The One Above-All-Others

>>89946376
Johns wrote the Avengers back in like, 2002.

>>89963936
Age of Aquarius psychic magic will fuck you up. I'm pleasantly surprised the Troubleshooters are actually strong enough to muscle in on the Ultimates a bit.

>>89963936
He's an inhuman, so his physical abilities are probably above what you'd expect.

>>89948086
>>89962357
I imagine that the oblivion that we have seen until now is weaker because his power is reduced when he becomes part of the hierachy, since it is against his nature to be something. Same as how eternity was revealed to be the entire omniverse as seen from the outside, containing abstracts that are traditionally more powerful than him, such as the living tribunal.

>>89945278
Since nothing dies are the beyonders still alive?

>>89968808
>Oblivion is defeated by the same means Galactus defeated Chaos, their existences are inherently paradoxical

>>89952013
True, but to elaborate: Eternity represents Time itself. There are multiple Eternities because every divergent action causes a different future and thus a distinct Eternity. All thing's considered Never Queen's pretty broken. She's like an aspect of OmniEternity.
>also, Entropy is WILL BE(in turn, turning into Eternity by BECOMING).
This part's kinda debatable since he's only had one meaningful arc. And the "WILL BE" payoff was a bit of an ass-pull that he required 3rd party advice to realize. Characters have always talked about cosmic entropy in purely nihilistic terms, and sure enough he's filling Oblivion's role in the MCU.

>>89966490
He's also the first Marvel writer in a while to go around unsnarling continuity, and take dead or forgotten characters that other people were careless with and stick them back in the toybox.

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>>89955602
Like I said; just like in Quasar & GLA. No shit Malestrom does what he does BECAUSE he's Oblivion's earthly avatar. It's still Maelstrom that actually DOES anything & everything. Just because he doesn't discourage it doesn't mean he's the leading villain; that takes too much effort.
Now that I think about it, it'll be interesting to see what changed to make him so proactive. Even in the Thor Annual that 'set-up' all of this, all he did was look on and cross his fingers.

>>89968832
the concept of beyonders is still alive and any writer can bring them all back

>>89956227
>final few pages out him as a stooge
nah

>>89956489
>ULTIMATE
>THREATS

>>89957149
Are you saying it's a "what I say goes because I say so; fuck you" thing? Like Leviticus God?

>>89958153
Note how he's THE BAD GUY
>>89958946
DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
This comic is the gift that keeps on giving. Might be the first one I ever give a thorough re-read when it's all said & done.

>>89968601
>I'm pleasantly surprised the Troubleshooters are actually strong enough to muscle in on the Ultimates a bit.
It's nice. I didn't expect much from them in previous issues.

But their powers are creative and perfect counters for the Ultimates (which makes sense considering that's what they were brought together to do)

>>89959963
>>89960139
>>89967115
Am I the only one hoping Ewing streamlines that shit?
It's a retarded asterix. Especially considering how increasingly fucking EASY it is to assume that one's an avatar of the other. 'Member Fulcrum? Anyone?

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>>89962280
He was the only one manly enough to survive the Celestial Holocaust that necessitated the team's formation.

>>89947199
Currently Richard Rider is part cancerverse, so it's probably going to start spreading soon enough.

>>89962452
D U D E
U
D
E

>>89965754
See? Ewing would love this shit.

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How close are the Troubleshooters to prior portrayals in their own universe? Or has Ewing thrown in some OCs?

>>89968884
I imagine Ewing's already considered that and has a loophole in mind for when they try it.
>THIS. SENTENCE. IS. FALSE.

>>89969323
>"you see Galactus, THIS Time things are different"
>"In this new cosmos, the first thing that's fallen prey to entropy is entropy itself"

>>89969300
After a quick browse on the marvel wikia
Rodstvow could teleport, had energy projection and combustion powers.
Kathy Ling was a telekinetic instead of a technokinetic
McQuaid called herself Indigo and created energy constructs but not necessarily made out of emotions
Jessup could astral project.
Tensen could form blasts with one hand and forcefields with another.

>>89968753
I don't think he is Inhuman, he said that the Inhumans were people as to say they weren't freaks like the guy said. Then followed with I just learned what there was to learn.

>>89969515
Well damn is this issue's anything to go by I might have to look into them after all.

>>89945731
I loved Lifebringer Galactus. Please Ewig promise you give him back to us!

>>89945195
'Nother Xtra storytime
>>89970205

>>89969660
Fair enough. He's still got to have some degree of superhuman endurance, since he took a blow from Ms America, who's pretty strong on her own, while she was accelerating because of a gravitational anomaly.

>>89969995
No clue. I just think its neat that Ewing managed to update these characters and tweak their powers so that they could be an actual threat to the Ultimates.

>>89956533
I wonder if he and his people were the ones who America's mothers fought

>>89970314
They fought debasers, If I'm not mistaken. I don't think we've seen them before, but according to Jason Quantrell they are from the same no-space the beyonders come from.

>>89969050
Yeah. I mean the pitch from the off with Ultimates was really looking at: OK, New Universe - what does that mean and what can we do? Which nobody else was really angling for straight away, and which I think Ewing's work has actually encouraged other writers to look at.

>>89970153
Just make his lil girl lifebringer instead

>>89969031
the Second Law of Thermodynamics still applies(...somehow) to the Marvel Universe.
Hell, time-travel INCREASES entropy.

So, in the end, Entropy will Be, and either Oblivion or a new Eternity will Become

>>89969111
who said he did much? He might simply have chained a just reborn and therefore weakened Eternity, letting evertyhing else play by it

>>89970370
...The Nextwave arc talked about MAC's backstory?
Which issue was this? I must've missed the panel.

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>>89972964
MAC's backstory mentioned Normalisers and Debasers

>>89970236
Next one is Never Queen, yeah?

>>89971445
She don't exist.

>>89973072
Maybe next month.
She's only been in one (rather recent) comic. And I haven't read that shit myself. The idea was to delve into the history of characters so old & eternal that their stories are scattered all over the place.

I haven't read Young Avengers either and as of this issue it seems MAC's past is actually pretty important. Maybe I'll pick & choose some stuff from that to do with Never Queen next time.

>>89973020
And Mighty Avengers does too, I'm guessing?
Also Cheers; I was considering posting those pages to finish up the other thread but don't know where I have them saved.

>>89973020
Well considering the evil star guy said something about "the normalization of your nightmares" I'm guessing he is one of the beings these guys fought.

>>89960940
Just let that actually work once FFS.

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>>89973459
Issue 6 of Captain America and the Mighty Avengers

>>89975519
the Infinities being from the same place as the Beyonders make sense

>>89968832
It seems like that was what the ghost of the Shaper of Worlds was trying to say in the last issue.

>>89970153
I'm choosing to take the fact that Galactus still has the Lifebringer word balloons to mean there's a chance for him to break free of whatever is corrupting him.

I know that eventually he'll be the Devourer again, but I'm not ready.

>>89945201
>Kirby's legacy of incomprehensibly vast entities, fantastic alien vistas and universe-spanning plots
>reduced to basically an upscaled turf war

Please pull the plug on Marvel already.

>>89975954
Half Kirby Half Dikto

>>89969227
Well, he kind of is streamlining it by changing The One Above All (Celestial) into "The Last Celestial."

>>89975781
>Galactus will be the Devourer for most of the time from now on, but the possibility of briefly becoming lifebringer again will remain a permanent possibility "inside" of him

>>89947277
That is possibly the manliest Carol I've ever seen.

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>>89947277
>Noh-varr as the protector instead of Marvel boy

>>89977473
g2bed grant

>>89975577
Is one of those a pseudonym for them or something?

>>89978389
"Gardeners" fits them really well.

>>89973020
>>89975519
>>89945574
So Ewing took a throwaway line from America's origin and connected it to the Beyonders and has combined all that with an old New Universe character for his current anti-Ultimates team

And he started dropping hints two years ago during the Beyond Corporation arc

>>89979719
That's our Ewing.

>>89979719

there's a reason i haven't shut up about how great he is

>>89979719
>>89979719
Yep, that's why so many people wanted him on MAC's solo, he has done well with her two page origin and hard to work character. If was we probably would have utopia fleshed out more and likely had dystopia brought in too.

>>89979837
And instead we're getting "MAC goes to college! XD"

>>89979859

>"MAC goes to college! XD"

it's not literal why are people so set on taking it literally.

>>89979878
It's not? I was under the impression she was literally going to college.

>>89974980
Didn't they shut down Thanos that way?

>>89979900
No. She tried to do it to Thanos but his mind was so fucked up that he was able to gain control and use Monica as an eye beam.

>>89979892

>"So America is gonna be going to class, but her class will be in Earth-616 [the main Marvel universe] and then she’ll also go to other dimensions. So she gets to punch into her Women in Power class; and she gets to punch into Tribal Ancestry and You 101. Just like rad classes that I would want to take in the university of my dreams."

From everything I've seen they're using the shorthand of "going to college" instead of explaining how it's about finding oneself in the world.

>>89979859
>>89979878
It's clear, but all the previews have had MAC doing superhero stuff. The solits for the second chapter mentioned fallout from an ultimates mission. It could be that college is a setting so MAC can a place to be that isn't with the Ultimates for her down time.

>>89979965
>It's clear
It isn't clear I mean

>>89979859
Plus it sounds like the writer is going to break her up with her qt paramedic girlfriend for more Kate Bishop pining

>>89945626
So her power is to manifest pms

>>89979932
Yeah, people forget Thanos is an Eternal, he can naturally manipulate energies.

Actually, people forget a fuckton of Thanos' abilities.

>>89979951
which, for MAC, sounds bullshit.
She needs to be taken down one peg or two(thousands)- I was thinking something around the lines of "because of the multiverse rebirth, she's not an Anomaly anymore: there are many MAC around, and a lot of them are angry at her because pver the years she put her nose in the internal affairs of many universes and dimensions, and they aren't happy about it... but it's the discovery she's not a Special Unique Snowflake anymore that devastate her!"

>>89945810
But is she wearing underwear with it? That's an important character trait.

>>89980310
MAC has gotten more humble in this volume, Largely do to knowing she needs the teams help.

>>89980182

this is the actual bullshit

>>89951062
My copy of this issue has an advertisement for an "Inhumans Prime" that Ewing will write. Is that a different title than Royals?

>>89980562
Still thinking she must be shown she's not all that hot- I'm fine with her being actually experienced and competent, but I'd like somebody show up and one-up her just to make clear there are a lot of people with much more experience than her.

>>89980884
Marvel books with "Prime" in the name tend to be one shot kick off books.

Or Ultraverse books that will never, ever see print again.

>>89980884
It's a one shot after IvX, just like X-men prime. Ewing sets up all three ongoings in it.

>>89980884
>RESURRXION BEGINS HERE!

>In the wake of the awesome events of IVX — what will become of the Inhumans? In this oversized special issue — the trial of Maximus! The coming of Marvel Boy! And what is the dark secret of Black Bolt? A special bridging issue between the past of the Inhumans and their future — on Earth and in the stars!

>>89980967
>>89980970
>>89981006
Much obliged

So, does TOAA have any influence on the wild space\wild space beings?

>>89981505
Yes and no because TOAA is the writer surrogate and has control over the story. Wild space beings are simultaneously comic characters on the page and (partially) metaphors for external entities, whether they're editorial or readers or whatever. So TOAA as the writer should be able to control them, but TOAA as an in universe entity should be vulnerable to them (if only for the sake of maintaining the metaphor).

>>89980918
That doesn't fit her character at all. She always talks big even if she can't back it up (and she usually can). I actually really like how she's been handled in Ultimates: you see what's driving her and how she's part-heroism part-ego in her brashness.

Even in this very issue yeah she pulls a neat trick and backs up Carol, but she throws in that "MY team" too. And giving her a paramedic girlfriend was neat, because America is pretty much a paramedic on a multiversal scale (I think that's even been one of her taglines).

>>89980310

>she's not an Anomaly anymore

Plausible, given that a version of her showed up in that AU future from Lemire's Hawkeye.