Did Mordecai end up with the cloud or the bird?

>>89901099
A bat.

>>89901113
Which is kind of like a cloud and a bird combined.

>>89901113
He likes to fucking flying things, it would seem

>>89901167
why not? he himself is a flying thing.

>>89901113
Who?

>>89901233
They wrote themselves into a corner and knew they would piss off large swaths of their fanbase no matter who they picked. So they decide to say fuck it and went with Door #3 and pissed off everyone.

Well, everyone who cared about the shitty relationship dramas.

She has no name. She has no characterization. She never said a word.

>>89901293
Sounds like a bat decision.

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>>89901293
>plebs upset at no margaret or cj ending

>>89901293
I can't even find a picture of her/

>>89901163
No, it's not.

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>>89901423

>>89901163
I needed this laugh, thank you, Anon.

>>89901163
Woah

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>>89901490
>he doesn't know about bats

>>89901330
CARLOS!

>>89902600
Bats are bugs, duh.

>>89901163

>Mord wishes he could come back as a dolphin
>gets with a bat chick
>bats and dolphins have echolocation

I don't have a point, I just thought that was interesting.

>>89901293
>pissed off everyone

People CARED about that bullshit?

>>89901293
To be honest, I was just happy that he ended up happy with someone in the end.

Betacai made it.

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>People not understanding the reasoning behind the bat

The whole point is that his relationshit doesn't matter. He could have stayed single, turned gay, it doesn't matter. Mordecai found happiness in and of himself FIRST, before meeting batgirl.

Throughout the show, Mordecai spends seasons obsessing over his love life, while Rigby understands enough to live and let live. He meets Eileen not by obsessing over his love life, but by being confident with who he is first.

The finale would have been insulting if he comes down and just chooses CJ or Margaret. That kinds of development takes episodes to explain, the same complaints would apply even more so. And the message would be changed to "Find self-worth in a cute gf."

>>89903212
Except Mordecai isn't even smiling in the group photo and when he's with Rigby it's glaringly obvious that Rigby has something in his relationship with Eileen that he doesn't have with batgirl. It's as if he ended up in a relationship because it was expected of him, not because he wanted it. Even his artwork still reflects his hang-ups for CJ and Margaret. He didn't develop at all. He got older and fatter, but he's still unhappy, and that sucks.

>>89901293
>She has no name.
She's literally named THE POWER and she's a performance artist.

>>89903024
>>89903066
>that manchin
looks like Mordecai's a power-bottom.

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>>89904034
>Mordo
>power-anything

>>89903541
>He got older and fatter, but he's still unhappy, and that sucks.
Obviously it's a set-up for a big anniversary special in which Mordecai is given a chance to go back in time and fix his mistakes, only to learn that it happens at the cost of the happiness of others, but thanks to some magic bullshit he keeps everybody hooked up and also he bags two chicks at once.

HAPPY ENDINGS

>>89901293
So glad I jumped ship after muscleman's wedding.

>>89903212

So why did the show waste my time with so much relationship drama, then flush it down the toilet?

>>89904484

Because the show wasn't written very well.

I wanted the harem ending with Mordecai as park manager to be canon ever since I saw that one rule 34 picture.

it'd at least be coherent. then again, the show lost itself after they started shoehorning the relationships. I honestly stopped caring a long time ago.

>>89904484

Because that's life, anon. Sometimes relationships come and go.

>>89903541
>numerous assumptions about the state of Mordecai's life
>on the basis that the picture kind of doesn't look like he's smiling

As per the AMA on reddit from a member of the writing staff
>I like just knowing that he moved on, pursued his dream and still hangs out with his bro. That's cool to me.
>We also felt like Mordecai had moved on in his life. He finally left the park to pursue art, and we thought it'd be cool if he met someone while doing that.

Mordecai lived happily-ever-after. This is canon. Anything else is autistic projecting and weird, pessimistic speculation.

>>89904747

It's not life, it's a TV Show. It can make a point without wasting huge chunks of time on stories that go nowhere.

>>89904604

Yeah that's more like it.

>>89903541
>Except Mordecai isn't even smiling in the group photo
You don't have to smile in a photo to be happy. Also fake smile exist and use by depress people

>>89904892
>>I like just knowing that he moved on, pursued his dream and still hangs out with his bro. That's cool to me.
>>We also felt like Mordecai had moved on in his life. He finally left the park to pursue art, and we thought it'd be cool if he met someone while doing that.
None of this directly says he was happy. Also of course he'd be happy when he's alone with Rigby, he's always been happy with him because they were the only person each had for a looong time.

At any other point in the montage he wasn't happy. The art thing working out doesn't mean it brought him happiness.

>>89903024
That bat gives me a real Rick (from Rick & Morty) vibe.

>>89904994

Why the fuck would the creators write him as being unhappy? That's fucking stupid. You know it, I know it, everybody knows that the intention of the creators was to write the ending as happily-ever-after for everyone involved.

The only reason you assume he wasn't happy was because he wasn't grinning like a goof during the whole thing. His montage was unique in that it was reflective, calm, and mature. It's clear that he took immense pride and found peace in his work.

Not everything has to be a big party. I swear to god, 95% of this "mordecai not happy" retard jerk is the fact that he looks like a hipster by the end of it.

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>>89904994
'You need to be happy to live, I don’t.’ -- Keanu Reeves

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/pResN39

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>>89905583
>those comments
Why are they like this?

>>89902709
>>89902600
>>89901163
Okay but I just have to step in here and point out bats are mammals

>>89901293
Is she related to the giant bat thing from the space tree?

>>89905583
>'You need to be happy to live, I don’t.’ -- Keanu Reeves
i kind of agree, we all going to die someday, no point on rushing our mortality for nonsensical emotions.

lol this show just kept fucking going

it deserved death

>>89905143
REGULAR.
REGULAR

HAPPY > REGULAR > SAD

>>89902952
>I was just happy that he ended up happy with someone
>Happy

That face didn't really look happy, more like acceptance.

>>89901185

so he should just flying fuck himself.

>>89901099

neither. turns out both of them were banging Skips behind his back.

>>89907935
What?

>>89906507
>bats are mammals
I bet you think owls are birds too

>>89901099
He should have ended up with Benson

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>>89901099
the bird was a whore and the fart cloud was very Immature.

>>89903024
>>89903066
cute

>>89901293
>They wrote themselves into a corner and knew they would piss off large swaths of their fanbase no matter who they picked.
Weird, I would've picked either since it'll be the finale and there would be literally nothing else after it

Oh well, it's over and Mordecai has a sucky family no matter who he chooses

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>>89908811
>He probably doesn't know that the moon is clouds

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>>89902780

I did.

This is the first time I've seen a cartoon show go out of its way to fuck over the two people who were literally made for each other.

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The bat was the best choice

>>89902720
I found it interesting.

Dont worry Anoan, at least your autism resonated with mine.

>>89906507
>I just have to
Stop trying to sound smart.

>>89908936
>Mordecai has a sucky family no matter who he chooses
Mordecai was visibly happy in the Just Friends episode that showed his life with Margaret if he chose her, their kids becoming pro video game teams and Mordecai and Margaret getting a house boat, but instead he just became a noticed artist, got some bat girl, wasn't shown happy, and had kids that never cared abut anything, rather than his other outcome kids being happy

>>89910458
stop telling me what to do

>>89903212
They failed to convey making him look happy.

And for some reason, he is the only one who didn't end up with his love interest. WHo got way much more time than any other relationship.

>while Rigby understands enough to live and let live. He meets Eileen not by obsessing over his love life, but by being confident with who he is first.

That's why he started going to High School again out of fear of losing her, right?

>>89905143
If you want him happy, show him happy and do not fail at such a simple thing. If you want to give a satisfying ending, wrap up all loose threads in a matter that makes sense with what you set up. It does not matter when you go NOW THE CHARACTER IS HAPPY BECAUSE I SAY SO when the way you got there feels cheap, hollow, and poorly thought out.

Your audience should not make excuses for horrible writing or fill in the gaps left out of laziness.

>>89903024
>>89903066

>He gets with best girl.
Thank god.

>>89910999
she's a dumb marceline looking character who wears a fucking choker

>>89911021
She's not even a character.

>>89901113
and their children look like Deviant art rejects.
Why is the design for this show so shit?

>>89911041
It used to be perfectly fine.

Aside from the fact they fucking hate Regular Show, CN gets less and less lenient with show budgets as the seasons come in, that includes the budget of making character models, which this show used to always reuse because they lived in a small town so the only new models would be the bad guy of the week.

This season needed a lot of new models, which became quantity over quality.

>>89911105
Spending money on Heroes also didn't help.

It's a neat idea, but those should always come after actually planning the story and plot and spending money on their realization.

>>89910568
>Mordecai settled for mediocrity and is perfectly okay with it

I know you anons have.

>>89911223
I don't have mediocre irl waifu like Mordo, but I'm perfectly content being just another person on NEETbux doing nothing productive for the rest of my life.

>>89911173
>Spending money on Heroes also didn't help.
That and maybe 5 other songs are the only ones that were truly expensive. The others are still expensive, but not really to CN.

It just became a big factor later when the final seasons were given presumaby near half the budget it formerly had.

Either way I agree the designs are shit and only added to how much of a weird vibe it gave off, like it was shit but had a few redeeming qualities.

Should've left it open-ended after the cars scene. Maybe do have Mordecai say he's going back to doing art, maybe fucking say what Rigby was supposed to be doing instead of going through with it and still not elaborating on it, it's all just disappointing.

>>89910775
>That's why he started going to High School again out of fear of losing her, right?

Anon, the beginning of the high school plotline was Eileen discovering his insecurity and assuring him that she doesn't judge him for it. He makes clear that he is doing it for himself, and for himself only. He knows that the value of his relationship would not change as a result of a piece of paper.

That was the whole principle of the character arc.

Don't see what the problem is. His first major love didn't work out, like most people. And he found someone else down the line.

How many people end up with the person they had feelings for in the early 20s?

>>89911397
>blue balling episodes of WILL THEY WONT THEY
>all of those are retroactively pointless cause Mordo got a third one
It makes sense in life, but god damn is it a shitty writing cop out

>>89911353
>Anon, the beginning of the high school plotline was Eileen discovering his insecurity and assuring him that she doesn't judge him for it. He makes clear that he is doing it for himself, and for himself only
>He knows that the value of his relationship would not change as a result of a piece of paper.

Oh yeah, AFTER she told him that. How convenient!

>character arc

What character arc? He is the same as he always has been. Getting a piss easy degree he cheated at does not change that.

>>89911397
>muh real life
Because he is the only one they applied it to. Rigby and Eileen is not a relationship that would last.

>>89911621
>Rigby and Eileen is not a relationship that would last
Why not?
Weird girl and a slacker is relatively common, as far as I've seen things.

>>89904139
>no teeth

I guess he really did wind up being gay because that's gaaaaaaaaaaayyyy

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>>89908927
>whore
>immature

>bat is wearing spike collar and dresses like Morticia

>>89901113
Actually she's a Werewolf apparently

>>89902952
>Betacai

More like BATACAI am I right?

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>>89911621
>What character arc? He is the same as he always has been. Getting a piss easy degree he cheated at does not change that.

Anon, did we watch the same show?

>>89915560
Gaining foreign language credit the way he did was pretty scummy.

>>89915620
Yes but to say "He is the same as he has always been" is patently false.

Rigby in the first few seasons was immensely immature, destructive, and overall just kind of an intolerable piece of shit.

Later seasons he arguably become more mature than Mordecai.

>>89915679
>Later seasons he arguably become more mature than Mordecai.
thats why Mordecai fucked up its life while rigby won at the end.
Rigby gets in trouble because he is somewhat stupid and ignorant.
Mordecai gets in trouble because he is an asshole.

you can get educated and smarter, but you cant stop being a shit person that easily.

This couldn't have been a way for them to not hurt one part of the fanbase, they wrote of both girls as love interests and CJ all together way before.

Still Margaret should've been shown more at the end.

They should have went with a mundane ending, and make it character driven.

Instead almost everyone took a backseat to Pop's GRAND FINAL BATTLE, which was cool I guess, but it left a lot of characters to just one quick joke roles.

Followed up with a "oh yea these characters exist, give them a where are they now montage quick!!"

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For once CN actually let them do some risky stuff, abeit not too much though.

Fuck these past 4 seasons could've been great if that dumb bitch running the network would've been laid back. Instead she acted like she was on her period the whole time.

>>89915679
Which is why he didnt want to give Mordecai his body back, right? So mature.

I would have preferred a whole episode than a montage to wrap things up
Great finale tho

>>89916938
>I want the finale to be filler
shame on you

>>89916884
That was a case of shit writing mixed with an actual acceptable story. Mordecai always had the advantage over Rigby throughout the whole show, he was finally able to do the same.

Shit writing came in when Mordecai said "I don't want to be a short tiny freak" which was the turning point to have Rigby be the jackass because he felt offended, when it was obviously "I'm not me, I'm a hybrid mix of you that happens to have the outcome of being small".

I fucking hate when that happens.''

>>89916961
I know what people mean when they say filler, and that's not filler. That's the epitome of a finale story.

>>89916961
nigga we didn't see what happened to Thomas, CJ or Margaret or more info on Bat
but I have to admit using Bowie was good

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>>89901163
>literally my moms bat

The finale went to shit right after Rigby playing games with his kids. Benson's segment onwards looked like complete ass. The only good part after that was the very end from the porch scene to Pops' line.

>>89906507
>bats are mammals
HOLY FUCKIN SHIT STOP THE FUCKIN PRESSES!

I just went back and watched Just Set Up The Chairs, out of all the Regular Show episodes, that one captured the transitional era of Cartoon Network perfectly. The animation, the backgrounds, the livelyness, it's a really good episode with some really good animation.

I bet if the later seasons had the same animation as the first 2 seasons but kept the same content it still has, people would like them more.

>>89917091
are you going to be okay

The last season had an incredible drop in writing quality. No one seemed to have any prior experience writing anything. It's lucky the last batch of episodes got better.

Rigby was highly flanderized to being a fucking retard, constantly saying words wrong and becoming a jackass at random times, the way they handled revealing Pops' origins was slow and by the time it got there we figured it out already and the reveal was boring but also cliche as fuck, and I still can't get over that in the 8TH SEASON they had a plot of "new characters come in but they're bad and the only people who know are the main characters and everyone else doesn't believe them". How do you fucking do that?

Plus they had a huge lack of giving a shit with their characters being in SPACE, it was like a background design change for the first half of the season with the space-related stories being pretty grounded. Also, for a show that focused on characters and how they feel about things, they hardly mentioned missing their family and wanted to talk to them again, friends too. The pacing was beyond horrible.

I can only imagine how wonderful the finale would be if it was Season 5 or earlier. Exit 9B is almost always regarded as the pinnacle idea of a finale, but by then they already started with the "dead end job" hinting that no one really liked being there sometimes, especially Mordecai, so a true finale would've settled on that.

After a few seasons this show lost the little things, and it added up.

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>>89909134
>Chochi will never update anything non-porn again
>if he does, it'll be skimmed over and forgotten

>>89906507
>bats are mammals

but do they do it like on the Discovery channel?

All these people confusing happiness with fulfillment.

>>89918628
yes except upside down

>>89917006
>That was a case of shit writing

Just like Rigby entire "arc".

Yes, he was a tremendous jerk in season 1 and 2. But there was no turning point for him. He just mellowed out suddenly. The reason were "some calls", they got, according to this interview with Quintel and Alex Hirsch:

http://nerdist.com/nerdist-writers-panel-97-j-g-quintel-and-alex-hirsch/

And then he remained the same from season 3 all the way to season 8.

I do not understand why people consider Rigby more mature. All he did was decide to get an easy degree that everyone else already had, with no intention to aspire to more than working at the park. How good he is at an actual relationship is questionable since Eileen loves him no matter what, with the show never going into detail with the two. Yeah, Mordecai definitely did nothing with his life in season 7, but then again I'd argue that having to climb a mountain is harder than running up a hill.

Why did Adventure Time's animation stay good mostly while Regular Show's went to Family Guy levels?

>>89917006
>>89917028
>side character development isn't filler
Tell me what is, then.

>>89918522
>over and forgotten
just like the artist himself

>>89919091

Adventure Time had the golden boy budget while regular show was slashed by 50% for each season

jg quinton actually had to write cartoon Network a check for $245 after going overbudget to have the last ten frames of the special colored

>>89919198
>>side character development isn't filler
That person said the whole montage should've been it's own final episode.

Tell me, how are Mordecai and Rigby side characters? Also every park cast member of the series became main characters rather than supporting ones.

I think you're missing what they said on purpose.

>>89919091
It's a mix of

- executive meddling
- not planning ahead and just going along with what little of a red plot thread there is
- the people working on it not caring, not knowing any better, being under executive boots or being straight up lazy
- low budget paired with unnecessary spending (e.g. instead of paying royalties for fucking Heroes you could have spent the money on a more satisfying ending)
- mistreatment when it comes to scheduling

>>89919273
I'd love if this was true, but aside from your Quinton messup, the last ten frames were a still image of the VHS tape, unless you meant something else.

But yea, AT has a golden boy budget. You can blame the animation cuts on all their music, but think about it like this- AT also does a few real songs, they have tons of guest animators (a fully 3D episode by that one 3D guy, 2 James Baxter episodes, etc.), and their animations don't ever have a dent.

>>89919280
>>nigga we didn't see what happened to Thomas, CJ or Margaret or more info on Bat
If you're referring to the original-original post- that barely made sense.

If that montage were turned into a whole episode it'd still be a montage, just a longer one. I'm pretty sure that'd be boring as fuck frankly.

>>89901293
Pics of the bat?

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>>89919329
>- not planning ahead and just going along with what little of a red plot thread there is
That's not animation, that's writing.

>- the people working on it not caring, not knowing any better, being under executive boots or being straight up lazy
The people working on it in the animation way are the people in Korea who get paid to animate. Less pay less effort.

The only way the people here in the states working on the show (the crew) are to blame are for the character designs, but also not really since the network turns down detailed designs.

This was Pops' first design of being a titan, what we got was a very bland DBZ rip off.

It's mostly CN's fault for what we visually see. How it's executed (writing) is a mix of CN being dicks and more uptight and also the crew not knowing how/what to do with some stories.

RS was a clusterfuck but the network was almost always 70% to blame. They tried to do a lot of good stuff but nope, not allowed, and the cut stuff was never even as bad as the show had got before.

Don't get me wrong, at times the crew was very incompetent, but fucking hell CN has been horrible with them.

>>89919492
Whoops, I overlooked the animation of part of your post. My list was more for a "Why did AT end up looking better in general, for both writing and animation".

>>89919534
Oh, alright, no worries.

Still got to post a lot of important stuff on the topic though.


From what we've seen of the cut footage and designs, the only thing I can see where CN is coming from cutting something is the original end to one of the early Halloween specials where the guys see their dead bodies on the side of the road being covered up by paramedics, and their driver taking them to hell. Sounds pretty cool in my opinion but I understand why it didn't make it. All the other stuff is some pretty bland stuff in comparison.

AT has done a lot more recently than Regular Show has been able to do in awhile, it's ridiculous.

>>89919492
Oh cool, is that the park guys on his head tower?

If he did look like that, the "Epic" in the title would be more justified.

>>89901293
Is Quintel the most /r9k/ tier cartoonist on the planet?

>>89909134
>The labels in Braille

How did I not notice this until now.

>>89919901
That would mean he hates women and would have made an effort to make all of them look bad.

He had his stand-in character obsess over getting one, Margaret and Eileen had lives, Margaret was a smart woman who was into her studies and got a good news job, Eileen was a fucking strong mary sue.

The only negative shit on them was poor writing based, not because they purposefully hated them.

>>89919930
>that would imply he hates women
He didn't have to make his insert hate women to present that message, he simply created characters that capture how shit women can be.

Marget road the cock carousal despite representing Mordicai's perfect match (She's a bird too) yet she fucks everything that is the opposite of him.

Incidentally there are a lot of girls that do this, Ever seen It Follows? it's a metaphor for it.

>>89911526
Actually, a writing cop-out is going home and the girl of his dreams jumps into his arms and he "wins" without doing anything.

If anything, it's brave writing to go against the typical convention of things and allow a main character to move on.

>>89901163
P O T T E R Y

>>89920055
>Marget road the cock carousal despite representing Mordicai's perfect match (She's a bird too) yet she fucks everything that is the opposite of him.

Hasn't been a thing since season 3 when they tried to make her more of a character instead of premise based goal.

>>89920144
And it's shit writing when it happens ignoring previous set ups. Which is the case here.

>>89920144
>It's brave
It's a cop out done multiple times in japan of all places.

No one likes to watch a character fade into mediocrity, we have real life for that.

>>89920248
>Hasn't been a thing since season 3
A ring ain't gonna make nobody forgot about that.

>>89920253
The biggest award winning movie this year ended like that though. So it can work.

>>89920275
What? They moved on from that tired running gag, you being obtuse and citing it as an argument is retarded.

>>89920275
It was in a way retconned, as that was no longer a part of her character dynamic, no one remembers it in-show.

>>89920282
>a movie is equivalent to a series running for roughly 7 years

>>89920323
Not a part of your conversation but it was 6 years and like 3 months or so. There's no roughly to it.

I hate that CN said 7 years to make themselves look good even though they went out of their way to rush 30 episodes in 2 months.

>>89909134
cute af

>>89920225
Of what

>>89901099
I'm at least glad that one crew member decided they should be lesbians in a comic.

>>89919091
Pfft, even Family Guy has its moments of fluidity.

Their main problem aside from resorting to arm motions and eyebrow raises to fill a scene is the fact that there's no resistance when they're doing something, like struggling to hold something up, their arms go back and forth in the same pace. It's horrible. RS at least has resistance.

>>89919492
Anymore rejected designs?

>>89921043
I'm surprised how big of a budget Family Guy has considering they hardly use it. Every episode seems to have a huge theatrical movie budget when they want to let loose.