Marvel wants the Rebirth audience.

File: secret empire.jpg (115KB, 992x558px) Image search: [Google]

115KB, 992x558px

>>89836843
>What if your greatest ally was secretly your greatest enemy? Beginning May 3rd, prepare for Marvel Comics’ SECRET EMPIRE! Blockbuster creators Nick Spencer, Steve McNiven, Andrea Sorrentino and Leinil Yu are ready to challenge the entire Marvel Universe as they unite the Avengers, X-Men, Defenders, Champions, Inhumans, Spider-Man, and more, as an unwavering front against the SECRET EMPIRE!

>The Marvel Universe is under siege from within! Due to the manipulations of the Red Skull, Captain America, secretly a true believer in the cause of Hydra, uses the trust and respect he has gained over the years to a position where he can enacts Hydra’s ideals against the Marvel Universe and it’s up to all heroes to unite against one of the greatest challenges they have ever faced.

>Marvel’s Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso said, “SECRET EMPIRE is the rallying cry for all the heroes -- Avengers, Guardians, Defenders, X-Men, Spider-Man, Deadpool – to put aside their differences and unify in the defense of the Marvel Universe."

>That unification is what will be needed to confront Steve Rogers since all the heroes close to Cap have been be influenced by him over the years. SVP and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort said, "Our heroes will be tested both physically and morally against one of the most trusted heroes of all time and that's the aspect of this story our characters face and what forces them to come together."

>Forged together as one - the Avengers, the Champions, the Defenders, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Inhumans, the X-Men, and more will be tested as Hydra’s grip tightens around the Marvel Universe and SECRET EMPIRE unleashes a horde of villains against those who have sworn to protect the innocent. Be here as SECRET EMPIRE launches this May from Nick Spencer, Steve McNiven and Marvel Comics.

>SECRET EMPIRE #1
>Written by NICK SPENCER
>Art by STEVE MCNIVEN
>Cover by MARK BROOKS
>Look for it in the the March Marvel PREVIEWS!
>On Sale in May!

Marvel will miss the biggest appeal of rebirth and will put Bendis "I think the characters I don't like are shit" Bendis in charge.

>>89836843
If the rumors are to be believed, not until 2018.

>>89836874
They're already ruining it by putting fucking Guggenheim in charge of the X-Men.

File: x-men-legacy-20111021115520401-000.jpg (176KB, 465x698px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 465x698px

>>89836843
Thing is, their X-Men lineup sucks balls. Right down to getting rid of Rachel Summer's awesome costume.

They'll never do an actual reset of all their comics and I wouldn't want them to just erase the decades of history the characters have

>>89836996
Rebirth isn't a reboot, quite the opposite in fact.

>>89836996
I mean, resets always suck. They just retell the stuff you know, and characters you want to see always get altered when they show up, usually for the worst.

>>89837031
Marvel won't do a reboot, but it looks like ResurrXion and Secret Empire and what comes after isa relaunch.

Also, isn't the movie and comics/tv-series divisions of Marvel now separate? If so, isn't it obvious that Marvel would like to put their X-titles in the spotlight since they have Legion and that other X-men tv-series coming up?

I have to wonder which route Marvel would go to "roll back" Spider-Man: undoing OMD or heading all the way back to the 70's.

They like marketing the idea of CollegePeter, but the Whales want MJ.

>>89837031
Readers like continuity, but only assholes want stories to be shackled to canon. We care when discrepencies arise from carelessness, but most don't like stories focused on explaining plotholes or redefining details and status quo.

That's why Byrne's Spidey Chapter One failed, but you'll be hard pressed to find haters for Busiek's Untold Tales.

>>89836843
Even if ResurrXion is their attempt at going back to the "meat and potatoes" that people like, they're not going to win back many people by putting fucking Guggenheim on a flagship book.

>>89836901
This, i was stoked when it was teased, totally underwhelmed w/ the teams and creatives

>>89836843

>Iceman
SJW shit

>Cable
No news on it

>Jean Grey

Hopeles trash

>X-Men Blue

05 again

>X-Men Gold

Organic Writer

>Generation X

"We want the tumblr audience"

>Weapon X

Good writer, but shit artist.

This shit is gonna flop. At least the Inhuans ResurrXion lineup looks good.

>>89837915
GenX has a chance, but it all depends on how its approached.

File: organic.jpg (258KB, 720x1106px) Image search: [Google]

258KB, 720x1106px

>>89836901
>getting rid of Rachel Summer's awesome costume
Don't forget giving her the new codename (I am not making this up): "Prestige"

>Iceman
>Still gay

If they wanted the rebirth audience they'd make Iceman straight again.

>>89837972
No, i genuinely like Ewing and Black Bolt's solo looks good as well.

>>89837915

>giving x-titles to fucking Land

WHY

>>89836843
My LCS told me there was an Excalibur project involved in this. Is there?

>>89838141
No. You can clearly read the names of the titles on OP's pic.

Marvel lost Hickman, Remender and Tom King. Is there really any hope for them?

File: this will be bad.jpg (34KB, 493x342px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 493x342px

>>89838078
>i genuinely like Ewing

>>89838201
>implying those are all the good writers left
Casual.

>>89838201
Those writers are mediocre tho

File: Jean-Grey-2-Cover-David-Yardin.jpg (187KB, 864x1312px) Image search: [Google]

187KB, 864x1312px

Hope is back

I'm willing to try

>Weapon X
>X-men Blue
>Cable

These have the best creative teams. Except Land on Weapon X.

File: Amilcar Pinna generation x.jpg (659KB, 1264x1920px) Image search: [Google]

659KB, 1264x1920px

>>89837967
>GenX has a chance, but it all depends on how its approached.
Christina Strain, the author, has never written a comic as far as I know. She was a COLORIST for series like “Runaways” and “S.H.I.E.L.D” then quit and got a degree in screenwriting and did some work on the first season of The Magicians on Syfy.

The artist is image related.

So Jubilee is now teaching class in Central Park (???) at the rechristened Xavier Institute; because sure, why not?

>>89838282

>written by Hopeless

File: 1484287258479.png (862KB, 666x1024px) Image search: [Google]

862KB, 666x1024px

>>89838361

>Weapon X

patrician taste

File: Paco Medina Us Avengers 003.jpg (397KB, 1186x1800px) Image search: [Google]

397KB, 1186x1800px

>>89838208
>we hates fun, we does! WE HATES IT!
Can you show us on the dolly where Fun touched you, anon?

>>89838446
>muh fun
Not him, but goddamn are you genuinely retarded.

>>89838372
Kinda my point: we just don't know how it's gonna turn out.

>>89838361
>>89838401
>Weapon X
>yet another "X Men facing extinction" book and storyline
yeah no thanks

File: lawdy mercy.jpg (17KB, 320x246px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 320x246px

>>89836843
>Jean gets a solo

They really cannot recreate the success from 90s X-Men can they

>>89838566
Shadow the Edgehog?

>>89837850
Someone claiming to be a "Marvel Insider" was spouting crap saying that Guggenheim and the guy writing the other X-Books are only seat fillers.

Supposedly Chris Yost is going to be the real "ResurreXion" but because he's busy doing animation work on Rebels, he wasn't going to be available in time for the relaunch of the line. So they hired Guggenheim as a glorified pinch hitter for the first arc and he's going off of Yost's notes, until Yost himself can start writing the books himself

File: Generation-X-teaser.jpg (140KB, 600x922px) Image search: [Google]

140KB, 600x922px

>>89838514
>we just don't know how it's gonna turn out.
Lets see: a writer with *zero* industry experience and a crap artist with a
crap team: Quentin Quire, Bling!, Eye-Boy, Benjamin Deeds (aka Not-Morph),
Nature Girl, and an OC named Hindsight (power = psychometry) being taught by single mom and still vampire Jubilee.

Imma go ahead and call this one DOA.

File: uncle guggie wants you to stop.jpg (48KB, 639x574px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 639x574px

>>89838671
>they hired Guggenheim as a glorified pinch hitter
I doubt the guy running Arrow would be willing to do that. Of his many many issues "lack of self esteem/ego" is clearly not one of them.

>>89838372
I want Deerfu to peg me with her antlers

>>89838253
>>89838274
Your denial is showing anons.

>>89837915
Isn't there still the X-Humans are something like that? So far we haven't got anything but it might be good.

Also the whole lineup of Gen X makes me so fucking mad. Why the fuck do they think that we want Quire or any of the Bendis X-Men back? The majority of comic fans don't and we don't want the O5 either. At the moment it's like Marvel is Skinner asking if he is so out of touch

>>89838282
Why did Captain Marvel did her mohawk purple?

>>89839800
Second did should be dye, can't type for shit today.

>>89837989
Really she's not Marvel Girl anymore? Let me guess it's because she's not affiliated with Carol?

>>89838208
So why do you not like Ewing's writing?

Genuinely curious.

>>89837989
I don't know why Marvel refuses to let Cullen Bunn write Rachel. He's a big fan of the character and has stated in several interviews he would like to use her. I realize Marc Guggenheim is also a Rachel fan, as he seems to have a habit of writing X-Men comics centering around Rachel, but in my opinion, Bunn is a better writer overall.

File: heisrigth.jpg (6KB, 224x225px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 224x225px

>>89836901
not to mention logan and rigthclops are still kill

>>89839789
>spoiler
All of fucking this. If they're mooching off Rebirth, they're gonna have to think a bit harder.

>>89838021
this too

>>89838671
>Yost
Fingers crossed, this might actually be good.

>>89838201
>Marvel lost Hickman
That's why things have a chance to get better. Needs writers who can actually write superheroes and not drag forever to an anticlimax, thank you.

>>89840313
I think they're bringing Wolverine back next year.

>>89838671
I would absolutely love it if they put Yost back on a main X-title.

>>89838119
Kieron Gillen make Greg Land's tracings work by going with the Tom Goes to the Mayor route. Instead of serious, hard hitting narratives, Gillen went the complete opposite and had Land draw a bunch of visual gags and ridiculous expressions because the characters' dialogue was essentially shit posting.

>>89837915
Cable is going to be written by Robinson

>>89837675
Anyone who doesn't like MJ is pure pleb and should fucking kill themselves.

>>89836861

I'm surprised they didn't work in a "THE MARVEL UNIVERSE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN!" In this pitch

>>89838282
>The "we wuz Phoenix" crowd
Fugg the concept is really cool but I swore never to read this book

>>89837989
Every time I see her new costume, I get mad all over again.

It not even just that it's bad, it's bad in such an uncreative way. If you didn't know who she was, you'd assume she was another flying brick.

File: New_X-Men_Vol_2_20.jpg (97KB, 500x769px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 500x769px

>>89839789
why use any of this guys im i rigth?

>>89838282
Can we go a decade without a fucking Phoenix story?

>>89840626
Is that Dust?

>>89840633
yes

>>89836874
>Marvel will miss the biggest appeal of rebirth

Yeah because they will fuck it up and charge $4.99

>>89836843
They're obviously leading up to a "heroes are acting like heroes again!" branding and have been for at least a year (so, before they knew the election results).

The comics for the last year are full of talk about how heroes are acting like assholes and they spend most of their time fighting each other. Obviously the next step is "heroes join together to fight the real menace, HYDRA-Cap."

And then they'll have a Heroic Age type thing going for another 6 months until Civil War 3.

>>89840313
>not to mention logan and rigthclops are still kill

Then there is no real X-Men "rebirth"

>>89840215
He doesn't. It's a board meme.

>>89837830
The main problem with Chapter One was that there was no real reason to go back and "update" or pull a reboot on Spider-Man's past at that time. I could understand Byrne doing the Man of Steel miniseries for Superman because the DCU just changed its entire history. But there was nothing that would set up Spider-Man's history to be rebooted (at that point in time). Byrne got a reputation for being Mr. Fixit back in the 80's, but there's a reason there's a saying that goes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

On top of that the comic was also getting ire because he outright said he was going to jettison Untold Tales from canon.

>>89839789
>>Also the whole lineup of Gen X makes me so fucking mad. Why the fuck do they think that we want Quire or any of the Bendis X-Men back? The majority of comic fans don't and we don't want the O5 either. At the moment it's like Marvel is Skinner asking if he is so out of touch

"Now, Christina's moving into the X-Men franchise, and writing her first ongoing: Generation X. She was given a surprising amount of leeway — her editor Daniel Ketchum essentially said, “Come up with a concept and list of teen mutants you'd want for a relaunch of Generation X.”

If you want to blame anyone for the lineup of Gen X, place it almost solely on the writer.
https://moviepilot.com/p/generation-x-christina-strain-comic-book-writer/4182171

>>89841325
we haven't got out the drive way man and everything is already on fire man.

>>89839789
They are using Quire because he is going to be the next Sunspot, Sunspot used to be x-men writers pet now while Jason Aaron continue writing for marvel you will see him more often.

So is Marvel allowing writers to come up with new mutant characters again or what? If not, it's not really a resurrxion, is it?

>>89838748
Of course you want, this is /co/.

>>89841422
Until Marvel steers its top talent to the X-Men again instead of forcing it to make do with the likes of Guggenheim, we're not going to see any X-resurgence.

Like, I don't know if a Ta-Nehisi Coates X-men would suck. Probably it would suck. But it would get publicity, and obvously he would rather be doing that than Black Panther.

They could get lots of big name writers to do X-Men if they wanted, they just don't want to "waste" writers on a low-priority line.

>>89839789
>being a characterfag
God forbid the writers actually give us variety or try stuff that isn't just fan favorites.

>>89837989
Why is Shadowcat such a fucking Mary Sue?

>>89842304
Waifu

>>89842304
jew magic

File: 1610 Kitty and Spidey.jpg (97KB, 710x526px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 710x526px

>>89842304
Because she's so purrrrfect

>>89842492
>it's a "guess the porn pose" panel

>>89837338
They might not have he movie rights, but they do the merchandising ones. And the xmen have always sold toys. And now that Marvel studios is separate, the comics division dont really care anymore.

>>89842515
My guess is its a woman lying down on a bed with her arms around a man's neck.

>>89840626
New X-Men at least incorporated a shitload of older characters and had a lot of heart. Quire is a character that's impossible to do anything with because he's insufferable and no one but a few fans like him.

Both he and the O5 teens are just awful characters who should be shoved far away.

>>89842605
Wrong. She's being reamed from behind.

>>89842666
The face is, but I think it got pasted on separately from the body

>>89836874
>>89836899
>>89840704
These are all probably true, but what Marvel will REALLY miss by attempting to do their own Rebirth is the actual heart of DC Rebirth. It isn't about setting everything back to Square One in the universe and hoping for the best, it's about finding what readers love about the characters, what characters are loved or desired the most, and what writers work the best in whatever genre they're given.

It's not just about the DC Universe, but about the entire DC fanbase. It's not just about fixing mistakes, but learning from them as well.

>>89842078
I don't mind new things, I'd be a hypocrite if I did. After all, the X-Men have been about new things. However, Quire is a character I loathe because >>89841404. The difference between Sunspot and Quire though is the quality of writing. Sunspot's original thing was that he was an anger prone guy who acted impulsively. Despite that, you could always see the reasoning and logic behind his actions. However, the writers were aware of something called progression. That meant that Sunspot was treated like he was a dick by the others and he suffered consequences for his actions. As a result, slowly but surely Sunspot grew as a person and a character.

Quire on the other hand is a piece of shit. He was originally written as a school shooter, showing how pathetic such individuals would actually have to be. How at the end of the day they just wanted attention. Aaron then took control of Quire and turned him into the definition of a Mary Sue. A character who acted like a dick to everyone and suffered no consequences for it. Everyone who was against him suffered humiliating fates. Mentored by Wolverine, turned into the X-Men's telepath, became a Phoenix Host in the future. All the while not developing an iota or having any logic to or awareness of his character unlike Sunspot.

>>89840626
It's why the guys in this post's pic were great and at least SOME of them should have been in Gen X. They were a generation of teenagers, when teenagers were being written realistically. They were hormonal, emotional messes who didn't immediately get on or even like each other. Like most teenagers. However, they grew as characters over the run. However, their story has not been completed yet and people want to see where they land. If Marvel had it's finger on the pulse, they would have been the Gen X team.

Also the whole nothing new is why I am against the O5. They are not anything new. They are a boring rehash of something that has finished.

>>89842492
how can land even sleep at nigth

>>89839588
What denial? There are plenty of other good writers left, casual.

>>89843122
Give me a list so I can have a good laugh.

>>89842704
>the actual heart of DC Rebirth
>implying a soulless cash-in by a faceless corporation has a "heart"
kek

>>89843145
Oh, I get it, you're asking me to give you a list and then you'll mindlessly dismiss them all just to be a contrarian. Maybe next time, master shitposter.

>>89843220
So there aren't any good writers left at Marvel. I knew it.

>>89843324
Learn to read, I never said these good writers were at Marvel, I said there's good writers left period.

Also, way to prove me right, master shitposter.

>>89843395
>all this backpedaling

>>89843429
>all this low-effort shitposting

>>89843557
>all these delicious tears

>>89843429
>>89843557
>>89843692
Now kiss

>>89836843
Nah, no matter what event shit they pull, MArvel's writing has been ass for months now. So unless this event ends with actual firing and hiring of writers, nothing will really change.

>>89836843
they might as well let claremont out of whatever basement they have him shackled up in, couldnt be any worse

>>89843986

the writers and creative teams they do have are all still in the Marvel bubble and its like they've got some retarded group-think cult situation going on where they're all pretending like everythings fine.

Marvel has put themselves at the point now where they should have actually rebooted the whole fuckin thing and done a Nu52 right after hickmans secret wars.. lots of people would be pissed, thered be tons of blowback but it would be something.... they're fuckin mired in continuity, legacy characters, event fatigue, low sales.... just clean off the fucking blackboard other than the bulletpoints and basics and start again.

>>89844135

Afterthought.... They need an imprint or subsection of the line that is based on the cinematic stuff, where ppl can pick up books that are in line with the movies theyve seen... keep it seperate like the ultimate line was, and keep a good chunk of books in actual 616 no synergy world where you tell actuall good superhero stories again.

>>89842704
They still kept Maxwell Lord as a cunt tho, for whatever retarded reason, no?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12278406/r

>>89844135
The only thing I can think of that's letting them put out shitty books at 4 to 5 dollars a month is that the Movie studio wants them around. How can Marvel comics be making any profit?

I was against a Nu52 reboot of the series, but now, shits so bad even if they did get the writing back on track, I'd still be soured on the publisher as a whole. They should just burn it all to the ground and start over. Kills a lot of new characters, but fuck em.

>>89844206
I thought that's why the Ultimate universe existed til they fucked it all up. A lot of early Marvel Movie stuff took note from the Ultimate universe.

>>89844244
No matter how many new universe you have, you can't unshoot Blue Beetle.

>>89844135
They would be in the same deep shit as they are now, if not worse. It would be the PERFECT dropping point for the annoyed readers after the recent years.

>>89843986
>MArvel's writing has been ass for months now
try YEARS

>>89844273
fuck off

>>89844321
>years
Did it start with Age of Ultron? Or did Civil War's Heroes vs. Heroes ruin any chance at traditional hero stories?

>>89844303
They did it in that future book, right before Rebirth.

>>89844281
>A lot of early Marvel Movie stuff took note from the Ultimate universe.
Basically most of what's wrong with the cinematic universe.

>>89844364
It's arguable. Was it when the ultimate universe writers started leaking into 616? Bendis' Avengers? Morrison's X-Men? JMS' Spider-Man?
I mean, there were good things in the meantime, but then they fuck everything up at once. Probably around AvX, or a bit later.
"Oh hey, let's replace EVERYONE because fuck classic Marvel. Fans are gonna buy no matter what, right? lol"

The legacy push really started in 2011, if I recall, more or less around the time AvX came out and the "Superior" gimmick started, so guess I'd go with that timeframe.

>>89842984
Safely, knowing that while the Quesadilla is still there, he has job security.

>>89844564
Fuck man, you're right. Issues happened randomly. AvX was weird and lead into a Bendis run of X-Men. AXIS happend but didn't really have an effect on the situation. Superior Spider-Man was good for some, bad for others. Personally, I liked it, but the change back to Peter showed how stale the writing had become. Superior Iron Man was neat but ended because of Secret Wars, which kill 100% of the momentum every comic had and did nothing with it once it was over. I think Ewing's found ways to make the writing chaos work for his stories but others have just fallen flat to Event tie-ins that are poorly written and make for bad structure in other books. Bendis alone has had 2 major event flops that I can think of, Civil War 2 and Age of Ultron. Nothing good cam from these events and it soured the main reader base. It sucks because Marvel's grounded to "reality" heroes was why I loved them more than DC's Gods. But now, DC makes their Gods way more humanizing that the weird politically motivated heroes Marvel is pushing.

>>89845153
>It sucks because Marvel's grounded to "reality" heroes was why I loved them more than DC's Gods. But now, DC makes their Gods way more humanizing that the weird politically motivated heroes Marvel is pushing.

When i first started picking up comics in 2001ish I was a total Marvel kid and had been my whole adolescent life but over the years I went to more Image/Vertigo/Dark Horse stuff and am now picking up some DC, Rebirth Superman is refreshing as hell given the indie stuff I've been reading and what Marvels done over the past decade or so.. I just want enjoyable superhero comics again without politics and dourness thrown in to make it seem all super serious.

>>89845930
Rebirth Superman is a great example of what I love about the rebirth. A lot of it has just been Superman being a great dad and Great hero. He isn't dealing with Right Wing extremist or some kind of dumb hero infighting. He's just being Superman and doing his best and coming out on top. Rebirth made me really see that my "boy scout" view of Superman was very childish.

>>89838671
>Yost leaving Rebels to do comics

I really doubt that. Yost was always someone who prefered TV even if his comic work is good. remember Wolverine and the X-Men? That was Yost. He only went back to comics after that was cancelled.

"We're Marvel comics! We are all about politics!"
"Actually fuck that, we need the dosh, NO MORE POLITICS! THE X-MEN ARE HEROES NOT MINORITY PARALLELS!"

Jesus fuck, just learn how to write your shit subtle, don't amp it to the extreme.
I hate Marvel writers 'cause most of the time they don't know how to write something that isn't as direct as a straight road.

I had a blast with Araki's Steel Ball Run, a comic that showed philosophical concepts, well-written characters, and even believable and understandable political beliefs that can be interpreted as either an selfless act of protection or a selfish ideology that's filled with flaws in the case of Funny Valentine's character development.

Like, you can write your comics the way you were doing, but jesus just don't shove it at someone's face, let the reader connect the dots and see wheter or not they agree with your stance on the character or not.