Cynical pandering in movie form

My question is why do the first two Raimi Spider-Man films feel so alien to the rest of Marvel?

SOME MUCH BAIT IN ONE POST!!!

>>89807291
>le upvote, like, reblog, and subscribe XD

still butthurt no one likes your DC kino, eh /tv/?

they pander hope and Dc panders Edge.

one actually makes money and the other flops

There are somethings that OP said that I agree with and there are somethings that OP said that I don't agree with.

>>89807393
>they pander hope.
Nothing about the MCU is hopeful tho. These films have zero tension and people mistake as bright and hopeful.

MCU has a narrative that was given enough time to develop, the characters are sympathetic at least some of the time, and the people in charge understand the core of the characters involved and are willing to portray them on the big screen.

DCEU has a narrative that tries to do in five movies what the MCU spent six movies, released over four years, to achieve. The characters differ too much from their other adaptations and aren't really sympathetic, and WB can't help but meddle in every stage of development, to the point where directors can be fired and scripts can be rewritten even though the movie supposedly has a released date.

TL;DR: one studio has been allowed time to develop itself while the other can't even scratch its own ass without WB going "reshoots, rewrites, recast, etc."

>>89807291
see this OP

>>89797467
many posts and many posters

your glorified blog post has very few of either and will die quickly

let this be a lesson to you if you want to talk shit about a movie universe make sure it's the right one

>>89807291
How about I dab on you instead, op?

>>89807393
If anything the DCEU are the hopeful superhero films. There the one with the central message that the world may seem bad at surface value, their still good in people and that Tomorrow will be better.

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>>89807291
>OP manages to piss off Marlel shills

>>89807488
>your glorified blog post has very few of either and will die quickly
You're keeping this thread alive with this post anon.

>>89807478
>the people in charge understand the core of the characters involved and are willing to portray them on the big screen.
PFFFFFFT!

>>89807468
DCEU is a better contender for movies that have "zero tension" than the MCU though.

In the MCU, even if the heroes win, everything that happens still has a long-lasting effect on the cinematic universe, which also extends to their auxilliary shows like "Agents of Shield," which means that the world changes due to the presence of aliens and powered being roaming around, especially since HYDRA is still a thing.

In the DCEU, everyone involved is unsympathetic and nothing that happens has any long lasting effects on the universe as a whole. Even Superman's death seems shallow since we knew way back when that they'd just bring him back after a movie or two.

>>89807547
It's okay man, it's not your fault that you can't recognize a decent adaptation.

>>89807505
>DCEU
>Hopeful
If it was so hopeful then people wouldn't be praying that the next film is actually decent.

>>89807478
>MCU has a narrative that was given enough time to develop.
The MCU narrative is actually pretty weak. none of these movies really flow together to tell the story of Thanos and the infinity gems, they all kist crashed into each other.

>>89807505
>and that Tomorrow will be better.

So why their movie get worse and worse with each flick?

>>89807360
>>89807393
>>89807478
>>89807488
>OP writers a post criticizing MCU without even mentioning DCEU
>everyone's response is basically WELL DCEU IS STILL WORSE
If you can only praise a product for being better at something than some other product, that's not very good of a product to begin with.

Products have to have their own quality, the one that can be seen without having to compare it to their inferiors. OP criticized the quality of MCU movies. Instead of discussing the universe as in of itself, you start discussing it in comparison to another universe. That only proves that MCU movies are literally so fucking dull and safe that even their fans can't really discuss them on their own, without comparing them to DCEU.

>>89807560
>everything that happens still has a long-lasting effect on the cinematic universe.
lol good one anon.

>>89807607
When you consider that the MCU encompasses 14 movies (that were released ATM), Agents of Shield, and several of the Marvel Netflix shows, it honestly flows a lot better then you'd expect for something like this.

Not saying it's perfect but it's workable considering how many projects are involved.

>>89807629
>If you can only praise a product for being better at something than some other product, that's not very good of a product to begin with.
Which is why DCEU fanboys constantly shit on MCU as well? Seriously, is this your first day on 4chan or something?

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>>89807560
>everything that happens still has a long-lasting effect on the cinematic universe
>the world changes due to the presence of aliens and powered being roaming around
no it doesn't
I remember one thing in Ant-Man that ticked me off in particular was when police came at the climax, they had plain usual guns and OF COURSE they were useless.
Why the fuck would they have plain guns in a world where super-powered criminals are a very real thing? Has nobody bothered to develop some kind of a laser gun technology for them? Maybe that's what Tony Stark should be doing instead of inveting Ultrons?
Apparently not, because there is no long-lasting effect on the universe.
Also, why was Stark back as Iron Man in the first place after the events of IM 3? Was that EVER explained?

>>89807560
>that the world changes due to the presence of aliens and powered being roaming around.
Yeah 9/11 times ten happened in Manhatten and the worst thing that happen is that Hell's kitchen temporarily became a shithole again. Tony's father created the flying car in the 40s but everyone drives normal cars. Nazis created Superweapons that outclassed modern weapons but the US military still uses conventional weapons.

>>89807629
What the he'll is your point?

The MCU is outstanding and there's nothing quite like it. The only nearest comparison is the DCEU, which is, for all intensive purposes, bad. So it should be no surprise when people also mention DCEU

Now go back to your hugbox BvS threads on /tv/.

>>89807685
>Why the fuck would they have plain guns in a world where super-powered criminals are a very real thing?


What the fuck? 99,999999% of the crimes are made by regular people doing regular things, even on that world.

We get all the super folk that showed up so far know earth, and it would be less than 40.

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>>89807629
and yet the MCU puts out better stuff than DC EVER has

>>89807636
The events of the Avengers reveals to the world that aliens and heroes exist, which leads to several individuals (including HYDRA and SHIELD) getting their hands on Chitauri tech.

Winter Soldier also affects the narrative in "Agents of SHIELD" since the public associates SHIELD with HYDRA and now the characters within the show have to work in secret without the public realizing that they're a thing.

And even Age of Ultron affects Agents of SHIELD during the second season, when SHIELD's decision to meet with the Inhumans was based on what happened in Sakovia, as well as what could happen if a society of powered being decided to go rogue and attack society.

To say nothing on Civil War and how the Accords were being signed because of all the destruction caused throughout the MCU.

I mean, I'm sorry you haven't watched any MCU flicks but don't try and claim that nothing that happens has no quantifiable effect on the overall narrative.

>>89807560
>everyone involved is unsympathetic. Bullshit.
>nothing that happens has any long lasting effects on the universe as a whole.
Bullshit. These movies are way better interconnected than the MCU, Superman legitimately changed the world and is credited with all the freaks coming out of hiding.

>>89807701
>Tony's father created the flying car in the 40s but everyone drives normal cars.

Flying cars exist for quite some time, but they are not practical due to a lot of limitations.

The USA military had a super weapon and had plenty of hellcarriers, that were show to be infiltred by Hydra. All for this is adressed on Winter Soldier.

>>89807707
You only prove my point further. I actually recognized DCEU as being inferior, but apparently you have dyslexia or something. Anyway, my main point was that you're all strawmanning. Instead of directly rebutting the opponent's actual arguments, which had nothing to do with DCEU, you start making up things about your opponent's opinions and rebutting and mocking that instead. Is that because you can't actually rebutt said arguments?

>>89807758
>The events of the Avengers reveals to the world that aliens and heroes exist,
Shouldn't Iron man amd Thor done that already?

>>89807763
Motherfucker was showcasing androids in the 40s.

>>89807685
Even if there are powered beings and the like, do you really think that ordinary cops would have the budget to afford non-conventional weaponry?

Even then, do you really think that they'll buy expensive weaponry when most of their perps are going to be ordinary people that can be taken out using conventional weaponry anyways?

Not to mention, how exactly would non-conventional weaponry help within the context of dealing with someone who can shrink and grow at will?

Seriously anon, use that brain between your shoulders.

>>89807763
>All for this is adressed on Winter Soldier..
No it's not.

>>89807701
>Yeah 9/11 times ten happened in Manhatten and the worst thing that happen is that Hell's kitchen temporarily became a shithole again.
Thanks to the Avengers keeping the destruction contained to a comparatively small part of NYC.
>Tony's father created the flying car in the 40s but everyone drives normal cars.
Maybe flying cars aren't as practical or couldn't be mass produced quite as easily as normal cars. I mean, Coulson has a flying car but that could be rationalized as him being a SHIELD agent who is also best friends with director Fury.
> Nazis created Superweapons that outclassed modern weapons but the US military still uses conventional weapons.
It was addressed in "The First Avenger" that while tesseract powered weapons had a one-hit kill setting, they also couldn't keep up with a conventional weapon's rate of fire. Like for every soldier they killed, at least five of their own would get gunned down in the time it took to fire another blast.

>>89807721
>We get all the super folk that showed up so far know earth, and it would be less than 40.
So I suppose all that super folk doesn't matter enough for us to advance our technology, but it matters enough to enforce super-powered people registration and claim all who disagree as criminals?
>>89807819
>Not to mention, how exactly would non-conventional weaponry help within the context of dealing with someone who can shrink and grow at will?
That would at least show some effort on their side, the "long-lasting effects".

>>89807759
Some Superman right?

>>89807326
Raimi films were self-contained in their own universe and didn't try to be a big, extended one.

>>89807907
>So I suppose all that super folk doesn't matter enough for us to advance our technology
But they have weapons, guns and even hellcarriers for this reason. Shield has them, not regular cops.

>but it matters enough to enforce super-powered people registration and claim all who disagree as criminals?

Fucking yes too.

But this isn't even the plot of Civil War, that is the accords.

>>89807790
Actually it's because DCEU fanboys have been invading /co/ for months, spreading their console war bullshit from their containment board on /tv/, and people automatically assume that anyone who shits on MCU is a DCEU shill since there'd be no reason to make a thread otherwise.

People don't have to defend MCU every waking hour because it's already a successful franchise, you can think that it's not all it's cracked up to be but don't sit here and imply that just because people defend it and draw comparisons to the only other similar product available that it somehow means that the product is bad.

Otherwise any point of comparison would mean that both products were shit if we went by your logic.

The movies allow me to forget about how shitty life is for 2 hours at a time. That's enough, and more than I can say for most things.

>>89807792
Iron Man simply had a weapons dealer develop a suit that allows him to fly and take out terrorists; it's amazing but it's nothing that the military couldn't recreate if given enough time and the proper blueprints (which they did in IM2).

Thor took place in a small town in New Mexico and the bulk of the movie never really spreads out beyond that since SHIELD manages to contain everything that happened before it reached the general public.

>>89807291
Does it really matter when people just like the movies?

Why are you making such a big deal out of nothing?

>>89807893
>Maybe flying cars aren't as practical or couldn't be mass produced quite as easily as normal cars.
You should still see them, ot's a flying car for fuck's sake. You're tellong the ultra-rich is chomping on the bit for that you? Hell ignore the flying car and gocus on how it was flying! Howard Stark made jet propulsion technology obsolete before it even came out.

>>89807947
Why do DCEU fans keep mentioning Star Wars and Ghostbusters? That's one thing I don't understand.

>>89807947
>Otherwise any point of comparison would mean that both products were shit if we went by your logic.
If this comparison is the only argument either of the sides have, then yes.

>>89807991
OH LOOK A NORMIE HERE
LET'S ALL POINT AT HIM AND LAUGH

>>89807893
>Thanks to the Avengers keeping the destruction contained to a comparatively small part of NYC.
IT'S STILL A FUCKiNG ALiEN BATTLE ON NEW YORK! 9/11 completely changed America but the farthest change in the MCU is Hell's kitchen dod the time warp back to the 80s.

>>89808017
High RT scores perceived as undeserved.

>another dc fan butthurt general

>>89808017
They show that people don't want to be challenged.

>>89807907
>That would at least show some effort on their side, the "long-lasting effects".
The thing is though, an individual powered being could have practically any superpower in the world but most times, they aren't going to be bulletproof. Ordinary cops wouldn't have the clearance to use the bullshit that we see in Agents of SHIELD for example and even if they could, they'd still be outmatched by HYDRA who have technology similar to SHIELD's as well as several powered beings on their side as well.

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>>89807999
Dude, flying car have exist for 30 years on the REAL world, and you apparently doesn't even know about them.

>>89808113
>you can't criticized the marvel movies or else you're a butthurt DC fanboy.

>>89807291
Are you a supervillian?

>>89808041
Even if people are able to explain why they feel as though MCU is better using examples that can be seen in both products?

>>89808071
>completely changed America but the farthest change in the MCU is Hell's kitchen dod the time warp back to the 80s.


What about the huge flying super weapons on Winter Soldier, meant to kill enemies of the country before they did anything?

>>89808136
>people who like DC movies are challenged
at least you admit it

>>89807291
>>89807291
>The Avengers main goal seems to be simply maintaining the status quo against some dreaded other that threatens the stability of what the Marvel films continue to present as the best of all possible worlds.
Anon, to some degree this is true of all cape comics.

Super-people are expected to punch criminals in
the face, and not use their abilities in any way that could threaten the continued existence of the political/economical system they originate from.
Look at how characters who take a proactive stance against the status quo are depicted. They inevitably become power-hungry fascists, which indirectly undermines any valid point they had about the ways things were and closes the discussion. Faced with the threat of totalitarianism, suddenly reverting to the status quo will seem entirely palatable, and in the end nothing's changed.
Despite all the "liberals!" groaning, superhero stories are basically conservative in the sense that heroes willl never achieve true change for their world, because they're only allowed to fight the symptoms of injustice, not the roots of it.

Cape comics are fun though.

>>89808191
And then Steve goes to other countries killing enemies before they do anything?

It amaze me how blind people is to Steve being more of a cunt than Ultimate steve

>>89808175
>g-guys trust me, i'm not bitching because my anus is hurt because dceu is crap

>>89808170
yeah that's a flying car like a hoverboard is an actual hoverboard

>>89808179
Well, technically, nah.

>>89808170
That's not a flying car, that's a personal jet. Not even comparable to what we saw on Captaon America.

>>89808220
>And then Steve goes to other countries killing enemies before they do anything?

When?

>>89808175
Basically yes, because only DC fanboys still bother trying to claim that MCU is bad even after everyone else has accepted that it's at the very least an okay franchise featuring Marvel characters.

>>89808191
Doesn't count because reasons.
Just like how Tony's PTSD from the events of Avengers and the resultant creation of the Iron Legion and Ultron as a coping mechanism for that PTSD don't count.

The only "consequence" people want to see is skulls for the skull throne. Can't get a full erection unless a bunch of nondescript redshirts die horrible mangled deaths to show how real shit has gotten. Nothing else matters.

>>89808228
>>89808232

You should research before posting, it's a flying car.

>>89808208
Shit deleted my own paragraph

Also remember Stan Lee created Iron Man specifically to piss off 60's counter-culture. He was a billionaire entrepreneur, a weapons dealer and he was the hero. In a post-9/11 world, do you think the audience would prefer that kind of hero, or a technical pacifist? It's a no-brainer.

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>>89808261
and this is a hoverboard

DCEU >>>>> MCU

>>89808300
you got your arrow things backwards

but you also have repeating digits so it must be true

>>89808249
It's always funny how the bulk of DCEU fags hate the MCU because the characters actually try to be heroes.

Like Superman saving people is given a montage that makes it seem moody and melancholic while in the MCU, heroes actually put themselves in harm's way, narrowly avoiding death at every turn, while the movies go on to portray it as "FUCK YEAH, GO HEROES, FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF AMERICA!"

It's like MCU revels in its status as a superhero flick while the DCEU is embarrassed to admit that it's a movie about superheroes.

>>89808261
It's a jet that gets marketed as a "Flying car".
Howard actually created a flying car technology.

>>89808320
>the sequence in Iron Man where he literally goes over to the middle east to take out some terrorists and a fucking tank
I don't know how Iron Man managed to be more patriotic than Superman

>>89808289
>Also remember Stan Lee created Iron Man specifically to piss off 60's counter-culture.

>he actually believes Stan Lee rants


Stan is full of shit and lies, he retcon his own past

>>89808320
>because the characters actually try to be heroes.
You are watering down the very notion of heroism when you say shit like this.

>>89808320
>while the DCEU is embarrassed to admit that it's a movie about superheroes.
Nah, mate. That's just Snyder. Ayer managed to make a more heroic movie and his movie had villains as the main stars.

>>89808320
I don't think the DCEU is embarassed of being a superhero movie. I think it's more that they don't understand that there's ways to humanize their characters beyond making them flawed and pitiable.

It's a hard bit of cognitive dissonance to be asked to pity your heroes, because heroes are people you're supposed to look up to. And yeah, they may have their own shit going on under the surface that they're dealing with and maybe the DCEU is exploring that, but it's like the saying goes; you don't want to see how the sausage is made.

>>89808336
And it isn't practical for mass production.

Like the jet-flying car. Simple.

>>89808336
What is the difference between a jet shaped like a car and a flying car?

>>89808409
>Fights against aliens, terrorists, HYDRA, intergalactic overloards, genocidal robots, and arms dealers.
>Saves the world on multiple occasions
>"Hurr, you're watering down heroism, Durr!"
At least pretend that you aren't trolling.

The DCEU isn't afraid to be something more, even if it doesn't bode well with the public

Marvel panders to the lowest common denominator for cheap thrills and dudes in tights doing somersaults for their villain of the month/year

>>89808320
Fuck you and the high horse you rode on. Marvel are not reveling in Superheroism but instead Banal action scenes. There is no sense of triumph of good over evil in these movies, it's jist pithy one-liners and ineffectual villains.
So take your sense of moral superiority and shove it up your ass.

>>89808320
>It's like MCU revels in its status as a superhero flick while the DCEU is embarrassed to admit that it's a movie about superheroes.

We have a very different understanding of what superheroes are. You like Civil war, Infinite crisis, and siege. You would obviously love generic formulaic crap.

The DCEU isnt embarrassed of being a superhero movie, the dirrerence is that Snyder believes that Superhero isnt a genre, and he is right, the movies are crap anyway, but the idea they are not about superheroes is retarded. Snyder plays with the same stuff that Moore, and Morrison, using them as modern mythology, he failed.

>>89808560
This

At least the DCEU tries to show off that their heroes are actually HEROES saving people and being an icon for mankind

"Heroes" in the MCU have not saved a single person that they themselves did not put in harm

>>89808560
>>89808574
>no sense of triumph of good over evil
>MCU
Pick one.

Also, isn't most of the destruction in the DCEU caused by the heroes? I mean, I don't recall Superman stopping to save any random citizens that he put in harm's way by fighting in the middle of the city.

>>89808622
>bringing that up again
oh yeah let me save a couple of guys instead of beat off the guy who will literally cause human extinction

If you bother reading comics (which I know you don't) then you would know that Superman cares about HUMANITY and not just a couple of idiots standing in crumbling buildings

>>89808567
>We have a very different understanding of what superheroes are.
Yeah, I like heroes to that save people, not cause most of the destruction around them.

I mean, truly speaks that we see The Avengers save more people throughout the battle of NY than we see Superman save throughout the entirety of the DCEU.

>>89808597
that's not... well fuck DC anyway

>>89808662
>battle
it was more like a scuffle compared to Zod

>>89808647
>oh yeah let me save a couple of guys instead of beat off the guy who will literally cause human extinction
It'd certainly help establish that Superman gives a fuck about humanity rather than having one scene where he says "buh you're not replaceable mom" and then proceeding to cause more destruction and death later on.

I mean fuck, you could've even had a scene where the military was evacuating the city and Superman saves them from a laser or something. I mean fuck, it's not rocket science here, just show that Superman is capable of fighting off threats and saving civilians, or at least lessening the destruction that's happening around him.

>>89808549
>Fights against aliens, terrorists, HYDRA, intergalactic overlord.
They might as well be fighting wet cardboard because none of these bad guys offer any real sense of conflict.
I would call them Saturday morning cartoon villains but that's an inslut towards Saturday morning cartoon villains.

>>89808674
It was an all out fucking war between an army and six individuals, yet somehow they still managed to save people even while dealing with being outmanned and outgunned.

Compared to that, the fight against Zod was a scuffle that took place in a sand castle city on the beach.

>>89808762
It was a army of mooks who went down faster than your mom. Zod on the other hand was a legit threat, a unhinged super-soldier with superpowers and a geneocide boner.

>>89808720
>They might as well be fighting wet cardboard because none of these bad guys offer any real sense of conflict.
Except for the fact that they were global threats that, if they had succeeded, meant that the earth, and likely the universe as a whole, was completely and utterly fucked.

The more I talk to you, the more it seems as though the only way you feel that you can show a villain as threatening is if they kill people onscreen in horrible ways.

>>89808552
top lel

dude, the mcu is witty. it's dcue that is straight out dumb, especially when it comes to dialogue.

>>89808844
>they were global threats
Who offered no challenge. That's not a villain, that's just someone the hero can beat up.

>>89808844
>they were global threats
you gotta show me that, Marvel doesn't do that.
>show
>not tell

>>89808829
An army of mooks, raining death and destruction from up high, being led by an Asgardian with the power to mind-control people, while also having ships the size of a skyscraper that can topple buildings just by turning. If the Avengers weren't there, NYC would've been fucked and many more people would've died as a result, either from the Chitauri or from the nuke.

Meanwhile, the fight with Zod was only really threatening because Superman was a retard and Zod was apparently such a badass that he could will himself into controlling his new superpowers in less than a day.

Pyrrhic victories are only triumphs in the loosest sense of the word.
No capeshit movie has stakes. You know the earth isn't getting destroyed, whether it's by Zor or Dormammu.

>>89808924
Do you believe that they offered no challenge because the heroes won or because you think that every hero should be ineffectual to sell the plot?
>>89808959
>you gotta show me that, Marvel doesn't do that.
Is the fact that the Chitauri had a ship the size of a whale, or the fact the leader of the dark elves or Ronin had infinity stones, or the fact that HYDRA had super technology and ways to create powered beings, among other things, not enough to show the threat that they possessed in regards to the greater part of the world or the universe?

Hell, in GotG, they even show one of the ancients using the orb to wipe out an entire planet.

>>89808371
Whether he lied or not, Iron Man fit the bill anyway.

>>89808967
>Asgardian.
Who got beat in seconds flat.
>he can mind-control people
Except for when it really counts as evident by the scene with him and Tony.

>>89808474
The shape is the difference. That's shaped like a jet, thus it's not a car.

The only thing higher than a dckek's butthurt is his delusion

>>89809257
>Who got beat in seconds flat.
He was a constant threat throughout the movie though. "beat in seconds flat" implies that he was beaten the moment the movie started.
>Except for when it really counts as evident by the scene with him and Tony.
How was he supposed to know that his heart was being protected by an arc reactor?

>>89809300
Yet for all intents and purposes, it's still considered a "flying car." The shape has nothing to do with it.

>>89809082
>Do you believe that they offered no challenge because the heroes won or because you think that every hero should be ineffectual to sell the plot?.
Because the villains don't matter. They're one dimensional bad guys who fold like a house of cards.

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>These are the reasons people voted for Trump for fucks sake.

>>89807747
>if you bribe reviewers more, your movies get higher scores
Woah.

>>89809371
>WB is too poor to bribe reviewers
Really fires the neurons

>>89809322
Form follows function.

>>89809357
>Because the villains don't matter. They're one dimensional bad guys who fold like a house of cards.
So basically, because the heroes won, gotcha.

>>89809395
And its function is to allow people to drive through the air and its form is best suited for that purpose.

Like what, did you imagine flying cars IRL to be sedans with helicopter rotors or some shit?

>>89809418
>because the heroes won.
Who gives a shit if they won when there was no real sense of danger or threat from the villain?

>>89809520
Because if they failed then lots of innocent people would've been killed and/or the universe would've been irreparably fucked by the infinity stones.

There's always a danger or threat, it's just that the heroes are capable enough to deal with it without causing an obnoxious amount of collateral damage or putting a lot of innocent people in harm's way.

>>89807478
>DCEU has a narrative that tries to do in five movies what the MCU spent six movies
Less than that, actually. Try three movies.

>>89807560
This. Although the DCEU hasn't even really had a chance to show any longlasting repercussions of anything, since they've only had three movies to show ANYTHING, a product of DC rushing their cinematic universe.

>>89807648
If that's the case, explain how you can find a clearly defined link between an MCU film, Agents of SHIELD, and one of the Netflix shows that doesn't amount to more than an Easter egg or a continuous detail such as the Battle of New York death count. I'm talking an actual character or a single event that is put on display in all three avenues.

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>>89809457
We're talking about Howard Stark's flying car.
This car, which just fucking hovers. They had a hovercar in 1940 and you're that can't be mass produced? That this car that has technology that make jet propulsion utterly obsolete has no practical use.

>>89809601
>there's always a danger or threat.
No there isn't.

>>89809713
What, do you need every movie to spell it out for you or something?

>>89809601
>Because if they failed then lots of innocent people would've been killed
Show, don't tell. The movies do no show then danger of the infinity gems, they just tell us about it.

>>89809745
They literally show one of the ancients using the orb to wipe out an entire planet anon.

>>89809738
I need the movie to show me. The threat cannot come from exposition alone.

>>89808208
Really I think its originates in nessesity for cape comics to be about heroes of our world.
If heroes would be changing society - writers would be obliged to describe consequences of that changes.
Obviously its much harder to write than endless feud of Batman and Joker

>>89809624
The netflix shows are bit difficult since they all mostly follow street level heroes but Agents of SHIELD occurs concurrently with phase two.
>Centipede is made from a varation of Extremis from IM3
>We see the team bagging and tagging debris from the battle in Dark of the Moon.
>Sif makes multiple appearances
>Coulson oversees Theta protocol
>Raina gets a vision of the destruction that Ultron brings.
>Tony's creation of Ultron is what pushes the real SHIELD to start a coup and overthrow Coulson.
>Not to mention Sakovia falling out of the sky is what ultimately leads to people fearing the Inhumans once they start to become a common occurrence in the world.
To name a few.

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>>89807291
I mean look at this shit from 'Civil War'. Contemptuuosly burning three men alive with an impossibly accurate drone strike is "fun" and "heroic" apparently.

>>89809802
see >>89809782

>>89809879
To be fair, they were terrorists from HYDRA.

>>89807291
>These are the reasons people voted for Trump for fucks sake. Becase the status quo being run by the likes of Tony Stark is intolerable.

Lol, I can't believe more people haven't zeroed in on this yet. That is some primo bait right there.

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>>89809879
And remember how SHIELD was infiltrated by double nazis and no-one noticed? They were perfectly happy using HYDRA's methods until Pierce went just a little to far for Fury to stomach. There's no fucking difference between the SHIELD, HYDRA or the Avengers. One of those organizations is just more honest about what they represent.

>>89809962
SHIELD wasn't infiltrated by HYDRA, HYDRA merely hid its ranks among SHIELD's until it was time for them to come out of hiding decades later.

This is explained in Winter Soldier mate.

>>89809913
But where's the outcry about heroes killing Propagandizing for drone warfare? Advocating for unilateral overseas intervention with no regard to sovereignty or law?

And don't give me any bullshit about 'Civil War' dealing with that because that film dropped all of that into a black hole as soon it could to focus on Tony Stark and Steve Roger's lovers tiff over Bucky.

>>89810073
>SHIELD wasn't infiltrated by HYDRA, HYDRA merely hid its ranks among SHIELD's until it was time for them to come out of hiding decades later.
This argument is nonsensical.

>>89810073
That's called infiltrating.

>>89810096
>Give me an example where the movie deals with the issue
>But don't give me an example of where the movie deals with the issue
You're not very good at this are you? Keep in mind, the Avengers basically disintegrated after Civil War happened due to half the team allying themselves with the winter soldier and the other half either defecting or getting injured.

Nobody really won here.

>>89810147
>>89810155
HYDRA didn't just throw in a handful of sleeper agents into SHIELD's ranks, they basically converted SHIELD agents to their cause or operated in satellite facilities that were functionally unrelated to SHIELD at first glance.

You make it seem as HYDRA was a disease when HYDRA was actually a tumor.

>>89809859
That still disconnects the Netflix shows. Further, you've only shown how Agents of SHIELD is affected by the films, not how the films and AOS are interconnected in both directions.

>>89811002
There's Theta protocol, which oversaw repairs to the helicarrier that was instrumental in rescuing the civilians that were trapped when Ultron raised Sakovia off the ground.

>>89811002
Just read this
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

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>>89807291
>140 posts
>only 29 posters
OP doing a whole lot of samefagging

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>>89808574
>At least the DCEU tries to show off that their heroes are actually HEROES saving people and being an icon for mankind
Blatant bait but I can never resist a chance to post this webm

>>89811575
You could have guessed this would happen the minute he started bringing politics into it.

>>89809616
but the DCEU already has
>>89807759

>>89807512
its true, kek

>>89808870
>the mcu witty
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>>89808669
kek

>>89808597
shit, you're right

>>89813084
>Now, we can see the mating call of the triggered DCuck.

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>>89809962
And then there is Joss Whedons magnum opus. An unapologetic 9/11 revenge fantasy that takes the Bush adminstrations rhetoric about "they hate us for our freedoms" and "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight over here" to it's logical extreme of using nuclear weapons against an ill defined Other that is simultaneosly a grave threat to the entire world and laughably weak as they get slaughtered wholesale in what is one of the most pathetic alien invasion put to film.

A film where Joss Whedon manages somehow to use Captain America to espouse that "might makes right" when he barks orders at policemen and when they rightly ask why they should ignore their chain of command to take orders from an asshole in a halloween costume the answer is because he's better at killing then enemy than they are.

And Whedon even goes so far as to layer messianic imagery over the personification of the military-industrial complex.

And that are just some of the horrific implications to be found in Whedons neo-con extravaganza.

>>89808597
Elaborate

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>>89813228
The Avengers is an amateurishly shot, thematically and narratively incoherent, shallow, glib, politcally and ethically revolting garbage.

>>89813228
I gotta tell ya, it's always interesting when a DCuck espouses complete nonsense while standing atop a soapbox like an intellectual "setting the record straight."

It's kinda like watching those videos where a kid talks about potatoes being the secret recipe to french fries as if it's some sort of mind-blowing revelation, it's cute as fuck because, god bless em, they don't know any better but then you realize that they're most likely grown men who should know better.

Oh well, thanks for the pasta.

>>89813237
Everyone the heroes save in the MCU are put in danger by their own actions.

>>89813409
In what way?

>>89808719
>Superman walking around earth saving humans in his freetime isnt enough to establish he cares about humanity


are you autistic?

>>89813430
>Tony fights Iron Monger, who only became a super villain because of Tony
>Hulk fights Abomination, who only became a super villain because of Hulk
>Cap fights in a war and isnt actively shown saving anyone, the civilians he saves in the beginning are only ever in danger because he was given the Super Soldier treatment
>Thor saves a town from the robot that is only there because its after him
>IM2 Hammer and Whiplash only exist as a result of Tony's Iron Man suit
>Avengers, Loki only helps Thanos because of what Thor did to him and Thanos only attacks Earth because Fury has the Tesseract
>Iron Man 3, Killian only exists and does what he does because Tony was a dick in the past
>Winter Soldier, they only tried to turn Bucky into a brainwashed super soldier because of Cap being a super soldier
>Ant-Man, Wasp only does his evil shit because of Pym and Paul Rudd breaking in to his business
>Thor 2, again the result of Loki's machinations as an act to get back at Thor
>Guardians of the Galaxy, the universe is only in danger because Quill found the orb that was otherwise forgotten to time
>Avengers 2, Tony literally creates Ultron
>Civil War, again Tony's fault because he can't understand what brainwashing is and feels guilty about all the other shit he did


Also the only time people are in danger as a result of Crossbones is a direct result of him being pursued by Scarlet Witch and Cap.
The only reason people are in danger in Doctor Strange, while not directly Strange's fault, is the the fault of the Ancient One who is meant to be a good guy and mentor. Mordo's whole creation is a result of Doctor Strange though.

>>89813228
>And then there is Joss Whedons magnum opus.
Serenity?

>>89813655
CAP saved cities from being bombarded.


And Crossbones wanted to release dangerous chemicals in a terrorist attack.

Thor saved the entire Ice Giant planet.

>>89813655
>1
Iron Monger was already doing some shady shit behind the scenes long before he put on the suit.
>2
Abomination came about because Ross decided to inject gamma radiation into a soldier, who then proceeded to get a bigger dose, which set off his radiation.
>3
The robot was only sent there because of Loki
>4
Wasp was already willing to sell the wasp suit technology to HYDRA of all fucking people long before he realized that they were attempting a heist.
>5
Ronan's forces were already set to steal the orb anyways.

Everything else more or less be accredited to HYDRA or Tony being a fuck-up, which has been established since IM2 and is partly why he has such a guilt complex throughout the MCU.

>>89813806
>CAP saved cities from being bombarded.
Where? What scene does it show that?


>And Crossbones wanted to release dangerous chemicals in a terrorist attack.
Again, Crossbones only exists at all because of Cap


>Thor saved the entire Ice Giant planet.
We are talking about human civilians here, and how exactly did he "save" them?

>>89813927
>Iron Monger was already doing some shady shit behind the scenes long before he put on the suit.
Nothing putting people in danger
>Abomination came about because Ross decided to inject gamma radiation into a soldier, who then proceeded to get a bigger dose, which set off his radiation.
Which literally only could have happened because of Hulk existing and because Banner refused to give up.
>The robot was only sent there because of Loki
It was sent there to find Thor and other people were put in danger because of Thor's presence
>Wasp was already willing to sell the wasp suit technology to HYDRA of all fucking people long before he realized that they were attempting a heist.
So? Again, he himself is not putting people in danger until Paul Rudd steps in
>Ronan's forces were already set to steal the orb anyways.
But they had no idea where the orb was until Quill found it, and no one's lives would have been in danger if Quill never found it.
>Everything else more or less be accredited to HYDRA
What a shitty excuse, go on and actually explain how the Ancient One creating her enemy is credited to Hydra?
>or Tony being a fuck-up


some fucking hero

>>89809668
If we're being fair it's established that Howard gives up on shit whenever the wind blows and the flying car didn't actually work that well. And it's also established that he's pretty much the only guy capable of making a shit ton of stuff work. So it's not difficult to make the leap that Howard simply gave up on the flying car tech and it was never developed too much further. At least not to the point where it could've been easily mass produced.

Anyway, I think the MCU and DCEU are both interesting. I feel like the DCEU has much worse execution than the MCU but also has much higher ambitions. It's a shame that such ambitions are outstripped by its talent's inability to come close to actually reaching them because otherwise they truly would be kino instead of just super fascinating messes.

The MCU is much more watchable and entertaining. But it's ultimately more disposable. But there's something to be said for being able to reliably produce movies and tv shows many find fun and highly engrossing. And that shouldn't be ignored. I wish it aspired to more. But it doesn't. And in the end it'll be gone and we'll just move on and that's fine. At least it was fun while it lasted. That's kinda all that matters. Not everything has to be built to last.

My only real beef with either of them is how they suck the oxygen out of the room when it comes to any other entertainment and that they often hobble the potential of many other movies from succeeding or even being made at all. That's not really their fault but it is a direct effect of their existence.

If had to choose between the two I'd reluctantly choose the MCU though. Despite being a DCfag and thinking that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the DCEU (It's all in the execution for me), the MCU's competence and consistent delivery on its relatively modest goals give it the the edge. And that pains me to actually say.

>>89813990
>Where? What scene does it show that?
The scene where he pilots the ship into the ocean, leading to him being frozen for the next several decades?
>Again, Crossbones only exists at all because of Cap
No, crossbones exists because of HYDRA.
>We are talking about human civilians here, and how exactly did he "save" them?
By stopping Loki from blasting their civilization into oblivion?
>>89814042
>1
He was implied to be the one who sold Stark's weaponry to the terrorists
>2
He didn't give up because he was afraid that they'd use the Hulk as a weapon.
>3
So selling a dangerous weapon to a terrorist organization isn't putting people in danger?
>4
Thanos told Ronan about the orb and tasked him to give it to him
>5
It's not an excuse, HYDRA is still very much a threat throughout the MCU, it's just that the focus on stopping HYDRA was relegated to Agents of SHIELD
>6
Nobody said that Tony was infallible mate but at least he gets called out on his bullshit and tries to learn from it.

>>89813990
>>89814042
I feel as though most of your issues come from not paying enough attention during the movies.

>>89807747
Imma call bullshit on luke cage getting the highest score in terms of the tv series, it started strong but that rushed ending was super unsatisfying.

>>89815521
Are you calling bullshit on the fact that it got the highest score or bullshit on the idea that it deserves the highest score?

>>89807291
Breddy gud breakdown, senpai. Thanks for your perspective.

>>89807291
cyn·i·cal
/ˈsinək(ə)l/
adjective
1. believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.
"her cynical attitude"
2. concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.
"a cynical manipulation of public opinion"

>disregards the universally accepted and loved characterizations in favor of edgy realism

According to the second definition, Snyder's films are the very definition of cynical pandering.

>>89815739
Just comparing it to both daredevil and Jessica jones I'd say it was the weakest of the Netflix series

>>89813655
>Avengers 2, Tony literally creates Ultron
He had a lot of help from Wanda

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>>89807291
The main problem I have with the MCU is that a lot of the objective good that the heroes accomplish (I.E. Tony Stark fighting the Ten Rings after Iron Man 1, at the behest of the US Government, Thor restabilizing the nine realms, Avengers hunting Hydra, etc) happen almost entirely offscreen or in various tie-in comics. That's my biggest issue; it always seems like the heroes are responsible for creating every problem because every problem they handle that they DON'T create is not seen by the viewer. We're merely told about all the good they do, because those problems aren't as interesting as their own baggage and fuck-ups.

>And don't get me started on how the Marvel films keep pushing the perfidious lie of the "clean war", violent conflict without collateral damage or consequence, that the Amercian government has been trying to sell everyone on for decades.

Civil War was literally the opposite of this.

>>89807291
One of the weirdest bits of The Avengers was when someone mentions that they're scanning every webcam on the planet looking for the Tesseract and no one gives a shit. When they did the same thing in The Dark Knight at least they acknowledged that it was fucked up though they did excuse it. The Avengers sees nothing wrong with it at all.

>>89816648
>concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.

>According to the second definition, Snyder's films are the very definition of cynical pandering.

That could just as easily be the definition of "Visionary"

>>89817357
>Civil War was literally the opposite of this.
So was Age of Ultron.
Hell, so was Iron Man 1.

>>89817362
When the alternative is letting a psychopath keeping his hands on one of the most dangerous objects in the galaxy, I think a little gray is allowed to be exercised here.

Seriously, it's a fucking infinity stone.

>>89817561
Given that it ends up having no effect at all on the plot of the film they could have left it out. Having that detail in the film for no reason honestly feels like a psyop to get us more accepting of limitless surveillance.

It confuses me how people still entertain the possibility that anything produced by Disney (with the possible exception of their original IPs) has a soul.

>>89817686
They do the same thing during Agents of SHIELD to catch perps or to gain information on Inhumans so it's probably just SHIELD standard procedure in hunting down high level threats.

>>89817735
>disney has no soul meme
You sound like those hipsters who stop listening to a band because they got picked up by a record label. Nobody gives a shit about "selling out," they only care when executive meddling causes the quality to take a sharp decline.

>>89817362
>One of the weirdest bits of The Avengers was when someone mentions that they're scanning every webcam on the planet looking for the Tesseract and no one gives a shit.
Well, considering after that we get the reveal that Shield is building Hydra style weapons, and a couple movies after is basically Hydra reborn, I think there was sufficient fallout from that.

>>89817735
>how can anything produced by a media conglomerate have a soul

I guess the only media conglomerate you faggots trust is AOL Time Warner

>>89814202
>He was implied to be the one who sold Stark's
So once again its Tony's fault
>He didn't give up because he was afraid that they'd use the Hulk as a weapon.
Well they ended up making their own worse hulk, and they would never have the hulk if not for his own experimenting.
>So selling a dangerous weapon to a terrorist organization isn't putting people in danger?
Make up your mind, either Tony is responsible for everything every terrorist did with his weapons along with Cross or both Tony and Cross are innocent in that regard. Regardless, Cross only had tech to sell because of Pym.
>Thanos told Ronan about the orb and tasked him to give it to him
But once again, no one knew where it was until Quill found it.
>It's not an excuse, HYDRA is still very much a threat throughout the MCU, it's just that the focus on stopping HYDRA was relegated to Agents of SHIELD
Not-canon, and again, SHOW me where Hydra is responsible for all this stuff?
>Nobody said that Tony was infallible mate but at least he gets called out on his bullshit and tries to learn from it.
How? Where? In Iron Man 3 he gets rid of all his suits and them makes a whole nother set of suits in Age of Ultron. He didnt learn his lesson. He just got progressively more crazy in Civil War and, once again, learned nothing. Cap is on the run and he is fine.

>>89814230
>I don't have an argument but stop insulting my precious MCU!!!!!

>>89817550
>>89817357
where were the consequences in any of this? Tony gets off scott free and, what, gets his feelings hurt a little?

>>89813655
Wanda did not pursue Crossbones. She provided support but stayed out of most direct combat.

>>89821511
>1
No, it was his former business partner, the worst thing Tony did was create the weapons but he stopped as soon as he realized what was up.
>2
Actually, they wouldn't have a worse Hulk if they didn't go through the trouble of replicating the formula and giving it to a dude who was unstable.
>3
The difference here is that Tony didn't know that his partner was selling his weapons to terrorists while Cross was willing to sell his weapons to HYDRA under the guise that they "changed their ways."
>4
They were being sent to the planet to collect it so they obviously knew what it was or where to find it.
>5
Actually, it is canon and if you're too thick to see how HYDRA was responsible for abusing the tesseract, turning Bucky into the Winter Soldier, hijacking the helicarriers, etc. then I don't know what to tell ya. There's being obtuse and there's being willfully ignorant.
>6
He got rid of 42 suits in favor of unmanned drones that were designed to just say "stay away"

>>89821523
The fact that you're so triggered only shows how on some level, you realize that you're full of shit.

>>89807393
>hopeful

The MCU films are "optimistic" because bad things don't happen in their world because of plot. Not because the characters overcome bad things.

>>89824187
>Not because the characters overcome bad things.
>Heroes manage to avoid global/galactic disaster by the skin of their teeth
Does a victory not count unless it's Pyrrhic or something?

>>89824297
It needs to feel like the characters are victorious for reasons outside of the author's good will.

>>89807291
>Blue and orange

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>>89824382
Alright, explain.

>>89807291
>The Avengers main goal seems to be simply maintaining the status quo against some dreaded other that threatens the stability of what the Marvel films continue to present as the best of all possible worlds.

Go away, Ultron. You're drunk.

You're not wrong, though

>>89824464
Take the Lord of the Rings for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_u9Hc0Yg1o

It doesn't necessarily result in a "Pyrrhic Victory" but, Eagles notwithstanding, you really get the sense that Frodo is made to go through hell and eventually earn his happy ending; he's the David against the terrifying odds of Sauron's Goliath. In the MCU it's the opposite. The villains are incompetent; they fall for absurd distractions and you never get the sense that they could actually win. The heroes, on the other hand, can evacuate entire cities in minutes and rely upon improbable events that produce positive results, such as the helocarriers just happening to fall into the Hudson in Winter Soldier.

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>>89824886
You're talking about two completely different genres of film though. LotR was about the journey to destroy the one ring while MCU films were meant to be dumb action movies where the good guys win and the bad guys lose. It might not necessarily be "high kino" or anything but Marvel at least knows its audience and sells them exactly what they asked for.

Also, of-fucking-course they couldn't win, because if they won, the world would've been irreparably fucked, either because Ronan used the orb to wipe out all of Xandar, HYRDRA managed to wipe out everyone who could've opposed him, the Aether was used to destroy all life in the galaxy, or Ultron causing Sakovia to fall to the earth, wiping out every living being on the planet.

I understand that you subsist off of suffering (otherwise, why would you be on 4chan) but not every movie necessarily needs to ask the hard questions that the audience never wanted answered.

When a movie goes beyond its depth, we get DCEU.

>>89825176
>LotR was about the journey to destroy the one ring while MCU films were meant to be dumb action movies where the good guys win and the bad guys lose

That's no excuse. Even dumb action movies generally make at least some attempt to present the hero as an underdog.

>because if they won
We've been over this. The villain doesn't need to win but they do actually need to make the viewer feel as if they have some chance of winning. Assuming they don't manage to kill off a hero or win a few battles they at least need to inspire a sense of desperation, at the climax of the story, and make it seem as if they can.

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>>89825399
>Even dumb action movies generally make at least some attempt to present the hero as an underdog.
And you're implying that The Avengers are always on top of things? FFS, their first outing had them going up against a fucking army, then AIM, two beings armed with infinity stones, HYDRA, and an omnicidal A.I. that could freely jump to any of its hundreds of clones, all while putting the Avengers on a time limit.
>The villain doesn't need to win but they do actually need to make the viewer feel as if they have some chance of winning.
And they do; the audience didn't necessarily know that Ronan was going to get distracted by Quill, or that Tony was going to guide a nuke into the Chitauri's warship, or that Cap was going to make it to the last helicarrier in time, to name a few.

It honestly sounds like you just don't like dumb action movies or are just bitching for the sake of being a contrarian. All in all, it's just your opinion.

>>89825730
>their first outing had them going up against a fucking army

Made up of soldiers who could be taken out by handguns and bow in arrows. In a superhero movie.

>the audience didn't necessarily know that Ronan was going to get distracted by Quill

That's because it was an asspull. This makes it worse not better.

>It honestly sounds like you just don't like dumb action movies

I like them just fine. If you want to see how to actually develop a villain look into DBZ's Frieza. This isn't about being deep.

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>>89825862
>Made up of soldiers who could be taken out by handguns and bow in arrows. In a superhero movie.
As much as I'd hate to bring DCEU into this conversation, an army being taken out by guns and bows is no less ridiculous than an army of demoic golems being taken out by a non-powered chick armed with a baseball bat. Also, Black Widow abandons the pistol towards the end in favor of flying to the top of the Stark tower and Hawkeye at least has the excuse of how his arrows have special qualities to them such as explosions and electrocution.
>That's because it was an asspull.
Not really, I mean, wouldn't you get distracted if some dude started dancing in front front of you while singing a song from the 80's? Besides, he got beaten more by Rocket's invention and the orb than the dance in and of itself.
>If you want to see how to actually develop a villain look into DBZ's Frieza.
Okay, now I just can't bother taking you 0.001% seriously. Here's a (you) for the road.

>>89807291
>The main "hero" of these movies is a billionare manchild born with a silver spoon in his mouth, a one man PMC that bragged about "privatizing world peace", the personification of the Military-Industrial complex who's first "heroic" act is to illegaly kill a bunch of low level insurgents in Afghanistan in the most blatant endorsment of the fantasy of drone warfare portrayed in a film.

Did you miss the part where he was ironically targeted and injured by his own weapons, was imprisoned along with an Arab man who he befriended and whose family he learned was killed by Stark weapons, and who upon escaping vowed to stop his company from producing weapons, causing his stock to plummet and the new boss to fight him? The first movie was blatantly anti-war.

>>89826194
>As much as I'd hate to bring DCEU into this conversation

Then don't. I haven't even seen Suicide Squad so I have no idea what you're even referencing.

>wouldn't you get distracted if some dude started dancing in front front of you while singing a song from the 80's

Not if I was anything other than a joke villain. Can you imagine Vader or Palpatine being taken out in such an idiotic manner?

>Okay, now I just can't bother taking you 0.001% seriously
Why? Even the worst DBZ villain is better than all but two of the MCU's. The MCU could learn something from battle shonen in terms of building up a credible threat.

>>89821561

I've found the idiot in the thread everybody, you can calm your tits now.

>>89813228
Josh? Is that you?

>>89815521
Luke Cage got free points since he's black.

>>89808095
It's true though. DCEU films deserve their scores but those don't.

>>89813300
>>89813228
Why do neckbeards take superhero movies this seriously.

>>89813228
The condom cowl only looks good in profile shots.

>>89816836
It was much stronger than Jessica Jones by the virtue of being just mediocre instead of irredeemable shit.

>>89807291
>These are the reasons people voted for Trump for fucks sake. Becase the status quo being run by the likes of Tony Stark is intolerable.
>people don't like a billionaire who bucks the political establishment in order to inflate his own ego so they voted for a billionaire who bucks the political establishment in order to inflate his own ego

>>89807291
>It confuses me how people continually misstake the cynical pandering of the Marvel movies as being "hopeful" and "optimistic".
Well, when the DCEU is the only other thing you have to compare them to...

>The main "hero" of these movies is a billionare manchild born with a silver spoon in his mouth, a one man PMC that bragged about "privatizing world peace"
Yeah, we know as well as they do that Tony Stark is an asshole who occasionally does good. When Tony acts like a dick, they don't pretend it's a good thing.

>the personification of the Military-Industrial complex
Whose company hasn't made weapons since the first act of Iron Man 1.

>who's first "heroic" act is to illegaly kill a bunch of low level insurgents
They were bad guys, fuck you.

>in the most blatant endorsment of the fantasy of drone warfare portrayed in a film
Tony Stark is fighting on the ground with the suit as his weapon, a drone pilots fights in the air from thousands of miles away.

>>89807291
that post is everything wrong with Millennials, they can only think in black and white

>Iron Man
>rich

>Trump
>rich

wow this is almost as good as the Trump = Hitler comparison

>>89831950
>The Avengers main goal seems to be simply maintaining the status quo
Would you rather they LET Loki/Ultron/Hydra take over the world?

>against some dreaded other that threatens the stability of what the Marvel films continue to present as the best of all possible worlds.
The Avengers fight the bad guys when the bad guys show up, you have no idea what you want.

>And don't get me started on how the Marvel fims keep pushing the perfidious lie of the "clean war", violent conflict without collateral damage or consequence
Nigga these are just comic book movies. They just wanna be about superhero battles. You're reading into it too much and seeing things that aren't there.

>>89831954
Did you remember to take your supplements today, Grandpa?

Question... Have we ever seen "casual hero things" from main MCU movie heroes? Not talking about when something threatens them (like Ultron) or something similar. But from natural things or casual robberies etc etc

The only instances from Marvel movies that I remember for that is from Spiderman movies, including the homecoming one. But till now are there other moments like that?

>>89832239
I think that's what the Netflix shows are for.
Part of the point of the Avengers and stuff is they are superstars inside the universe as well, if they were to show up at a robbery the robbers would shit their pants in horror and excitement. And there's Shield that does some police-type work, ie A funny thing happened on the way to Thor's hammer.

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'Captain America: The First Avenger' is one of the two actually emotionally genuine movies Marvel has managed to produce and sadly it's the only film in which Chris Evans was allowed to actually play Captain America.

When Joss Whedon got his hands on the character he turned Steve Rogers into a sarcastic asshole in a halloween costume and the Russo brothers made him into a Libertarian asshole in a halloween costume.

The other truly genuine Marvel film is of course 'Iron Man 3'. Not only the best Iron Man film but also tied with 'Captain America' for the best films to come out of Marvel Studios.

>>89832401
>libertarian asshole
Yeah, I mean, why would Captain America fight Hydra?

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What's truly depressing about reading this thread is how many people seem utterly unable or unwilling to think critically about the media they consume and just swallow this banal neoliberal propaganda with nary a thought.

>>89832532
That's because I'm not stupid and mentally weak enough to let movies or games change my opinion on politics.

>>89811002

Agents of SHIELD has referenced Daredevil (a news report on Punisher's rampage) and Luke Cage (the Judas Bullet).

>>89829242
Normalfags don't take superheroes seriously for a set of arbitrary reasons, mostly coming down to funny clothes, which is standard in anything that doesn't take place in the modern real world, or because powers are "unrealistic." They don't realize that all action movies are unrealistic.