Justice League: Damage Control

Cyborg just looks laughably terrible.
And I feel like it's a bad actor choice, just seems out of place among the roster.

F U N
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>>89798513
Fun is shit, I want none of it in my superhero movies. Not even joking.

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>>89797543
I don't think it's primarily an actor problem, though, the entire body looks stupid.

>it's a DC learned nothing from Green Lantern episode

>>89798633
I'm serious, fun is just hack bullshit at this point. Marvel has figured out that all you need to do is have the characters act all pally and crack shitty jokes and people will praise it for being fun. Even Film Crit Hulk who is a huge dick rider for the MCU had to admit that Civil War threw out any real chance at drama for the sake of giving the audience a comfortingly fun experience.

>>89797467
I am so tired of Cyborg, how long is he gonna be THE diversity choice for DC?

>>89797467
But...I don't want more marvel movies...

>>89799506
Too bad, you're getting it.

>>89797467
Thats the most nothing description of the Justice League Ive ever read
>"They're interesting because they're all so different from one another and they're a team"
Also fuck you WB for turning the first Justice League movie into a needless mcguffin hunt featuring a villain no one gives a fuck about. I hope people get fired over this, and I hope someone knocks sense into your collective empty heads to start over from scratch.

>>89797543
It's not the actor, it's just instead of it looking like his body is ''integrated'' with robot parts, it looks like they are glued on top of his skin, and bad CGI, which is something that all superhero movies suffer from for some reason.

Will be good

Zack is God

>>89797467
There is so much goddamn wrong with Cyborg's design here
>Skinny as fuck, especially in the limbs to the point where it looks like he'll collapse
>Overdesigned Transformer tier trash. Looks like aluminum foil
>Clashing of blue/red lights. Just fucking pick one
>Too much robot, not enough human cyborg
>That shitty laser gun arm
>90% CGI, distracting floating face

>>89799821
Basically this. Honestly who looked at this and thought it was the go to design? he looks weak and brittle as fuck

>I actually liked BvS
>now it's all going to be MCU-tier reddit quips and """fun"""

Welp

Hope you funfags are happy

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>>89800008
Whats baffling is that Cyborg's costume is completely doable with practical effects. Naturally you can add cgi layers over it later in post, but whats the fucking point here? Its some weird cgi skeleton, and if he punches someone it doesnt look like any weight is behind it. What happened to pic related? Given a few tweaks it could work

>>89800069
They ruined it. No more sturm und drang Snyder style operatics, the future is a lame punchline stamping on a human face forever.

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>>89797467
>They actually mention the MCU
>And compare themselves to it
>To show how similar they are
>They actually did that
>In the article
The DCEU has no shame at all.

>>89799821
It's like they didn't learn anything from Green Lantern.

>>89799821
Cyborg really does look like complete shit.

>>89800147
I actually reallly like that helmet. I like idea of the 'battle mode' faceplate that covers Cyborg's face when shit goes down. I've always loved that sort of shit.

Except for the mid section there, this does look a hell of a lot better. Whatever happened to hard plating in movie robotic/cyborg characters?

>>89797543
For personally, is that I grew up with Cyborg as part of the Titans

In the “New 52” retconning of the DC Universe, Cyborg is a founding member of the Justice League, the token minority replacing the former (imaginary) token minority, J’Onn J’Onzz, the Martian Manhunter, and sitting right alongside the token woman, Wonder Woman. This is no accident. For many white people, diversity and tokenism mean precisely the same thing, but beyond that, they are also looking for a particular brand of marginalized person to include; someone who will not disturb the existing state of affairs, who will operate, essentially, as a white, heterosexual, gender-conforming, middle-class man, but in slightly different drag. In his previous incarnation, it was unclear whether Cyborg was a fully functional, sexual being. In the New 52, it’s clear that Cyborg has no genitals. The accident that turned him into a cyborg has taken every bit of his flesh other than his torso, arms, neck, and head. Thus, it’s safe for him to be around Wonder Woman as he serves no sexual threat and no competition for Superman. (I should note that, at the same time, Wonder Woman loses her personhood to become the prize. Please watch the animated film Justice League: War if you don’t believe me. You’ll see the male members of the team, except Cyborg of course, each attempt to call “dibs” on her—including the pubescent Billy Batson/Shazam.) This, to me, is the comic book version of the historical castrations that white supremacists often enacted against black men, of whose sexuality (which they exaggerated and demonized) they were enormously envious and frightened of. Cities in this country were bombed to oblivion on the word of lying white women falsely accusing black men of rape.

>>89800249
Cyborg only really works as a side character

>>89800249
Literally everyone did.

No one's first thought of Cyborg is the one season he was on Superfriends.

>>89797467
>>It's just like Marvel you guys! Please go see it!
I don't get this.
>It too dark rather see marvel.
>It too light too marvel

>>89798729
>>it's a DC learned nothing from Green Lantern episode
That was light, but it failed.

Nobody knows what they want in these movies>>89799821
>>Clashing of blue/red lights. Just fucking pick one
>>Too much robot, not enough human cyborg
Cartoon cyborg

>>89800849
TT's Cyborg honestly had one of the strongest designs for the character. The blue circuit boards just look more appealing than the usual silver plates with red lighting. Whats funny is that DCEU Cyborg is a perfect representation of whats wrong with this movie universe: so many ideas that dont work, so busy, resulting in a ugly final product

>>89800922
>TT's Cyborg honestly had one of the strongest designs for the character.

Not hard when just about every design he's ever had in the comics has been garbage.

>>89797467
Why is his forearm a sex toy?

>>89797467
WB:
>IT'S FUN U GUISE!
>LOOK AT ALL THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUN, WHEEEEEEE!

jesus fucking christ, it always sounds so goddamned forced.

and they're using it so much it's a goddamned buzzword for WB damage control.

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>>89797467
>game changing injection of humor
Oh on, not like this.
>not unlike the MCU's infinity stones
One spent years of build up, the other is giving them a macguffin with one movie's worth of foreshadowing.
>it's seen imbuing victor stone
Oh god, it's Justice League War but live action.


Even as a Marvel fag (who still thinks Superman is the best hero of all time) this hurts to read.

Pic related for current feels.

>>89800958
When your junk has been blown away, what else have you got to use? At least this way he can still eat pussy.

>>89799482

Until this movie bombs

>>89800069
It won't be fun at all though.

>>89800175
>The DCEU has no shame at all.
Actually the person writing is not likely to be from DCEU, but just works for the magazine. I think other than direct quotes from Snyder, most of the comments are from the author of the article. And I think the writer has trouble being excited about Justice League.

>>89800175

This isn't written by DC you idiot

>>89797467
I'll wait for the extended cut Blu-Ray next year to see if it's worth it

I dont understand why the DCEU couldn't be something totally different from Marvel

I LIKE the sombre serious tone, and the heightened drama, and attempts to create something deeper.

I'm fucking tired of the generic marvel shit and its imitations
FUCK WB

whats worse, the keep feeding us this "oh, well out movies are director driven!!!" but then keep running off directors with a unique vision (like that black guy Rick whatever)

>>89799821
I agree. Too skinny and it's over designed, just go solid chunks of meta for limbs, it would look better than this poo

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Why wasn't he in the Suicide Squad?

>>89801435
Smart move

>>89801481
I like the idea of it but the execution so far has been atrocious.

>>89801481
>I dont understand why the DCEU couldn't be something totally different from Marvel

Because Superhero films all have to be "fun" . Nolan bats are the only films to pull off a different tone without complaints

I can't wait to see how they inject humor into Black Panther since everyone in Wakanda is a joyless fuck

>>89797543
out of all the possibilitties for the look the choise making him a clustherfuck transformer loking mess

>>89801693
I'm sure Martin Freeman can carry the movie's comedy on his shoulders.

>>89799506
>>89799556
kek nobody is forcing you to watch them

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>>89801693
The DCEU should have just gone full Brave and The Bold.

>>89801481
>I dont understand why the DCEU couldn't be something totally different from Marvel
It could. It just had to be handled by better people and not rushed to shit.
There's nothing wrong with a serious somber tone with heightened drama but why the fuck would you get the writer of Blade Trinity for that?

>>89797543
All I have to say is he'd be really cool as a bad guy

>>89801734
Dass rayciss!

>>89801655
Because they didnt want to make Deadshot look like a pussy. Also "muh world ending threat"

>>89800330
Interesting pasta you've got there.

>>89801693
>Nolan bats are the only films to pull off a different tone without complaints
Because it's Batman
That tone works for Batman.
When you try to put that tone one Superman you end up like those guys that "fix" properties like Mario by making him talk about dicks and braining koopas with a wrench.

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>>89801734
I actually like Grid better than Vic anyway

>>89801772
>Also "muh world ending threat"
What did he mean by this?

DC movies are NOT DC

We are NOT losing to Marvel

>>89801809
Yes, good, good. Distance yourself from WB and embrace Rebirth.

>>89799482

t.idiot who doesn't read comics

>>89801800
Meaning SS should not have been about a magic witch wanting to destroy the world with her magic sky laser.

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>>89797467
It seriously looks like you could kick Cyborg in the knee or ankle and cripple him.

>>89801839
Cyborg is like the second worst selling Rebirth title atm, first being Blue Beetle.

Nobody likes Vic.

>>89801853
But that's what people see these movies for, right?

>>89801893
>Blue Beetle is selling worse than Cyborg
HOW?

>>89801780
Yeah because there's only ever one tone used in all Superman stories. Fuck off.

>>89801916
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-11.html
>Cyborg #4 - 104
>Cyborg #5 - 108
>Blue Beetle #3 - 110

No clue. Lack of interest? Vic's been around in the public a bit more via TT than Jaime.

>>89801893
>first being Blue Beetle.

Poor Giffen. At least we will get some classic sour grapes hilarity from the last few issues.

Damn, so I guess the new JL image is just the one that got leaked already. When's the trailer already?

>>89801655

Deathstroke doesn't work well in the squad. He would find a way to disarm the bomb in his head and kill everybody.

You know that actually could have been a good plot for the film instead of yet another world destroying threat

>>89802190
>Deathstroke was taken in
>he escapes
>the useless asswipes they still have left have to go take him in so Waller doesn't lose credibility
Yes, yes good.

>>89797467
his legs look fucked!

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>>89797467
>That "gun" arm
Jesus fucking christ, that can't be the final product. No fucking chance.

>>89801916

Turns out people just liked one limited run for whatever reason and then stopped giving a shit about the character.

It's kinda weird how Cyborg is a eunuch, is that canon in the comics? I saw a panel once where he was just a head plugged into a computer.

>>89802355
Yeah, he had to be castrated because negro male sexuality is threatening to the crusty white men who write these things.

>>89802355

He can currently change his body into human form. So it gives him a cock

>>89802377
That seems like a cop out.
>>89802375
How do you explain Jason Momoa as Aquaman then?

>>89802417
This Aquaman is an alcoholic and suffers from impotence issues as a result.

>>89802161
I loved Giffen's earlier work like with the Justice League titles.

I wonder how the current Blue Beetle run is.

>>89802431
Batman is the only member of the League with a functioning dick, Flash ejaculates too fast to be able to fuck, and Superman has a cloaca like all Kryptonians.

>>89800330
This had better just be shitty bait pasta.

>>89802431
>This Aquaman is an alcoholic

Would you say he drinks like a fish?

>>89802456
>implying flash doesn't have a flashy refractory period

he can blow a load get soft get hard again and blow another load before superman can get his dick out

>>89802456
Batman is based on DKR Batman, he hasn't had a boner since he was thirty.

I'm glad Jack Kirby isn't alive to see this.

>>89802918
Did Kirby even want the Fourth World to be a part of the wider DC universe?

>>89802918
The amount of laser-guided-kvetching that Kirby would be able to do to current DC would put /co itself to shame.
He could put out comic book version of a roast about their mistakes, and we wouldn't stop fangasming over it for a year.
The quotes would block out Star Wars.

>>89802955
It was originally going to be part of Thor (death of the old gods, coming of the New Gods) but when he left Marvel, he took the idea to DC instead.

I don't think it there was any ever doubt about if it would be part of the universe, especially since he took over Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen and that's where Darkseid débuted.

Besides, where in the 70s could he have got as much exposure and money other than at Marvel or DC? They'd be calling the shots regardless of what he wanted to do and that's exactly what they did.

Somebody go back in time and prevent Zack Snyder from being born

>>89803456
Zack Snyder was no mere accident of birth, his coming has been foretold.

The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Comic-Con to be born?

>>89797467
>>It's just like Marvel you guys! Please go see it!
The writer of that article understands the complex omniversal dynamics of This Justice Leauge.

>Zack Snyder in charge of the Flash/Cyborg movie
Its like DC is begging FlashBorg to come to realite and superboyprime their headquarters.
Where is based Rick Famuyiwa?

>>89803621
>Zack Snyder in charge of the Flash/Cyborg movie

Where'd it say that?

>>89800958
I was thinking the same thing.

>>89803456
judging by my time travel medias, that would just cause someone even worse to direct the DCEU movies.

Do you really want to take the risk?

>>89800069
Nobody is happy. This is punishment for your shit taste.

>>89797467
This is what happens when you want to build a superhero universe with no goal beyond not being Marvel.

>>89801481
>I dont understand why the DCEU couldn't be something totally different from Marvel
They tried to make it different, they really did, but nobody had any idea how to make it different in any meaningful way. Nobody bothered to answer the question, "Different how?"

They should have just made it Marvel but BETTER.

>>89804695
man of steel was completely different from anything marvel's done, as was BvS

There are shortcomings, but the biggest problem seems to be lack of a unified direction, rushing, and no real forethought.

meh

>>89801916

Wells been poisoned by N52. Most new readers dont even know about his original run and giffen aint making the latest run as accessible as it could be

>>89801916
I know I didn't like how blue beetles armor is magic now.

>>89801655
Probably dicking around with Ra's Al Ghul on the other side of the planet, waiting to go to Gotham and test Ben Affleck's Batman.

>Director - Zack Snyder.
>Cinematographer - Larry Fong.
>Music - JunkieXL / Hans Zimmer.
>Script - Bruce Timm & Paul Dini.

If WB would have done this, and had highly prolific writers, writers know for certain characters, advise on the solo movie projects, like Johns on Flash or Green Lantern, the DCEU would have blown everything out of the water.

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>>89801693
>Nolan bats are the only films to pull off a different tone without complaints
You know, except for the Burton Bat films. And that's because Batman is broad enough to lend itself to a wide variety of interpretations. Few other superheroes can make that claim.

Most superheroes are by design at least a little bit ridiculous, so you're going to need some levity to balance that out. Even the Nolan and Burton films aren't entirely joyless.

And /co/ isn't giving the MCU nearly enough credit. You let its failures (AoU, Thor: The Dark World) speak louder than its bonefide successes (Iron Man, GoTG, the Captain America trilogy, Doctor Strange).

>>89804695
>They should have just made it Marvel but BETTER.

The Marvel movies suck shit though. Have you heard how they make them?

>http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/24/civil-war-spider-man-2-and-the-dangers-of-assumed-empathy

>Marvel has figured this weird way of making serviceable movies by taking the lessons of that last act and working backward to emulate it at all times, but not doing the real work that gets you there. Meaning it has become the studio's weird quest to remove the 'bad scenes" aka the scenes audiences don't "Like" and as such it has indoctrinated one of the weirdest working modus operandis hulk can think of. This is the genuine process btw: they put together inoffensive character-centric scripts where no one sees the huge story problems on the page (people are bad at reading scripts across the board). They hire great actors. They put action scenes into second unit hands. They shoot the sucker then get into the edit. And because people are better with seeing movies then they are at reading scripts, they then realize the story doesn't work. So they re-shoot half the movie (this is all planned beforehand) and include a lot of the stuff they thought they needed in the first place to make it work. They then tailor the final product to be as round and safe as possible. The movie is then greeted with either with a shrug or a hearty laugh and a slow slide into forgetting.

>>89804771
>The Marvel movies suck shit though
Well, they are literally the only thing anyone can compare the DCEU to because they are they same basic concept.

Also, that is an opinion, and a really dumb one at that.

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>>89797467
>tfw you live in the DCEU is shit timeline, as a DCfag
please just let me out already, i'm not having any fun

>>89804787
>Also, that is an opinion, and a really dumb one at that.

What's dumb about it? They're all boring samey nonsense that coasts on cast chemistry without any decent drama or spectacle.

>>89797467
I can't watch this shit on cinema, I'm gonna pirate it
Hack Snyder won't get my money anymore, I fell for it twice

>>89804798
>coasts on cast chemistry
At least their casts have chemistry, and it's damn good chemistry.

>without any decent drama or spectacle
Drama can be an issue sometimes, that I will give you, but spectacle? Almost every Marvel movie has damn fine spectacle, at least the good ones. The acid trip interdimensional shit in Doctor Strange, the airport battle in Civil War, the battle of Sokovia in AoU, the battle on Nova Prime in GoTG, the helicarrier battle in Winter Soldier, the Battle of New York of the first Avengers movie and just about every waking minute of Captain America was fucking gorgeous.

>>89797467
This interview basically admits that they are already considering WW a wash, they aren't even attempting or hoping WW will be good.

Also I am still saddened by Cyborg's look in the movie, he is just a metallic blurr on the screen like if they took a transformer and crushed it down to Ultron's size and then spray painted the entire thing the same textured silver...

>>89804848
>At least their casts have chemistry, and it's damn good chemistry.
It was, maybe 5 movies ago, but now it's just curdled into smarm.

>The acid trip interdimensional shit in Doctor Strange, the airport battle in Civil War, the battle of Sokovia in AoU, the battle on Nova Prime in GoTG, the helicarrier battle in Winter Soldier, the Battle of New York of the first Avengers movie and just about every waking minute of Captain America was fucking gorgeous.
The trippy part of Doctor Strange was 2 minutes long, the rest was just glowing circles and folding buildings. Could they not have done anything else with magic? The airport battle in civil was was shit, they're all pulling their punches and just having little slapfights two or three at a time. Sokovia I don't even remember, except for a bunch of helicarriers showing up to rescue literally everyone, because critics were asspained about people dying in Man of Steel. What even happened on Nova Prime? A ship flew into a big net and then they won by holding onto a rock for a bit. Winter Soldier was just shakycam bullshit, which was even worse in Civil War btw. The Avengers battle of NY is pitifully setbound, all of the non flying around stuff is just them standing in the middle of the same street.

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>>89801481
>I LIKE the sombre serious tone, and the heightened drama, and attempts to create something deeper.


I know right? I like the tone and execution of the DCEU, makes me remember classics from DC like Identity Crisis and Act of God.

>>89804934
People act like the DCEU is way darker than it is. Nothing really horrible has happened in it.

>>89804906
>but now it's just curdled into smarm
What is that supposed to mean?

>The trippy part of Doctor Strange was 2 minutes long, the rest was just glowing circles and folding buildings
And still more unique than anything Zack Snyder has ever touched.

>The airport battle in civil was was shit, they're all pulling their punches and just having little slapfights two or three at a time
No they aren't.

>except for a bunch of helicarriers showing up to rescue literally everyone
They didn't save LITERALLY EVERYONE, they saved as many as they could. Of course people died, fucking Quicksilver died even.

>because critics were asspained about people dying in Man of Steel
I dunno, it was kinda neat for superheroes to save lives for a change.

>What even happened on Nova Prime? A ship flew into a big net and then they won by holding onto a rock for a bit
Well yeah, if you wanna put it that way because you have an axe to grind.

I don't have space to address your other dumb points.

>>89804949
>Nothing really horrible has happened in it.
BvS and MoS both happened and they were both horrible.

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>>89797467
>when you've been waiting 2 decades for a live action justice league movie and this is what you get

I can't wait for the butthurt and damage control when the justice league trailer releases and everyone shits on it and then WB goes full retard and makes many changes to the movie by doing reboots which fuck up the movie and then when the movie releases it will be biggest flop the world has ever known.

I can't wait.

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>>89804771
Keep telling yourself that kiddo.

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>>89805006
It sucks because the Justice League has had a way better history with way better comics than the Avengers and yet WB is run so horribly that it produces this bullshit.

>>89804906
I can see how much of a faggot you are by whinning about the airport fights, that are probably some of the most memorable and liked parts of the entire franchise.

It's just look like a single autistic anon screaming in the back of the class.

>>89804974
>What is that supposed to mean?
The jokes aren't funny, but they still expect you to laugh.
>And still more unique than anything Zack Snyder has ever touched.
Seriously? I won't try to convince you it was good but Sucker Punch had more imagination in its opening sequence than Doctor Strange had in its whole runtime.
>No they aren't.
Yeah they were, the only time someone gets hurt is by accident, and he's basically fine by the end of the film because there's NO STAKES.
>They didn't save LITERALLY EVERYONE, they saved as many as they could. Of course people died, fucking Quicksilver died even.
They never suggested anyone died in the actual movie they just said they did in Civil War for plot reasons, and no one cares about Quickslav. Also the deathcounts in Civil War are such bullshit. Less than 200 people died in the battle of NY? Fuck off.
>I dunno, it was kinda neat for superheroes to save lives for a change.
It's just pandering, Superman saved the whole world but the film was honest about the human cost to superhuman battles, which marvel will never be. LESS THAN 200 DEAD, fuck off.
>Well yeah, if you wanna put it that way because you have an axe to grind.
I put it that was because it is that way, the big final stand off is just them standing in a line with purple cgi flies around.
>I don't have space to address your other dumb points.
Ok dude.

>>89805058
>I can see how much of a faggot you are by whinning about the airport fights, that are probably some of the most memorable and liked parts of the entire franchise.
Nothing happens in it, it has literally no effect on the rest of the movie. There's no stakes, they don't even want to hurt each other. Also at the airport in broad daylight is the most boring looking place to have the fight. It was all shot on greenscreen in Atlanta anyway so why not pick an actually cool backdrop?

>>89805064
>Sucker Punch had more imagination in its opening sequence than Doctor Strange had in its whole runtime
Every single visual in Sucker Punch was ripped directly from something else, that was the whole point even.

>Yeah they were, the only time someone gets hurt is by accident
This is a superhero movie, these guys take punches like your mother takes dick, it's called a convention of the genre.

>and he's basically fine by the end of the film because there's NO STAKES
Yes there are, but it's not a story about Rhodey's legs.

>They never suggested anyone died in the actual movie
Yeah, because people can figure that part out, you fucking moron.

>and no one cares about Quickslav
No, YOU didn't care about him.

>Less than 200 people died in the battle of NY? Fuck off.
Are you suggesting the movie lied about the exact number? Why? It'd be entirely inconsequential if it was 200 or 500 or 1000, the point remains the same in the context of the narrative.

>>89801916
We literally want the original Jaime series back. New 52 didn't deliver and neither does this one.

We get discount Traci 13 as new love interest and have the scarab be fucking magic.

They whole appeal of blue beetle was the legacy as well and that is non existent with Ted having never been Blue Beetle.


Idk why the writer didn't fight hard for having Traci come back to Blue Beetle. As much as I like my lesbians I fucking hate that she is with Natasha Irons over in the shitty superwoman book.

>>89805163
>Every single visual in Sucker Punch was ripped directly from something else, that was the whole point even.
Ripped directly from what? What's the classic steampunk WWI movie it was ripping off? It mixed and matched genres, that's not the same as stealing.
>This is a superhero movie, these guys take punches like your mother takes dick, it's called a convention of the genre.
That's bullshit, superheroes can get hurt, and often do, but this movie is too scared to risk alienating anyone so there's no real animosity or violence behind the battle.
>Yes there are, but it's not a story about Rhodey's legs.
No, it's a story about the friendship between Tony and Steve which is broken, Except Steve write him a soppy love letter to say "I'll be there for you Tony" because the writers are to lame to let any kind of negative feeling linger.
>Yeah, because people can figure that part out, you fucking moron.
Oh yeah they specifically say they're gonna save everyone then at the end they're all happy so it should be clear they actually failed.
>No, YOU didn't care about him.
He sucked.
>Are you suggesting the movie lied about the exact number? Why? It'd be entirely inconsequential if it was 200 or 500 or 1000, the point remains the same in the context of the narrative.
It does matter, they put the number as low as possible while still trying to be plausible because they have no guts.

>>89805249
Why the fuck do you care so much, it's just a movie you autist

>>89805299
Of course it's just a movie, could have been a good movie but you can't have everything.

>>89799482
Geoff Johns is a retard and his shilling of cyborg ended up killing not only the cyborg movie and affecting negatively the jl movie but also ultimately killed the flash movie as collateral damage. . All that to shield Hal Jordan, and the funny part is that after all that we still don't have a gl movie

>>89805305
Marvel makes great movies. DC makes shit movies

Accept it.

>>89799821
Every character in civil war was cgi besides bucky, Hawkeye, black widow and cap

>>89805324
>Marvel makes great movies. DC makes shit movies
Honestly Man of Steel and Batman v Superman were better than almost every MCU movie. Iron Man 3 was good though, because it was the only one that actually was funny. I have high hopes for Thor: Ragnarok as well.

>>89801655
He is a batman villian according to the consultant, cco, the writer of the movie, etc. They just happen to be the same guy, a guy that comic fans agree don't really like batman

>>89801780
Mos was great, only faggots that need to see superman rescuing cats all the time complain about that. Superman has the right to suffer and to struggle emotionally, not just lift giant kryptonite mountains

>>89804764
Johns had no interest in the flash movie, the batman and wonder woman Scrip paid more, so he took those jobs for himself. Even though he never touched a wondy comic before 2014. No joke

>>89798729
Green Lantern had the opposite problem. It refused to be sincere and joked about it's own concept all the way.

The characters and story structure were also a mess, but that's another issue.

>>89805494

Don't forget 6 writers, one of them was Johns the consultant that never really gave a fuck about the movie, he just wanted Parallax in and to set the seeds form the sinestro corps for the sequel.

GL was literally "too many cooks fucks the meal".

That being said i don't want happy meal MCU crap. it's a shame Snyder doesnt get to do his trilogy as he wanted, at least it could had been interesting crap, now it will be just generic crap

>>89797467
>If Zack Snyder can pull this film off
But he obviously can't. Why is DC still taking chances with this guy?

>>89805581
They're the ones who keep fucking him up, all the bad shit in BvS was studio shit. The lame JL tease, people pointing out the area was uninhabited 3 times. It would be a perfect movie without those 2 things.

>>89801839
Cyborg is a terrible character with mediocre at best book.

>>89805356
You have shit taste, and likely knows anything about good writing.

BvS had too many plot holes and characters acting randomly stupid for the sake of the plot.

>>89805639
Nah, for what I have read pretty sure everyone of Zack's ideas damaged the movie.

It's basically "Hey Affleck and Goyer I want to do this shit!" And they say "No it is a bad idea" them Snyder decides to keep repeating "pleeease!" Until he gets a "Ah ok, do the shit".

>>89806167
>BvS had too many plot holes and characters acting randomly stupid for the sake of the plot.

This has always struck me a dumb criticism of movies, it's not math. Anyway in this case I don't think it even applies, BvS makes perfect sense.

>>89806285
Nice bait.

>>89806294
you just didn't get it, retard

>>89806294
Maybe they've only seen the theatrical cut, because the Ultimate Cut is easy to follow and makes sense.

>>89806167
>>89806285
>>89806294
The theatrical cut was a shitshow with plot holes everywhere.
The Ultimate cut might as well be a completely different movie.

>>89806345
Does it explain why Lex decided to ignore the fight that he set up for 2 years and make Abomination troll out of nowhere.

>>89806468
Yeah that was the backup in case Batman failed. He could have aborted Doomsday if he had to. There was countdown "10 seconds to animation...9 seconds to animation..."

>>89806509
>Yeah that was the backup in case Batman failed.

Where he said that?

>He could have aborted Doomsday if he had to. There was countdown "10 seconds to animation...9 seconds to animation..."

When was show that you could stop the process? Also how he pretended to control it in the first place? Even more because he seems to know what doing that creates?

>>89806509
This is the seventh time that I see a snyderfag give a "completely obvious explanation" to that scene, and they are all different.

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>>89806585
>Where he said that?
>I cannot let you win. I gave the Bat a fighting chance to do it, but he's not strong enough. So, if man won't kill God ... the Devil will do it!

There.

>When was show that you could stop the process? Also how he pretended to control it in the first place? Even more because he seems to know what doing that creates?
The ship told him, he explicitly says to the ship "Teach me"

>>89806602
So if you remember seven people answering this question and you know each answer was different then you must know what they all were. Please list them assuming you didn't just make that up.

>>89800237
Its possible that the one in the OP image is a battle damaged Cyborg, that has lost the armour plating fighting against Parademons.

>>89806657
>The ship told him, he explicitly says to the ship "Teach me"

If he knew what would happen because of the knowledge that he got, why he just stood there in front of a mindless monster,whose first act was trying to kill him? Shouldn't he be aware of the process and what it does? What was his plan? It sounds even dumber because he was never monitoring BvS fight.

I don't care what you faggots think, I'm still real excited for this.

>>89806756
>What was his plan?
Doomsday destroys everything, Lex doesn't care about the Earth as long as he kills Superman in the process.

>>89806657
>Please list them

>Lex was just insane
>Lex wanted to defeat it, along with the other meta humans and become the leader of his own justice league
>It was just a reference to Frankstein and represented Lex wanting to become like a God
>He thought that putting his blood would somehow make him control the creature. ...even if nothing suggests that...and thus, would be able to use it to destroy any opposition
>He expected Batman to die, to ruin Superman's image, while he would use Abomitroll to kill Superman and get a good image
>he was induced by New Gods
And now:
>it was a back up plan to kill Superman if Batman failed, but Lex never monitored the fight and had no way to defend himself against the monster that he created in front of him just as a plan B

>>89806864
>>89806807
Eighth.

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>>89804949
Oh yeah, let's go and kill what would be one of Supes's best friends ever.
How about making Lex Luthor a... what the fuck even was Eisenberg trying to do, and add that Jar of Piss joke!
Then, for added drama, let's literally make Supes act even more retarded for his mom's kidnapping than what he did in order to save Louis.
And then let's kill Superman, too!

Alright, maybe "darker" isn't the right word, but you can't deny that the script of that movie was a complete shitshow.

>>89806983
You forgot Batman exploding a guy with a flamethrower, and he breaking necks in a post Apocalipse desert, right before Superman kill him by penetrating Batman's body with his hand.

>>89801481
Superheroes and maturity don't mix.

>>89807113
The Fox movies handle it way better than the DCEU anyway.

>>89806983
>>89807089
Also don't forget the HAS I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE SCREAM OF DYEING HORSES CLARK!?

>>89805064
Sucker Punch is the only movie I wanted my money back from, seriously fucking kill yourself if you think it anything other than vile garbage.

It will be the Rebirth™ of Hope® & Optimism© & FUN℠

>>89806864
Wow anon, you sure seem obsessed with a movie you hate, to the extent that you'll follow many threads and participate in many arguments in those threads. Then you get so involved in these threads you remember every reply to every post you've made (even if you saved those posts somewhere or look up the archive, it's still obsessive .)

We all like to trash DC but you take it too far.

Take break for your own sanity.

>>89806983
>Oh yeah, let's go and kill what would be one of Supes's best friends ever.
They were friend in the movie?
>>89806983

>>89807269
They weren't, but does that make it alright to fucking kill Jimmy?
Also, from the two times he saves Lois, it's pretty much apparent that he knows what's happening to her wherever she's on the planet. And yet he fucking lets Jimmy die just so he could show up at the last possible moment to save Lois.
DCEU Supes is just a shittily written character that's not the least bit heroic.

Lets be serious

Is there a higher up in Warner Bros. thats trying to bankrupt the company like in Sony?

>>89807269
The guy the terrorists killed was Jimmy Olsen, or an alt-version of him, the Extended Cut confirmed that.

As much as I like to defend DC movies, that's not only stupid, but also, it doesn't make sense in both a directional move, and neither in that supposed "we care for the DC fans, promise!!" take WB did.

>>89807266
To be honest mocking the DCEU is the only fun that I have out of the DCEU.

>>89801729
Man, I would have loved that.

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>>89804949
The other anon already mentioned it, but BVS LITERALLY STARTS WITH JIMMY OLSEN GETTING SHOT IN THE FUCKING FACE

I can't stress enough how much that whole situation perfectly encapsulates the DCEU, as Snyder himself proudly explained he wanted to make fans understand they were watching something "serious" as opposed to their usual funny pictures

>>89804791
IKTF, breh

>>89799821
everything from him thigh down really bothers me

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>>89797467
I want to die.

My life as a DC fan, always disliking Marvel movies and originally enjoying the dark tone before Hot Topic Squad, I think I'm just done for. I can't take this anymore.

>>89807376
I do the same but it takes a toll on you. I get legitimately angry at threads where people post dumb things about the DCEU like how great DoJ was and I always get involved in arguments with people, even if it's bait.

Don't turn out like me anon

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>>89807387
>DCEU Clark never had and doesn't have any normal human friends
>they kill one of his best friends from the comics as a joke, not using him to show off Clark Kent's side and humanity.
>he doesn't have anybody to interact with, banter or show characterization
>because of that, most of the movie is he standing up, while Lois, his mother, his schizophrenic dream dead dad, Lex or Bruce make a monologue in front of him, while he makes a butthurt face
>he had less lines on the entire movie (42) than Peter Parker on his cameo on Civil War.
>he is now fueling dead, and you are supposed to miss him

>>89807506
They are just movies dude, geez.

>>89807237
I genuinely couldn't finish Sucker Punch myself. Turned that movie off halfway through because it was COMPLETE shit.

>>89807699
kinda wanna see it now

>>89807387
Yeah I swear anyone who defends the DCEU have never read comics. SAY what you will about Jimmy Olsen. I hate the guy but you do not be fucking disrespectful to the source material like that.

It was Jimmy Olsen's own fucking solo series that introduced popular fourth world concept created by Kirby. To have that guy be shot in the fucking face to show how edgy your movie is a big fuck you to your audience and superman mythos in general.

Fuck the hack Snyder.

>>89807563
I genuinely hate what Snyder has done to Superman in the DCEU. It's exactly what someone who didn't really like Superman would do.

>>89807728
Don't waste your time. It wasn't even so bad it was good. There wasn't much to laugh at and the parts that were didn't justify sitting through the rest of the movie. It epitomizes Snyder's 'dark and super serious, pretentious, yet still ultimately style over any resemblance of substance'-style. Whenever anyone tries to hail Snyder as a genius, I just point to that movie as proof that the man is nothing but a fucking hack.

>>89807817
>It's exactly what someone who didn't really like Superman would do.
B-but didn't you hear all the times he said Superman is his favorite superhero? People don't lie, and their statements should matter more than the quality of their effort, even when that quality demonstrates a sentiment that seemingly stands in direct opposition of their statement.
/sarcasm

>>89807563
>They are just movies dude, geez.
I don't know many, call me a faggot for sure but I always dislike when it's completely constant where everyone's talking shit about something I genuinely enjoyed and get really rather demotivated in a lot of ways.

>>89807876
But anon, I've been a dedicated fan of Superman and Superman comics who's been reading Superman for decades now and I loved the movie! I love everything Zack Snyder has ever done and I love how the DCEU is closer to the comics than any previous adaptation of the source material! There's no way I could be lying.

>>89807916
>call me a faggot for sure but I always dislike when it's completely constant where everyone's talking shit about something I genuinely enjoyed and get really rather demotivated in a lot of ways.


You can grown the fucking up.

>>89800147
Is that the time travel suit Flash was wearing?

>>89806864
>>It was just a reference to Frankstein and represented Lex wanting to become like a God


No you idiot, it was about Victor Frankenstein and Adam frankenstein and Lex deluding himself thinkign he was like prometheus. A TITAN, not a god. you are just too stupid to listen any argument

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>>89808096
>grown the fucking up.

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>>89808248
Sure buddy, suuure.

>>89807998
Z-Zack?

>>89807998
>DCEU is closer to the comics than any previous adaptation of the source material!

As a long time reader of the character, let's agree to disagree.

>>89801933
Superman is supposed to be optimistic in tone, not somber and gritty and unsure of himself. It ruins the whole contrast that Superman and Batman had against each other and it drags the DCEU as a whole into a rut because there's nobody there for the audience to feel sympathetic for.

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>>89797543
>>89798677
>>89799743
>>89800249

everyone knows Cyborg from Teen Titans cartoon, I know he only has one line in the trailer but it doesnt seem like his bombastic personality is going to carry over. Plus he looks like garbage, I wish they had went with artificial muscle rather than transformer jaggy metal. And dont even get my started on the Flash, this movie will be horrible.

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>>89797543
>And I feel like it's a bad actor choice, just seems out of place among the roster.
Why, Momoa and Gadot can't act for shit either.

Affleck is going to have CARRY the whole movie. This movie is beyond fucked.

>>89809337
Superman doubts itself all the time in the comics, the difference is that this movie choose to FOCUS on that.

>>89811764
There's a difference between having doubts and going "woe is me" to the point where you're practically ineffectual.

Also, Superman doubts himself because he either can't save everyone or his powers end up hurting someone that he cares about, not just because his shitty father taught him to let children die if it comes down to a choice between anonymity and heroism.

>>89811846
>ut, not just because his shitty father taught him to let children die if it comes down to a choice between anonymity and heroism.

But that doesnt happen in the movie. He is told his actions will change the world and that he needs to be ready for that (kids) and that even trying to do good can have negative consequences that he will have to learn to live with (horses). But you are autistic. You don't want to understand or make any effort watching cape movies you want everything to be told directly to you.

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>>89797467
That picture looks like Megatron fucked a baby into Finn from Star Wars. What the hell?

>>89811919
Typical DCuck strategy "it's not as if the movie is poorly written, you just don't understand TRUE kino."
>But that doesnt happen in the movie.
That's because the film is poorly written and sets up shit that doesn't matter in the end. Like the whole scene where Pa Kent tells Kent to let children die if it comes down to keeping his identity would've worked if it happened before we see him saving those people on the oil tanker because then it could've actually set up a conflict within the movie.

But of course, Snyder's at the helm so MORE EXPLOSIONS, MORE DESTRUCTION PORN, FUCK SUPERHEROES WHO ACTUALLY SAVE PEOPLE, WE DCEU FAGGOTS!

>>89812031
>FUCK SUPERHEROES WHO ACTUALLY SAVE PEOPLE, WE DCEU
Are you saying Superman never saved anyone in these movies?

>>89812062
In the DCEU, the amount of people saved is always lower than the amount of people murdered by the heroes.

Even when he does save people, the movie either glosses over it or frames it as if it's some sort of sad moment like somebody died or something rather than a triumphant event that shows how Superman has learned from Zod.

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>>89805064
>but Sucker Punch had more imagination in its opening sequence than Doctor Strange had in its whole runtime.
This is the funniest goddamn post I've ever seen on /co/

Imagine being such a WB dickrider that THIS is what you're defending

>>89797467
Oh, this is off to a rollicking good start.

I can't wait for contrarians to start defending the way Cyborg looks.

>>89812289
SERIOUS DRAMA ABOUT A GIRL LIVING IN A MISOGYNISTIC SOCIETY

>>89811761
momoa was just some dude that fucked that chick from the cosby show
then i think was in baywatch
then he was supposedly a badass in game of thrones, but all he did was sit, fuck a girl, ride a horse, sit, sit, then die
and they tried to make him an action star with conan (which bombed)
now, he's (ahem) aquaman...
and going to give him his own movie?

TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER

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>>89797467
woa, didnt know DC had the rights to pic related

>>89798633
>how dare people want something else from their movies but what I want!!!

can you be anymore childish?

>>89812289
cool I love The Matrix

>>89804848
>he genuinely thought Strange was trippy

son, try watching more movies other than summer blockbusters, or try actually doing psychedelics for once in your life. It was fucking family friendly, consumable "trip"

>>89807782
>>89807563
>>89807387
>>89807089
>>89806983
>>89807158

I've been reading comics basically since I could read and I love BvS.


Get over yourself, there is no one true canon, literally the whole point of everything Morrison and Moore have made is that its ALL canon and there are room for all kinds of stories.


Who gives a shit if Jimmy is dead, can you even tell me one story Jimmy was instrumental for? For the 4th world stuff that happened in Jimmy's book (which I have sitting right here on my shelf), Jimmy had absolutely no hand in the 4th world shit, it happens despite him, not because of him. Kirby literally just dumped his 4th world heacanon in there because no one else was using the Superman's Pal title.
If Superman not making jokes and characters taking matters seriously triggers you so hard, you have not read the vast majority of post-crisis Superman stories.
Also, this Luthor was largely based on his Golden/Silver Age incarnations (which are heavily echoed in Birthright). Stop being so pleb.

>>89812289
>LOL DUDE FRACTALS!

Strange was "trippiness" for audiences who never have seen an arthouse movie or have never done psychedelics themselves. Don't be such a pussy.

>>89813363
>I read comics
>but fuck comics, they aren't canon
Makes you think

>>89813399
They aren't son, learn to actually read comics. Nothing is canon and its all canon. Every single writer and story chooses what to acknowledge as canon. Get over yourself and any idea of "true" canon.

>>89813363
You are the most autistic fag of this board right now.

>black man
>having hair

>>89813457
Learn to read something better than Big 2 shit.

>>89813363
>Also, this Luthor was largely based on his Golden/Silver Age incarnations


What you autists aren't capable of notice, is something called "good execution" and "bad execution". If your villain of your dumb blockbuster became a joke, it's your fault for being a bad storyteller.

>>89813557
amazing comeback, really added to the conversation and made compelling points there kiddo.


>>89813573
I got the whole Contract With God trilogy sitting right here, how does that in anyway invalidate what I said?

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>>89813363
Some could argue that an adaptation should, well, adapt, otherwise it's pointless, but sure, there can be alternative stories. I'm one of those comics fans against costant recycles of old stories for the sake of forcing a canon that often can't stand together myself.
Problem is Snyder and everyone around him are tools that couldn't write anything decent for their life, "canon" or not

Byrne makes Superman kill Zod? It comes off naturally and makes sense within it's context and how the characters react to the situation

Snyder makes Superman kill Zod? It's literally a last minute rewrite made purposefully because Snyder thought it would be cool to do something unexpected and in fact it feels forced in a script that doesn't call for it (there's no setup about Supes' morals on killing, so Zod's death isn't a payoff to anything, Supes just kills Zod, because; compare to Batman Begins where Bruce deals with the idea of killing during the whole movie) and the characters barely react to it at all (brushing an enormous tragedy off with a quick montage of the characters being happy is hack directing, they did the same shit with Amazing Spiderman 2. "Oh well if we show a two minute montage of Peter grieving then we can safely bring him back to his happy self"; compare to Spiderman 1 and 3 literally ending in a cemetery)

I used the example of Byrne because while you're arguing that these movies are good because they're different, many MANY fanboys instead argue these movies are good because they're just like teh comics but people are too stupid to notice


But i'm sure you'll just say "it made sense to me!" or whatever, i don't care, i've been repeating the same shit over and over for, what, 4 years now? Writing this post already made me tired

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>>89813676
its not a bad execution though, it was great. He truly felt like a mad scientist that would create a bizarro kryptonian without worrying about how to control it (just like in the comics) but could also deliver speeches like pic related from the Byrne era

>>89804716
>Now
Pleb.

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>>89813363
>Who gives a shit if Jimmy is dead, can you even tell me one story Jimmy was instrumental for?
>Also, this Luthor was largely based on his Golden/Silver Age incarnations

Look at this fucking idiot
Look at him and laugh

>>89813744
>It's literally a last minute rewrite made purposefully because Snyder thought it would be cool to do something unexpected

Thats literally not true, he just wrote it in after Nolan's propose treatment for it. It was not last minute at all. It was meant to be a defining moment that built is character, unlike when he killed Zod in the comics which only comes back up once (when he visits his grave later). This was Superman literally trying everything he could to save humanity without damning krypton and he eventually was forced to make a choice.


Like the whole movie revolves around where he draws the line for himself, how much action does he feel it appropriate it to take, and how does he balance the alien and human sides of himself, and then the Zod moment is a reckoning of both of those things.


Even Jurgens, an actual comic writer, thinks its good: http://comicbook.com/2015/07/06/superman-legend-dan-jurgens-man-of-steel-handled-zods-death-bett/
And a thing can both be different and new, and still be paying homage/base itself after older comics. They do that IN comics all the time, stop being such a canon pleb.

>>89813880
>I have no counter argument, the post

>>89813457
>None of this matter
>but listen to me, I've read all this non-canon shit
Really fires the neurons mate

>>89813923
>This was Superman literally trying everything he could to save humanity without damning krypton

>Fights a stronger foe in the middle of two crowded populated areas
>Destroys the trees that could've been used to restore Krypton
>Throws Zod through buildings left and right when it was established that it didn't harm him.
>...Superman tries his all to save humanity without damning Krypton.
You must be confused.

>>89813807
It was shit, he came off as an autistic child of average intelligence surrounded by absolute retards.

>>89813957
It's the deluded fag got from ManofSteelAnswers, they are literally a cult around Snyder. It's useless.

>>89814035
>Fights a stronger foe in the middle of two crowded populated areas
He didn't bring the fights there, they did. This happens in the comics ALL the time. Is it Superman's fault that he had to fight Zod in the city in the Donner movies too?
>Destroys the trees that could've been used to restore Krypton
What the fuck are you event talking about?


>Throws Zod through buildings left and right when it was established that it didn't harm him.
You're right, he should have just let Zod run around killing people instead of trying to stop him

>>89814039
>I have no counter argument but my opinion is right!!!!


I always find it funny how once comics are actually brought up, you people have to be like "NAAAAAH ITS SHIIIIT" and cant articulate exactly why without resorting to memes.

>>89813923
>Even Jurgens, an actual comic writer, thinks its good: http://comicbook.com/2015/07/06/superman-legend-dan-jurgens-man-of-steel-handled-zods-death-bett/

Dead link, boy, or the site is down maybe
But i don't care about the professionals' opinions, it's professionals that offer us garbage every day about many beloved characters. Not to mention the remote chance of simple shilling

>Like the whole movie revolves around where he draws the line for himself, how much action does he feel it appropriate it to take
Seems like you're confusing Man of Shit with Shitman V Bullshitman

>and how does he balance the alien and human sides of himself
That does not happen. Once he finds out about Krypton *poof* he's a Kryptonian smugly explaining his alien language to a random reporter he'll later fuck on the ashes of a thousand dead souls he failed to save

>>89814068
not from MoSA, but good try. Also the post you are replying to literally has no argument.

>>89814130
Link works fine for me

>But i don't care about the professionals' opinions
>I know better than actual comic writers!

Jesus christ, listen to yourselves. Somehow you know the characters better than the people that created said characters?


Also both MoS and BvS are about the same themes in regards to what actions to take. Man of Steel is definitely about Clark deciding how he wants to engage with the world, BvS is about that approach being tested, and then JL seems to be about the pay off of said approach (ie, inspiring others to do the same).


>Once he finds out about Krypton *poof* he's a Kryptonian
Not at all, hence him, you know, saving the world and being in love with a human, and killing the last Kryptonian in our dimension.
>he'll later fuck on the ashes of a thousand dead souls he failed to save
Good job sounding deluded though.

>>89814086
>He didn't bring the fights there, they did.
Did you miss the part where he tackled Zod through a 7-11?
>What the fuck are you event talking about?
Those bulbs attached to the roots inside that water tank? That was shit that could've been used to revive krypton.
>You're right, he should have just let Zod run around killing people instead of trying to stop him
Or...he could've tackled Zod again so that they ended up somewhere in the mountains or something.

>>89814111
I gave you an argument, you're just choosing to ignore it.
BvS Lex didn't come across as a genius mastermind who will do whatever it takes to get what he wants no matter the costs, he came across as an autistic brat that can barely contain his urge to "REEEE". A big part of Lex's character is that to the public he doesn't seem so bad, but BvS Lex is clearly a fucked up individual, remember his speech at the part where he almost fucking lost his shit?

BvS Lex wasn't threatening, he wasn't entertaining, he wasn't even "so bad he's good", he was just shit. His Doomsday plan was also fucking dumb, if Batman actually killed Superman then Doomsday would have killed Lex before he even found out.

>>89813945
>I have no counter argument, the post.

>>89814248
>>he'll later fuck on the ashes of a thousand dead souls he failed to save
>Good job sounding deluded though.

Yeah, i don't know what got over me, meant *one hundred thousand dead souls

>>89814136
Have some fun with these them, I challenge you to give a decent answer:

>>Why Superman didnt shouted to Batman that his mother was kidnapped, before the battle? Superman could have solved the conflict simply by saying “Bruce, they kidnapped my mom” or even better, “HELP ME!”.
>>Why Batman think that WW is with Superman, if he knows her secret identity and is actually the only one that talked to her on the cast?
>>Did they expected anyone that doesnt read comics to know what the hell was happening on the Knightmare sequence?
>> Doesnt Hacksnyder know that needing flashbacks and dream sequences on the middle of your story is considered one of the major marks of a baddly written and confusing story? Seriously, Snyder should read some Robert Mackee.
>>Why not use the credits to show the JL members, instead of akwardly shoving them in the middle of a dramatic scene?
>>So why didnt they just kill MARTHA the moment batman arrived?
>>Why didn't Superman use his super speed to zip by and save his mom as soon as he learned she was in danger? If Batman could saver her, why not him, that is quickier and more powerful?
>>Why did Lex's goons kidnap a woman in Kansas and take her all the way to the east coast right next to where Superman is forced to fight?
>>Why this movie sells less than Deadpool? Why this movie made less domestically than Deadpool?
>Why they choose to funk over Superman's creator and his family by making MOS?
>Why they keep Snyder around if he has been show to be incompetent and a really stupid person on interviews and directing?

>>89814352

>>Bruce should have investigated Supes and already know about his mother previously of the battle. This isnt only what happens on the most comics regarding Batman and He discovering Clark identity, this movie more than anything has a reason for him to do this. If he and Lex want to kill Superman, discovering his identity or information about him is primordial, and they had 2 years. Lex managed to do this, so why not Bruce?
>>Why Superman let the criminals that were throwing rockets at Batman go away?
>>Why Luthor used a bomb to explode the congress, that was easily conected to him, that would make him go to jail anyway at the end?
>>Why he made Doomsday, if he had no way to control him? Is he completely insane?
>>Why Superman has halucinations with his dead father telling things that He “didnt knew”? Is he retarded? Schizofrenic?
>>Why you kill the main hero of your universe on the second movie, when he barely had any characterization?
>>Why kill off Clark Kent, the human aspect of Superman?
>> Why Clark has no supporting cast to bounce off? This is fundamental for characterization.
>>Why you think it is a good idea to make a MC with almost no agency?
>>Related to the above, Hack Snyder even say that Clark likes to wear a cape as a kid because of his Kryptonian DNA. Why Nigga cant even choose how to dress like?

>>89813363
>Who gives a shit if Jimmy is dead?
I care, because the DCEU drags enough Superman material through the mud
>This Luthor was largely based on Golden Age/Silver incarnations
Even if that was what WB was going for, they failed miserably. This mad scientist, autist, Steve Jobs interpretation was a HORRIBLE choice from the start. The simple fact is Snyder bent over backwards to appeal to Jesse's needs for a role he was miscast for.

>>89814311
I've met girls that thought Lexeberg was cute, my sister foremost. Does this surprise anyone? He acts like a wounded schizophrenic puppy the whole time

>>89814294
>Those bulbs attached to the roots inside that water tank? That was shit that could've been used to revive krypton.
Yeah, the point wasnt that they physically couldn't be brought back, it was that they damned themselves and as a society created Zod. Basically the failure to turn Zod and his cronies good, meant that Clark gave up on the idea of bringing Krypton back. Its a pretty common theme in the comics, they did a much more elaborate version of the same idea when they had New Krypton.
>Or...he could've tackled Zod again so that they ended up somewhere in the mountains or something.
>Did you miss the part where he tackled Zod through a 7-11?
Did you miss the part where its literally his very first fight ever? And they are genetically trained warriors and he is just a guy with powers? Like he is trying his hardest, dont give me this Superman never makes mistakes shit. Similar battle damage happens in stuff like Secret Identity and Ending Battle.

>>89814311
BvS's Luthor seemed like the kind of incompetent villain who keeps taking credit for random shit saying "IT WAS MY PLAN ALL ALONG". Not to mention most of schemes rely on wild assumptions/blind luck

>>89814503
He is like a He-Man villain.

>>89814311
>>89814503
>>89814111

Saying he is autistic is not an argument, its an opinion.

>Lex didn't come across as a genius mastermind who will do whatever it takes to get what he wants no matter the costs

He blew up a goddamn Senate building just to get the world to hate Superman. He created a super Bizarro/Doomsday monster just to prove that Superman was a fraud.
>if Batman actually killed Superman then Doomsday would have killed Lex before he even found out.
Lex thought he could control Doomsday, just like Lex thought he could control Bizarro in the comics (and was wrong) and just like the Kryptonian scientist thought he could control Doomsday (and was wrong) read some goddamn comics. Luthor creating something he can't control due to hubris is like Luhtor 101. Also if he really really needed to, he had more kryptonite, which would be more than enough to justify in his mind that he could have killed Doomsday if need be.


>BvS's Luthor seemed like the kind of incompetent villain who keeps taking credit for random shit
But everything that happened in BvS WAS part of his plan

>>89814499
>Did you miss the part where its literally his very first fight ever?
>Literally tackles a dude through a silo, a 7-11, an Ihop, as well as several other buildings
>Can't do this again once it becomes clear that their presence is causing the most destruction.
Shit like this pisses me off on a conceptual level, because there's no reason why he couldn't at least try to do it again but alas, Snyder has to inject his weightless destruction porn somewhere I guess.

Sad

>>89814352
>>Why Superman didnt shouted to Batman that his mother was kidnapped, before the battle? Superman could have solved the conflict simply by saying “Bruce, they kidnapped my mom” or even better, “HELP ME!”.
He tried but Batman didn't listen and kept attacking him. And we both know Batman wasn't going to listen.
>>Why Batman think that WW is with Superman, if he knows her secret identity and is actually the only one that talked to her on the cast?
He doesn't know her secret identity at all, just that she lives for a long ass time. If I only knew of two immortals who wear emblems I would think they are together in some capacity.
>> Doesnt Hacksnyder know that needing flashbacks and dream sequences on the middle of your story is considered one of the major marks of a baddly written and confusing story? Seriously, Snyder should read some Robert Mackee.
Holy shit tons and tons and tons of movies use flashbacks, like The Usual Suspects and Rashomon you fucking idiot.
>>Why not use the credits to show the JL members, instead of akwardly shoving them in the middle of a dramatic scene?
They werent awkwardly shoved (learned to spell btw) they were given to him by Luthor to show him there were other metas out there to add to Bruce's paranoia and fear (as illustrated in the email he sends to WW).
>>So why didnt they just kill MARTHA the moment batman arrived?
Because their orders were to kill her if Superman arrived, if they kill her right then they have no bargaining chip.


>>Why didn't Superman use his super speed to zip by and save his mom as soon as he learned she was in danger? If Batman could saver her, why not him, that is quickier and more powerful?
He didn't know where she was. It was shown that Luthor knows Superman cant detect things through led, so she was probably in an all led room. Also Superman had to deal with Doomsday.

>>89814601
I never said he was an autist you moron. Also no one hated Superman over the senate bomb, they were concerned about the africa incident, get it straight before spouting bullshit. And there is NOTHING in the movie which supports Luthor thinking he control Doomsday other than him being a complete fucking dumbass. If anything, he thought Doomsday would kill everyone, including himself, given his reaction and as a petty everyone loses type thing. Not to mention he DIDNT have anymore kryptonite because Batman stole it, nor did he have to means to obtain more.

>>89814601
>Saying he is autistic is not an argument, its an opinion.


Everything in movie discussion is an opinion, you autist. You for example, is one of the only fans that has the opinion that the movie was worth of anything.

>>89814352
>>Why did Lex's goons kidnap a woman in Kansas and take her all the way to the east coast right next to where Superman is forced to fight?
Because thats where the led room was, and its harder to find someone in a more densely populated area (as shown in MoS where he has trouble drowning out the sounds).

>>89814601
>He blew up a goddamn Senate building just to get the world to hate Superman.
This is fucking dumb, you blame the bomber, not the target.
>He created a super Bizarro/Doomsday monster just to prove that Superman was a fraud.
A fraud for what? Superman had done nothing but try to help, he never claimed to be the second coming or anything, And he didn't really create it, he put his bloody hand and Zod's body in some juice and the Kryptonian technology did the rest.
>Lex thought he could control Doomsday, just like Lex thought he could control Bizarro in the comics (and was wrong) and just like the Kryptonian scientist thought he could control Doomsday (and was wrong) read some goddamn comics
Lex never once says or implies he thought he could control it, if I recall correctly the computer even tells him he'd be making a mindless monster.
>Also if he really really needed to, he had more kryptonite, which would be more than enough to justify in his mind that he could have killed Doomsday if need be.
If he really believed that why didn't he just make a Kryptonite bullet and get someone to shoot Superman?

>>89814717
>He tried
Yeah, bull. shit. Had Clark said ONE specific detail about both of them being played, or anything other than "Theres no time!", then we could have skipped the entire fight. Its poor writing which leads to the conflict, and its poor writing that which resolves in mere seconds cutting any weight it was trying to build

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>>89797467

>This abortion took priority over Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern

>>89814648
>>89814499

Not to mention that if the intention was to show he can't superhero properly then they would've showed it in ANY way. But no, the only time Supes is commenting on the dangers they're bringing down is when he took Zod to Smallvile (and i repeat, HE took him there, they were in open fields before) and he proudly warns the people around him to get back to their houses

There is not a single trace of insecurity in Clark during those fights. Snyderfags have to reach so hard they take for example the scene where Supes purposefully lets an oil tank explode on a building and claim that while the camera is not showing his face he must be "observing in horror" the destruction they're causing

>>89814717
>He tried but Batman didn't listen and kept attacking him. And we both know Batman wasn't going to listen.
He never once said he needed help, after Bruce refused to listen once Clark pushed him through the mud like it was a schoolyard fight.

>>89814717
>so she was probably in an all led room. Also Superman

Bull fucking shit headcanon.

>>89814391
>>Bruce should have investigated Supes and already know about his mother previously of the battle
Its painfully obvious he only sees Superman as an alien with no human connections, thus he has no reason to think he has a secret identity (especially since he doesn't even wear a mask).


> Lex managed to do this, so why not Bruce?
Because Lex though Superman was a fake from the get go so he had every reason to suspect he had a secret

>>Why Superman let the criminals that were throwing rockets at Batman go away?
They werent criminals, they were guards protecting merchandise from a crazed Batman


>>Why Luthor used a bomb to explode the congress, that was easily conected to him, that would make him go to jail anyway at the end?
It wasnt connected to him by anyone but Lois. And he went to jail for a lot of reasons other than the bomb.


>>Why he made Doomsday, if he had no way to control him?
Lex thought he could control Doomsday, just like Lex thought he could control Bizarro in the comics (and was wrong) and just like the Kryptonian scientist thought he could control Doomsday (and was wrong) read some goddamn comics. Luthor creating something he can't control due to hubris is like Luhtor 101. Also if he really really needed to, he had more kryptonite, which would be more than enough to justify in his mind that he could have killed Doomsday if need be.
The rest of your questions im not gunna bother with because they are retarded, I cant believe you are so triggered you keep this copy+pasta lying around

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>>89804791
Hey, could be worse, you could be like me, a Marvelfag stuck in the Marvel comics are shit and don't get me started on their cartoons why'd they kill EMH for this garbage timeline. Even worse, I'm a Spideyfag stuck in the Sony has no idea what it's movies and keep shitting out terrible reboots, the video games have all been shit for generations, Slott's a terrible fucking writer and never going away and everywhere else tries to shove Miles "one shot" Morales down my fucking throat timeline.

>>89814791
>Because thats where the led room was,

Which led room? Also there are populated areas on Kansas.

The ideal would be a bunker under a big city, isolated of sound, which would be fun king easy for Lex.

>>89814733
The senate hearing was BECAUSE of the Africa incident, and lots of people did blame Superman for the bombing (hell, even Superman blamed himself)


>And there is NOTHING in the movie which supports Luthor thinking he control Doomsday
He literally says blood of my blood, and just the very fact he creates him implies he thinks he has some level of control.


> If anything, he thought Doomsday would kill everyone, including himself
Nah, otherwise he wouldnt have been surprised when he punched him. Again this stuff happened in the comics with Bizarro. Why did comics Luthor create Bizarro if he was wrong about being able to control him?
>Not to mention he DIDNT have anymore kryptonite because Batman stole it
That was just one shipment, of course he had more, there was literally a whole field of kryptonite in the ocean he found.

>>89814902
>Its painfully obvious he only sees Superman as an alien with no human connections, thus he has no reason to think he has a secret identity


Nobody talked about secret identity. There are a shot ton of other things to know out of researching your enemy.

Luthor got it.

>>89814902
>Also if he really really needed to, he had more kryptonite


How you know? Why Snyder fans need to make shot up?

He'll, defending Lex making things "just because" and use insane reasoning is just justifying bad writing, no matter what. Even more because he didn't even knew the result of the fight.

>>89814793
>This is fucking dumb, you blame the bomber, not the target.
People blame Superman for giving him a reason to bomb anything to begin with, especially since he himself is invincible. Even Superman blames himself at first.
>A fraud for what? Superman had done nothing but try to help, he never claimed to be the second coming or anything, And he didn't really create it, he put his bloody hand and Zod's body in some juice and the Kryptonian technology did the rest.
He created it as much as anyone creates it using said technology. And I never said Superman claimed anything, but Luthor throughout the movie is convinced Superman isnt as good as he claims he is. He has that whole speech about how he cant be all good or all powerful and is trying to disprove one or the other.
>Lex never once says or implies he thought he could control it, if I recall correctly the computer even tells him he'd be making a mindless monster.
He had that whole blood of my blood speech, and of course he wants to create a mindless monster, because thats the best kind of monster to control, one that cant think for itself. Again, read any comic where Luthor creates Bizarro its the same thing.
>If he really believed that why didn't he just make a Kryptonite bullet and get someone to shoot Superman?
I mean he did in the form of Batman, but it very obviously wouldnt work as a bullet since its very crystalline and brittle in this world. Hence it being turned into a spear. Like the same reason you cant make really good obsidian bullets.

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How are people still arguing about BvS? HOW?!

If you liked it, you are not the majority, and your year long bitching has not changed minds that the shit they saw was good. The argument always boils down to
>>I like movie
>>I dont like movie
>>No fuck you, movie is good

Let this shit go

>>89814935
the room they kept Martha in. Its shown that Luthor knows of Superman's lead impediment.

>>89814964
No no, you said "He blew up a goddamn senate building just to get the world to hate Superman" which is still fucking wrong. You're backpedaling.
>That was just one shipment, there was a whole field of kryptonite in the ocean
And again you're fucking wrong with your headcanon. That hunk of rock was the ONLY bit of Kryptonite recovered after months of combing the wreckage. He had zero contingency for Doomsday, Lex is a fucking idiot

>>89814842
No, Bruce attacked him first when Superman tried to talk to him. Re-watch the scene. Good job just flat out misremembering.

>>89815088
And it is never show that it is anything other than a normal building.

You saying that it was an special room is headcanon.

>>89814795
he did though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58KXLPE7M_s

He flat out says he is wrong and says please and even mentions Lex. Batman is just too far gone.

>>89815099
With useless bullets.

He just needed to fly higher.

Hell, Batman would have killed him if he used kryptonite bullets.

>>89815098
>No no, you said "He blew up a goddamn senate building just to get the world to hate Superman" which is still fucking wrong. You're backpedaling.

No its not wrong though, he did do that as part of his plan to get the world to hate Superman. He did the Africa thing too.
>That hunk of rock was the ONLY bit of Kryptonite recovered after months of combing the wreckage.
No: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaRW4WUUw8

Even that chunk is broken off a bigger rock.


Stop misremembering the movie.

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MEANWHILE


seriously DC needs to be banned if for no other reason so their "fans" won't go and kill themselves for liking such a shitty fucking company

>>89815129
>Bullets

no, they were sonic wave emmiters which is shown hurting him in the scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58KXLPE7M_s

>>89815088
The only time the acknowledge Superman unable to see through lead is in the extended cut when Lois phones about the bomb being encased in lead, even then they brush it off like its been previously established in MoS and at no time do they say Martha was in a lead lined building. Even so, Clark should have had no trouble finding the building given the armed gunmen stationed outside and his super hearing

>>89815105
>>89814891

They show that Luthor knew of his led weakness before, why wouldnt he use it again? But this is all so pedantic, there are a billion reasons why Superman couldnt get Martha. They were ordered to shoot her on sight should he get close. He didnt have enough time to find her. His superspeed is shown to cause sonic booms in this universe so maybe if super speeded to save her he might have hurt her.


etc. and so on

>>89814990
>Nobody talked about secret identity.

YES THEY DID, look at the question being responded to

>>Bruce should have investigated Supes and already know about his mother previously of the battle. This isnt only what happens on the most comics regarding Batman and He discovering Clark identity, this movie more than anything has a reason for him to do this. If he and Lex want to kill Superman, discovering his identity or information about him is primordial, and they had 2 years. Lex managed to do this, so why not Bruce?
They say identity RIGHT there.


Also Bruce found out all the relevant information he needed, his weakness to kryptonite.

>>89815073
>People blame Superman for giving him a reason to bomb anything to begin with, especially since he himself is invincible
It's still fucking dumb because no one does this, people are always angry with the bombers first.
>And I never said Superman claimed anything, but Luthor throughout the movie is convinced Superman isnt as good as he claims he is. He has that whole speech about how he cant be all good or all powerful and is trying to disprove one or the other.
But then he fucking makes Doomsday and is completely convinced that it'd be able to kill Superman, so why even go any further? Not to mention Kryptonite exists, he has two things he either knows or believes will kill Supes so what the fuck was his problem?
>He had that whole blood of my blood speech, and of course he wants to create a mindless monster, because thats the best kind of monster to control, one that cant think for itself. Again, read any comic where Luthor creates Bizarro its the same thing.
Does Lex not know what mindless means? It literally wouldn't think at all, it'd just kill everything it saw.
>I mean he did in the form of Batman, but it very obviously wouldnt work as a bullet since its very crystalline and brittle in this world. Hence it being turned into a spear. Like the same reason you cant make really good obsidian bullets.
There are a number of ways Lex could have killed Superman with kryptonite without involving Batman at all.

>>89815043
How do I know? Because it shows more kryptonite in the ocean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaRW4WUUw8


they literally break that piece of kryptonite off a bigger piece. You can see it right there.

>>89797467
hahahahahaha
voc has a lightning dildo!

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>>89812949
how that's weird wild-west-y show of his? Frontier? It looks like a cool concept, but he is fronting it and is a terrible actor, so I got my doubts...

The JLA designs all look bad and/or have horrendous casting. Gal Gadot was a standout as a bad actor... in the Fast and Furious movies. That's how bad she is. Tyrese was better than her for fuck's sake.

Superman is a bad actor, Aquaman is bad, Wonder Woman is bad. I have no idea who Flash and Cyborg are, haven't seen them in anything. The design however looks fucking garbage tier.

If Ben Affleck, a mid-level actor at most, is by far the best in your roster... you're gonna have a bad time.

>>89815099
>No, Bruce attacked him first when Superman tried to talk to him. Re-watch the scene. Good job just flat out misremembering.
That's the "refused once" part, you absolute retard.

>>89815176
Luthor gave him a ticking clock. It was shown in MoS that he has trouble differentiating sounds if he doesnt concentrate.

see

>>89815205

>>89815265
What are you babbling on about? Look at the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58KXLPE7M_s

Bruce hits him with the sonics before Superman ever pushes him.


Jesus christ are you retarded.

>>89815240
You're assuming the rest of that is kryptonite. Its a geode containing what little of it was made. HEADCANON

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Can anyone honestly say the fight in BvS was better then TDKReturns?
Like...I can forgive all the other bullshit if I at least got a cool live action BvS scene

In the movie batman hits supes with a sink....a fucking sink? Superman flies through buildings like paper and he hits him over the head with a sink.

In the cartoon/comic he attacks him with a power grid, a wrecking ball, fucking homing missiles activated by x-rays!

Whats the point of live action capes if all the spectacle is wasted on heroes posing for camera shots!

And I swear if someone tries and says that a cape film billed as a VS was to deep for good fights satan will rain down your throat with hot acid, dissolve your testicles, and turn your guts into snakes!

This movie had literally nothing for me. If you liked it cool, but stop trying to convince the rest of us your garbage smells good.

>>89815205
>They were ordered to shoot her on sight should he get close.
He's fucking Superman.
>He didnt have enough time to find her
He's fucking Superman.
>His superspeed is shown to cause sonic booms in this universe so maybe if super speeded to save her he might have hurt her.
He's fucking Superman.

>>89815229
>It's still fucking dumb because no one does this

but they do, especially when its someone you already view as a threat. How often do you see people blaming Obama for terrorism he had nothing to do with? How often do you see people blaming Trump for that guy burning down the mosque in texas?

>>89815303
You know spamming the same 2 video clips doenst magically make you right anon

>>89815229
>But then he fucking makes Doomsday and is completely convinced that it'd be able to kill Superman, so why even go any further?

He didn't go further, once he achieved that point his plan stopped.

>>89815303
>after Bruce refused to listen once Clark pushed him through the mud like it was a schoolyard fight.
>after Bruce refused to listen once
>after Bruce refused
>after
>AFTER
Learn to fucking read, how can someone as dumb as you live?

>>89815229
>Does Lex not know what mindless means

Dont be so literal, I call people mindless without literally meaning they have no mind. Also mindless is often used to describe those that follow orders without thinking. "Mindless drones"

>>89815229
>There are a number of ways Lex could have killed Superman with kryptonite without involving Batman at all.
But why not just use Batman if he already wants to kill Superman himself? Two birds, one stone.

>>89815353
it was after bruce refused to listen multiple times actually, so you are still wrong, thanks for playing though.

>>89815363
So the advanced ship AI wasnt being literal when it said he'd be creating a mindless abomination.......

>>89815304
>broken off from a big rock
>only this chunk is kryptonite not the rest of the rock!!

are you retarded? Its literally a chunk of a bigger rock, of course the rest of the rock will also have kryptonite.

>>89815377
Because he needed extra 2 years and put himself against a crazy vigilant in the process while making everything more complicated.

>>89815320
>why isnt this interpretation of this character a super god who can do anything!

read more comics, these things have all been used to stop Superman in the past.

>>89815363
>Dont be so literal, I call people mindless without literally meaning they have no mind. Also mindless is often used to describe those that follow orders without thinking. "Mindless drones"
Yeah, but a fucking computer told him this, not a person.
>>89815377
>Two birds, one stone.
What was his beef with Batman? According to Lex, Bruce did everything he wanted him to.

>>89815402
well yeah, abomination is already a metaphorical word. The AI speaks in metaphors alot, or did you miss the bit where it shows Superman his whole heritage using non-literal imagery?

>>89815438
see
>>89815446

>>89815438
two birds, meaning that Batman would get the blame for killing Superman from those that do favor him.

>>89815392
>Bruce leads Clark into sound trap and says "I UNDERSTAND"
>Gets pushed into mud
I count once, dumbass.

>>89815408
Good then you can show me the scene where they specifically state theres a motherload of kryptonite theyre waiting to get approval to mine. Because from what I recall, that hunk was the only source they found.
>>89815446
Difference being one was a standard AI, and one was literally Jor El's mind.

>>89815427
it was just multiple plans he had going on, if Batman didnt work than Doomsday would, at worse Batman serves as a distraction while he creates Doomsday.

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>>89815377
Cause its forced and to make it make sense they made a movie that only a handful of nutjins keep trying to defend when the rest of the world is already moved on to "so bad its funny" with the film months ago?

I still laugh at this shit

>>89815476
You mean where Luthor, after getting the initial sample, tells the senator they have more and want to import it to mass distribute kryptonite weapons for the government?

>>89800330
http://pastebin.com/Si4karjn

Here's the full article for anyone that's interested. It's the nadir of SJW bullshit.

>>89815434
Everything Superman needed to save Martha was presented in the movie, though, why didn't he do that thing he did with Lois where he just appears in the blink of an eye without warning to save Martha?
>>89815446
The AI is not shown to have a personality so there's no reason to think it wasn't being literal.

>>89815514
It is 100% accurate.

>People keep saying how gloom and doom the DCEU is so WB is trying to make it light.
>People are still somehow mad.

This is on y'all.

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>>89797543
>Just noticed he has no real knees
>Just noticed he has no real support on any of his joints

WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS? They already have a great design. Why make him a transformer with 3/4 of a fucking face?

>>89815476
so? it still shows that the AI is capable of not being literally 100% of the time. Fuck, not even Tony's AI in the MCU is literally all the time. This is one of the stupidest complaints ive seen.

>>89815555
Bad execution.

>>89815557
He has knees, he just doesn't have a knee cap.

>>89815555
It's going backwards, is the problem. They're trying to literally bring Apokalips to earth now and suddenly it's gonna be an action comedy? The time to do this was before. Superman's DEAD and he's gonna finally put some points into his charisma stat after that? Too late. You already blew his death. Nobody's missing him.

>>89815474
eh okay you're right, but I still dont think its a big deal, Superman tried, Batman wasnt listening, Superman tried again, Batman refused to listen. If it triggers you that sucks, doesn't bother me. Superman sometimes act like this, like in Ending Battle for example.

>>89813363
>For the 4th world stuff that happened in Jimmy's book (which I have sitting right here on my shelf),
Take a picture of it, superfan.

>>89815538
>you need a personality to not be literal
why do you make such an assumption? How about this, never before was the AI shown as being 100% literal so why assume it would be?


>why didn't he do that thing he did with Lois where he just appears in the blink of an eye without warning to save Martha?
Because he doesn't have Martha pinged to his superhearing like Lois, is told that if he comes close to Martha they will kill her, and has to work against a ticking clock.

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>>89815555

I hope they need all five motherboxxes together so that they can summon Infinityman to beat Darkseid and then when he's done he erases their universe from existence or something. Maybe they can start back up ten years from now. Shit's a lost cause.

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>>89815676
K

Rumor is that is Justice League isn't a huge success Afflek is going to bow out as Batman.

And THAT will scuttle the DCEU.

>>89815682
Ohhhh that wont fly

In MoS "just..listen to the sound of my voice clark, imagine its an island or some shit" - Martha

Sure she was gagged but superman tracks lois heart beat and not his own mothers? Cooold supes....