Marvel Rebirth

>>89785335
I'm pretty sure he meant conservative in the literal term, as in "not taking risks", not political.

Like I love Rebirth but at the end of the day it's nostalgia pandering and the fact that I like that scares me.

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>>89785335
Shill your video somewhere else, OP

>>89785388
>pandering
There's that word again. In any other business, it's called "customer service." It's listening to what your actual paying customers want in a product and providing it. It's good business and what every successful company does. But here it's clearly pandering because we're not allowing the company itself to tell us what we're supposed to think, like, and buy. Which is what Marvel has been trying to do for the past decade, what Apple was doing for a while while their shares started tanking, etc.

>>89785388
So it scares you liking traditional comic book stories? Man, thats even scarier

>>89785533
>yfw there are creators actually called Pander

>>89785541
I like things that are new while still paying respect to characters

Annihaltion, Planet Hulk, and Sinsestro Corps will always be God tier for that

>>89785335
He didn't mean it politically anon

>>89785388
>>89785601
OP here. Jesus, are you fuckers so caught up in all the /pol/ bullshit it's immediately what comes to mind? Of course he's not talking politically. Spencer's been shitting on the back-to-basics approach DC did with Rebirth for months, which is why it's hilarious Marvel is rumored to be doing the same soon.

>>89785650
Sorry I'm fucking paranoid these days, /lol/ gets triggered so fucking easily and way too many threads get derailed

>>89785388
>Like I love Rebirth but at the end of the day it's nostalgia pandering and the fact that I like that scares me.
They did a bunch of novel stuff that didn't work and took the appropriate step back to bring everyone back on board, get the time to reassess things and then move forward with something that'll hopefully be more well received.

Taking a step back to a solid foundation isn't a bad thing if you were on shaky ground before - or in Marvel's case already plummeting at terminal velocity towards the ground.

>>89785698
>mobileposter
Wew

I'm sorta hoping for a comics crash at this point

I dunno why, would just be funny

>>89785650
It's the audience Marvel has targetted these days. Everything has to be /pol/ related in some way even though your post says nothing about it and talks about just returning to traditional storytelling.

>>89785533
>In any other business, it's called "customer service."
No, I'm pretty sure it's called pandering in film, television, literature, etc. Don't confuse media with your part time job.

>>89785751
this. I want to see comic book industry burn
The comics the comics are on fire
We don't need the water
So let the motherfucker BURN
BURN MOTHERFUCKER

>>89785335

I've been saying this would happen. It's like what Pepsi did in the 90s when they fucked up their formula and then brought back the old Pepsi.

I think it will work as a business strategy for them. They've alienated so many people they now have a chance to get customers back by simply reverting their stupid changes. It could be a win if Marvel plays it cards rights... usually it doesn't though.

We'll see.

>>89785650
>of course he's not talking politically

back when he said it /co/ was filled with triggered spergs that thought he was talking politically

Whoever made that picture must have serious mental issues. How is a made up rumour taken this seriously?
In any case, Spencer is right that a constant going back to the status quo is shit and the cancer of comics. Not saying i like his writing, btw.

>>89785335
Does marvel have a basics to go back to?

What would be the basics we are talking about? 80s avengers and claremont x-men? silver surfer & captain marvel? Bendis Avengers? There was nothing basic in the last 20 years of x-men, their status quo changed every 2 years.

I don't think they have a solid formula to return to that isn't obscure as hell or spider man

>>89785712
marvel needs to completely revamp their contracts. nobody wants to work at them because indies are giving them way more money and the marvel work enviroment seems to be completely toxic. there wasn't a big name at marvel that didn't half ass their work just to get a quick buck

>>89786492
Nice fanfiction. If nobody wants to work for them its weird that they have all those writers and artists. Almost as if you were making shit up.

>>89786564
how many big names do they have left?

>>89785388
>e end of the day it's nostalgia pandering

People keep saying this but nothing has really changed from the New 52. Superman is arguably less nostalgic now because he isn't in Metropolis and his family dynamics are completely different

>>89786564
Behold! Marvel's masterpiece of art and storytelling
>>89785487

That A listers headline is about Creators

>>89785698
>/lol/ gets triggered so fucking easily

Is this what you have to tell yourself these days?

>>89786578
You don't need big names when you're putting out Eisner award winning material like Squirrel Girl and instant classics that touch the hearts of modern audiences like Hellcat, Mockingbird, Mosaic and Moon Girl.

>>89786345

It won't work. The "Pandering" is just one of the many problems that fans have with Marvel. If they bring back all the A listers and charge $4.99 for issue 1 then expect the exact same sales collapse as the last few relaunches

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>>89786673

You know what would be nice?

Acknowledgement of things other than a handful of characters. Like, why are there so many X-Men missing? Why do we need to have every new legacy character guest star in every other book? Just make the universe feel big again.

>>89785698
Fuck off

>>89786604
AHHH
NON HOUSE STYLE ART

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>89785335
>Click video.
>Talking about the comics but using the movie studio logo, movie stills and movie fan art the entire vid.
>It's important for Marvel to continue what they're doing and pushing the messages they're pushing because Based Disney just needs the comics for movie ideas.
Truly the audience nuMarvel deserves.

>>89786673
Nothing wrong with moon girl.

So what if they're going less political, if they have the same writers quality isn't gonna improve at all.
They need to let go of Benis.

>>89786604
You cleary don't read marvel if you think all their comics look like that. 4 bad books doesnt mean that their other 30 books look bad.
And if you dont read marvel why do you think your uninformed opinión matters?

>>89786757
It's not like DC fired all the DCYou writers.

>>89786750
Except the way she dresses...

>>89786757
I swear, I don't get why Bendis still has such good standing. I don't know whether I'm more disappointed in Marvel giving him so much top billing or his fans that who never point their fingers at him.

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>>89786673
>instant classics that touch the hearts of modern audiences like Hellcat, Mockingbird, Mosaic and Moon Girl.

Doesn't a toyline comic outsell those?

>>89786845
Her costume isnt good but her comic actually is.
Pretty good character, shes actually pretty flawed and suffers a lot because she has trouble communicating with others

>>89785335
>Unironically says HUURR DURRR

What a fucking idiot.

>>89785601
Didn't he blame Mockingbird backlash on Rebirths empowered conservative readers?

>>89786876

I don't know why Slott is still on Spider-Man. His time is clearly up and they need an A list writer to bring some dignity back to the title

>>89787028
>Pretty good character
Your standards of a good character must be very low

>>89786912
>>89786955
Cucked? Butthurt? Why? I was making a logical point. Why do you people insist that all marvel books look like hellcat when it isn't true? Or more important why are you people so interested in discussing a company you know nothing about and dont read?
I dont think all marvel books are great, they have plenty of shit, i just dont think its all of it.

>>89787070
As long as he keeps selling, they have little reason to pull him off.

>>89787072
Why
Shes a defined kid character that is developing and is not constantly going in circles like kamala or Damian. Its weird seeing a female supeheroe that young acting like a bitch. Shes fun and original, everything that riri williams isn't.

>>89787050
He was pretty upset those damn MRAs didn't buy Mockingbird, yes.

>>89787122
As sales show, no one actually reads Moon Girl. People are just mad at how Marvel markets her ("Smartest character ever, smarter than all those smart white males you love")

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>>89787143
>>89787050
Forgot pic.

>>89787083
>someone defending numarvel
Because it is true, you cuckmongling dickfaggot
It must be some elaborate trolling. Nobody could be dumb this much.

>>89787103

Should Spider-Man really be selling so low? Flash is more popular right now

>>89787122
She's not fun, she's literally a replacement of legacy character, and she's boring

>>89787122

Riri really is the worst character I've ever seen. Does she have any flaws at all yet?

>>89787149
Her sales and marketing matter little to me, i like her book. I started reading before they marketed her as the smartest one there is (she didn't start like that) and shes a fine character.
>>89787189
Who is she replacing? Kirby's moon boy wasn't a legacy character.

>>89785335
>That video.

I'll save you all 13 minuets.

>REEEEE! STOP HATING THE NEW COMICS BECAUSE THEY ARE HELPING THE MUH MOVIES!

>>89787171
It's been lower.

>>89787222
God knows, why would anyone read bendis?

>>89787256
she replaces moon boy. she is called moon girl, in case you didn't notice. it's funny that marvel replaced a monkey with a black girl. congrats!

>>89787256
Well, you're probably going to be happy to know that the book is cancelled around issue 16.

>>89787169
Its not true, ultimates2, Daredevil, avengers or uncanny xmen are all different than hellcat to give an example.
You seem mad, how am i trolling? Im trying to generate discussion and you insist on talking shit about stuff you don't read.

>>89787322

They're different. But they're still all bad. Well Daredevil isn't "bad" but it sure as shit isn't good either

>>89787322
are all also crap, which you forgot to mention.
Ewing, Waid, Soule and Bunn are meh writers.
And only Avengers have good art.

You must be really dumb then.
I mean, defending current marvel is really retarded

>>89787298
Moon boy hasnt been in comics for years. I loved kirbys book (i actually read it) but it had nothing to do with lunella. They just share names, she's not her legacy.
>>89787319
Sauce? Lastest solicits still had her book and there was no anouncement.

>>89787374
>she's not her legacy.
really? I mean, she's a chimp

the latest solicits give a "final issue" vibe.

>>89787352
>>89787351
Anon had said that all marvel books had shit art like hellcat, i just pointed out that it wasn't true.
Writing is another matter. I like those books, but tastes are different.

>>89787392
Ill ignore that racist commentary.
Its the end of the arc, don't make shit up.

>>89787083
They are trolls that only shit on certain books to spread their autism.

Or the just don't read a lot of books.

Take Moon Knight, for example: some pretty neat art in there, putting the writing aside. Ans it's not even a house style.

Nova is pretty good to, even for a simple drawn art.

Occupy Avengers has some solid more in house art, but lol crappy tittle. So noone reads it.

My point is, even if you don't like less traditional looking comics, there are comics with nice art. And of course, you can also reado books with pretty good non house styled art. And they're usually fitting the tittle mood.

But trolls are going to troll.

>>89787421
>Anon had said that all marvel books had shit art like hellcat

>>89786604
>Behold! Marvel's masterpiece of art and storytelling

Stop embarrassing yourself further

>>89787439
Gonna deport your ass, Juanita.

ICE rolling down the street.

>>89787454
I always knew that marvelfags were humorless cunts, but it's nice to know how fragile they are

Someone makes fun, and the defense mode is instantly activated

>>89787522
You seem so sad

>>89787454
Exactly, thanks.
I guess expecting serious discussion outside of storytimes is stupid, nobody reads comics

>>89787560
Funny, that's exactly what I think about you.

>>89787603
The only stupid thing is you thinking that someone would treat you seriously, after defending current state of marvel. People who are not shills know that marvel is doing bad, REAL bad. Some of them want marvel to be good again, others enjoy taking shots at marvel. But neither of them would go to great lengths defending their company, they way you did, over funny picture

>>89787639
Why are you still talking about things you dont know
Look how you talk about "marvel" in general, you can't say anything particular because all you see are outrage pages posted on /co/. You are so filled with hate its getting boring.
I dont care about your general feelings about the company, i don't say its perfect, i just enjoy some books, like a lot of other people do. Get off 4chan for a while, read a little, calm yourself down.

>>89787522
Yeah, yeah. Whatever.

I wonder wheb are you trolls going to throw Image into your annoying pointless wars.

Still waiting.

>>89787716
Marvel in general is very decompressed 20 pages of adverts for movies or tv shows. The books are boring real boring. I'm not sorry that I triggered you, and I don't have to prove anything.

I used to be a massive X-fags, now I can't stand looking at the X-Men, after what marvel did to them with sterilization and Land's porn tracing art. Power Man & Iron Fist was a massive disappointment, and Kamala became stale and boring.

Again, I don't need to prove any cred. Maybe it's you who need to get off my lawn with your shitty attempt at defending this garbage

>>89787454

Occupy is getting Gabriel Hernandez Walta and it'll suck if he actually only gets to draw like 2 issues.

also Mike del Mundo is on the damn Avengers book if you want wild art

>>89787791
So much rage

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>>89787222
She's a nigger

>>89787818
So much shitpost
I'm done, you can keep moving the goalposts.
I'd rather be in a different thread

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>>89787163
Spencer is a hypocritical little bitch.

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>>89786977
>Amazon Best Sellers
>Publishers
>DC

Of course you'll have only DC there.

>>89785574
>Planet Hulk respecting the character in anyway shape or form

>>89787801
I know, and I'm actually looking forward Walta's art. But current artist is crazy good and prety standard looking, which was why I mentioned him.

I like Del Mundo too, but for some reasin I have some issues with his work in Avengers. Didn't have a problem withhis busy art in Weirdword, but I do now, sonehow. Maybe it's a bit too. But damn those colors... I could paint a wall in my house with those colors and shapes.

>>89787222
We're TOLD she's unsociable and severely introverted
but she has no problem at all making friends with other superheroes, if CWII and cross-overs are any indication.

>>89787284
Horrible comics are almost cathartic. I'm really enjoying Champions because it's so mind-numbingly fucking retarded.

>>89785335
>Are you looking forward to the possibility?
I am looking forward to hearing about the details before I can get excited or not. If it's going to be the same writers and editors making movie pitches and driving books towards the next even or movie-related tie in but with Steve and Tony then it won't be much of difference

>In an era where Marvel is actively pursuing a very vocal base that doesn't really buy comics

But they are buying comics, just not physically at comic book stores or physical single issues.

>>89785335
So you guys always post the same 5 twitter stuff from this guy. Now that he's been proven wring by he's own bosses, where are the twitts from him deluding himself about this decision?

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>>89786977
If you want to talk just about comics we have

1) Walking Dead
2) Siege
3) Complete Peanuts
4) Saga
5) 5 Minute Marvel Stories
6) Wonder Woman
7) Walking Dead
9) Batman Detective Comics
10) Nightwing

Don't try to defend Marvel or anything, just be correct about it

>>89788223
suuuuuuuuuuuuure they do

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>>89788254
>Nightwing
Everything's coming up Dick!

>>89785388
>nostalgia pandering
better than tumblr pandering

>>89786492
solid characterization? Going through my old X-Men digests the best period (John Byrne?) was when they dedicated a some space to just showing the characters interacting as people. Going shopping, hanging out, etc.
Gives the stories room to breathe and helps to establish characters as likable.

From a business stand-point, in this age of super heroes becoming increasingly popular and making tons of cash in theaters it's pretty stupid to try and get experimental with the comic books and not take advantage of the mainstream knowledge of the average person to further up your sales.

I'd like to make it clear I'm not saying full-MCU shilling is what they should do, nor to sacrifice writing and stories in order to keep synergy intact, but having familiar faces starring the main books should be a given. Like having Steve Rogers in Captain America, not Falcon, having Peter Parker in Spider-Man being Spider-Man not discount Tony Stark, give it solid creative teams and consistent writing and if there is change then do it in a form that feels organic within the story context, not just throw a literally who nigress and call her Iron Man for the sake of it.

>>89788776
>having Peter Parker in Spider-Man being Spider-Man not discount Tony Stark

Please, for the love of God.

>>89788369
I rather have tumblr pandering at least is new.

How are DC managing to price their comics a whole dollar cheaper than Marvel? I hope Marvel takes a lesson here, many people such as myself would increase our pull lists.

>>89789819
New =/= better.

>>89785335
I don't even know what that looks like for Marvel. DC'S rebirth is to change things Nu52 did. (Characters being completely different, backstories were changed, old stuff was either gone or non-existant.) Marvel didn't get rid of any of its old stuff, it just decided the old stuff wasn't P.C. or something. So bring back all the old guys isn't going to make it better. Also, Marvel's problem is their writing is trash and the events suck.

>>89785335
>sounds like a toddler with a deep voice
>likes Miles

In my humble opinion Marvel should reboot.

But rather than New 52 they should trickle their books out like Rebirth. Start with the pillars:

>Fantastic Four
>Spider-man
>X-Men

And maybe a few other books, perhaps Captain America but beginning with Cap's roots in World War II, then when they bring out Avengers a few weeks/months later they can have Cap unfrozen in Avengers.

Also, in my humble opinion they could do some race/gender swapping if they want too. Like is anyone really going to give a shit if Rogue (just picking names out of a hat) or Hawkeye or Hank Pym were Black/Latino/Asian? After all it's a rebooted universe so shit can be different.

The biggest thing they should remember is to NEVER, EVER, EVER do another Civil War.

>>89794463
Reboots create a bigger mess unless you're willing to throw out everything that ever happened previously and you make sure writers never attempt to bring it back in. It's simpler to just clean up what you have.

>>89785335
People are still going to see them as 100 percent SJW
Those bait images work strong

>>89794584
>unless you're willing to throw out everything that ever happened previously and you make sure writers never attempt to bring it back in.

Yes. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

>>89788254
>Siege
Out of everything, why Siege?

>>89785335
Just because I can mold my shit back into the shape it looked like when it was food, doesn't mean it'll taste remotely good.

>>89787163
Spencer also has the nerve to say Marvel treats their creators better than DC

So if this happens, how do Spencer and Bendis kill themselves?

>>89787914
How exactly did they improve nigger Wally?

>>89795433
He's actually pretty cool in Flash, which is a really comfy book

>>89785601
If you know Nick Spencer, then you know he meant it politically.

citation:
the /co/ archive for the past two months, should be a few threads poeting his obnoxious tweets for jimmie twisting.

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>>89786977
It's also on the New York Times Bestseller list, if anyone cares.

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>>89797819

>>89786341
This, for a fucking decade they assaulted their core audience and pandered to SJW cunts, they need to be broken before they can be rebuilt.

>>89795433
He's actually Kid Flash and not just some dumb kid taking up space in the Flash book. He's also pretty nice in Teen Titans.

>>89795016
Because it's the last one with the ACTUAL Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor.

Imagine that!

>>89785533
>>89785533
It's pandering if it's to please fucking nerds. Comics should be for everybody else.

>>89786673
nice bait, mate

>>89798704
It was actually "Original Sin".

>>89785335

Can Marvel really hang on until 2018? I can only imagine how terrible sales will be by then if nothing changes

>>89798478
>Marvel is all comics

>>89785751
Marvel has crashed the industry like twice now. Every time they do it things get worse. You really want to go for a third?

>>89798764
I'm not going to lie, I completely forgot about the Hulk-Iron Man thing.

>>89794584

Throwing out everything would be a death sentence. Comics as we know them will die eventually. Marvel has shown they cant bring in new readers so to provide fans such an obvious jump off point would be suicide

>>89786647
/pol/ is literally constantly in a triggered state

>>89798859

Oh I'm sure they are. But I'm on /co/ right now and all I see is you all shaking at the mere mention of them. They don't even need to come here anymore.

I'd say the whole world is in a constantly triggered state these days

>>89794463
>Fantastic Four
>X-men

Never going to happen. Movie rights.

You'll get Avengers and Inhumans.

>>89798938
>constantly shitpost everywhere
>wonder why everyone hates them

>>89798977

They aren't here now

>>89787298
holy shit that's racist. how is it that no sjw types are calling out marvel for that shit? because they made a little black girl out to be the smartest person on the planet because fuck white people? isaac perlmutter must be laughing his ass off at these fools

>>89799026
>>89795623

>>89799031

Because they don't know Moon Boy exists. They don't actually read Moon Girl. They just saw a picture of a little Black "Smarty Pants" and that was enough for them.

>>89787824
you tell 'em biclops!

>>89799093

That's not /pol/. That's an angry fan. /pol/ doesn't read comics enough to know who Bendis is. They get mad at random pages instead.

I /co/ and /pol/ had a good laugh at that Faith election issue though

>>89797819
>>89797849
what are these obscure scholastic books supposed to be?

>>89788254
This shit means nothing. Amazon's list updates hourly

>>89798859
if anything, i'd say /pol/ is a fucking party compared to this board. at least those kids know how to have a good time

>>89799140
so wait a second, you're telling me that the demographic marvel is pandering to don't read comics?

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>>89799419
Comics little girls read.
It's usually slice of life shit.

>>89799653
Ha, thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

>>89798942

I'm talking about I'd fix Marvel, not what Marvel is going to do.

>>89799553

It was fun watching Marvel crash. Now it's just sad

>>89786249
>Don't confuse media with your part time job.
and how about you don't confuse business with your part time hobby

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>>89785335
Surprised no one's posted any of those Marvel Rebirth covers. Guess I'll start.

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>>89800746
It would be her 20th anniversary in 2018.

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>>89800927
The funny thing about this one is that it's actually a lot like the Nova title we going on now. Even has the same writer.

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>>89800956
It'd be nice to see Wolfsbane in something new.

>>89800746
>>89800927
>>89800956

Oh hey It's this autist again

>>89800956
I was going to say this one came true, loving it

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>>89800970
Is Darkhawk still a teenager?

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>>89800972
I have a feeling I know who you're talking about. However I can tell you that I'm not that person. I didn't make these. I don't even completely agree with some of the choices made for these titles. And some I'm not even that interested in but I'm posting them because I want to see what other anons think.

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>>89800996
>>89801276
To be honest as much as I would love for pic related to happen, I think the chances of it happening will be even lower under Marvel's back to basics, meat and potatoes direction. Feels too out there. But hey can't have everything right?

I'm also not sure if I want Del Mundo doing the art.

>>89786345
>Pepsi
it was coke

>>89785335
>*pauses, cocks head*

Do autistic people have no self awareness or what?

>>89800746
>>89800927
>>89800956
>>89800970
>>89800996
>>89801276
>>89801492
Can someone post the template?

I looked up to see if Ultimate Wolverine was still dead.... I'm pretty fucking surprised they've kept such a major character dead.
How has this impacted the Ultimate Universe?

>>89802656
Just did some googling, holy fuck, 1610 Universe is dead? Why? Did Ultimate comic sales suck?

>>89802656
>>89802686
>Ultimate Wolverine
Jesus, man! Were you living in a basement or something?

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>>89785335
>2017
>Still reading the capshit slop from the Big 2 Jew

>>89802725
yeah pretty much

>>89802656
Ultimate kept alot of people dead. Only Beast and Green Goblin ever came back, and they ended up dying again in the very same issue or plotline related to them returning.

until they relaunch their actual line up of creators and not just put out new #1's, i have very little interest in what htey have planned

>>89802656
>>89802686
Wow you've been away for a LONG time.

>>89785335

My biggest concern is that while going back to the A listers will definitely increase sales its no guarantee of an increase in book quality. If they don't get netter creative teams with the right people on the right books we will still have the same shit we already have.

Also if the continue to unnecessarily relaunch every 8-9 months it will inevitably make this pointless.

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>>89788776
>>89789797
>people complained about spidey not being allowed to grow as a character so they decided to make him an inventor proper and later a CEO of his own tech company

>people complain about it

>people complained about OMD for a number of reasons so they decided to do a series where it never happened

>it sells like shit

so what exactly do spiderfags want?

>>89803001
>decided to make him an inventor proper and later a CEO of his own tech company

What people don't like about this is the later half of it isn't done by Peter.

Ock decides to open Parker Industries which Peter then just has to deal with when he comes back. Parker Industries then becomes this massive company in the post secret wars 8 month time skip.

We completely miss peter building the company up and even then Parker Industries being that big feels wrong its like hes become a knock off Tony Stark.

Ideally we would have seen Peter start it as his own small company and struggle to grow it over years eventually making it a successful business he runs in New York that's able to give opportunities to younger people who are like him when he was a teenager/young.

>>89785335
I was waiting for something like this. I'm ready to jump into Marvel comics again IF they can stay a year or two without an event, OR if said event won't affect the comic, AND if they bring some good writer on board.

>>89803001
Someone other than Slott.

>>89803001
>>people complained about OMD for a number of reasons so they decided to do a series where it never happened
>it sells like shit
>series outside main universe sells like shit

WOAH STOP THE FUCKING PRESS!

>>89785335
It isn't even just capes.

Look at the big sellers for Image and how nearly every pitch had a female lead.

How many of those series are still around?

It's just trying to find the new trend even if it happens to be recycling some older vibes.

>>89803055
>We completely miss peter building the company up

Wouldn't really add much, and it wouldn't be anything you didn't already see when they were trying to win the bidding war against Alchemax over the prison system.

>its like hes become a knock off Tony Stark.

That's intentional.

>>89803126
>IF they can stay a year or two without an event
I'll fucking say.
I hate getting invested in something, then 6 or so issues in I'm expected to buy 3 copies of this, 2 of that, 4 of those AND THEN the event itself only to have the following issues of what I was interested in be nothing like how it started.

Last thing I bought was Spider-Man 2099 before Spider-Verse.
I should have seen it coming, though.

>>89786733
Cry more

>>89785335
They're just going to backtrack from selling over priced, badly written books propped up with in-your-face gender and racial diversity to selling over priced, badly written books propped up with "heroes" fighting each other constantly and cheap character deaths.

The politics were never REALLY the problem. The problem was that they couldn't get their point across without devoting half their page space to massive speech bubbles packed to the gills with Deviant Art tier preaching. Politics doesn't turn readers off as long as it feels like the writer is asking a question instead of standing on a soapbox and yelling into a megaphone pointed at your fucking face.

>>89785533
except the people they pander to aren't buying their products, just the people who complain the loudest on social media

I feel like there needs to be a villain who comes in and just straight up wrecks the Marvel universe such that the heroes have to actually fight someone other than themselves. Then you can reboot by having the heroes trying to rebuild shit while the villains have been emboldened and continue to wreck shit.

Like, I can't remember the last time I saw /co/ talking about any villain that actually did shit. Do they even still exist in the Marvel universe?

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>>89803001
>>people complained about spidey not being allowed to grow as a character so they decided to make him an inventor proper and later a CEO of his own tech company

Okay, fuck off, CEO-Peter Parker isn't growing as a character at all. People said post OMD Peter was terrible, which is true, he stopped acting responsibly in favor of a play boy type attitude. He was a man child, BUT, he at least had to worry about finances, which gave him some sort of accountability. Now Spider-Man doesn't even have that. Seriously, pick up an issue of CEO Spider-Man, I shit you not he acts just like Chris Chan. The sheer idea that because someone is making more money than they use to makes them more responsible is outrages. Peter doesn't even act like Peter anymore. He has a private jet, /loves/ traveling the world and socializing, and casually makes comments about how street level heroics is beneath him now. It's a character assassination. Just bring back pre-OMD Peter. Not dirt poor, but well off. With a wife, not some corny super powered wife bullshit that completely destroys the purpose of the relationship in the first place. And more importantly, he was responsible and held himself accountable to the work he had to do, not blowing off important meetings to play fucking baseball.

>>89806367
100% right, not even autistic, its just logic and right, i hate what they are doing with spiderman, he'd be better off not used than used like he is now

>>89785335
>Let's talk about the rumored back-to-basics relaunch of Marvel.
Sure.
>Are you looking forward to the possibility?
Ah-heh. No. We're still stuck with a hideous dearth of talent and that'll still be true even if they bring back the white guys.
>What are your hopes should the rumor be true?
Something actually similar to Rebirth and the current Nova run: bringing back the core of the characters while not dropping the newer elements that are actually liked.
Miles Morales being given to someone other than Bendis and made interesting. Robbie Thompson, ideally.
Carol Danvers getting a decent character story that isn't ruined by editorial meddling.
Monica Rambeau leading the Avengers.
And, more generally, refocusing on what people like about the characters and series while bringing something different to the table; a "something old something new" approach, if you will.
Also, Max Bemis on Deadpool.

Main hope is that Marvel completely gives up and Miles and kills him off. Waste of a character.

>>89785335
>*pauses, cocks head*
This way of talking is so fucking cringeworthy.

>>89798720

Same way they tried to move away from their core demo and got 0 sales for it with all those new and progressive titles? Who are you lying too? besides yourself.

>>89806367
>He has a private jet,
Let's be honest, he bought that shit the second he could afford it to help him forget the Spider-buggy
>/loves/ traveling the world and socializing
And how is that in any way not Peter? Would you prefer it be the multiverse?

>and casually makes comments about how street level heroics is beneath him now.
To be fair they always completely were, but I will admit that doesn't sound like him except when he's pissed.

>>89807009
>to help him forget the Spider-buggy

That's back too. Slott forgot the memo that it was originally meant to be a satire.

>Would you prefer it be the multiverse?

I'd rather him not be a James Bond esque character who travels the world. Hell, Peter's powers et is designed with New York in mind.

>To be fair they always completely were,

Not the point. Peter has never held himself at a standard of being better than the common man (except during puberty). No job is "too small" for Spider-Man.

>>89798720
>It's pandering if it's to please fucking nerds. Comics should be for everybody else.

It's pandering if it's to please the car enthusiasts. Cars should be for the people on the train.

It's pandering if it's to please watch wearers. Time pieces should be for people who tell the time of day by the position of the sun.

It's pandering if it's for lovers of print. Books should be for the illiterate who need to prop up uneven tables.

In summation: you're a fucking a moron.

>>89785533
Missing the last part anon, paying. These people DONT BUY SHIT!

>>89785601
Yes he did. To Nick anything that is regressive (politically motivated Social Justice Retard Faggot Shit) is "Conservative". For those of us who are not retarded faggots, we don't believe anything that happened pre Obama was shit. Its possible that comics were great when they only had four colors.

>>89786492
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby style comics. That's their "basics". Marvel is limited because of how mono form their house style was up until 1997. The few unique runs they have prior to that, Claremont X-men and Miller Daredevil, are the exception than the rule.

>>89785335
>In an era where Marvel is actively pursuing a very vocal base that doesn't really buy comics
This is my favorite meme when Marvel is still selling well. I'd like a back to basics approach but don't make this some "muh SJWs" bullshit.

>>89800956
It'd be better if they just got rid of Sam.

>>89808258
>still selling well
Possibly not, but we don't have any real confirmation other than anecdote that they're inflating their numbers by overshipping a good chunk of the books.

>>89808411
And Kamala, and Miles.

>>89806988
>omg cring CRIIIIINGE GUYS IM CRINGING SO HARD xDDD
People have been emoting with asterisks since before you were born, Redditeer. Don't expect everyone to stop just because it's passé on the Four Chans.

>>89808634
Marvel just needs to do a clean sweep, Miles dies, Sam dies, Kamala gets depowered somehow and fades into irrelevance, Cho gets depowered and does whatever the fuck, X-Men babies die from the Death Cloud since I heard they can't be sent back to their own time, Peter's company gets shut down for some reason, Riri becomes irrelevant and fucks off, Jane's cancer finally kills her.

>>89795016
Its fun as shit.

No complicated plots or people acting out of character

Just good old fasion heros vs villans super brawl

>>89802742
Can I get a quick rundown on these guys?

>>89799140
>Moon Boy
for all i know

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>>89808755
If the rumors are true, most of them will be dead soon, but there's no way Miles is leaving.
I would like to see how they plan on doing it. Killing them individually in the solo titles as they're handed back to the original or all once in another event.

>>89813035
What do the rumors say? Who's being killed off?

>>89813121
One of the circulating rumors is that Marvel wants to stop using legacy characters and go back to having the original iterations of the characters star in their own books. There's another rumor going around about Marvel wanting to bring back some A-list talent.
We still don't know if that's true or not, but a lot of people are really hoping it is.

>>89794463
>In my humble opinion Marvel should reboot.

No they shouldn't because it'll most likely make things worse and alienate more fans like New 52 did.

>Also, in my humble opinion they could do some race/gender swapping if they want too. Like is anyone really going to give a shit if Rogue (just picking names out of a hat) or Hawkeye or Hank Pym were Black/Latino/Asian? After all it's a rebooted universe so shit can be different.

Fuck you. It's people like you who thought making Wally West a black kid in the New 52 was a good idea. And yeah I know he's not that bad now but only because original white Wally is back.

>>89794654
>>unless you're willing to throw out everything that ever happened previously and you make sure writers never attempt to bring it back in.
>Yes. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

"Here's this new shit for you. Oh you don't like it? You want the old stuff you liked back? Well too bad bitch just accept what we're giving you, because that old stuff is gone and its never coming back."


I am glad you don't have a position of power at Marvel. Because if you did and went through with this shit, you would make things even worse than they are now.

>>89812812
The absolute MAD MAN!

>>89812812
Thanks.

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>>89785388
>and the fact that I like that scares me.

>>89786345

It was the Mid 80s and it was Coca-Cola. if you're going to pretend to be older than 16 at least lookup the basic facts.

>>89813243
>make things worse and alienate more fans like New 52 did
Nice maymay, bro.

>>89808078
I think he was talking about Rebirth "pandering" to people who actually buy comics.

>>89806115
I understand why Kang hasn't done shit lately. This era of Marvel would be pointless to test his mettle against.

>>89785712
Only a sith deals in absolutes.

>>89806367
>and casually makes comments about how street level heroics is beneath him now.

What the fuck. I guess I made the right choice avoiding ASM for the most part once Spider-Verse turned out to be such a shitshow.

>>89813035
They all die with Jane. Mjolnir goes out of control when she finally dies of cancer in the middle of a fight