Did Korra ruin Avatar?

>>89738590
We'll it certainly ended avatar.

>>89738590
You're probably retarded if you think something good can be retroactively ruined by a separate, bad, thing.

>>89738616
this is true though

>>89738685
it definitely destroyed its legacy

>>89738590
Korra got aang's spirt erased so kinda

>>89738590

Egh, things started going downhill about season three anyway.

>>89739193
Sozin's Comet was amazing

>>89738763

I'll admit that knowing where Korra and the comics go makes me enjoy Avatar slightly less, but it doesn't make it a fundamentally worse show in any respect

>>89738590
She was cute tho

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>>89738590
ATLA Book 3 was a mess and I still don't think the Lion Turtle and Magical Dick Rock were good resolutions to Aang's problems

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Yes.

>>89738590
It single handily killed the chance of us getting another avatar series. what do you think

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>>89738590
Korra obviously wasn't perfect. There were pacing issues and executive meddling from day one.

But the original and its deus ex machina ending weren't perfect either. Neither ruined the franchise.

>>89738590
Does a loud brown lesbian screeching "I'M SPECIAL" in your face ruin your mood?

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>>89741936
Asami pls go and stay go

>>89741936
only if the writing's bad

>>89738590
no fuck off you fuck

>>89741786
no nick did that

>>89738590
The first series is still great. Korra just killed it off and made it so we'll never see another show again.

>>89741991
season 4 of Korra sucks so much because of how great season 3 was. Zaheer and the Red Lotus were fantastic. The lesbian cop out was not.

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>>89738590
Im happy to remember ATLA as its own entity separet from Korra. But ya it burried the series by the end.

Also while the Wan episodes where the highlight of season 2 I really hated how they added in Ravaa to the Avatar cycle, fucking light dark bullshit in a show about balance

>>89738590

No.

The creators did that if anyone is to blame.

Korra's just the gun.

you korra haters are some of the most retarded people ever

>>89742169
No one went into Korra wanting to hate it. I gave it every benefit of the doubt but it still disappointed me.

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>>89741936
Honestly the contrast between Korra and Aang initially really drew me into the series, it was clear they didnt want to tread old ground. So having this cock sure fuck up Avatar was an interesting change of pace from Humble peace and love Spirit Kid.

Shame they did fuck all with it, expected the audience to keep throwing roses at her feet when she continually fucks up with little to no consequence, and the grand result of her series long character arc was a Talk no Jutsu

>>89741936

No, but I'll admit their emotional bonding consisting only of a single letter kinda did.

They didn't pull a Sailor Moon, or a Bert and Ernie, or any other sneaky implied relationship trope. They just kinda said 'this is it now'.

>Yeah, we were very afraid that Nick would do terrible things to us if we were more honest about it
>Like move our show online
>Put it on a death slot
>Not advertise our series
>Reduce our budget
>Cheap out of a series agreement
>Oh wait...

And strictly speaking no. Nothing ruined avatar for me. Korra was just had an immense amount of wasted potential, with poor character consistency plaguing korra, a lack of prioritisation on interesting plot threads affecting the writing, EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN SEASON 2 GODDAMN, Why is tenzin unable to spirit walk, why was avatar aang displayed as being a crappy father when no justification was given for it (I refuse to believe he didn't teach his other kids airbending culture, let alone ditch them when going on holiday), and why is Jinora a walking deus ex machina.

>>89742238

That being said, I do still enjoy it, just not as much as the original series, simply because the show can be summed up as wasted potential and backroom fiascos.

>>89742169
Nobody was more hyped about Korra than me. Avatar with a hot-headed female protagonist, living in the age of radios and diesel cars? No way they can fuck it up, I've thought.
Well, I was wrong.

>>89742273
>female protagonist
The signs were all right there anon. Sorry you didnt catch it.

>>89742308
I'm sorry no women ever loved you, anon.

>>89742324
he's right you know

>>89742134

Korra sucked ass so much it was losing ratings, and Nick didn't want to waste money on it any more. The fault is all on the Korra team.

>>89742324
That has nothing to do with it even if true.

>>89742466
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pathetic fucking thread

>>89742169
Korra bled viewers like a stuck pig, the writing was a special kind of bad that both repelled children, fans of the original and people that just wanted a good action show. It was a bad soap opera in animated form filled with unlikeable characters nobody wants to watch. Same with Thundercats reboot and Young Justice.

>>89742238
Korrasami fans are adamant that it was multiple letters even though Asami said she specifically read Korra's singular letter that she sent. They could have, at the very least, made it multiple letters instead of just one.

Anyway to answer OP's question, no, I don't think Korra ruined Avatar. There were a few things they did that I liked and things I disliked. I think if Nick were to announce a new series tomorrow people would still turn up to watch it.

>>89738590
M. Night still intends to direct and produce TLAS 2, despite it being 7 years since the first one was released and child actors are no longer children. He will be the final nail to this coffin.

>>89738590
ATLA is still one of if not the best animated series of all time (seriously, the only shows that come close off the top of my head are Samurai Jack and Batman The Animated Series. Avatar manages to do what they did, combined with a long form serialized storyline with worldbuilding and character development that makes Steven Universe look like Teen Titans Go).

And honestly Korra's failure even then was still only half the fault of the writers. The show was shitty, but it still got screwed by Nickelodeon, which in turn made the show shittier. If they were able to go into the project knowing that it would be a 4 season affair, we would have likely had a more coherent and cohesive story overall.

>>89742576
holy shit you sound like a bitch

>>89742634
Unless Nick lets him that's not going to happen.

>>89742576
This, though i didnt see those last two series so i cant say.

>>89738590
you know what pisses me off about korra?
i could see her fucking up for being too much of a hothead but instead every single time she ruins things by being too incompetent instead
thats the worst trait you can give to a main character

wow you guys sound so fucking stupid

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>tfw i'm gonna read the comics because i want to see two girls kissing

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>>89742576
> Young Justice was bad
I don't know where you came from, but you have to go back.

>>89742779
>www.pornhub.com

No but beginnings did damage the lore a little bit. Book 2 would have been much better without the magic kites and the "hurr turtle magic" origins of bending but I liked all the stuff about Aang being a shitty father and the conflict with his kids.

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>that one autist who said growing up was trope

>>89738590
To the contrary, Legend of Korra is simply the manifestation of what happens when the creators have complete creative control over their project. DiMartino and Konietzko were the writers for the first season, and the writing quality of season one speaks for itself.

It is not an exaggeration to say DiMartino and Konietzko really are the George Lucas of Western animation. They thought so highly of themselves, they presumed they were able to write an entire season of their sequel series without outside help.

Legend Korra did not ruin Avatar. If anything, it is the pure product of its creators. Legend of Korra is the creator's vision unhindered by the contributions of external meddling.

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>>89743146
> George Lucas of Western animation
Oh my god.

>>89742466
>The fault is all on the Korra team
And Nick barely advertising it, moving the time slots a bunch of times, etc.

Korra was shit, but you can't ignore the executive meddling.

>>89743146
At least the SW prequels had some funny moments, even if it was mostly unintentional. Korra didn't have the subpar acting, awkward dialogue, or, at the very least, a Palpatine-like character to make it watchable as a film, even just to laugh at it as example.

All I watched was a lot of great ideas poorly executed. And it annoys me today how amazing Korra could have been if someone spoke out and told Bryke the truth. It's strange seeing a show with great music, animation, and history be so mediocre.

Star wars prequels each had different villian because Lucas scrapped the over arching villian he originally planned.
Where as korra'so villian were to demonstrate perversions of noble goals.

>>89742169
I don't hate Korra, I'm just disappointed.

>>89739228
Sozin's comet wads a let down

Far better than most animated finales, or tv show finales period, but also a great letdown.

>>89738590
did they know they were gonna get more than one season
it just seemed like every season was super rushed for a conclusion
while with the last airbender its just one cohesive plotline the whole way through, like they knew they were gonna have three seasons from the start

>>89744899

It was originally a one season miniseries, which is why Aang solves all the problems at the end of Book 1. They they got Book 2, which was supposed to be the last one. That's why they crammed Wan in there and upped the stakes to avatar Satan. Midway through, they got confirmed for 3 & 4, which is why those are connected.

>>89738616
This.

Korra is a lesson to be learned. They had great ideas but they failed to mend them together, making a great series become a good trainwreck.

They tried to make the ideas flow like the first one, but the first avatar didn't had anything that needs to connect the story they were telling, they were free to pursue the past and everything else without the need to resolve things. They had one quest: Defeat the Lord of Fire. Everyone knew that the series would end when he did that, until then they were free to talk about magical meteors, inhuman tribesman all other bullshitery.

Korra didn't have a goal or clear destination, it tried to tell 10 stories at the same time and didn't get even one right.

>>89738590
the movie

Korra was just shitting on the corpse

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>>89743966
Where was their conviction from the AtLA age? They were in this same predicament with only getting 12 or so episodes in Book One of AtLA, and said fuck it, we're doing a long story and we don't give a shit if you cancel or don't renew us. if Korra had been an arc through all the seasons, had at least Aaron Ehasz to help guide them, Korra no doubt in my mind would be equal or better than AtLA, due to the enhanced soundtrack, better fight scenes, and nicer animation.

How the fuck do they screw that up?

>>89746015
But they didn't WANT to do a long story with Korra, they just ended up doing it because they kept getting renewed.

>>89743146
>>89743407
The PT is much better than the OT though.
20% worse execution of an infinitely more interesting plot.

>>89742892
First season was... Alright. In a YA dystopia novel sort of way. Season 2 just sucked balls with all the alien billshit and the weird time skip.

>>89738616
>/thread/
now sage

>>89745463
>it tried to tell 10 stories at the same time and didn't get even one right.
Credit where credit's due, it got one or two right.

Tenzin was pretty good as a character.

>>89746185
No they did, they thought they were only getting the limited episodes season so they cut it into mini arcs. Once they found out they were getting more seasons they still did mini arcs until Season 3 to beginning of 4. The question is what if they just did arcs and played hard on Nick for more episodes, not what they did.

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>>89738590
Yes, yes it did.

I dont like how each season in the series could have been a plot line for the show, especially the first season

>>89742141
> Fucking light dark bullshit in a show about balance

This.

I would've loved to see an Avatar absorb Vaatu and actually follow the theme of balance and ACTUALLY follow what the last show was about.

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Forgot to crop webm

>>89746454
Where did they say that? I'd be embarrassed if they planned it ahead and DARK AVATAR is what they came up with. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised at Byrke being shitty.

>>89746759
I think you misinterpreted my reply. I'm saying they went for mini arcs instead of a single arc, which is why they fucked up as they were in this same predicament for AtLA.

>Show was big with young boys
>Make all the characters old ladies

>>89743146
You hit the nail on the head.

Hell, check out the credits for an average Avatar episode compared to Korra. You'll notice there are like 8 or so writers and people dealing with directing and shit like that for an Avatar episode usually. Do you know how many people usually worked on Korra? 3. Mike, Bryan and maybe one or two other guys who were basically yes men.

Bryke are good idea guys, but when it comes to flat out writing without a leash, like Lucas, they suck ass.

>>89738616
Fuck you that's depressing.

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>>89738616
well shit. you're right though
>>89738590
No Korra ruined Korra. Its easy for me to see the last Air Bender as its own series when I watch it but Korra as a continuation when I watch Korra.
>>89742169
I wish I could love Korra, I really do.
>>89745463
This
>>89746435
I like Tenzin too anon. Its a shame, if he had other good characters to bounce off of he'd probably be GOAT in the avatar verse.

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>>89747212
At least most of them were waifu material.
Lin a best.

>>89749374
Lin and Pema should have been a composite character to improve the story.

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>People talk about how Avatar Wan is the silver lining of this series
>turns out it's actually one of the worst parts of the series

What did they mean by this?

>>89738590
kataang ruin avatar

Korra was better than Airbender you retards.

>>89749119
>Bryke are good idea guys,
No, no they are not. LoK shows that they are terrible writers and also terrible idea guys.

>>89746754
>I would've loved to see an Avatar absorb Vaatu and actually follow the theme of balance and ACTUALLY follow what the last show was about.
Korra sort of did that without Vaatu by getting involved in things in the first place. If chaos and destruction and evil are needed to oppose harmony and order and good times for all, that did happen.

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>>89738590
>Did Other M ruin Metroid?
Yes OP.

>"But Prime trilogy sucked to-

>>89750051
The romance in ATLA sucked period. It was even worse in Korra somehow.

The Legend of Korra absolutely ruined the Avatar canon and it's existence is a mistake

>>89738590
No, it just didn't have a clear trajectory. Avatar followed the three-act Joseph Campbell structure that was really satisfying.

Korra was like, well, where does the story go after that? And it certainly went in some interesting and bold directions but wasn't wholeheartedly satisfying the way Avatar was.

>>89750526
>Korra
>anyways as bad as THE BABY
LOL

>>89738590
Nah, they're different enough and not a direct continuation anyway. If Korra bothers you, you can just ignore it and nothing changes in Atla.

>>89742134
no bryke did that

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>>89741738
Nuktuk was hot

>>89738590
It wasn't alone. The horrible movie and shit-tier comics definitely helped poison the franchise. Korra was just the finishing blow.

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>>89749374
Agreed

>>89750051
>salty zutara shipper

>>89742233
And a bad Talk no Jutsu to boot, like it wasn't even a well done one either.

>>89750690
You know for a second when I read this I was genuinely wondering what movie your were talking about. Thanks for making me remember that fucking abomination.

>>89742169
Didn't live up to the hype. Didn't live up to the standard set by ATLA. Disappointing as fuck.

>>89742616
Korrasami fans are retarded and will try anything to justify their ship. Remember the cut scene from book 1 that got released recently? The one where they talk for about 5 seconds, yeah that was a Korrasami moment now, even though it was book 1 and Asami and Korra both wanted Makos dick.

Or the compilation of Korrasami moments, which is just every scene they're both in.

>>89738590
It's been close to 10 years since I watched ATLA. I'm rewatching the series with my little siblings, and man am I giddy reliving book 1. What a great show.

My 7-year-old sister kept feeling bad for Zuko to the point that she's on the verge of tears haha. Her favorite character is Aang though.

I'm glad I never got into Korra, was a big fan of the original series but when I watched the premiere for Korra when it came out I was already feeling like it wasn't going to be my thing so I dropped it immediately.

The way people talk about it, I'm glad I did. No ruining the original for me.

>>89750051
The way their relationship was handled in book 3 was unbelievably sloppy.

>Aang straight up lies to Katara in the Runaway, and are depicted as having a mother/son dynamic.
>Aang kisses Katara on the Day of Black Sun and is ignored right up until the finale
>Aang arrogantly assumes they'll be together forever despite no hints from Katara that she was romantically interested. Comes across as childish infatuation.
>Katara is mad at Aang that he is unable to understand her in The Southern Raiders.
>Katara expresses her confusion at their relationship, to which Aang just kisses her with complete lack of regard to her feelings once again.
>Aang is mad that Katara doesn't understand his position in the finale.
>All of a sudden Katara 180s and kisses him at the very end with absolutely no explanation.

I'm not saying Kataang couldn't have worked, but man it was handled horribly.

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>>89749581
>Lin and Pema should have been a composite character to improve the story.
And by composite, you mean threeway, right?

>>89750547
na you and the stupid fucks are mad that your head canon got BTFO

>>89751068
Michael stop shitposting.

>>89751094
epic meme bro

>>89750861
Keep it that way, anon.
It's really not worth it.

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>>89749825
I feel like people were just happy to get a break from Korra as the main character for a bit and that's why the Wan episodes are massively overrated

when really the Wan episodes are not much better than the rest of season 2, seriously mess with the lore, and Wan is arguably a bigger fuckup than Korra

>>89751167
>seriously mess with the lore
what lore

>>89751167
And yet Wan went through more development as a character in a mere 2 episodes than Korra did in 4 entire seasons.

The fan base ruined avatar

>>89742139
>cop out
what does that even mean in this context? how is that a cop out? what were they copping out from?

>>89751199
It seems like more because it's a standard "person starts to look at a larger picture" perspective while also completely changing Wan's character.

They stretched out the measly amount that Korra did across the four seasons and reset her accordingly with each new season to allow for things to happen according to the plot in their heads.

>>89751167
the Wan story :
was uniquely animated
was a satisfying and sensible origin story
provided depth to the lore
gave the name "Avatar" actual meaning and purpose
Lowered the Avatar's main character powers
Felt like a bedtime story/one of Aesop's fables.

What's not to like?

>>89751191
You got to take the good with the bad because that's life changes to good light tapeworm versus bad dark tapeworm and if the bad dark tapeworm is around then everyone is having a bad day.

Also all you had to do was go visit a lion turtle and they'd instantly open your ability to control an element even if you were not in alignment with that bending mindset.

And within its own season showing that bending doesn't work against spirits as they shrug it off, even Avatar State powered hits, but then saying that bending was a gift given to use against the spirits.

There's other things that are not necessarily lore messing but just plain terrible.

>>89751316
>what were they copping out from?
From having a shit ending.
As long as you say there's something "progressive", people will defend it for years to come.
Just look at all the people who think Korra was anything better than mediocre and get visibly mad about anyone saying anything different.

>>89743407
Lightningbending was fine and Milo's comedy was in the same vein as Avatar. The rest is on the nose.

>>89751397
>gave the name "Avatar" actual meaning and purpose
Character is the Avatar works without the backstory. Person is the Avatar of this world who is the bridge between spirits and humans and ensures the harmony among all is meaning and purpose without the need for an origin story.

>lowered the Avatar's main character powers
What does that mean?

Aesop's fables don't really have a continuation. A fable would be Wan letting Vaatu go and the world plunging into darkness and the take away would be to look before you leap or to get both sides of the argument. Instead you have someone make a mistake and then decide to go further and be a peace officer or sorts.

And it loses on the satisfaction because of what it is connected to. If it wasn't tied into Korra's season then it would just be a downstep from Aang's part of the series. But seeing as how it gives things a good versus evil mindset it lessens the whole work as it plays a key role in the conclusion of season 2 and then Raava never has input on anything again.

>>89751167
The Wan episodes were terrible. Wan was an unlikable shit, the spirit world was lame, the origin story was lame, the portals were dumb (You can just walk there now?) and the themes were incompatible with the rest of the entire series.

>>89751501
>Lightningbending was fine and Milo's comedy was in the same vein as Avatar. The rest is on the nose.

Everyone can have a lightsaber now with modern technology to have the special effect more often. Lightning isn't used all that often but someone has it on them and situations would be resolved if they did use it.
If anything the lightning is even worse than all the lightsabers everywhere in the prequels as having lightsabers doesn't guarantee you an advantage in the various conflicts in Star Wars. Being able to manipulate lightning resolves things the moment it is used unless the opponent can redirect it.

The toilet humor was something all characters could get involved in or have happen to them in AtLA.
In LoK a character's sole purpose in the show was to fart and be the youngest sibling able to talk in a family where all the emphasis went to the eldest daughter. Milo was strictly comedy relief with no other qualities, he wasn't even the key to all this.

>>89738590
Yup. Make your own epilogue after watching ATLA. It's guaranteed to be better than TLOK

>>89751501
Milo would have been better with his toilet humor toned down. And if he was less obviously ugly. Should have had his later season design with the hair from the start.

>>89751623
Or just not have him that way the pressure of passing down airbending culture is on Tenzin teaching Jinora.
And then have them in conflict in a father and daughter way, coupled with an idea of "does not having bending mean the culture is no more?" to make it so how the air acolytes end up meaning nothing doesn't happen. Work with the materials you have and not just bloat it with characters who serve no purpose other than fluff.

But the Koreans like their toilet humor.

>>89751527
Before the Wan episodes, The term Avatar didn't mean much. It was just the name for the special person in the world who could bend all four elements. What is he/she an avatar of? After Wan, we learn that the Avatar is a literal avatar of the spirit of light. It wasn't needed, but it was still great.

>lowered the Avatar's main character powers
So previously, the avatar state was sort of the win button for all the fights. Aang couldn't go in to the Avatar state at will because if he could, there would be no tension in any of the conflict. Korra couldn't do it until the beginning of season 2. So, by showing us the origin of the Avatar, and giving more backstory on the avatar state, we learn that it is more than just cosmic energy, super strong bending powers mumbo jumbo. It's the energy and power of one of the great spirits amplifying the Avatar's bending. In the Wan episodes, we learn that the great spirit can be destroyed, sort of. This tells us that the Avatar state is not as all powerful as we previously thought, and that there is comparable power that could defeat it. This comes into play later when Raava is ripped out of Korra and destroyed.

I didn't mean to say the origin story was a fable. I just meant that it had elements of fairytale-like story telling.

>lessens the whole work
that's just subjective, I can't make you not think that. I thought it gave the world more depth and intrigue.
>Raava never has input on anything again
thats a legitimate point. Weird for her to be silent, especially with Korra losing her past lives.

>>89751557
>unlikable shit
and then he grew into a respectable character
>Things were lame
hardly an argument, I think they were cool
>you can just walk there now?
you could always have walked there, but the portals were closed. Aang only ever entered the spirit world in a spiritual form, hence why he could never bend. It makes sense.
>themes incompatible with the rest of the series
Uh, what? Good vs bad? Opposing forces that can't exist without each other? Humans have the responsibility to fight for peace? These are all themes that A:TLA introduced. how are they incompatible?

>>89751590
TLOK is not an epilogue for TLA. Even if there weren't comics that serve as the Epilogue for TLA, Korra would still be something else entirely.

>>89738590
No

>>89742779
Y'know there's plenty of porn featuring the two fucking. There's also legit lesbian porn

>>89751830
I can only get an erection from canonical representations

>>89751765
Sequel then. Or just pretend Voltron LD is the real follow-up

>>89750873
Aang/ Toph would of been 10/10.

>>89738590
Yes. Because they were forced to put lesbians in Avatar. Autism is real. Fuck you McKellen and your nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

>>89751477
Rather the opposite as for as long as they say there is something progressive, there will always be normies attacking it for years to come

>>89751749
>and then he grew into a respectable character
Not for me he didn't. He's very arrogant and self-important, even when he almost brings the world into utter chaos, and I never got the sense he had changed much.

>hardly an argument, I think they were cool
The spirit world lost its mythical quality. Everything became overly simplified with the lion turtles being the origins of all bending power, and the origin of the Avatar was something that never needed to be explained to begin with - a mythical hero who existed to keep balance in the world, that was always cool enough for me. The spirit portals detract from what the mythical quality also. In the original it was presented as if on a parallel plane, that could only be reached by a select few spiritually enlightened individuals. As somewhere mysterious and dangerous even. Now it just feels like an extension of the physical world.

>you could always have walked there, but the portals were closed.
Just lol if you think they had this planned in the original series. It's a close to a retcon you can get without technically being a retcon.

>Opposing forces that can't exist without each other?
Except that the necessity of Vaatu is never explained. The way it is presented the world would be a whole lot better if he was just destroyed completely. It completely contradicts the theme of balance. Also, if they equally rely on each other to exist, why is only Raava negatively affected when they get separated? It doesn't make sense.

>>89751963
This. I mean, their kids might have come out worse, but as a couple, man that could've been fun and sweet

>>89741262
I want to lick her desu familiams

>>89752055
Judging from Vaatu's dialogue, the spirit world used to be a separate plane, but he broke through the plane and connected the two. The spirit world WAS somewhere that only the spiritually enlightened could access, until Korra changed that.

>Just lol if you think they had this planned in the original series
I never said they had it planned, they created more details and rules for something that previously had not been explained. They didn't change anything to make the origin story work.
that's not even close to retconning. Also, the world of TLA talked about Tui and La deciding to live in the physical world rather than the spiritual one, so clearly there was some forethought about moving between the worlds physically.

Raava is negatively affected when they are separated because Vaatu feeds on aggression and destruction. Without Raava holding him back, Vaatu grows due to the conflict between humans and spirits, a conflict he created. His necessity is not explained well, true. But, the point of the story is to show how the avatar came to be the one in charge of the balance of the world. Wan threw the world out of balance, and then tried to fix it. He does this by replacing the forces of good and evil in the world with himself. He is now the one who fights for peace. It is inherently contradictory. Before, balance came from Vaatu and Raava being unable to defeat one another, but that age is over. Now the age of the Avatar begins. The Avatar decides what is and isn't "balanced" in the world, and because the Avatar is human, he can be wrong. It's almost anti-theistic, saying that the gods are irrelevant now. Man gets to decide his own way, and he can live by it or fail by it.

>>89738590
ATLA still exists and it's still awesome, so no.

I don't even consider Korra to be canon since Aaron Ehasz didn't work on it.

>>89752393
you sound like a bitch

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>>89751446
holy shit you are fucked in the head

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>>89742169
"Eats shit"
>Fantastic, I don't get the hate
"Eats shit"
*makes a fool of himself in disgust*
Its really hard to tell who's wrong.

>>89752277
>They didn't change anything to make the origin story work.

For me it doesn't fit well with the original series. I understand they didn't technically change anything, but the ability to just walk to the spirit world just feels... wrong. Consider the original series how they had to wait for the solstices or meditate in a highly spiritual place, unlocking chakras etc.. It was if the spirit world was inextricably linked to the physical world by some cosmic force, not some place you could physically go to. That's why I call it a retcon without technically being a retcon.

>Vaatu grows due to the conflict between humans and spirits, a conflict he created.

Raava shrivels up the second they separate, the effect is immediate. And if Vaatu is able to grow powerful from turning spirits dark, Raava should be able to grow powerful by turning them light.

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>>89752552
epic bro

>>89752393
me too

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man im glad nobody thinks like the minority retards in this thread and the funny think is they think they are the majority there head canon didn't come true and the head canon they had got debunked now they bitch over and over like this fag
>>89752596

>>89752564
It's been a while since I watched TLA, but I remember the solstice being important to talk to Aang's past lives, not necessarily enter the spirit world. And I don't remember unlocking chakras having anything to do with the spirit world. Unless you're thinking of the big glowing space Aang, and I don't think that's the spirit world as much as it is a visual representation of a mental state. In one of the earlier episodes, Aang gets his soul trapped in the spirit world by a spirit attacking him in the physical world, so to me the spirit world was always more connected than the way you're talking about it. (And I'm not trying to attack you for perceiving it differently, just explaining my view.)

Raava shrivels up because they were separated through an act of aggression, and because Wan's friends are already out in the world attacking spirits. There is already strife for Vaatu to feed off of. Maybe Raava does get powerful by turning the spirits light, it's just that that doesn't happen because of the conflict between humans and spirits.

>multiple spirit portals (not balanced )
>earth Kingdom at war
>but korra didn du nuffin and both these were good things
Writing a sequel would be hard, so in a way yea

>>89752644
I have no idea what you are saying because you didn't use any punctuation, I think you mixed up your 'there' with 'they're' and I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

>>89741262
Sandra Prikker

>>89752644
I didn't really have a head canon that got debunked. I would've been happy with almost any direction they took so long had it been executed well. However, the drastic difference in writing quality makes it hard for me to even connect the two series in my mind.

>>89751588
>Being able to manipulate lightning resolves things the moment it is used unless the opponent can redirect it.
Amon got zapped by lightning and he was fine.

>>89752693
i dont because i'm not a phone poster you filthy phone poster

>>89749298
Su is probably the best example of how not to right a sympathetic character or to handle your pet character

>>89742892
Season 1 is just the Light stroking their beards while getting their shit pushed in, saying "just as planned" while season 2 had a last minute heroic sacrifice to trick you into getting emotionally invested.

It wasn't that great, senpai.

>>89752727
I'm not on my phone. Maybe I just need to sleep

>>89752658
>Maybe Raava does get powerful by turning the spirits light, it's just that that doesn't happen
Why the fuck not? We saw there are peaceful humans and spirits everywhere still. Shouldn't it be super strong from years of no war whie vaatu unable to recover

If there is any conflict anywhere it will constantly lose power? There is zero balance to this, even him winning is just an end state

Also Vaatu says this time it will destroy raava, so apparently that is an option for them so there would be no balance.

>>89752658
They explain in the show that the solstice is the time that the spirit world and physical worlds are the closest together (which actually was retconned in a way). Fair enough on the chakras thing.

>In one of the earlier episodes, Aang gets his soul trapped in the spirit world by a spirit attacking him in the physical world, so to me the spirit world was always more connected than the way you're talking about it.

No, I believe the worlds were always very closely connected, just not in the way Korra presents it. The best way I can describe it is like they're two planes or reality that occupy the same space. For example, we see that when Aang enters the spirit world at the North Pole, he appears underneath an arch that very closely resembles the one at the spring. Or the time when Iroh 'sees' Roku and his dragon flying over him. It's as if the two worlds are mirrors of one another, where something in the spiritual world affects the physical world and vice versa, and occasionally things can spill out into that other plane of existence.

>Raava shrivels up because they were separated through an act of aggression, and because Wan's friends are already out in the world attacking spirits. There is already strife for Vaatu to feed off of. Maybe Raava does get powerful by turning the spirits light, it's just that that doesn't happen because of the conflict between humans and spirits.

I don't mind this interpretation actually, but I still don't like how they seemingly don't need each other, or rather, it is not very well explained. Real balance would be that both spirits are equally necessary, but that is not how the show presents it at all.

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>>89752882
You are right about the solstice. I had forgotten that line.

And I feel pretty similarly about the spirit world too, being a mirror of sorts.

And finally, yes, Vaatu and Raava should have been more dependent on each other. Here's how I see it, and I've been getting at this but not quite saying it correctly in my previous posts.

Vaatu's darkness is replaced by the human nature of the avatar, because Vaatu is uncontrollable without Raava. They are balanced when they are connected, but Vaatu would easily destroy Raava if left to his own devices, because destruction is his nature. I think he says "to fight me is to give me strength" so I guess when they become separated, Raava can't fight Vaatu on her own. So the human Wan steps in, imprisons Vaatu, and then becomes the force of aggression bonded with Raava. The avatar commits acts of violence, in order to create peace, because he is peace and violence in a single entity. The difference being that his human nature gives him wisdom.

I get what you're saying about Raava and Vaatu simply being good vs bad, instead of something more like creation and destruction. I wish I had better explanations, but I'm already up too late as is. Cheers.

>>89738590
not ruin so much as run it aground
it created Korra kuvira and the milf sisters so thats cool
but the stories were bassackwards and got fucked hard
i like it because it showed progression of the world and i enjoy imagining the world apart from the material given. the avatar world is gr8. Dont liek how fucking retardedly the airbenders were handled though

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>It's another thread of plebs not appreciating true animation kino

Seriousy, the love triangle was the only thing wrong with TLOK. Everything else was great.

>>89753012
>when they become separated, Raava can't fight Vaatu on her own.
So have they just never become separated, were the joined at conception? If so how would Raava know all that stuff she said about what would happen was true?

Or someone would have to help and we saw what that would take which wasn't something that had been done before. Spirits can't help cause they would get turned evil

>Vaatu would easily destroy Raava if left to his own devices, because destruction is his nature
Yet Raava is unable to apply her nature when left to her own devices, yet only grows to a equal strength when connected as has to still struggle with Vaatu.

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>>89738590
>Did Korra ruin Avatar?
No, it just reaffirmed by belief that ATLAB cannot be topped.

>>89753012
The problem I see is Raava never needed Wan to defeat Vaatu before. I get what you're saying about the separation giving Vaatu more 'free reign' so to speak, but their connection is more than just physical. Raava's mere existence should still have some effect on Vaatu, but it's all one way traffic. Just as Vaatu draws on conflict, Raava should be able to draw on harmony for strength. I like what you're saying about how the human element gives Raava the edge over Vaatu though, I've never thought about it quite like that before.

Anyway, I'm off to bed too. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion anon.

>>89738590
Red Lotus arc was awful. The plot armor on those guys was so ridiculous that it was hilariously jarring when it was suddenly taken away.

>>89753221
B-but they looked cool and season 3 was so good!

Never mind Ba Sing Se was a terrible arc which shat all over the original, never mind lil donte, never mind Su "I moved on so everyone else has to" Beifong, never mind Tenzin having no idea how human interaction or teaching works (when he had monks and tough his kids), never mind the gang having zero chemistry or reason to go along, never mind Zuko was 100% wasted, never mind Bolin can just lava bend cause why not and never mind the Red Lotus wasn't interesting at all cause good at bending =/= an interesting personality or backstory

But yeah like anarchy and stuff that's cool

>>89738590
Retroactively, yes.

I just can't forget about it when I think about Avatar.

>>89753221
>The plot armor on those guys was so ridiculous
But one of the reasons people liked them so much was because they didn't have plot armor.

They had a few losses in between. It's not like they suddenly were shit all of a sudden.

>>89753376
I'll give you Su being shit

>>89738590
Nah. I just ignore Korra. Never quite liked the idea of a continuation of The Last Airbender in any form.

>>89738590
Joke's on you losers, I never watched Korra, and I can still fully enjoy Avatar: The Last Airbender whenever I feel like it!

Hahahahahahahaha!

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>>89753033

Korra's writers somehow made mecha, lesbians and kaiju uncool. That's why people hate Korra, because the story was garbage.

>>89752050
Avatar The Last Airbender is anti war. The Legend of Korra advocates genoide of the autistic community. The lesbo must die. I am not in a good mood, because Channel 5 airing that shit.

>>89741936
She's bisexual.

>i destroy my enemies by making them my friends
best way to defeat a bad guy

>>89738590
Yes

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>>89742779
>liking SJW dyke pandering

>>89738590
Well, only if they don't disregard Korra as canon someday. You can enjoy what good came before as long as you ignore the holocaust that came after.

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>>89742324
>"lmfao eww r u a virgin xDD, gross thats why you dont like anything lel"

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Even porn with rushed ending has better plot than Korra

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No OP, we just pretend it doesn't exist outside of cheesecake.

>>89750526
>ever acknowledging Other M exists

ISHYGDDT

>>89738590
No. It was already ruined thanks to the awful Season 3.

>>89738590
>8,6 on IMDB
Most people love it, /co/.
Why can't you?

>>89762834
Well, if most people like it... it must be good!
It's not like that just because I don't like something it is bad, right?

>>89762810
You're exaggerating, Season 3 wasn't THAT bad,.

>>89762834
Most people don't think that critically about cartoons. It's enjoyable enough on the surface level, that's why it's so high.

>>89762834
I don't think it deserves to be loved or hated. I'm kind of in the middle

>>89762834
People love sword art online, but that doesn't stop it from being a dumpster fire of an anime.

>>89738590
I felt that Korra should have just remained a miniseries with the first season

>>89753033
There's honestly a huge difference between a oversized drill whose sole purpose is to take down a giant wall and a giant impractical mech that's too futuristic and stupid, even for 1920s era Korra. Also, Korra just turning into a giant spirit that can take on the Dark Avatar is stupid. Even Bryke couldn't fucking justify it and just said Korra can do this random OP thing for no apparent reason. At last Aang was merged with an ancient powerful symbolic spirit.

>>89762958
Fuck you.

Yes.
/thread

>>89738590
Yes

>>89742665
Great argument