Marvel Comics Brings Back The A-Listers For 2018

>>89735997
well looks like #boycottmarvel is a go after all

YOU CAN'T FIGHT THE FUTURE

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Spencer on suicide watch!

Marvel should try hiring editors who know what the fuck they're doing and not just back-slapping pals who feed bendis and co. egos.

>>89735997
>2018
Why not now?

Maybe the A-listers don't want to work there atm cos they see how much of a clusterfuck it is. Who wants to sign on for a series only to have it cancelled for a relaunch six issues in?

>>89735997
Yeah, I'm not gonna care about this unless I actually hear good things about the comics. Remember when people were saying that the X-Men Blue and Gold thing was totally gonna be great and it looks like more of the same, but with Guggenheim?

Can Remender really be considered an "A-Lister" at Marvel? All that he did is already irrelevant.

>those comments
>All those Hickman fanboys

I'll never understand the appeal of Hickman, he is just as boring as Bendis and writes equally mediocre convoluted stories with little satisfying content.

Marvel should let it's house style go and bring in more artists and maybe give them more control over books, the writers pool they have right now is dreadful.

>>89736065
>big, exciting, successful stories
>last 15 years
name one

>>89736145

He was consistently writting some of their best selling books, (which he continues to do with his own stuff) the guy is popular, and he isn't bad if a little pointed at times (too many memes for example)

>>89735997
>A-Listers
You mean all those hacks who turned the MU into a mess of eternal decompression and tumblr shit? Yeah, good luck with that.

>>89736082
This. The company has flaws all the way up it's structure, they need new people at the very head and new editors. Writers are key, but fix your business and then work at getting talent again.

>>89735997

They'll get King back and that's it. The rest of the talent will be just as untalented as what they have now. Also

>2018

lmao

>>89736223
>They'll get King back
lmao, indeed.

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>>89736178
Do tie ins count? I liked some tie ins, but the main events were all schwarbage or worse.

>>89736145
>>89736164
Remender and Hickman were big enough to strike out on their own, that's an A-lister. And honestly, who at marvel was better than them during that time?

Also, Remender went out amazingly with Rage of Ultron

>>89736223
King's exclusive at DC, there's no no way they're letting him go anytime soon

getting rid of Waid, Aaron, Slott and Bendis would be better

>>89736145
Uncanny x-force was one of the last marvel books that got any sort of critical acclaim.

Flash Venom only went away in the last 6 months

>>89736164
I really liked his SHIELD and FF.

Meanwhile...
Marvel To Release Free Guidebook In April To Help Decipher Impossible Reading Order Due To Constant Relaunches
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/01/24/marvel-release-free-guidebook-april-help-decipher-impossible-reading-order-due-constant-relaunches/

>>89736253

Aaron has become such a shitty writer its sad. He used to be a breath of fresh air, now he reeks of edgy 90s shit. The Goddamned is laughably poor.

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>>89735997
>KSD
>talent

>>89736266

Fair, his run on FF is by far his best work. SHIELD I lost track of its once per year pace.

>>89736253
Or just putting them on books that are actually in their wheelhouse. All of those people have written great stuff before, but it's also become clear that there is specific things that they can't do. Waid can't do teenagers, Slott can't sustain a long run, Aaron can't do magic shit forever because he ends up repeating himself, and Bendis can't do anything but non-team, street level heroes. Just put them on books they'd actually be good at.

>>89736253
>>89736288
I want to believe that Aaron paired with a strong editor would do a lot better. As it stands, it feels like too many of Marvel's writers have free reign to do whatever they want with no editorial oversight. This feels especially true for Bendis.

>>89736305

Never met a KSD fan but she sells I guess. To whom, I have no idea.

>>89736305
they had to add one female name to the list.

>>89736288
eh, he's like Lemire. Either fucking great or terrible. He's great with Thor, my favorite being The Accursed where he actually made Malekith terrifying.

>>89736305
Better writer than you in any case.

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>>89735997
>Marvel creates stars, or rather gives comic book creators the opportunity to make big names for themselves on the back of Marvel’s familiar characters – only to see them use this newly found fame to publish their own titles through Image
Now this is cucking if I ever saw one.

>>89736364
shoo shoo Kelly Sue

>>89736370

gb2/pol/

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>>89736364

Are any of the names being thrown around in here supposed to excite me?

Marvel needs new talent, not brining back previous successes like Hickman or Remender. Even Warren Ellis doesn't excite me and that's saying something. NEW BLOOD AND NEW STORIES

>>89736364
wew lass

>>89736377
>>89736394
>>89736409

>>89736383

>>89736256
On the other hand, "Uncanny Avengers" was criticized for trying too fucking hard ( the world "mutants" was turned into a slur, they referred to it as "m-world"), for being a 90's shitshow (Onslaught Red Skull, Zombie Sentry"), and for being completely irrelevant (the world literally was destroyed and no other book recognized it).

And "AXIS" was more irrelevant than "Monsters Unleashed", and that is saying something.

>>89736398
You had new blood and you hated them.

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>>89736377

>>89736451
Cool meme!

>>89736520
thanks!

>>89736398
Ewing, unfortunately that's it

>>89736441
I mean the axis and Planet X problems are editorial, it isn't Remender's fault that Marvel promised both him and Hickman the keys to the universe at the exact same time. Not to mention bendis

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>>89736065

>>89736553
bendis?

>>89736090
Probably because they have 2017 planned out and it would be far more of a problem to scrap what they've already started.

OH BOY! Top artists on books?! Man, I can't wait to see Thor fight Loki again. Or Cap fight Hydra again. Or Daredevil fight Kingpin again.

Seriously, all these empty promises mean nothing.

>>89735997
>Posting the BC link
We autosaged a thread on this yesterday

Stop coming here for clicks Rich

>>89736571
KEK! Peter Parker trolls Spencer

>>89736571

calm down luigi

>>89736575
The writer?

>>89736571
Wow, how very Trump of Spenser.

>>89736090
a good guess would be a lot of those creators who took off to image already said no, and they're waiting for DC's exclusive contracts to be up

>>89736314
Waid can't write any book

>>89736640
You've heard of him?

>>89736178
Whether you like it or not, Civil War was huge.

Brubaker's Cap run, Fraction's Immortal Iron Fist and Hawkeye, and Ennis' Punisher will always be well remembered. Annihilation was well received enough to revive Marvel's cosmic stuff until Bendis killed it again.

>>89736693

have i heard of the writer, bendis?

>>89736252
he'll go back after his exclusive is up. he's more of a marvel guy

>>89736664
His "Black Widow" is praised, isn't?

But I agree that both "Champions" and "Avengers" are shit.

>>89736364
Fraction, get back to writing Casanova.

>>89736571
So Spencer is one of those guys that, when proved wrong, just acts stupidly.

Color me shocked.

>>89735997
>Source: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/06/marvel-comics-brings-back-listers-2018/
Don't link them.

>>89736707
I don't know why people talk about Annihilation reviving Cosmic as if it was dead in 2004. Starlin was doing Cosmic events and ongoings and miniseries throughout the 90s and into the early 2000s alongside other writers. Giffen just divorced it from the shitshow that was happening on Earth at the time.

>>89736707
>Fraction's Hawkeye
Nope. He's guilty of Marvel starting with the tumblr pandering.

remender needs to come back, he was setting so much stuff up

>>89736789
Tell that to yourself every day until it becomes a reality.

>>89736855
Why not, fellow /co/comrade?

>>89736398
Brubaker is done with the big 2, and Ellis has stuff coming out for DC. so they're out. the rest really don't need marvel anymore, except for maybe deconnick. they'll land some good artists, but i think the writers will mostly steer clear

>>89736664
He wrote what is arguably the best run on Flash of all time.

>>89736571
he means diverse in the real sense not in the sjw meme sense, marvel is objectively more offering more diverse comics than dc right now

>>89736877
He also wrote "Fear Itself" that is, for all intents and purposes, worse than "Civil War 2".

>>89736943
>inb4 Johnsfags attack you
>inb4 MUH SPEED FORCE

>>89736943
Yeah, 20 years ago

>>89736950
Events are poison. Nobody writes them well. Remender made Axis not suck by having it not be serious at all.

>>89736991
SIXIS did suck tho

>>89736943
Messner-Loebs was better

>>89737025
t. /co/ntrarian

>>89736857
Because it kind of was, even Bill Rosemann said that the whole reason that they made Annihilation was to revitilize Cosmic Marvel.

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>>89736943
Nah, it was mostly mediocre.

>>89736944
More diverse in quality, I guess?

>>89736982
His run on Daredevil was pretty good and that was a few years ago.

>>89736894
it would be pointless, it's all been torn down. plus, they didn't part on the best of terms

>>89737040
Messner-Loebs was really good, though.

I like Waid better, but can understand if someone prefers Wessner-Loebs.

>>89736571
What’s his problem with DC?
He likes to throw shades here and there unprovoked like Brevoort, so what was up?

>>89737079
t. /co/ntrarian

>>89736905
no problem. king's batman has been mixed at best, unless he turns it around there is no reason for him to stay exclusive with DC after this year.

>>89737118
They screwed him out of his Young Justice book.

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>>89736082
I get the feeling that Marvel's problems are the result of an unwillingness to pay money for talent and forced commercial tie ins.

To that end, the editorial probably exists only to enforce corporate policy, not ensure quality.

>>89737147
Is that it?

>>89736944
Marvel has never been more diverse in terms of tones and stories than Marvel. Despite Rebirth's meat and potatoes approach, marvel has mostly done meat and potatoes stories themselves, their "different stories" come from the tumblr method of Hellcat and Squirrel Girl. Meanwhile DC has Young Animal, Flintstones, Vertigo.

>>89737130
King has already a new book at DC planned to August. He will remain exclusive.

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>>89735997
>Marvel does have Brian Bendis and Dan Slott to themselves

>>89737180
I think so, yeah. I think there was some other behind the scenes stuff but I can't be bothered to look it up.

>>89737121
t. sheep

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>>89735997
>Loosing Kelly Sue DeConnick
>a talent drain
>mfw she comes back

>>89736223
>They'll get King back
they never had him, he did 12 issues for them total on one series before dc decided to lock him down

>>89736789
then why did he work at dc for much longer than he worked at marvel and why are all of his comics except for 12 published by dc

>>89736943
Waid has already done his best work, and most of it was for DC. his time has past. it reminds a lot of Claremont's decline in recent years in terms writing ability.

>>89736950
>for all intents and purposes, worse than "Civil War 2".

That's really debatable. Then again it's like trying to argue if Pixels is worse than Jack and Jill.

>>89737210
I don't care what you call me, the fact is, Waid's Flash is easily one of the most celebrated cape runs of all time and will continue to be despite what some random contrarian shitposter in 4chan thinks.

>>89737192
please be The Question

>>89737210
I agree, /co/ntrarians like >>89737079 are sheep

>>89737181
young animal, flintstones and vertigo are completely irrelevant when we are comparing rebirth to whatever the fuck marvel's current initiative is called

is luke cage a tumblr story? is GLA? is USAvengers? is Ultimates2? marvel is simply doing a more diverse line at the minute

>>89737225
He has said in interviews he grew up as more of a Marvel reader.

>>89737187
>H-He's autistic for using facts guys!

>>89737225
>he did 12 issues for them total on one series
A series that pretty much made him the big name he is today. Remember, Vision is far more popular and topped a lot of "best of 2016" lists. It sold very well int trade and is probably getting a deluxe soon(that Marvel will probably call an omnibus so they can overprice it even more).

>>89737187
>triggered

>>89735997
>Matt Fraction
>talented author

Article ignored

>>89737150
>>89737187
>DCucks
Deleted posts ahoy!

>>89737274
>read marvel as a boy
>reads dc as a man
checks out!

>>89737121
I don't care what you call me, the fact is, Waid's Flash is easily one of the most overrated cape runs of all time and will continue to be despite what some random hivemind shitposter on 4chan thinks.

>>89737271
>diverse
Tumlbr pandering isn't being diverse.

>>89737304
Comic book writers don't read comics, they don't have time for that. And I doubt a CIA operative in the Middle East had time for reading comics either.

>>89737285
Grayson is 100% the comic that made him the big name he is today (well really it is Batman, but Grayson is obviously the comic that got him that gig)

>>89737304
>grew up with Shooter's Marvel
>read DC nowadays
He's definitely mah nigga.

>>89737205
Huh.
Well, he's certainly passive-aggressive when it comes to DC.

>>89737312
>n-no u!
Pathetic. Are we done here?

>>89737320
is luke cage a tumblr story? is GLA? is USAvengers? is Ultimates2? marvel is simply doing a more diverse line at the minute

>>89737330

he interned at both Marvel and DC.

>>89735997
>Marvel does have Brian Bendis and Dan Slott to themselves
No one wants Bendis though. Marvel is the only one that can't seem to get this.

>>89737271
We are comparing Marvel as a company to DC as a company. Saying their DC's various imprints don't matter because Marvel simply has none is about the most retarded thing ever. And those titles you mentioned aren't tumbr, they're just meat an potatoes. What, is the upcoming JLA diverse to you?

>>89737356
Yes.

>>89737368

Bendis remains one of the best selling writers in the industry.

>>89737271
What USAvengers and Ultimates2 have that turn them "diverse" and different compared to others "cape comics"?

>>89737118
THUNDER Agents didn't go well, and he blames DC for it not selling. it wasn't a good book. he was doing mostly back up stories at the time, and you get the impression he was expecting to be hot shit, but DC was bringing him along slowly. DC gave him Supergirl, but he only did one issue. i'm not sure if it was DC, or him that decided not to continue. he fucked off to marvel after that. overall, it just seemed like there wasn't really a place for him in DC at the time.

>>89737333
No, it's just the first comic he ever worked on. It was never that huge with critics, didn't sell a truckload and the first full issue he ever scripted was torn apart by critics. If Grayson was the comic that made him the big name he is right now then Omega Men and Vision wouldn't have sold so poorly.

>>89737393
Only thanks to gimmicks. His series hemorrhage readers incredibly fast.

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>>89737371
>conversation is specifically about rebirth vs marvel now
>b-b-b-b-but this licensed flintstone comic has a DC logo on it

also you havent read any of those comics you are calling "meat an potatoes" have you?

>>89737356
Coming from someone that unironically calls people that disagree with him "contrarians"? Check yourself, clown.

>>89737393
only cause he is allowed to pick whatever is popular to write

>>89737441
>marvel is objectively more offering more diverse comics than dc right now
You are either illiterate or just plain retarded.

>>89737192
he doesn't have to stay exclusive to still work for DC. there are a couple guys currently working for both companies

>>89737419
>No, it's just the first comic he ever worked on.
(not true, by the way)
>It was never that huge with critics
(not true, by the way)
>didn't sell a truckload
it did very well digitally
>and the first full issue he ever scripted was torn apart by critics.
the subsequent issues he scripted were praised by critics
>If Grayson was the comic that made him the big name he is right now then Omega Men and Vision wouldn't have sold so poorly.
Omega Men came out before Grayson was finished

>>89737192
>He will remain exclusive.
What a dumb thing to say. The contract is already signed, he'll be exclusive until at the very least 2018.

>>89737489
Being exclusive means you have a better salary and you get guaranteed work for a few years.

>>89737483
yes i can see why you would bring up the flintstones after reading that but then i explained to you twice that the response was specifically about rebirth vs marvel now and you still kept mumbling something about some dinosaurs comic you read with a dc logo on it

King isn't leaving DC you fags. There's no way they'd sign him to a one year exclusive when he's writing fucking Batman. Not to mention all the rumoured shit that's coming from him like LoSH.

I mean, how is this even a debate?

>>89737574

most exclusives for comics are only 2-3 year contracts, so assuming its 2 years, his exclusive would be up in 2018, when this article is saying Marvel is going to have A-List talent again.

>>89737393
>Iron-man had a successful movie. Bendis decides to write Iron-man.
Sales didn't improve.

>Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming soon. Bendis decides to write Guardians of the Galaxy.
Gunn told cast to avoid this like a plague.

>MCU decides to allow Spider-man in it. Bendis attempts to kill Peter and replace him with Miles and make him main Spider-man.
Thank god Slott stopped this.

>Luke Cage had a successful NetFlix series and Iron Fist NetFlix coming soon. Bendis decides to write a Luke Cage and Iron Fist book.
Will probably end in a failure given Bendis's recent material.

>>89737225
i think it's mostly because of his connection to scott snyder, they're bros. he was brought in by snyder. he's only been in the game for 4 years, the guy is still relatively new in terms of comic creating. now that he's made a name for himself, especially thanks to a marvel book, he's going to have more options after his exclusive is up. you have to look at it from a business point of view, and not as a fanboy.

>>89737406
Well they're different from the rest of Marvel's comics in that they're good

>>89737556
Because that's how you worded it, you illiterate monkey. I don't even like Rebirth, but Marvel has always been more meat and potatoes and you can't just ignore the imprints to prove a point.

Marvel is where you go when your writing career is over.

>>89737247
it has to be rene montoya question. that was some good stuff

>>89737677
Not really.

>>89737677
Well, Batman has been up and down and it's mostly because he tries too hard to hit certain spots that he saw people reacted to well. basically, King is selling out. He's a good writer but he needs to stop listening to hack writers, hack fans and hack critics have to say, he's better than them.

>>89737681
Why not both?

Now that Vic Sage is alive again, a book starring both Questions would be a dream.

>>89737681
Ew no.

>>89737574
Nice sauce

I too just believe everything I see on this faggoty board without question

>>89737760
Yes really, Waid.

>>89737763
>King is selling out
That greedy monster.

>>89737807
Nah, like Rich's article puts it, Marvel is when you go to become famous, then you leave for Image and start making real money.

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>>89737368
here's an interesting question. if slott were to ever jump ship to DC, do you think it's they could whip him into shape and become a DChad

>>89737841
Aaron is still writing for Marvel, though.

>>89737393
Bendis never drew a dime alone.

Bendis + A-List artist + A-List IP = sales
Bendis + A-List artist + C-List IP = bomb (just see Spider-Woman, Moon Knight and most of his non-superhero works)

>>89737763
nah, he was just forced to write something he's not suited to. This is why Superhero comics suck so often. Instead of writers picking their own ideas and running with them, they are given books to write they have never thought about before and aren't good at

>>89737271
oh for fuck sake, it's really annoying that someone took the bait

>>89737871
Maybe he likes writing there? Let's not forget that the reason writers like Fraction and Remender left is because Marvel screwed them over (screwed out of the Inhumans and screwed out of the X-Men, respectively)

>>89736090

Believe it or not, a lot of this stuff is planned pretty far in advance. The work, the solicitation and so on. Comics for april are likely mostly done. Story for may-july is easily outlined. It'll vary on each title/artist ect. 2017 is mostly locked down for marvel, so they're planning 2018 with some flexibility to transition at the end of 2017.

>>89737841
Tom Fowler made a good point recently, just because you do freelance doesn't mean you aren't getting royalties. He did an issue of batman years back and he's still getting money from it and a guy that wrote a Supernatural mini 10 years ago said he's still getting money for it. What people are doing at Image is trying to sell the rights for movie deals and tv because that's where the real money is at. And Image generally comes after Marvel because critics generally love marvel more and you can build up your name there.

>>89737884
>writers picking their own ideas and running with them
That's what killed Marvel.

>>89737903
Or knows that his golden days are over. After Scalped, all that he writes is small time.

>>89737849
It's a shame that Capullo isn't in this picture. The guy is pure muscle.

Why Marvel workers are such basement-dwellers while DC guys could fuck your girlfriend?

>>89737285
>mfw some faggots believe this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
marveldrones on suicide watch... or should i say, suicide squad?

>>89737932
>bribed critics generally love marvel more
FTFY

>>89737574
all of DC's exclusive contracts are for 2 years. they're all free agents in 2018, unless they re-up

The biggest DC names that don't appear to be on exclusives (according to a quick Google search):

Dan Jurgens (Action Comics)
Peter J. Tomasi (Superman)
Patrick Gleason (Superman)
Greg Rucka (Wonder Woman)
Ben Percy (Teen Titans, Green Arrow)
Rob Williams (Suicide Squad)
Bryan Hitch (Justice League)

Most of these aren't even big names either, so this is who they could 'steal', doesn't appear to be an inspiring list. Looks like we'll be seeing some of folks who went off to Image getting some big checks.

>>89736571
Even Spider-Man is sick of Marvel's shit. Don't blame him considering the way he's been treated.

>>89737975
Tomasi would be the only real steal

>>89737934
Southern Bastards is one of Image's most successful series though. The Goddamned did never go anywhere, which is weird since it's a Scalped reunion

>>89737393
When you use wolverine and spider-man in a c-list team it's really hard to fail. And re-writing classic Spider-Man stories isn't really creative

>>89737884
Nah, he's doing what he wants with batman. Guy wanted a Suicide Squad homage, he got it. Guy wanted to make his OC Gotham Girl and he did. Finch, as much as you might hate him was most likely hand picked by King because he praised him long before he was announced as the new Batman writer. The problems are in the execution, there are certain pages that are amazing, and then there are some that are kinda dumb because he knows what people want and he's trying to give it to them but he should know that the most popular things are not also the best things.

>>89737393
Don't forget the X-Men run where the main X-Men titles went under 50,000.

01/13 All-New X-Men #5 – 86,301 ( -5.1%)
01/13 All-New X-Men #6 – 85,403 ( -1.0%)
02/13 All-New X-Men #7 – 85,234 ( -0.2%)
03/13 All-New X-Men #8 – 90,990 ( +6.8%)
03/13 All-New X-Men #9 – 81,692 (-10.2%)
04/13 All-New X-Men #10 – 84,760 ( +3.8%)
05/13 All-New X-Men #11 – 80,582 ( -4.9%)

12/14 All-New X-Men #34 - 57,569 ( -4.1%)
01/15 All-New X-Men #35 - 51,823 (-10.0%)
02/15 All-New X-Men #36 - 49,464 ( -4.6%)
02/15 All-New X-Men #38 - 58,037 (+17.3%) B. Vortex
03/15 All-New X-Men #37 - 48,140 (-17.1%)
03/15 All-New X-Men #39 - 58,490 (+ 0.8%) B. vortex
04/15 All-New X-Men #40 - 57,797 (- 1.2%)
06/15 All-New X-Men #41 - 48,937 (-15.3%)

02/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #1 - 177,463 (+169.0%)
02/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #2 - 94,615 ( -46.7%)
03/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #3 - 85,775 ( -9.3%)
04/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #4 - 80,047 ( -6.7%)
04/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #5 - 78,919 ( -1.4%)
05/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #6 - 73,621 ( -6.7%)
06/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #7 - 73,719 ( +0.1%)
07/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #8 - 70,274 ( -4.7%)
07/13 Uncanny X-Men v3 #9 - 67,338 ( -4.2%)

09/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #25 - 58,062 ( 8.2%)
09/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #26 - 51,862 (-10.7%)
10/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #27 - 57,908 ( 11.7%)
11/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #28 - 55,939 ( -3.4%)
12/14 Uncanny X-Men v3 #29 - 53,502 ( -4.4%)
01/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #30 - 48,824 (-8.7%)
02/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #31 - 46,993 (-3.8%)
03/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #32 - 49,639 (+5.6%)
04/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #33 - 49,278 (-0.7%)
05/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #34 - 45,267 (-8.1%)
07/15 Uncanny X-Men v3 #35 - 48,094 (+6.2%)

>>89737608
>>89737968
I can't possibly believe that DC are just going to let King walk away from Batman and whatever else he's working on. Even if Marvel offer him a big cheque, DC are undoubtedly going to offer more, right? Why would you invest so much in a guy and not fight for him.

>>89737803
What do you want sauced? My opinion?

>>89737574
I want to believe that King is too smart to leave DC for Marvel, is Lemire, and Soule any indication, King would really start to suck, after going to marvel

>>89737975
>doesn't appear to be an inspiring list
I mean... their exclusives aren't inspiring either...

>>89735997
>Mark Millar
What's he been up to lately outside of the Jupiter series and his comics being adapted?

>>89738043
>DC are just going to let King walk away from Batman and whatever else he's working on
We truly believe in the era of fake news.

>>89737677
More or less. It used to be the other way around, but Marvel never really advanced past the "flashy comics for kids" and "superheroes punching stuff". DC, for all its flaws, at least knew how to write Good comics for mature audiences

>>89737975
>>89737975
Good luck trying to take Tomasi away from DC. The guy works there since the past millennium, first as an editor, now as a writer.

>>89737990
>>89738052
Agreed.

>>89738056
There was that comic he's doing with Greg Capullo. But yeah other than that it seems he hasn't put out as much.

>>89737975
Hitch, Rucka, Jurgens. But then again, they don't seem to want to work with Marvel.

>>89738049
I mean... DC pretty much made Lemire a big name and he still left them to go Marvel exclusive. He did this recently after DC let him do his dream Justice League comic with hand picked persona favorite characters. He left the company after he created a special character for that title that he tried to do a lot of research for and put a lot of soul into.

>>89738075
What's fake news about him working on Batman and another rumoured title? What's fake news about believing they wouldn't let him leave?

Anon, stop throwing buzz words about.

>no Humphries to leak the big Marvel event like last year

>>89738083
Meh, he's pleb tier anyway.

>>89737942
i think Capullo had already left DC to do Reborn with Millar when this was taken.
have you seen the before and after of Sam Humphries from marvel to DC? i think they replaced him with an android

>>89736950
>He also wrote "Fear Itself" that is, for all intents and purposes, worse than "Civil War 2".
Oh go fuck yourself it's 50 fucking times better and a perfectly decent Thor/Cap arc.

>>89738130
>Lemire a big name and he still left them to go Marvel exclusive.
and he started to suck. same with soule.
that was the point. I mean, King can go to marvel, but his output will suck.

Also, the poetic justice is that Lemire has an exclusive contract, while DC is publishing Kamandi Challenge, something that Lemire always wanted to participate in

>>89738140
Sauce or gtfo then.

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Holy shit this butt hurt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLh0EvwE3_M (full waterworks starts at 5:30)

>>89738130
And now at Marvel he wrote the bottom of X-Men stories of the decade, and that's saying something.

His Moon Knight is passable mainly because you can't miss when writing crazy stuff.

>>89738171
>Marvel Humphries: Microsoft
>DC Humphries: Android

>>89738180
>can go to Marvel, but his output will suck
It never ceases to amaze me. It is as if this publisher was cursed.

>>89738190
Sauce? He's on Batman?

Batman: http://www.dccomics.com/talent/tom-king
LoSH: http://www.cbr.com/king-teases-rebirth-plans-for-legion-of-super-heroes-in-batman/

Take your (You)'s anon and close your browser and go outside.

>>89738080
>What is Born Again?
>What is Elektra: Assassin?
>What is Elektra Lives Again?
>What is Marvels?
>What is Silver Surfer: Requiem
>What is Born?
>What is Supreme Power?

>>89738174
as much as I hate CW2 Fear Itself is far worse

>>89738155
He is better than 95% of Marvel writers right now.

Tomasi is Alan Moore when compared to Kelly Sue.

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>>89738195
>Talking about comics
>Uses the movie studio logo
>Uses movie promos and fan art
I just started and I can already tell this is ridiculous.

>>89738223
Bendis missed pretty hard on Moon Knight

>>89738223
let's not forget Soule. One of the most overhyped writers on /co/. He went for "greener pastures" and got assigned inhumemes, after Fraction refused to left, because he hated the direction that marvel wanted to do (and seems he was right, as Fraction wanted Game of Thrones Inhumans). It's like God hates Soule

>>89738180
His Moon Knight is good, his Descender is great, his Black hammer is great and he has another comic called Royal City coming up that he is writing and drawing(generally those are great). Rest of his Marvel work sucked though, I agree but he was hit and miss at DC too. I think his exclusive is up now.

>>89738263
Good question: what this shit is?
Because these books are a far cry from your average DC's adult stuff. Especially marvels.

>>89738266
Mentioning Moore in the same sentence as those two should be considered a crime.

>>89738195
I only downloaded the SRT file and it's so cringey what I'm reading.

>>89737975

Marvel already wasted Rucka and Jurgens. Should have kept Jurgens Sentry as Canon, not the edgelord we ended up with.

>>89738277
Soule's indi stuff continues to be good

>>89738305
>what this shit is?
Oh, so I'm talking to a 13 year old. Nevermind.

That begs the question: How good Ewing would be, if he moved to DC? So far Ewing is assigned with mediocre books and mediocre artists. It's like marvel doesn't want him to succeed

>>89738105
he's got that movie money. at this point he's just doing it for fun

>>89738263
>Elektra Assassin
>Mature comic
The appeal of this shit is it edgelordism.

>>89738259
>CBR
I will see it when I believe it.

>>89738263
>Marvels
>Supreme Power
What Ifs.
>Born
MAX.

>>89738267
>REEEE PRESERVE MUH MOVIES!

>>89738317
Go die in a fire, Souless.

>>89738330
>fapping over Elektra - She Lives. AGAIN!
lel

>>89738105
How is that book?

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>>89738264
I hate Fear Itself and I'd rather read that over CW2.

>>89738345
Yes, and? Most of DC's "mature" output is Vertigo.

>>89738364
It's okay I guess. I'm waiting to read it all in one go.

>>89738364
Meh

>>89738386
Moree Swamp Thing, Morrison Animal Man and Doom Patrol, Skreemer, DeMatteis Dr. Fate, O'Neil's Question among many came out before Vertigo was even founded, my dude.

>>89738382
fine can we just agree that shit is shit

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>>89738363
Confirmed for never having even read it. Thank god school is starting again in a few weeks so you underage faggots can get the hell out of my board.

>>89738437
jesus, the amount of salt in this post is dangerous for health

>>89738195
does this guy have a speech impediment?
"it's ben a swo evowooshun."

>>89738264
It's just another evil god vs Thor story but wider spread.
No mischaracterizations, no illogical/retarded character/plot choices, no pointless/offensive deaths (Bucky would have been "killed" in his Cap book if not here, Brubaker confirmed), no Hero vs Hero crap except the Thing being possessed.
It had great art, a really good fight scene with Thor vs Hulk & Thing, cool armor & designs for the villains, good mix of Cap & Thor's mythos. No Bendis banter, no social justice message. a really good tie in with Invincible Iron Man.
It's MUCH fucking better.

>>89738429
Let's not forget Green Arrow

>>89738429
I said "most" not "all".

>>89738451
>LOL U MAD
Underage confirmed.

>>89736991

>Marcel event says are poison

FTFY

>>89738451
Jesus, the amount of illiteracy in this post gave me a stroke.

>>89738481
Yeah, go fap to your blind batman

>>89738478
I fucking love the Green Lantern Green Arrow crossover. Just over the top political stuff but so good seeing GA and GL fist fight everytime their ideologies clashed

>>89738479
You're still wrong though.

>>89738518
Who's mad now?

>>89738510
Good. I hope you get another

>>89738478

Grell is the epitome of old-fashioned dadcore. Not on the same level, not even close.

>>89738540
(You)

>>89738518
>>89738550
So mad.

>>89738364
i like it. it's fantasy stuff that takes place in the afterlife

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>>89738195
I love when SJWs resort to racism when a non-white disagrees with their views.

>>89738195
tl;dw

STOP CRITICIZING THE COMICS BECAUSE IT'LL HELP THE MOVIES!

>>89738578
Shits on Marvels, Requeim, Elekra or Supreme Power though.

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>>89738195
>Everything Marvel is doing right is fine because comics are just to test-run movie ideas. Based Disney!
This is the audience you chose, Marvel.

>>89738578
>>89738540

>>89738610
Yeah, that's sad. Marvel has no fans anymore, only MCU shills.

>>89738386
the classic only Vertigo is mature DC assumption. i've been seeing this excuse for over 20 years. it's like you don't read DC...

>>89738195
Can't listen to this guy, he has an annoying voice and I can tell he's fat and has trouble breathing.

>>89738634
Oh boy, the day they stop making movies.

>>89738578
Grells run was amazing, but that's a decade after Green Arrow was doing things to push the comic boundaries

>>89738626
>frogposter
Confirmed underage. Get the hell out of my /co/.

>>89738720
It's not your /co/. It never was

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>>89738682
I wouldn't say fat, but he does definitely look like he has some sort of problem in the brain.

>>89738745
Sure as hell is more of mine than it ever was yours, 13 year old.

>>89738713
the Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams books actually had impact on mainstream culture back then. amazing stuff

>>89738764
You seem to be obsessed with 13 year olds.

if remender comes back hopefully its more uxf then uncanny avengers

>>89735997

So Marvel is now for Image what 2000AD was for DC.

That's hilarious

>>89736448
They got their new blood from webcomics and Tumblr.

>>89738624
For free or for a fee?

>>89738796
I am talking to one, am I not?

>>89736398
Do you think there's any new blood in the industry worth recruiting? Gimme 5 writers and 5 artists.

>>89738820
>webcomics
The way of the future. Most future writers will come from here, as it is much easier to get recognized in the sea of writers by already having a strong online presence.

>Tumblr
Where most webcomic artists post their art, including several from /co/ itself.

Honestly, I fail to see the problem with either, the real issue is that Marvel picked the wrong people. Like Henderson, who is transparently awful.

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>>89738852
have a seat

>>89738814
i mean it's not like that was how Image was founded or anything...

>>89738904
>The way of the future
And this is why modern scifi is so pessimistic.
>Marvel picked the wrong people
No, it's just that webcomic creators are OK for short stories, but not for long ones. I like Oglaf and Nedroid, but I'm sure they would suck at capes; a lot.

>>89736944
>change Superman's entire character arc by making him a father and making it a family book
>make Detective comics a team book instead of Batman book #37
>Make Blue Beetle a mentor-protegee book instead of "le Spider-Man bluebrint"
>offer several minis about characters that are not often used and have unique characteristics like Midnighter, Hawkman, and the Atom
And what diverse storytelling books does Marvel have? Ultimates? Is that still even being published? Or do you consider "le quirky hipster girl" a diverse type of title?

>>89738979
That's not true, might as well say all of those 2000AD writers like Moore or Morrison would suck at capes because they have to write in a shorter format.

>>89737271
>is GLA
Yes, at least the current run is.

>>89738996
To be fair, Superman has always pretty much been your dad

>>89738944
And they competed with Marvel for the title of Worst Comic Publisher Ever.

>>89739033
>implying the webcomic cesspool can ever give a new Moore or Morrison
Why don't you put a link to your creations and be done with it?

>>89739073
What the hell are you talking about? All I'm doing is debunking your idea that webcomic writers are somehow not suited for long-term storytelling because of the format of their current stories. Also, Oglaf and Nedroid are horrible examples to bring up since they're just gag a day comics.

>>89737393
Selfbfufilling prophecy.
>give him biggest characters and artists
>sales baloon to start
>then plummet and stabilize to what they were non bendis in less than 10 issues

>>89739033
2000AD is a weekly anthology book though. the writers still do a complete story. it just gets broken up into smaller sections for publication

>>89739124
>Oglaf and Nedroid are horrible examples to bring up since they're just gag a day comics.
But they're the only webcomics worth reading. So my point stands.

>>89739137
Yes? And so do several webcomics. Not every webcomic out there is fucking Dinosaur Comics.

>>89737406
Metatext. While popularized in comics due to Moore and Morrison its actually not that common, especially when it's a dedicated thing, and not just DUDE I BROKE THE 4TH WALL LOL

>>89739160
'Kay, I see there's no real point in arguing with you since you're already dead-set on the "all webcomics suck!!" mentality. Reminds me of folks who think all comic books suck and such.

>>89738904
Webcomics are shit. Not that they all suck, I loved Homestuck back in the day and stuff like It Hurts! and even Paranatural rank (low) in my all time favorites list, but they're a different beast entirely from capeshit.

Beyond that, webcomics suck because monetizing anything on the internet is basically impossible. It says a lot when the most reliable ways of getting income are through tricking your audience into paying for your crap (ad revenue and the whole Free 2 Play gaming model).

It's a good way for artists to get discovered (Rebecca Sugar, who I unironically respect as an auteur, did get her start on places like, well, /co/ drawthreads as a wee underaged lass), but it fails as a way to support artists, so you wind up with a bunch of talented but unrefined/unfocused writers/artists being let loose with these larger than life IPs without any idea on what they're doing.

Wake me up when the webcomic equivalent of Crunchyroll/Netflix is in service.

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>>89735997
>Who are you hoping for Marvel to bring back, /co/? And I mean anyone, doesn't have to be one of the people mentioned above.

Christopher Yost.

He's busy writing things for Hollywood, TV series, etc. (he is a new crew member for Season 3 of Star Wars Rebels, specifically for upcoming Mandalorian-focused episodes).

But I really, really, really would love to see him do the insane as fuck Aztec epic he was seeding in Scarlet Spider.

Let him off the leash so he can create the most gory, factual, true-to-mythology, beautiful, mystical madness to ever rear its ugly, putrefactive, flowered, skeletal face in comic form.

... after he discusses his ideas with a partner/editor who can rein in his tendency to include unnecessary old-as-fuck comic characters and plots (High Evolutionary, Malice, elf with a gun) from actually relevant/good ones.

>>89739204
>all webcomics suck!!
Well, they do.

>>89739178
Priest is doing it in a book better than these two.

>>89735997
So it starts Marvel: Rebirth

>>89739210
I'm not saying it's a perfect medium or anything, and going from, say, Fantasy Webcomic #35924 to Spider-Man is way too big a leap, but it's a fact that webcomics ARE the way of the future, for better or worse.

>>89739073
that Image stuff from the 90's was fucking awesome to a 14 year old kid back when it was coming out. looking back on it now, most of it was hot garbage. the Cyber Force books were my shit. the only bad thing was all the delays.

>>89739256
>fetish comics ARE the way of the future
No thanks. We already have manga for that.

>>89739224
'Kay. Good job ignoring the rest of my post.

>>89739235
Doesn't mean it's common or not noteworthy.

>>89738979
there are some exceptions. 8-bit theater being one, while it dipped in quality at the end that was mainly due to running out of areas to cover rather than writing. If it were a serialized comic it would have been contensed a few hundred pages, a lot of the beginning would have been cut and the later parts condensed.

>>89739210
>Rebecca Sugar,
this is exactly why webcomics suck

but jokes aside
>mlp
>rebecca sugar
what other cancer had we spread upon the world?

>>89739173
the difference is, i've never read a webcomic that wasn't complete garbage. got any recomendations?

>>89739285
The best X-Men run of all time was written by a man who couldn't keep his fetishes in check. Don't pretend to know what you're talking about.

This is a bigger deal/more important than that kill all new characters Nazi shit /co/ is hard for

>>89739316
Bad Machinery

>>89739073
>And they competed with Marvel for the title of Worst Comic Publisher Ever.
and you are a fucking idiot. Image has a wide range of quality but they have some of the best stuff coming out these days

>>89739285
>I PRETEND THAT AN ENTIRE MEDIUM CAN BE DASHED ASIDE BECAUSE MY OWN PERSONAL BIASES
Sad!

>>89739322
>a man who couldn't keep his fetishes in check
Unless Shooter was watching. And cut the retarded comparisons, will you?

>>89739221
>Yost
I miss him

>>89739338
Do they? I find much more interesting books in Dark Horse or even BOOM Studios than in Image.

>>89739250
Heroic Age 2.0, and like the 1st one, it'll only last 6 months

>>89739316
Rice Boy
Necropolis
Kill Six Billion Demons
FreakAngels
The Abominable Charles Christopher
Ava's Demon
Some Other Animal's Meat

>>89739333
i'll check it out, thanks

>>89739359
>Unless Shooter was watching
Oh boy, another underage Shooterfag. Post dismissed.

>>89739430
Let me know when those creators save the US comic industry.

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>>89739458
>underage Shooterfag
That doesn't even make sense, my butthurt anon.

>>89739467
I will. One of them is Warren Ellis (The Authority, Planetary), another is Karl Kerschl (Gotham Academy, Action Comics), and another got his book published through Image (KSBD)

>>89739285
Hey man, Innocent Dickgirls Guy is doing regular interiors for DC, anything can happen

>>89736611
I have to ask, just how accurate has this guy been in the past. Like, what did he successfully predict?

>>89739500
It does, because if you had actually lived through Shooter's reign you wouldn't be so quick to sing his praises.

>>89739397
We can all hope they pull a Rebirth anon...

To bad I will never get my Dark Avengers lead by HydraCap before that

>>89739507
>Warren Ellis
Who was already an established comic writer.
>Karl Kerschl (Gotham Academy
Ugh.
>another got his book published through Image
Well, duh. Image is LGBT central.

>>89739516
Artists are another question.

>>89739516
>Innocent Dickgirls
Everyday we stray further from God's light.

>>89739528
Rebirth, for starters. And he doesn't "predict" shit, he pays interns for scoops.

>>89739538
Oh boy, another underage Byrnefag. Post dismissed.

>>89739557
Ah, so you're just shitposting. Okay then.

>>89739538
just because some writer couldn't make a legacy hero a black gay furry, doesn't mean that Shooter was bad. Under his reign marvel flourished. He did more to creator's rights than the founders of image comixcs

>>89738195
>Comic Book Cast

We already know he's all up Marvel's ass while bashing every other studios doing Marvel property movies. I think he also received Disney products to review them in the past.

>>89739567

Or lurks /co/!

>>89739581
>n-no u!
Pathetic. Are we done here?

>>89739594
This has to be a shitpost.

>>89739620
your entire life is a shitpost

>>89739581
I hope you're trolling because to a third party you come off as such a childish retard.

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>>89737849
>Morrison can summon John Lennon but can't train his calves

>>89739627
Wow, that was hella epic, bro.

>>89739631
There is literally nothing wrong with Shooter era, unless you hate Claremont X-Men, Byrne's FF, Miller's DD, or Simonson's Thor, or Gruenwald's CA.

>>89739393
>BOOM
wow, what crap do you read?

Dark Horse is alright though

>>89739654
not as epic as your stupidity

>>89739594
Shooter literally doomed the industry by making the big 2 slaves to the direct market.

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>>89739637
morrison needs to have slender legs for when crossdresses

>>89739316

Unsounded - possibly best webcomic ever.
http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch11/ch11_49.html

(Chapter 7 is possibly the most visually and emotionally thing I saw in that whole year).

Everblue
Guilded Age?

>>89738364
great art, how's his other ongoing

>>89739704
And the alternative at the time was?
Please say it loud -

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>>89739665
agreed

>>89739704
Nice no-sauce, True Believer.

>>89739665
And yet when he left Marvel was in shambles, funny how that works, eh? Oh, and who can forget such instant classics like Secret Wars II or the New Universe?!

>>89739665
But those books aren't necessarily Shooter, Miller DD is directly O'Neil, Claremont's run started years before Shooter was even an editor, just 2 quick examples.

I like the Shooter Era but jerking him off as the lone genius who made Marvel run is retarded.

>>89736991

Spider Island was good

>>89739676
>The Spire
>crap
Bitch gunna cut ya.

>>89739777
marvel was in shambles, because harras became an editor and started harassing veterans. it seems like when you've read marvel biography, some pages about 90s era got glued

>>89739777
>>89739781
Stop visiting Byrne Robotics, anon.

>>89739828
Shooter stopped being EIC in 87 though.

>>89739794
(you)

Can we just stop doing events entirely?

>>89739828
Marvel was left in shambles right after Shooter though, don't be so naive. But sure, yeah, Shooter was a magical god-man who magically made Marvel Comics great and he had no flaws whatsoever! Also, he was very handsome and smart!

>>89739781
Dark Phoenix saga disagrees with you.
He did later become overly despotic, but during his tenure marvel flourished, because they had
-graphic novels line
-epic imprint
-introduced creators royalties
-originality and quality control

If you google hard enough, you will find essays describing his tenure in much greater detail, both positives and negatives. But shooter's era was the last time marvel was truly great.

>>89739806
I like Spurrier but I couldn't get into The Spire because the protagonist was a lesbian and I read Cry havoc before and that one had a lesbian as the lead too(and they were publishing around the same time. Also, it was kind of uninteresting.

>>89739839
Fuck off Jim. Breaking in at 14 is impressive but you're just as washed up as Byrne.

>>89739892
He had flaws, like everyone else, but when you compare him to what came after, there is no contest. Unless you love Harass, Quesada, Jemas, and Alonso

>>89739892
>Shooter was a magical god-man who magically made Marvel Comics great
Well, considering that Cadence was considering shutting down the publisher in late 1970s... yes, it was almost magic.

>>89739928
>I couldn't get into The Spire because the protagonist was a lesbian
And you're the one saying Image is better...

>>89739932
Neither of them are doing any comic books, aren't they?

>>89739933
Quesada and Jemas were arguably as good as Shooter: they started off strong but got shittier and shittier as time went on.

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>>89739932
>Fuck off Jim
Make me, fanboy.

>>89739933

Quesada gets a bad rap, mostly because of insane Spider-Fans

>>89739979
>Jemas
>arguably as good as Shooter
Gee, I wonder who might be behind this post?

>>89739974
Shooter is working at some publisher and (I think) has a honorary position at current Valiant.
Byrne is... well, making photoshopped Star Trek "comics."

>>89739979
>>89739986
>defending Quesada
Okay, now I've seen everything

>>89739986
And because he killed inter-company crossovers.

>>89740019
>Byrne is... well, making photoshopped Star Trek "comics."
oh mein gott in himmel.

>>89739933
>Quesada
had some good decisions. He wasn't great but wasn't bad.

Alonso is fucking terrible though

>>89739986
Dude he fucking killed the Spider Line, poisoned the good relationship D.C. and Marvel once had, and kicked off the nonstop events bullshit.

>>89740104
let me guess... a fan of House of M?