What exactly is this and why do people hate it so much?

>>89715509
It started ironicaly, but s with all memes, stupid people started taking it seriously.

Like a fucking school is responsable for the art style that exist only due to budget reasons.

>>89715613
>It started ironicaly, but s with all memes, stupid people started taking it seriously.

This. This is why you should never take anything people say on 4chan seriously.

>>89715613
And the fact that certain shows that use the artstyle aren't even made by CalArts alumni.

>>89715509
Reminder that Uncle Grandpa was made by a CalArts student.
Reminder that SU and Gumball weren't.

>>89715641
Fucking this, and the worst are made by people that never went to Calarts.

>>89715509
It's /co/'s personal Boogeyman.

>>89715509
>>89715613
>>89715639

These

But it's also interesting to add the fact that a lot of people don't like Cal Arts because basically it's the only school in the world to go to if you want to get into the animation industry, and very few people get accepted into it. Meaning most people can kiss their chances goodbye

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The CalArts style. Everyone knows this since 90% of American cartoons use it.

>slanted oval eyes
>round head
>C-shaped ears

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>>89716298
And thin, pencil neck.

What exactly happens at CalArts? Has anybody here ever been? I'm curious to know what they are taught.

I don't want to buy into the ebin meems, but it always reminds me of the page from Animation Survival Kit where the students know absolutely nothing. Since CalArts was co-founded by Disney they must know a decent amount, right?

>>89716566
You can just search the tumblr of people that study there.

>>89716452
To be honest, Elmer and Popeye are the only characters on that chart that look vaguely CalArts-like. The others don't have the eyes or ears.

>>89716566
This anon >>89716591 is right.

This girl here is a first year student:
http://pocketpicasso.tumblr.com/

I quite liked this short, even if it was obviously made with time constraints.

https://vimeo.com/184965728?from=outro-embed

>>89715509
>why do people hate it so much?
Because people are fucking retarded and don't realize that the "calarts" style is taught because it's very popular among executives and studios because of how easy it is on the budget, not the other way around.

>>89716566
>but it always reminds me of the page from Animation Survival Kit where the students know absolutely nothing
But the same thing that page said about art school applies to CalArts, it's not really the schools fault, it's the students who aren't actually interested in learning that are the problem.

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>>89715509
It's jealousy

People pay thousands to go to art school and hope to get somewhere in life but almost never do.

Meanwhile Calarts students fall ass backwards into success, most often without ever graduating.

Didn't John K denounce CalArts as a blight on animation?

>>89717608
Is there anything left he has not bitched about?

>>89717608
He is a faggot tho.

>>89717404
Nigga wut? The vast majority of CalArts students end up serving burgers like pretty much every other art school graduate.

Besides, pretty much only like 0.1% of /co/ has actually gone to an art school or even has any interest in being an animator.

>>89717608
John K is a blight on animation.

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>>89717404

CalArt's encourages some low effort art styles and its become a massive plague on the animation industry. Steven Universe, Adventure time, Gravity falls, etc. All have really sub-par artstyles. As someone who just graduated from an animation uni (aka the only one in australia) its annoying and down right disgusting seeing CalArt's kids always get handed success on a platter. Meanwhile the rest of us are busting our nutts trying to get a job stateside so we can make a living.

Someone will probably argue about gumball but i'd say in gumball its honestly actually fitting considering the show is one giant satire about tropes and cliche's in the industry.

>>89717822
You are kind of stupid considering that your complain was refuted on this thread.

SU isnt even Calarts, and it isnt EVEN Rebecca Sugar art style. This is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgue81LVZ4E

The CalArts style is sort of an industry standard and even if you come up with your own idiosyncratic art style, the animators and studio execs will do their best to CalArt-ify it.

Take the Simpsons. This is Matt Groening's art style after being given the CalArts treatment. Look at Life In Hell for what his style looks like by itself.

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When a student who constantly gets told by all his friends and parents that he doesn't need to put in any effort gets shit grades do you blame the teacher?

>>89717608
I think he hates art schools in general, he himself dropped out of Sheridan. Calarts probably got the heat because it's the most well known school and probably has more alumni in the American industry than any other school

>>89718095
I think it would be more proper to call it the LA Style and I believe it was John K who dubbed it the "CalArts" style.

Actually it's not true at all that CalArts imposes a specific style on its students. Take Tim Burton and Brad Bird, both CalArts grads with radically different art styles.

It's more accurate to speak of the style that studio execs impose on animators.

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>>89717822
Thing is, style does not matter when looking for a job in the entertainment industry. It is all about who you know, what connection you make, and how friends can get you into positions regardless of skill.

And the school that is 5 minutes down the road from every major film studio is going to have those connections.

SCAD is way over in Georgia where there is nothing. Ringling is in Florida and can get some Disney attention on occasion but not like Calarts. SVU and RID are just not in the same area and have an incredibly hard time competing.

>>89717656
The school with the 92% placement rate in animation? Are you fucking high?

>>89718429
I think this is pretty accurate. Judging by student film projects and sample drawings made by a variety of CalArts grads from Butch Hartman to Seth MacFarlane to Brad Bird, a lot of these guys have a very wide range of art styles. It seems fairly obvious to me that animation studios default to the slanted oval/C-shaped ears look for consistency reasons and because it's easier for animators to draw rather than having to learn 250 different art styles.

I've thought for years that the CalArts look is overdone and played out.

>>89718477

Yeah thats pretty much accurate. Our uni pushed the whole "connections" thing during our course but the problem was that we had no one to connect with, like the only major aus animation studio left is Liquid but they never go to events now days because of how stingy they are with hiring.

I'd kill for a shot at going to a uni in america/canada since i'd have a much higher chance of connecting with studios but that doesn't seem like its gonna happen anytime soon :\

My hate for CalArts went from "this fucking style again?" to "fucking hell can anyone NOT from CalArts get a job in cartoons anymore?"

I don't have a link to it unfortunately, but there's a post somewhere that's just this humongous deconstruction of just how much of a plague CalArts is on the industry. Not because of any kind of art style, but because if you're not a CalArts alumni, then fuck you, you have like a 1% chance of getting any work in animation you sorry sack of shit. Should've been born in or moved to California! Tough shit, better luck next life.

>>89718867

This is legit the situation. I have a friend who's sister went to CalArts and she applied to a studio i applied to, she got the job literally the next day meanwhile i had to wait 2 weeks for the rejection email. It's so fucking stupid that this is the state of the industry that people outside of CalArt's are just being told to fuck off and die.

CalArt's is legit just a plague on the industry right now, anyone thats not CalArt's has to go indie or look for some sort of back up career. Good thing most animators mix illustration with animation because illustration is a fucking safe fall back since everyone needs illustrators.

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>>89718867
Is this it?

>>89719061
That list is a really big part of it, yeah. Other parts were students from other colleges getting internships, and basically being spit on because they weren't from CalArts. Others involved students that graduated with straight horseshit material, and then just immediately getting jobs right out the gate simply because they came from CalArts.

>>89715641
You don't need to have gone to a school/institution in order to ape a style. Influence can permeate a shit ton.

There's truth to the meme. Someone should post that list of animated films where 89% of directors were cal arts grads.

>>89717608
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2010/01/cal-arts-style.html

Here he explains it. To summarize,

>the stereotypical slanted oval eyes/C ears CalArts look came from 1960s-70s era Disney and Don Bluth
>this was an organic style that the Nine Old Men had developed with decades of experience and practice, and which was tailored specifically to the characters and styles they were doing
>while the NOM had a near-mastery of fluid animation and construction by this late point, their art styles were also static and formulaic
>in short, they'd decided on a particular look and feel they liked and ran with it for years and years until retiring
>problem being, young animators wanted to copy the Disney style, but lacked the experience of the NOM or the understanding of why they drew things the way they did
>also those late career Disney movies like The Jungle Book were at the point where the core Disney animators had stopped innovating or coming up with new ways of doing things

>>89716452
Nigga them be craniums.

Notice how tom and others are drawn in more than 3/4 view.

>>89719061

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/10/14/calarts-sexual-assault.html

Don't forget they treated a rape victim as a joke and asked some of the most downright disgusting questions in a serious investigation.

>>89719061
I mean I agree that the school's overly prolific, but... it WAS founded by Disney himself, so it makes sense that its graduates would go on to make films for Disney.

>>89719343

While i somewhat get that people going to study at a disney founded uni would work in disney, i think most people dont understand why the fuck CalArt's has to be the special uni which gets you instantly hired at literally any studio? Other uni/college's teach you literally the same shit yet for some reason CalArts gives you a +1 boost to being hired over all others.

It just highlights a huge bias thats rampart in the industry.

>>89715509
California Institute of the Arts (CalArts) is a private art school in southern California founded by Walt Disney as a place to train aspiring animators/ artists. People hate it for a bunch of reasons, from "CalArts Style", how private/ exclusive it's considered, how expensive it is, the success of its students (especially animation students), etc, and probably a bunch of other things that vary for different people.

There are legit reasons to be frustrated at the school, but most of these are taken so far out of context that a lot people seem to see it as some evil caricature of itself.

>>89719343
The problem isn't that a lot of people get hired from CalArt, it's that everyone who studied at any other art school basically gets told to eat shit and die, I'm amazed animation studios don't put landmines in their mail boxes instead of rejection letters.

>>89719424
God bless anonymity.

I remember the mention of the meme on twitter, and everyone (who was an alumni or kissing up to them) proceeded to say that it was all out ignornace and jealousy.

>>89719424
I had a few ideas on why

>It's because Cal Arts is Disney, the most successful animation company ever born. So people want them, and essentially no one else

>Employee's creators, etc want to create an environment where everyone came from the same damn place so they work in a environment that is more familiar to them.

>There's no other really big college for animation besides it. So for them it's basically, you either went to Cal Arts, or You Better have been so goddamn good that the only reason you didn't go to Cal Arts was because they were full

>>89715509
It's the best animation school in the world, and people are jelly.

>>89719539

Honestly anyone who kisses up to them needs a good hit in the face, the reason they've become such a blight is because of people who do that exact same shit. Like no please, its not like anybody else is trying to pursue their career. CalArt's just exists as an external cock block to basically tell people to fuck off and that they're not wanted.

>>89719582

Honest to god this shit needs to stop, creating environments that are filled with the same students just seeks to promote what i call the "high school environment" which is literally just a studio filled with the same fucks and dont really get rid of them because they're all working together. I mean if you have people outside of just CalArt's, i bet my ass you'd get some better results instead of half this mindless shit we have now.

Byron Howard who directed Bolt, Zootopia, and Tangled went to Evergreen State.

>>89719582
From everything I've heard CalArts students aren't actually hired for animation as often as other colleges, like Ringling. CalArts students are usually more hired for story and design work.

>>89719730
It's true
Most haters couldn't make it to CalArts
They couldn't even make it into an Arts Institute

>>89719900
Ouch, that's cold.

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>>89719730
>>89719900

In all honesty it has nothing to do with being "jelly" there are people who put loads of time and effort into making great content but don't ever get into calarts / don't get hired simply because they didn't go to it.


This has nothing to do with jealousy, it's to do with people having a name stapled on their resume that screams "hey look i paid a lot of fucking money to go to this over priced university" not everyone can afford to go to calarts and some have to settle for less than super but that shouldn't mean you're instantly brushed off the hiring list simply because of the uni you went to.


Uni name =/= skill.

To be honest art colleges that try to teach one style are a cancer and need to be destroyed. Teaching to draw for a specific style completely ruins the idea of art and creates a shit environment for people who want to create new things.

Every time I see the CalArts style I just wonder how many of the animators can do actual object or human studies. Normally by looking at the cartoon you can tell if the animators know their shit or not.

>>89720155

>>89718429
>>89718583

>>89719841
There's truth to this, as there is very little animating in LA nowadays to begin with. People trying to get into the industry in LA have a better chance of getting a job in design, storyboards or backgrounds than as an animator, and should present their applications and portfolios accordingly.
Somehow I have a feeling that Calarts students are aware of this.

>>89720155
Sorry anon, can tell you from experience they don't teach or force students to draw in any one style.

>>89720471
No but the networks sure as hell do.

>>89719061
So is CalArts to /co/ the jews to /pol/?

>>89715509
> LOOK MOM I MADE IT AGAIN
no
you do not get to do this over and over faggot

>>89720529
So put the blame on the fucking responsible, otherwise you are being less than useless, you are not helping changing it.

>>89720529
Definitely, but that's because they're on the business side of animation and want to keep costs down. It more cost effective if the characters are easier to animate when the animation is sent out to Korea, since it doesn't take as long. But that doesn't have anything to do with the school, that's networks and executives who need to run a business.

>>89720529
But can you blame a school for that? How many Calarts grads do you expect are in that kind of executive position of power?

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>>89719768
>Honest to god this shit needs to stop, creating environments that are filled with the same students just seeks to promote what i call the "high school environment" which is literally just a studio filled with the same fucks and dont really get rid of them because they're all working together. I mean if you have people outside of just CalArt's, i bet my ass you'd get some better results instead of half this mindless shit we have now.


NO PROBLEM ANON! THIS IS WHY THE NUPPG WORKERS NEVER WENT TO CALARTS, AND THIS IS WHY SU CONTACT PEOPLE LIKE ZUKE!

It sure is a good idea!

No seriously, things are slowly changing.

>>89715934
It's not, though. Show runners say all the time how they get artists for their shows.

They just browse tumblr and shit for cool art and comics and email the people they like. If you want to board for Disney, just put your work where people can see it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB90iDxOcIg

With love, /ic/

>>89718583
MacFarlane went to RISD

>>89720843
Wow, she sounds bitter.

>>89720843
>>>/ic/2824935

>>89720791
>Rebecca Sugar gets hired for drawing gay Ed, Edd, and Eddy porn
>Alex Hirsch gets hired for drawing anti-Bush cartoons

So the more Tumblr you are, the more likely you get an offer, right?

>>89721063
Sure. Whatever, faggot.

>>89720843
This girl is a total narcissist, isn't she?

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>>89720843
The girl is being completely wrecked on the comments tho.

>>89721171
Looking through her videos, she sounds like how your typical /co/ poster would complain about the art industry, despite having never been in it.

But the difference being that she actually fucking draws.

>>89720979

Well i mean, i wouldn't blame her to be honest. The material that comes out of CalArt's lately seems fucking stupid compared to what she's drawn, the sketchbooks themselves are what ever but her art clearly shows fucking skill and knowledge.

This is the issue, CalArt's doesn't outline their standards and shit clearly and just slams on you. I mean you could be fucking picasso but they'd still shoot you down.

>>89721256
You're her, aren't you?

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>>89719209
>style that the Nine Old Men had developed with decades of experience and practice, and which was tailored specifically to the characters and styles they were doing
>problem being, young animators wanted to copy the Disney style, but lacked the experience of the NOM or the understanding of why they drew things the way they did

This has been a huge issue amongst artists ever since non-traditional styles became more acceptable. It's especially an issue in this age where people are so quick to copy Rebecca Sugar, Bryan Lee O'Malley, and most of all Sylvain Chomet. However, art institutions won't call it out since it makes money and keeps nepotistic consistency.

>>89715934

It's expensive as fuck 250k tuition alone for 4 years.

>>89720582
That's a good way to put it.

>>89721329

nah if i was i would've been typing in alot more yaoi dialect.

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>>89715509
Speaking of CalArts...

I recently discovered a tumblr post about this school and what I wanna know is that is this post true? I'll post all of it, its in 4 parts.

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>>89721768
theres that list again...

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>>89721792

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>>89721826
last one

So what do you guys think?

>>89721861
>Pen's a dick

It checks out

>>89718867
My experience is that a lot of [as] shows don't come from Calarts.

Granted, [as] won't let you down because of your alma mater, they'll let you down cause they don't greenlight fucking anything.

>>89721768
>>89721792
>>89721826
>>89721861


rofl there is literally no surprise about this at all. It feels like the more i read about CalArt's today the more im not so miffed about not being born in california and attending it.

Just how in the high fuck does this attitude get bred into people at that college? it feels like its basically feels like elitism 101

>>89715509

"CalArts style" is a style that animators are forced to draw because:

>Low or zero budget
>cartoons are 11-minutes shorts that only works with simple shapes design
>Cartoons audiences that 5-years-old kids that dont give a shit about design or backgrounds of solid color.

>>89715934
33% acceptance rate ain't bad, though with the tuition I don't know how anyone goes in it willing. Animation pays shit so you're gonna be in debt the rest of the life unless your parents are mega rich.

>>89715509

"CalArts style" is a style that animators are forced to draw because:

>Low or zero budget
>cartoons are 11-minutes shorts that only works with simple shapes design
>Cartoons audiences are 5-years-old kids that dont give a shit about design or backgrounds of solid color.

>>89721670
Tuition is like 40- 50 thousand per year, so like 160-200 thousand after 4 years. That's pretty average for private schools. After financial aid it's less than that, but the reason students say how expensive it is, is because CalArts financial aid isn't super great.

>>89721861
That list isn't too bad, but it's not 100% accurate. A couple of the movies (like Monsters vs. Aliens, Antz, probably others) had multiple directors but it just listed one. Also wondering why Tangled isn't on there, directed by Nathan Greno and Byron Howard? Sounds like the person interning had a shitty experience. I don't know about the whole first part since it's a lot of different ideas from one point of view, but it's shitty risk that people sometimes have to take to move to LA (for work or school). It'd be super cool if remote work was more viable, but might not make the best content. Illumination does a lot of out of office work and it doesn't work for everyone, and I think it shows in their movies.

As a creative (not animation, if you're wondering), there do tend to be main 'hubs' for your field.

Designers have to go to New York City, Chicago, LA, etc. to get more opportunities. Programmers have to go to somewhere like Silicon Valley or New York to really get a job. There's just no ifs, and or buts (and if you want to put a butt image after this, be my guest, it'd make my night).

I'm not saying it's ok, but I'm saying this is normal for there to be hubs.

What isn't ok is CalArts elitism. There are art/design schools with even more prestige in general and better placement rates.

>>89722562
>What isn't ok is CalArts elitism

It's non existent in the animation industry. It just comes from bitter fucks reading about it on the internet.

>>89722651

>Bitter fucks


FFS... these people are not bitter you dick licker. There are people who put time and effort into their shit only for CalArt's to consider them unworthy because they dont meet some stupid standard they've set that is super inconsistent. People bust their ass to get to where they are now and when you have shitters like CalArt's/CA students telling you that you suck and have no future, that isn't bitter. It's literally being a dick.

>>89722751
Have you considered that maybe your transcripts are shit or you wrote a dumb letter of intent? It's a universtiy, dude.

>>89722841
>thinking CalArts was this persons main school of choice

Riigghhhhtttt.....

Look, yes, a lot of people would like to go to CalArts for various reasons, good or bad. But remember, there are plenty of people who chose to go to different schools due to culture fit.

Culture fit, prestige and financial aid tend to the deciding factors for kids who go to school.

>you'd know that if actually went to university, like, even if you dropped out, dude.

>>89722841

Not all creative content makers have mind blowing transcripts. Letter of intent is never 100% mind blowing either.

Yes its a university but its a university that has resulted in a massive negative trend of most industries ONLY picking up CA students and disregarding the rest. The tumblr post from earlier highlighted something extremely important, we could literally have some mind blowing animators out in the world right now but because of the CalArt's cockblock they're most likely never going to be able to actually get a chance at it.

>>89722949

Thank you for also mentioning that, region, cost, etc all play deciding factors.

Not everyone can afford a 250k+ college rofl.

>>89715509
its an art school
basically its a hillariously overpriced "education" that lets its students do whatever they want while barely teaching them a thing about making good art, leading to an artistic game a telephone which has since ruined most artistic industries.
No one in the education system will call it out since they fear loosing money if they hurt someones feelings.

>>89721861
The unfortunate truth is that the entertainment industry as a whole is and will forever be rooted in LA, so naturally anyone born and or educated in California will have a natural advantage, unfair as it may be.

The best thing someone living outside California can hope to do is get their work out there and hope the industry comes to them instead of vice versa. The internet has made that easier than ever and given creators outside of LA a lot more power.

>>89722981
Just because it's an art school doesn't mean they have low academic standards.

You still have to take math class there.

>>89722751
This whole thread is full of bitter people it seems.

>>89723434
True

>>89723434
>>89723463
>>89723401

I see this has reached CalArt's door step and now the boot lickers are showing up :^)

>>89723434
>bitter vs honest

Bitter entails that CalArts did something to them, Honest entails that something is wrong in general and people are saying something

>sheesh, CalArts students, get the fuck over the fact your school has flaws like every other fucking school.

>>89723584

This is pretty much spot on.

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>want to learn animation on a somewhat professional level
>remember that i need to eventually sit down and force myself to re-learn how to draw because my form is shit

Maybe considering CalArts wouldn't be a bad idea, considering I only live about an hour away from Valencia.

>>89720694
>HAHAHA NON-CALARTS ART INSTITUTES ARE BAD BECAUSE NUPPG WORKERS NEVER WENT TO CALARTS AND PROBABLY WENT TO YOUR SHITTY SCHOOL
give me a fucking break, PLEASE.

>>89717608
Even as a kid, I never liked Ren n Stimpy.

It was custom made for my generation, and I still hated it. Before people claim youngfag, I'm 32 fucking years old.

John K was never good.

>>89717372
if you arent going to try and learn why go

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>>89717822
I haven't gotten any sleep for the past three days because i actually care about my fucking assignments.

You know why they get jobs? Because they work 5x as hard and make the effort of doing this thing called 'talking to people'.

You'd be surprised by the number of people that don't get shit handed to them. It's ridiculous and a little naive to think we have things handed to us like that so often because if that were the case. Just keep working and stop crying. Success comes to those that work hard enough.

>>89725795

Hey buddy

>I haven't gotten any sleep for the past three days because i actually care about my fucking assignments.

Yeah so what? If you haven't gotten any sleep thats poor time management on your part rofl. I had plenty of assignments yet managed to squeeze in 5-6 hours of sleep because i made sure to work on them every day rather than spread out.

>You know why they get jobs? Because they work 5x as hard and make the effort of doing this thing called 'talking to people'.

You'd be surprised by the number of people that don't get shit handed to them. It's ridiculous and a little naive to think we have things handed to us like that so often because if that were the case. Just keep working and stop crying. Success comes to those that work hard enough.


Here's the thing, when you're entire industry is based in 1 state of the US it makes it hard as fuck for others to get in on it. People in Aus/Nz do not have the fortunate luck that you do where you can just walk into a convention or some shit and bump into some developers and have a conversation that leads to a possible job offer. We have absolutely none of that here.

CalArt's has a 92% placement rate, tell me how the fuck is that not literally being handed to you? The remaining 8% easily could chose not to bother with going any further/pursue something else or go freelance. 92% is practically a fucking dream rating for most places.

Compared to the 40% something fucking percent we have, i'd kill for a 92% placement rating college like that at my uni!

The college has the most backwards ass selection process, literally you could be an animation god yet they'd turn you down over something incredibly minor.

It went from being something people could look forward to and aspire to join, to becoming an elitist snobshitfest which = instant job on your resume.

>>89726286

>You'd be surprised by the number of people that don't get shit handed to them. It's ridiculous and a little naive to think we have things handed to us like that so often because if that were the case. Just keep working and stop crying. Success comes to those that work hard enough.


that part is meant to be green text, it didn't go through effectively woops.

>>89725169
To get connections and a name on your resume.

>>89726286
As somebody who went to animation school (not Calarts) and has spent nights staying over doing my work along with most of my classmates, go fuck yourself.

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>>89719272
>"How long was your dress?"
Just fucking kill me.

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>>89726400

>>As somebody who went to animation school (not Calarts) and has spent nights staying over doing my work along with most of my classmates, go fuck yourself.

So what just because people have better work ethics they should go fuck themselves? Alrighty then.

>>89726414

>>how oral rape was even possible, whether she climaxed and whether climaxing was an issue when she'd been with her alleged rapist before.

QUALITY.

EDUCATION.

>>89726286
>Yeah so what? If you haven't gotten any sleep thats poor time management on your part rofl. I had plenty of assignments yet managed to squeeze in 5-6 hours of sleep because i made sure to work on them every day rather than spread out.
i don't think you realize that we have school work on top of portfolio work and all of that on top of our films. Ut's hard to get any decent sleep in.

i had no idea you were located in Aus/Nz. That's a completely different issue, but I empathize. i wish there was an industry back in my home town, but it's practically non-existent now since they moved everything out west.

Instead of looking at your 40% placement rate why don't you actually care about your own success.

I don't think you realize that there's 92% placement because the people attending care a lot about the work they do and force us to put ourselves out there. Stop using some other school as a scapegoat for your own insecurities and work. Talk to people.

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>50k for an education

Jesus fucking Christ

>>89717608

yeah but John K doesn't exactly have the best reputation himself

>>89715509

working in the animation industry sounds horrible to begin with tbhfam

>12+ hour work days
>shit pay
>higher ups always breathing down your neck
>shaky job security at best
>have to live in commiefornia

sounds way more fun to just live in a cheap area and work on passion projects in your free time as a hobby

>>89723928

If you have 300k sitting in the bank go for it

if not prepare for student loan interest to fuck your shit up

>>89726871
50k for one year of education at this place.

I went to community college for 3 years on a pell grant and somehow the school was able to suck about 27,000 dollars out of the government by the time it was over.

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The future of calarts

>>89728711
>higher ups always breathing down your neck
I think one of the attractions of the Simpsons has always been that they have a hands-off policy. Unlike most shows, Fox cannot dictate the content of the show and they're free to do anything they want, as long as they're on time, on budget, and comply with network content/censorship requirements.

>>89723306
>The unfortunate truth is that the entertainment industry as a whole is and will forever be rooted in LA, so naturally anyone born and or educated in California will have a natural advantage, unfair as it may be.

Butch Hartman grew up in Detroit in the 70s-80s. I'm sure his parents were rich Napa Valley hipsters.

>>89715509

>What exactly is this and why do people hate it so much?

Because it´s a example how Art & Humanities (the smaller segment of workforce) are glorified in American, when really society have a alarming shortage of STEM people.

For the average /co/ this is mostly anecdotal, but it's quite common for americans to have this weird fixation Art & Humanities, look everybody here want the next CN animators

>>89731917
You need a balance of both. The Soviet Union was a country based on a cult of science where the arts were denigrated or reduced to a tool of political propaganda. And that of course didn't lead to a livable society.

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http://president.calarts.edu/

Will he save the animation industry

>>89731371
Say, how did he get into CalArts anyway? Doesn't seem very affordable for a kid from the Rust Belt.

>>89715509
>Gumball
>Gravity Falls
>Clarence
>Star Vs
>Steven Universe
There's no such thing as CalArts style, they said.
This is just like in the 90s they said.

>>89715747

I thought that was tumblr.

>>89732756
talent(?)

>>89732756
Is there a graph somewhere that tracks the tuition price of this program? How much did it cost in the 80s compared to now?

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>>89732756

probably private loans like 95% of the students there

>>89723306

>anyone born and or educated in California will have a natural advantage, unfair as it may be

you're paying the same as anyone else, bar a plane ticket

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>>89732854
>Butt Fartman
>talent

>>89733108
Talent is subjective.

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>>89719424

Take a good look at the teaching staff and you will find out that a majority of them are part time and still in the industry.

It makes a huge fucking difference when the guy grading over your own work is also still in a studio and now has some names and a pseudo demo reel with your name on it in his possession. Students can suck up to the very professors in their classrooms for work and tend to often get it.

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>>89720088
>it's to do with people having a name stapled on their resume that screams "hey look i paid a lot of fucking money to go to this over priced university"

Isn't this true for most decent jobs?

>>89715509
unless you go here, the chances you have of getting into the animation industry are near impossible.

seriously, it's not just the whole artstyle that the problem stems from, it's the entire fact that calarts is the ONLY school for professional animation and if you don't enroll there your chances of getting even an internship somewhere are shit.

>>89721768
>>89721792
>>89721826
This is pretty much why just about anyone that writes about the place praising it likes to call Calarts the Harvard Law of Animation Education.

I have seen that tag so many times when reading reviews and articles about the place. The name carries weight.

Seth MacFarlane didn't go to CalArts, so...meh.

>>89722306
I used to really want to go to Ringling in highschool since I viewed them as the most amazing animation school around and they were actually close to where I lived.

Their acceptance rate was around 20% and the classes were really tiny.

But I never really hear about the place these days.

>There will never be a UK equivalent to CalArts

>>89733875
What would it be?

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>>89720843
>"If I were submit this, it would be rejected"
>That big 'I <3 Yaoi' sticker

>>89733033
Obviously, you've never left a region before.

For example, a kid leaving Rochester, NY is going to have a tough time in California. This is due to the cost of living being so much cheaper. Kids can rent apartments in Rochester for 400-600 dollars, depending on where they go.

Now in California, you're looking at 1000 for an apartment, or 2000+ for an apartment in San Fran.

And I haven't even touched on the notion of food and household needs. Food will probably have a 30% markup compared to Rochester, needs like toothbrushes that may have been 3 dollars for a 4 pack are almost 5.

It's a lot more than a plane ticket, it's a standard of living difference.

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>>89726367
This is it, my professors stressed this a lot. Like getting down in your face and making it as clear as fucking possible.

You put your shit on tumblr, you put your shit on linkedin, you email people, you go to their stupid events, you go to galleries, you take your ass to everything you would never once have any passing interest in just to see their faces and speak to them. Doesn't matter if it is someone who makes shit you would never watch, you go there and tell them it was the best fucking thing you have ever seen.

>>89722108
>they'll let you down cause they don't greenlight fucking anything
Good. Did you not see last year's pilots for [as]? Fucking awful.

>>89724202
I liked it, but it's really overrated.

I think it gets more credit for being subversive and outrageous long before any other cartoons marketed towards children were. That and the fact that John K's style is a rather unique riff on all those cartoons from the 60s.

>>89718867
I think it's more of a state on the animation industry in America than anything.

There's a lack of jobs, so hiring directors can be choosy as fuck; and given that they're probably flooded with tons of resumes, they'll naturally gravitate towards people they are familiar with.

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>>89734202
I remember once having this revelation, that this was the exact reason why they have so many benefits, concerts, dinners, and otherwise meaningless senseless get togethers of the Hollywood types every other night.

That it was not so much that nearly everyone in the entire film industry was just eternally mindful of the plight of every starving child and every dying animal. These things were just meet and greets for everyone hoping to get more jobs in the same industry. Directors met actors met producers met writers. And this was how they did it. Meanwhile also generating some scratch for a rainforest thing or two in there somewhere

It was like some kind of religious awakening when it all became clear to me.

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>>89734202
>that picture
You can't really get mad at people writing over graffiti. It's meant to be ephemeral.

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>>89734554
It's not just that, it's that someone drew a piece of shit face that's reminiscent of the lazy art style studio execs indulge in to please their wallets. On top of that, they drew over the art of someone vastly superior in skill as them - it's the same kind of gut churning you get when looking at the unfortunate simian-like smudge the infamous Jesus fresco turned into.

It is ephemeral, but the butthurt was kind of deserved.