what did they mean by this?

>>89711020

Season 3 isn't going to be as good as Season 2\1 because they intend to "toe" the line. It'll be too continuity heavy with too many sequels to episodes.

>>89711020
Season three will be all-sjw/feminism?

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4/10 edit, but 8/10 feet

feet is a pretty trash tier fetish

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>>89711020

OHHMMMMMMMMMMM SOO REAAADYYY

>to bad they will kill it with pro gay and anti trump shit

More Summer fetish fuel, please.

>>89711069
They'll add in an 'arch' nemesis whom Rick will fight tooth and 'nail'. The jokes will be 'corn'-y and the drama will make you feel like a 'heel'.

>>89711327
>on /comics and cartoons/
>not pro gay
We are all laughing at you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36qLcMmmtaE

>>89711565
Truly, this season will keep all of us on our 'toes'.

>>89711385
Seconded

>>89711565
>>89711628
It'll turn out looking fine, if this 'foot'age is anything to go by.

>>89711693
We need more to go on than just a few 'clippings'!

>>89711599
Comicbooks? More like commiebooks, am I right?

>>89711826
Well an upcoming full trailer is the 'sole' reason why I'm hype

>>89711077
Pls no. That's the last thing we need.

>>89711816
I've been here longer than you

>>89711077
Yes, gazopazopian females will conquest Earth.

>>89711816
god I miss 2009. I wish you right wing faggots would leave already.

>>89711816
that is a new thing

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>>89711816
I was here first before all these fucking stormfronters came and ruined everything. At least old anons did something worthwhile (shit on Scientology). It was EDGY!!!! but at least it contributed to making this shitty planet somewhat less shitty. All these nazi-wannabe 14 year olds have done is ruin Pepe and make vulnerable people's lives worse for no reason.

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>>89711020
>Beth and Summer feets
More like this

>>89712706
Plus they don't even want to be the little girl, it's pathetic

>>89711145
it's honestly the worst one out there. I've never met a non-severely autistic mongoloid who lives at home past the age of 20 with one

Pretty sad

>>89711816
>4chan
>right wing

Nigger, 4chan is neither right or left. It's wholly contrarian. It just swung right because there was a democratic president for eight years.

>>89712786
so is it gonna go full sjw now that trump has 8 years

>>89711936
That's just the pedicure this hiatus needs.

>>89712771
Nah, I live a pretty regular life living with my girlfriend of five years, I'm not a fucking sperglord, we both have jobs while she goes to school and I have plenty of friends.
I just happen to like feet. It doesn't mean whenever I see a woman's feet, I freak out and bend over to lick them. I just think they're aesthetically pleasing.

>>89711020
>a footfag episode

Kys

>>89712832
god I hope so

>>89712832
Not if Trump maintains low popularity.

>>89712832
Not full, just because there there will still be a lot of vocal people who say that's the right way to think, but it will start leaning that way.

It'll be interesting to watch the push back from ingrained stormfronters.

>>89712847
I'm sure none of the 'arches' won't fall 'flat'

>>89712832
Check again in 3. Go by what's banned on the biggest normie sites. That's an outlier of what you'll find loads of here.

>>89712832
I fucking wish. I would love nothing more for this site to go full faggot and usher in a new era of shitposting where you guys can't shut up about wanting to suck feminine dicks.

>>89713000
>it will start leaning that way.

Only if the general consensus stops believing that Trump is a horrible, xenophobic tyrant. Which seems unlikely. 4chan is contrary to society, not an individual.

>>89712960
That doesn't really matter when republicans control the senate and the supreme court, and considering any one of them could kick the bucket at any moment consider us screwed.

>>89713122
I'm not talking about impeachment, I'm saying that 4chan doesn't just react to a single politician. Supporting Trump is still a position that gets you funny looks. Once/If it becomes the norm to support him, and he's actually praised by the majority of people, that's when 4chan will turn. Because at its heart, the value of anonymity is the ability to say the things that you're afraid to say in public.

>>89712832
Not SJW, SJWs are rabbits who cling to imagined safe spaces. True Liberals hold the philosophy of fuck it, fuck everything, fuck you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdG6gUUasVk

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>>89711599
>We

>>89713113
4chan is contrary to the status quo, no doubt what that is will change sometime in the next 8 years.

>>89711020
Pretty sure I saw the original of this on DeviantArt .

>tfw no summer or mom tickling pics

;^\

>>89713398
Depends on the issue. I doubt racism will become socially acceptable any time soon.

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>>89712832
I never considered.

>>89713184
But what about Trump's plans to privatize the internet? Wouldn't that be a bad thing for 4chan? A site that thrives on disrupting commercial endeavors?

>>89713078
Feet.

>>89712832
>now that trump has 8 years
I'll be surprised if he makes it six months at this rate.

>>89713450
>alt-right
>caring about 4chan
>caring about the internet
>caring about anything that conflicts with their memes

lol

>>89713450
No one actually knows. The real, practical consequences of the current FCC head are completely unpredictable, no matter what anyone tells you on this.

Could be good, could be bad, but either way, 4chan will attack whichever option is most popular.

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>>89713488
I- I don't think I can top that.

>>89713567
i legit want summer to piss on my face

>>89713604
Yes Dan, we know.

>>89713567
i legit want to stuff summers face

>>89713634
if anything it'd be justin saying that.

>>89713650
Naw
Justin would be saying how terrible a character Summer, and the rest of the family is, and how she's just Jerry with a ponytail.

>>89713640
with what? breadsticks?

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>>89713567
i legit want Summer to plant her butt on my face

>>89713683
justin roiland said he wants to buttfuck summer

they had to rerecord an episode commentary just because justin went on a tangent on how he wants to fuck her

>>89713689
cakes, donuts, etc

>>89713340
>True Liberals hold the philosophy of fuck it, fuck everything, fuck you
You've brought tears to my eyes

>>89712832
>now that trump has 8 years
Do you think you were clever for not posting a smug pepe here, like we didn't see through this.

>>89711816
Only in /pol/

>>89712832
A competent democrat would destroy Trump in an election.

>>89713722
I think that was left in, although the thought that they had to redo a commentary and he still made another comment about fucking Summer is pretty funny

>>89711816
>4chan is a right wing website laddo.
Oh look, /poz/ is here to tell us it owns 4chan again.

You all bought gold passes and turned off your adblockers, right? Because "loudest douchebags" hasn't marked ownership on this board since /b/ begged moot to make the bad ponies go away.

>>89713722
But Dan is the pissfag.

>>89713829
>A competent democrat would destroy Trump in an election.
While this is true, a competent Republican would have done it first in the primaries.

>>89713868
sauce

>>89713877
Just less people in the primary would have done it.
The competent vote got split between like four candidates and the stupid redneck votes all went behind Trump.
That got him enough momentum to become the top runner which got him all the people that are too lazy to pay attention.

>>89712706
>shit on scientology

Fuck off newfag

>>89713877
>>89713829
>>89713956

I honestly think this is stupidly dismissive of what Trump did right. Hillary made a lot of mistakes, and so did many of his opponents in the primaries, but those were a lot of very well funded people with experts in their corners. Don't underestimate your enemies.

>>89712832

Only if Trump gets a second term, I guarantee you /pol/ will start to hate Trump after year 6.

>>89711816
>my favorite memes will last forever

Yes, yes, call the cyberpolice, fuuu, oppam gangnam style.

>>89712832
culture differs per board. /co/ has been called /co/mblr and other bad jokes comparing it to tumblr for some time now.

steven universe exploding in popularity both on /co/ and spreading to other boards didnt help.

>>89713986
It's hard to even focus on what Trump did right just because every week he said or did something that would have sunk any other politician. And just not royally fucking up used to be like 70% of the game.

I think a lot of his success had to do with how republicans have acted for the last four years.
Shutting down the government, and threatening to do it again. Basically doing as little as possible in Congress.
And not even holding a hearing for a Supreme Court seat for nearly a year. Which has set an extremely dangerous precedent.

Republican's don't hold all of the blame but under their leadership and lack of doing anything more and more people have come to view the government as broken. Which paved the way for an obviously nonpolitician candidate to even be considered.

>>89713704
she do got a fat butt

>>89714266
Heck, /co/ was "/co/mblr" long before tumblr was even much of a thing. We've had gay threads and "/co/ is love" shit years ago. I remember a thread from like 2008 or so that got derailed because someone called Cyborg from Teen Titans a nigger.

>>89712771
i wish i was as naive as you

>>89711327
people in china actually worship a banana

>>89711020
its going to suck and im going to have to fight against brindead fans like with adventure time or steven universe

>>89711020
Is it wrong to worship a MILF's feet?

>>89711020
What did they mean by this?

>>89714663
They mean feet.

>>89711020
Jessica or GTFO

>>89711327
That's a nice alter, can I worship at it?

>>89711020
>nail polish
ruined

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>>89711327
>>89711816
>>89712706
Man, how in the fuck did politics infected absolutely everything everywhere?

Holly shit everything is about politics now.

>>89714839
The jews brainwashed you murrican retards really good.

>>89714839
I blame the liberals.

>>89711599
You're the one being laughed at.

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>>89714863
I'm actually brazilian but this shit is around here as well. Most of my family leans to the left and watch left news channels 24/7, any mention of anything that leans to the right makes them freak the fuck out, can't even mention anything or else ill be kicked out. Some deal with most of my friends and coworkers, mention anything different from their point of view, being left or right, and a endless discussion starts and is all everyone talks about.

It is annoying as hell.

>>89714871
I blame everyone to be honest.

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>>89711020
Beth is for __________

>>89714972
abandoning

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>>89714839
It's "Bush Wins" 2.0, yet this time the losers are extremely vocal libtards and SJWs instead of sensible adults who understood why they lost.

They are incapable of shutting up. They lost fair and square. The voices of a few densely-populated cites could not drown out the voices of the rest of this huge country. The system works.

>>89714962
I do believe it's a product of some form of social engineering, and some group is benefitting big time from dividing people like this.

>>89712832

Might go dirtbag left so they can make fun of right wing and liberals.

>>89715031
KILL YOURSELF!

>>89715053

It's hilarious Trump won and people still found a way to get butthurt.

>>89712771
that's... specific.

want to share something?

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>>89714754
Holy shit, I'm not the only person who prefers natural nails?

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>>89715113
The colors never lie.

>>89711020
S3 will be shit and bury the show.
there will be a few good jokes, but development will be shit and they will try to be hip, like that shit of being shwift or something.

>>89715194
>That much of Alaska blue
I thought that was a deeply republican state

>>89715053
And don't realize his complete buttfucking of the Bush family is the reason a lot of people voted for him.

He said straight up Bush didn't protect shit at one of the debates. That's what got him my vote.

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>>89715335
Almost no one lives in those wastelands. Let me give you a comparison to somewhere people think of as depopulated, like Kansas...

>>89715335
inbred rednecks tend to stay out of the city, got it.

>>89715335
Caribou and polar bears vote democrat apparently

>>89715947
makes sense, since that's the only party that's trying to stop their habitat being destroyed. Or pretends to care about stopping it, at least

>>89714962

more and more people are looking into/getting into politics and these people are being vocal about it

it's good if you're interested in politics but bad if you're interested in anything else

>>89715053
You know, i actually kinda of agree. The butthurt is imense right now and i have no idea hownpeople ket politics get hold of their lifes like this.

>>89712685
>well over half a decade
>new

>>89714839
Because America is the most powerful and influential nation on the planet. And because America polarizes everything and acts in extremes. It's always all or nothing with those people.

the USA has had an establish status quo and it's being absolutely oblitorated by a newcomer who doesnt play by the rules. And they're going full damage control or in the offense. Everything, every outlet, every forum, every kind of media is now a tool to fight and preserve the status quo.

And as the status quo is being shattered in the USA, so is it being shattered in everyone influenced by the USA. As in everyone consuming US media. Which is everyone.


Politics in a democracy cant exist if there is no open discussion. Thats why freedom of speech, anonimity and actual conversation are so important.
As, of all people, Hideo Kojima (and I dont doubt many more did) predicted though, people retreat into their own little bubbles, their safe spaces, their echo chambers to just get everything they've held true confirmed. More interested in circlejerking than in having a discussion and being proven wrong.

I like to ask people why they think something. it doesnt explicitly say you disagree but it helps people reach a revelation on their own sometimes.

>>89716490
> people retreat into their own little bubbles, their safe spaces, their echo chambers to just get everything they've held true confirmed

I agree this kinda of shit ia fucking infuriating thouh.

>>89715053
>The system works

The system says the person with fewer votes is the winner.

The system is a laughable substitute for democracy.

>>89713722
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0tC2Vauo6bS

>>89717027
Too bad USA has a democratic republic.

As you can see on the map>>89715194 the majority of states voted for Trumph and thats what counts.

>>89717120
Majority of states, yes. Majority of people, no.

The whole "democratic republic" argument is a tired meme. I voted for Bush when Gore won the popular vote and I never deluded myself into thinking Bush was the deserving winner then, because politicians should be striving to win the votes of people, not geographic plots of dirt.

People > Dirt

>>89717027
>The system is a laughable substitute for democracy
I encourage you to read the Federalist Papers and hear the argument against democracy straight from the minds of the Founding Fathers themselves. The fundamental idea that the American government was built on was checks & balances of power, even the power of the people. The Continental Congress strove to establish a system of government that would work above the parochial interests of the locality and for good reason. The phrase "Tyranny of the Majority" was coined in their discussion for the possibility of a slight majority of citizens to be able to abuse the inalienable rights of the minority.

>>89717346
I've read the Federalist Papers and I understand their arguments, but ultimately disagree. Defending against "the tyranny of the majority" is a facile rationale for all the inherent principles of democracy it undermines.

I disagree with the founding fathers on many subjects, and if you don't as well, you're a relic of a bygone age. The founding fathers knew that their ideas would not be applicable forever, and wanted changes to be able to be made to the way things are run change was necessary.

>>89711020
>Can't discuss Kendrick on /mu/
>Can't discuss Star Wars on /tv/
>Can't discuss anything on /v/
>Can't discuss Rick and Morty on /co/

>>89717288
>deserving
The reason those rules exist in your country, and mine, is so that the little states don't get fucked. Imagine it being like a council of allied countries. The little countries wouldn't want to be in it if they didn't have enough power to accurately and effectively represent their people and interests, the same is true of states.
You're a legit fucking idiot and pop voting is for scrubs who think cities are the only places that matter

>the current discussion spawned form a picture of two fictional characters showing their feet

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>>89717476
>republics are shit
>the founding fathers were shit
>old ideas are bad
>my ideas are the right ones
It's time to tie the noose mate.

the electoral college is outdated bullshit designed to appease slaveowners so they would join the USA and make sure this country actually got to have a start.

>>89717521
Kendrick is a good musician but he went full fucking retard last album and never came back.

>>89717626
>all bodies of people have the same interest and therefore the majority of their desires should lead the collective
>a large collection of people have unified and live under extremely different circumstances and as such cannot be accurately conflated as one entity
>in such cases the majority of a subset will dictate the will of that collective as an entity and the majority of the enitities involved will have the say
It's not that fucking hard. The only person who's archaic is you. Either you have small nations with homogenous interests and interact with other nations ala Europe or you have a federation so that unique groups have their say and their interests aren't overshadowed by those who are unaffected by their issues.

>>89711816
I wish you could have been here for Bush administration 4chan. Kindly get fucked.

>>89717476
>inherent principles of democracy it undermines
I would disagree for two points:
1. The US was never meant to be a democracy so it cannot undermine principles which it never was suppose to embody
2. Choosing a president based on gross amount of votes empowers a small proportion of the country over the rest. Campaigning for the interests of geographically minor localities becomes incentivized instead of representing the 50 states as a whole.

> you're a relic of a bygone age
You're essentially arguing that checks & balances are 'outdated'.

>The founding fathers knew that their ideas would not be applicable forever, and wanted changes to be able to be made to the way things are run change was necessary.
They did and they created a mechanism for that change to occur. Amending the constitution was made purposefully difficult so that it would require widespread support to alter the rights enshrined in the document.

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Who keeps posting that fake shit all the time? Fuck off already. Jesus fucking Christ, every goddamn rick and morty thread is just couple retards spouting some stupid fake shit without any evidence and the whole thread of dipshits goes like "oh yeah sjw now, well fuck them". The fuck is wrong with you? How can you be so fucking stupid?

>>89717626
>is outdated bullshit designed to appease slaveowners so they would join the USA
You're thinking of the 3/5ths compromise. The electoral college was so smaller states like Rhode Island in particular would not be run roughshod over by more populated states like Virginia. In this way it actually took power AWAY from states with slave owners.

>>89717802
I miss old 4chan. We actually got out and did something. Hell, the old guard, if it didn't grow up and find value in existing outside the weeb-sphere, would do it's damned best to fuck Trump over for being a twat. Or maybe declare war on Putin and photoshop him into gay porn while claiming it was really him

>>89711020
Beth gained some weight there

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>>89717802
it's just contrarian edgy young kids.

all the 18 year olds here now weren't even double-digits during the bush days. even twenty-somethings of now were only edgy teenagers then.

>>89718012
You say that like it's a problem

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>>89712706
You called?

>>89711020
It means Joss Whedon guest produces an episode.

>>89714754
Nail polish is my fetish so I can't relate.

>>89717876
>You're essentially arguing that checks & balances are 'outdated'.

You've misunderstood the statement I made. I didn't say, "If you agree with anything the founding fathers said, you're a relic of a bygone age." I said, "If you don't have some disagreements with the founding fathers, you're a relic of a bygone age."

They are very distinct from one another.

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>This entire thread

>>89717537
>The reason those rules exist in your country, and mine, is so that the little states don't get fucked.

I understand the reason these rules exist, and I consider them to be undemocratic. Do you agree with 100% of all of the rules in place in this country? Didn't think so.

One person, one vote. Anything less means your vote or my vote matters less than someone else's based on where we live.

If you think winning geographic plots of dirt is more important than winning votes of actual living people, then congrats, I'm sure you're very happy with the outcome of the recent election. But your idea of a democratic election is still facile.

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I thought it was delayed due to censorship problems....again?

>And will the original family ever get rescued from the Cronin berg-verse??

>>89718860
>/pol/
>muh federation is ebil and outdated
I think you meant to post the tumblr gif

>>89717876
>2. Choosing a president based on gross amount of votes empowers a small proportion of the country over the rest. Campaigning for the interests of geographically minor localities becomes incentivized instead of representing the 50 states as a whole.

This is a non-issue. You say it "empowers a small proportion of the country over the rest", but it doesn't. It empowers a *geographically* small proportion of the country because those sections of the country are population-dense. Meaning they are only empowered by the actual people living there.

The *current* system (wherein smaller states get proportionally more electoral votes than larger states) empowers a small proportion of the country over the rest. Fewer people get more say in the outcome of the national election. That's empowering a smaller proportion of the country over the rest.

Again, you seem to support winning the votes of geographic plots of dirt rather than winning the votes of actual people.

>>89718919
Reminder, this is how Morty mentally sees Summer

>>89717537
Fuck you, stupid child. The entire country just got fucked because we gave retard farmers more powerful votes as a reward for being retarded farmers. You are fucking insane for defending that.

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>>89719020
Indeed, the guilt is think with this one...

>>89719021
>Fuck you, stupid child
Says the guy who literally doesn't care about the collective intersts of his nation. I don't think it particularly means much coming from you.
The nation did NOT get fucked and the reason you lost was because your candidate was a fucking corrupt loser. A more competant rep and you might have avoided the global right wing swing for another 4 years.
Further, given that the losers have decided that riot, assault and arson are appropriate reactions I think the state system works just fine. The city dwellers that act like petulant children should be less 'powerful' than everyone else.

>>89713829
>A competent democrat would destroy Trump in an election.
The DNC still doesn't realize what they've done wrong to lose this election and they're doubling down on all the shit that actually caused them to lose. I sincerely doubt they'll manage to come up with an opposition candidate that won't use the "Just call Trump a racist misogynist homophobe bigot without stating any concrete policies" strategy that tanked Hillary's bid since right now that's all they're doing.

>>89718792
In the context of an argument against the electoral college that statement comes off as calling that particular check on popular power as outdated and I would argue with the advent of mass communications its more important than ever to keep the handful of monied interests who own media corporations from being able to exercise decisive control over elections by influencing public opinions.

>>89718980
> It empowers a *geographically* small proportion of the country because those sections of the country are population-dense
The point being made is that these small localities have widely different interests than the rest of the country. Reducing an election to being able to woo these distinct areas throws the rest of the country, whose interests should be at least equally considered, under the bus.

The difference in opinion is that you think people should choose the president and I believe states should. The president should represent the country and not a slim majority of the voting population.

>>89719021
>retard farmers
Those 'retard farmers' grow your food, you immense dingus.

It's hilarious how everyone from the coasts talks down to middle america.

>>89713567
So you're saying that comment was a step above the rest?

>>89711816
pol cancer faggots need to be shot

They cant stop infecting other boards

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>>89713567
....I just want to legit pound a Summer holiday.

>>89719178
>In the context of an argument against the electoral college that statement comes off as calling that particular check on popular power as outdated

You're free to misinterpret the meaning of the statement; that is your prerogative. It does not change the fact that it isn't what I said.

>with the advent of mass communications its more important than ever to keep the handful of monied interests who own media corporations from being able to exercise decisive control over elections by influencing public opinions.

Of course you can do some moral grandstanding by saying "gotta stop the evil corporations from manipulating the vote!" Who could possibly disagree with that?

It doesn't change the fact that the electoral college didn't solve a problem with democracy; it replaced one problem with another. It undermines voter agency by making the presidential race about winning geography, not people. As if that were some foolproof, perfect method with no pitfalls.

>The point being made is that these small localities have widely different interests than the rest of the country.

And? "Some people disagree with other people" isn't an argument for empowering certain people over others. No matter how you try to rationalize it, you are ultimately advocating for disenfranchising millions of voters and empowering a minority to have a disproportionate say in the outcome of the vote. You can't disagree with that simple fact. You say you think states should decide the president while I think people should. And when states decide the president, people are marginalized, just like the small states were always afraid of.

"We shouldn't marginalize voters" is the exact argument people use to defend giving small states more say in the election. But the method of doing so (giving a disproportionate amount of voting power to a smaller proportion of the population) is marginalizing many, many more people than the other way around. People just ignore the hypocrisy.

>>89719178
>Reducing an election to being able to woo these distinct areas throws the rest of the country, whose interests should be at least equally considered, under the bus
Wrong. It equalises them. Without such a system their interests would literally go unattended. Is that what you're asking for? That only cities matter and that all candidates just shill metropolitan interests because fuck farmers and fuck people who don't live in cities?
I would reccomend that you kill yourself but the antideprressants you and your ilk are often on should be making that option abundantly salient on their own.

>>89719323
Now I think of Jerry with his hair down

>>89719233
I thought we answered the question of who paid the bills in America 150 years ago? Lemme recap.

>Dems (Feds then) become autistic and corrupt faggots
>Retard farmers get angry at corruption, push anger onto Mexi- ahem, Indians
>Get war-criminal faggot to run for president
>Somehow wins
>Hires even more corrupt and autistic people to run the nation
>Pushes out Indians
>Begins long line of Presidents being autists and letting slavery issue run rampant as inbred farmers try increasingly retarded ways to justify slavery
>Millions of Americans die in long bloody conflict, South burned to the ashes

But yeah, sure, digits and memes will help run the country because you're angry and you're the heroes of Western civilization, a concept that for some reason only becomes relevant around time periods when people want other people to kill/conquer people who don't look/act like them.

>>89719422
Yeah, okay. They're still growing your food, are they not? I fail to see how that's retarded.

>>89712786
Finally, someone gets it.

>>89719394
>partial (at best) throttling on particular high pop states
Versus
>the complete and utter irrelevance of issues of a vast swathe of the country
Quite frankly if you ever got your way I think there'd be a lot of cessation. If only Cali would scede, then there wouldn't need to be a drama.

>>89712569
seriously this. It used to be that saying edgy shit was just a means to an end, now it's political praxis for some alt-right fucktards

>>89713986
First mistake for Dems was picking Hillary.

Even beyond Bernie, they have a host of people who are qualified and don't have the baggage.

>>89714646

No

>>89719394
>You're free to misinterpret the meaning of the statement
If that wasn't your intention then so be it although I wonder why you raise the point in the first place if you insist it doesn't have a bearing on the immediate conversation.

I wouldn't characterize my statement as moral grandstanding as much as raising a legitimate concern. Undeniably public relations industries would gain power in the case of a popular vote, whether you consider that 'good' or 'bad' depends on your point of view.

>it replaced one problem with another
If you recognize the problems on both sides then why, in your opinion, is the popular vote superior?

>And? "Some people disagree with other people" isn't an argument for empowering certain people over others
The point I'm raising is that the electoral college at least forces the candidates to ACKNOWLEDGE the different considerations that different areas of the country have. I'm saying that those considerations are legitimate and deserve to be addressed even if less people have them.

>>89719399
Dummy. The localities I'm referring to ARE the cities.

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>>89716490
I always thought it was fucking terrible idea for everyone to consume so much American media, in my country it's not uncommon for people to consume more American media in general than our own, and all the shit that's happening right now pretty much confirms my fears.

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>>89718881
>One person, one vote. Anything less means your vote or my vote matters less than someone else's based on where we live.
didn't you hear? a retard farmer's vote >>89719233 means more than your vote, because they '''''''grow'''''' ''''''''your''''''' ''''''food''''''' and also elitism is bad mmmkay or something

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what the fuck happened to this thread

>system that allows Middle America to not get fucked over because whats in their best interest is different from whats in the best interest of big city dwellers
>this is bad and wrong and should be changed

I hate this country

>>89720270
I would argue that every vote counting the same is less important than having a stable & functioning government that's more resistant to the fickle & shortsighted whims of the majority

>come to /co/ for the first time because I just marathoned Rick and Morty
>turns out you faggots are just the same as every other board and will use every opportunity to talk about politics/trump

Fuck you

>>89720399
muh hurt feelings

>>89720465
>come to /co/ for the first time because I just marathoned Rick and Morty
From /b/ or reddit?

>All these fags shitting on foot fetishers

What happened to /co/?

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>>89720270
>>89718881
>muh vote
>being literally too fucking stupid and entitled to understand why the system is the way it is
Hahahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is The Federation Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Secede Your Territory From The State Like Nigga Become Your Own Small Scale Nation

>>89720433
I fully admit that Middle America is in a horrible place that was ignored for far too long, but if the system that stops you from getting fucked over allows you to fuck over other people instead it's not really much of an improvement. Hell, that system didn't even avoid that problem in the first place so what it is it actually good for?

At the end of the day if one citizens vote matters more than another than someone is getting fucked. The electoral college is a broken system.

>>89720592
>allows you to fuck over other people instead
Of the two options the federation and electorial college throttles votes a little and controls for state pop. The system you're asking for would literally make them irrelevant and never seen to ever again. Your state not getting its way all of the time versus literally removing any sort of power or representation from those groups.
But of course WA WA WA it's muh vote. Fuck them fuck the system, I don't have a solution but we'd better tear it all done now and wait in the rubble until I think of a new one.

>>89720485
From /o/ and /a/ mainly.

>>89720457
> than having a stable & functioning government that's more resistant to the fickle & shortsighted whims of the majority

But that's literally what we have now. Whatever your feeling on the Democratic party and Hillary may be she probably would have been the most stable predecessor for the 8 years that preceded her. Compare that against Trump who essentially got into office by claiming he would overturn every decision made by Obama in the last 8 years, with his own decisions likely getting overturned the moment another Democrat gets in, that's a very fickle and shortsighted system.

Not saying that I that the White house should be locked in to a single party for all eternity, but I don't really understand your argument.

>>89720688
>one thread is the representation of the board
>openly crossboarding
I don't need to tell you to stay out of /co/, you'll do that on your own now but if you could also leave /a/ that would be grand.

>>89713087
But there have been daily threads about wanting to suck feminine dicks...

>>89720765
>most stable predecessor for the 8 years that preceded her
>Obongo 'proxy wars and reworking the job stats to hide BAD numbers' Bama
>stable

>>89720765
This election was unusually contentious but the merits of the electoral college remain the same. You're equating stability with 'status quo'.

>>89719474
So at this point you seem to agree that neither option is an optimal choice.

Your point regarding
>the complete and utter irrelevance of issues of a vast swathe of the country

Again, the "vast swathe of the country" you refer to is the vast geographical area, not the actual populace. Once again I must reiterate my point that winning the votes of people should matter more than winning the votes of plots of dirt.

>Quite frankly if you ever got your way I think there'd be a lot of cessation. If only Cali would scede, then there wouldn't need to be a drama.

The problem with this perspective is that you basically don't like the fact that the majority of people in the country disagree with you. If they agreed with you on these issues, I don't think people would talk about "the tyranny of the majority" and "the democratic republic" quite so much.

>partial (at best) throttling on particular high pop states

You call it "partial (at best) throttling" because the high pop states disagree with you. If they agreed with you, taking away their voter agency by giving other people more voting power would be an atrocity of the highest order.

At the end of the day, it's marginalizing voters and undermining democratic principles by making one person's vote matter more than another's. Nobody looking at the issue objectively can disagree with that, because that much isn't a matter of opinion.

> Your state not getting its way all of the time

I don't give a shit about my state getting it's way all of the time, I'm for the majority vote getting it's way all of the time. What you're arguing is that the will of the American people should be ignored so that certain parts of the American people can have more say in government. If that's the argument than why stop there. From now on every black vote is now worth 10 white votes, it the only way they can really be relevant after all. That's fair right?

> Fuck them fuck the system, I don't have a solution but we'd better tear it all done now and wait in the rubble until I think of a new one.

Oh calm down you big baby, you got a lot of nerve going wa wa wa if you're going to respond that way. At no point did I say that we should just throw it out immediately. My first post was the one you responded to. I think the Electoral college is a broken system, I don't claim to have a 100% ideal replacement, but I think we can do better. That's how politics work, people argue over whether a problem exist or not and how to correct it.

>>89713488

see my post at the foot of the page

>>89719771
>I wouldn't characterize my statement as moral grandstanding as much as raising a legitimate concern. Undeniably public relations industries would gain power in the case of a popular vote, whether you consider that 'good' or 'bad' depends on your point of view.

Like I said, nobody can disagree that corrupt organizations controlling the vote is a bad thing. That's why it's moral grandstanding. You act like that point of view somehow makes your way of doing things superior to the other option, when neither option permits it more than the other.

>If you recognize the problems on both sides then why, in your opinion, is the popular vote superior?

Because it means that one person's vote and another person's vote are equal, regardless of the plot of dirt they inhabit. Fundamental principle of democracy. If you disagree with that, that's fine, but ultimately you're just rationalizing your decision that some people's votes shouldn't matter as much as other's.

>The point I'm raising is that the electoral college at least forces the candidates to ACKNOWLEDGE the different considerations that different areas of the country have. I'm saying that those considerations are legitimate and deserve to be addressed even if less people have them.

I never disagreed with the efficacy of the electoral college to make candidates pay attention to small states. The point I am making is that the method by which the electoral college does this is inherently undemocratic because it marginalizes millions of voters in the more population-dense locations and undermines voter agency by giving certain voters more say in the outcome of the election. Someone in Wyoming will always have more say in the presidential election than me, and that's retarded.

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>>89719233
>It's hilarious how everyone from the coasts talks down to middle america.

If by "everyone" you mean "random strangers on the internet", then sure. If you want to avoid mean people calling you names, find a safe space.

>>89721023
>plots of dirt
So you care only about majority democracy and not representative democracy? That doesn't work and if you cannot see why then I can take comfort in the fact that you're no where near politics

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. Without those states having power their interests would not be repressented. NEITHER candidate would care about them. Are you legitimately so far up your own ass that it's all about dichotomies? Further, I am not American but my country works on a VERY similar system in terms of State power.

I call it partial because it is partial. Your interests are still relevant and will be addressed. Just because 'muh vote' isn't as influential in the overal doesn't mean you get 'fucked' as you like to say. Again, the pop vote would literally make mid states redunant in terms of policy and thus they'd get to vote between to flavours of metropolitan policy

The system marganalises no one while reducing a few rather than outright fucking people

>>89720789
>crossboarding meme

Lmao, fuck off kid.

>>89720592
Someone end up being fucked over no matter what, but if you do the math, turns out it's better to fuck over just couple states, than like half of the USA. Called democracy. Rule of the majority and shit. There is nothing broken about it, it's perfect system for such big ass countries. Just get over it already.

>>89720686
>Of the two options the federation and electorial college throttles votes a little and controls for state pop.

You keep using that word "throttle" as if it somehow changes the fact that the electoral college ultimately undervalues certain peoples' votes while overvaluing others' votes.

Regardless of who you support, you should support everyone's right to have an equal say in the voting process. If you don't support that, you're ultimately just rationalizing your desire to disenfranchise millions of citizens.

>>89721102
>I don't claim to have a 100% ideal replacement
You literrally have no replacement to speak of. If you think pop vote is even near a reasonable proposition then you may never come close to a replacement.

The system is what the system is. It's only 'broken' when you add your own ethics to it and claim that it can be done better which you demonstrably cannot even begin to claim given that you've got no options that are even close to fair as an equivalent.

>>89721000
Then I'm not sure what stability you're trying to get out of the electoral college. How does the electoral college, the ability to subvert the popular vote, actually make things more stable? Is this just a 'the people I want will be in office' kind of stable, 'avoids Civil War II' stable or some other type of stability?

>>89721197
Nobody was interested

>>89721023
>Once again I must reiterate my point that winning the votes of people should matter more than winning the votes of plots of dirt.
This is an opinion based not on what's superior for the country, but on your own personal preference. Personally I'm suspicious of the average voter and don't see a restriction on their power as necessarily a bad thing for a functioning government. Democracy is a flawed system and fetishizing its values does not erase its inherent problems.

>At the end of the day, it's marginalizing voters and undermining democratic principles by making one person's vote matter more than another's. Nobody looking at the issue objectively can disagree with that, because that much isn't a matter of opinion.
Every time congress votes on a bill that you personally didn't vote on is 'undermining democratic principles'. America is not a democracy nor was it intended to be. Everyone's vote doesnt count exactly the same because America is a federation of states. The people do not elect the president and for an understandable reason. Saying "well I don't like that" doesn't mean that there isn't value in that system.

>You act like that point of view somehow makes your way of doing things superior to the other option, when neither option permits it more than the other.
A popular vote would undoubtedly place more power in the hands of institutions which can sway opinion. Insofar as that the electoral college is a check on the power of individuals & corporations from exercising even more influence on the electoral system.

>but ultimately you're just rationalizing your decision that some people's votes shouldn't matter as much as other's.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Democracy isn't inherently a virtue. It has virtuous aspects, but it's not immune from foibles. Limiting those flaws as much as possible while retaining the virtues is what the system should strive for. In this way I believe the electoral system does more good than harm.

>>89721293
>undervalues
No it values accurately. Single votes are to represent their state in a vote between those entities. There is no real equivalent for a vote in each state because circumstances are different and so are the interests represented. Bitching that there's lots of you so you're weighted less is meaningless.

>muh disenfranchisement
I support representative democracy and the right of the people to have their interests represented on their terms. Popular democracy is just idealistic tripe and like most ideals it needs some operalisation to actually function in reality.

Again to all the anti electorial college posters: Name me one fair equivalent for the college that allows for the diverse interests of all the many groups in the nation to have representation.

>>89721280
> but if you do the math, turns out it's better to fuck over just couple states, than like half of the USA.

But anon the thing you're ignoring is that if those couple of states can form the majority vote than they are "half of the USA" because that's where half the USA's population is. Which gets back to what the other anon was saying about prioritizing dirt over people.

>>89721248

>So you care only about majority democracy and not representative democracy? That doesn't work and if you cannot see why then I can take comfort in the fact that you're no where near politics

You've committed a false dichotomy fallacy. You're implying that we cannot have a representative democracy wherein everyone has an equal say in the electoral process, but this is not the case.

We have representatives in the house, representatives in the senate, and they're all *popularly* elected through districts which are drawn based on *population* every ten years after the census. The presidential election is the *only* major election in the USA which is not a direct, popular election.

>It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. Without those states having power their interests would not be repressented. NEITHER candidate would care about them.

You presume too much. You cannot say what would or would not happen without their electoral advantage because they've always had it. And newsflash: presidential candidates don't spend the entire campaign only visiting the most populous cities. The top 100 cities in the USA only account for 8% of the total population.

>I call it partial because it is partial. Your interests are still relevant and will be addressed.

"muh vote" is the fundamental thing that makes a democracy a democracy, representative or not. If someone else's vote matters less than someone else's, the system is broken, whether or not you want to admit it. "B-b-but muh small states" isn't an argument; it's a rationalization for marginalizing the people from big states rather than marginalizing the people from small states. At the end of the day you just support marginalizing a different group of people.

>>89720270

>Farmers are very low pop
>They are overwhelmingly pro-immigration
>They like being able to sell goods to open markets

Trump didn't win because of farmers he won because Dems couldn't stomach voting for Hillary, but repubs will literally vote for a retarded ape that promises to kill them as long as (R)

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>rick and morty thread starts with foot fetish bait.
>turns political

>>89713877
if Dems were competent they wouldn't have lost 1000 seats nationwide to Repubs over the last 8 years

>>89721495
>You're implying that we cannot have a representative democracy wherein everyone has an equal say in the electoral process
You already HAVE that system, fuck wit. Please understand reason before trying to fault logic with falacy. Babby steps.
>through districts
So homogenous areas with homogenous issues for the purpose of representing their groups interests? Geez whiz sounds like representative democracy, no different than electing college voters, you complete and utter dickhead.

>presume too much
You know too little. Politics is a numbers game the moment one single metropolitan demographic appears that's the battle zone. There are strategies for swing states and so on right now. If you aren't willing to accept that a candidate will play the numbers you're a fool.

Every one still gets one vote. You're the one trying to weight them by conflating all the states and interests.

>>89721458
>No it values accurately.

To quote your lord and master Trump: "Wrong."

It mathematically does not value everyone's vote accurately. It values them equitably, by virtue of shifting each state's voter's value based on a coefficient. If you live in a state that has higher than the mean state population, your individual say as a voter goes down, and if you live in a state that has lower than the mean state population, your individual say as a voter goes up. That is literally how the electoral college works.

>Name me one fair equivalent for the college that allows for the diverse interests of all the many groups in the nation to have representation

It's really hilarious to grandstand about representing "diverse interests" while simultaneously arguing that we should marginalize voters from popular states because they might not agree with the less popular states.

You don't have to have a replacement for the electoral college in order to point out that the whole of its pros don't outweigh its cons. It's antiquated, and all the "muh representation" rationalizing just boils down to you being okay with some voters being marginalized in the name of not marginalizing others.

>>89721197

Huh, didn't realize this was by him.

>>89712706
Pepe was already ruined by normies before it became a nazi hate symbol. This is a step up from that to be honest.

>>89721558
I blame Dan Harmon for this

>>89717950

what do you think the 3/5ths compromise was for?

>>89721629
>your lord and master Trump: "Wrong
>say multiple times that I am not American
>hur you're only against me cos Trump
This is what you've been reduced to. You make me sick and your 'ideas' about politics and government range from stupid to outwardly harmful.
>muh math
Except that's wrong. Your votes are all equal in terms of voting for a representative. Once you have been represented then it moves on to a different proccess. Conflating all the states and pretending you CAN do that with all the intersts and populations is fucking retarded. You can do it in a homogenous country but not a big one with massive differences. Are you fucking for real>

>>89721315
>If you think pop vote is even near a reasonable proposition then you may never come close to a replacement.
If we're going to have tyranny I'd rather have tyranny of the majority then tyranny of the minority. It's not an ideal replacement but the pop vote is better.

/pol/ is and has always been worst board, from its inception it was containment board, hell it even competes with /mlp/ for most maladjusted board and the influx of stormies just proves the point.

>>89721706

>Except that's wrong. Your votes are all equal in terms of voting for a representative. Once you have been represented then it moves on to a different proccess. Conflating all the states and pretending you CAN do that with all the intersts and populations is fucking retarded. You can do it in a homogenous country but not a big one with massive differences. Are you fucking for real

Except not because of the first past the post part. it's not like a state has 10 electors and 6 vote for the Dem and 4 vote for the Republican because of how the count went.

well i think Maine does it that way kinda?

anyway electoral college is fucked and needs an update and it won't happen until it screws Republicans as bad as Dems

>>89720765
the problem is most of what Obama accomplished was through executive order. that the next guy can just reverse them is one of the checks on the limits to their power.

>>89721682
Didya read the post you're responding to?

>>89721453
>This is an opinion based not on what's superior for the country, but on your own personal preference. [...]Democracy is a flawed system and fetishizing its values does not erase its inherent problems.

What a load. "superior for the country" is entirely subjective, and is your personal opinion just as much as mine. I'm suspicious of the average voter, but I'm not going to look them in the eye and say, "taking away weight from your vote and giving it to someone else is the *only* way to save you from yourselves!", because it's a garbage rationalization. Defending this antiquated system like a holy knight of the founding fathers just makes you look silly.

>Every time congress votes on a bill that you personally didn't vote on is 'undermining democratic principles'. [...] Saying "well I don't like that" doesn't mean that there isn't value in that system.

I've never once stated there was no value to the electoral college system. I completely understand the arguments for it, but I disagree that it is the right system for our country to use. I do not consider the whole of its pros to outweigh its cons, and that doesn't mean I "just don't like it". I find it to be a facile rationalization of the "defend the people from the tyranny of the majority" mentality.

>A popular vote would undoubtedly place more power [...]

This is a fallacy. The electoral college disproportionately grants power to certain individuals. It "undoubtedly places more power" into hands just like you're saying a popular vote would.

>You say that like it's a bad thing.

Welp, we're done here. If you ultimately are okay with rationalizing your desire to undermine voter agency and marginalize millions of voters at the federal level, then there's nothing that I can say that change that about you. Just know that ultimately you're okay with marginalizing one group of people in the name of protecting another. And both groups are citizens.

>>89721608
I think we're done here. Clearly you don't understand how democracy and representation are actually supposed to coexist. You only know how to take from one group and give to another.

>>89712771
I'm no foot fetishist, but last I checked, Tarantino's doing pretty well for himself in spite of his fetish.

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>>89712832
>>89712954
>>89713087

>>89721762
it will never happen period because it works the way it was intended to perfectly

>>89721706
so you agree that his whole point of a smaller population having more importance than larger ones is the better system?

>>89711020
Season two was mediocre. The show lost all hope when they tried to have a concrete overarching plot rather.

Would've been better had they just kept to the general loose plot line/parody format

>>89721706
>This is what you've been reduced to. You make me sick and your 'ideas' about politics and government range from stupid to outwardly harmful.

Good. I'm glad I don't have to share my awesome country with you. =)

>Except that's wrong. Your votes are all equal in terms of voting for a representative. Once you have been represented then it moves on to a different proccess. Conflating all the states and pretending you CAN do that with all the intersts and populations is fucking retarded. You can do it in a homogenous country but not a big one with massive differences. Are you fucking for real>

Oh dear. Sorry, I didn't realize that you were from one of those countries that doesn't know how to do math. My bad. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

>Electoral College:
>>The person with fewer votes from the people wins!
>Popular Vote:
>>The person with more votes from the people wins!

Lemme know if that's too difficult for ya; I can try to dumb it down a bit more.

>>89721756
Can you reason why that is the case. Can you explain why the loss of autonomy in its entirety is democratic? Can you explain how those areas with unique issues but without a population worthy of political interst will have their interests represented?

>>89721495
I don't see you bitching about the Senate, and it looks like you don't even understand how it works. California gets the same amount of senators as Wyoming, 2. Big states have more power in the House, but all states are equal in the Senate.

>>89721762
This is not the first election where popular vote has lost. Dems are not the only people who have lost in this fashion. You have to be joking.

>>89713087
That's the other shit thing about /pol/ becoming more mainstream and attracting the otehr kinda of faggot. deviancy in sexuality and interests is what 4chan was at its core. Hell it was a weaboo site for most of its existence and these days the boards don't even know who Yotsuba is. U get shit on for anything but know that as bad as ur fetish, lifestyle or whatever there is probably someone else on the board worse than you. The goal was never to really find like minded people but deviant minded.

>>89721898
I was talking about elections, dumb-dumb. Senators are directly elected by popular vote. Representatives in the house are directly elected by popular vote.

>>89721775
>This is a fallacy
Tell us how it's a fallacy. Reason it out, dipshit. Those who spout fallacies as though they understand them are often unable to make a reasoned argument and just use them for rhetoric and truncation.

>>89721798
Democracy is the right to vote for a representative and that representative to democratically interact with other represntative towards the purpose of serving the interests of their constituants, faggot. Pop vote removes people's autonomy and the system that garantees that their unique interests are seen to.

>>89721771

the south had a shit ton of slaves that counted as 3/5ths of people and didn't actually have representation because they couldn't vote so the south had an oversized percentage of the government. bc the house of representatives is made by population size. if Rhode Island has 100 people and Alabama has 100 people and 100 slaves. Alabama gets extra people in the House who aren't reflecting the population.

that dude's talking about the House and Senate separation.

>>89721956
I did reason it out, right there for you, after the word "fallacy". See the part where I said "The electoral college disproportionately grants power to certain individuals. It "undoubtedly places more power" into hands just like you're saying a popular vote would. "

That is the explanation as to why your statement was fallacious. I know reading is hard, but try to keep up, dear.

>>89721987
Every single vote in the USA is a direct, popular vote except for the presidential vote. Would you like all of these replaced with electoral votes as well? Explain why.

>>89721818
>more importance
But they both have attention to their interests. That is what is equalised. The 'math' is an impractical opperalisation.

>>89721894
>Can you reason why that is the case.
Because pleasing the majority is more rational then pleasing the minority.
>Can you explain why the loss of autonomy in its entirety is democratic?
Can you explain why the loss of autonomy in the minority is worth sacrificing the loss of autonomy in the majority?
>Can you explain how those areas with unique issues but without a population worthy of political interst will have their interests represented?
When it comes down to it, I'd rather have the issues faced by the majority recognized then the issues faced by the minority. Why should the minority have their issues recognized above the majority?

There's no possible way to defend tyranny of the minority. The only argument that I see in this thread, repeated over and over again, is that the minority should take the rights of the majority because they're the minority and they deserve the rights of the majority. And that doesn't quite parse.

>>89721924

i'm just thinking recent history where since Clinton they won the popular vote like every year but 04?

>There have been five United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote since the 1824 election, which was the first U.S. presidential election where the popular vote was recorded

John Q Adams
Rutherford B. Hayes (who struck a deal to end Reconstruction and start the Jim Crow era)
Benjamin Harrison
Dubya
Trump

>>89722037
Quite frankly, at this point, the other states should just secede. There's no point for them as an entity or their constituants and individuals to be involved in an agreement that doesn't benefit them. That would solve everyone's issues in this thread.

Because they're a smaller group they would be homogenous enough that pop votes wouldn't harm the individuals interests being addressed and the leaders of the smaller nation states would interact in a representative fashion.
Perfect. Too bad you guys don't realise federation is the perfect marriage of the two.

>>89719446
technically small farms don't do shit anymore and giant farm cooperation operating under slave contracts grow your food. Yes they also have cash in pockets in those states that go deep and they legitly don't give a fuck. They will plant a copyrighted plant in your field, sue you for the "lost profits" buy your farm, and force you to work for them until they can automate you out of existence and land. Small time America can't exist anymore with global economics exists as temperamental industry bubbles that will pop as it shifts, and stubborn scavengers refusing to leave piles of uninhabited dirt.

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God dammit, /co/.

Full agricultural automation will come soon, and I for one can't wait for the pig fuckers to be purged from the countryside.

>>89722205

Why do you hate small farmers so much?

>>89721894
> Can you reason why that is the case. Can you explain why the loss of autonomy in its entirety is democratic?

Not him, but honestly the sentiment in major cities from a lot of people is the feeling of a loss of autonomy by this election. What you're describing isn't the loss of autonomy in it's entirety even because your vote still matters, it matters just as much as anybody else. It's just that your vote wasn't the majority so it lost, you are a minority which brings us to your next question

> Can you explain how those areas with unique issues but without a population worthy of political interest will have their interests represented?

The same way any other minority group got their interest met while in far dire straights and facing active violence. March, protest, riot, make yourselves heard however you can, beg plead, demand, do whatever the fuck you want, but middle America isn't the first minority group to feel disenfranchised, they won't be the last, but they are the only ones actively getting angry that people think their votes shouldn't be worth more than other peoples. Like seriously, imagine if we had this conversation about any other minority group in America. Imagine trying to fight for the right for black, Muslim, or gay votes mattering more than any other, this site would greentext you into oblivion, as they fucking should, because that's a bad idea.

If racial sexual or religious minorities don't get greater representation for their votes in the election why should regional groups get them?

>>89722220
See: this thread.

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>>89722180
Where do you think you are?

>>89722236

>March, protest, riot, make yourselves heard however you can, beg plead, demand, do whatever the fuck you want,

So basically just have city states be the power houses of the US and say fuck everyone else who doesn't live in a huge metro/urban zone?

Well fuck that, and that is why popular vote is bullshit.

the president is just one part of the government, the shitty states would still have representation in the House and Senate

>>89722250
>thousands of years for governance to develop and grow
>representation of demographics settled on as it allows for their interests to be seen to and them not getting slighted by their union with other powers
>cityfag idealogue
BUT MUH VOTE SHOULD BE EQUAL (despite the fact it already is equal in terms of representation)

You guys should start a new nation under the sea. I'd be keen to see how long you can hold your breath. Hell make it a small state at the bottom of a lake, let's not get too fancy

>>89721775
What you're saying is 'i'm suspicious of the average voter but I believe they should be entirely responsible for electing the president even if it very conceivably means pandering to the narrow interests of a small number of highly populated areas that don't represent the majority of the people because it's by a small margin mathematically more fair' (remember that the majority of voters is not the same as the majority of people)

> I do not consider the whole of its pros to outweigh its con
The only con you've raised is that in some areas individual votes are worth slightly mathematically less because of the formula of representation used (even though all states use the same formula) and inveighed that it's a gross transgression against 'democratic values' when the only value that has is entirely subjective.

>he electoral college disproportionately grants power to certain individuals
The slight mathematical value of a vote from wyoming compared to california is nothing like the power placed into the hands of public relations companies if the race for the president becomes entirely a popularity contest. A popular vote inargueably makes institutions which sway public opinion more powerful than a race with the electoral college.

>If you ultimately are okay with rationalizing your desire to undermine voter agency and marginalize millions of voters at the federal level
What I'm OK with is a system which is resistant to abject power of majority rule. There should be a check on the power of the majority in the same way there is a check on the power of the executive or the legislative branches. You say 'marginalize' as if their votes don't matter, but the interests of the biggest states are accounted for either way. California still has most votes of any state at 55 even if on the individual level you can say it's worth SLIGHTLY less than a farmer from Wyoming whose state only has 3 votes.

>>89722180
I was really hoping for some new Summer fanart to add to my folder, but no such luck.

>>89722344
(remember that the majority of voters is not the same as the majority of people)

If the people couldn't get off their ass to vote fuck em, they got what was coming to them. Unless you're talking underage voters in which case do Middle American families actually make up a larger percentage of the population over all than urban families? I'm genuinely curious.

>>89722441
Technically in this last presidential election NEITHER candidate won a majority of voters. They were both under 50%.

In an election like that a popular vote values the minority more than the majority too.

>>89722305
> So basically just have city states be the power houses of the US

If they have the majority of the voting population, yep.

> and say fuck everyone else who doesn't live in a huge metro/urban zone?

If they're not willing to put in the effort to get their voice heard outside of their region, yes. You act like what I suggested is crazy somehow, but everything I mentioned is how far smaller minorities got a voice in government long before things went to shit in the farm belt. People with even less money, less power, who were barely considered people by their government or the majority of Americans used those methods to get recognized to a degree. But you're to good for that so instead the system should just be balanced in your favor because reasons.

>>89722491
See:

> If the people couldn't get off their ass to vote fuck em

Voter suppression is one thing, but the low turnout this election doesn't really gel with that. People just didn't care for either choice enough to actively make a decision either way. Which is fine, but it also makes any possible complaints with the country for the next 4 years feel a little more hollow if it comes from them.

>>89722628
>If they're not willing to put in the effort to get their voice heard outside of their region
What do you mean 'put in the effort?'
>But you're to good for that so instead the system should just be balanced in your favor because reasons.
It's not about being 'too good'. It's about a system which takes full account of each one its states and their own unique considerations. A popular vote forgoes the interest of MOST areas in favor of a few densely populated ones. What incentive does Montana or Wyoming or Idaho have to stay in a Union when they have no say compared to a handful of localities which know nothing about the issues important to them?

In the system we have now Californians still gets the MOST representation of anyone, but Wyoming & all those other small states still get to have an important role in the process that ensures that they aren't thrown by the wayside

>If they have the majority of the voting population, yep.
Ok but a majority of the voting population didnt EITHER. More people voted for someone other than Hillary Clinton than Hillary Clinton. If she was elected because of the popular vote then it would still be the minority enforcing its will on the majority.

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>>89711816
>>89712706
>>89714839

daily reminder. 4chan is unsalvageable because the majority of the website is newfriends who came here because of politics.

>>89723075
I am eternally mad that these are the same kids who go onto other threads and call other people newfags for saying that 4chan wasn't always about politics, because they've been here for one whole year and it's always been about that!

>>89714736
underbuttered toast

>>89723075
Came here for politics, but stayed for everything else. Y'all enriched me.

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>>89723124
Fuck are you gonna do about

>>89717027
The immigration problem being mainstage and part of the inequity of the electoral-to-popular vote is proof that raw popular vote cannot survive in a global society and should not.

i just wanted to come in here and half-heartedly tug my dick to any lewd discussions about feet that accumulated during the day, man

can't be doin with this

>>89723124
I was on here in 2007.
I remember /co/ masturbating to the guys on 6teen and the first Avatar threads.

Good times...

>>89712786
/thread

Beth is an alcoholic and thats hot.

I hope Summer follows in mommys footsteps.

>>89723075
The blame is all on the meaningless mods on all the boards. For example you will never find any politcal shitposting or frogposting on /a/ cuz the /a/utstic mods only care aboot that board as they love coddling /a/ssholes that triggers them, as ween seen them moive the Toonami discussion on here which I don't mind because /co/ is a board that will talk aboot anything no maatter where it is from with a small few that object to them becuse they are anal retentive wannabe back door mods. They will let any other board get infected with the /pol/ garbage but they sure do go into action when a pastel pony is posted as I have said before they love coddling and protecting autistic douhcebags like themselves. So the problem is not enfocing the board rules as the are suppose to but instead dicting what they personally don't like to be removed

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>>89715457
>that one dude jerking it to anal creampies

>>89722274
might as well change that to /v/, /tv/ and any board with a large enough userbase to get hijacked

>>89713829
>Competent Democrat
Is that a thing that exists?

Who here joined the Galactic Federation?

>>89723379
I remember when there was nothing here but threads about capes 24/7 for like half a year around 2009-2010

>>89723683
>federation
REEEEEEEEEEE why should moisture farmers on a desert planet's vote count more than mine

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>>89711816
Holy shit, this post triggered the fuck out of /co/

>>89723379
I remember when we still had raid threads on /v/...

>>89711069
>>89711565
>>89711628
>>89711693
>>89711826
>>89712847
>>89713078
I really fucking hate you, ROiland.

>>89724083
Leave Roiland alone!

>>89711816
>8 hour old post deleted
>didn't break rules
I'm sure that will stop the shit storm

>>89711816
4chan is literally the most politically neutral site on the fucking internet. Nobody here actually supports any agendas because all of us hate having shit change, for better or worse.

>>89714562
/co/ is still love to me anon, we just don't see it all the time.

>>89711020
Is it just me or do Beth and Summer look off model?

>>89714962
Britfag here, everybody in my country wants to talk about Trump and brexit but the completely ignore the draconian puritan shit our unelected prime minister is pushing through. The global turmoil right now is definitely a clever smokescreen to keep all the people occupied while something is going on, just wish I knew what. Pretty sure in about 10 years we're all going to wonder where our rights went.

>>89711020
This show has such an incredibly ugly art style. I wish we could stop with the "ironic" intentionally shitty art styles.

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We're BACK!!

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>the whole thread is boring political who gives a fuck tier
Serious dawgs? Fuck is wrong with all of you?If you want to discuss politics why don't you try every other discussion on the internet right now, this thread was created for a rick and morty season 3 discussion.

>>89727215
/co/ being love was the worst thing that ever happened to this board. It's fine in small communities but not in large ones where idiots make a lot of traffic.
The entire board has gone to shit in a real big way.

>>89727492
While you're right, /co/ was not a large community with lots of traffic back in early 2007. Threads could take hours to fall off the board and sometimes stayed up for days due to the sporadic posting. Which is why that shit caught on in the first place. Anyone who likely opposed it didn't give a shit because /co/ was an insignificant blip.

>>89727310
>Shad

No thanks

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not pregnant, no buy

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>>89727341
This chap gets it!

>Yes, yes, yessss!

>>89727341
I feel like I'll just avoid Rick and Morty threads for season 3. It'll just be a bunch of "reddit, sjw, tumblr" talk.

People are shitposting about a season they haven't even watched yet.

>>89723539
>straight gays

woah

>>89723539
Is pornhub owned by google these days? I feel like their obsession with sniffing people's data familiar.

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>>89713704
>>89714401
Good taste, brohams

>>89721164
S-source??

>>89711020
Out of all the feet in the world why would you fap to these?

>>89711020
This has to be fake/fan art

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>>89728271
Why not?

>>89728178
http://drimir.deviantart.com/

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>>89728525
Thanks, broski.

But no one has answered my question about if the original family will get rescued, sadly I've never read that comic>>89718919

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>>89715194
Hmm

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>>89719422
>you're the heroes of Western civilization, a concept that for some reason only becomes relevant around time periods when people want other people to kill/conquer people who don't look/act like them.
You're totally right Anon, the time for patriotism is for when our way of life is being threatened by those who refuse to abide by our Western values. I couldn't agree more!

>>89723075
This graph is stupid because all it does is illustrate the prevalence of phones in general. I Considering that there are a bit fewer desktop sessions than mobile sessions, I'm pretty sure it just means desktop users are also using their phones to get on 4chan. You could also consider that android and browser apps easily create new sessions whereas a browser session would probably stay open for a long time.

>>89711599
Reddit is that-a-way.

>>89729214
it's almost like living in lower populated areas creates a culture favoring one end of the political spectrum and living in highly populated areas favors engenders political views favoring the other.

>>89729586
Yeah, I know. So strange

>>89714736
pray at it, it's all banana god's, my friend :)

>>89714322
>And not even holding a hearing for a Supreme Court seat for nearly a year. Which has set an extremely dangerous precedent.
They were only able to do it by a precedent set by the democratic party before them.

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>>89729713
>Arnold is actually black

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>>89723075
When I started browsing 4chan in late 2012, I didn't notice the political bullshit until gg happened and everything went to shit. Trump winning just made the post quality worse on almost every popular board. Especially /v/ (though /v/ isn't that great in the first place).

I swear to god the people who go on /pol/ now are probably from r/The_Donald and just wanna feel superior for not using Reddit. At least some boards like /mu/ are safe from that shit for the most part.

>>89729982
his last name basically translates to black negro.

>>89729713
>see also: Schwarzeneggar
real talk, does that just mean double black? Also you could probably throw around "kaffir" in America and get away completely scott-free around the vast majority of people.

>>89714322
checked, and yeah. The awful part about Trump is less Trump himself and more what he brings out of everybody else. He has turned the left wing of the US in to actual blithering children. After seeing him weather four or five scandals that would have obliterated any other politician, it ruined all public decorum. It's like there was suddenly somebody who could just shit their pants and get away with it and after a few weeks of smelling his shit everyone else just went "fuck it, i'm shitting my pants too."

It doesn't hurt that you also had very very visible subsets of the left wing that emboldened Trump's first wave of supporters to explain away Don's shitty-undies as some kind of 8d chess tactic.

>>89730004
I accidentally an entire section of that last sentence but who fucking cares.

>>89730004
>4 or 5 minor scandals
>versus Clinton's fucking boat load of scandal some of which she was even investigated for with intent to charge with treason tier offences
>trump ruined public decorum
American's are stupid but ESPECIALLY the lefty ones.

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>>89729993
>Arnold is more black than we could of had ever guess.

>>89730004
the democrats have gotten away with all kinds of horrendous shit over the past 8 years, from the ever growing fees on the "affordable" healthcare act, possibly creating ISIS, bandaid solutions to actual problems, etc. The Republicans are just as bad but haven't had as much power to get up to shit.

Trump himself is mostly disconnected from the established status quo and is severely fucking it up. His perceived unqualified abilities + the childish behaviour on all sides shows you just how low the bar has been set by the existing governments.
The dems shitting themselves and throwing a giant trantrum has been how it's been for years now, it's only more visible now because they aren't getting their way anymore.

Trump has made a good deal of promises, many of which I dont agree with. But the fact he's actually upholding most of his campaign promises was unexpected. If he really has the best intentions for the US public I think he'll do alright. It'll be hard to do worse than the last 2 presidents afterall.

The sheer amount of corruption and collusion present in the government and the fact he wants to actually investigate and persecute people is a monumental step.

How long will it be until literally every discussion stops devolving into shitposting about Trump?

It hasn't been a month yet and I'm already dying.

>>89712706
Politics have always been a subject.
4chan used to be pro nazi.
Cartoons are for children.
I am not a Virgin nore am i gay or 14.
I support wah hitler did up untill they started invading other country's with unpresidented tactics.

>>89730354
Expansionism was over the line, yes. I wonder if it was zeal or whether it was made imperative by some external force.

>>89714266

Steven Universe and other awful cartoons like Korra should have a containment board. /co/ is comics related shit /wc/ western cartoons ie not comic book related. My Little pONY got quarantined so why not these other shit toons?

>>89732381
cause MLP was EVERYWHERE and made people have an autistic fit.

>>89717521

>Can't discuss normie shit on a site that isn't really for normies.

Duh

>>89717521

With your tastes you should be on reddit child.

>>89732381
phone user pls leave

>>89732436
rick and morty has always had a place in /co/ its just we are shit at discussion without actual content and don't like talking about old news.

>>89732473

Nah I'll do what I want you Steven Universe/Korra/Gumball whatever fago.

>>89714972
trapping in a loveless marriage

>>89732547
NO U!

>>89716490
>And because America polarizes everything and acts in extremes.
That's the Internet's influence and mainstream media worldwide is much more one-sided, leading to this extremism. It's made everything much more extreme, even arguing over food. It's an international trend. You can't blame America for all that.

>>89723075
>2011
Yay I'm not cancer.
I remember when a standard old fag was like 1 or 2 years after founding.
I miss when new troll face was the years big YLYL killer instead of that shitty ducking banana. I still don't get why people troll those threads, it's the closest thing to content /b/ has had in years

>>89718919
Is that from official comics? First I've seen of this.

>>89714001

Some Eurofriend on /pol/ charted out a pretty compelling 3-4 year scenario for total transformation, a little while back.

>>89711020

Fake tweet!

>>89730208

Hitler wept.

>>89717288
>>89717027
fuck off cityfaggot. go move somewhere that matters and try to make a difference. no one cares what your shithole city thinks

>>89721809
>the nose doesn't turn orange

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>>89729345
people from the middle east
>asians

>>89713497
>Says increasingly nervous democrat for the 10th time

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>>89717476
>muh votes by pure population

No. Follow me here:

Population density - 1 person per sq. mile. Very little human power to actually affect the world.

Population density - 500 people per square mile. Close to the balance for peak efficiency for actually having goverment and being able to AFF-ect any given policy.

Population density - 20,000+ people per square mile. You no longer have citizens. Functionally, you have hamsters in a cage. Every spare moment is spent trying to arrange food and water, clean up shit and piss, and gild their pretty cage.

The political opinion of people that live in these extremely dense population center should and DOES matter less than places with a sustainable population density.