Why is almost every superhero triggered (see what I did there?)

>>89683131
There afraid to admit that there methods for dealing with criminals are better then there own

>>89683131
On the point of view of the normal citizen, the only thing that avoid meta humans of getting the power and electing themselves as jury and executioner, is that they choose to respect some laws and have some limits.


"Might makes Right" is all good, until the "might" agree with you.

Also, no kill police wouldn't be a problem if the justice system of Marvel's and DC's universe wasn't written as unrealistically retarded.

>>89683131
because that's illegal and the people who do so are usually unstable

Because they see antiheroes as people who don't hold back and they are jealous that their moral convictions don't allow them to set loose like they do.

>>89683131

It's an allegory to how the kind of people who fantasize about superheros and the fantastic challenges they overcome react to real world issues and the real people who can solve them.

There's a certain hypocresy in the belief that all lives are valuable and worth protecting, even those of villains, no matter how many valuable lives are lost because of them.

There's also a degree of elitism in the caped world. The villains are always worth more than the nameless goons and victims because those aren't as worthy, they aren't part of the special costumed nobility which respects a form of knightly chivalry among them, they cannot defend or rule themselves with their mockingly ineffective and corrupt governments or even hope to enact justice of their own. The killer vigilante is obscene because he brings the noble superhero class to the same crude mortality of the civilian plebe.

>>89683131

Because most superhero's have a difficult time processing people like The Punisher. They are upset because they actually have to use their judgement to decide who is and isn't a good person, rather than rely on a boyscout checklist morality.

ITT: edgelords

>>89683131
It's annoying when superheroes look the other way for those guys.

>>89683131
Think of it from the perspective of a law-abiding superhero who cooperates with the local authorities. These people are lone vigilantes who, by all rights, shouldn't be enabled to continue fighting crime, but they're given a certain amount of leeway because whichever city they've chosen as their jurisdiction is usually better off with them than it is without them. The vast majority of heroes aren't in it to punish villains or to cause significant harm to anyone, really: they just want to help people. They want to protect the innocent from the lawless and they choose to do so in bright spandex with their spectacular powers. And yet there's still a degree of mistrust: they're not technically authorised to do what they do, and those who have been authorised often react with skepticism and even outright hostility at first. It's only through continually proving themselves to be acting in the public's best interests that these heroes are able to earn their stripes and cultivate a trustworthy public image that allows them to carry out their work without impediment. They form groups and coalitions and eventually they're able to do more good together than any one of them could have done individuallly.

And then this asshole comes along and he starts mowing down muggers and murders alike with little discrimination. He terrifies citizens, thwarts the cops and refuses to stop or listen to anyone. He leaves a bloodied trail of corpses wherever he goes and he paints every other vigilante in a bad light.

The man's a sociopath: he doesn't care about helping innocent people. He just decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.out of a personal vendetta. And every raid he conducts is just another scaremongering headline on the 5 o'clock news.

Why wouldn't the upstanding superheroes who do their best to play by society's rules ever tolerate the equivalent of the kid who sits in the back of the class and brings an AR-15 to school one day?

>>89683131
>triggered (see what I did there?)
I did and it was horrible because that's not what triggered means in the first place so the pun doesn't have a double meaning and is thus bad

and not like, carlos bad

just bad.

>>89683131

Because superheroes generally realize that the system in place is that they're citizens making citizens arrests and handing bad guys over to the courts for prosecution and whatever. They're not lawfully elected judge, jury, executioner, and to do so would be to circumvent the laws they're trying to uphold.

Antiheroes buck the system and instill fear in the common man, which turns public opinion against superheroes in general, which means with enough outcry, the gubbmint would have to do something about them other than a token of "effort" trying to curb the dumber/more violent ones.

tl;dr It just makes more problems for everyone if you go around trying to be Killfuck Soulshitter, Murdernator of Badguys.

>>89683131
Because you need a good reason to keep having their rogues gallery come back. Eventually, just having Magento just magically come back to life after being killed by the X-Men for the fifty billionth time loses it's credibility.

>>89684715

Don't have a rogues gallery. When a villain has served it's purpose, just retire them via jail/death/whatever makes sense for the story arc.

That way we don't get shit like The Joker, a guy too crazy to ever let live anywhere near as long as he has, but who no one will kill and somehow doesn't get the death penalty ever, in increasingly more ridiculously asspulls and scenarios where even people on his own "side" don't realize putting a bullet through his skull is doing literally everyone everywhere a favor.

>>89684808
Fair enough. But the Joker sells books and that's why they keep using him.

>>89684808
>Don't have a rogues gallery. When a villain has served it's purpose, just retire them via jail/death/whatever makes sense for the story arc.
Nah, fuck off.

Have some respect for the medium and stop trying to make everything "realestik" and "beleevable"

IF all you're interested in are pallid revenge fantasies, then just stick to the Punisher stories. Just don't read too hard, because even those call into question the ethics and morality of his actions.

>>89683131
You know, I understand when mutants don't want to kill anyone.

Nobody wants to be told that they are always going to be evil, there is no chance of reform or use, and you are better off dead.

That being said, I beleive in my heart of hearts there are some people that are better off dead, but it is a surprisingly low number of people compared to the actual crime statistic.

>>89684892
>Have some respect for the medium and stop trying to make everything "realestik" and "beleevable"

I never said it had to be that. I just said that you should recognize when a villain just isn't logical to keep around in any capacity anymore. See: The Joker, once again, as the prime example of a character that just needs to be shoved on a shelf for 20 or so years before being brought back again.

>>89683456
yeah so is everything else these "heroes" do. if they all followed the law they'd be in prison for life.

>>89684465
>The man's a sociopath: he doesn't care about helping innocent people. He just decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.out of a personal vendetta. And every raid he conducts is just another scaremongering headline on the 5 o'clock news.

That's a bit of a projection there.

Waging a war on crime will result casualties. Someone who is just being cold blooded, taking a pragmatic and sensible approach to solving a problem for the benefit of innocents, without the luxury of facing deadly situations unscathed, will have to make choices a superpowered person never would have to.

And as far as the public is concerned, all gang violence looks the same. Look at Mexico, nobody gives a fuck about horrendous criminals dying.

>>89684561
>Antiheroes buck the system and instill fear in the common man, which turns public opinion against superheroes in general, which means with enough outcry, the gubbmint would have to do something about them other than a token of "effort" trying to curb the dumber/more violent ones.

Which is ludicruous because organized, violent crime must be insanely high to the point of destroying the rule of law and the social fabric for vigilantes to be able to operate to that scale. People would be too busy being terrified of the criminal armies, roving warbands and guerrillas to worry about the vigilantes.

Look at Colombia in the 80's

>>89685035
There's stepping outside of the law to get things done and then there's actively going against it.

What most superheroes do is technically against the law, but the general consensus among the lawmakers is one of leniency since they get results and don't push their luck.

There's a major disparity between Spider-Man participating in what is essentially a citizen arrest and the Punisher splattering a man's brains across a pavement in pure daylight because he sold someone weed.

>>89683131
Because Vigilantees shouldnt hold the power to decide who lives and who dies on a whim?

>>89685046
>Look at Mexico, nobody gives a fuck about horrendous criminals dying.
>>89685046
They'd probably give more of a fuck if they knew those horrendous criminals were killed by a mentally unstable war veteran in their neighbourhood who also puts bullets in drug dealers, petty thieves and criminals who are literally already in prison serving time.

>>89683131
I guess it is just because he kills people. Taking in consideration comics in general it doesnt even make much sense to not kill the evil guys or get mad at people who do because they always fucking come back one way or another.

>>89685393

I guarantee you, there's no difference between them getting cut down by rival gangs and by a loony with a death wish for someone who is victimized by crime. The common person doesnt care what criminals were doing so long as they are threatening them and working to harm them, they're criminals, they are an existential threat to everything and everyone they love first, and people second.

A home invasion may or may not turn into a murder, as would a drug sale or just a bad encounter. People dont care about the specific condition of the random fuck willing to take their hard earned work and life from them, they arent going to shed tears for someone who would have most certainly killed THEM.

>>89684892
>respect for the medium

don't you mean respect for the genre? Or are you so deep into the big two that you don't realize that there is more than capes?

They're volunteer cops not volunteer cop, judge, jury and executioner.

>>89683131

>Putting the Spectre and Ghost Rider in the same tier as The Punisher and Red Hood

No.

The former are possessed by spirits of divine vengeance who are literally above the laws of men. The latter are just dudes pursuing their own view of justice by acting out their violent tendencies. Hell, the Punisher isn't even doing it for justice anymore, he's just a psychopath that uses his family's death to justify his sadism.