How do you feel about anime references in cartoons?

I stopped feeling awhile back.

>>89617322
You should probably see a doctor about that.

>>89617277
They tend not to be very smart or very subtle.

But then again, nothing about that particular show is.

>>89617277
I don't watch anime to even understand this reference OP.

>>89617277
I like references more than the average guy but OP's pic is fucking stupid. It shouldn't get to such a ridiculous level unless it is specifically a spoof/parody comedy show(which I don't think SU is )

>>89617387
It's from that one popular anime that's obscure enough so anime fans can pat themselves on the back for recognizing "homages" to it

>>89617521
Everyone and everyone's dog has seen EoE

>>89617521
Since this is 4chan after all...I'm going to guess..Jojo's bizarre adventure?

>>89617545
Not me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j38aX4JxINQ

>>89617521
Evangelion is a meme.

>>89617545
I haven't seen it and that's not changing anytime soon.

Only if it's a Jojo reference.

>>89617605
>>89617652
You don't belong on this website and you're breaking the global rule of being younger than 18.

>>89617277
>how do you feel about cartoons making references from other cartoons
I dunno anon, how do you feel when movies make references of other movies

nobody shits on the wilhelm scream

>>89617733
>doesn't like anime enough to see entry-tier anime
>is on a anime imageboard
Fuck off newfag.

>>89617277
When they're done well I like them.

Most kids aren't gonna know or care about the more obscure. Steven Universe is fine with doing stuff like Eva or Junji Ito references.

>>89617277
Every new animator that comes into the business references the culture they grew up with in some ways. Steven Universe has a lot of it, but I remember South Park references in the original Power Puff Girls. It's kind of a natural progression, you grow up and are inspired by some art form, so you get into that art form professionally and pay homage to what inspired you. Then hopefully what you churn out is good enough to inspire the next guy, and the cycle continues.

Anime references are just like any other references, fine if done well and not used as a substitute for comedy. Keep it to background gags, maybe the protagonist owns a game you played as a kid, or a movie plays on the TV in the background. Stuff like that. Simple, unobtrusive, but those in the know appreciate it.

>>89617277

I find it very dumb, like a battered wife syndrome, Otaku have a rabid hate for Western made stuff, specially cartoons, making "homages" to them is like telling your girlfriend how attractive those other guys are.

>>89617748

So this is why people say cartoon girls are ugly little shits? Why do cartoons even exist if Anime has already all figured it out?

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you got two flavors.

A

Every one thinks it's still the 1970s speed racer HAH HAH

B

We ripoff scenes whole for cheap nerd cred "LOOK AT THE REFERENCE"

Neither are very tasteful

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>>89617521
>Evangelion
>Obscure
Literally what? You have to be literally underage.

I like them usually. Maybe it'll get some people to check out what they're referencing eventually. Too many kids don't watch the classics.

>>89617958
>You have to be literally underage.
That's why it's obscure now.
We're old

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>>89617277
Like I do any other reference: feels good when I know where it comes from, but not much else.

>>89617627
Yes E;R we see you. You post this shit everyday.

I feel like every time I see an Akira reference I should shoot myself.

>>89618095
Pic related isn't a reference so much as it is a parody. The entire episode is based on episode V

>>89617799
This

The only people getting all up in arms about the references are the people who watched anime when they were younger.

>>89618095
>that whole episode that was a scene-for-scene recreation of the animatrix
man, knd was so based

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References are fun, but I prefer them more subtle.

It should never feel out of context or weird to someone who doesn't know where it's from.

Like, when MLP originally did a parody of the ending of Star Wars, the scene worked perfectly well on its own and as someone who wasn't all that much into SW, it was simply neat to find out about it later.
But then when they later get Fluttershy to try and scare her friends by hanging carboard cutouts of 90s anime, the scene does not really make any sense whatsoever unless you see it as the shameless anime shoutout that it is... It sucks because it's the Halloween episode and as such, you also get a character dressed in an anime cosplay in the background which is much less intrusive way of doing stuff like this.

And then there's Gravity Falls...

To sum up, they can be good but they also must meet some standard of execution just like any other part of making the cartoons, they're not above it all as some easy and perfect way to fill out time in an episode.

>>89620354
This GF made me actually cringe

>>89619410

name me every akira reference because that was a cool movie

>>89617958
It's mainstream obscure

>>89617627
You posted the wrong video again. it's this one you have to post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKpQ_FwoPAU

>>89617277
>pizza
Sugar confirmed thot

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>>89617277
What about cartoon references in anime?

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>>89620639
>>89620649
>Gainax/Trigger is a bunch of westaboos

Full story at 10.

>>89620649
>>89620709
I... I do not see the ref.

>>89620709
Post the one with Dipper and Mabel.

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>>89620778
>>89620709
Found it.

>>89620350
You have a link for it?

>>89617277
Japanese Anime Internationale strikes again. "And if you don't like this, you're baka."

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>>89620709
I mean, old anime referenced Star Wars, Star Trek, Terminator, Starship Troopers, Blade Runner and so on all the time.

If anything, it's the modern anime that is weird in trying to act as if anything outside Japan never existed.

>>89617545
Maybe on /a/, but they always have shit taste and I've learned to disregard any thing that they agree on as a whole

>>89617521
>One of the most popular anime on Earth
>Obscure

I mean in the same way sunlight is obscure to a basement dweller maybe.

>>89617277
I dislike references like pic related because it's not clever and the whole schtick is "Oh! It looks like that thing!"

>>89620734
The one I posted has squidward on the bottom left. I don't know what the other one was

>>89620964
Bottom right* wow I'm dumb

>>89617545
I saw 3 episodes and got bored. I'd rather watch berserk

>>89620354
Why do all Western Cartoon creators seem to be weebs and love anime? Star Vs The Forces Of Evil, SU, GF. The dame with the french

>>89617277
Anime is fucking trash. Fuck off back to your containment board.

>>>/a/

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>>89621049
>Why do all Western Cartoon creators seem to be weebs and love anime?

Why do fans of traditional animation love the only consistent source of it today?

Gee, I fucking wonder.

>>89621049
>why are animators fans of animation that goes beyond western cartoons
You're fucking dumb

>>89620734
>>89620964
Second one shows Rebecca Sugar and Ian Jones-Quartey. They got to visit Trigger since the westaboos there are big fans of Steven Universe. Takafumi Hori, one of their animators, worked on a SU episode as guest animator.

I think I've said this in another thread, but it's okay for one work to have references to other works so long as it isn't overbearing. Megas XLR had a lot of references, but for the most part they're kept in low quantity and pertain to the setting and backdrop. Almost all of them were about mecha, kaiju, and other /m/-related media.
With Steven Universe I'm noticing innumerable direct references to a wide variety of series, including but not limited to Yoshi, Usagi Yojimbo, Sonic, Tiger-Man, Eva, Mazinger, JoJo, FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Junji Ito horror stories, Akira, Dragon Ball/Z, the list goes on. Some episodes are using reference after reference after reference, and for many of these references it's simply copying them scene for scene. It's starting to get a little too much and, although I will say that the show at least makes sure they don't look out of place within the flow of the episode, I would like it if they did start toning them back down.

>>89621284
This, anybody who disagrees is a contrarian faggot or an ignorant of the subject.

>>89620380
GF is cringe tier and pretty lame dull show by the way tbqh. Nothing to see here.

>>89617545
I finally watched it for the first time earlier last month. I can't even quite put it into words how much I loved it and how I feel about it.

>>89621460
Name any references they've made in the past 10 episodes.

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>>89621049
Maybe because anime is fucking based as fuck.

>>89621354
Nice one. But you have to know it to spot it.

>>89617277
I prefer refrences to old books like the iliad or the Divina Commedia. Makes the creator look educated and intelligent

>>89623198
Why not just check out the entire list yourself instead of asking someone to do work to try and disprove your intentionally vague rebuttal?
http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/References_in_Steven_Universe

>>89624609
And there's nothing from the past 10 episodes, which only supports my point.

>>89617277
SU references are entry-level stuff, showing how dishonest and post-ironic the the whole thing is.
Maybe the next generation of people won't be fragile enough to have to use several layers of irony to express themselves.

>>89625528
Nobody wants to reference whatever obscure garbage you consider to be advanced-level anime. You fucking /a/ fucks call FLCL and Excel Saga entry level when it's literally impossible to get all the references without having watched anime for years and have a passing grasp of japanese language and culture concepts.

>>89620350
That was a really fuckin good episode. They made it fit into the story perfectly.

>>89624729
>SEE? I PROVED MY POINT, SU HASN'T HAD REFERENCES IN 10 EPISODES OUT OF 100, THAT MEANS IT'S NOT EXCESSIVE!
>MY SHOW IS GREAT DON'T INSULT IT EVEN SLIGHTLY

It's still a long fucking list, tard.

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>>89620639
or movie references

>>89620916
/co/ doesnt have any better taste in anime than /a/

>>89617521
>>89617545
I mean, it fucking aired on Adult Swim. That's the casual anime stamp of approval right there.

>>89621059
Seems like newfags woke up

>>89626747
Untrue. /a/ has literally the worst taste.

>>89626638
Way to misinterpret my argument.

>>89620991
You mean read?

>>89626114
I would not call excel saga entry level. I mean most of newfags dont even know what it is

>>89626784
/co/ only likes what ever toonami had

>>89626860
And atleast /a/ doesnt try to act like they know anything about animation unlike in /co/

>>89626860
Toonami had some good shit though.

>>89620639
Didn't Yuuri do a South Park thing too?

>>89626860
And Slayers. /co/ loves Slayers. To be fair everyone loves Slayers.

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>>89619410
i love every motorcycle slide reference, they never get old.

>>89626992
I actually did this in real life once when somebody cut me off on the road. Then I fell down and my bicycle slid under a moving truck.

I actually managed to stick my leg between the tires, grab the crossbar with my foot, and swing the whole thing out as the truck was turning in front of me, which would've made for an awesome anime scene by itself.

>>89617277
Lazy and obnoxious

>>89626860
I fucking love Hamtaro.

>>89626902
Yes, they had a short scene of a kid fan in Cartman's clothing.

>>89617545
I have to admit, seeing this pic posted over and over finally got me off my ass to watch Evangelion.

Amazing.

>>89626860
Don't forget about those fucks who compare 5 episode OVAs from the 90's to current TV anime

>>89617277
a mixture of fear and disgust

>>89626898
Sure but there was alot shit too

>>89627475
Ironically I thought the Bubblegum Crisis remake was pretty good. Toonami should get that next.

>>89627316
>>89627594
Lol.

>>89626860
this. /co/ has entry level taste.

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>>89627766
Entry level t hings are entry level because they're popular. They're popular because they're good. If nobody likes your stuff enough to tell other people, it's probably bad.

Also bullshit.

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>>89627887
>They're popular because they're good.

>>89627978
Except nobody likes this trash. If it's on every fucking day for seven hours it should be pulling more than 1.3m but it isn't.

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>>89626860
I'll admit to this. I've been here for ten years and I never really got into anime until last year. It's been amazing going through all the things I've never seen before.

>>89626891
That much is true. It's a bit off how people are even more ignorant of the basics of animation.

Fuck, even storytimes are foreign to them.

Still, where am I going to get two dragon girls in a slice of life in /co/? Nowhere, that's where.

>>89628713
I have never heard of this and it looks pretty awesome.

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>>89629030
It's not an action show, don't be deceived. It's about cute dragons (who can admittedly destroy the world in a blink of an eye).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08lVDTld_Vs

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>>89620709
>>89620792
>>89620639
I'm just glad Gainax is pretty much dead at this point and Trigger shows always flop.

Westaboo anime studios annoy me to no end.

>>89629156
Neither was Nichijiou, but it was sure as fuck better than Lucky Star or MGM

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>>89629323
>Trigger shows always flop.
you fucking what?

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>>89620822
It's funny because my friends never saw the animatrix before this episode.

Their faces when I showed them the source material was priceless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c-yPu1lIo

>>89629447
Their only show that doesn't have awful sales.

>>89629447
KLK flopped and wasn't popular.
Get over it weeb

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>>89629410
I just don't want to oversell something and have people get upset.

If they're going to give something a chance, they should at least know what they're getting into.

>>89629466
>my friends never saw the animatrix
How old are you?!

>>89626788
Way to not have one.

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>>89629481
>weeb
>Kill la Kill

That show is one of the most niwaka friendly anime out there, weebs don't really like it because it relies too heavily on western styles in both animation and plot development.

>>89629501
to be fair i didnt watch the animatrix until about 5 years after it came out.

>>89629501
Now? 20. I guess I was lucky because I had a weird set up that would air about 3 hours earlier than they were supposed to in my region. So when the network would say they'd air something at midnight, I'd get it at 9. As a result I saw all kinds of shit that was meant for the adult viewers.

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Step back folks, five star anime coming through.

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>>89629629
Sorry, wrong pic.

>>89629641
We're not using the IMDB scale here.

I'm just fucking with ya

>>89629641
>amagi
>good
The last good anime Kyoanus did was Hyouka.

>>89629551
>>89629625
My friends and I pirated that shit on ADSL back when it first came out. We spent the whole summer getting hyped for the third movie.

Great, now I feel old.

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>>89629678
Every KyoAni anime is absolute kinography, your enjoyment depends solely on your tastes since they have a wide range of shows for each major genre.

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>>89629808
K-On gave me feels that I didn't think were possible. It fucking blew me away; was not expecting that at all. Hibike! Euphonium was fantastic too, though not nearly as good.

It's weird how we can't get shows like this in the US. If it's not a child's cartoon or some raunchy Family Guy clone, it doesn't get made.

>>89629959
I can't imagine anyone liking Hibike that wasn't in school band. Its just bland.

>>89630174
thespian club looser. I loved it. an amazing technical work.

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>>89630174
I wasn't in a school band and I loved the first season. If followed a basic but very well executed Hero's journey. You don't need to be a band geek for the themes in that show to resonate with you.

S2 was weaker since it followed an arc pattern and focused less on Reina and Kumiko, but still great, except for the first 4 episodes.

>>89629625
So I'd say I was about...7-ish when I first saw the Animatrix. Horrified, disgusted, and intrigued all at once by the Second Renaissance.

>>89629030
Looks is about all it has going for it. just visit /wsg/ once a week and watch the webms

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>>89630350
Comedy is top notch, it has heartwarming moments and subtle character development. When will you retards understand that KyoAni shows aren't just moeshit? Don't judge a book by its cover. Maidragon is objectively the best anime of the season.

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>>89630174
I've never played an instrument and I thought the first season was fantastic. I think the second one tried to tell too much with too few episodes to do it properly, and that Kyoani should've expanded on the source material, but overall it was still good.

The music alone made the show, but the story and pacing were top notch. Plus the girls were 11/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umVEWBoMTh4

>>89630530
Actually, what is the western equivalent of Hibike! Euphonium? Initial D? How about Evangelion?

What are we doing with ourselves if not art?

>>89620354
>>89620380
>shameless beat-for-beat reference to scene from Evangelion
>rebuilds
Just kill yourself Alex.

>>89630412
>Maidragon is objectively the best anime of the season.
Not hard considering this season has been trash

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>>89631725
Eh?

>>89617277
Get back to your containment board
>>>/a/

>>89631725
Maybe my taste is shit but I really like it
>ACCA
>Rakugo
>Konosuba
>Maid Dragon
>LWA

>>89631964
/co/ is the containment board in this case anon.

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>>89630412
>When will you retards understand that KyoAni shows aren't just moeshit?

They also made that one mecha show.

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>>89631964
Oh look, it's the fun police.

God forbid we actually talk about animation here. Here, let's all bitch about capeshit for the 4,189,795th time.

>>89617277
It depends if they're any good or not.

References are one thing, outright memes and stolen bits are another.

>>89630174
What? As a consistent band geek through high school and college I found it annoying. Way too much drama for a fucking high school band. All that dumb shit about the upperclassman not practicing pissed me off consistently.

I think it might be a cultural thing though. In the US high school band was for fucking around and going on the band trip. Anybody who actually cared about playing did all county/state/region.

>>89632404
>In the US high school band was for fucking around and going on the band trip
sounds like your school was full of shitters who didn't care.

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>>89617322
>tfw no feels

>>89632457
Oh it definitely was. There were maybe 20-30 kids who actually knew what they were doing, and the rest were there for the easy A.

But the thing is unless your a dedicated arts school, you either have to not let anybody in unless they really know what they're doing, or let people in even if they're lazy and shitty. And in my opinion being more inclusive with students is better just because it allows them the chance to learn music, even if it brings down the overall ensemble. The system of having the high school level ensembles be more open while letting serious players go to extracurricular ensembles I think works pretty well.

>>89617277
The cringiest part of SU tbqh.

It's also a dead giveaway that the creators don't care about actually making stories and just want to project their own childhoods on "the new generation!" as if it's cool or validating.

>>89630591
Anyone?

>>89617277
I feel like Steven Universe relies too much on them and its one of the reasons the show is crap.

>>89631977
>LWA
It feels like the Cartoons I used to watch on here with /co/, but can't because most of them are either on endless hiatus or 10 min clip memes.

>>89617277
Anime is just a word used to describe Japanese animation (cartoons).

Animé is a French word which translates to animation. Therefore any animation (cartoons) made in France could also, reasonably, be referred to as anime.

Anime and cartoons are the same thing. The only real difference is their region of origin.

Therefore, your question could be reworded as
> How do you feel about cartoon references in cartoons?

>>89635837
The show is crap because the format doesn't let them tell actual stories without going into multiple episodes. That and they're constantly behind schedule or underfunded or what and release episodes haphazardly.

I don't actually think it's bad, I rather like it, but it's being suffocated by the format and they really need to step their game up and meet some deadlines.

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>>89620915
Fun fact, the Gundam was originally meant to be all white like Stormtroopers from Star Wars, but the higher ups wanted it to be colorful like a Super Hero so it would be more kid Friendly.

>>89626992
The TMNT 2003 series had one in the opening IIRC.

>>89619410
The light trails were gorgeous. I wish more people copied that.

>>89634823
For Hibike, maybe As Told by Ginger but with no romance.

>>89617799
>Junji Ito references.
I need to see this one. I fucking love Junji Ito but can't stand SU.

>>89617277
"Disgusting"

>>89620709
is that Rebecca and Ian???

>>89623198
Blue pearl is pretty much just rei

>>89629466
sauce of that gif?

>>89628133
Kids like it. But kids like anything aired 9 hours a day, so

>>89617277
Try hard at best.

Cringe facepalm at worst.

Americans just don't truly understand Japanese writing of anime that hasn't been defecated by "localization".

>>89621354
>SU sucks at animating fights scenes.
>Either robotic on one speed with no momentum or cartoony weightless
>See that fan animated GIF of how it should be if animated by Japanese animators instead of fucking Koreans or tryhard tumblrinas
>They finally get a Japanese animator
>They had to go with TRIGGER
>FUCKING TRIGGER
>OVERRATED DIET KEYFRAME ONLY CHOPPY SHIT!
>He only does a couple of sequences.
>The actual fight scene STILL is Korean shit.

IF ONLY THEY GOT THE ANIMATORS FROM MADHOUSE or the ones who worked on CCS or the ones from the 80s

>>89629323
>Trigger shows always flop.
>KLK a flop
>implying LWA is going to flop

Nice memes.

>>89617322
Dennis?

https://youtu.be/ksJpuznVJFM?t=15

>>89627887
But Princess tutu isnt popular

>>89628713
/a/ has storytimes too not as much as /co/.

>>89617277
>Usually the callbacks are way to broadcasted and not subtle.
I always enjoy the more subtle references shows can bring but when it's a frame for frame reference or they are doing everything but winking at the camera I just get turn off thinking they are either trying to hard to look cool or trying to win the audience with nostalgia.

>>89629520
>niwaka

tumblr spotted

/a/ loved KLK back when it was airing in 2013, only later did the hipster cancer begin bitching once it finished airing

>>89617277
They're ok. Steven Universe overdoes it with references though.

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>>89617277

It's actually a reference of a reference.

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>>89617545
I hadn't seen it (until very, very recently), but I could identify the references.

Hell there was a fucking EoE reference in MLP for fuck's sake. Two actually, although the other I can't post.

>>89642857

Kill la Kill has always had a polarizing presence on /a/ due to the "Trigger saves Anime" meme, which started before the anime even aired.

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>>89620350
the knd second renaissance was ultra based
>they actually predicted the end of the full metal alchemist comic a year ahead of the reveal

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>>89629156
>Fafnir
>not a dwarf

>>89641950
>OVERRATED DIET KEYFRAME ONLY CHOPPY SHIT!
But Little Witch Academia anon

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>>89643573
>Hell there was a fucking EoE reference in MLP for fuck's sake.

They're more like generic Evangelion references rather than EoE.
GF or SU did a full-on scene for scene reanimation of the weird shit happening in EoE.
...and conveniently left out all the good parts like the madman-tier quality animation of the fight between Asuka and the mass produced Evas, easily the best point of what is not even that great a movie.

>>89641950
>Madhouse
>Not Bones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VopWPhozmNw&t=23s

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>>89644268
I swear about 70% of EoE's budget went to that mech fight.

>>89644268
must be SU because I don't recall a single Eva reference in GF

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>>89617277

Not much, I prefer video game references.

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>>89644447
The whole start of the Weirdo-calypse is copying EoE.

One could say it's just reaching but not that long afterwards you get this.

>>89617277
I don't watch SU.
What is the context of this?

Does he choke her