Well?
>>89609062
Because he's superior to the other Rogues in every way. Also
>dat physique
>>89609373
>he's superior to the other Rogues in every way
Agreed. He should have led.
Top did nothing wrong.
Who'd you like better on Johns' Flash run, Kolins or Porter?
>>89609430
>Top did nothing wrong.
Wasn't he a fucking girl?
>>89609551
DELETEDELETEDELETE
>>89609430
You. I like you.
>>89609551
Only in the TV series, which is inferior.
>>89609487
I can't decide. Porter when it came to Top though. Hated Kolins' design for him.
>>89609487
Both have their ups and downs. Porter's style can be weird sometimes but at other times he does beautiful art.
>>89609487
Kolins is probably my all time fav Wally artist
>>89609624
I'm not a fan of the straitjacket look myself. I talked to Kolins last year at a con and he admitted that the design was maybe a bit too much.
>>89609062
>Silver Age to New Earth: Top and Golden Glider are a couple
>New 52: Golden Glider and Mirror Master are a couple
>CW: Mirror Master and Top are a couple
So I assume DCEU or whatever other version of the characters will have them be in a threesome right?
>>89609603
But Ashley Rickards isTop tier.
>>89609062
Johns used to be really, really good.
>>89610011
She's okay, and I hope she'll get better. I just wanted to see Roscoe, that's all. Especially because there's no recognizable version of him in the comics either.
>>89610011
She looks so normie.I hate it.
>>89610249
Well, I liked the green and yellow colour scheme, and the stripe look of her skirt. Don't know why they made her a blonde though (Ashley Rickards isn't blonde), and Golden Glider a brunette.
>>89610449
I spent most of the episode looking at Mirror Master and thinking his suit was a size too small.
>>89610011
Can I make a lewd request?
>>89610613
I think a lot of people did. They might need a bit more work.
>>89610636
I dunno. Buy me a drink first and we'll see where things go.
>>89610613
It was, and I think that was the point. They wanted to give them some visual and audio quirks since they're supposed to be leading the Rogues now.
So Mirror Master has undersized suits and a shifting accent, while Top has her stripped skirt and her juicy boobies.
Top thread?
Top thread.
Didn't Top try to dig up Iris's body to possess or something to traumatize Barry?
Shit that's like Eobard tier insanity.
>>89610011
>Flip Top's gender
Ok
>Dont give her the spinning powers
Stupid
>Essentially make her Count Vertigo
Why are CW writers so shit? We go through 2 Vertigos on ARROW, both who amount to jack point shit on the important scale, and suddenly decide the ability is fine for the Flash show? Fuck that.
>>89610939
Best couple.
>>89611062
Yeah, although we don't actually know why he did it. He's not quite right in the head.
Whatever happened to Turbine? Wasnt he supposed to be Top's replacement in current comics? Has Top shown up at all? If not, the current Flash arc would be a good place to start
What I like about The Top is that he's one of the few people that can one-up Barry in a particular Speed feat. His rotations are so fast that even the Flashes were wary of tackling him head-on. And meanwhile, his intellect vastly increases so you have a villain who can fuck your shit up if you get too close whose also gaining more and more tactical insight and analysis.
>>89610729
No, I mean a request for a lewd Top x Top draw.
>>89611213
Turbine hasn't been seen since the Gorilla Warfare arc, and yeah, he was supposed to be Top's replacement. During Venditti's run we got a new Roscoe Dillon who was kind of an adorkable teenager...it'll be interesting to see if/how DC decides to reconcile him with pre-Flashpoint Top.
>>89611248
Well said. Plus when you add his psionic and vertigo powers into the mix he's pretty fucking formidable.
What's the extent of Top's powers again? How exactly does he pose a threat to Barry?
>>89611439
he can spin around really fast which gives him mind control powers because Comics!
>>89611439
>How exactly does he pose a threat to Barry?
>How exactly does he pose?
>>89611439
He spins at super-speed, is extremely intelligent, has telekinetic and mind control powers, and can induce vertigo in people. So basically he's a smart fast asshole with psi and vertigo powers.
>>89611539
Not to mention he had a giant-ass top that was a nuclear bomb.
>>89611539
Oops, and I forgot to mention that he still exists after death as a ghost who possesses bodies to live again. He hid out in Barry's dad's body for several weeks and lived with him.
>>89611439
I think of him as an inertia driven version of Mr. Negative.
>>89611477
>>89611539
So its more fucking with your head than hitting him Tasmanian Devil style? Ok
>>89611638
That too, though that falls under the 'smart asshole' category because he built it himself. He built all his tech himself, including launching his own satellite into space.
>>89611747
He does both, depending on the situation I guess.
>>89611747
>>89611833
>>89611371
I wish the Top got more exposure as a Flash nemesis. He's pretty great.
>>89611876
I hate that design.
Am I the only one hoping that Top is the one running Black Hole? The symbol and that variant cover with Flash falling into a vortex is very Top like.
>>89612470
Yeah, but he's generally unloved for some reason. Even a lot of creators don't seem to like him much, and I don't really know why.
>>89612515
It's not the best, yeah. Mostly I don't like it because it doesn't make any logical sense when you really think about it...the hanging stripes, the emblem on the chest, etc.
>>89612523
There's an interesting idea. I'd like to think so! I'd kind of hoped so when they were introduced but it didn't seem like he was connected so I gave up that hope a while back. But you never know, especially because they're coming back.
>>89609062
He's the Top. And you wish you could be the Bottom
>>89612741
Well I wouldn't complain....
>>89612381
Perfect
>tfw no Lego Top
>>89615495
How'd you make Heat Wave and Mirror Master?
>>89615530
Mirror Master looks like... a Hydra goon and an X-Wing pilot?
>>89615530
Heatwave:
>Collectible Minifigure Space Miner body and legs
>Grey arms/hands
>White helmet and white goggles
>Space Miner's gun works well as a heat gun.
>Head inside is some crazy expression with a gold tooth that I thought looked decent with him
Mirror Master:
>HYDRA Thug head
>Some Star Wars rebellion solder body from way back in an old Snow Speeder set
>Two gun thingies I had lying around
>>89615644
Good eye, close. >>89615648
>>89615495
I'd kill for the Rogues to get a Lego push like the Batvillains have been. You can get an official Captain Boomerang minifig now too.
>>89615495
Anon that's fucking tight.
>>89615648
Awesome. I made a Piper a while back but don't have a green cape lying around or a proper face with glasses.
>>89615747
I have him! I forgot to put him with muh Rogues. Silly me.
>>89615753
Thanks! I have pretty limited minifig pieces but I do what I can. Just in case you're unfamiliar, it's worth noting that Captain Boomerang, Trickster, and Captain Cold are official figures, and I only made Heat Wave and Mirror Master myself. Trying to make a Top but he'd look pretty shit. Golden Glider too.
>>89615807
Lemme see? I'd love a Pied Piper.
>>89615974
Nice collection!
You could always paint your own minifig to make the Top. I guess that'd probably be the only half decent way.
>>89616099
>paint your own minifig
Nah
>>89615974
Couldn't find a face so here's Snart as a placeholder. Hood is from a hobbit set, body is from a Lego City or Spies.
>>89616450
Forgive my sideways phoneposting
>>89616450
Noice!
>>89616450
Awesome.
>>89616450
>Her brother
>dressed as her Boyfriend
Top really is Eobard tier. He just wants to fuck with The Flash for the sake of fucking with him.
>>89616704
Piper isn't Glider's boyfriend though
>>89616735
But why? Is it ever explained?
Identity crisis
>>89611109
*sighs*
Poor Count Vertigo . . .
Top is the best Rogue, prove me wrong.
>>89616825
>this is his greatest moment
He exists to suffer, but I love him so.
>>89616785
He probably got bested one too many times. That and some superiority complex since I think he was from a well-to-do family.
Meanwhile Eobard was some uncharismatic shut-in Flash fanboy who got jilted by his idol.
Still, they're both crazy as hell.
>>89616892
>"HE EES COLD ZE COUNT BECOS HEES FIRST VICTIMS HAD TWO INCISION MARKS ON ZEIR NECKZ LIKE ZE VAMPIRE...."
Please kill me, anon.
>>89616851
He's definitely one of the more powerful Rogues like Mirror Master and Weather Wizard.
>>89616785
Not really. We know that he's obsessed with proving himself to be better than everyone due to some deep-seated parental issues, and that's almost certainly a big part of it. If he can fuck with everyone then he's shown how smart he is and much better than they are.
>>89616851
Can't be disproven because it's true.
Remember when Top tried to become Vice President with the extremely anti-gay guy as his running man just to spite Piper? Fucking great.
>>89617192
Pictured: Mike Pence
>>89617164
>posted the wrong image
>>89617225
>tfw you realize Geoff Johns really is kind of a hack
>>89617192
I think it was more that he was playing to Piper's fear of homophobia to manipulate him into killing Cartwright. He basically says as much.
>>89617192
comics are good
>>89617298
Eh, I think it's fine. Johns made him so completely unlikable that he was due for a little bit of sympathy.
>>89617408
It's not that. It's just that the dialogue was lame-o.
>>89617465
Well, he was pretty fucked in the head there, and was clearly very depressed and full of self-loathing. That was after Zatanna had mucked with his mind and he felt supremely guilty over all the shitty things he'd done in his life, so I think some melodramatic dialogue is to be expected. The guy essentially committed suicide a few days later, so he was pretty fucked up.
>>89616140
What about making your own sticker designs? My bro does that.
>>89609487
Porter definitely. His colorist was so much better than Kolin's. Also Porter's lines were cleaner.
Anyone have any recs for Mirror Master?
>>89619022
Johns' Wally run.
>>89619031
Thanks
>>89619022
Mirror Master I (Sam Scudder)
Flash v1 #105, 109, 119, 126, 130, 136, 146, 155, 161, 174, 219, 239, 241, 243-244, 254-256, 292, 306, 338-342, 347, 349-350
Flash v2 #64
Secret Society of Super-Villains v1 #1-5, 15
Batman v1 #388
Detective Comics v1 #555
Flash/Green Lantern: The Brave and the Bold #2
Mirror Master II (Evan McCulloch)
Animal Man v1 #8, 17, 21
Flash v2 #105, 125-129, 133, 166-169, 183-188, 212-213, 217-225
JLA #10-12, 15
Checkmate v2 #5-6
Green Arrow v3 #54
Rogues Revenge #1-3
Blackest Night: Flash #1-3
Doesn't include post-Flashpoint stuff.
>>89619107
I got some decent post Flashpoint stuff for Scudder
Forever Evil: Rogues Rebellion
The Flash Rebirth #15 (read 14 for the intro, when issue 17 comes out that's the end)
>>89619107
Looks like you wikipedia'd their appearances. Very lame of you
>Forever Evil: Rogues Rebellion
It sucked.
>>89619563
Rebellion did suck but Scudder is very important there. It's a less shitt version of Countdown that Piper a Trickster got.
Besides, what other important shit did he do post-Flashpoont anyway?
>>89619624
Scudder in particular is very bland and crap in Rogues Rebellion though.
>>89619563
I did not Wiki their appearances. I have a massive fucking collection of all the Rogues' appearances in digital/scanned form and own most of their appearances in paper form. I collated a list of Rogue recs for /co/ and Tumblr maybe a couple of years ago. Took me most of a weekend.
>>89618108
Nah man. 'Sgotta be official Lego parts
>>89611248
>>89611371
>>89611539
People complain that the Flash is too hax, but look at his villains.
This thread proves how much of a threat The Top is. Even when he isn't full-out psycho, Top can seriously fuck up Barry, Wally, or Bart on a good day.
Anyone else remember Rag Doll originally being a Flash villain? He can seriously cause damage without being in the vicinity of a superhero. He can hypnotize and control a whole crowd of innocent civilians to do his evil bidding or even as human shields.
Everyone knows how people with trans-dimensional application can be nightmarefuel like Mirror Master. But what about Folded Man?
Shade has all sorts of nasty tricks that can catch a speedster off-guard.
Abra Kadabra? That dude can theoretically annihilate the entire JLA and JSA line-ups if he tapped into his full magical potential.
Mister Element/Doctor Alchemy? Most definitely.
Imagine if these Flash's villains went full-out evil mode with no punches pulled back. That would truly be terrifying enough that even the Rogues would try and help the Flashes.
>>89609373
>>89609430
He is to good to be with the Rogues in the first place.
>>89609506
But he didn't.
>>89611833
>Top oraoraora barrage
>>89617565
>Top became an hero
Damn it ;_;
>>89624067
The problem is, like any Flash villain, Flash could just run over at lightspeed and knock him the fuck out before he could even formulate a thought.
Shade and Abra Kadabra get a pass because they're basically bullshit incarnate but everyone else who isn't a speedster should be a joke.