Can we have an inspirational Captain America thread?

>>89597195
Would it not be better to outlaw undesired ideals and to allow those who disagree to leave if they refuse to conform?

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How about a sexy one?

>>89597195

What's up alt-retard, feeling threatened for real? Watch your back at the next rally!

>>89597260
Outlawing that behavior will just make people who get punished for it look like martyrs.

Everyone should be free to spout opinions. As long as they aren't harming anybody we should be civil and ignore them.

>>89597260
Who will decide which ideals are outlawed? You? Me? A democratically chosen representation of the people? The current political landscape in the United States is extremely divided and it would differ greatly depending on which person you ask. The ideals and values of a people also change over time. 100 years ago, LGBT rights and gender/racial equality would been undesirable ideals. You cannot set this in stone.

>>89597195
>some /pol/tard went through 70 years of captain america to try and find at least a single frame that didn't involve cap punching nazis and defending freedom.
Sad!

>>89597260
>Would it not be better to outlaw undesired ideals
No. Who decides what "undesired" means? Today you might be on the right side, but tomorrow things might change.

>and allow those who disagree to leave if they refuse to conform?
That's implicit, I guess. If peoplw don't like the way thongs are, they're entirely free to just up and leave. It's childish, but it can be done.

>>89597347
You don't even need to ignore them! Feel free to engage them in debate or shun them from spaces you control if that's what you want.

But being the first to instigate violence against someone who is only talking makes you the bad guy.

>>89597443
>It's childish, but it can be done.
Like all the famous people who were shouting they'd move to Canada if Trump won?

>>89597454
Did anyone leave?

>>89597463
Not that I know of, unfortunately.

>>89597485
actually....

>>89597195
Even Extremist Muslim and SJW ideas?

>>89597530
Yes. Even the ignoble ideals.

>>89597530
yes. They can say whatever they want.

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Don't mind me. Just being best Captain America ever written.

Violence is onlu necessary in self defense imo. If a nazi is just ordering a coffee then don't punch them, if a nazi is beating up an innocent then punch him, it's not that jard of a concept.

>>89597541

It's like any day now, someone's going to burn down a Buddhist temple because it has DEM NAZI SYMBOLS EVERYWHERE.

>>89597613
Like a few months ago when someone burned down a black church, graffitid swastikas and pro-trump slogans on it and it turned out to be a black guy who supported Hillary?

And then the police decided the crime wasn't politically motivated?

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>>89597629
To be fair wasn't it insurance fraud and they just tried to make it look like a hate crime?
>>89597611
What about a Nazi saying some shit but he's not an immediate threat?

>>89597675

That's easy. Talk shit back. No one throws a punch until someone throws the first punch. That's the golden rule. Punching Richard Spencer didn't exactly make you endearing in the long run since he never fought back. Now instead, it makes ANTIFA look suspicious.

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>>89597195
Nice excuse, Steve.

>>89597260
No. They can talk as much as they want, as long as it stays talk also hey don't get any actual authority, scientific backing (read pseudoscience), etc. of any kind. A meritocracy based on ability,proper research, personal application as well as hard work will be, and stay, in charge

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So are you fucks gonna start posting panels or what

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>>89597872
You knew what this was, Frank.You always knew.

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>>89597195

>>89597872
Panels?

>>89597927
Literally just
>no,you

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Sure.

>>89597537
As long as he's not hurting those non-white man, woman, and children, yes. You're the bad guy for throwing the first punch and it's in his rights to have you arrested and sued.

>>89597927
>If everybody says you're wrong, you say no u
>I'm in the right, because I think I'm in the right
That speech is amazing, not because it's inspirational, only a retard would be inspired by that drivel, but because it's so empty, you can have anyone use it.
You could put it into the mouth of Magneto, Doom or even Red Skull.

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>>89597606
This, but not because of /pol/ bullshit. Being a "villain" means Hydra Cap is written free of Marvel's current agendas making him a million times more interesting and likable.

>>89597675
>What about a Nazi saying some shit but he's not an immediate threat?
Are you so weak that words can harm you?
If you are I don't think your punch is going to do much.

Also what exactly is punching someone supposed to accomplish?
IF you genuinely believe that someone is a dyed in the jackboots nazi who is ten seconds away from killing people what is sucker punching them and running away going to do?

>>89598712

What I don't understand is: Do these people WANT violence? I mean, obviously the weight of social disdain is against the Right. But the Right is generally better as violence, because once they get started, they leave bodies in their wake.

It's like, things seem to be escalating for some stupid reason.

>>89597454
Now, admittedly, my ability to consume media is finite, but I don't actually remember this happening.

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>>89598845
Little too close to home.

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>>89599001

>>89598950
At this point I'm convinced the left has gone back to believing that being in the right means God or Allah will protect you and make you win in any fight.
They believe they're right, thus they believe themselves to be invincible.
They've regressed all the way back to the dark ages.

>>89599049

It just feels like things are going to end in bloodshed no matter what. Like, Richard Spence is a fucking moron and a racist, yes. But what would be REALLY bad would be a group of heavily armed right-wingers itching for a fight.

You know this is how it's going to end, with some idiot militia wannabes opening fire in 'self-defense'. Then the Trumpster sends in the National Guard and it's just a clusterfuck from there.

>>89599049
The right is doing the same.

Both are rapidly increasing Polarization and are not adequately prepared for a clash.

Does anyone have the panel where Cap says his superiors must be crazy if they think he's against protesters.

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>>89599026
>tfw all modern comics are tone deaf binary morality propaganda written by retards

>>89599374
How so?

>>89597530
Yes. Ideas are not (or should not be) against the law.

>>89597675
>"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."

>>89599601
Well they should get you punched sometimes.

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>>89599422
Nuke isn't a big bad guy to slap silly. In daredevil reborn, the avengers appear as the emblem of a callous state incapable of comprehending the individual, let alone one they've broken.

He's a reject weapon plus victim, an allegory for the vietnam war, etc. It's heavy handed issues and was always comically dealt with, but there's something genuinely humanitarian about his past portrayals.

Look at the edgy massacre murder in superior spider-man. Mainstream comics are the antithesis of inspirational unless you're an extremist nutjob, but not the complicated ones from third world countries.

>>89599759
I don't know, the whole arc with Nuke in Remenders run seems to be about how people in power will try to use your fear to twist your ideas to suit their own, it's not just a slug fest between him and Cap. It's an ideological fight between someone who has lived through America at some of its worst times but has seen it grow and someone who has been lead to believe that those times are something to strive for.

>>89599906
So,one of humanity's greatest question then:what is more important:truth of idealism?

>one of /pol/'s main criticizing points in the election was that Hillary, or really just the omnipresent ""left wing"" boogeyman, was dividing Americans and making them fight each other
>Nobody there now bats an eye that Trump is exacerbating tensions to extreme levels and that legitimately half of the country hates him and angry, disillusioned ex-MAGAfags are beginning to sprout like fungi under a rotting log
>"m-muh sovereignity"
>"i-it doesn't apply to this half of the country b-because it's the bad one anyway!"

Really makes you think.

>>89598825

It sounds more like something that Homer would say in a classic episode of the Simpsons.

>>89602111
Nice try, Brock.

>>89598825
Way to miss the entire point and look at what's said in a moronically simplistic way
>I'm in the right, because I think I'm in the right
No, it's because he is right and no matter how many people tell him he's not, no matter who they are, he'll stand up to them and for his principles. Just because alot of people believe something doesn't make it right and when alot of people believe something that isn't, you stand up and don't cower to them
>but because it's so empty, you can have anyone use it.
You could put it into the mouth of Magneto, Doom or even Red Skull.
No you couldn't and it wouldn't work if anyone else said it. It only works so well not just in this context but because it's Cap

>>89597707
Richard Spencer is controlled opposition, he isnt a white nationalist at all

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>>89597195
Someone should tell Steve that when your media allows factual news equal airtime with gut-instinct drollery, the people lose all trust and respect for the Press and the institution is effectively crippled.
And once that happens, the purveyors of propaganda and incendiary shit-flinging own the field.

So yeah, you can allow people to hold vile neo-nazi ideas, but you don't host them on any credible news source or forum for the discussion of ideas.

Steve fails because he cannot discriminate between hate-speech and a useful discussion of ideas on merit.

>>89597260
No. Not for America anyways. You would have to set up a court to judge the value of ideals.

And people are allowed to leave anyways. Without an ability to force someone out, your statement is meaningless. What you would have to do is set up an additional step to judge whether someone has those ideals, and then have someone to force them from the country if they don't comply.

That's as fucking un american as it gets. It was literally founded by people getting away from that.

The closest exceptions we have is when you promote ideas that result in immediate violence, or lie to hurt someone, and neither of those call for expulsion.

>>89597530
I don't think Captain America punching the Houthis in the face, just for being Houthis. But I don't think comic book writers use them anyways. They're the "death to america", "curse the jews" crowd. It literally says so on their flag.

>>89597613
It's already happened. Wasn't rednecks this time though.

>>89597675
>What about a Nazi saying some shit but he's not an immediate threat?
Break it down. Being a nationalist? Being a socialist? Hating jewish people?

Shit talk deserves shit talk back.

>>89598825
Missed the point entirely. Do you even Mark Twain?

>>89598950
Some people, clearly yes. Fortunately they're in the minority. Unfortunatley, they've had more support than any time in the last 30 years.

>>89599652
Maybe. But going around punching people for talking shit should get you thrown in jail, every time.

>>89598339
>quieter times
>peace
Somehow, I feel that Cap doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about sometimes.

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>>89597387
>comparing antifa to Captain America

That's really, really creepy.

>>89599103
The right isn't holding consistent riots that are being encouraged and promoted by the mainstream media. I have yet to see them do anything like what the protesters on Election Day did to my city.


The "alt-right" have yet to launch any attacks the way the "anti-fascists" have, beyond that on Matt Furie's career (which the media was hurting too, being honest). We're building up to a singularity, and it will likely be bloody, though.

>>89599026
Did Cap do through with it, did he kill Nuke?

>>89605406
No, he convinced Nuke to get the psychiatric help he needs and then the people that were controlling him set off a bomb they implanted in his chest.