Lost Light #2 Storytime

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>>89568543

Download here: >>89568499

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>>89568579

There is literally nothing wrong with Functionism

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>>89568543
Fantastic. Thanks OP

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>>89568615
>Fantastic
I'm not sure I would use fantastic really

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>>89568717

>>89568624
Functionist apologist from earlier here
Breezed through the issue
And yeah it has some build-up/building, some "hey wow" moments characteristic of Roberts but the issue was overall underwhelming

Time for bed

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>>89568732
Yeah, it's a very underwhelming issue really.

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>>89568764

>this hack gets paid for writing this dreck
If I yawned any further, I'd break my fucking jaw.

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>>89568764
It's Rung of course

>>89568789
Dang all those January comics that got delayed, also Optimus #4 won't come out until March, what is up with IDW?!

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>>89568802
And that's all.

>>89568813
>what is up with IDW?
Much like Hasbro, they put the most minimum of efforts into their products.

>>89568650
oh come on that tjing didn't even hit her spark
>or braincase
she'll be fine

>>89568700
Kaput?
like in German for 'damaged'?

>>89568891
Yep.

wtf I hate tailgate now

>>89568813
>delays delays blah blah
Also almost all Hasbro Shared Universe comics for April may share the same fate.

>What is up with IDW?!
Gook printers and now shipping problems intensify.

>>89568818
Thanks for the storytime. Will you be storytiming Misfits #2 today as well?

>>89568658
now that's a sexy cuff break panel

>>89568732
At least it wasn't a hyped up finale.

Though in retrospect my expectations were pretty low so I don't think either overwhelming or underwhelming for this issue.

>>89568764
>It had to be Rung

Normally I wouldn't have problems but everytime I see Runt I see Roberts.

>>89568942
He's a child. How can you hate a child just trying his best to protect his loved ones and fit in with the militarized society he found himself in, anon?

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>>89568891
I wonder what happened to him between Spotlight: Orion Pax and now to make him so skittish. I mean, he nearly died to be there.

>>89569087
Why wouldn't it be him? He was already established as a thing of interest the last time we visited the Functionist universe.

>>89568717
Will Roller and Megatron be best buds now??

I'm just happy that Megs gets his mentor back. But got a feeling that when Terminus buys the farm it will push Megatron back to the Decepticons.

Plus why is Ratchet still draped up on Drift. When is old school buddy Roller is back. Didn't he make a comment about the last time all three of them were together in a previous arc about shallow good byes?

>>89569268
It hasn't even been a day since they reunited and they've been busy.

>>89569268
betcha the mentor dies

they always do

>>89569268
Well, Roller went missing when the Autobots were still rebelling against the corrupt Primes and the Functionists, before the Decepticons really started acting out against anyone but the same corrupt targets.

He doesn't have millions of years of war grudges as regards Megs most Autobots do.

>>89568813
Funnily enough, this issue of Lost Light was leaked EARLY last week.

>>89569283
Well I remember that Ratchet had a whole lot of regret not saying goodbye to Roller. At least a stern handshake or something.

>>89569288
>Terminus becomes the new Megatron........Megaplex!!!

But anyways jokes aside. With Drift getting these visions of Pharma, will Star Saber team-up with him again?

>>89569430
Star Saber is going to open a portal t robot hell and bring about armageddon to purge the universe of heretics and degenerates

>>89569686
Can Shokaract come too?!

>>89569870
Star Saber is having a party and everyone is invited

>>89569870
>>89569917
>Star Saber the Heretic Slayer of Primus vs Shokaract Herald of Unicron
I need this now

>>89568745
>Clicker

So.... is he useless or actually turns into something? Like a retractable pen?

>>89568639

oh shit its Energon Divebomb Shadowhawk.

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>>89568639
>>89570463
And the bigger purple one looks like he's based on movie Stockade.

>>89568942

Tailgate started really sucking since he got those powers.

>>89568560
wow they kind of hammered down the concept there

So, uh, maybe I missed an issue, but why is Rodimus purple now?

>>89570970
>Lost Light #2
>#2

>>89570970
Muh dead crew members or some such drivel.

>>89570970

he joined Drift's religion.

>>89570970
>>89571142
>>89571051
Because toy sales.

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>>89568690
To be fair, she was asking for it. Look at how her kibble's all exposed. The harlot.

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>>89568589
I hope the Necrobot managed to save Shemp of Kalis, at least.

Funny, though, I always thought he was Jewish.

>>89571142
how hard will Drift friend-zone him?

>>89568590
Considering they run their version of Cybertron like it's Transformers: Judge Dredd complete with Judge designs for their police force? What's not to love.

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>>89571474
Rodimus changing his colours has nothing to do with toy sales. Rodimus's current toy has the classic colours (well, "neoclassic", he's red instead of maroon) and the last Rodimus toy to have his current comic colours happened in 2011.

>>89568690
>A medic called Kaput
Bwahahahahaha!!! This got me good.

LL is back.

>>89571985

apparently he existed way earlier in IDW but went missing.

>>89568624
Gee, Anti-Vocationist League, how come your mom lets you get two Jetfires? Are they going to Powerlinx?

>>89571523
She was born that way, you chassis-shaming person.

>The Worldsweepers seen in Drift's vision last issue are identified by him as the Phantom Fleet, which disappeared in the Dark Nebula. The Nebula was previously mentioned in the More than Meets the Eye: Revolution one-shot as the home of the Dire Wraiths.

>>89568543

Aww yeah storytime. Thanks man.

>saying 'God' instead of 'Primus'

This bugs me and I don't know why.

>>89574844

Primus is their God though. But yeah, it's a minor language slip I guess. Most people don't run around saying YHVH or whatever.

>>89568764
friggin finally.

>>89574844
Shut up Boco.

>>89570558
This.

>>89575134

Yes sir...

Lost Bump

>>89574912
Because that isn't the correct word in English. YHVH isn't called that but LORD or God(only).

I got a question from IDW Gi Joes concerning Skywarp. I thought he was an outliner in the IDWverse. So why does he need the Joes to "fix" him and his warping. Aren't outliners just like marvel mutants?
I know that the cause of his ghosting problem before hand was caused by Arcee stabbing him mid warp, but has that been explained why that affected Skywarp that way?

>>89576732
Doens't mean his teleportation still isn't technological. How many times in X-Men has their been a mutant disease that needed cured? Legacy Virus?

Anyway his teleportation has been on the fritz for awhile now and he has only recently been returned to corporeal form. He was dimensionally unstable for awhile and hooked up to machines allowing Galvatron's forces to use his teleportation for their own benefits.

Goddamn, what a perfect birthday present.

>>89577685

Happy birthday, Anon. Mines in 2 days. Hopefully my expensive 3P manchild transformer toy will be here in time for it, but this is a great early B-day gift too.

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What's his fucking problem?

>>89577948
Babies on steroids, man.

>>89577948
throwing a child's tantrum basically. Or the very least teen brooding and anger issues

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>>89577948

Robohoromone problems I guess?

Also these issues are always great for reaction images.

>>89577815
Thanks anon. Hope he gets there in time.

>>89578187

It probably will. Just checked the tracking, it's in the next city over. Usually when it's there, it's here the next day. So I guess it'll be in, barring any sudden delays.

Like the time they ping-ponged my shit between 3 states because they couldn't read the address printed in clear, easily legible, large type.

>>89568560

Whats with Roddy's Shattered Glass colors?

Guess we now know the redeco his Titans Return figure will have now

>>89578684

He did it to mourn the dead guys under his command.

>>89578753
More like "yeah I'm going to kill Getaway"

>>89578684
read the thread
>>89578753
>>89578999
stop discouraging reading

>>89579158

Storytime it then so they can read it.

>>89579203
No, the answer to Rodimus's colour change has already been provided in the thread. There was no need to ask the question a second time.

>>89568764
Chromedomes visor is miscolored.

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>>89579612

looks exactly like the Hasbro Titan Returns head now.

HMMMMM.

>>89579612

You mean it's finally properly colored. Because it was always supposed to be blue.

>>89580293
Trying too hard anon.

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>>89580557

I mean, who ever heard of Chromedome having a blue visor, right?

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>>89581321

It's not like he's had a blue eyes/visor since inception or anything.

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>>89581385

And he obviously never had a blue visor in not one...

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>>89581417

...But two different series produced for entirely different sections of the globe or anything, right?

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>>89581321
its just another case of clashing mediums. The G1 toy has a yellow/orange visor. While US G1, Jap G1 and Marvel had blue

Yes, IDW Chromedome leaned more towards the G1 toy colorings. But just look at both Titans Return toys. Japan's release is more Headmasters and the US' is more G1 toy.

Maybe editorial messed up, maybe Tailgate's jumpstart outliner sharing messed with him.

>>89581648

The current toy release for Japan has a more G1 head, but blue eyes.

The US version has a more IDW head, but still a blue visor.

Both share the same body, in slightly different colors. Which is definitely based on the IDW version, because the G1 guy was a straight up brick in both toy and show design.

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>>89581417
>>89581444
>Check that autism faggot
Fo check the IDW article that links to another page. He's always had yellow/orange
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Chromedome_(G1)/IDW_Generation_1_continuity

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>>89581738
That's on me, I was remembering the Funpub Timelines toy that had yellow.

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>>89581780
>linking to that shitty wiki
>trying to posit a factually incorrect color rendering based on previous incarnations as being correct
>finally changed to the correct color
>gets mad over it

>>89581385
>since inception
The toy designed first retard

TY OP

>>89581844
faggot, my 1st collage Blue was explaining that there IS a difference between toy and media coloring. Even saying that editorial might of messed up. Second collage Yellow was calling out the single image posting autistic. You just plain nigger'd it up

>>89581444
Wow this is /v/ level sperging.

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>>89582190
>oh shit I got told
>better call someone a sperg, that'll show'em

Good job.

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>record scratch
>freezeframe
>"yup, that's me"
>"you're probably wondering how I got into this situation"
>"well, it's a long story, so let's go back"
>rewinding noise
>glitch in the corner watching skids while jacking off
>"whoops not that far haha"


bump

>>89568589
you NEVER go hand to mouth!

>>89583424
>projecting this hard because you got called a sperg
I just came to read the storytime, which was a disappointment as always, and wasn't in on you guys' little tsundere argument other than calling you a sperg, you sperg.

>>89568604
But that wasn't even Megatron, just some other guy that would have used his initial body. Beyond nonsense to do that.
>>89568764
If it is something amazingly rare like a component to a titan or a homing device to the Knights of Cybertron it would be bullshit mary sue. If it was something that would be so esoteric to simply not register as a possibility it would be too similar to Tarn's reveal as "Nobody". Therefore, his altmode's function must be something that is dangerous to others while not usable in another manner, like a mass-suicide override on all Cybertronians. Then the main universe Rung can get offhandedly mentioned about his apocalypse maiden nature at the end of the arc and be bummed for a bit.

>>89568732
I'm having a hard time getting into this one. I think part of it is the art, part of it is the let down after the end of season 2, and part of it is all the literally who bots that don't really seem much like Transformers at all. They also don't serve much of a purpose yet. We'll see.

Optimus Prime is far and a way the better of these two new books right now, and I was a pretty huge Roberts-fag.

>>89588361
Are you me? I agree completely except I think my apathy with it is mostly the art and how shit all of season 2 was.

>>89568789
MASK sure does have some nice covers for such a bland book.

>>89568543
I just thought of something about this comic and the mini-series.

Will they pull an alt.Rewind with Dominus Ambus?

>>89589767
he was observed trying to overthrow the functionists, I don't think he's alive

>>89571003
Not really answering my question. I dont have access to that

>>89591949
It answered the question if you missed an issue.

>>89579411

I asked when I saw the first page. I hadnt read far enough to see the question answered later at that point.

So you can take your "stop discouraging reading" and shove it up your ass, shithead. Nothing wrong with answering someone's question.

Jesus Christ.

>>89592261
so salty over not being able to push ctrl and f at the same time

>>89569101
Cybertronians don't have "child" or "teen" phases. He's an adult but Roberts keeps writing his character development straight into the fucking toilet.

Tailgate was one of my favorites from the main cast when I started reading MTMTE but I honestly can't stand him anymore.

>>89593839
Tailgate has only 2 years and 2 weeks of life experiences.

>>89593839
>>89594002
Yeah its not like he has the quick download knowledge like wartime MTOs

>>89581844
>>linking to that shitty wiki
uh dude, tfwiki is like, what all fan wikis should aspire to. Its not perfect, but what, are you the transformers.wikia admin?

>>89568560
>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Dissolution_Part_2:_Anomie#Errors
>Twelve-of-Twelve gives the date as "1st Cycle 3041," but that's way off. The present era is something closer to 3819, per the date on the post for Information Creep in MTMTE issue #33. In fact, 3041 would predate even the Simanzi Massacre, which took place in 3178, per MTMTE issue #16.

>The present era is something closer to 3819, per the date on the post for Information Creep in MTMTE issue #33.

>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/IDW_timeline
>Simanzi Massacre - the cataclysmic battle over The Crucible (1st Cycle 3178), later leading to the Forced Flood and the Endless Retaliation. Yet another wearer of the Magnus Armor dies in the battle.


Seems like James Roberts made a mistake in both issues of Lost Light.

>>89588361
>>89588648

I was a relentless Roberts faggot back when MTMTE started, I defended everything he ever wrote. Then season 2 started and the loss of Burcham on the colours already hurt the atmosphere of the book so I it took me out for a while but the writing was still decent-ish until the end of Brainstorm's arc. Then Roberts went full retard with his relentless sitcom references, hipster music, muh love drama and it just piled on until it became SO BAD that is retroactevly destroyed everything good about season 2.

Then LL happened and this childlike art replaced Milne, the last connection to the true MTMTE and I just couldn't take it anymore. Seriously I know that "deviant art" is a buzz word but this art REALLY looks like a deviantart fan comic. Nothin aobut Lost Light says "official fiction" it looks SO FANMADE in every regard that I can't take it seriously.

Optimus Prime has that sweet 2000AD + G2 look to it to at least make it visually interesting because I don't care much for the story and TAAO is surprisingly a decent action-heavy book but everything about LL is just terrible and sad.

I still say that the first 5 volumes of MTMTE are my favourite TF fiction ever but everything post that is just garbage.

>>89596984

Roberts misunderstood the "you like me because my writing is good" as "you like my writing because you like me" so he thinks he can do no wrong and everything he writes will be met with nothing but glowing praise.

Literally every single one of my Transformers friends either stopped reading MTMTE around after Swearth or finished MTMTE and have no intention of even reading the Lost Light (Milne no longer being the artist being the final drop)

I know that the sales will still probably be higher than ever regardless but it says a lot about the book when all of the original readers that made it a hit jump ship.

>>89597319
>(Milne no longer being the artist being the final drop)

I keep hearing he'll be back later on but still nothing yet.

>>89597890

Roberts assumed that Lawrence and Milne will be alternating arcs but the editorial hasn't said anything yet and that's the big one (Barber is no longer the main editor for Transformers)

Lawrence was probably chosen for it because he's openly gay so that IDW can have their main gay-robot story being drawn by an openly-gay married dude. It's simple as that really, the suits don't give a shit about the quality of the product only what makes them and the company look "good". Milne will at best be a fill in artist like every 5 or so issues like Rojo or Padilla used to be.

He's already filling in on Optimus #4.

>>89597939

If anything this entire arc should've been done with Zama's "dark inky art" because it's the Functionist universe. Nobody would complain about the art then.

I'll be perfectly honest I feel like MTMTE should've ended with Dark Cybertron.

I hated Dark Cybertron when it was coming out but when it was finished looking back there really was no need anymore for the "band of wacky characters on a ship looking for the Knights" anymore.

None of the (good) stories done in season 2 required that plotline, the search for the knights plotline isn't continued at all and at the end the plotline is abandoned entirely and we probably won't see the mutineers for like two years now when we get an EPIC SPLASHPAGE TWEEEEEEST that will lead to nothing as it usually happens.

The first 5 volumes told a great story. They get on a ship, they roam around a bit, they find an ancient missing moon of cybertron and then wind up back where they started again. If anything that should've been that and "season 2" could've just been them abandoning the quest and trying to rebuild cybertron together in peace time instead of trying to find someone else to do it for them.

Plus it would be a great duality since S2 MTMTE would've been the cybertron book and RID would've been the Earth book, so RID wouldn't have to juggle Cybertron and Earth.

>>89598584

you know that probably could have worked.

i agree, the knights plot has been a dead end.

and i really want to focus on the mutiny, ironic for the Lost Light comic to not feature the ship.

>>89597939
>Lawrence was probably chosen for it because he's openly gay
Lawrence was hired because he Roberts and Roche were good buddies from way back and Roberts was pushing to get Lawrence as part of the mtmte team. He probably didn't know that would get Milne ousted but he sure didn't seem to care when it was confirmed he wouldn't be doing anything on Lost Light for a long time. Milne meanwhile had no idea he was basically fired and was very clearly upset.

>>89577948
TAILGATE IS AN IRREDEEMABLE CUNT NOW

>>89598682

The original idea for MTMTE was probably to be the "newcommer bubble" story so that people could jump in easily. There really was no need for that isolated continuity bubble to exists after 20+ issues and a massive 12 issues crossover.

The search for the knights was never the main plot anyway, it was the set up in order to tell the day to day adventures were the actual meat of MTMTE. Dropping the knights plot-line entirely in S2 would've been better because we're 50 issues in the story and the knight plotline has been dead completly for at least 20 issues with no progress towards it so it's one more thing that earked people on the book.

>>89599044

Oh wow no wonder Milne is salty as fuck at Roberts.

>>89599150
>Oh wow no wonder Milne is salty as fuck at Roberts.
Source on all this is all of their twitters by the way, I've followed all of them for a long time and yeah it got ugly.

>>89599150
I think it gets mentioned in this issue somewhere
>and there as far away from it as possible
>and yet so close because Cyberutopia is around the corner
>somehow

>>89599044
Source? Last I remember Milne said they wanted a new artist as a starter to bring in new readers.

>>89599044
Source? I thought it was IDW pushing this not Roberts.

>>89602587
>>89603257
Assuming they're talking about this-https://youtu.be/sz-9wYs8TBs
Which barely says what the situation is. So it's mostly just anons talking through their asses.

>>89599044
>Milne meanwhile had no idea he was basically fired and was very clearly upset.

Milne was upset he couldn't do issue 1 since he never done an #1 before. Stop spewing BS.

>Ok, So I guess I'll have to step in before this spirals out of control in any way.

>First let me thanks everyone for their support and that they like my work enough to want me to continue with what I've been doing the last few years. Much appreciated. However I am not telling anyone to go boo IDW for not having me currently working on Lost Light.
Also I do have other work with IDW that I'm currently working on that I can't talk about at this moment. There was talk about a secret project back at NYCC that I'm waiting for final approval on and then the public announcement from IDW about that. So still can't talk about that, but there is something in the works.

>As for Lost Light I don't have any information about it at this moment. I know that schedules change and thing become reorganized, that's just how the industry works. At the moment that only thing I can confirm I'm doing for LL is some covers. If and when that changes I can let others know. There have been a lot of changes in the last few months to staff and projects and it takes time for everyone to settle back in to a nice flow of things, so lets all just wait and see what happens shall we.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/petition-to-bring-back-milne.1095430/page-2#post-14224006

>>89603661
>to go boo IDW for not having me currently working on Lost Light.

Won't stop me because the new guy is still shit.

Hopefully that secret project doesn't end like Spotlight Octane and that Roche Jazz story.

It sounds like Barber is writing whatever Milne's secret project is. Milne tweeted this, and Barber's not editing anymore.

https://twitter.com/markerguru/status/826312166609350656

>>89605089

Sounds either like an annual or something for the Revolutionaries/extended universe.

>>89603661
This seems like IDW stepping in and telling Milne to smooth things over or else, because he sure was talking shit about them on his social accounts before that interview. I tend to believe there was more going on than we're seeing.

>>89605264

The main editor for Transformers got changed because a new guy went up the ladder so barber isn't the main editor.

Comic companies being retard that they are like to stick their dicks in the pudding and change up shit just for the sake of because they think it will lead to increased sales (they never do except for the first two month) so they probably tough that a new visual style for every relaucnhing TF book would boost their sales. So Milne got the boot, and Griffith went off his way willingly because he got bored (he's also fucking off to Peru the absolute madman).

So like >>89597939 said a gay dude writing their flagship gay comic who is also bffs with said comics writer is an editorial gravy train.

Milne was SUPER SALTY over IDW on twitter so they probably told him either shut up or you'll be permanently off the job and he probably didn't want to end up as Don Fig who got black listed by Hasbro for sperging out on the Bomber Megatron thing.

>>89605715
sad that even someone like milne gets treated like garbage

>>89605715
Don Figueroa is entirely justified for the bomber Megatron thing, they fucking stole his design.

>>89606051
>Don got Dreamwaved TWICE

>>89606024

Disconnect between fanbase and the editorial. It's eternal.

Milne had the biggest impact on the transformers style since Don Fig in the early 2000s, every fanartist tries to copy his style he's THE main Transformers "super start" artist now, but good luck convincing the editors that's true and that some new nobody that never drew a robot in their life isn't the actual "super star".

That's who we consistently get shit art, because editors think that if that drawing robots is the same as drawing humans.

It's why IDW art only got good once they started fan-artists despite many people on here and tfw2005 sperg out about it. Unless you spent years drawing TFs you'll never be able to just jump in and get it right immediately no matter how good you are. There's a reason why old Marvel books looked shit despite having some big names on the art.

>>89606051
It is his own fault for working on something that wasn't creator-owned.

>>89568560
Is it wrong I find MTMTE's Megs such a great character?

>>89606318
That's not how it works, buddy. They straight up stole his designs.

>>89606318

He didn't design the Bomber to be used in the comics, he wanted to pitch a comic that would use that design and IDW said no but they still used the design in the main books regardless. It'd be the same if hasbro just randomly took a fan character online and made a toy out of it there is legal precedence to it.

Tbf tho Don Fig relied too much on his LOOK CRAZY NEW TOYETIC DESIGNS than on his actual comic skills. He was a great character designer not a great story teller.

>>89606403
It was a derivative product of their intellectual property. They would be allowed to do the same fan character canonization and production for the same reason.

>>89606445
Uh, no. IP holders don't get to just take fan designs based on their IP and use them all willy-nilly. That's not how it works.

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>>89606571
Well, at least not LEGALLY. That doesn't mean they can't get away with it, or other shenanigans.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who hates Tailgate, someone, anyone?

>>89606859
You're not.

>>89606329
Nope, Autobot Megatron has been a refreshingly wonderful character.

It's really unfortunate this otherworldly trip is going to turn him back into a Decepticon.

>>89568717
So... Drift and Megatron never had a tense meeting or conversation? They're just fine?

That's horrible.

>>89607043
Drift's pretty used to team switching.

>>89606859
Tailgate's power-trip is getting annoying. He needs a seriously huge smack.

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>>89605715
> a gay dude writing their flagship gay comic who is also bffs with said comics writer

Milne has drawn gay stuff before. It seriously sounds like the editors don't know what the fuck they are doing.

>>89605715
>a gay dude writing their flagship gay comic
Do you mean drawing? Roberts has a wife.

>>89607551
It is about Milne's sexuality, not his portfolio.

>>89607720
>implying Roberts doesn't suck cock on the side

wew lad

>>89606859
Fuck you Tailgate is a precious baby.

>>89608395
James, pls. Go write another glorious crossover with Margaret.

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>>89606859
I like Budiansky Tailgate

I don't like IDW's. Everything about him is repulsive, from his personality to his design to his effects on any story. He's no Tailgate. He's a Failgate.

>>89608692
I like SG Tailgate. Keeping pet humans, caring for them.... except the neutering part.

>>89608451
Nah even he hates her, no one likes working with Scott.

>>89608692
Hes basically a liberal sjw with a hint of Charleston Heston Moses. It's a amusing character idea.

>>89607043
Drift was probably told all about it by Ratchet off screen but there really needed to be a moment between them,

>>89608692
>original Tailgate was literally a current year SJW

So fucking glad they didn't use this as his personality for IDW, it's bad enough already.

There's still a Lost Light in the Functionist Universe, right? This universe was created because Megatron was killed but when they fixed that they were still stuck in that time when they had to hunt down the future Lost Light (it had a different name back then, I think) and Cyclonus shot that dude with the sparkeater gun creating the same sparkeater that would later give them such a headache.

I'm trying to remember how the heck this all played out, but if it's still there they could maybe use the quantum engines to get back? Could they even steal the ship from the Functionist Universe and chase down Getaway? That'd be weird.

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So between Optimus Prime, Lost Light and Till all are One, which one would you say is at the top of its game?

Optimus>TAAO=LL

>>89611266
A lot of that is Earth-centric, so clearly it wouldn't make sense for a dude who was barely born before he got fucked up and stuck in a coma for millions of years.

Can someone story time last months TAAO I missed it.

>>89609441

Source?

>>89611363
Would it destroy itself when they get near?

>>89611731
i dont remember everything that happened but back when Scott started writing Windblade she made some dumb mistakes with her writing that contradicted things Roberts had already written in mtmte and while it got worked out there was tension between the two
scott was still in her im special and IDW picked me phase and no one could tell her anything and roberts got frustrated with her

>>89611890
It's not a time duplicate so probably not. It's legit alt universe. Which does leave me surprised the Functionists weren't efficient enough to gain the records of Rodimus and his crew. The Functionists DO love their records, after all, especially the line where alt-mode is designated.

>>89612356

I...I don't remember this at all and I've been on Scott sucks gravy train since #1.

Are you sure? was it on t witter or something?

>>89612448
The only thing I'm aware of that could be a contradiction is when Windblade was introduced in MTMTE she was said to be very quiet and reserved, but after she was anything but. Though mostly we were getting her internal monolog. At the time I figured the reason they didn't have Windblade say much was so her personality could be established more clearly in her own comic rather than have Roberts establish everything about her first, which wouldn't, I guess, be fair?

>>89612448
>>89612528
it was something to do with the whole why are there fembots thing and roberts wanted them to just be, with no different reason and scott was saying that theyre biologically different
ill admit Im really hazy on all this because it was stupid then and its stupid now and I dont remember all the details

>>89612356
>>89612850
There never has been any public tension between the two, nor any rumors of tension.

Are you getting mixed up with Furman bitching about Scott's comments on Spotlight: Arcee?

>>89612931
no that was separate and a much bigger deal, I recall it got posted here multiple times

>>89613500
I don't remember that at all. In fact, the only major discrepancy I remember with Windblade and other comics was Empire of Stone using Vanquish when he had already appeared in Windblade.

>>89613573
remember when roboerts listed everyone's spark types during the alternate LL issues and nautica's was a female hormone at first? everyone lost their shit and he change it later in the trades and apologized, scott a bit after that mess then went on to say that fembots were actually physically different after roberts had just dealt with it and he was annoyed

>>89613727
no one "lost their shit", it was an easy thing to fix, and no i don't remember scott saying anything about that. it never happened in the comics and if it did happen in apost or something, it never got big enough to become common knowledge. no one knows what you're talking about. i doubt they care, either. i don't.

>>89613811
>>89613727

Ok I know this one I was following this drama. Esentially it was the "how do we female" so Robert's spitballed the idea of Nautica having an estroil type spark or something so that caused her to be "female". Twitter bitched as twitter does so Roberts went "you know yeah it's kinda dumb since that'd mean that every spark type is a different gender" and because he didn't want the fembots to be "biologically" different than males and wanted the gender to be a choice.

Then Scott a bit later when one or two dudes on tumblr bitched relentlessly to her because she kept destroying their all gay orgy that is transformers by introducing women said something along the lines of "I believe that there is some biological component that makes them female".

Those same guys then threw a massive hissy fit over it because MUH GODEMPEROR ROBERTS JUST FIXED THAT RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE so there was some more bitching over it.

But there was no bitching between Roberts & Scott. I don't think Roberts even reads that happens in other books.

>>89612368
They are going to be hideously incompetent bureaucracy. Writer is British.

>>89614032
WE GET IT

YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT ALREADY, YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN IT AGAIN.

WE UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE OF THE DISAGREEMENT.

WE JUST DON'T ------REMEMBER------ IT HAPPENING

>>89614032
good to have the full story anon ty

>>89614101
that wasnt even me that time you fucking autist reeeeeeeeeeeeetard

>>89614148
Oh, I'm sorry, my mistake.
WE GET IT

-SOMEONE ELSE- EXPLAINED IT ALREADY, YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN IT AGAIN.

WE UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE OF THE DISAGREEMENT.

WE JUST DON'T ------REMEMBER------ IT HAPPENING.

>>89614185
okay thats better

>>89614032
To be fair, Roberts is right on this subject. Gender is just a characteristic for them and identical Transformers can have different genders. This is consistent with the more recent fiction where "female" in other works is the same as ability to combine, having non-humanoid traits, or being smol in terms of them and are not mutually exclusive.

>>89614215
Even the Covenant of Primus had a biological difference, albeit one that didn't really make sense and was probably limited solely to Solus Prime. It was just the pronouns they were using for our benefit.

>>89614268
>Didn't come up with 13 different pronouns that would be combined when spoken to reflect the linage of the person so three Insecticons that can combine into a train would be [ONYX][NEXUS].
Lame.

>>89588648
I enjoyed a lot of season 2, but the end was a bit of a mess. I still want to give it a re-read sometime, because I don't think it was awful, but he fumbled it a bit, and it's a shame because it had so much potential.

>>89614337
They're Transformers, anon. They steal other cultures shit. Our cars, jets, guns, rock music, and even our pronouns. We really need to just build a wall around the planet to keep Cybertronians out.

>>89606859
I used to like him when he was precocious and naive, instead of the obnoxious, immature cunt he's become.

>>89614215

If I may go full tumblr for a moment but the male/female duality of gender makes no sence for a sexless robot species. Unless we go with the pulp-fictiony Quintessons origins where the Autobots were robots built do do help, Decepticons build as war machines you can explain fembots as being sexbots or whatever.

But for a civilization developing on it's own without the influence of another organic species that has the male/femael split it would never happen. Sex is a big deal because it ensures the survival of a species and everyone is programmed to want to do it 24/7 in order to ensure the species continuation. So gender as a concept isn't something that is "natural" is it a concept that is closely connected to sex because again big fucking deal.

If we were to translate this to cybertronian it's most likely that they would develop THEIR gender (and gender roles) based on their altmodes. So planes would be one gender, trucks would be one gender etc. because alt-modes and transformation is a big fucking deal in their society.

Obviously this is all retarded and going too deep into a shitty franchise build around trying to convince retarded children to buy your lump plastic shit but if we all weren't brain damaged faggots we wouldn't be posting here now would we.

>>89614427
Genders other than male and female have existed for FOREVER in real life, it's not a stretch to have robots develop them as well.
>and everyone is programmed to want to do it 24/7
maximum wut

>>89614427
This is why I prefer being able to just scan whatever altmode you want instead of being locked to one at creation. Altmode should be a reflection of what the person likes/feels, not a trap.

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>>89614427
>but if we all weren't brain damaged faggots we wouldn't be posting here now would we
Good point.

>>89614508
"Infertile" and "hermaphrodite" isn't a gender outside of male/female dynamic.

>>89614508
>Genders other than male and female have existed for FOREVER in real life, it's not a stretch to have robots develop them as well.

Yeah well try and explain that to the majority of the TF fanbase that are /pol/tards.

>>89614544
no shit sherlock, those aren't genders in ANY dynamic

>toyline that is all about robots fighting other robots barely has any robots fighting ANYTHING in their current comics.

Frankly I'm sick of everybody being talking heads all the time. At least Cosmos gets to fight Sharkticons now.

>>89614631
There are only 2 genders.

>>89614643
but we just had a fight in this issue

>>89614673
I'm talking in general, and the fight in LL was lackluster and only lasted a few panels (and had more emphasis on Megatron just standing there barking orders than it did the other guys overpowering their obviously weaker opponents).

>>89614508
>>89614554

That's not even what the goddamn argument was. The goddamn argument was that male and female wouldn't even exist in the first place because robots don't have sexual dimorphism because sex isn't a thing on Cybertron.

See
>If we were to translate this to cybertronian it's most likely that they would develop THEIR gender (and gender roles) based on their altmodes. So planes would be one gender, trucks would be one gender etc. because alt-modes and transformation is a big fucking deal in their society.

Goddamn can you even see the word gender without going 'UHM WELL'?

>>89614977
That is called Functionism, not gender.

>>89615008
Functionism means a very specific career for each altmode. This is more of a broad spread of 'wings' or 'wheels' or 'animal'. For example, a tank could be in the 'treads' subsection of the 'wheels' gender, but his Functionist role would be very specifically 'garbage hauler for toxic waste plant'.

And Cybertronian gender would have developed differently than human gender, anyway, so anything we write on the topic is just bullshit we're making up, including this post.

>>89614977
but that was a perfectly logical rebuttal.
>robots can't have genders if they don't have sexes
>but in real life, humans can have genders that don't have corresponding sexes, so why can't robots?

>>89614977
Primus made sex a thing when he created Solus Prime as one of the Twelve.

>Prime version of events had the Twelve break up because two of them started fighting over the woman and one got killed over it

Even robot women ruin everything.

>>89615211
They don't have those genders. Humans can not be attack helicopters.

>>89615211
You're saying the argument was
>robots can't have genders if they don't have sexes

But that wasn't the argument at all. The argument was that Cybertronian genders would be based on altmodes because that's what they're familiar with.

Like if you look at any tumblr list of genders, a ton of them are based off male/female, because that's what most people are familiar with.

>>89615278
Oh hey, way to break that to me this late in my life.

Now you are going to say I can't be an aircraft carrier.

>>89615258
1) He made other genders thing, or he made sexes a thing?
2) We don't even know for sure if Primus even exists in IDW.
>>89615278
Except they do. It's not even a thing you can successfully debate. You literally cannot disprove or remove those genders, because they simply exist.
>attack helicopters
jesus christ get some new material
>>89615319
>a ton of them
Ah, but not all? So they have developed outside of a male/female dynamic? Just like how robots could develop genders outside of dynamics they're accused to?

>>89615388
They culturally appropriated alien species that had boys and girls

>>89615419
that is also a possible origin

>>89615388
Until recently Primus was the same multiversal singularity in every TF continuity along with the Twelve and Unicron, so he existed in IDW and was mentioned offhandedly a few times.

>>89615388
>Ah, but not all? So they have developed outside of a male/female dynamic? Just like how robots could develop genders outside of dynamics they're accused to?

Yeah, no shit. That wasn't the argument. Nobody in this conversation ever said that robots couldn't develop genders outside of altmode generalization. We just said that's how Cybertronian gender would have probably started.

You're trying to defend something nobody attacked.

>>89615450
Only mentioned in legend and folklore, never actually confirmed. The de-singularityifying happened throughout the multiversal timeline, so it could have removed any unconfirmed Primus that might have been in IDW.
So like, the reverse of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXOebOaBFV4

>>89615450
What was said:
>But for a civilization developing on it's own without the influence of another organic species that has the male/femael split it would never happen.
What I said:
>but here's how it could, see also: real life

>>89615597
I liked the singularity thing, too bad Hasbro decided to get in on it and basically jammed a wrench in the whole works to the point they had to remove the singularity bit so future fiction wouldn't be hamstrung.

>>89615597
whoops, meant for >>89615448
>>89615662
It was a nice idea but it was doomed from the start. I'm glad it's gone now.

>>89615655
>But for a civilization developing on it's own without the influence of another organic species that has the male/femael split it would never happen.
>but here's how it could, see also: real life

I think I see where you're coming from, but I don't agree. For that to happen, it would require Cybertronians to come up with an understanding of the originally sex-based system (one which they know nothing about) of one tiny, short-lived species millions of light-years away (which they have not met) and, additionally, comprehend the history behind the original dichotomy and social implications. That's a lot different than making up a gender based on the phases of the moon or whatever.

Unless they just happen to invent the words 'male' and 'female' and make them mean whatever.

I'll give you the point about appropriating it from human culture once the two species meet, although I doubt they'd really understand it.

>>89615893
what
no
i'm not saying they got it from humans
i'm saying, IN REAL LIFE, humans developed some new stuff, so why not, IN FICTIONAL ROBOTS, can't they do the same thing?

>>89615893
The way it was written makes it sound like "Humans have male and female, so if we assign female to Solus Prime's people, we can show how we understand their culture!"
Meanwhile, we are all a bunch of people angry about this because they don't actually understand. Sort of like that one Marvel comic but on a less literal scale.

>>89615893
They've had contact with other alien species before humans, the Decepticons spent a few millennia wiping them out to the point the Galactic Council blacklisted the entire race.

>>89615965
I never said they couldn't develop new stuff. Nobody in this thread said they couldn't develop new stuff. I thought I clarified that in >>89615450 already. The main point in the original post was only that Cybertronian gender would have probably started with altmode types.

>>89615983
True, but we dunno if they have male-female, at least how humans understand it.

>>89615973
Pretty much.
Save me

>>89616067
>I never said they couldn't develop new stuff. Nobody in this thread said they couldn't develop new stuff.
>>89614427
>But for a civilization developing on it's own without the influence of another organic species that has the male/femael split it would never happen.

>>89615983
So they were a space faring race of warriors assimilating cultural traits from other worlds with the Solus Prime tribe adapting female role from aliens they encountered, Nova and his pals committed genocide against alien-influenced Cybertronians such as female and removed all traces of the idea of female from culture and made all members have non-female bodies (how this works is unknown due to the relatively vague nature between the spark, body, and programming), except for Arcee which Jhiaxus who was initially a "male" and remade into a female after development because he wanted to see what happens. They had some vestigial traits in the language that would accommodate genders despite not using them, and were able to be infiltrated by a female being that adapted to surroundings once with how much was using existing female and how much was a result of glamour is unknown. Meanwhile, the colony worlds had kept the male/female roles taken from aliens and there was some initial confusion when they met with the Cybertron-native members of the species, but worked it out and generally respect what the other one is called with very rare cases of outright mis-gendering.

Is this accurate?

>>89616338
No because your very first point is pure unconfirmed guessing out of the blue. I didn't even bother to read the rest of it.

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ANYWAY, what will be the fate of Tailgate?
Will he finally get a bigger new body?
When will he stop being a bully? Will he turn into a big bully?

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>>89616401
what if it was all a buildup to introduce his toy art body

>>89616364
The Thirteen were the original Cybertronians in this continuity, simply warlords. Nova decried them as deviant and wiped them out and claimed their title of Prime. This part is established. If they were always that way, how could they deviate from an earlier state?

>>89616278
Look at the context. That anon was referring to
>the male/female duality of gender makes no sence for a sexless robot species. Unless we go with the pulp-fictiony Quintessons origins

Not the existence of gender itself or the invention of other genders. If they wanna take male-female from humans once they meet us, they can go right on ahead, but it's not like they'd invent a completely and totally foreign concept for their first forays into gender.

Unless they never even thought about gender before meeting humans, which is a whole other can of worms.

>>89616468
>The Thirteen were the original Cybertronians in this continuity
Nnnnnnnnnnnno they weren't, there's a whole bit of history before the tribes came to be.

>>89616401
>ANYWAY, what will be the fate of Tailgate?

Will overstress/run out of his super powers and end up shorting himself out at the wrong moment, followed by death. They already hinted at that a while ago.

>>89616401
Maybe he'll die.

>>89616509
Exactly. There was what would be described as the Guiding Hand, then population, then the Thirteen.

>>89616401
I hope someone beats him up. He's aiming to become a petty bitty dictator at this point.

>>89616401
He is going to kill someone on accident. Maybe Cyclonus because he triggered these superpowers when he thought Cyclonus was killed.

>>89616592
BY accident. He's going to kill someone BY accident.

You don't do things ON accident.

>>89616629
Yeah, you do things by purpose.

>>89616629
>caring about grammar on a mongolian picture panel
what did he mean by this?

>>89614520

Well, that's how IDW deals with it... In the IDW universe, Transformers are born with an alt mode, but can change it with some resources and time. A few exceptions existed, of course, with the Dinobot foray into the caverns underneath Cybertron.

The issue is that the Functionists took the birth alt-mode as the be-all end-all and considered changing alt modes to be anathema.

>>89616656
You do things on purpose. You can also do things by design.

>>89616719
Fucking organized religion

>>89616719
>but can change it with some resources and time.
To a point. They're limited by how big of a body they can animate with their spark.

>>89616764
You can just be a smaller version of that

>>89616723
On design, you can in fact do things by purpose.

>>89616782
size can matter

>>89616798
Not in Transformers. Scale is irrelevant.

>>89616797
Just as long as you aren't doing things on accident, because that sounds dumb and wrong. Because it is dumb and wrong.

>>89568764
I liked this issue. It has some good surprises. It's got a different dynamic, and we're going to have to wait to see how the attention will be split between the two universes. Which is different from a story being split between two locations.
His head's the _what?!_ Now that's using an alternate universe setup properly. Surprises. I liked the banter, too. With the Rung reveal I really want to read the next issue. We don't even know which version of his alt mode the artists will use.
After all "If you were going to go to an alternate universe, you really should try to learn things Universe 2 knows that they didn't find out in Universe 1." Wouldn't you want to come back with a dozen treasure maps and mining locations, the location of Atlantis, the secret of the Money Pit island? etc.

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>>89616814
>Scale is irrelevant.

This guy steps onto your home and slaps your waifubots ass, sending her sailing into the nearby star, where she is disintegrated by the extreme heat as she approaches it's orbit.

What do you do?

>>89616814
Oh you, stop.

No, seriously, please stop.

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>>89616798
>three foot tank
>"I-I can fight too, I can be brave!"
it was a cute thought, then I got sad

>>89616829
In your world, Atlantis was destroyed thousands of years ago by a pack of savages called the Sub-Atlanticans.

>>89616869
>Implying she wouldn't survive entering a star and absorb its power to get stronger

>>89616814
Ever tried to use a full-sized screwdriver to do the job of an eyeglass screwdriver? If anything, the minicons (like Tailgate or the eyeless prisoners) should be considered more precise and expensive, not more "cute."

>>89616954
not when your job is killing dudes
more HUGE more gud

>>89616931
Remember the time Atlantis was really a ship that was a part of a fleet of galaxy-spanning colony ships, which crashed into the ocean on Earth and gave rise to the legend of Atlantis, and had all its colonists take on monstrous alt modes that gave rise to all the mythical beasts of lore?
>>89616954
Remember this also from the same thing

>>89616918
Then he gets stepped on by Overlord. :(

>>89616401
>what will be the fate of Tailgate?
death

>>89617000
Who are you calling a monster?

>>89617071
The Earth Decepticons of Galaxy Force/Cybertron before some of them took on modern vehicle modes.

>>89617095
Humans are the real monsters. Weird squishy organisms that get in the way.

>>89617130
Tru dis.

Hands up here, who would turn race traitor if Cybertron came to town?

>>89617173
Are you a Berger

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>>89617173
I wouldn't be a race traitor, I'd be a full-on employee. Let's say they offered cyber-immortality, a robot girl, and a jetpack. Like you wouldn't?
Unless it's the Beyformers, then we gotta kill them all and loot the bodies.

>>89617301
Would you accept a robot girl that mostly finds you a weird tiny thing and thinks of you more like a pet than a partner?

>>89617331
We have those now. That is what real life women think.

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Live, thread, live

>>89618216

Thats a nice pic, Anon.

>>89618216
I have never seen Rumble, Frenzy, or Mindwipe anywhere around here.

So whatever happened to the beast colony after windblade 2?

>>89619163
Still there minus their Titan, they have Tigatron and Airazor as council members.

>>89619218
I take it idw has yet to do anything more with them for now?
Sounds like a waste. Unless they're preparing it for the last prime wars/onyx shenanigans or something.

>>89619256
>I take it idw has yet to do anything more with them for now?

The Power of the Primes vote is basically hinting with Primal being the king of Eukaris.

>>89617173

depends, are the Decepticons actually going to win.

>>89607720
Jro is bi anon.

>>89617173
Only if I could part take in some crazy Headmaster experiment that would help on of the sides win.

>>89620384
Source?

>>89620456
What about some sort of crazy Headmaster experiment that resulted in absolutely nothing of any benefit whatsoever to anyone, and ultimately ended in your torturous death?

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What did he mean by this?

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>>89621222
Some of you bots are alright
Don't go to the Dead Universe tomorrow

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So the Transformers Superbowl is up. Looks like Solus Prime and her hammer will be in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sndQBM_t9OM

>>89621446
>Solus
Doubtful, we've seen the 13 already

>her hammer
Likely just a hammer

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>>89621588
They've been retconning out of the ass for the past movies. Plus it's a fem voiceover talking to Optimus calling her "my maker".

>>89621639
I just see Megatron coming in to help and getting something ripped off him again.

>>89621701
would be great use of his new arm cannon at least.

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>>89621732

>>89621763
based cute japan

>>89621763
dem thighs though

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>>89621446
>>89621588
I thought it was Bee's energon axe.

>>89621763
I thought for one moment that someone shoved something up that robots butt

>>89623012

l-lewd

>>89621763
Super cute

>>89621222
He tries too hard on twitter.

>>89621446
Huh, so the trick is to shoot Grimlock in his nuts and then he rolls up into a pillbug.

>>89621446
wow it's fucking nothing

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>>89621446

who do you think is her voice?

>>89621446

What makes you think its Solus?

Besides, we already know Quintessons are in it.

>>89629509
You got it in one, anon. Frank, clearly. His talents just keep getting better and better.

>>89630259
Maybe they aren't the true makers. Lockdown isn't necessarily the most trustworthy, but then he doesn't have to know the truth either. If you discovered and enslaved a mechanical race, might you not go to great lengths to claim that they're actually your property, that you built them?

Oh well, we'll know soon enough.

>>89621222
Theresa May and Angela Merkel playing nice but they really hate each other.

>>89633906
Hey man, that's my ship. Stop shitting on my ship.

>>89621763
It's like Bumblebee had a bunch of creepy aborted human hybrid fetuses and Optimus somehow got covered in them.

>>89630259
Female voiceover talking to Prime, and Prime calling it "my maker".

Of course it could also be an OC character like the Lady of the Lake equivalent.

>>89636641
Could also be a deceptive cut, or just something not even in the movie.

>>89629509
Tara Strong

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>>89636706
True, but the hammer being used by Bee, and the fact that Hasbro forced Bay and the writers back then to actually make good use of the TF fiction that has been established in the past (I think that's with Liefield, I can't remember), it doesn't hurt to speculate a bit more.

Still, you could be right. First time I heard the voice I actually thought it was Laura Haddock's character.