What does /co/ think of this show?

>>89435677
Stupid because Superman and Lois didn't get together till after the show.

8/10 biased because its my childhood, best version of most of the characters imo

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It was great. It didn't get as much attention as BTAS because it didn't have as many emmy worthy episodes, but overall the quality was as good or better.

Was it me or was Superman a bit of a jobber in this show?

>>89435677
Brilliantly executed update to the world that Superman exists in and his villains, but Superman himself is bad because the creators don't like him as much as Batman.

The Superman Adventures comics based off the show are far superior.

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I really liked it.

It's pretty good, consistent start to finish. I am picky about certain things that I would not want in other versions (like Brianiac being Kryptonian in origin) but most of it worked for this specific universe.

>>89435677
It's real good. Low power levels, good stakes, interesting characters, great Braniac/Krypton opening, had both strong and smart superman, and set the path for JL(u). At least an 8/10, maybe a 9.

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If the Apokalips Now story had aired now /co/ would first be shocked with the aftermath...which would quickly change to accusing the show being for jews because a rabbi presides over Turpin's funeral

>>89435677

Fucking loved it.

I know I'm gonna get hated on, but I prefer it to BTAS.

>>89435677
grt

>>89436578
That's not an uncommon opinion due to how much BTAS fluctuates in quality episode to episode.

>>89436227
>but Superman himself is bad because the creators don't like him as much as Batman

always noticed this as well

>>89436411
They definitely got the Apokalips story right.

>>89436170
He was, Timm isn't a huge Superman fan and he didn't want Batman (his favorite) to get shown up, so literally the only character with powers who wasn't downplayed was Amazo.

>>89435677
9/10 sups vs darkseid and clone kara arc were the best parts

>>89436411
no but it would never air because it would be deemed as too much, that or near the end it would turn out that turpin was teleported away at the last second by the legion

>>89435677
Great show, actually had a Batman v. Superman thing that objectively more interesting than the movie and Tim Daly is the best voice for Superman.

classic show

>>89436738
I'd say STAS had a higher average quality in terms of both animation and story, but BTAS had much higher highs and lower lows. STAS was only ever very good, but when BTAS really nailed an episode it was amazing.

>>89436059
>>89436170
>>89436227
>>89437898

The low Superman power levels were actually part of what made the show so great. He was powerful, but not so powerful that he could easily overcome any obstacle.

I liked how even he often had to struggle. It might help to remember that this show was born during the immediate post-Crisis where Byrne's Man of Steel and the following era really tried to tone down Superman's powers from their Silver/Bronze Age heights.

This show is responsible for the DEFINITIVE voices for all of these characters:

>Superman
>Lois
>Lex
>Brainiac
>Darkseid
>Lobo
>Mxy

The fuck up of replacing Superman's VA for JL is so huge I really can't overstate it. I get that they had no choice and that the new VA improved in the later JL / JLU seasons but the S:TAS was perfect.

>>89436241
all the metallo episodes were great, malcolm mcdowell is goat

STAS was brilliant and got Superman and his world so right.

It's completely baffling how in STAS and BTAS DC had the perfect template for their characters onscreen and still managed to completely fuck up their movies.

They'd have to do some tweaking, of course, to translate the cartoons into movies, but they seriously already had the perfect versions and tons of stories to use.

Lois and Clark is overall better but it's still consistent fun

>>89439497
I honestly think Corey Burton's Brainiac voice is his best voice. Better than his Shockwave voice.

Fuck, for the longest time I've wanted to hear him do a Shockwave WITH Brainiac's voice. It would be the perfect voice for the cold, emotionless Shockwave from the comics.

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What are your favorite episodes? Challenge:

>no Brave New Metropolis
>no or Apokolips Now
>no Legacy

Going with The Late Mr. Kent personally

One thing STAS really excels in over BTAS is character writing, especially dialogue. with BTAS, the fact that you where watching a genre cartoon never really left, and a lot of it verges on melodrama. granted, this suits the whole tone of the show, but its hard to take them seriously as characters who exist outside of the framing of the show. But with Superman, the character interaction for a lot of the main cast felt so natural at times you almost forget its a superhero cartoon. To the point where I almost feel I'd watch a series with STAS Clark and the Planet staff without the superhero elements. The crux of most Superman adaptations is how Clark and Lois interact,and STAS did it perfectly.

>>89439675
I know it's not the best episode, but I really liked "The Prometheon" because it was a great homage to the 1930s pulp SF stories that Superman was born from. It has a lot of great art in it.

>>89439675
The two-parter that introduces Supergirl has always held a place in my heart simply because of how brilliantly they threaded the needle on her relationship to Superman and Krypton.

Need Supergirl? But also need Superman to keep his "Last Son of Krypton" title? Just make Supergirl come from a colonized planet in Krypton's star system. Such a brilliant solution, and obvious in hindsight.

>>89436282
>I am picky about certain things that I would not want in other versions (like Brianiac being Kryptonian in origin)

Why not? That worked really well and helped cement their relationship.

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>>89439675
Main Man

>>89439675
World's Finest. Hands down.

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>>89440031

>G-rated cartoon adapts Lobo
>somehow the best Lobo interpretation of all time

These men are geniuses

>>89440061
Frazzled overworked sleepless Luthor is pretty sexy.

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>>89439921
Kal would be the "Last Son" regardless, since he was the last Kryptonian born.

>>89440191
So was Luthor pissing and shitting in that room too?

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>>89440404
Probably

More consistently good than BTAS, but with fewer fucking amazing episodes and a weaker aesthetic and soundtrack, so it's not remembered as fondly.

>>89439675
First one with Mxy.

HEY MCGURK!

>>89439497
didn't even notice the change until someone pointed it out

>>89440061
>>89440191
So was Luthor just full on black in the show, or what?

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>>89441471
He was modeled after Telly Savalas.

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>Lobo comes on screen
>Metal guitar riffs start playing

>>89441267
Really? It was pretty jarring. Tim Daly really was GOAT Superman. Like with Conroy and Batman, Daly is the way I hear Superman's voice in my mind.

>>89436411
>Darkseid loses the battle
>Wants to be a dick and kills Turpin and runs off
>Superman fights him, mentions Turbin
>"Who?"
>"Had I known one human's death would pain you so, I would have killed more"
>His people helping him up when he's defeated right in front of them
>"But here, I am God"

Darkseid was such an awesome villain in S:TAS.

>>89436241
Love this scene. I also love the fact that these iterations of Supes and Lex are so timeless that I could hear the lines in their voices even though there was no audio.

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>>89439507
>The way they tell Metallo goes crazy because he doesn't have a dick anymore and can't fuck

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>>89441826
>Superman sucker punches Darkseid
>YOU DARE STRIKE ME

It was such a great moment and line delivery, it gives me chills.

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>>89435677
It gave us GOAT Toyman.

Have no idea why I watched this when I was a kid. Every episode is damsel in distress featuring Lois, they even made fun of it couple times, it's just ridiculous. Seems like whole show had much lower production value than other series, because it's always same bunch of characters on screen and background rarely changes. I think it's weakest series in DCAU.

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>>89439675
Team up between Livewire and Parasite, I think it was just called "Double Trouble".

I loved how Parasite takes LW's shit throughout the episode and then steals her powers at the end. I remember getting chills at the idea of a guy with the powers of Superman and Livewire.

>>89441982
I'll be honest, never cared for that look. If he wore the Jack Nimball marionette outfit with a wooden mask it'd be perfect

>>89441924
Yeah, tells you lots about Darkseid and how he runs things with just that line

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>>89442096

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>>89442196
>opposite sex in the same cell
>than innuendo
>Parasite trying to grab some cheeks
Where's the porn? Where's the Zone tier animation? I need these now.

>>89442308
There's Livewire content in Something Unlimted, go nuts

>>89435677
I liked it until I read the comics, which I found to be far superior. Mostly because Millar and McCloud were more passionate about Superman, and Millar drew a lot from wacky Bronze age adventures, rather than having a depowered Superman get in fights with villain of the week, which happened to be the bread and butter of the show.

>>89442361

Is the game actually playable yet?

>>89443823
.......define "playable". Because its mostly bjs and handys at the moment. Livewire on the other hand has an open back door

I wish it wasn't so strongly based on the Byrne/Jurgens/Kesel era. That's probably my least favorite period of Superman's history.

Other than that though, the show was pretty great. It brought in a lot of characters from the comics and tried very hard to be faithful to them.

>>89442029
This comment is amazing. Every sentence is more wrong than the last one.

How is it possible for one person to have such shit taste?

>>89442228
Wait, wouldn't blasting him with electricity just feed him power and make him stronger?

>>89435677
In terms of consistency of quality, genuinely better than BTAS.

>>89439497
George Newbern was terrible in season 1 of Justice League but I think in JLU he was almost on par with Daly.

>>89441471
all white people were pretty tan in the show

>>89441471
When I was a dumb kid I thought he was called Martin Luther King Jr. and assumed Superman hated black people

>>89444522
but Luthor isn't any more dark than Superman

>>89444415
Im guessing the purple sap needs to focus it through his hands

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Why can't Ironside voice all interpretations of Darkseid?
>Flee.

>>89444798
I would die if Ironside voiced Darkseid in Injustice 2

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Why didn't she catch on?
Why did she become a generic villain in JL?

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So where was Steel during Darkseid's invasion?

>>89444879

People have no taste.

>>89444949
Stealing.

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>>89442096
>I remember getting chills at the idea of a guy with the powers of Superman and Livewire
DCAU Electric Superman when?

>>89444879
Is Livewire getting decent comic love these days? I know the Supergirl show has helped her popularity, and Killer Frost has gotten a stronger following. That said, I really hope Volcana gets a revival

>>89445103
DCAU's dead.

>>89437898
That has nothing to do with why the nerfed him.

It's simply easier to write a show if you can put the protagonist in danger.

>>89435677
best DCAU show

a number of episodes in season 2 are just amazing, one after another:
Late Mr Kent, Brave New Metropolis, Ghost in the Machine, World's Finest, Mxyzpixilated

>>89440327
That's not how DC saw it. They're the ones who demanded she not be from Krypton.

Apparently they were also supposed to make her powers a little different but they just brushed that one off.

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>>89441982
The nigga was creepy as fuck.

It's like the design notes said to make him look like he diddles kids.

>>89440776
Honestly I think the aesthetic is pretty underrated. Sure it's not as immediately stylistic, but the color pallet and the art is just beautiful at times.

>>89444362
Lois does end up the damsel quite a lot.

Her characterization is perfect, but her ending up in peril over and over again does get old.

I wish there was a Superman Beyond cartoon. I really like the comic. What are some similar stuff?

>>89445289
Oh like you wouldnt create a robotic fuck doll if you had Toymans skills. But yeah the mask and the Mister Rogers sweater were creepy. Also reminder
>Toymans first episode
>Kidnaps Lois and dresses her up as a doll when shes passed out

>>89435677
/co/ doesn't think.

The things that always catches my eye is the building aesthetic. I don't want to say it's strange, just... different.
I can always tell a clip is from S:TAS by checking the background.

>>89445386
At least it often is her own damn fault.

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>>89439675
Knight Time.

technically still cheating, but

Livewire a shit.

>>89444949
IMO Steel was great in the animated series.

I really think his episode was underrated.

darker than batman tas in some ways. classic all around. used this series as a superman gateway to help my girlfriend understand why man of steel is shit.

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>>89445508
Batman TAS was Art Deco, Superman TAS was heavy 60's retro futurist

>>89445635
both are great but I definitely prefer (retro) futurism

Remember when Lobo said bitch?

>>89444879
She didn't get the build-up or development that Livewire did. She was just kind of there. That said I think it's a total waste of a cool design and I'm sure they could do something fun with her.

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>>89439497
Total uncritical love for this series more so than BTAS, not even going to lie. This series hammered home the definitive version of Superman's core rogues gallery for me, even the originals.

>Lex
>Braniac
>Bizarro
>Lobo
>Livewire
>Metallo
>Mxy
>4th world shenanigans
>fucking Starro (technically BB)

>>89439675
Either Stolen Memories or Identity Crisis.

Also: Newsfu was EASILY first cartoon crush.

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>>89441868

Such a BAMF moment.

Although pretty sure Lois broke her hand.

>>89439675
World's Finest

>>89436227
>Brilliantly executed update to the world that Superman exists in and his villains

This. Better modernization of Superman than Zack Snyder claimed he did with Man of Steel

>>89436227
>but Superman himself is bad because the creators don't like him as much as Batman

I'd argue they liked Clark Kent more than him being Superman. Especially since the episodes always had a first act setup with Kent and exploring the human side instead of just having him become Supes and tear shit up from the get go. The episode where they introduce Live Wire is pretty great because the first act is mainly based around the Daily Planet offices. Lois' disgust that a shock jock is taking the headlines while Clark is interested not cause she's shit talking superman, but how she's holding power and influence over the working class in Metropolis with her rants and opinions that he goes to the anti-Superman Rally to see who shows up. And only changes into Superman when the storm suddenly rolls in and everyone is in danger.

I think the writers liked exploring the Clark/Superman relationship way more than Bruce/Batman in BTAS which is why Superman isn't as interesting.

>>89444798

Ironside is an avowed pacifist and doesn't want to play extremely violent characters any more (One of the reasons he stopped voicing Sam Fisher in Spinter Cell and a lot of his recent work has been background roles or heroes). A lot of DC versions of Darkseid lately are just violent thugs so I wouldn't be surprised if he turned them down. He also said he was really fond of DCAU Darkseid because he and he was a fan of Kirby's Fourth World and the role was written so well that Darkseid menace was way more evident in his words than his actions.

The way DC has written animated Darkseid lately has been awful where he is way more of a violent thug that I wouldn't be surprised if he turned them all down.

I'd cream if they got him back for Young Justice Season 3 because if there's anyone who could write an amazing Darkseid, who would be terrifying without lifting a finger, it's Greg Wiseman.

>MCGUURK!

Loved it, altho a couple of the last episodes felt rushed and out of nowhere
>suddendly Green Lantern and Aquaman

>>89439490
I honestly don't understand why people 'want' superman to be so powerful that he could reasonably defeat any enemy and break the world by accident. As a kid I always thought he was strong, but I never thought he was godlike. I guess its because even then I knew it would make writing conflict hard.

what's the best quality rip for it? is it ripped from itunes?

>>89447710
torrent

>>89447618
Because most writers who depower Superman are uncreative hacks who want to write cookie cutter plots with Superman having to punch the bad guys and some added soap opera .

Then there's stuff like For the man who has everything, Supreme and All Star Superman, where his power levels never mattered. There's Millar's Superman adventures, most of whose stories consisted of Superman having to think out of a situation which couldn't have been solved by just outpunchinging the bad guys.

>>89441826
He was the best at trolling.

>"Loser"
is probably my favorite.

>>89442228
>>89442196
>>89442096
I'm still mad they killed him off in JLU. They kept all the long-running villains except Parasite.

>>89447595
Darkseid was definitely good in the DCAU. He was an existential threat who was scary. he was more than just a superpowered dictator. he was a "god". I loved that episode where Superman blows him the fuck out, declares his people 'free" and they pick him up and help him because to them he is just plain God

>>89435677
>I am many things Kal-El, but here I am god

>>89441868
>>89447168

Timm really was the best kind of perv until he flew too close to the sun with his f/d shipping

>>89440397
MY PRECCCIOUUUS

>>89440424
>Superman defends Shaq and almost injures Alan Moore.

>>89447148
That has got to be one of the most anime-like moments in the show.

>>89442196
>>89442228
Is there a webm of superman showing up to fight her in a giant condom?

>>89440061

And so...This is where it ALL begins.

>>89440424

"sorry superman, I still have some business in da hood"

they made Malcolm McDowell say this. i love them

>>89440061
Look at the ANIMATION there. The screen effects, Brainiac's eyes having static for a second, it's gorgeous.

>>89444415
Parasite isn't as OP this early on.

Or he was playing along to get a charge, yeah. He's pulled the 'i'm so weak' trick before.

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>>89444879

too bad, Peri Gilpin has a sexy voice

>>89439675

there are so many. I like the tools of the trade because its so cool and manhiem is a scumbag. I like The two parter last sone of krypton and wish it had been the template for the live action movie. I loved the death of clark kent for that marvelous ending that, if you watch the show in order, works out even better because you suspect the villian less after the false flag from a different episode before.

Such a good show.

>>89449279

f/d shipping? also is it him that is responsible for candie cane?

>>89447595

Dude, you nailed it, thats what makes DC villains (and good villains in general) so great. Lex was like this too, a credible threat that was untouchable because of his public appearance.

I love that they eventually did every memorable incarnation of luthor. Business man for crime, Evil scientist and even corrupt president.

>>89449854
I was thinking the same thing. Once you know what truly happened in that scene, it really puts the whole DCAU in perspective.

>>89435677
Generic DCAU garbage

>>89448353
Waaaaaaaaa? How did he die? The only Parasite appearance I remember is when he got beat by Captain Marvel.

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>>89450894
He was among those villains who failed in their mutiny and got frozen by Killer Frost. Even if had somehow survived that, Darkseid blew up their spaceship soon afterwards.

>>89447595
>Lois' disgust that a shock jock is taking the headlines while Clark is interested not cause she's shit talking superman, but how she's holding power and influence over the working class in Metropolis with her rants and opinions that he goes to the anti-Superman Rally to see who shows up. And only changes into Superman when the storm suddenly rolls in and everyone is in danger.
You know stuff like that gave more strength to Hamilton's distrust of Superman. I mean look at the subtle yet deliberate clues given:

Remember how that 1 reporter asked Superman if he deliberately allowed Live Wire to be electrocuted because she was smearing him on the airwaves? It certainly would appear that way.

In Stolen Memories, we're introduced to DCAU Brainiac whose Kryptonian in origin. Thus it's the 1st time in the Timm-Dini continuity that there's a hostile threat from Krypton.

In Blast From the Past, we have 2 dangerous Kryptonian criminals that tried to take over the Earth. It's a forewarning to what Justice Lords Superman would become.

Brave New Metropolis featured a fascist Superman in alliance with Luthor. No doubt Lois would've told Superman and Hamilton about that alternate world.

And finally in Legacy, Superman threatened Hamilton and this was AFTER he recovered from his brainwashing. It was the final straw that broke the camel's back. Up until that moment, Hamilton always believed Superman was a force of good and righteousness. But that moment changed everything.

I'm not justifying what Hamilton did, but if you look at all the events that happened in Superman TAS, could you really blame him? All it takes is 1 bad day like the Justice Lords Superman (executing Flash on live-TV, nearly nuking the world, mocking Superman about how he allowed Luthor to go free) for the DCAU Superman to go rogue.

>>89441826
And you know what the worst thing is? Darkseid won. He didn't conquer Earth, but he ruined Superman's reputation and the trust that he built with humanity.

I've always wondered just how the fuck was he able to regain the world's trust after Legacy? Because by JL's pilot, it seems that most people are okay with him. Though it helps that the impostor Senator Carter probably gave a lot of good PR for Superman so that he could use him as a dupe for the Imperium's conquest.

I've always wished we had a comic or animated movie about what happened between Superman TAS' ending and the premiere of the JL series. I mean, did Clark Kent act any differently since his reputation wasn't ruined but Superman's? Or was he always on edge because he was trying to save the day while getting crap thrown at him and people telling him to "Go back where you came from stinking alien!"

And remember, Superman can hear anything. All those whispers and conversations about how the alien can't be trusted and it's all a trick to lower everyone's guard.

>>89435677

I loved it I'm a bigger Btas but I wasn't a superman fan at all and this made me like the man of steel

That fact it introduced me to a slew of villains that I grew to love from Lex to Mxlpx

Some good memories with this show

>>89445635
Mid-Century Modern. There was nothing retro about the style at the time.

Does it have developed villains like BTAS?

>>89439490

Agree with this. It always irked me that many Superman fans seem to find it wholly unacceptable to reduce Superman's power level somewhat to levels that aid in more dramatic storytelling.

It's not like he has always been a planet busting character, just the most prolific victim if power creep

>>89441982
An easy explanation where he would get his toys would be that Mr.Mxyzptlk provides the resources for him.

>>89445388
>when you're at a cosplay party and some ruffians insult m'ladies.

>>89444879

I dunno, I can buy someone like Livewire hurting Supes but not someone with Volcanas powers.

>>89449834
And a quote that didn't help the situation.

>>89451647
Hamilton can fucking die. Throughout the entire series Superman was a total bro to Hamilton, gave him scientific wonders, and knowledge beyond what human ever had before. Gave him a space ship, took him to the fortress, and even showed him how to make a phantom zone projector. And the one time Superman truly needs him(I don't count when Supes was trapped in the phantom zone because Hamilton/Earth needed Supes) Hamilton refuses cause he's a fucking coward.


Superman wasn't even asking for himself. he was asking for Supergirl WHO HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG. And who was also Hamilton's friend and when Hamilton kicked Supes while he was having literally the worse day of his life Supes lashed out, realized he fucked up, and apologized. And for that Hamilton joined an antisuperhero shadow program and created a clone of Supergirl that tried to kill HER, not Superman, the big scary guy who "put the nerd in the locker", Supergirl, the one who never hurt Hamilton at all.

Fuck Hamilton

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>>89449834

>>89444949
>>89445595

Hated how they switched from Michael Dorn to Phil Lamar for JLU. They sounded nothing alike.

>>89452771

Probably just as much as BTAS. Sometimes it even felt that the episodes focused more on the villian (Which for the Luthor episodes really worked out because Lex was amazingly well written)

>>89453565

Dorn had a bigger role as Kalibak in JL and JLU.

The greatest of all time.

>>89447595
It's always hilarious to me how possibly the most awesome iteration of Darkseid outside of Kirby himself was made by dudes who self-admittedly did not get Darkseid one bit.

>>89447595
>Ironside is an avowed pacifist and doesn't want to play extremely violent characters any more

I think this is probably bullshit. Ironside has turned into a hopeless drunk and probably lost the roles he had due to not being able to stay sober for five minutes. He JUST appeared as a horrible murdering monster in Turbokid a year or two ago, for one thing. And, yes, he was visibly drunk in that as well.

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>>89440031
>Lex's property being randomly destroyed that entire episode

It's like he truly became one with Ed Bighead from the random, unprovoked misfortune he was subjected to

>>89441565
>Metal guitar riffs

I loved those on JLA or Batman: Beyond.

The animation was fucking superb. Everything was so fluid and vibrant.

>>89454388
Got any source? What I've scrounged from the net says he used to be be an alcoholic, but is a teetotaler for like three decades now.

If he's not appearing anywhere, it's probably because the fucker survived cancer twice.

>>89453677
couldn't he have just thrown it straight up once he was outside the window?

>>89451634
Parasite, Copperhead, AND Shade died in that ep? Holy shit, what a loss.

>>89455886
>>89455904
Dude, this episode was fucking tops.

>>89456091
From what you and the other anon said, Ironside's apparently been through a lot.

>>89455904
I love how dark this show got.

>>89439497
Why did they change VA?

>>89436241
Same