/doag/ - Dumbing of Age - Group therapy

>>89350234
>2 people having a decent conversation
>"yuck, christians"
>where'ethejokebuckley.jpg
Man, fuck Willis.

Aw man, you think Willis will go the distance and have Joyce cuck Sarah?

>>89350234
goddamnit other patreanon, I just saved it.

I surprisingly have no problems with the bulk of this page. I've had pleasant religious discussions with people I disagreed with, and it sounded much like this

that said, the last panel, while fitting in character, feels wholly unnecessary as willis tries to force a joke.

also
>"just recalling old childhood sermons from memory and putting them into comics" comics

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>>89350234
There is nothing the least bit funny or entertaining about this hot mess.

It's a WORDS WORDS WORDS strip without the smallest sense of irony or humor.

I actually get most of the scripture references, but other than Joyce making a (maybe?) suggestive glance at Jacob, there is literally nothing of substance here.

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Hey is anyone gonna mention how retarded Joyce's jacket is?

It only covers half of her upper body!

Oh yeah and obligatory
>Willis is an over opinionated fuck who can't write
comment incase you guys forgot

>>89350453
It's not her fault she's got giant cow tits anon.

>>89350479
I mean when you say it like that...

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>>89350453
Yeah, I mentioned it a few threads back. Sarah's is too small as well.

My guess is they fucked up their laundry because they were too busy getting off on the dryers to pay attention to clothes labels.

I'd say just fuck already but I've seen Willis' porn so please don't

>>89350234
Didn't Willis do a strip like this once before, where the punch line was literally "Oh, look how adorable it is that these two Christians are talking about religion?"

I still can't get over Jacob's shoulders being three-heads-wide. Aren't natural proportions, like, two heads wide?

Also, I can't find the password. I guess Willis made it less obvious this time around, or it's a string of two words.

>>89350688
There's a lot of words here, buddy. This one might be your greatest challenge yet.

>>89350734
I'd keep trying, but I've got better things to be doing at midnight, like whacking off to better porn than Willis'.

Which reminds me, somebody needs to borrow somebody else's Slipshine subscription already. Not even Sad Panda is posting Willis-shit.

>>89350453
>>89350555
theyre short on purpose, its, like, fashion or something

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>>89350592
Saw Willis' porn too. That is the most awkward shit I've ever seen. Jesus Christ.

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>>89350818
"Fashion"

>>89350978
it doesnt have to be good to be fashion

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>>89350815
Considered taking a one time hit to the wallet for a content dump at one time, but.....

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>>89350234
It's nice to see Joyce getting to have a conversation like this (even if I'm finding it hard to think about her strong beliefs as separate from Willis' ideological inflexibility). It's pretty cute.
>Sarah calling Joe, "hon"
Also, pretty cute. Although her face is uh... is she having an aneurysm?

Turns out all you have to do to make this comic kinda good, is have characters who don't usually appear or interact with each other form links with people they have things in common with. Between this bit and Dorothy and Billie's drunken angsty episode, it's palatable. Although the Robin n LesBean stuff is weak and the RA campaigning is still dumb.

>>89350234
Jacob is arguing from an Unitarian Universalist position in case anyone was wondering.

Also Willis should just bite the bullet and make JoycexJacob and SarahxJoe canon.

>>89351122
>$25 for one month
Jesus Christ, no wonder Slipshine is bleeding customers.

>>89351134
>Turns out all you have to do to make this comic kinda good, is have characters who don't usually appear or interact with each other form links with people they have things in common with.
That's less making DoA good and more fleshing out your world. Over time, writers can fall into characters interacting almost exclusively with one small set of characters while excluding others. You want to form some kind of connection between every character, if only once.
Like I said a few days or a week ago, Joyce and Danny have only ever interacted twice in the DoA Universe.

>>89350818
Sure, cropped hoodies exist, but I just don't see Joyce buying a hoodie that is designed to expose the midriff.

Besides, none of the images I could find with a few google searches look anything like whatever Joyce and Sarah are doing.

Now, this might be a wild guess, but maaaaaaaaybe Willis just sucks at art and doesn't know how clothes work.

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>>89351346
this looks pretty similar, except for the zipper

>I just don't see Joyce buying a hoodie that is designed to expose the midriff
well shes wearing something under it, so why not?

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>>89351346
>Sure, cropped hoodies exist, but I just don't see Joyce buying a hoodie that is designed to expose the midriff.
>>89351414
>well shes wearing something under it, so why not?
This idea was kinda brought up before. It's a way for her to wear cute fashions without exposing too much.

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>>89350555
Is it just me or do I want Joyce to titfuck me...

That can't just be me

>>89350688
>Aren't natural proportions, like, two heads wide?


Probably. But you really need to ask where WIllis is concerned? Such trivial matters do not concern him

>>89351134
>... is she having an aneurysm?
Dealing with Joyce for too long gives her Forest Whitaker eye.

>>89351496
It's just odd that it seems to only apply to Jacob. Every other character's shoulders are proportioned correctly, but Jacob seems to be modeled after football players in full uniform, by which I mean Willis thought that all that padding and protection was pure muscle.

>>89351486
Only if she gets over her issues with sex. I can't get into it unless she's into it.

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Joyce is right and there is no salvation outside of Christianity according to the Bible, unless Jesus himself miraculously appears and blesses your alternate path.

Just saying.

>>89351781

i love when cheeky artists get the vagina imagery in

>>89350362
Forgive poor Sarah at least. This whole thing started off as a PG attempt to get her laid.

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>>89351781
>Not recognizing that the Bible just has that in there so they feel justified knocking on your door asking for donations and conversion

I can't wait for Joyce to find out Jacob is a sex addict when she goes over to visit and he relapsed into a four way or something

>>89350555
>"57 Varieties of Ketchup" romance novel
Nice, Willis

>>89351122
Fucking $25 dollars for some not that good porn. Fucking nope!

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>>89350555

>>89350555
You know, it makes me wonder if this ever actually happened in-universe.

>>89351167
>Also Willis should just bite the bullet and make JoycexJacob and SarahxJoe canon.
Seconded.

>>89350453
I've seen stuff like what they're wearing at Forever 21.

>>89351167
>>89353670

>Blacked Joyce

>>89353110
It's hard for stuff like that to compete with the sheer volume of what's currently available for free outside of the site. I'm sure it fills some niche, but that much per month is too much for most people.

>>89351122

The sad thing is I just KNOW there's some anon out there on the internet with a subscription who'd be willing to dump, but I'm fucked if I could find the venue through which to request it.

>>89353110

I downloaded a siterip out of curiosity and inspected everything to see what was worth it.

There's only a small handful out of like, a hundred which are worth even glancing at. And that INCLUDES Willy's shit.

>>89351740

Willis is a retard. Thats the long and the short of it.

Also, Willis deep down probably craves the black dick. Jacob IS the only black guy in the strip with any real degree of prominence.

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>>89351167
>Jacob is arguing from an Unitarian Universalist position in case anyone was wondering.
Also known as the "lol theology I don't understand what's that I do what feels good but i'm totally spiritual and not a secular hedonist" position.
>tfw you don't live in a world where old Perennialists rise from the grave solely to cane these people with the rage of a thousand Singaporean officials who just saw you spit bubblegum on the sidewalk during a military parade

>>89350234
Joyce hopped back on the Christian wagon pretty fast. Guess she recovered from thinking her faith was a Goddamned Lie.

Alternately, she's building up her progressive cred by getting another Black Friend.

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>>89355623
>Joyce hopped back on the Christian wagon pretty fast. Guess she recovered from thinking her faith was a Goddamned Lie.

>>89355666
When she was questioning her faith because Becky was learning about evolution and dinosaurs, she said something along those lines.

>>89355666
>>89356573
Willis likes to cycle Joyce's optimism and faith in God.

>I love God because He provides for us!
Something bad happens.
>I'm not so sure God is as wonderful as I thought.
Something lifts her spirits.
>I love God because He provides for us!

Rinse and repeat.

>>89351781
Technically no, Joyce is incorrect. There is no salvation.

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>>89355623
You know she iddn't reject everything all at once, right?

Basically, she couldn't handle her community, but that doesn't mean she has rejected all of her faith all together.

A few strip earlier she just admitted she was an hippie christian.
>>89357129
That's not a cycle, that's a gradual change that happens.
>Something bad happens.
That wasn't the gist of it. the thing that first made her question her faith was how some of the strong belief ended up hurting her firend as well as people she consider didn't desrve it.

It's not a "what has the world foresaken me?" kind of loss of faith, it's a "some of those things my community stand for are really quite nasty".

As she is, right now, her faith hasn't really been shaken yet. What she has come to reject is the community in which that faith grew. There hasn't been any backtracking on that yet.

>>89355570
Is that the sort of theology that would fly in an Episcopalian church?

>>89357214
>As she is, right now, her faith hasn't really been shaken yet. What she has come to reject is the community in which that faith grew. There hasn't been any backtracking on that yet.

This is why I posted question mark face

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Hey, I just noticed something in this here preview panel.

First, ignore the hands of Dorothy and Walky. They are horrendous, but not our subject of focus. Now, look at Joyce's hand as it leans on the table.

Pre-eee-etty sure that would cause a good deal of pain, to put your body weight on a limb that had recently suffered an injury.

>>89357286

Oh my god you have no fucking idea how well UU shit flies in the Episcopal Church.

I hope Joyce gives into temptation, rides Jacob like a stallion and makes Jacob keep it a secret. Then, Jacob breaks up with Raidah over the shame of it, starts seeing hot, "chaste," buxom, blonde women everywhere when he's out in public and freaking out. And it all ends with him becoming addicted to sex with Joyce, and going back for more, only to be used like a secret dildo.

Meanwhile, Sarah and Joe have a sexual tryst that leads to them slowly getting to know and like each other and establish a loving relationship and marriage.

>>89357357
willis doesn't know how wrist injuries work...I'm surprised he's still remembering to draw the brace.

>>89357357
See, what I hate more about this panel is that Roz and Joe feel compelled to lean in, when realistically, the person they're listening to (almost certainly Leslie) is at the front of the room, where they'd all be able to see her without leaning in.

>>89357357
Maybe her injury isn't that bad physically

It's all in her head

>>89359655
I was kind of under the impression that it wasn't really bothering her, and she's wearing it because they're making her.

How long does a person have to wear a wrist brace like that for?

>>89360862
Somewhere between 3-5 weeks, since Joyce was given a comically smalltime wrist fracture to contrast with Toedad getting fucking wrecked.

Let's see if Willis actually remembers.

>>89361083
So if Willis doesn't want people to die so everyone won't be in mourning for decades, then why did he give Joyce an injury that will take 3-5 years IRL to deal with?

>>89361296
David Willis is not a smart man

>>89357286
Not officially, but many of the reverends tend to be pretty liberal. Then again, I'm more familiar with the Australian Anglican church/Church of England, and I've heard that the Episcopal side is even more permissive.

>>89358023
I'm totally fine with most of this. I think Jacob would resist letting Joyce do that, based on his current attitudes.

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>>89351779
>I can't get into it unless she's into it.
GOSH DARN WELL THIS

>>89362391
This arc ended so anticlimactically. She flips her dad off at the hospital and leaves, and it's basically never talked about again.

>>89357286
>>89357958
>>89361495
I spent most of my life attending an Episcopal church; while individually churches can be very liberal, no Episcopalian church would actually go as far as the position Jacob is arguing. The Anglican Communion is less hierarchical than Catholicism, but not completely autocephalous like the Eastern Orthodox, so no matter how liberal or conservative an individual church is it still has to fit within the general doctrinal and liturgical precepts of Anglicanism as directed by their province and autonomous Church.

I'm sure followers of Hinduism/Buddhism/Sikhism/ Judaism are not at all creeped out by the idea of Christians treating their religions as backdoors to the Christian heaven.

>>89359387
The brace seems to be a part of Joyce's character design now. Probably meant to be symbolic, but I don't care.

>>89359606
Yeah, I brought up before and when Robin came to visit, but it seems like in Leslie's gender studies class, Willis is doing his damnedest to avoid having to draw anybody who aren't in the established DoA class.

>>89361296
Now he doesn't have to actually have a brace-removal story. He'll just leave it on forever. And if anybody asks, he can just make a throwaway strip where Joyce is like "It's healed, but I'm used to wearing the brace so I'm keeping it."

>>89362862
Yeah, pretty much.
I remember how the edit where Becky had a calm and collected response to what Toedad said came off to Willis as something out of a Hallmark movie, rather than being
you know
human.

>>89364873
>something out of a Hallmark movie
I guess that means that anything without a joke at the end is in a Hallmark movie or Funky Winkerbean.

>>89364867
Well, they're the ones worshipping the multiarmed demons. We're doing the best we can to reconcile here.

>>89365974
>Judaism
>Multi-Armed Demons

>>89364873
In all honesty I do agree w

If Toedad actually was a concerned father, then yeah, it makes sense that Becky
would do that, but the dude kidnaps her and threatens to murder her friends with a gun, and then blames her for destroying his family, because that's what Becky is to him. She's just another aspect of what makes him a Good Christian Man, personal desire be damned.

It's totally legit to think it would have been better this way, fact is I agree and turning the whole thing into a giant car chase destroyed what should have been the resolution to a year of build up, but I think Becky going "fuck you dad" when she realizes that he doesn't actually love her is okay too.

>>89366322
>It's totally legit to think it would have been better this way, fact is I agree and turning the whole thing into a giant car chase destroyed what should have been the resolution to a year of build up, but I think Becky going "fuck you dad" when she realizes that he doesn't actually love her is okay too.
I want to agree with you, and I think what's holding me back is how poorly her reaction was done. It's one thing to flip the bird and GTFO, but I think the way it was written was awkward and tacky.

>>89350555

No one EVER casually holds their feet like that. The only possible reason someone would hold their feet in those positions would be to deliberately entice foot fetishists.

It's lile Willis is literally screaming "LOOK! FEET!!! START FAPPING!!!" It's too forced

>>89366322
I think you're right, in that if everything with Toedad stays exactly as Willis wrote it, then a flippant response is just as valid as a pained response.

The problem, as I see it, is that Willis's interpretation of Toedad is...limited. We only see Toedad at his worst, and given that gun-toting car chases aren't what he usually does on a weekday, it's arguable that Toedad was an okay if flawed guy who was driven into doing dumb violent shit by losing his wife and possibly losing his daughter, which would probably give Becky more conflicted feelings about leaving his crazy ass to rot in prison. I'm not saying that's what he was -- maybe he really was a consummate asshole through and through -- but since Willis (being the lazy fuckwit that he is) didn't bother giving him any depth, attacked anyone who thought that other interpretations could reasonably be drawn from the text, and doubled down on making him a fucking cartoon villain. So, yes, Toedad's characterization through the latter half of the Wild Ride might cause a young girl to just tell him to fuck off. But most of that characterization doesn't fucking work because Willis does it in such a hamfisted way.

And either way, I'm not exactly buying the 'smiling while flipping him off' bit. I mean, flipping him off, yes, but no one comes out of traumatic shit like that smiling like this was a total victory for them.

>>89368841
I still find it hilarious that he just stopped drawing Sarah's foot halfway through.

>>89367357
I was cool with it because it was ultimately just meant to be about Becky breaking away from her abusive fuckwit father. That said there definitely should be more to it; even just something with her privately breaking down with Dina would have had the same triumphant result of Becky cutting ties as well as showing that the armed kidnapping, you know, affected her in the slightest.

If I somehow had my way I would definitely rewrite the whole car chase to end when Amazi-Girl gets thrown off the car(and Sal peels her off a windshield and drags her off) and then Toedad's car swerves off road, and that's what stops them. I'm still okay with Joyce Dragon Punching him unconscious because it pleases me sexually.

Hey, /co/, I'm thinking about putting together a Unified Manifesto on Why Willis Sucks. I want something that I can consistently point to when I need to show exactly how crappy this man is, but I want it to be from a more liberal perspective than most of the other major Willis critiques

I already have an idea about what I'm going to write, but I'll take some input.

>>89369145
I think you should write about why the whole Mary vs. Carla thing didn't work as well as it should have. I appreciate the message but he ended up going from a perfectly reasonable "someone can be a jerk and not deserve hate speech, you dont call a black guy a nigger because you're arguing with him", to Mary literally using her blackmail to snipe at Carla for no reason other than she's just that much of an asshole because Willis hates his parents that fucking much.

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>>89369145
already did it

>>89369324
No, no, I mean a *unified* manifesto. About Mary/Carla and Toedad's Wild Ride and the new Leslie/Roz thing and his shitty hot take on racism with the Walkertons and his general mistreatment of his minority characters and maybe even going back to his defense of Ethan's shitty toy addiction and that fucking Soggies ending.

I want to have all of it, at my fingers, at any given time. And I want you guys to have it too.

>>89369498
there's the Shortpacked article on the Bad Webcomic Wiki, which is decently in-depth. There's a Dumbing of Age article on there, but it isn't nearly as long or detailed.

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>>89362862

>>89369498
Here's our current Google Doc if you want to pull anything from it:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SNqEtHsg_a2zm0ryB0rG8CzTLEVitftj4kQZ_Kg-Hsg/edit?pref=2&pli=1

I recall someone in here posting on Tumblr some of our most major complaints, but I don't remember where it was.

I think a good start is to just make bullet-point lists about our major issues with each of those problems, then to write it into something cohesive.

>>89357214

It's pretty hard to come to terms with the positive aspects of growing up in a faith, then realizing that agreeing with all Thier bullshit interpretations of Scripture takes the whole point of Jesus' teachings and throws out in favor of "minorites, women, and fags get out!"

Jesus seemed a lot more offended by hypocrisy in the clergy than sexual sin.

>>89370468
Most people just find a different church. Willis writing Joyce as realizing she can find other avenues for her faith rather than simply abandoning them is actually a pretty pleasant surprise, considering his own fundamentalist nature.

>>89369615
Like I said, I want a more liberal take on Willis's work. BWW's article is fairly good, but it's also written in a way that doesn't sit well with the tumblr audience. I also want something less invective. BWW's articles largely read like the webcomic artist killed the writer's family, burned their house down and fucked their corpses on the ashes. I want something more presentable.

>>89370089
I'll keep this open in a tab. Probably won't be able to get to it until the weekend, but I'll keep it open.

Also, I swear to god, Becky's haircut looked better in the earlier panels than the late ones.

>>89371305
You could focus on how Willis is a fairly sheltered/ignorant guy attempting to address subjects that require a good deal of knowledge and tact, like the Leslie/Robin or Becky/Dina relationship and Walky and Sal's family drama.

>>89371305
How long would you want it to be?

I have a Master's in English and get paid by corporations to write for them. I'm fairly active on Tumblr and have a decent headspace for understanding a lot of the problems that Willis is making worse when it comes to minorities.

I could probably jam something out in like two hours if I were asked nicely.

>>89371621
Just to add (this is the same person), it would be good if as many people as possible posted the basic versions of their complaints about the comic and the particular topics you want talked about.

>>89371665
my major complaint is that willis has been writing the same story for about 2 decades. He only writes what has been proven to be "liked" by his fans and never branches out of his comfort zone

>>89371621
I, er, sort of wanted to do it myself, if you don't mind

I mean, I'm sure you could probably do a better job, but I want my own voice in it. Plus, I need the practice

>>89371621
>>89371665
I feel like the best way to hash out everything wrong with DoA would be to start from the beginning of the strip and working along the timeline.

But that would take a lot more than two hours, of course.

>>89350234
>implying that isn't blasphemous
That faggot is a complete retard.
>salvation comes through Me
>you will know Me by My creation
>to seek Me follow My son and lamb
To fucking easy. Fuck this mudlslime shit. The logic is sound and the bible is pretty explicit on what is and isn't the right method to salvation.
Willis needs a bullet

>>89372816
Any in-depth analysis of DoA would need to have two parts, one that focuses on the shortcomings of the narrative within the daily strip format and one that focuses on the shortcomings of the narrative as a long-form work.

>>89373029
>you will know Me by My creation
Is the crux of Jacob's argument. Like it's been said before in the thread, he's arguing from a Unitarian Universalist position.

>>89357214
>strictly
>read book
>adhear to outline
There is strictly and wrong. I respect fundementalists of any ideology and theology for not being wishwashy posers. That of course doesn't preclude them from having shit theological and ideological beliefs though.

>>89362953

Well they can't OFFICIALLY say it, but it's sort of an unspoken truth among the parish.

other patreanon, you here?

>>89373085
Explain the logic of his position.
From what I can see the proposition is that creation itself creates an inherent onus on people to recognise that there is a God so that they may seek him. It does not, however, decree that all the recognition of creation or of the divine results in salvation. All the rest of that shit about adhearance to God's will is still in effect. All the stuff about Jesus and sin. All the stuff about false idols. There is nothing in that statement that even remotely redefines what it means.

He, like 'those' who 'said it before' in other arguments are fucking stupid. Unless there's a context or nuance to the passage he's quoting that isn't readily apparent then no, he's wrong and so is everyone else.

>>89373126
Keep in mind that the Anglican Communion doesn't not include all Anglican or Episcopal churches. Though most schisms within the Anglican Communion are due to churches opposing liberal practices of the Communion.

>>89373126
>unspoken truth
>all religions are sanctioned
That sounds like fun. Chalk up another Christian group courting damnation according to their own doctrine.
>b-bbut if they changed their minds it IS their doctrine
Sure, I supose it is in one sense. In the other, unless they're entirely discounting the bible in lieu of their own beliefs and the worlds of who they heed as the sun of God then, no. They are all fucked and really shit at believing things.

>>89373387
eh anyone can believe whatever they want as long as they don't keep me for making fun of Willis

>>89373455
>whatever they want
Within reason

Religious texts are not the direct word of whatever deity they extol, they are human products. Even if you believe they are the interpretation of a deity's direct communication with the author, they are still just interpretations.

>>89373544
>religious texts are secondary and therefore aren't valid enough to stringently define belief
>random opinions and lieniant speculation and 'interpretation' of the general dogma is
Neck yourself. Either you believe something or you believe something else. You can believe in half a collective but you cannot half-believe in a system of belief.

Everything else is convieniant excuses. Funny how most of the rule changes make way for more comfort and convieniance, chipping away at responsibility and investment while leaving the soft redemptive centre. It's almost as if people tend towards self serving interperpratations.

>>89373246
The entire interpretation is built to discredit wrongthink from the getgo.
>the only path to salvation is through Jesus and only ignorance is spared
>you can't be ignorant because Creation itself means you're aware of God and if you didn't seek Salvation then you get punished

So even if you've never heard of Jesus or the Bible, by observing reality, you're fucked. Great deal, guys.

It's literally "no because I said so" logic since it's entirely self-fulfilling and circular.

>>89373387

No one at contemporary Episcopal churches is even that into the doctrine, they just do it as a sort of feel-good thing and then make small talk at coffee hour because the real purpose of the church is to be a social club

>>89373918
It's not about theological validity. The point I am making is based on the internal logic. Both of their arguments assume at least some legitimacy in the bible. Given that, we can see that he is wrong.

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>>89373968
To they believe in the religion at all? Why bother pretending to believe something? Just join a club or something instead. It's like going to a hiking club after reading a manual that details how they'll be thrown off the top of the hill to their deaths, when they get there.

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>>89374006
Weird, I typed that in. Both after the url to autocomplete and after the chapter title as a proper url.

>>89374083
Last night, before it went live on the site?

The auto-complete doesn't work with posts that aren't actually on the site. You have to plug it into the actual image URL and directly access the strip itself.

>>89373905
>You can believe in half a collective but you cannot half-believe in a system of belief.
Yeah you can, I'm doing it right now

>>89374135
Oh, okay, my mistake then.

>>89366322

Eh

I feel that regardless of his current actions it'd be more realistic to be sad about what had happened. I mean, her father went off the deep end and tried to kidnap her with a gun. Joyce mentioned him taking them to Six Flags and shit when they were young so it's not like he was inherently evil.

Realistically, I feel like a normal person would at least be sad and worn down by their only remaining parent going nuts. But Willy is nothing if not an agent for shallow catharsis for his readers, so here we are...

>>89373905
Don't know why you're so upset over what I said when you seem to agree with it, but here's your (You).

>>89373246
Your argument hinges on a biblical literalism, a rather contentious topic.

Either way, I'm not a theologian nor do I subscribe to Jacob's argument so I'll just say to google "universal reconciliation" for a good overview of what Jacob is talking about. You may think it's a cop-out but it's actually a fairly complex topic related to the Problem of Hell and Christian eschatology.

>>89374037
There are over 85 million Episcopalians in the world, do you really think that all of them are just there to chitchat over snacks during coffee hour? Fuck, my experience with Southern Baptists is closer to church as a feel-good social club than my experience with Episcopalians.

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cute

>>89374401
>Has Joyce fucked the Buff Diglett yet?

>>89374401
this is gonna turn into a love triangle between sarah, joyce, and diglet isn't it?

>>89374469
Not after Sarah bashes Joyces head into a wall a few times.

>>89374469

It's gonna turn into a black thing, I'll tell you that

>>89374295
>do you really think that all of them are just there to chitchat over snacks during coffee hour?
You're right, we'd run out of snacks pretty fast.

>>89374401
>Joyce gunna get blacked

You think he's got the balls to do THAT porno?

>>89374401
Oh man, this is like, the gender swapped version of the thing I did. The guy trys to land a date for his friend but ends up dating said girl instead.

>>89374401
I still feel like Jacob could have used a lot more introduction/reintroduction before this story. Seriously, the most we've seen of him before this is either in snarky punchlines or being the object of Sarah's lust.

And I also don't really see why Willis is setting up Joyce to get BLACKED. I mean, it's in her destiny to get BLACKED as evidenced by Joyce/Walky in the Walkyverse. But what's up with her facial expressions in the last two panels? I hope that think on her pants is just shading and she's not getting wet.

Speaking of which, she goes from an hourglass figure to more rectangular in one panel.

In any case, I still don't understand how midterms are coming up, though I suppose it's partially because this school year started in September when it normally begins in August, and also because we don't actually SEE much of the cast's time in school classes.

Anyways, I can't find the password for this one either. I've got homework, so I can't focus on it anyways.

Also, there's a new porn pin-up.

>>89369324

Why does every criticism I read of this arc, pro-Mary or not, ignore the fact that Ruth socked Mary in the face? The RA of the dorm violently assaulted one of her own residents and got away with it. That completely changes the nature of the conflict and yet it's almost never brought up in discussion.

Even Willis had Ruth half-assedly admit that what she did was terrible.

>>89374401
okay, I'm about to ask a serious question because I don't know

is Joyce supposed to be fat? Is that why her jacket isn't going over her stomach?

>>89374401
Also, it may be just me, but the panel of Jacob from behind seems like the most realistically-proportioned version of Jacob yet.

>>89374401
>attempts to set her friend up with her crush
>accidentally bonds with him over something near and dear to her heart instead

Is Joyce the worlds shittiest wingwoman?

>>89374701
Sarah didn't even want him. So...yes?

>>89374701
I feel like that's supposed to be the joke, but we've seen that Sarah may be feeling some guilt over how she only treats Jacob as a meatstick to ride.

>>89374743
Maybe Willis is setting up Jacob to attempt to rape Joyce, and then Sarah appears out of nowhere to hit Jacob with a baseball bat, and then rape HIM instead.

>>89374401
joyce/jacob coming out of nowhere after all that setup with her texting joe
okay

>>89374661
no, its just a short jacket

>>89374401
>Involuntary hair twirling
She's got it bad. She's gonna push Jacob into a stall and ravish him. Or at least she would if she didn't have intractable issues and a roommate she doesn't want to hurt (although the latter isn't as much a deal breaker as the former).Still hoping for >>89358023


Midterm studying might've been a good chance for Sarah and Jacob to bond, too. At least for that one class they share. Doesn't bode well that Jacob didn't ask her, and Sarah would never initiate that without prompting.

Kinda weird that Joe and Sarah didn't say anything in the context of the two groups parting ways. Also, Jacob's reminder is really dry, not everything has to be quirky as fuck, but it could've been a little less stiff.

>>89374820
That's partially what I was talking about before.
Jacob is almost a non-character. His actual girlfriend, even less so.

So bringing him back and making him feel like he was always here is just weird. It's like the "Clone High" episode with Ponce, but played straight.

>>89374555
It's more that it's a basic dramedy writing trope you illiterate fuckwit.

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>>89374401
Title is "Corner"

Lots of colour bleed of Joyce's iris outline into the black lines around it.

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Apparently this is the cast listing that Willis is using for his next book. He expressed dissatisfaction in his inability to shove Carla into the lineup.

Note, among other things, that apparently being an atheist is more important for Dorothy than being a high school valedictorian.

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>>89372664
Go for it, dude! More power to you.

People should still post their issues with the comic, to make your life easier.

>>89372816
Ah, yes. I meant I could probably do a thing based off my memory. It's interesting you say that. At one point, I was going to go through every week of the comic and summarize the important points. It's nothing special, but here it is:

>Starts September 10, 2010, which is a Friday. Strip takes place on August 3, 2010.

>Becky and Joyce check out Joyce's new room. First poop reference. It's established that Becky is going to a different school. Joyce's dad complains that the dorm is nicer than when he was in school. Joyce mopes because Becky will be gone, but Becky is encouraging. A few other characters are visible in the lobby. Joyce has a lot of stuffed animals. Joyce's parents leave; they live 3 hours away. Joyce tells Becky she won't forget her, and Becky tells her not to change.

>Billie and Walky show up at the check-in desk. Billie is established as an alcoholic by the check-out person (Asma) and by Walky. First religion-based cursing. Billie doesn't like Walky and is cautious about rooming with his sister, who we can see on her motorcycle. We learn that Sal went to Catholic school, and Walky references Billie's alcoholism a second time.

>Danny and Dorothy (boyfriend and girlfriend) arrive and clearly state their problems: Dorothy is transferring to Yale later, and Danny only went to IU to follow her. Joe and Danny know each other.

>>89372664
>>89373056
-Daily strip format
-Long-form work
-Character development
-Timescale
-Character relationships
-Religion
-Parent relationships
-Abuse
-Attempted rape
-Political scandal
-Race relations
-Gender identity
-Sexual orientations

>>89373246
>All the stuff about false idols.
This is the most straightforward explanation as to why his statements can be considered incorrect. It's in the Ten Commandments.

>>89374156
Yeah, she essentially lost her second parent that day.

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>>89374401
More cropped out Joyce in the crop top.

>>89375658
>Not figuring out how to put character on cover into bio section.
Keep not trying, Willis, I'm sure you'll figure out this stuff at some point.

>>89374401
Oh... oh no. I don't know if Jacob feels the same way about her. He and Raidah are happy, but she doesn't go to church with him, so it's hard to say at this point. Sounds like religion is pretty important to him.

Also, Joyce being interested in a black guy is an interesting change of pace. Funny how she seems to have a thing for guys who are unavailable.

>>89374612
>it's in her destiny to get BLACKED as evidenced by Joyce/Walky in the Walkyverse.
Elaborate?

>>89374701
>Is Joyce the worlds shittiest wingwoman?
Yes.

>>89374797
>Maybe Willis is setting up Jacob to attempt to rape Joyce, and then Sarah appears out of nowhere to hit Jacob with a baseball bat, and then rape HIM instead.
I know you're being sarcastic, but that would be interesting. Rape of Repentance! In the name of Sexy Times, Sarah will punish you!

>>89374820
Willis hates us and doesn't want us to be happy.

>>89375658
They are slowly getting fatter. I'd think that Carla is more relevant to the story than Sal. Would have been easy enough.

>>89375741
Anyone have the smug exploitable Joyce? I feel like these two could be used together.

>>89374692
I think it's because one of his shoulders is cut off by the panel and his other arm is raised. It really hides how wide and straight his shoulders are normally drawn.

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>>89375807
>Anyone have the smug exploitable Joyce? I feel like these two could be used together.

>>89375658
>Becky getting second-billing, despite being in the comic for, what, two or three weeks in-universe?
>"All that was ignored and wallpapered over by his coming out on prom night" La la la, still ignoring how I typecast my only major gay male character as the gay guy and tried to play it off as being ironic
>'So technically she's homeless?' Haha, look at me avoiding an issue that I really should have addressed months ago
>The dead eyes on Becky

Yep! Looks like a standard Willis work! Who wants to bet that every single one of these is recycling old artwork?

>>89374555
OH SHIT IT'S COME FULL CIRCLE

>>89374401
Its dumb but at this point I want Joyce to be such a bad, naive wingman that she ends up having boxspring breaking sex with Jacob just to tell Sarah how much shes gonna love that dick once they start dating

>>89376781
I would love to see that, but she'll want to marry Jacob because they had sex, and that's reserved for married couples.

I'm mostly expecting Joyce to end up marrying Amber, because Joyce represents Willis, and Amber is basically the same as his wife.

Anyone else think it seems like none of the characters really have hobbies?

A few of them skate, and some of those few do roller derby. A few of them watch cartoons. A few of them casually enjoy video games.

But that's all I can think of.

>>89377603
>implying being a lesbian isn't a hobby in Willis Land

>>89377603
don't forget their weird level of knowledge and obsession with action figures and shitty old cartoons.

>>89371305
>I want a more liberal take on Willis's work.

I doubt it would be possible to be more Liberal than Willis. He's pretty much as far left as you can be.

>>89371621

Could you cut Mary some slack in it please?

>>89375807
>Willis hates us and doesn't want us to be happy.
I'm perfectly happy with Jacob/Joyce instead of Joe/Joyce as they both have their appeal. Suck it, Willis.

>>89376781
>>89377226
>Sarah, Jacob is a great guy and superhot, if you were more approachable you'd have no trouble landing him as your man.
>Joyce, you've been dating Jacob for the past month.
>Don't worry, it's all part of my plan; I saw it once in a Nicholas Sparks movie. All we need is a circus and a thunderstorm to get the ball rolling.

>>89379003
I dunno, does horseshoe theory apply? Willis is so liberal he's bending back towards the right.

>>89375807
>Elaborate
Joyce ends up with Walky. So, she doesn't get BLACKED, but like OREOED

>>89379190
Willis isn't full communist yet, even if he is a bit authoritarian in his comments. He's got a while before he hits the Stalin Edge of the left.

>>89379182
>Joyce, why the fuck do I have a wedding invitation in my mailbox and it says you're marrying Jacob in two months?!
>No, listen, it's perfect. Just burst through the door when the priest asks if anyone objects and it'll totally win Jacob over how brave you were to stop the wedding because you love him that much. Oh relax, it's going to be in his hippie church so it won't really count anyway

>>89379412
>Joyce, you have three kids with him.
>A fourth is on the way. Anyways, that's not why I called you here. I want you to quote-unquote "run into him" at the Goodwill tomorrow.
>Why?
>Because then you two will be able to spend some time together, and he'll remember how much happier his life was before he married me, and after that he'll begin seeing you more often. It's foolproof!

>>89374469
Love square, he already has a GF.

>>89374488

Why do the black people being an item have to be a thing? White guys date black chicks all the time

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>>89375863

Here's my line corrected version

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>>89379866

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>>89379878

>>89375658
>future President of the United States
You know who else said that? And did you see how things turned out for her? Yeah.

>Danny
>Hopeless
>Hanger-on
>Idealistic and gullible
>Loyal like a huge puppy
>Not so bright
Man, Willis has a lot of hang-ups about his former self-insert.

Also of note is that Willis focuses on basic personality details and who's dating whom. He doesn't offer character arc recaps or friendships/relationships other than romantic. It's all about the basics and who's fucking each other.
Make of it what you will.

>>89379365
Dude's too obsessed with consumerism to be a commie.

>>89350234
>Ha, fucking theists and their theology amiright my fellow free atheists XD

>>89350453
It's not Joyce's fault her body was literally built for breeding. She needs to stop slacking and start nurturing the seed of Jesus

>>89379890
you got the one of her in a sex toy store?

>>89350234
There are several occassion of Mulsims who have seen Jesus, and became Christians.

>>89350842
>the scene in a nineties comedy where the protagonist has a dream and a sexy lady licks his face but he wakes up and it's his dog