Lets have a good ol BvS appreciation thread.

>>89313458
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA

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>>89313474
eh not this please, the jesus links are tenuous at best and most of the stuff in the superkino is outdated

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>>89313458

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>>89313474
also the moby dick thing has been proven false:
http://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-easter-egg-batman-v-superman/

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>>89313500
please stop


>>89313507
thats a good grid

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>>89313500
alright this page is good cause it has the painting stuff, but the jesus ones like>>89313520 arent that good

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>>89313458
No, lets have a good ol The Last Airbender appreciation thread.

It is more kino than BvS.

What was your favorite TLAB theme? Mine was the clash of the modern man with spirituality.

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>>89313543
see like this shit, none of this is correct or helpful, this one is shit

>>89313458
>Lets have a good ol BvS appreciation thread
There isn't anything worth appreciating in Batman v Superman.

>>89313539
This just show that snyderfags made up and overthink most of this shit on a very dumb movie.

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>>89313574
There is plenty to appreciate, the cinematography, how it flips The Dark Knight Returns around, Superman's whole arc, etc.

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>>89313599
nah, I mean of course there is going to be some overreaching when interpreting art, but if you ignore the Superkino most of the stuff is right there and obvious.


Like its fine that initially people examining the movie over thought things, but now they have to be willing to tone it back and realize what parts were mistakes.

>>89313575
Under Snyder, actors only are allowed to have 2 face expressions right?

Only a frown like you smelled a fart, or screaming.

>>89313614
the icarus/atlas stuff is pretty good, but I never bought that Superman carrying the chain was meant to be a reference to the cross.

>>89313635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

At least come up with actual criticisms

I still don't think having decent shots here and there makes up for a really lacking script

I dunno, I get the feeling Goyer doesn't like doing superhero stuff

>>89313677
what do you think is lacking in the script? And most of the good things in it were done by Terrio.

>>89313677
also most of these posts are highlighting story elements not just nice looking shots. Foreshadowing, parallels, and illusion are all parts of a story.

>>89313677
I agree that Goyer isn't great with dialogue, but I do think having decent shots definitely makes up for that. It's a visual medium, too. I say the same thing about badly-written comics with really good art.

Batman's arc is about him losing faith in himself and his mission. Gotham hasn't changed one bit in these last 20 years of crusade, he only managed to lose people he cared about and the attack in Metropolis showed how truly powerless he is. Batman in his depression, frustration and anger sees Superman as an extension of himself: a guy playing hero and not helping anyone. If he now sees the futility of his actions, what will happen when Superman too wake up one day feeling the same way? Would he decide to rule the world? Destroy the planet? So Batman's pretty much looking for reason to end Superman AND himself.

Remember the dream in the beginning? The bats took him into the light but it was all a lie? Batman there is talking about his life mission, about the bats giving him his life purpose after the death of his parents, and how all of it had been a big fat lie because his crusade hadn't helped anyone. Batman lost faith. With the loss of faith comes the loss of his no-kill code, comes the loss of his will to live, comes rage.

>>89313731
what dialogue specifically stands out to you? And dont forget Terrio re-wrote it.

>>89313677

Goyer wrote JSA with Johns, though.

>>89313749
this is some solid copy+pasta

Rewatching The Dark Knight and this tonight

Its a good night

>>89313761
arguable how much he actually wrote, and while I agree the goyer hate is a bit much, his throwing shade against Martian Manhunter really killed his credibility.

>>89313761
Was that before or after MOS?

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>>89313772
good choices anon

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>>89313677
/tv/ actually used "kino" to describe movies with good cinematography but shit characters and writting, full of plotholes. Basicaly pretentious garbage.

Snyderfags that were stupid to actually think that it was a good thing.

>>89313785
before, like way before. Before he wrote that Blade movie too iirc.

>>89313785

Before.

>>89313802
>Im projecting my own meaning

sad really that you got to try this hard to convince yourself people dont like this movie. And of course Kino is used semi ironically, but outside of file names I havent seen anyone call this movie kino in this thread. Nice false flagging.

>45 posts
>10 IPs

>>89313853
>people have reply to each other on imageboards and have new thoughts
film at eleven

>>89313853

The guy's dumping pics.

People asking why he made Doomsday, think about the creation scenes -- how he cries when examining Zod. The Greek Icarus flew too close to the sun and fell, Zod and the other Kryptonians came across the universe simply to restore their people. Yet Superman struck them down, in Lex's eyes, to cement his status as a god. He gives the genesis chamber his own DNA and weeps viewing the lethal results of Superman's righteousness. "If God is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful" Lex manically laments as he remembers the abuses of his father. So if the super man's intentions for humanity are so supremely pure that he would act as destroyer for his own race, then there is no way he will never live up to them. The largest departure from comic book Lex Luthor is that he is no longer antagonizing Superman out of jealousy, beneath it all is a despair that Superman cannot fulfill the promise he made to this world.

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>>89313885
>>89313886
thanks reasonable anons

>>89313903
By his interaction with the ship and Zod, Lex is more abridge between 2 worlds than Superman will ever be. After Zod is reborn, Lex reaches out to embrace him. Mad scientist Lex Luthor is more a spiritualist as the ghost of Krypton arises to meet him. The worlds torn asunder by Superman, rather explicitly or implicitly, are linked by a shared experience of moral objectivism. Zod's unerring beliefs could not coexist with the Superman the same as tumultuous nature of humanity cannot. "If man won't kill God, then the devil will do it", there's double meaning: first off, Batman failed to end the Superman, but more importantly, Superman refused to give up his goodness - his godliness - viewing the underbelly of mankind. Batman's character arc in this movie is remembering that moral absolutes do still exist, then Lex's arc is attempting to prove to the world that they do as well. He never thought Superman would kill Batman. A layman would view Lex's catalog of metahuman files as brought on by paranoia. "The oldest lie in America is that power can be innocent" -- think of this of the objectivist scale, not the relativist one. These extraordinary people Lex catalogued cannot simply exist and be complacent, they factually must be like Superman as either savior or destroyer. Remember that despite aiding mankind, Prometheus was no man. Yet Lex's greatest fear is not that Olympus will succeed in stopping Prometheus - Superman has already brought down Olympus -, it's that humanity will. That necessitates the creation of Doomsday, the devil, a being rising against its destroyer. If Superman exists and is godly, then the devil must exist. If life is given to mankind by Prometheus, then anti-life must be given as well.

This, of course, perfectly ties together with the coming of Darkseid. In that deleted scene, he prays before Darkseid's church. Zack Snyder's Lex Luthor does not hate Superman. His villainy comes from believing in him the most out of anyone on the planet.

>>89313903
eh idk about that, I think it is all a mask for his jealousy. I mean Lex 101 is excusing your jealousy with big philosophical statements.

>>89313886
To me, it just goes to show how little appreciating there is to go around. Wonder why that is.

>>89313928
>Zack Snyder's Lex Luthor does not hate Superman. His villainy comes from believing in him the most out of anyone on the planet.

You know, I would like for this to be true but idk if there is enough evidence to support that yet. I guess we'll wait and see what JL does.

>>89313458
>empty metaphor appreciation thread

>>89313961
okay, what metaphors are empty in BvS?

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>>89313753
Stands out to me as bad? As much as I LOVE Clark talking about doing the right thing, who matters, and what a newspaper should stand for, it was a little weird for him to be saying that stuff to Perry White as if he wasn't the editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet. Some of Perry's remarks about Clark being a nerd were dumb too. Laid it on a bit thick. All I can think of right now.

I think the movie is really good, I own it and love the shit out of it but I can recognize that it isn't perfect lol.

>>89313973
Well, maybe the term "empty" isn't quite accurate. It's just that their all for their own sake. They aren't subtext, they're just easter eggs. A couple paintings on the wall. a choice of music there, every movie does this stuff but apparently it's supposed to be some sort of transformative statement when Snyder does it.

>>89314002
sure, I just wanted to start a conversation. I think you are right that Perry does lay it down thick, but I also think Perry knows that clark is Superman (hinted at when Perry lets Lois take the copter and when he is reading the newspaper at the end), hence him laying it down extra thick.
And Perry has always seemed like a guy who could take criticisms from his staff and just keep on with his day, but I can see why it would seem out of place in the movie.

>>89313458
Hi Snyder intern, enjoying the rain?

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Goyer managed to help James Robinson finish Starman after Archie Goodwin's death.

He gets a free pass from me forever on that alone.

>>89314047

They add allusions to things that happen in the plot, though.

>>89314047
well I disagree, I feel they all play into each other very well, and I would like the opportunity to argue my case without being vitriolic to you. Care to point to a specific one you feel highlights this problem?


If you would rather just not engage thats fine, I won't take offense.

>>89314080
Yeah, like every other fucking movie.

>>89314076
its not raining today :( tomorrow though

>>89314096

So?

>>89314096
well, not EVERY movie

>>89314079
I didnt know that, thats pretty rad.

>>89314109
So why are people treating this like it's special?

>>89314122
You're right, but plenty of other, better movies do it. Hell, Marvel movies do this stuff too.

Goyer is cool
Why the fuck do people, especially so called DC movie fans, seem to hate him

>>89314145
okay, point to a specific example of one you feel is empty in BvS. And then point to one in a Marvel movie.

>>89314158
because he called Martian Manhunter fans virgins

>>89314079
Anon, that version of Goyer is long gone.

>>89314145

>Hell, Marvel movies do this stuff too.

It made the first MCU a lot of fun.

>>89314173
Thats it?

>>89314158
He called Martian Manhunter fans virgins, called She-Hulk a slut and wrote three shitty movies.

>>89314191
idk outside of "look here is cap's shield" and "look, here is Hulk in the background" there really wasnt much of it.

>>89314173
>>89314200

And She-Hulk a whore made for Hulk to have babies with.

>>89314200
Yeah, he thinks his dumb nerd movies are way more hip than our dumb nerd movies.

>>89314239
thats reaching/projecting on your part

>>89314159
I'll admit, off the top of my head, I can't think of any particular instance of a song or a painting in the background of a Marvel movie that had something to do with the plot/story. Maybe that's because I'm hungry, or maybe it's because nobody has made a billion dumb infographics about them.

>>89314080
>look at this reference to a better movie XD
>its to something that is happening in this movie lol
>doesn't it make our movie better?? XD
>Don't you feel smart for getting it? lol

This kind of thing is like bait for pretentious faggots that believe that they are smarter than they really are. Most of them never whatched the referenced movies.

>>89314283
>>89314300

well its not just paintings, other movies and songs though, think of Lex's whole speech about demons coming from above and angels from below (why he turns the painting upside down). He is talking about Superman and trying to imply he is evil, and even goes out of his to make his idea true by making an "angel" out of Batman/Zod to kill Superman.
But what he says actually does end up being true in Justice League, where parademons will come from the sky and Superman will rise out of the ground.


There is more that is self contained within the movie if you want me to go on.

>>89314158
He said that if you know who Martian Manhunter is, you are a virgim, so he doesn't give a fuck for him.

It was basicaly an insult to most DC fans.

>>89314277
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/other/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-a-porn-star-also-knocks-martian-manhunter-a100521

>When Goyer was approached about adapting the character for film he harshly criticized the character, implying that Martian Manhunter was too obscure for the general audience. “How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?” After hearing some light applause and cheers, he added, “How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?”

>Goyer went on to explain: “Well, he hasn’t been rebooted but he’s a mainstay in the Justice League. He can’t be [frick]ing called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy. He can be called Manhunter…

>>89314414
yeah, no where there is comparing comic book movies anon....

hence me saying

>Yeah, he thinks his dumb nerd movies are way more hip than our dumb nerd movies.


is reaching. Thanks for proving my point.

>>89314372
>most DC fans

you over estimate MM's popularity. Its an insult to DCAU babies though.

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>>89314365
Hey, that actually reminds me of The Avengers. Remember when Tony is on the bridge of the Helicarrier and he points at that one guy who was playing Galaga?

Well, later in the movie when the sky opens up and the Chitauri pop out and Tony is flying up attacking them? What does that remind you of?

These metaphors are on the same level whether you're referencing classic mythology or classic arcade games.

>>89314548

That's a good one.

>>89314548
>>89314607

but its nothing like that at all, the aliens arent in ships like that and tony isnt in a ship and he doesnt just like fly at them by himself the whole avengers are there, and the aliens dont look anything like that. Im sorry it triggers you so much that a movie has allusions to its sequel that are obvious to see.


And its not like the movie even takes time to show us the galaga or anything, its literally just a joke.


Calm your tits.

>>89314548
>>89314607
>staying in a thread you dont like because you are mad someone appreciates thing in a movie

I'm glad my life has never gotten that low

>>89314414
A man cant do a drunk panel appearnce with being blacklisted?

>>89314632
Maybe r.eddit is better for you.

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>>89314548
BvS also has cool story layering that Avengers lacks, like how Superman's whole arc of over coming his inability to change the narrative is first shown in his fight with Batman as a microcosm of the arc's conclusion with Doomsday.


Or how Batman's whole arc is him almost becoming Lex and at the end he is literally face to face with the monster he almost became.

>>89314692
>wasting my life hating things is the essence of 4chan!!!

newfag detected

>>89313509
>>89313494
for these two. its meant to show that they have the scar in the same place, which is also where Superman stabs doomsday iirc.

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>>89314616
>no it doesn't count because they're not ships
>its literally just a joke.
Yeah, but BvS does it seriously.

>>89314867
yeah and thats part of good/effective storytelling

>>89314690
the angel is Michael the Archangel, who Bruce sees in his dream in Martha's mausoleum.

7th Day Adventists view Michael as the pre-incarnate Christ.

So in the painting, we see Jesus in a sense casting down the dragon, Satan, with a spear

subconciously this represents Bruce's belief in the noble nature of his crusade against Superman, as he crafts the Kryptonite spear to strike down the Superman, who is cast as devil by his detractors.

But in reality, it's foreshadowing Superman striking down Doomsday

>>89314867
>compares a joke to actual foreshadowing
>haha fuck BvS

man you are dumb

>>89314935
ill buy the Doomsday bit, but the rest is kind of far reaching

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>>89313666
Favorite scene from Man of Steel

>>89314920
>>89314947
I'm just saying that they're both foreshadowing. They're doing the exact same thing, but you treat one of them like it's way more special.

>>89314982
because one is a joke and not actually foreshadowing, the other is serious and done with thought

>>89315008
Just because it's done in jest doesn't mean it isn't foreshadowing.

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BvS threads are the comfiest threads known to man

>>89315034
but it isnt foreshadowing because everyone already knew the aliens were coming and it was established before then and it has nothing to do with what happens later outside of "they both have aliens" while what Lex says has very direct meaning to the future.

>105 posts
>15 posters
Holy shit

>>89314475
Its always funny how numales snyderfags are butthurt with everyone.

>>89315052
I like this one.

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>>89315082

>>89315065
>everyone already knew the aliens were coming
They showed the Parademons in the fucking trailers just like the Chitauri.

>>89314772
Nah, its the fact that you guys want a safespace to circlejerk and get butthurt with criticism.

Justice League trailer will drop in front of Lego Batman to emphasize the new fun family-friendly traditional tone
>>89315072
True kinosseurs

>>89315128
eh i doubt it, skull island is a much bigger release, another WB product, same sort of audience, and only comes out a month later

>>89315117
I havent seen that one before

>>89315118
yeah but they to Batman they are just figments of his dream, and its more about Darkseid and Superman. Stop trying to hard.

>>89315122
who here is asking for a safespace? You are just easily triggered.

>>89315177
>but they to Batman they are just figments of his dream
But they're still real within this universe and we're going to see them in Justice League, just like you said.

Split hairs all you want, I'm still correct.

>>89315190
Calling it an "appreciation" thread is asking for only positive opinions on BvS. Therefore, hugbox.

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>>89315159
have another lad

the amount of visual symmetry and foreshadowing in BvS and MoS is staggering

>>89315190
Haha

>why you come to mai thread say that the movie is bad??

Also, snyderfags LITERALY made more than one safespace thread some time ago to repost these same pics, probably OP. They were mocked all the time.

>>89315215
NO!

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>>89315242
> is asking for only positive opinions on BvS

no it isn't, it's just asking for some positive opinions. because every other thread on /co/ is fanboys ciclejerking about how BvS sucks because "not muh"

>>89315215
>But they're still real within this universe

Not yet they arent, and the point I was trying to make is that when the galaga scene happens, all the characters know of the aliens coming, but in universe in BvS no one knows that the parademons are real.


But sure, you are right, Avengers had one foreshadow as a joke that added nothing to the movie, while BvS had a foreshadow that doubled as a character's motivation and opinion on another character. And it had a whole thread worth of foreshadowing.

>>89315257
I never asked why he came to this thread, dont put words in my mouth, ya'll projecting hard.

>>89315249
ooo thanks, saved.

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>>89315363
I wonder how much that camera weights

>>89315289
Yes.

>>89315322
>Not yet they arent
But they are.

>all the characters know of the aliens coming
No they didn't, they were just trying to find the macguffin.

>while BvS had a foreshadow that doubled as a character's motivation and opinion on another character
It had a dumb villain speech that featured an overly blunt metaphor with the same motiff that the movies beats to death.

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>>89315396
i think like 40lbs?

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>>89315303
So a literal safespace?

>>89315478
>But they are.

Nah, so far they have just been shown in a dream, not yet confirmed real.


>No they didn't, they were just trying to find the macguffin.
But they did though.


>villain speech that featured an overly blunt metaphor with the same motiff that the movies beats to death.
what is that motiff?


And way to not actually argue against the fact that the line does have multiple meanings. But we are just arguing over a single scene of foreshdaowing that seems to really trigger you hard.


The movie is great on so many other levels.

>>89315516
asking for positive opinions does not exclude negative opinions and no one here has told anyone to not spout said negative opinions


goddamn you are dumb

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I hope Justice League isn't too neutered by the studio

>>89315551
But we know they're real because Justice League is happening, and if they weren't real, we wouldn't be talking about them.

>what is that motiff?
Flying shit.

>The movie is great on so many other levels.
If you only watch one movie a year, I guess.

>>89313458
Bumping, keep it up OP

>>89315572
Haha with some niggas literaly saying "g-get out of mai thread".

>>89315584
It'll be worse than you can possibly imagine but you'll treat it like it's the greatest thing you've ever seen. Just like BvS.

>>89315609
>talking about outside of movie knowledge in an argument that is specifically talking about IN movie knowledge
>cant even continue his argument when asked to expand upon a thought

wew lad

>>89315572
who has told anyone to leave? show it to me

>>89315584
I dont think it will, I have faith in Terrio and Snyder.

>>89315640
>talking about outside of movie knowledge in an argument that is specifically talking about IN movie knowledge
The movie's internal logic is irrelevant next to what the audience actually fucking knows. You're really selling yourself short here.

>cant even continue his argument when asked to expand upon a thought
I did, but you ignored it.

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By the way, for those who(rightly) criticized Cyborg's look in JL, the sculpture on the right is his "battle mode," so he won't look like a Transformer for the whole movie

>>89315639
>im still in this thread because it triggers me when people enjoy things

your constant shit posting is hilarious, keep it up.

>>89315675
But Snyder is Sucker Punch-tier awful tho. How could it be good?

>>89315699
Who are you quoting?

>>89315692
>The movie's internal logic is irrelevant next to what the audience actually fucking knows.

But it isnt, especially when 99% of the audience dont know about parademons outside of them being in a dream, and like ive said before its more referring to Darkseid (who hasent appeared yet) and Superman, but why are you even arguing this anymore? ALSO the dream sequence happens AFTER Lex gives his foreshadowing speech you fucking idiot.
>saying its shit is somehow a valid motif

kek, you didnt even spell the word correctly

>>89315699
>l-leave my thread p-please

Lmao

>>89315695
Looks pretty bad.

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this triggers the numale

>>89315768
>saying its shitposting is asking to leave

you cant even read m8

>>89315695
Interested how itll look in motion

>>89313494
>the jesus links are tenuous at best
>the links confirmed to be put there by the director himself are tenuous at best

Mmhm.

>>89315806
it's not great, but it's a lot better than the "standard" mode

>>89315748
>But it isnt, especially when 99% of the audience dont know about parademons outside of them being in a dream
Well, we know better.

>and like ive said before its more referring to Darkseid (who hasent appeared yet)
But Darkseid doesn't fly.

>saying its shit is somehow a valid motif
Well, I was actually referring to the motif of flying shit but it does have a "being shit" motif going on.

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>>89315809
Are you dumping your fap folder?

>>89315827
the director never tries to make SUperman jesus

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>>89315855
;)

>>89313520
The only agreeable thing in this is the Supes/Jor-el part.

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>>89315855
I recognize this image.

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>>89315871

>>89315692
>The movie's internal logic is irrelevant next to what the audience actually fucking knows
Fuck you, that's bullshit. A movie can rely on cliche and genre to understand what something is or how it factors into the world but the story should still explain enough that it's clear.

Without the outside of movie knowledge that this is a DC film, Wonder Woman and the Flash make no fucking sense in terms of the narrative and are never actually explained.

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>>89315809
The movie's still shit tho lmao

>>89315914
I like where you're going. Can't we all just get along?

>>89315929
Only if you post more DC gays.

>>89315923
WW and Flash are both explained though, or did u miss the whole "here are our previews of the JL members"

>>89315856
>Supes wanders the Earth and only accepts his true calling at 33
>all the fucking cross poses
>accepting his personal sacrifice in MoS with a backdrop of a Jesus mural in a fucking church
>the entire narrative of BvS treating him as a god in human flesh
>has his cheek cut and is killed by a spear
>dies for our sake
>will rise again
Come on nigga.

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>>89315993
Will do, senpai.

>They want to make a BvS appreciation thread
>Thread is hijacked by haters anyway

I fucking love /co/

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>>89316035
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>>89315923
They are explained as much as The Emperor is in Empire Strikes Back or Boba is in RTJ. In that they made the movies knowing they are part of a series and will be expanded upon in the following movies. Like how Cap's shield is just in IM with no explanation outside of it being something Tony's dad worked on, or the super soldir serum being a plot device in The Incredible Hulk without it being set up previous.

>>89316013
>or did u miss the whole "here are our previews of the JL members"
Thank you for proving my point. Without the knowledge it's a JL movie, the story itself fails to explain key details.

>slideshows of someone running really fast and another person going to the bank and a picture of them from 1919 explains that someone can time travel into someone else's dream to warn them and that she's apparently got a magic lasso that can detain an abomination

Diana shows up at Lex's party (apparently invited?), "snoops" around poorly, steals Batman's drive, returns it, is shown to be looking for a picture of herself from 1919, and then tries to leave on a plane (why the fuck is Wonder Woman flying coach) but then shows up in the fight in full armor with shield, sword, and glowing lasso. At what point does what precedes that arrival set that up?

The Flash powerpoint was shown after he appeared in the dream and even then it's just shown he moves fast, that doesn't dictate anything. Both these moments are integral to the final sequence against Doomsday and yet neither are even explained in the slightest.

>>89316018
Literally the whole point is that people compare him to a god but he isnt, hence him dying to prove he isnt a god.

Batman is also compared to jesus, but again, never is the movie saying "X is jesus"

>>89316018
Jesus wasnt killed by a spear u fucking idiot, it was to check to see if jesus was dead

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>>89316166
in fact, man of steel takes great pains to point out that superman is not jesus, that he's merely following the example of jesus

timestamped segment:

https://youtu.be/7p5-14rjWUM?t=31m43s

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>>89316166
>hence him dying to prove he isnt a god.

Just to rise again in another Jesus paralel, like all the scenes of the movie that copy paitings of christ.

LOL

>>89316246
STOP POSTING DEGENERANCY IN MY THREAD.

>>89313749
I agree with everything except the no kill code beings thematic choice; I think Zack just misunderstood DKR and though Bruce killing people was cool

>>89316283
god i hate the new 52 suits

>>89313458
it's garbage

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>>89316301
Your thread was shit, m8. This is way better.

>>89316311
the branding is clearly supposed to indicate how he's going too far, because it's basically murder

whereas shooting people who are shooting at you, as he did in the nolan films, isn't necessarily part of the same psychological and moral break

it still fits though

>>89316112
>They are explained as much as The Emperor is in Empire Strikes Back or Boba is in RTJ
Excuse you? From Episode 4, the very first in the franchise, it's called "The Empire", and then we see the leader as the Emperor, which Vader calls Master, not Emperor. That's perfectly set up. Boba is hired as a bounty hunter in Episode 5, this is a distinct chronology. That's establishment, and fulfillment.

>Like how Cap's shield is just in IM with no explanation outside of it being something Tony's dad worked on
Because in context that's all it needed to be. You don't need to introduce Cap to show off his shield. The explanation is sufficient for its role in that story.

>or the super soldir serum being a plot device in The Incredible Hulk without it being set up previous.
No because that's the reverse order. The super soldier serum is established in Hulk and elaborated in Cap. It is established as a prologue of "this much is necessary to know what Banner was trying to do", hence its effects when it fails. We don't really need Doc Frankenstein's entire backstory for why he wants to build a corpseman, a few details are fine. Premise is separate from the rest of the execution. Things excluded from the premise need to be established or explained in order to ground them within the rest of the world.

We get no details for who the Flash is, why he appears in this dream, how he appears in this dream, what Diana is and how her living a hundred years unaging is related to her fighting with a lasso, or any of that. Despite these being pretty fucking integral details.

It's like in Legend of Korra. Amon using bloodbending to block bending COULD be rationalized given the details we know about how bending works, but the story completely ignores any attempt to explain it. A story is a finished product, when you buy a sweater you don't get a ball of yarn and needles. At the very least the important details to the plot need to be explained otherwise it fails as a cohesive story.

Watched this for the first time last night. I have to say, I don't quite understand all the vitriol that's leveled at this movie. I heard such bad stuff that I expected to be repulsed, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.

Here are some things that stood out to me:

The beginning of the movie is a bit of a slog. It's easy to see where it's going, but Bruce, Clark, and Lex all get roughly equal screentime across individual plots that only cross over occasionally. It's not inherently a bad thing I don't think, and I'd need to rewatch it to even decide how I ultimately feel about it, but it jumped out at me as something that might put off other people. It's an unusual approach for a superhero movie (especially one that flaunts Batman v Superman in its title) but I have to commend Snyder for aiming so high.

On the matter of Lex: Is he supposed to be charmingly despicable, or just downright unlikable? Up until the bombing scene I was having a hard time figuring this out but I settled on the latter. It's markedly different, yet not inherently a bad take on the character, but I'm not sure that Eisenberg was really getting the point across.

Everyone else did a fantastic job though. I didn't much like Man of Steel but I liked Cavill then and he has really grown into the role wonderfully. Affleck did a great job as a paranoid Batman reacting to such a game-changer, and I'm interested to see what he brings to more Batman-focused material. Jeremy Irons fucking KILLED it as Alfred. Easily my favorite side character. Lawrence Fishburne and Diane Lane were great as well. I didn't mind Amy Adams this time around but I was not impressed by Gadot as Wonder Woman.

Ultimately I found it to be quite a beautifully shot film with a lot of thought-provoking subject matter in regards to how the real world would react to suddenly having a Superman around. And keep in mind this is all coming from someone that company warriors would deride as an "MCUck" or some such.

>>89313520
Anybody who has read arthurian novels know that it was actually Arthur who was pierced through by a spear, while Mordred got closer to hit Arthur in the head, leaving him bleeding to a sure death.

>>89316560
I hope this happen on JL.

>>89316580
the film takes a lot of inspiration from Excalibur, and that's how it happens in the film

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>>89316626
Don't we all.

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>>89315914
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FUCKING FAGGOTS GTFO

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>>89316822
hehehehehhehe

>>89316875
CUTE.

I wish some pics of Snyder like this, he already is tiny.

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>>89316967
lmao

>>89316311

It is, though.

>>89313458
I like the family themes and how much of an impact your upbringing can have on your life.

Isn't Batman similar to Achilles in that he treats Superman with cruelty more than is necessary when he throws him around with his grappling hook? Kind of like what Achilles does with Hector's body.

>>89317169

The movie was structured as a Greek revenge tragedy according to the writer, Chris Terios.

>>89317209

Honest question, why not just start a gay thread?

Is it just because you don't want to see people discussing the movie?

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>>89313604
>Superman's whole arc
>arc

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>>89317258
Because it's fun to fix shit threads.

>>89317284

Superman had a pretty easy to understand arc in the movie, though.

So do you guys know you're delusional or what?

>>89317314

So you're butthurt about people attempting to discuss a movie you don't like in earnest.

Got it.

>shots look similar to other shots or reference something else.
>therefore the movie is good.

>>89317375
>you don't like
no one likes it

>>89317421

Or people like the movie, and like miriad of references.

>>89317451

You shouldn't try speak for others. Is not polite.

>>89317219
Good. Do you have a link to the interview or whatever it is that you got the info from? I always felt like it had an Ancient Greek style to it, due to its scale and grandeur.

It's too bad that most films just seem so small comparatively. Especially now that we have the technology to make things even larger.

>>89317518

I'll try to search it up. Wait a bit.

>>89317518

I found one interview, which isn't the one i've read before, but he talks about it a bit.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/11/inside-chris-terrios-vision-for-batman-superman-and-justice-league/

>For “Batman v Superman,” I wanted to really dig into everything from ideas about American power to the structure of revenge tragedies to the huge canon of DC Comics to Amazon mythology.

I enjoyed the movie without looking into it too deeply.

Especially the director's cut.

>>89317518
here's a really in depth post about that aspect of the film

http://pulpklatura.tumblr.com/post/141843209469/batman-v-superman-the-modern-revenge-tragedy

also jesse eisenberg repeatedly described lex as a character out of a greek revenge tragedy in interviews

>>89317219

then they really fucked it up.

>>89317981

I kinda disagree? Could you say why, though. I'd love to see your opinion on it.

>>89317258
I though that you guys liked to masturbate to Snyder? Why you have a fap folder of him?

>>89318019

I don't have any photos of him or the actors in my hard-driver.

>>89318016

one of the big things in greek tragedy is the fatal flaw of the characters leading to the unavoidable tragedy. That didn't happen in this? Batman and Superman were just assholes who didn't talk to each other until they found out their moms had the same name and then they teamed up to fight Doomsday with Wonder Woman. It doesn't come across like a natural character choice for either of them, just bad writing.

Like if Batman killed Superman then found out about MARTHA i could maybe see it. or if Superman trusted Lex and that's why he died or even if Superman trusted Lex and gave him DNA and that's what caused Doomsday.

>>89317566
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>>89317954
Thank you very much!

>>89318147

What about >>89313749. Batman was pretty hopeless about his situation and externalizing his problems on Superman with his anger and actions to "put things to right" slowly making him turn into the man that killed his parents. Throughout the whole movie you've Alfred trying to stop him, but he just won't listen. That's why Lex manipulated him so easily. Lex just had to make Superman look reckless enough to justify Batman's own fears and actions.

Even Lex in his bid of power and retribution fell because of his own neurosis and inadequacies. He, like Batman, externalized all his fears and issues unto Superman and justified his actions based on it. He pretty much orchestrated his own downfall because of his mad quest.

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>It has been decreed by the council of Krypton that none ~again~ shall ever give life to a deformity.

Anyone willing to bet that Krypton created their own doomsday, and dildo rocketed him into space, where he finds Apokolips?

>>89318147
>>89318380

I would like to point out as well that Superman fatal flaw was his relationship with Lois, which later is turned on its head to be his strength, said strength that give him the resolve to sacrifice himself for her and the planet. It was his connection to Lois that gave his secret identity to Lex, that made him fall into Lex's trap, that created the whole mess with the congress because of what happened in the previous movie which also came about because Lois involvement, that brought his attention to Lexcorp, and that ultimately made him sacrifice himself.

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>>89317954
>Note also the horse that wanders by in the wake of Wayne Tower first falling. There is a lot of horse imagery in the film and I would like to state here that horses were associated with wealth and the divine in Greek theatre.

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>>89318473

Nah, i think the kryptonians were just prejudiced and domineering. They had the control over the codex which determined the bloodlines that would be born and they had the controll over the technology that processed how new babies would be formed. They didn't want any mixing or splicing or whatever with any alien form, thus Doomsday.

>>89318380

i don't think the movie in any way adequately portrayed that. For one thing we've seen versions of Batman fall into depression about his mission and turning into the Punisher is not his reaction. (DKR, Batman Beyond where he quit bc he almost used a gun)

I mean that quote says the movie is about batman losing faith but then argues he's already lost it and that lets him be manipulated??!?

I can't really argue about Lex except that's like classic villain shit, hell both Avengers movies had similar things. It happening to the hero is what makes a tragedy a tragedy.

>>89318555

this is a good point.

>>89318612
>horses were associated with wealth and the divine in Greek theatre.
How odd then that they fought their wars afoot.

>>89318612

>Superman's casket being drawn by white horses
>Dead Superman
>Rev 6:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death,

deepest movie

>>89318810
is that string cheese

>>89318669
So Kryptonians were the Galactic equivalent of White Supremacists?

>>89318673

>For one thing we've seen versions of Batman fall into depression about his mission and turning into the Punisher is not his reaction. (DKR, Batman Beyond where he quit bc he almost used a gun)

The circumstances are different, though.
In DKR he stopped being Batman because he was getting old and failed his partner. It was about him not being good enough anymore to be able of being of any help. Later he came back because the US had become THAT dire. He was compelled to do something because no one was doing anything.
In Batman Beyond he stopped again due to his old age. He was relying more and more on technology and his heart just wasn't being able to support the strain. He almost got desperate enough to resort to a gun.

In both stories he can only blame himself for his failures. In BvS he has Superman to use as a scapegoat. That's why it took the attack on Metropolis set him off.

The quote there said that Batman was already losing his hope on himself and the good he did in Gotham, if he ever did any good, but that it took the attack on Metropolis to truly show how hopeless and small he was. How insignificant his his desires, his lofty goals, his actions had been. But still that whole thing wasn't enough. What truly kept fucking him was seeing Superman constant fuck-ups on the news. That's what gets to him. It doesn't matter if it was fabricated. He didn't knew. The only thing he could see was that there was another hero doing his same mistakes, but the big difference was this one had the power to destroy the world. His people almost did it. So of course he, Batman, had to do something.

>>89318947

Pretty much, yeah. They had an eugenic program, after all.

In the John Byrne's reboot they were even worse.

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>259 replies
>33 posters
I'm loving every second of this

>>89318984
>says the guy posting gay pics

That's his real end game.

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serious question:

why do you have such a stockpile of softcore gay pornography? does that really get the juices flowing? this stuff is extremely tame.

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In a market saturated with boring, one-dimensional, post-camp, ironic superhero stories, this is one that actually aims to be about something and stubbornly refuses to laugh at itself. The problem of evil in religion, the nature of democracy, the state of modern media, fear of power and rejection of outsiders: all feature heavily and enrich the film, but play second fiddle to a simple story of loss, maternal love and the quiet power of hope. There are some welcome breaks from Snyder's distinctive visual style with arresting flashes of colour and a dialling down of slow-motion. The visual dynamism is palpable, but still unswervingly serves the script. Callbacks to Kubrick and Bergman actually feel earned, rather than just glamorous posters used to cover up the cracks in a dorm room's walls. This feels like a thematic culmination for Snyder: the conflict between religion, bureaucracy and machismo from 300, the feeling of parental loss and dream realities from Sucker Punch, which was dedicated to his late mother Marsha and the deconstruction of superheroics from Watchmen. There are few directors working today who could pull off such a monumental undertaking with such fearless style and commitment to singular vision, irrespective of commercial pressures.

>>89318952

Just to explain things a bit clearer, because i felt i made a mess. I just went on and on without reading it.

DKR and BB are more about Bruce not being able to be Batman due to old age. The question isn't about if he ever did any good, but rather if he can still do some good. It's all centralized on his future potential.

In BvS Bruce isn't that old. He can still perform as Batman. His age isn't questioned. What's put into question by the character himself is if his mission ever helped in anything, if dedicating his life to this mission ever amounted to anything. His own conclusions after MoS is a no. That's why he started branding criminals. He wants to place his mark on the world (or criminals) somehow. Leave something that is permanent. That will truly matter.

The answer comes to him after witnessing the continual fuck-ups of Superman. It's like he's starring at a mirror. The difference, of course, is that this guy isn't Batman and he isn't just fucking around in Gotham. This is Superman and he's operating on a global basis. The other kryptonians almost managed to wipe out the humans. What will happen when Superman get tired, like he did, and decided to leave his "mark" or just plain lose it?

So for Bruce taking out Superman before that can happen is the answer to what he had been looking for to give his life some meaning. To justify all the years of sacrifice. Not only his, but of the people around him. He'll truly save the world in that way. His life will matter.

Batman's arc in this movie was one of my favorite takes on Batman.

>>89314080
yeah let me just pause the movie catch up on a 100 years worth of art and music so i can properly enjoy this movie

>>89319505

But you need to understand those things to get the plot of the movie.

You don't need to know shit about what horses represent in Greek tragedy to understand the story. There are horses in the movie. Big whoop.

>>89319394

>That's why he started branding criminals. He wants to place his mark on the world (or criminals) somehow. Leave something that is permanent. That will truly matter.

i can't deal with a batman that brands people to be murdered in prison. or a batman that murders.

>>89313973

the jesus and passion stuff.

>>89313458
Movie was horseshit. Completely missed the point of Superman, Lex, and Batman. Forced Lois to be a central player, instead of, I don't know, FUCKING WONDER WOMAN, who was hamfisted in the most ass backwards way into the plot. No reason to care about secret asian mercy graves. Killed off the most iconic superman character next to lois, in a vain, autistic attempt into edgelord humor. Unnecessary juxtaposition between scenes and within themselves having (somehow, someway) an even more gaudy self-gratification of the director's "vision" without the slightest hint of self-awareness, and look at that, I haven't even touched the juvenile, sad excuse of a college level "story" yet.

Just because you polish up a turd doesn't mean someone wants to watch fancy diarrhea for 6 hours.

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Real talk, though: I've never seen any cinegrids for Marvel's films. I've seen one for the "Daredevil" series, but not any of the MCU films.

Meanwhile, semi-obscure hoodkino gets a nice huge grid like this:

>>89318555
>I would like to point out as well that Superman fatal flaw was his relationship with Lois, which later is turned on its head to be his strength,
Id that "strength" enough to make him the leader of Justice League though?

Because as far as I can tell, hell no.

And it is a little too late to change him. No matter what he does now, he would never be heroic enough to lead heroes who are currently more qualified than him.

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>>89319692
>I've never seen any cinegrids for Marvel's film

I'm pretty sure there's a company wide mandate that none of the films look good. You wouldn't want any style or creativity to interfere with the product.

>>89313458
Zack Snyder is actually pretty decent at bringing beautiful comic panels to life.

However, the writers and his direction of the movie was hot garbage.

Story bad, visuals A+

>>89319590

>i can't deal with a batman that brands people to be murdered in prison. or a batman that murders.

Batman wasn't aware that the criminals were being killed in jail because of their marks. Lex Luthor was the one paying criminals in jail to off those with the marks to make Batman look even more crueler.

Batman also only started to murder after the capitol bombing, that's the moment he jumped out of the precipice.

He blamed himself for not paying attention to the wheelchair dude, his old employee and one of the victims from the Metropolis attack, and he blamed himself for not acting sooner in regards to Superman (because now his old employee had just killed himself taking with him tons of innocent in his attempt to get revenge on Superman. He took all those deaths as his fault.

So that's what made him lose and decide to get the kryptonite as fast as possible without worrying about anyone on his path. That's when he discarded his no-kill code for good. He was now rushing against time and had to kill Superman as soon as possible. No more sitting around. No more waiting.

>>89319744

i'd rather a good movie that looks serviceable than a shitty movie that's pretty.

>>89319744
Yeah, they're probably too busy making sure the stories make sense and being true to the characters.

But fuck that noise, right? Just dangle some shiny keys in your face and you're just too happy, eh DCfag?

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>>89319776
good thing with snyder we get both

shame with marvel we get neither

>>89319808
>true to the characters

nobody cares about your "MUH MUH MUH MUH SUPERMAN SMILES!' nonsense, fanboy

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>>89319744
I don't even care about the DC/Marvel debate. I just want to see if there are ANY good shots.

I mean, shit, there's even a chart for the goddamn Cat in the Hat. How hard is it to find eight good frames of cinematography in a Marvel film?

>>89319734

That strength is what gave hope to a hopeless man and inspired a pessimistic demigod into action. Is that same strength that will bring the greatest team of heroes together.

Snyder already said that in JL every hero will base their actions on Superman. That he'll be their personal poster boy.

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>>89319930
here's one

pretty underwhelming desu senpai

>>89319930

you probably can it's just no one cares enough.

>>89319991

GOTG is def the best looking Marvel movie and GOTG 2 seems to be following in it's footsteps.

Black Panther is gonna blow em all out of the water though

>>89319808

>making sure the stories make sense and being true to the characters.

Come on.

There's not liking a new take on a beloved character, which is fair, but this shit about the MCU being faithful to the characters is a load of crap.

They're all new takes on the MU characters. New takes that most people like, sure, but new takes nonetheless.

>>89319991
Agreed, though it is at the very least Something.

I honestly expected at least one from one of the Captain America films before any of the other MCU films.

Come to think of it, I wonder who the DPs for the MCU films are. I know that MoS and BvS were shot by Larry Fong, who has worked with Zack Snyder on close to every one of his films. Not sure who did it for Suicide Squad, though.

>>89320089
you didn't answer me >>89319226

>>89319860
ONE FUCKING SMILE. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK, YOU BLITHERING WASTE OF CONSCIOUSNESS?

OR BETTER YET, A FUCKING SUPERMAN THAT DOESN'T MURDER.

10/10 YOU COCK SUCKING FAGGOT

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>>89320105

>>89320097
>I honestly expected at least one from one of the Captain America films
I feel like there where several good shots in winter soldier

>>89319628

The DC Cinematic Universe doesn't seem to be built to last forever, though.

I honestly don't understand why people have a problem with characters like Mercy dying. It's not like she's supposed to be alive and there in almost every movie forever like in the comics. The comics are built to last for fucking forever bar the usual reboots, but i doubt that the people doing the movies are expecting this to last like that.

Sure, complaints about a character being misused or not used to its full potential are valid, but being surprised that characters, specially minor characters, will die will movies is a bit naive. Specially in action blockbusters were people expect people to die by the bunch.

>>89316435
>I have to say, I don't quite understand all the vitriol that's leveled at this movie.
Personally I think it might have something to do with the traditional family values and more conservative themes that the movie had. People were scrambling to find excuses to hate the movie, but the negative reviews just ended up looking like a garbled mess.

>The beginning of the movie is a bit of a slog.
I can see why someone might say that, but for me it was quite enjoyable. It had quite a few memorable character moments and contained one of my favorite scenes: in the underground fight ring Bruce quickly whispers advice to one of the fighters which allows him to win the match. A lot of this stuff is subtle and it's sad many people don't realize it.

>Is he supposed to be charmingly despicable, or just downright unlikable?
For me, it reminds me of the young Birthright Lex combined with various other versions, except that he never had any of the negative parts of his life happen to him other than his father's abuse. His overconfident nature is a result from always getting what he wanted. He has a sort of charm to him but when you see through his facade you start to not like him. Basically, you as the audience get to see him for how he really is.

Good review though. I'm glad you gave your honest opinion. I feel bad that /co/ has devolved so much that it's become rare to see this. I'm glad you enjoy the MCU too but I doubt I'd call you an MCUck for it. I like the MCU too sometimes.

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>>89320115
lol

>>89320115

Superman smiled in these movies, though, he just didn't smiled enough apparently.

Superman also killed Zod and Doomsday in the comics, as well, and in these movies Zod and Doomsday are one and the same. So it kinda counts like one single death.

>>89320153
Iron Man didn't kill Happy Hogan and he's not in every movie since, but we can assume he's out there. Why can't the same just apply for DC?

>>89320216
the zod thing is so dumb

unless you're somebody who believes killing is never justified in any situation - i.e. an idiot - then superman was justified in killing zod in man of steel. there was no alternative. either every single human being on earth dies, or zod dies. one or the other.

also, it makes sense that superman would have a rule about not killing humans, because humans are basically helpless children to him, that wouldn't apply to other kryptonians.

>>89320157
>Personally I think it might have something to do with the traditional family values and more conservative themes that the movie had.

Fucking kek.

You millenials always trying to build huge conspirancies to feel like victims.

>>89319979
>Snyder already said that in JL every hero will base their actions on Superman. That he'll be their personal poster boy.
Why the hell would Wonderwoman, who is basically female Jesus, consider Clark Kent her role model? What exactly is she suppose to learn from the guy? Or Aquaman, king of the seas?

Superman is just a really powerful guy who was finally convinced that he should use his powers to help people. That isn't leadership.

>>89320310
how about the fact that wonder woman walked away from humanity because she couldn't deal with the carnage of world war 1, whereas superman not only didn't abandon humanity, he sacrificed himself without hesitation to save it

i mean the film is basically about optimism and faith and hope in man, "men are still good," and that applies to batman as well as wonder woman