What does it take to make a good cartoon for girls?

Fapable characters

Rapeable characters

>>89273519
Proactive protagonist(s), humor and lore. Same with any other cartoon.

>>89273519
Good male characters.

cool transformation sequences

>>89273813
Then why make girl shows at all?

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>>89273519
Start with a premise or a concept that isn't gender specific.

Make the cast mostly girls or all girls depending what kind of show it is.

Make sure to maybe have a proper female perspective on the writing staff.

Some creativity.

????

Profit.

>>89274286
Ideally you make shows that appeal to both.

>>89273519
Think of a cartoon made for boys, and take away reason and accountability.

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>>89273519
>Being a smart comedy
>Anvils
>Wild Takes
>Constriction
>Detail, but not to much that it takes away from the frame rate.
>The 12 rules of animation
>Animated at least on 2s
>50+ piece orchestra scoring the cartoon and a original score for each episode, no reusing music and NO MIDI!

Thats what they want.
Also this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=158yOFYY1do

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>>89273519
Good, or successful? Because those are rather different things. Much as I know people hate Lisa, the ending of this episode of The Simpsons summed it up nicely - You could create the most compelling, nuanced show aimed at gilrs imaginable but it's going to lose out to the flashy colourful toy advertisement because well, kids.

Little girls don't give a single shit about complex storytelling or character development, they just want dolls with different outfits to play with and minimal inspiration to inspire them (not that little boys are really any different). This is why W.I.T.C.H died and Winx Club survives.

>>89277446
>Little girls don't give a single shit about complex storytelling or character development.
Yes, they do as what goes on in The Simpsons does not happen in real life, what girls want is this >>89277350 (You) , giant mallets and dynamite (TNT sticks, bombs, ect.) in cartoons.

>>89274286
Retarded marketing practices that insist you can only appeal to a single demographic. It's the same reason marvel won't push Black Widow toys

>>89277652
Dude, we debunked that, executives don't do multiple demographics because they're idiots.

Make several characters with different femenine personalities. Sorry anons, bur MLP did this perfectly well.

>>89273519

Books/comics were WAAAAAY better. Wasn't repetitive "monster of the week" shit.

>>89279522
Others have done better however.

Make sure the cast has this persoanlities:

Nerdy girl
Tomboy girl
Sports girl
Shy girl
Mode girl
Party girl

Pander stories to your online friends. Profit!

>>89273519
All dude cast. Hot dudes, while at it. Hot dudes that get shirtless often and fight and suffer together - preferably while physically close to one another.

Horses.

>>89279610
This... is brilliant, actually.

>>89279603
>Mode girl
???

>>89273519
what's up with the black girl's hair?


>>89279571
like what

>>89279677
>what's up with the black girl's hair?

She has a spider in his neck.

>>89279689

*her

>>89279677
>what's up with the black girl's hair?
Magic, literally.

The first 12 issues of Witch were great, I tought: "finally a girl franchise with good storytelling and lore" Then later it became fashion, boyfirends and parties crap.

> adventure show, but without action being gory
> primary girl cast they can identify with, with each of them having one, identifiable trait
> love interests for the girls, they have to be attractive but also kind and charming, ultimately non-threatening
> villains are all guys, make them hot and questionably close to each other
> something about the power of friendship

>>89279603
don't forget male bumbling retard, so girls can feel superior to boys and laugh at his misfortune.

>>89277690
Young Justice appealed to a lot of demographics, though. None of those demographics were buying any toys.

>>89277690

No, they don't do multiple demographics because competing against yourself is retarded.

Go the anime way. Make cute characters who panders to little girls and +30 year old boys

>>89273519
The show needs to give the viewer the benefit of the doubt like the better boy cartoons. A lot of girl shows are afraid to give the protagonist real flaws and challenges to face, so instead we get shit like "Oh she's clumsy and awkward, apparently". The villain never goes very far, and thus there's no real tension or excitement. The idea is to teach girls that they're strong, but instead it sends the message that life is a big bowl of cinnamon and no tough, independent womyn will ever face any challenges because challenges are sexist.

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Is Steven Universe a cartoon for girls?

>>89279939

No, this is a trans and lesbian show

>>89279939
Steven Universe is for college students

>>89279782
would watch

>>89279974
so yes?

>>89279974
no its not

thats just what the idiots on Tumblr want you to think

>>89279803
That's the single most annoying thing.

>>89279939

No it's got universal appeal like AtLA.

>>89279803
>>89280101


who does this?

>>89280111
>universal

heh

>>89273519
poor's man winx club

>>89279603
They don't want that, they just want screwy rabbits, ducks and woodpeckers.
>>89279775
Doremi says hi.
>>89279818
And is now on Netflix, with a "FLAMING" new gay character in season 3 who is said to be "FABULOUS".
>>89279840
Tiny Toons & Animaniacs says hi.

>>89280378
>new gay

So you know literally nothing about Weisman?

> tiny toons & animaniacs

Sold no toys.

>>89280174
every anime

>>89280411
None of the OG characters were are even felt gay.

Also...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLxm7yx4qvs

>>89279939
It's not even really a cartoon for children. It's a show created by woman and manchildren for woman and manchildren. Notice I didn't say it's bad, I actually kinda like it, but its obvious it doesn't really care about appealing to kids at all.

>>89273519
It takes somebody to say that a girl's cartoon should be a cartoon for everyone.

>>89280787
In fack they should be no "girls" cartoons, just cartoons.

>>89279603
So Twilight, Applejack, Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy, Rarity, & Pinkie Pie (& Spike)?!

>>89280809
Pretty much. Make what people want & enjoy. Fuck doing something purely to score diversity points.

>>89280851
Yea, more of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnWwN1z_UM

And less of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP_rIAkb_v8 (Note that it's G1 and not FIM)

>>89280101

you're sexist!

>>89280938
It's sexist to portray the only male starring character as more flawed than perfect when the rest of the starring cast is more perfect than flawed. Sexism is a two-way street.

>>89280496
>None of the OG characters were are even felt gay.

...And how does a character "feel gay"?

>>89281057
Watch this, it will save your life one day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uOBveFKdGs

>>89280223

Universal as in across gender boundaries not that everyone likes it.

>>89273519
No:
Lesbian hair
Lesbain tranny body
Pretty much don't make it like korra

>>89281210
But that will be pandering, and pandering is bad.

>>89279661
I think that anon meant "Fashion girl". He/she is probably Mexican.

>>89273575
>>89273823
>>89273896
THIS
>>89273794
Not so much of this.

>>89273519
Make a good setup with non-gendered appeal, and then have characters and art design that appeal to girls (i.e. mostly female cast, put some effort into their clothes, have the occasional Mean Girls episode).

>>89279980
desu most cartoons this decade have; my dad and I agreed that Regular Show was a cartoon for college students who like watching kids cartoons.

>>89281138
>agenda

>>89273519

If you have to start off with the question "how do I appeal to X group of people", chances are better than good that you'll end up with crap.

>>89279939
Is a cartoon for lesbians.

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I've asked myself that question and given it a lot of thought.
I've looked at what has been made and tried to find patterns.
The sad fact seems to be that aiming at a female viewership is almost always an incredibly bad idea.
So the key is to make a show about girls that appeals to a male audience the way things like the original PowerPuff Girls did.
Simply put you make the girls into proactive characters who preform feats of heroism.

W.i.t.c.h was almost exactly what I would made BUT it would be a whole lot closer to Sailor Moon.

Usagi and her friends were Barbie dolls and it turns out little girls like Barbie dolls.
Regrettably "pretty" has become a derogatory aspect with it's every instance viewed as a giant "fuck you" toward ugly women and a form of mind control in regards to little girls.

Romance played a pretty substantial role and I'll leave it to you to guess perhaps the #1 genre that appeals the most to women throughout recorded human history.
Again though, heterosexual romance is a pretty big no-no for a children's cartoon, now more than ever.

My version could understandably not be made for a laundry list of reasons.
Paramount would probably be a lack of PoC characters.
I view that as a very condescending gesture, tokenism was the word I was looking for.
You run into problems with giving those characters flaws because they are taken as negative statements toward an entire race of people.
Diversity should be more personality based.

The one thing I agree on with many modern writers is that world building is fun.

If I wanted a cartoon
>aimed at girls
>proactive characters
>unique personalities
>and a main cast of all white women
than I'd need to disguise it.
Maybe make it about talking horses or something.

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>>89279939
Yeah. I think its also for a pretty wide audience. Not the masses mind you but I think there is certainly appeal to multiple groups of people including girls potentially.

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>>89288212
>That image.

>>89277446

>Little girls don't give a single shit about complex storytelling or character development,

This is not true at all.

think of a boy, then take away all the responsibility and reasoning.

Is a place that is at least 70% penis really the best place to ask this?

>>89288403
Don't be discriminating.

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>>89273519
Know what girls like.
Know what girls are (generally) interested in.
Make it with quality writing.

The last bit seems like a throwaway line, but there are some clear ways to write a story well and write a story poorly. You just need to, well, not write the story poorly. This means putting some thought in who the setting is supposed to work, putting some thought in the "message" sent and what is actually being said (since so many of these require some moral), and put some thought into the characters and how they can grow and change throughout the show. The last bit is especially important, as most girls and women tend to be interesting in interpersonal relationships, and making the characters and their reactions to each other interesting can help with driving the success of such a show.

Or you could make cheap plastic toys which are popular, and just use the TV show as a way to advertise that they are available for sale.

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>>89288403
"girl shows" pass through here regularly generally there isn't much of a following but clearly a number of males come here to discuss them. Regardless of the target audience of a series regardless of your gender you can still enjoy something not meant for you is something I have walked away from /co/ with even though half the time I don't really know specifically why.

>>89290576
>Or you could make cheap plastic toys which are popular, and just use the TV show as a way to advertise that they are available for sale.

Dildos the animated series when?