How's Your Webcomic? #342

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/ (surprisingly not a typo)

>Links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>Contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xPvvPTQaMI

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

>Comics for makin' comics!
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9pf1nwwa92lbp/Comics_for_making_Comics

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+draw+comics

cmon back in guys, we were in mid conversation when the last thread fell off page 10

>>89263379
Im drawing my comic rigth now in a stream. I dont if is too whorish to invite /hyw/

>how's your webcomic

Quite excellent, thank you. Getting new followers by the buttload, fanart. Attention. People storytiming it. Grateful PMs from happy readers.

I think I've finally made it.

>>89263502
sure why not. just keep in mind that link's gonna be up for a day and you're probably going to stream for, what, an hour?

>>89263550
that's a good feeling, man.
>Grateful PMs
people get grateful about a comic? Okay. I'll know I made it when I get fans asking me shit about the setting

>>89263562
Idk Im going all the time I can, Im not going to anything else today.
https://picarto.tv/Dogma

>>89263550
Which comic is yours?

>>89263586
>asking me shit about the setting

Well that's a weird metric for success.

>>89263627
Oh I don't post it here. This place is terrible.

>>89263663
Shrug. I take being a fan seriously, or at least I analyze a lot what I do as a fan. I want my fans to do the same. That's one of the kind of things I wish I could do if I could communicate with creators whose products I enjoy. I rarely think of thanking them.

Still having trouble with promotion. Nobody really knows the comic exists even though it has over 100 pages and has been running for more than a year. But I don't like shilling and I don't like trying to sell it on the strength of identity politics. It makes me feel all oogy.

We're going to print up some hard copies of the first four chapters soon though. Gonna sell it at cons.

And it does have some fans. We've even gotten fan art. One guy even wrote a piece of music for us.

It's currently on hiatus but it returns on February 6th.

All in all, I guess we're doing fine. I just wish we were doing better. But it's probably better to get noticed slowly over time than to be huge now and disappoint people because we can't live up to their expectations.

>>89263550
>still here looking for attention
No you haven't. Just because a few autists link it doesn't mean you've "made it".

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>>89263742

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Continuing from last thread.

>how's your webcomic

I notice that readership is up a bit, and the number's been consistent for a few days.

Gonna work on thumbnails for the next chapter this weekend. This chapter is all talking, so I gotta make sure it's visually interesting,

http://www.32kickup.com/

>>89263742
Oh. I was asking because I'd like to read it myself. But I'll respect your discretion here and move on if need be.

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Finished this page!

I'm so glad I got two done in one day.

>>89263810
>I don't like shilling and I don't like trying to sell it on the strength of identity politics. It makes me feel all oogy.
Good. have you thought of buying some ads? Another good thing is to do a quality guest comic for a high-profile comic that gets a lot of attention.

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>tfw month after month you watch as new up and coming youngsters get further and further ahead while you remain stuck in the same rut crippled by a mix of insecurities, rationalizations, and procrastination

>>89263854
These remade pages are kind of interesting for comparison. You're framing scenes a lot better than you used to. There's depth now. If you can ever get the hang of straight lines so environments don't look like they're made of flimsy pipe cleaners, your backgrounds might get up to the level of the rest.

>>89263893
The main artist is a fellow /co/mrade and he's almost always busy with other work. So we've never had the opportunity to make a guest comic for a high-profile comic. We also never seem to know when those opportunities come up until it's too late.

As for buying ads, we're part of publishing collective and we don't know if we're actually allowed to buy ads independently of them. We mostly just stay out of editorial's way as long as they decide to keep funding the comic.

>>89264077
well ask this collective how to promote the comic then

>>89264120
I have. Frequently. They won't even answer my emails. And talking to them directly always results in them either not replying at all or them saying the comic isn't far enough along yet or that they're planning to push it in some indeterminate future.

>>89264262
sorry to hear that. You know what I'm going to say now, right?

>>89264537
Actually, I don't!

Been trying to get more people to read it. I don't really have a site for it as I don't have enough content to justify it and am not producing things regularly enough to keep it regularly updated so I've just been sharing what I produce on social media sites but I feel like I'm not getting much of a response back. Any ideas on how to get my stuff out to a wider audience?

>>89264665
like, if they're not helping you, what good are they? either ditch them or stop worrying about whether you're "allowed" to buy ads.

>>89264734
get a website, dude. you don't have to get your own domain name yet if you don't have enough content to justify that, but a website is a bare minimum.

>>89264802
They are bankrolling the comic. Without that funding I wouldn't personally have enough money to finance regular updates. So that's why I don't ditch them. That and I'd then have to build brand new site to host it. And it's got a nontraditional format that wouldn't be compatible with Tapastic. Though maybe Tumblr could work.

>>89265042
well then it sounds like you're kinda fine, you're being supported.. I'd rather have that than successful promotion

>>89265305
I just hope they don't cut us for not bringing in enough readers. Though maybe we do get enough to stay above cancellation. The numbers required have never been clearly stated. But I know others have been cancelled in the past.

Anyway you're right. We're fine. I just wish more people knew we were even doing the comic. Most of our peers are super popular so I feel like we don't quite measure up.

>>89265613
That would be typical executive behavior, treating YOU like the one that needs to help THEM
well, leaving comments on big comics with links to your comic in the field where you can enter that info (some comments systems have that) and people will follow that link once in a while.

>>89265613
what's the comic? I'm sure you'll get some readers here

>>89265672
>well, leaving comments on big comics with links to your comic
What a shitty scumbag

>>89266201
not like, IN the comment. that would be douchey.
like I said, some have a slot for you to enter a URL when you leave a comment.

>>89263854
What's your website?

>>89266834
http://www.freakanimes.com/westtree/

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>>89266834

kerning handwritten text is so weird sometimes. Some characters just plain look better raised or lowered a bit

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I need to stop setting up these foreshortened shots. Takes so long to draw.

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>tfw no fans

>>89267429
at least you're pushing yourself. unlike some of me
i like that tire tread shot too, very cool.

>>89267429
Nah man, they look good, keep pushing yourself. The more you practice the faster you'll get at them. These are some pretty nicely composed panels, too.

>>89267429
Looks good, but a little stiff.

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>tfw you keep telling yourself you're going to work harder and make it someday but you're still posting on 4chan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOLzS2MmkzQ this shit is kinda funny and very on topic

dont die

>>89263820
Alright, then, anon.

How will I know when I've made it? What's my goal?

>>89271379
>kinda funny

Not really

>very on topic

Well in the sense that it's about webcomics. Beyond that it's all just cliches and maymays.

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Ok I did it I made one page, and only took me +5 hours.

>>89272634
better that than being more serious about bashing those cliches. I think it's a good idea to keep a lighthearted look at some of our foibles

>>89272727
>I'm so fucked up...

>>89271052
>tfw I own all the things in this
>tfw this might as well be me
You've gone too far this time, feelsposter

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>>89261957
>How's your webcomic
I've finally decided to just go with my pencil-like lineart idea instead of going through the painful process of trying to learn how to ink properly.
This just an example of sorts, but a finished product would look something like this except cleaned up a tad. I'll begin working on it again as the weekend comes. Can't wait!

>>89273946
with art this good, it's okay to stick with pencils. actually this looks really really good.

>>89273946
I feel I've seen this somewhere, like a screencap of Nappa from DBZ

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Working on layouts for page 3 now.

>>89274069
whoa, nice muscletwist

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how's my comic guys? honest opinions

>>89274244
Eh cute enough.

Only real grip is that panel beneath the third circle panel is touch, confuses which panel you need to go to after panel three.

Just seperate them and it should flow better.

>>89274598
it's a meme, just ignore it

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Setting up the first update of the first actual chapter.
Not completely done with it, but I liked this one scene I drew up for it

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thinking of doing a webcomic about a kangaroo, what do you think of the char so far?

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Cool, a new thread. Here's my daily salt. Not sure if I quite captured sugar in imagery, but I sure tried.

>>89267429
What a thinly veiled attempt at getting responses and praise. I know very well you're proud of that panel and that's why you're posting the page.

>>89272727
I wish my pages were taking me only 5+ hours.

>>89272847
kek

I've had an idea kicking around for a comic about a hero called Paladin, let me lay it out for you:

>Traditional fantasy fighting demons and undead and shit, MC is basically a space marine - reckless knight obsessed with JUSTICE and purging the heresy from his land.
>First major antagonist idea I had would be a Headless Horseman-type enigmatic villain who is immune to Paladin's main evil-vanquishing ability and the arc would center around a big greyshades morality conundrum involving Paladin's goddess.
>Other antagonistic forces might include a subfaction of Paladin's order led by a fanatical zealot whose goals ultimately align with Paladin's own but his methods are far crueler; a lich who, through his own twisted ideals, wants to unite all people in harmonious undeath; and a demon commander who wishes to conquer all worlds as a giant "fuck you" to to the goddess.
>Allied forces could include Paladin's order, the sister order of Battle Clerics, a clan of barbarians inspired by Paladin's prowess in battle after a minor conflict between the two forces, and a "redeemed" demon whose true allegiance still remains a mystery.

What do you guys think? Something you'd be interested in? Something that already exists?

>>89277324
Everything you said is basically flavor details and plot points. The success or failure of your comic is completely independent of things like "my antagonist is immune to their powers/is a friend who betrayed them!" You need to understand the goals, scale, and structure of your comic first.

>>89272727
this is fucking terrible for 5 hours. This would be acceptable if it was 20 mins.

>how's your webcomic
Not yet. I have 3 pages and 2 next designed so far but I'm not confident enough to post it anywhere.

>>89278317
Thanks :^)

>>89274012
Looks more like hammerhead from OPM, Nappa wouldn't make that face.

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>>89277144
Im particulary slow at drawing, still think it took way more time that it was supossed, how are your pages?
>>89278317
thats helpful

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Been working on this panel. For some reason I think the 3rd picture is more effective without the clutter of background.

>>89279559
maybe you could use another color for better contrast

>>89278317
For layouts and composition, yeah, but they clearly spent all their time rendering instead of setting down the groundwork.

>>89272727
What I find that helps is do an underline drawing that's quick and sketchy to help be more confident in what composition I want to have. After that's done, then polish it with inks.

I see plenty of people just try and perform a polished drawing from scratch but that would take much more time than expected. It's not the same as redrawing it though.

>>89267429
Vary your lineweight.

>>89279801
I have layouts for a couple more of pages , but Im not sure if I should work in multiple pages at the same time, It took me so much because I really tried to make this page look fine
>>89280097
you are rigth I should work on my optimization, I usually just have a really vague sketch and improvise a lot during the drawing.

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I am working on my reboot. I have 25 pages drawn, I want about 40 in the buffer past that to launch.
Got a new brush yesterday. I had no idea how shit the old one had become.

>>89280592
I would suggest spending as much as two hours just on getting layouts right if you're having any trouble getting perspective and panel flow on your first try. Without a strong layout, the effort put into the page only goes so far.

>>89277324
These sound more like a cluster of slapdash ideas thrown about instead of an actual coherent story.

Nobody who has posted their comic ITT is going to make it. Give up now.

>>89281824
Im just making a comic for fun, I dont want to print it or get money from it.

>>89281824

I'm like this guy >>89281917

Plus I enjoy having a steady income of money and do freelance on the side than risk doing comics for a living.

>>89281917
>>89282006
There's no point responding to them. They've given up on making their own webcomic, and on life in general, and hate to see anyone else with ambitions being happy and doing the best they can.
They're the bottom-most crab in the bucket.

Keep on doing what you do. Keep on creating, and help others to create.

>>89275733
large transparent fuzzy-edged circles are not exactly how I would do snow.. I prefer tiny circular gradients

>>89276517
Not bein' a cunt m8 but maybe look up what a kangaroo looks like
>>89276789
I like how there's still a dinginess to things. That suits sugar.
>>89282023
I doubt they're bottomcrabs, I'm pretty sure theyre just trolls.

pumb

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Got my tablet replaced so I'm back at it.

In a previous thread I mentioned that I was going to try making 3D models of environments, ships and props to draw over to maintain consistent shapes and proportions from different angles. Here's the first product of this. I really don't think it looks out of place among my other art when paired next to a character I've drawn for the same faction.

>>89283065
That's nice dude, definitely fits right in with your style - what does the model look like? Is it simplistic and you just paint over?

>>89274244
Who did this abomination again? I can't remember. Was it proko?

>>89283065
lot of people with broken tablets lately, glad you're back on the horse.
this is really interesting, it doesn't look like it was a 3d model. I assume when you drew over it you went loose with it to keep that handmade semi-flat feel

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>>89283185
I'm sure everyone will hate it now that I'm about to highlight how easy it was.

But what I did was took the initial sketches I made a long time ago and literally just made a model with the basic proportions in the game "spore". From there I traced the basic shapes but included the details of the original design.

Someone can claim I'm a hack for tracing from spore but it's still my own design and I genuinely don't think anyone would of noticed without me pointing it out. Pic related is the three steps.

>>89283892
Thanks! And you're exactly right, I tried to make it blend in as much as I could by straying from the model whenever possible while still making it feel solid and consistent.

>>89283984
very nice. I guess that wouldnt work as well for something that needs to articulate. also didn't know spore had machinery, it's been a while since I touched that thing

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>>89284158
Yeah I'm not using it for characters or anything, just to quickly make sets and vehicles without going through hours of planning and sketches which I really can't afford for this project. Here's another example of a laboratory interior I'm planning with the aid of spore. There's vehicle and building creators so it's actually quite useful. I'm just surprised I've never heard of anyone else trying it before.

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>>89283984
>>89284293

There's nothing wrong with making 3d models of characters and sets to use as reference

uh.. disregarding reality guy.. i don't really get the joke. why would cupid be blind or a midget? he didn't appear to be either. shouldn't the headline be 'guy attacked by half-naked cosplayer'?

ded

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I finished chapter 1 last week and forgot to post it.
working on chapter 2 currently


>webtoons
http://www.webtoons.com/challenge/dashboardEpisode?titleNo=57167

>imgur for those who don't feel like signing up for it
http://imgur.com/a/jTPTK

>>89285899
If your general is so dead you need to keep bumping it to keep it alive then it doesn't deserve to be up. Delete these threads

>>89286865
That's what I keep saying

struggling with an "almost" rape scene, in the sense that a rape would have happened had one character not intervened. I do question whether to put it in or not, since it could be construed as using a rape to advance a plot.

Basically, Girl is a student, as is her BFF, they're both pretty smart but Girl has been raising up in the rank lately. (the school ranks their standardized tests, and BFF has been #1 for a while) BFF secretly is the illegitimate daughter of the guy who more or less owns the city. After her half-brother brings shame on the family, daddy says he'll make her a legitimate daughter and heir if she gets the highest score on the final test.

BFF becomes unhinged and decides to set up Girl to be raped by a bunch of the school's degenerates so that she'll be unable to focus on the test. Guy catches wind of this plot and threatens to expose BFF if she even thinks about going through with the plan, BFF says it doesn't matter because she's going to watch it happen in person where they're talking, and Guy threatens to beat up everyone, even BFF, and does so.

>>89287319
>ree rape ree
Just go with it, if people rage about it you can argue with them then. It sounds like it wouldn't be out of place in the story.

>>89287349
she doesn't get raped, but they do rip her shirt and you can see her *gasp* bra

>>89287392
>she doesn't get raped,
dropped

>>89287392
Again, if people complain about it you can point them to the rest of the comic and say "But you're fine with this?"
People being oversensitive is always a hazard when you're doing a comic.

>>89287415
but sadly He becomes her Knight and Shining Armor and he'll totally hit that in a few months when they're both ready for intamacy (her more than him because of this trauma)

>>89287445
sex is always different than violence to me, I also want to avoid some tropes, creativly if i could

>>89287415
don't worry, there are sex scenes

>>89287319
I think it's important to consider whether whatever story outcome you're going for can be accomplished by any other traumatic event or whether you're just going for that as the obvious choice/shock value - the fact that you're "struggling" with whether to include it or not suggests you might be better off using another catalyst.

Most of the time a female character getting assaulted IS a cheap, lazy plot advancing device, plus in your case you potentially have to consider the portrayal of repercussions/the characters involved even if it didn’t happen - they might pretty much be the same.

TL;DR these kinds of plots are like semicolons - if you don't know how to use them, don't.

>>89286668
Almost didn't recognize it, you've gotten a lot better.
Thanks for those great poses earlier, I referenced them

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sketch of next page

>>89287810
it's the most efficient trauma I could think of, but you'll also want to be more vested in her safety, vs any other trauma I could think of. If I can find a better way, i'll probably do it. I don't want to avoid it for the sake of avoiding controversy. The world is a terrible place

>>89288184
yeah but don't feed into the controversy either. You can use it, just do it right.

>>89288263
might take a few passes, i'll update in the coming months

>>89286865
Yes because the speed at which a thread or board moves is indicative of it's quality.

Which is why /b/ has over 700 million posts. With thought-provoking threads such as "Why are black women ugly?" And /ic/ has less than 3 million. Really makes you think.

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>>89287929
>poses from earlier
I have no idea what you're talking about
but thanks

>>89263854
so when does the text stop being a chore to read?

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>>89288298

>>89288320
page three has these great running poses, you posted it earlier and I totally used them.

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>>89288334

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Space Cunts 11

>>89288382
>jurisdictionary
fuck you for thinking of that before me.
and don't you ever stop making these or i'll come to your house and wee in your tea.

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>>89288370
I personally don't like your art for some reason, not saying it's bad, I just don't like it. but i respect you doing traditional art. keep up the good work anon.

>>89288361
oh okay. cool. I'm jumping between pages in chapter 2 so here's a near finished one.

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>>89288370

>>89288438
taste is funny that way. I don't like most of the faces but then I don't like most people's faces. They're certainly realistic that way. and everything's in proportion. Meanwhile your art has obvious shortcomings but I like all the cute faces. And I read both of you so it all comes out in the end.

>>89288320
I-I'm sorry...

>>89288649
The word balloon shapes are getting better, I just don't get why you're sticking with this tiny text, which is hard to read because letters run together poorly with all their extended serifs. You have main characters with the last name of Mann, and another character that says that name constantly because he has a hate-on for them, and you're using a font where two lowercase Ns in a row look ridiculous and almost illegible.
It's also too small. not WAY too small, but too small. Come on man, just pick another font. I guarantee you have a better one in that program.

>>89288649
Don't be sorry

Fix it

>>89288649
If you were sorry, you'd have fixed it along with the many other issues constantly brought up with your work. But you feel no remorse. The only thing sorry about you is your existence, because you refuse to try.

>>89288894
You can't blame him for getting confused, there's a troll in here piping up with "don't listen to them, it's fine"
and it wouldn't be the first time a bunch of people ganged up on him just to be jerks. It can be hard for a less mature person to make sense of it all.

>>89276517

proko, is that you?

>>89288768
Oh, the text is too small? Ok well, I can fix that, I thought you guys were talking about the font, which I can't change.

>>89289786
Remember that time when everyone said they couldn't read it because it was too small, and you said you could still read it fine? Because I remember that distinctly
>can't change
why? You already changed it twice, albeit reluctantly, and each time was a major improvement. Why not keep doing that until you get a winner? This is the best font so far, but it's still not acceptable yet. I want to know who designed it and made the letters fit together so badly.

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I've been watching a lot of anime lately.
Only Pam's design will be the new one, unless you guys prefer Annabeth looking like that.

>>89289991
Alright, I'll play around with more fonts.

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1/10
been a while guys, going to post the latest arc in my comic to celebrate acing a job interview today
lets hope my internet doesnt run out before i finish

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>>89290636
2/10
in case your wondering about the panelling i planned these two pages to be one giant spread in whatever hypothetical future book i might end up publishing

>>89290636
It's so unrealistic, he's not even wearing a fedora.

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3/10
my internet is worse than i thought but i press on
captcha time limit is bullshit

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>>89291052
>>89290824
he used to, in college

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>>89291112
5/10
in case youre wondering the comic hasnt explained yet what is up with emil's past
only how he was originally created

>>89290461
they both look good. I love that you're doing more with anna's hair shading than just the rimlighting, this is an immediate improvement. Plus the facial features are so nicely proportioned and arranged.
The girl has a really cute face, and I can almost guess which anime you watched, but her big square forehead is kinda weird. I'd take it down a notch.

>>89291208
see I didn't pick up on the fact that he/she'd lived alone, I saw complete continuity from the creation to the present day.. I guess I was wrong

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>>89291208
6/10
yes, we're going there

>>89291274
I love when he goes all picasso.

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>>89291252
there was no indication of that so dont feel bad
this is the first time in the comic where the time gap where emil was alone for two years is introduced.
a lot of things in the comic's lore will not be explained until its relevant for the characters to tell it to someone, i feel that is a more organic way to learn about the past than "hey let me tell you a story we both know about because we were both there"

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>>89291298
i felt it was a good visual cue to show how awkward he's feeling at that moment

also tell me if you can get all the webcomic cameos i put in the last page hint: they are all trans characters from other webcomics

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>>89288438
I like the idea you had with this, but you should make the lines in the character in a ligth value than the background so her doesnt dissapear completly, line weigth its important in this powerfull panels to make them impact.

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9/10

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10/10 (the comic page, not the quality)
i feel we ended up learning more about emil than mort but those are the little suprises you get in story telling
so there we go, i have others if you guys are interested

>>89291229
Alright, I can improve on the forehead a bit

What anime do you think I watched?

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Awright, time to wrap this up.
Just a question, which one is proper, "ask a second chance" or "ask for a second chance"?
Google doesn't seem to make up its mind about it

>>89291529
that was comfy were can I read whatever was before?

>>89291930
it's "ask for"

>>89291529
btw uh, >>89284602
>>89291556
was it mysterious girlfriend X?

>>89292248
yeah technically the way he said it is correct but it's archaic shakespearey to be like 'let me ask you this thing"

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>>89284602
i thought "blind midget" was a fun way to describe cupid, because he is blind and small.
i drew cupid with milky eyes looking upwards like a lot of blind people but i admit i fucked up the midget proportions and just looks like a niormal guy
did you get the HUEWY LEWIS & "the news" at least?
>>89292216
here
disregarding-reality.tumblr.com

>>89292449
in what mythology is cupid blind? the only thing I can think of is that blind angel in Barbarella
also yeah cupid is typically a midget, but THIS cupid is clearly a full sized muscleman, albeit neckless and with a short torso.
>that fantastic news pun
god dammit that was a great joke, one I would make. I wish I had been paying attention, I would have noticed it and loved it.

>>89292260
>mysterious girlfriend X
This looks like a weird hentai,

But nah, Just some InuYasha. It was on Netflix, actually has some really good animation.

But I'll be sure to give mystery wet willy girl a try.

>>89291052
it's "disappoint" in the first panel

otherwise nice work, i like your handwriting, very clear

>>89292535
>Cupid is winged, allegedly, because lovers are flighty and likely to change their minds, and boyish because love is irrational. His symbols are the arrow and torch, "because love wounds and inflames the heart." These attributes and their interpretation were established by late antiquity, as summarized by Isidore of Seville (d. 636 AD) in his Etymologiae.[15] Cupid is also sometimes depicted blindfolded and described as blind, not so much in the sense of sightless—since the sight of the beloved can be a spur to love—as blinkered and arbitrary. As described by Shakespeare in A Midsummer Night's Dream (1590s):[16]
i though it was a common interpretation of the character, i may have been wrong

>>89292706
thanks, i still have isues teling when im suposed to use double conssonants in english

>>89292654
That was gonna be my next guess. looks like some cute takahashi faces. I love me some cute takahashi faces even if everyone looks the same.
>hentai
naw it's a weird romance story. Really cute. you'll like it
>>89292727
Huh, I've never heard that before. I love the new shit I learn in these threads.
Honestly the closest I've ever heard to that is the personification of Justice being blindfolded.
For that matter though I'm pretty sure the winged baby thing is relatively unrelated to Cupid in mythology and is more of a separate decorative concept .. I seem to remember they have a funny name..

>>89292768
there's almost no rhyme or reason to it, sadly. Weird language. In this case though, ap- is a prefix and point is a root word. You'll get used to stuff like that over time.

>>89292911
cherubs
that is what the little baby with wings is called, they are a specific choir of angels, one of the lowest i think though again, that is more of a modern interpretation and original cherubs where just balls of light or some other angelic inhumane thing like that

>>89293077
yeah but there's another word, something silly and italian. putti i think.
it is amusing how the romans invented a bunch of fanfic stuff like that though. buncha categories in their little fandom wikia

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I finally have a scrub comic, so I can finally post here. Here's my comic, GigaTRIGGR:Zero. I hope you guys like it. http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/gigatriggrzero/begin-again/viewer?title_no=56900&episode_no=1

>>89293823
This is really nice art, I like these characters immediately. The big dramatics and theatrics are wasted on me, but I still like it and I'm gonna bookmark.

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>>89292911
Anon, I just wanted you to know that this was the worst anime I have seen, I feel sick and I want to throw up everytime I swallow now.

>>89295027
i will admit the anime makes it look less appealing than the manga, but I didn't expect anyone to find it gross. do you think kissing is gross?

>>89294193
wow, thanks!

>>89295460
Well, I mean, when you're in the heat of the moment while not thinking about it, not really.

But that boy stared at that girls spit for a solid 10 seconds at least in that classroom and could have consciously decided to not do that.

I mean, like, this is the first time I've been turned off by a gothic looking anime girl, it's weird, but I'd stay away from her if I was the MC.

There's definetly more appealing ways to make your main girl weird, yet appealing.

>>89295027
Imagine how we feel looking at your shit scribbles.

>>89295668
Generally relieved and not cringing at gross out stuff? Yeah, I feel the same way man.

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I guess I better inject some explanations soon.

>>89295748
Maybe they'll feel that way when you're dead. You should get on that.

>>89295808
a little would be prudent, yes. you don't have to spill all the beans

>>89295823
i second this

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>>89295748
You are actually the worst human being.

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>>89291461
decided to make it black
kind of makes it look like she goes from herself, and gradually goes completely black.

>>89295823

third, his art style looks like someone aborted some 2007 deviantart trash and i honestly cant understand how anyone can put up with this eyesore

>>89297015
Forth, I don't even know how he's even gone on this long.

>>89297015
>i honestly cant understand how anyone can put up with this eyesore
Nobody can. People have been constantly telling him to fuck off since he showed up but he's so fucking delusional that his sperg addled mind just glosses over it.

>>89297061
OVER 2 YEARS
$0 PATREON

>>89297061
Fifth, I really think it's time for him to stop and just give up.

>>89297063
It's fucking coldfusion the retard enabler. He's afraid that if dewd leaves he'll have the most awful comic in the thread. At least our shitty beginners have an excuse - they're new. This other retard has been at it for 10 years.

>>89297126
Eighth, he should stop and get a real job while he's still young.

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>>89295748
BTFO
T
F
O

>>89295823
>>89296597
>>89297015
>>89297061
>>89297063
>>89297084
>>89297087
>>89297107
>>89297108
>>89297126
>>89297149

>>89296973
wait, is Hiroe a name? shouldn't it be capitalized?

>>89297061
>Forth
Dewd I get the urge to anonymously join in with people bashing me sometimes, too, but you're only making it worse.

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>>89297193

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Planning a mecha comic. Is CG posing cheating if I make the models myself?

>>89297087
>>89297107
>>89297126
>>89297149
>>89297171
>>89297195
>posts just slightly over a minute apart
no way this is the same shitposter or anything

>>89297274
We were just talking about it. If you made the models, of course you can trace them. The question is whether it's going to look good or just stand out. Maybe sometimes it's better to make some stylistic changes or depth-of-field exaggerations or things like that. Sometimes it's better to use them as a pose model reference instead of direct tracing

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>>89297284

Coldfusion is that you?

>>89297284
It's most likely dewd or coldfusion in a juvenile attempt to disarm the hostility by going full retard.

>XDDD SO RANDOM lol it's all a joke!

>>89297313
>>89297329
but.. I'm the one that noticed the post timing...

>>89297673
You know, you guys never really explain how my story is shit without going into detail about that, why do you guys think my story and writing is shit, maybe I can learn something from that.

>>89297718
quit throwing gasoline on the fire. do these sound like reasonable people to have a normal conversation with? do you honestly expect to get legit critique, feedback, or help?

>>89297718
People have done it Dewd. They've pointed out your plagariasm, your dropped arcs, your poor characterization, your random characterization, how you clearly don't read anything of note and what you do read you don't understand. You see symbols but don't get why they work, so you replicate because you lack the ability to perceive depth.

>>89297760
not to knock the one actually-correct criticism in this post, but I think the dropped arcs are an attempt to fix the flaws. sucks because it really makes it harder to keep track of what's going on, but it's obvious the motivation with that is to suck less by cutting out what doesn't work.

>>89297827
what's coldfusions' endgame here? why can't he keep dewd's dick out of his mouth?

>>89297827
That doesn't work when he cuts his work into ribbons and doesn't get why shit isn't working or how to make it work or how to move forward.
>one actually-correct criticism.
Coldfusion, I get that you pity him because to you he's just a kid. But this is the environment he chose to come to. This is where he seeks approval. And he deserves none. This hate is not misplaced nor is it inappropriate.

>>89297731

cocksucker had his chance

>>89297760

seconded, fucker just loves to get his grubby little leech hands on anything he thinks is cool without any attempt whatsoever to make it original, he just never learns, there is no hope left for him at this point

>>89294193
might be going too hard on the self-promotion aspect in the first two pages. geez, i'm trying to get into the atmosphere of your beautiful world, no need to have author's notes to break immersion

still, distinctive character designs and great linework, hope to see more

>>89297883
>there is no hope left for him at this point
There was no hope for him at birth. This kid is literally retarded. Can't spell, can barely form a coherent sentence, and just mindlessly regurgitates what he consumes with zero self awareness. His mother must've drank during pregnancy for someone to be this addled.

>>89297882
hatred is always inappropriate. I'm not trying to shield anyone from the consequences of posting on 4chan, I'm just countering your opinion with mine, and trying to talk rationally to the one person in a long time who has tried to actually do the same instead of just spewing vitriol, as if that would do anything when it hasn't ever worked in the history of communication.
but fuck, it's not hard to come up with shit he does badly. You could write a book on it. but characterization? you picked the one thing he's actually pretty good at, the one charming part of this comic.
and as for the plagiarism accusations, that's nonsense, but we've argued that one to death already

after 'random characterization' i didn't understand a damn word of that post, so it's possible that's accurate too and I'm just not getting it.

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>>89297942
>characterization? you picked the one thing he's actually pretty good at
No wonder your own comic is so trash when you're stupid enough to think this.

>>89297718
I would critique your story but the shitty art, pacing, and dialogue makes it an incomprehensible mess to read through. If you actually want to make comic people can enjoy, step away from West Tree. It's a dumpster fire.
You put zero effort into your comics and it shows. You don't learn because you don't want to. Either leave or show that you can actually put thought and effort into a page.

>>89297983
Nope, fuck you, I am committed to West Tree from start to finish, call me whatever you want, but my resolve for this comic is unbreakable, I'm never stopping this comic until the very end.

>>89297942
Dewd is not going to have gay sex with you, ColdFusion.

In fact, back when Dewd was still in Discord chat, he said you are a creepy autistic retard and he planned to "use" you for his shitty West tree gag show.

Jesus, people. Just ignore him. I ignore some comics from these threads, and plenty of people ignore mine.

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>>89298023
>complains that he never gets real criticism

>someone posts a real & reasonable criticism

>"Nope, fuck you, I am committed to West Tree"

get right the fuck off this board and never come back you brain damaged fuck

>>89298094
>posts real and reasonable criticism
>"I would critique your story but"
telling someone to quit does not qualify as criticism

>>89292248
Thanks, m8. Will fix

>>89292283
No Shakepearian stuff here. Just your usual 20 years old guy acting like an ass.

>>89298094
Telling someone to quit is not crit.

>>89298023
If your "resolve" is really that unbreakable try actually making into a half-decent comic instead of what West Tree is now. Try to actually improve your art, your paneling, your dialogue. These factors have all improved since the very first page, so you probably have SOME desire to get better, but they're still pretty crappy. Slow down from making a shitty page every day and instead make a half-decent page twice a week or so. Go fucking study anatomy, gesture, color theory because your art has none of that. Go read up on pacing and comic paneling.

When people say "not going to make it" on this thread they think of someone like you, Dewd. Someone who who commits himself to comics but neither knows how to make good comics or has the desire to learn.

>>89298023
That's fine just fix your broken ass story and your piss-tier art you fucking oblivious fuck. All anybody wants is for you to make a concerted effort to fucking better yourself.

>>89298145
>These factors have all improved since the very first page, so you probably have SOME desire to get better, but they're still pretty crappy. Slow down from making a shitty page every day and instead make a half-decent page twice a week or so.
Gotta agree on this one. There was noticeable improvement, but lately there's been seemingly willful backsliding. I don't think I've ever seen an artist regress before. I mean I know some people who sway from good to terrible day to day or hour to hour, but this latest era, starting with the addition of text, is just bad. Backgrounds have disappeared, text is hard to read, and the improvements to hand anatomy that Dewd apparently worked so hard on have been almost wiped.

>>89298158
>make a concerted effort to fucking better yourself.
the only way that can happen is if a bus ran him over

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>>89298142
take your shit comic to people who actually care enough to tell you not to quit faggot

just leave already

I am currently working on the paper draft for a few of my comics, ill wait until iget home to post em.

>>89298360

sounds cool my dude, i use paper too

>>89298382

Currently i have one chapter finished in one story, ill be finishing the first chapter in another. And then finally work on the 3rd story about guantamno bay.

>>89298382
I kinda miss paper. Any other digital bros kinda miss paper?
I stockpiled a bunch of it and a bunch of mechanical pencils, leads, and erasers, then just kinda stopped drawing much until finally one day I realized I needed to get a tablet, got one, and now... man, where'd paper go in my life?

>>89298441
I do my main comic digitally, but I started working on a 5 page comic in traditional. Working with real pens and ink instead of a tablet felt charming and quaint. I don't know if I could do traditional all the time though, 'cause the lack of ctrl+z frustrates me.

>>89298495
>the lack of ctrl+z frustrates me.
there is no pain like this pain

>>89298197
>There was noticeable improvement

You don't know what that means.

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>tfw your mom asks you when you're going to get serious in life and you know she's talking about your comics

>>89297893
oh, I didn't realize it was so distracting. A lot of my favorite books have little blurbs from the author in the front or back and it always felt really nice to me. I didn't occur to me that it would come off as being self-promote-y. I was going to make it a regular thing. Bad idea??

>>89299374
Like anything, it needs to be balanced. This comic is very unusual so far, so it's probably too soon to say whether it worked, since this is all there is. How regular did you intend to make it? Because like those books you enjoyed, it should probably be limited to the front or back.

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>>89299374
>gigatan
LONDON?

>>89299555
That should probably be now she HAS me by the neck
also take the comma out of the third panel and slip it into the first panel, between abilities and girl.
Nice to see you're still around, man.

>>89299555
>those trips and dubs
noice
honestly, you should get rid of the dialogue in third panel altogether. Show don't tell and what not.

I don't really know much about this comic, what's that thing she's got on her face and how did it get there? I mean, even if it's something that's already well established in the comic, you should probably devote a transition panel to it

You should really add shading to this comic, I actually kind of dig these designs, they're kind of charming, but I have trouble getting past looking at just flats

>>89299766
I think that stuff growing on her face in the third panel is meant to have formed into that beak thing.

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>>89299374
please respond: >>89299587

>>89299766
http://character-limit-blog.tumblr.com/post/151675689530/and-here-is-another-comic-i-love-this-part-this

I was going to explain this and some few things about lucky lotus.

I try doing shading. I always think it looks ugly or something. Or I am not doing it well. I going to practice on that.

>>89299641
Thanks anon.

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>>89299983
Hey, those panels look pretty decent. I'm in the same boat as you man, shading is tough especially in complex lighting. The thing is, most of your readers won't be art critics, so they won't have a discerning eye for whether or not it's "ugly" or "looks wrong".

As long as you KNOW you're doing it correctly, then just go for it and put it out there, regardless of what you think

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>>89299429
okay, noted, and thank you very much. I'm going to be updating it 3 or 4 times a month, every Friday. I may take a break every 4th week so I have more time to plan out panels and so I don't suffer from burnout. GigaTRIGGR:Zero spans 4 books, Lili, Ebon, Ivon, and The Book of Blood & Bone, each around 30 or so pages. I have the whole story planned and bulleted from start to finish already, so updates will be consistent.

>>89300710
Jawesome.
man your style makes me want fanart from you

>>89300710
fujoshi as fuck

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Here is the cover for my next chapter that I've started work on
Its not something I worked too hard on, and it's a work in progress, but do you guys think it's a little too dark?

>>89300710
Your stuff has a nice and calming look to it. I like it.
I don't know what it reminds me of but I swear I've seen something like your style before

>>89300819
the only part that's too dark is the word departed. deported? and whatever's below the red guy with the smug arms crossed

>>89300710
>Not GIGATRIGGA
Had this not occured to you? seems like a missed opportunity desu

>>89300845
The guy at the bottom is supposed to be hidden, so that's on purpose
With the text though. I'll have to see how I can make it pop out more. Thanks for the help though
Also, it's departed. I draw that part of the title really poorly every time I put the title anywhere on purpose. Might have to fix the 'a' now that you mention that though

>>89300819
I'd say you're biggest problem is that the cover is boring. Your characters aren't doing anything, they're just standing around. Make this more interesting if you can

"departed" is too difficult to see, give it something like a white word border

As far a lighting goes, I'm not a fan, though I can't put my finger on it. Maybe you should play around with sharper contrasts between light and shadow

>>89300973
*your
I'm tired...

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>>89300757
Jawesome

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>>89300973
I do agree that it could look more interesting if I drew them all doing something. Like I said though I didn't work too hard on this cover. Honestly, I just got pre-existing renders of the characters and shoved them in a corner with a little bit of shading.
Now that you say that though, I wanna try making this look better. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.

>>89300871
It was GigaTrigga originally. I came up with the name doing Codename:KND fan-art in summer school when I was a teenager. It was a giant robot ice cream snowman tank. I preferred the way the A sound bounced to the R sound, and GigaTrigga ended up being taken when I went to use it on my accounts online so I was left with GigaTRIGGR

>>89301009
>just whips this shit up on a whim
>took no more than thirty minutes
Fucking hell mate

>>89301009
this thread is for shitters only, please go

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>>89300814
you made me google fujoshi. fuck you.

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>>89300819
I did a really retarded porn comic that I posted here months ago, maybe you saw that.

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>>89288441

>>89301083
Your colors are very girly, are you a girl?

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>>89301204

>>89301213
nah, i'm just a homo.

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>>89301252

>>89301204
>>89301252
>>89301287
these are real fuckin nifty, m8

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>>89301287

>>89301293
Cheers, anon

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>tfw your daily views drop lower and lower

>>89271379
This looks gay as fuck.

Would it be a shitty idea to make a robot apocalypse story where the robots are the main character. Like your rooting for robots and not the humans

>>89301505
I don't see anything wrong with that.

>>89301505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUPBWtJHUAM

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>>89301327

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>>89301529

Fucking hell dont remind me, this shit couldve been great. Just like that plastic man cartoon with tom kenny as plastic man

>>89301591
I reminded myself of it and rewatched the first episode
It's like a weird less grotesque superjail. Was it made by the same people?

>>89301529
Looks like shit, I'd rather watch Nutshack than this cringefest

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>>89301554

>>89301631

Yeah it was

How do I am beings get good in art?

>>89302582
Don't be a retard, which seems too much for you

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Fishnet

>>89302590
Fag

>>89261957
What do you think /co/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fxls1XrcJc
Finally a transgender in a leadrole in a cartoon.

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or no fishnet?

>>89302623
>>89302595
Fishnet.

>>89302595
>>89302623
No fishnet.
Its too much.

>>89302623
fishnet but make the head a little bit bigger.

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>>89302654
Bigger head and alt stocking

>>89302688
9.8/10

>>89302688
I still feel like there's too much going on.
Its less of a character and more of a costume.

>>89302697
I'm a character designer, I'm designing the costume, and this isn't too much going on, this is still basic stuff

>>89302715
>this isn't too much going on
You're a very shitty fucking character designer and you should kill yourself.

>>89302734
show me your character then.

>>89302734
>You're a very shitty fucking character designer and you should kill yourself.
this is why i come to /co/
nice people with good advice

>>89302740
I gave you my opinion.
Your reaction was to tell me my opinion was wrong.
Not only that, you had the nerve to call yourself a character designer, which you fucking aren't, as if that some how elevates your opinion above mine.
I think telling you to kill yourself was a reasonable response considering.

>>89302752
i'm not the character designer
i just mean you didn't give good advice why he's supposed to be a shitty designer

>>89302752
Wrong person, mate, different guy

>>89302766
He's a shitty designer because he's a shitty designer.
Look at that fucking mess he has.
Fucking animal ears, an animal tail, a cleavage window, fishnet stockings, high heel boots, fucking gauntlets, claw gloves. But NOOOO, that's not "too much going on".
The fag is just some talentless weeb shit too stupid or awful to post his garbage on deviantart so he's posting it here.

You cunts are just turning these threads into fucking hugboxes.

>>89302809
>too stupid or awful to post his garbage on deviantart
I thought these are the prerequisites to post something on Devianart?

>>89302824
Not really. Doc Hammer had a deviantart account and he's a fucking beautiful painter.

>>89302809
alright, all design is non arbitrary. so here is the reason for the details
1, animal tails and animal ears
She is half fox, like a kitsune. There are a lot of animal people in my world.
2, a cleavage window
to show off her boob, thats why, when you have something great, show it
3, fishnet stockings & high heel boots
Those exist and high heel boot hurt more when you step on people with them
4, gaunlets and claw gloves
She is half fox, and fox use claws and teeth to hunt, so she use them as weapon. Like when someone with a power fist.
And fyi, I post on dA, Artstation, Twitter, tumblr
I post the design here too because people tend to be more open and honest.
So, calm down and be nice, this the internet.

>>89302889
So your character is literally nothing but what her costume dictates she be.
Wow, amazing. How original. I bet it took you all of two seconds to conceive of.

>>89302920
No, her costume reflect her personality.
I'm posting the character costume, not her personality and trait or backstory.
Don't get your panty in a twist

>>89302889
>So, calm down and be nice, this the internet.
That's exactly why I'm saying these things.
I'm being honest. Its a fucking stupid design.
If you honestly want to get anywhere with this hobby, because you certainly aren't doing this for a job unless you're doing it for some abortion like RWBY, you need to fucking learn that stupid shit like that isn't "good design". Its fucking lazy.

You aren't designing a costume or a character.
You're taking fetishes you've gotten from anime shit and you're frankensteining them together into a customized waifu.

>>89302946
What personality?
You haven't done or said a single thing about the character that reflects personality.
In fact, every facet of the costume is what you've said dictates the character.
She has a tit window because lol tits.
She wears high heels because lol sex.
She has animal ears and a tail because lol beatiality.

>>89302974
Exactly, I don't talk about personality here, I'm asking about costume design since Oc thread is nowhere to be found.

>>89302956
Post your favorite character design then

>>89303007
Is she a slut or is she just retarded?
Because those are the only two reasons I can imagine a character fighting in high heels with their tits hanging out.

>>89303025
Oh and the fishnets.
No reason for those unless she's just a whore.

>>89303025
Mate, not everyone who have a boob cleavage or fishnet is a whore, did you even met any real life people? They have those

>>89302946
draw her nacked

>>89303064
>did you even met any real life people?
Yeah, but evidently you haven't.

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>>89303086
I did, actually, most of them have exotic clothing part, but fine, I will listen to you. here is an alt version

>>89303116
It certainly looks less autistic.
Bravo.

I'm leaving. Enjoy all your fucking compliments that will have zero positive effect on your god awful scribbles.

>>89303140
oh calm down, buddy. Play nice.

>>89303140
>normalfag

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>>89301647
Finished page, complete with collaging.

>>89303140
holy autism Batman

>>89298495
there is always scanning and photoshop

>>89296973
yeah that way looks better

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http://cthor-comic.tumblr.com/
Finally getting ready to resume my comic after a year of hiatus! Although I'll wait untill I have 3-4 pages completely done untill I start updating it again.

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Haven't been doing much lately. I just want to wrap this chapter and pretend it never happened.
I'm gonna take a bit of time off to do other stuff, so I'll be talking a long break from webcomics. I'll probably hang out in the donut steel or drawfag threads once I'm done with this.
This is a sketch of the Teacher character that will be in the few next strips.
I wanted to focus on how different she looks in college and outside it, but I never got a proper chance, and this chapter already dragged long enough, so there.
Sorry for the shoddy picture.

>>89303197
Fokken rad! I love that bottom panel.

>>89291366
>>89291421
Lmao Is that dewd's little faggot in there

>>89301083
Ah shit I remember this - awesome stuff bro

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Experimented with a super simplified Dupe design used for more resource intensive animations. Any of these segments will be shown on a computer monitor so I figured going with a 90s era internet cartoon aesthetic would work well. This is still super early and I'm not sure how to handle the backgrounds yet but I think this model will lend itself to animation well.

>>89307894
Power_ranger_SPD.jpeg

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>>89261957

ahem, i just got finished throwing this together for my FATES CHAOS project

Flags indicate accent and nothing more, this takes place in a fantasy world.

Stars indicate level of importance in the first 2 arcs(24 chapters), there are 12 chapters in each arc

5 stars= very important main character or main bad guy in silver tongue and xi-xu's case
1 star=one off character that either dies early on or shows up for a few scenes, does something really important for the story and plot and is never seen again for the rest of the story,

original characters, made in sketchbook pro, this is a quickly thrown together mess, character pictures where drawn art different times so this needs to be re-done for sure...

>>89308033

also dont forget to check out my latest webcomic shortstory 10 pages long and done in 2 parts,

part 1: http://jesse-the-art-maker.deviantart.com/art/Megaskank-Mansion-Fanfiction-1of2-658241416
part 2: http://jesse-the-art-maker.deviantart.com/art/Megaskank-Mansion-Fanfiction-2-of-2-658243582

*nsfw adults only ^^

>>89308033
You should organize that by order of importance rather than alphabetically.

And is "Barron" a reference to Barron Trump?

>>89308033
Oh shit this is hilarious.

>>89301009
You are my new friend
>>89301287
are you using real 3d real life 3d for the comic? that's nuts!
>>89301505
It'd be hard to make me hate ALL humans. It'd be okay if i hated SOME humans, and it's explicit that they killed all the other humans who were okay people but they were the first victims, so now only the bad ones are left.

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>>89261957

I haven't lurked here in a while, what happened to Cold Fusion?

Skimmed over the thread at the hellfire that ensued.

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hi there. lucky hazard updated today!

http://luckyhazard.thecomicseries.com/

>>89302582
There's like two or three things you can break it down to
>learning how to make any shape in the world, by if-it's-too-hard-to-draw, breaking it up into smaller easier shapes
>having good taste in deciding what shape to make things and stylizing them further to look cool and special
>learning geometry and perspective and whatnot so that once you've made the shapes look good head-on, you can also make them look good in other positions and angles
those are the only universal things. Everything else is specific, like if you're drawing something alive, learning its specific anatomy.. or if it's something manufactured, learning its geometric part shapes, etc.

>>89302688
better stockings for sure.
still could use a bigger head
I like the gauntlet on her left arm