Mabel is a great character and there's nothing bad about her

Said no one

>>89239062
Nice try Mabel, we know what you did.

Can someone break it down in greentext why /co/ hates Mabel?

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>>89239132
What did I do?

>>89239143
>>89239149

>Upon learning that her brother got a chance to follow his dreams, cares only about how this will affect herself.
>Causes the apocalypse, albeit out of sheer selfishness and stupidity rather than intentionally.
>Replaces her brother with a shallow copy who's nothing like him as she presumably makes no attempt to leave the bubble as her friends and family are suffering and possibly dying outside.
>When her actual brother, who barely survived three days all alone in the monster riddled hellhole that started because of her, arrives, she refuses to provide even minimal help fixing what she caused until he practically humbles himself at her feet, promising that he'll give up his dream and stay with her always.
>Never learns anything, faces any consequences, or apologizes for any of this.

>>89239167

wtf i HATE mabel now?

>>89239209
What do you mean? That I was accusing you of hating Mabel, or that reading this made you hate Mabel?

>>89239269
I don't recommend that

>>89239098
Except alex

>>89239457
Isn't Mabel based on his sister?

Mabel is objectively a bad character who not only doesn't grow, but is actively prevented from growing, resulting in plots being bent so she doesn't have to. Not only is she a bad character by herself, but a plot poison.

>>89239478
I think so. That would explain a lot

>>89239503
I don't even know why they had her be the one to cause the apocalypse if they were never going to bring it up again

>>89239062
Nice try Alex

>>89239167
Nice pasta asshole. Try having an original thought for once.

>>89240268
I actually made that pasta. Besides, they asked for a green text of why Mabel is hated

>>89240268
Random question.

Is H2O, aka Water, a liquid at room temperature?

>the twins are actually based on Alex and his sister
>Alex got a boy band crush of his sister's onto the show so she can meet him

He probably loves the shit out of his sister, so making Mabel seem in the wrong probably would've pissed her off.

>>89240466
Yes.

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>>89240593
Nice pasta asshole. Try having an original thought for once.

>>89240786
Water isn't pasta

Let's be real here, Dipper staying in Gravity Falls with Ford is a really bad idea. Ford was right in the first place that he was too young before he changed his mind. Also, Stan wouldn't stand for that shit, which would cause even more conflict between Ford and him.

>>89239167
Mabel's pretty much worse than Gideon

>>89239512
He's also said that a good bit of his own personality is in Mabel. While he was more of an introvert as a child and definitely described himself as having Dipper-like traits, Dipper is likely more a kid version of current Alex. While Mabel is probably closer to the kind of random jokey person Alex was a kid,

>>89240996
Except Mabel isn't "jokey" she's straight up a selfish retard.

>>89241025
Soos is the one who may be retarded, Mabel's just really, REALLY stupid

>>89240912
Yeah, I don't get why people think that Dipper staying in Gravity Falls with Ford makes any narrative or character sense. I think it's just because it's the closest thing to the finale so it's sort of used as the ultimate example of what Dipper sacrifices so Mabel can remain a static character. I think the identification of the underlying problem is built on sound logic but the consensus on the best. or at least most prominent, example of said problem was reached by flawed conclusions.

>>89241093
Soos' a nice fella tho.

Mabel is the biggest villain in the series and Dipper should have left her in the fucking dust to travel the world with cool Gruncle.

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Let's talk about Pacifica and her giant breasts.

>>89241372
No, let's talk about Wendy and the barren, empty void that his her personality.

>>89239062
why must we only deal in extremes? can't we love mabel for her flawed but adorable self?

>>89241393
For a moment I thought you were talking about her anus.

>>89241402
She's not supposed to be a "bad person" per se, you're supposed to like her and "understand" her actions, but the writing was so shit you end up hating her.

>>89241489
It's been said that people wouldn't hate her nearly as much had her selfishness and apocalypse causing-ness been adressed and given a solid conclusion.

>>89241453
>>89241453
Why?

>>89241393
NWHS, often considered the best of episode of the show, has Wendy only appear in one scene and have nothing to do with the main plot.

Make of that what you will.

>>89241393
Still fuckable though

>>89241626
It's funny because that's literally all her character.

>the hot chick dipper wants to plow

>>89241661
Well, she does get inexplicably badass in a few season 2 episodes, despite the first 21 episodes playing her up as a standard lazy teen

Pops dies but Mabel lives.

There's simply no justice.

>>89241910
You either die a hero or live long enough to still be considered the villain.

>>89241699
>Well, she does get inexplicably badass in a few season 2 episodes
I don't see it as inexplicable because she's the only person in her home that's a female, and she's obviously put up to high standards (considering she says in one episode that she's crazily stressed.)

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Look, /co/, maybe Mabel learned the errors of her ways off screen. You don't NEED to see everything.

Anybody have any fanart/fanfics of Mabel feeling guilty for Weirdmageddon?

>>89242101
That's shit writing, then.

>>89242101
I doubt this. She seems the sort to double down because never before has she had the shit knocked out of her in either the physical or metaphorical senses.

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oh look its this thread again...

>>89242092
Would've been nice to see her join in on season 1 adventures.

>>89242101
Or maybe she died and was replaced by a Skrull and that's why she's such a shitty person.

>>89242165
Unlike Dipper.

>>89242101
When you are such a ducking shot stain. Yes
..yes I do

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What does Mabel smell like? She looks like she would smell sickeningly sweet.

>>89242165
Yeah, her worst comeuppance is getting her puppet show ruined, which in the end wasn't much since it was only put on to impress some guy she later decided was just a weirdo anyway.

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>>89239062
>it's a Kristen Schaal makes me emotionally and physically attracted to an underage cartoon character show

Pinecest is Mabel's way of seeking forgiveness.

>>89242244
Like a pixie stick had a messy orgasm.

I posted this in an earlier thread, but here's my idea for a quick scene that could resolve some problems the fandom has with Mabel.

It could happen during the scene in which Bill is about to kill Dipper or Mabel in front of Stan and Ford. When it's unsure who he's going to pick, Mabel nervously and reluctantly decides to sacrifice her life for Dipper's. This would partially be out of love for her brother and partially be out of guilt for having given away the rift that caused Weirdmageddon, believing it to be all her fault.

She doesn't mention why she decides to sacrifice herself, so Bill decides to force her to admit what she did to Stan, Dipper, and Ford. Mabel tearfully spills her guts about it, and Bill decides to milk this for all it's worth by forcing her to repeat it loud enough so that the entire town can hear it. He then gleefully tells her that after the barrier is broken, he'll happily tell the entire world that it's all her fault.

Bill is just about to kill her in some spectacularly gruesome way when Stan interrupts disguised as Ford, and things basically continue as normal. Later, Dipper and Mabel have a talk about why she tried to sacrifice herself.

there. It might not resolve all of the problems people would have with Mabel, but it's better than nothing

>>89242244
I'd rather find out how she tastes.

>tfw no canonical GF vore with a female character on the receiving end.

>>89239167
How does someone develop such a skewed perspective of a cartoon

were you born this way or did 4chan do it to you

>>89242521
No actual rebuttal, I see.

>>89242244
Fruit loops, Skittles, Pink Lemonade,Fruit Roll-Ups all thrown in a blender

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>>89242496
She tastes like the blood of her slain enemies.

>>89242496
Like pork and whatever shit Stanley buys as soap.

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>>89242244
Her breath probably smells like sugary snacks

>>89242539
He didn't ask for one.

I'm tired of doing that anyways. You can't win arguments on 4chan, everything just resets in the next thread

Have fun in tomorrow's thread

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She lovable and adorable but lack the emphasis and character development Dipper Got

reason 569 this show should have 3 seasons

>>89242735
Reasons 1, 2, and 3 being lack of Wendy, Robbie, and Pacifica development.

>be Alex Hirsch
>Wake up, go the the bathroom and look in the mirror
>Remember I made Gravity Falls.
>Get nauseous because it also makes me remember all the pinecest fan fics
>Get on twitter and fuck about for a bit
>Read tweet from a fan
>Fan has a pinecest related image
>Get nauseous again
>Get to work for my new show on Fox
>Want to do something completely different, but Fox keeps pressuring me to rehash Gravity Falls
>Remember Pinecest, get nauseous
>Finally get home from a long day of getting reamed by Fox
>Crawl into bed
>Kiss my sister goodnight
>Remember pinecest, get nauseous

>>89242794
How would he feel about shipping Dipper with Pacifica?

Bad thing number 1: she doesnt have my adult cock.shoved down her throat so far.she cant breathe, as she crys and pounds on my thigh trying to pull away, but I just grab her loli skull and.keep.fucking.her throat as she passes out
Need I.even go on?

>>89242794
I just got started on GF and I'm surprised at how much pinecest art there is, just judging by what I've seen in threads here

I'm used to anime art taking that route

>>89242780
yes except Robbie

I feel his arc was honestly completed and fish well

>>89242947
Probably better than about all the other shippings. It's the most canon one since Dipper states he felt a certain vibe with her in Journal 3

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>>89239062
>>autistic screeching

>>89243156
How about Oppaicifica?

>>89243154
Didn't he get drugged?

>>89243464
Yep
Drugged into a relationship that he didn't want
But was slightly retconned in Journal 3

>>89239167
>Causes the apocalypse, albeit out of sheer selfishness and stupidity rather than intentionally.
There's a lot of shit stuff Mabel does, but this literally wasn't her fault.

>>89243537
Seems like kind of a copout. I didn't see the episode, but I'm guessing whoever did the drugging didn't face any consequences?

>>89243601
Like I said, it wasn't intentional, but she was being selfish and idiotic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tww2PhIJuB4

Does he speak the truth?

>>89243703
More or less, though I found the wording of "about Marbles and her twin brother Dipstick" when Dipper is clearly the main character.

>>89242496
She tastes ripe

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I actually want who ever was responsible for sock opera to defend this

>Mabel literally was about to give Bill the journal, thus sealing Dippers fate as a sock puppet for all eternity, in hopes of not fucking her chances up to impress a guy she just met the other day.

Seriously.

what the fuck were they thinking? Then the finale with Mabel causing the end of the world because Dipper finally thought about himself, and what HE wanted for once? Are you fucking KIDDING ME??

Also the love god episode. The fucking hypocrisy and annoying crazy feminist bullshit. Guys can't talk and get email addresses from more than one girl! Otherwise they'd be douche bags!

All while I know dozens of women who have played easily manipulated guys for fucking ever behind their backs, some of which who were acquaintances.

Who's responsible for those episodes?

>>89244051
Having her self was be brought up in that episode only for her to go right back to being selfish is arguably worse than never bringing it up at all

>>89244133
Selfishness, not self was. For some reason it autocorrected

>>89244133
The actual idea that she hesitated and considered giving her brother's life to get with some random dude just stuck to me like sap. That will always leave a bad taste in my mouth with the series. What a fucked up thing to even consider to do to your own blood.

>>89243154
What arc

season 2 just dropped him from the show

Pacifica got ten times the development

>>89244263
Especially when the journal 3 confirmed that Bill was going to straight up kill Dipper after Mabel gave him the journal

>>89244263
It's even more fucked up than replacing a family member with a soulless copy that's nothing like them

>>89244263
It's almost like she's an immature 12 year old

>>89243617
Mabel drugged Robbie, so no
Also, Dipper convinced Mabel not to undo it, and he gets no shit for it

>>89244395
Who never learns from her mistakes, even when she claims to.

Maybe she could use a good physical and/or metaphorical asskicking now and then. It seems to work for Dipper

>>89244051
>Guys can't talk and get email addresses from more than one girl! Otherwise they'd be douche bags
Flirting with multiple girls at once and doing it simply to get your mind off another girl is douche bagish. I really don't understand how anyone could think Dipper was innocent in that scenario.

>>89244424
My only guess is that the writers wanted to subvert the typical love potion plot

>>89242710
This nigga gets it. If you feel the need to "win" an argument on 4chan, your needs will never be met because noone can admit they're wrong on here nevermind the fact that this thread will pop back up in 48 hours with the same exact bullshit from the same twenty or so people for the most part.

>>89244450
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the girls give him their info? He was just being Dipper, not going all 'hol up lemma holla' to each of them.

>>89244462
Yep
But it backfired

>>89244450
>>89244566
He flirted with the girls
They gave him their email addresses
That's basically it
He wasn't courting them or leading them on

>>89244566
>but didn't the girls give him their info? He was just being Dipper, not going all 'hol up lemma holla' to each of them.
He wasn't just being Dipper. He was following Stan's advice. And he even listened to Stan when he said something along the lines of "The great thing is you never have to see them again after this."

>>89244605
>Flirting isn't leading someone on
You're so wrong about that. He was leading those girls on that he was actually interested in them when really all he was interested in was feeling good about himself for getting girls interested in him.

>>89244660
Alex please

>>89244450
>>89244450
Flirting isn't a fricking wedding proposal, man. It's arguably fine even if you're in a relationship. If some crazy girl thinks it's the same thing as a serious relationship that's on their lack of social understanding, not Dipper. Fuck, they only got mad because he flirted with more than one so I wonder how they could even process the fact that most people DATE multiple people before considering a real relationship with one person. Life isn't a fucking Disney princess movie, that's not how love or flirting or relationships work, man.

>>89244756
Whatever man, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I just think it's entirely wrong to flirt with multiple people, and I also thinks it's wrong to date multiple people at the same time. And I'm not the only one who feels this way.

>>89244851
>And I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Yes
We're aware of sexually repressed losers on the internet

>>89244450
dude he flirted with some girls to learn how to flirt.

He wasn't ever in a relationship with wendy. There's nothing wrong with what he did.

Also with candy, she caught feelings for HIM, he wasn't required to reciprocate feelings.

>>89244887
Yep, insult my sex life just because you don't agree with me.

Also, you know you're wrong about the following:
>that most people DATE multiple people before considering a real relationship with one person.
Most people don't even date anymore. Most people just end up hooking up, then BOOM, relationship.

>>89244851
>I just think it's entirely wrong to flirt with multiple people

so a single person (not necessarily male or female) who just flirts with people randomly because it's fun (because it is if you actually can get it right) is wrong?

You're a loser. Lighten up and be a human being. Life isn't a Disney movie.

>>89239062

Says Japan.

Why do the Japanese love Mabel so much? Is she hiding a bottle of sake in her sweater?

>>89244912
>dude he flirted with some girls to learn how to flirt.
He flirted with girls to take his mind of Wendy. It's stated specifically in the episode.

>He wasn't ever in a relationship with wendy.
And?? The point is Dipper wasn't serious in any of his flirtation. He was just using these people to make himself feel better. Even Stan tells him in the episode the best part about flirting with girls on the road is that you never have to see them again.

>he wasn't required to reciprocate feelings.
Where did I ever say that he had to? Dipper even figured out that Candy ended up being interested in him. He had the opportunity to say "Hey, I'm not interested in you." but he never did.

>>89245003
>Why does Japan love an underage girl so much?

It's a mystery, anon
A mystery

>>89244952
Even friends flirt sometimes. If you're in a relationship you shouldn't do that, unless your partner is into that sorta thing.

But I guarantee if it were Mabel flirting with a handful of boys throughout the episode, it would have a very different ending.

>>89244952
>Calls me a loser
>Tells me to "lighten up"
You're the one who's getting all pissy over people seeing and believing things differently.

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>>89245003
>why does Japan like Mabel
Hmm...

>>89245042
ok then enjoy your morals.

How would you hypothetically written Wendy to make her more interesting and worthy of being called a main character?

>>89245003
lolis

>>89245290
Make her a couple years younger, and stop trying to push the idea that 15 is too old for 12.85.

>>89245290
Involve her in more mysteries
Have her interact with Soos and Stan more to develop her personality

>>89244605
>>89244605
RA didn't really show it well which was a big problem, but he also spent time with them. When he gets confronted at the end the girls mention stuff that happened offscreen

>>89245290
Get her more involved in adventures in both seasons, give her meaningful flaws and give her character development.

Incidentally, I just realized there wasn't a single episode that was just the whole shack crew going on an adventure together.

>>89245411
>the girls mention stuff that happened offscreen
Alex, hack, etc.

>>89245290
>Elaborate on her lack of mother
>Make her overcoming her mother's death a character arc
>Make Stan and her have a father/daughter type relationship (because her father sucks at raising her)
>Have her hang out with the kids more

>>89245443
not an argument

>>89245494
Wasn't an argument
Just stating a fact

>>89245506
NOT

AN

ARGUMENT

>>89245470
Make her less 'fighty', if that makes sense.

>>89245522
STATING

A

FACT

>>89245539
Less aggressive?

>>89245470
Moms seem to get the short end of the stick in GF. Only one has a name, and every single one is a less important character than their husband.

>>89245539
What do you mean?

>>89245443
memes, memes, etc.

>>89245569
Not necessarily. I think capable is the word I'm looking for. I mean she's 15, not Wonder Woman.

>>89245003
They don't use /co/

Maybe make Wendy a loner so she ends up hanging out with the Dipper and Mabel more? Maybe she's a loner because her mom's death made her keep to herself? Maybe Dipper and Mabel end up becoming her first true friends?

>>89245624
I think she should still have capable skills: Her dad forcing her to learn the lumberjack trade (real tough father high standards, she ends up being really good a climbing especially trees) and Stan bonding with her over stealing (him teaching her a thing or two) could lead to her being a pretty capable thief.

>>89245624
Yeah, her being entirely badass after 21 episodes of just being a lazy teen felt weird.

>>89245722
I'm not against her being capable, I just think that even in cartoons there are acceptable limits. Just needed to be toned down is all.

>>89245734
>just being a lazy teen felt weird.
I don't think she was entirely a lazy teen. I think she was lazy outside the home because of all that she put up with at home. The issue is they didn't really portray her home life. All there is really is her saying her home life is super stressful.

>>89245782
I mean, her dad's a one note gag character, and her brothers are so inconsequential that I don't think they even have names.

>>89245773
Yeah. She can be capable, but not infallible.

>>89241621
Wendy always seems to be the first character removed for time in any given episode that isn't about Dipper's interactions with her

>>89245850
Probably because Wendy wasn't a character as much as a plot device

>>89245967
Just some eye candy to make Dipper's pine tree sprout.

>>89246101
Dipper has shit taste. Tammy was hotter.

>>89245967
I don't get the Wendy hate. She's supposed to be sort of mysterious, as the show is mostly from the twins' perspective, and Mabel doesn't really care that much, but Dipper just doesn't get her. She's supposed to represent the cool older girl or babysitter you liked as a kid but were too young to understand why or act on it.

>>89246143
Alex, please

>>89246126
True

>>89246143
She's a mediocre side character and a terrible main character

>>89246126
Wendy's attractiveness is mostly in her hair and hat

>>89246126
>>89246241
Tammy looks like a mediocre scene kid with a stuck up bitch attitude. And I'm not going to pretend that Wendy had a good, fleshed out personality, but sometimes there's just something about redheaded freckled girls that feels so right.

On a sidenote, it's kinda weird that they remembered McGucket had a son enough to give him a cameo in the credits, but not enough to have him appear or be mentioned in McGucket's focus episode or the finale proper.

>>89246418
That's what GF generally is
Missed opportunities and bad choices

>>89246418
I mean, it wouldn't have been that hard for him to notice Tate was part of the throne during the scene when Wendy and Pacifica see that their families are part of the throne

Gravity Falls is over, and no matter how much you fap to your pinecest fan fics, it's never coming back. You're doomed to wallow with a feeling of disappointment for the rest of your miserably dull life.

>>89247194
Ok.

>>89247316
What's sug about that?

>>89239062
t. Mabel

The only good thing about Mabel is her theme song for her shorts. Makes me laugh every time

>>89249600
Her hair's also a good thing about her

>>89249832
She is also really cute

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>>89243400
Not Disney-approved.

>>89242244
Unicorn farts.

>>89239062
You're right, everyone else is the problem, they never call out Mabel on her shit.

>>89239153
__ ____ _ ____ _________?

>>89246143
It's probably because /r9k/ faggots here have bitter feelings towards the Wendies of their lives (or just hate girls in general due to being bitter faggots)

>>89243601
She was trying to trap entire world so she could have her dream life forever.

She was trying to do a bad thing and it turned out worse. It's like trying to justify drunk driving by saying you didn't expect that old lady to be on that bust stop you crashed into.

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She's a bundle of joy.

>>89241095
The point is not that Dipper should have stayed, the point is that it should be about him and not Mabel. It's his life, and building it around pleasing someone else is not right. He may should have turned the offer down, but it should be Mabel who, in no ambigious terms should have grown up and learned to not depend on someone else and get rid of her entitlement.

>>89252872
This

And Weirdmageddon wasn't all her fault, there were other characters that could have prevented it. Mabel's immature ways were only part of the equation.

I don't understand how Blendin didn't know who Bill was. Shouldn't time travelers have been aware of him.

>>89253278
He did, still made a deal with him.

>>89253314
Mabel and Dipper should have let him die when they had the chance

>>89239167
Take that with a grain of salt though. Her biggest flaw is being disgustingly selfish

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>>89242539
see
>>89241095
>>89240912

The base of the conflict didn't make sense. Hell, if anything, Mabel being selfish was at least consistent with how she was portrayed in the season.

>>89253473
Mabel should've learned that Dipper is a person of his own and doesn't have to answer to her. This should have released them from the bubble.

Instead Dipper learned that his place is by Mabel's side, supporting her which released them from the bubble. Mabel gave him her permission later, but only after he resigned, as if writers realized they are writing bullshit at this point, but couldn't be assed to rewrite.

Mabel is a great character fucked over by shit writing. There's nothing wrong with a character that's somewhat selfish, but they went overboard.

>>89253678
It's not really that she went overboard with selfishmess. It's that she always gets what she want and is praised by everyone.

I swear, by they end the only viable explanation would be that she is a psychic who unconsciously mind rapes people to love her. What a twist. JJ Abrams dies of envy.

>>89239167

- Needs specific examples.

- Under emotional turmoil

- True

- Also true

- Episode above has her realize she was a bitch

>>89240912
Not to mention the fact that no, Dipper's parents were not going to be okay with him permanently moving in with somebody they've never met, even if he is their uncle.

How exactly was Ford expecting to explain the whole "the guy you thought was your Uncle Stanford is actually your Uncle Stanley, he's my twin brother and I'm the real Stanford, oh and I spent the last 30 years that I was missing in another universe" thing?

Dipper's parents might've been okay with him spending the summer with their con artist uncle, but they're not going to let him spend the rest of his life with their other uncle who's a total lunatic.

>>89252860
She had no reason to believe that making summer last until she was ready for it to end would be harmful. Mabel's just not smart, and she thought her friend Blendin was telling the truth.

>>89254191
This is pretty much spot on. But the thing is that the plot needed to have Mabel and Dipper against each other somehow, in a way that could be briefly solved with the episodes that remained.

So we got whatever the fuck the last episodes were.

>>89254191
>Dipper's parents might've been okay with him spending the summer with their con artist uncle
Dipper's parent's didn't know that Stan was a con artist. They thought he was as intelligent as Ford.

>>89254238
Perhaps. Either way, she was giving in to her insecurities and flaws rather then work to overcome them. This was a typical "deal with the devil" plot - devil comes and offers you to do something immoral to satiate your vices. You agree and he screws everyone over. You defeat him by becoming virtuous.

Except Alex Hirsch can not bear to criticize his bestest sister ever proxy.

>>89254313
Then they hadn't met him in over 30 years

>>89254760
That's actually a possibility. The one exception would be when he was there for Dipper and Mabel's birth.

>>89240912
>>89241095

Agreed it was obvious from the moment it was brought up that Dipper staying with Ford wasn't going to happen for a number of reasons and it's a good example as to what was wrong with Mabel's bubble episode.

But I think what made that whole plot point fall flat was that the way it plays out never acknowledges that other opportunities like it will probably pop up, and the show seems to hand-wave this by saying Dipper will always just "be there" for her, which kinda suggests that your own progress/ambitions should be dictated by the comfort level of another person.

It doesn't help that with all the unsubtle parallels between Stan's and Ford's situation with Dipper and Mabel's the end result suggests that Ford was wrong for wanting to go to college... rather than all the other things he did that were actually wrong.

>>89255511
That's a pretty fair assessment and I think that's the reason the whole apprenticeship thing rankles people so much.

With how clingy Mabel is, it's gonna be awkward when he ever gets a girlfriend. That could be a plot line if they ever make a series about them being teenagers.

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>>89255760
There's already a pretty good comic series about just that thing.

>>89239062
Not this shit again!

GF WAS THE FLUKE IN ANIMATION!

>>89239167
You forgot

>THAT, YOU GO GURRRL EPISODE.

>>89240584
>>89240912

So, he's a sick fuck who projected his own fucked up views on season 2?

>>89244051
>>89244450
But, wasn't that Mabel's idea?

And then instead of stopping the 3 cunts for piling up on dipper by explaining what happened, instead she joins them and gives the final nail in the coffin because "YU GOH GUUUUURRRFIELD!?????".

Who wrote that torture porn shit!?

>>89256044
My favourite part is that treating women like objects to boost his confidence off got Dipper noticed by another girl as well who never cared about him before.

How very redpilled.

Mabel is going to grow up to be a total slut, isn't she?

>>89255797
I'd be happy to read all about that

>>89244051
>>Mabel literally was about to give Bill the journal, thus sealing Dippers fate as a sock puppet for all eternity, in hopes of not fucking her chances up to impress a guy she just met the other day.
I think it was more because he was dangling her from the rafters.

>>89255797
>Aged up
It had so much potential..

>Spent entire summer doing what she wants, helping Dipper when she has nothing better to do, ditching him otherwise, even when explicitly promising him help
>Overhears Dipper wanting to have life outside of pleasing her
>Freaks out and throws tantrum, a guy shows up and asks for a thing that isn't her to give promising to make things go her way forever
>Apocalypse
>Dipper comes to rescue her, she won't go, because people can go fuck themselves and die in the eye of terror if she doesn't get her way
>Dipper caves in
>By the way, I don't give fuck do what you want

This is the level of bad writing I didn't think possible.

>>89256427
>>Dipper comes to rescue her, she won't go, because people can go fuck themselves and die in the eye of terror if she doesn't get her way
Why is it no one shit talks Soos and Wendy for ditching Dipper in the bubble, yet they do Mabel? Do people forget that the bubble has strong influence and it takes a really REALLY strong will to resist its temptation? Even Dipper almost succumbed to it over fake Wendy.

>>89256500
Or why nobody talking shit about Dipper for making a deal with Bill.

>>89256500
They probably did forget
Or they know, and use that as some indication of Mabel being shit

>>89256500
I'd talk shit, if any of them were important or put on pedestal, which they weren't, not in this episode anyway. Mabel was also a core of rather ridiculous plot (Another wasted potential, by the way, you have an episode pretty much set inside her head, and all you write is a parade of randumb gags), Soon and Wendy's temptation at least didn't seem this shallow. I don't have problem with Mabel not being saint, only with her being treated as such.

>>89256525
You mean when he tried to sell him a puppet and lost his body for his trouble? The episode told shit about him as well.

>>89256616
>Wendy's temptation at least didn't seem this shallow.
Wendy's was incredibly shallow. Soos is tempted by the dad he always wanted, and Wendy simply tempted by hanging out with her friends? Seeing her dead mom again should have been her temptation

>>89256616
I mean Wendy's could arguably be seen as a little shallow since it makes it seem like she was more worried about her friends than her dad and brothers. But that could be explained that her relationship was more fleshed out compared to her family (which I think shows how much Wendy really needed her own episode to touch on questions like that)

At least it she shows she at least thought about her friends - I guess Candy and Grande can go fuck themselves since they weren't anywhere to be seen in Mabel's ideal fantasy. "Life long friends" my ass.

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>>89256773
Maybe she believes in the /sp/ meaning of "lifelong"

Dipper is going to be getting pegged by Mabel for the rest of his life. He'll probably end up an heroing, then Mabel becomes crazy cat lady

>>89256616
>Another wasted potential, by the way, you have an episode pretty much set inside her head, and all you write is a parade of randumb gags

Yeah, that was another thing that bothered me. For all of Hirsch's insistence that there was more to Mabel than glittery sweaters and sparkles, Mabel's fantasy bubble is nothing but that. It would've worked fine as the two minute gag it was intended to be when it was part of the original scrapped draft of Dreamscapers, but it doesn't work when it's supposed to hold up an entire episode.

It might've worked better if they showed a reason it was so randumb like Bill needed to stick with shallow surface-level desires to keep Mabel from thinking too hard about anything (though Soos' fantasy dad might throw a wrench into that) or if her fantasy world started off as a relatively normal but still idealized version of Gravity Falls that eventually devolves into the Mabel Land we saw, due to Bill needing to fulfill increasingly wilder wishes in order to keep Mabel interested/enchanted/whatever or something.

>>89257087
ew gross, she's a 13 year old
As soon as she turns 18, and I'm willing to bet she puts glitter in her pubes

>>89257343
I think the idea wasn't that the bubble was exactly what you wanted it just did some things that you wanted which made you believe you wanted the rest of it. Mabel did say that 'it knows what you want before you do' and at the end of it she did kind of snap out of it going 'ugh was i really enjoying this?'.

>>89242710
SOMEONE CLOSE THE LOOP! WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR DECADES! MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

>>89258530
THE BEGINNING IS THE END
KEEPS COMING AROUND AGAIN

>>89241489
maybe this is just, y'know, every other western cartoon over the last 20 years talking, but I thought the writing was fine. Sure there were places where I would have done it better, but I don't live in california and have rich parents who sent me to calarts, so there you go

>>89258917
Dramatic writing for cartoons is currently in dire state, but that's no excuse. They should be able to do better.

>>89242121
Seconding this!

>>89245290
>>89245338
>stop trying to push the idea that 15 is too old for 12.85.

This.

>>89259417
Someone made a thread shilling one like that last year

Mabel is killed by Bill and then becomes a ghost or something.

>>89260057
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88497962/
Found it

>>89256427
Then you underestimated Alex Hirsch

Mabel is OK, she's a kid and makes mistakes, she isn't the best but her not getting chewed out at the end for her almost donking the whole plot didn't "ruin the show" for me like allegedly it did for some easily distressed persons.

>>89261747
Alex Hirsch, was he a lucky hack!?

>>89261799
Not being chewed out is a part of a long series of confused plotting where Mabel makes mistakes and then story swerves in order to validate those mistakes. She's warping the entire show and is making many episodes worse.

>>89262018
>She's warping the entire show and is making many episodes worse.
Not even Bill was that powerful!

>>89262076
No lame-ass demon can match power with creator's pet.

Also Bill was a major letdown too. He was presented as a trickster who knows things (He's the eye of providence, for fuck sake) and likes to mess with people, but instead of being clever, he just did some dumb ship.

>>89262140
>dumb ship

He did Billdip?

>>89256699
That would have required giving Wendy depth.

Soos' temptation was really the only one that didn't seem incredibly shallow

>>89256616
He got told shit, got his body injured badly, and very nearly died. Guess which three things don't happen to Mabel as a result of her deal

>>89256352
The focus was more on how dropping her would ruin the play than how it would endanger her, though

>>89259876
If they wanted to make it obviously something that couldn't happen, they could have made her 18 or something. That's certainly how old she looks

>>89260057
I don't think that was me, but it sounds like something I'd do

>>89262076
I guess we know the true mastermind now

>>89256427
>Spent entire summer doing what she wants, helping Dipper when she has nothing better to do, ditching him otherwise, even when explicitly promising him help

That's about why I didn't like her as much as Dipper. She almost always felt a lot less invested in any given episode's adventure or mystery

>>89261828
some say yes.

>>89239457
And, you know, normal people.

>>89263866
Why's that?

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This thread is boring.

>>89264185
Why's everything gotta be about incest with you people?

>>89264185
I really really like this pic

>>89264563
Because you're into incest?

>>89264422
That could just be a pic of Dipper giving Mabel a platonic kiss on the cheek.

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>>89265030
Yeah. skinship works differently in other parts of the world

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>When Mabel wants to flirt with boys
vs
>When Dipper wants to practice talking with girls after being rejected by the one girls he's been loyally p i n e i n g for in a situation when seeing them is obviously not gonna happen again unless there was a very large and unlikely coincidence

>>89265372
Well it never works out for Mabel either.

>>89265397
she was never made to feel terrible for talking with boys ether

>>89265430
I thought that was part of the B plot in NWMM?

>>89265372
Honestly I think a better comparison would be how they handled Mabel and Gideon, where while they briefly acknowledge Mabel should've put her foot down and said she wasn't interested sooner, Gideon should've taken a hint; vs. Dipper and Candy where like Mabel he's pressured to say yes to a date because she's nice, but her not taking a hint is still all Dipper's fault somehow.

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>>89264170
Because normal people can't bring themselves to hate such an innocent little girl

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>>89265536
The B plot for NWMM ended with Mabel learning not to write Grenda off as a lost cause just because she doesn't fall in the same "league" as Candy and herself.

Grenda got the boy that they spent all night chasing.

>>89240933
Mabel's pretty much worse than Gideon
Are you kidding nigga? She's most likely to be above Bendy only because he was a legit dickhead.

>>89265590
>innocent.

Nice joke

I think part of the reason Wendy's so boring is that, even if she appears in an episode, whenever something interesting' going on that could potentially happen to her, she's usually just sort of not there when it happens

She wasn't around to swap bodies with anybody, she wasn't around during the adventure with the dinosaurs, she wasn't around to get turned into a zombie, she wasn't around to get turned into a tree, she wasn't around during all the portal business in NWHS, etc.

And I'm not just saying this because I wanted to see a Zombie Wendy

>>89265877
Is that saying Mabel's good or bad?

>>89260139
I've already read that one, but alright

>>89243070
>all those grammar errors
are you typing with one hand

>>89244450
>interacting with several people to learn how to interact with peoplenty makes you a douchebag

This is how people learn how to have healthy relationships, trial and error until they learn whats needed, how to speak, how exhibit your value, etc.
It's not like he was doing douchy pick up artist shit like assaulting their self esteem to make himself look better. He was talking to them, learning how to converse, and learning how to initiate relationships.
If you don't practice this shit early on you end up as a social retard just like all of us on this website.

>>89267482
My god, some of you are legit retarded. The point is he was doing it for the wrong reason and Stan gave him bad advice.

>>89270413
Calm down, Alex

>>89265546
No matter how you slice it, it's still Mabel's fault.

>>89271567
True

>>89256044
>>89244051
>>89239062
It's quite simple really.

There's this group of people out there called "SJWs" who like to push the narrative that women are always innocent and never at fault for anything, and men are inversely always guilty and at fault for everything. They like to use stories they tell as propaganda to promote this idea. They also write dipper as something called a "white knight", a man who will always apologize and fix problems even when a woman is the one who started the problem due to her being wrong.

So I read through Dipper's and Mabel's Guide to Mystery and Nonstop Fun!, and one interesting thing I noticed is that Bill said that he actually liked Mabel, and that fun (which Mabel loves) is just another word for Chaos. I'm guessing this is why Bill went easy on her? Maybe he was hoping he could get her on his side?

>>89274861
She was already basically on his side.

>>89258005

I think Gravity Falls was a great show for what it was and I don't hate Mabel, but the bubble episode was a big letdown and missed opportunity that shredded Mabel's character just as it had the opportunity to redeem it. It should have been the series's emotional climax for Mabel and Dipper but was mostly very shallow except for the single flashback scene and Soos' dad. Nothing else had any weight and the real growing apart conflict wasn't even addressed.

Also too many things in the finale were based on characters doing stupid things because they had to for the plot:

>pretty much everyone's handling of the Rift
>Ford doesn't even try to play along and pretend to join Bill then backstab him
>even if Bill's offer wasn't serious/playing along wouldn't have work Ford then tells Bill he knows his one weakness, why the fuck would you volunteer that information for no reason?
>Bill knows the Zodiac is his only weakness but doesn't kill any of the people from the prophecy despite ample opportunity to
>Bill sits around for three days and never even looks out his window to see he's trapped or listen to his henchmen who repeatedly warn him the good guys are doing shit
>Bill is an omnipotent trillion year old entity but needs to beg for help with a math problem
>Ford again just tells Bill that he knows the equation he needs just offers it up that he knows out of the blue what the fuck
>Stan suddenly risks destroying the entire Universe to have a dumbshit fight with his brother about grammar and holy fuck that part was obnoxious probably the worst part

I could go on but you get the idea. I still liked it but yeah there were things that bugged me.

>>89255892
that describes /co/ more than anything

Tumblr sucks

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mabel a cute

>>89275952
I could just imagine if this were an Adult Swim show, Stan would probably be walking through the background, holding a noose, about to hang himself.

>>89275893
priceless

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>>89275893
That contest produced some interesting art.

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>>89239062
>Mabel is a great character
I agree.

>and there's nothing bad about her
Ha, no no no. That is wrong.

So who the hell does Mabel get her personality from? Is her mother as crazy as her?

>>89275519
He is probably shit posting here as we speak

>>89275952
>didn't read lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkp8odWJr4o
>I've also been whittling bars of soap into my own little pine-scented Pines family. They're almost as enchanting as the real thing! Every day when I lather up and watch them disintegrate into nothing, I think of ya'll!
>you're always in my thoughts and in my crevices

Well isn't that hilariously disturbing...

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>>89278011

>>89242285
>You will never give Schaal a penisbutter and vajelly sandwhich
https://youtu.be/BAlBI68lG80 @ 0:28 because I am a mobile youtube novice

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>>89278011

>>89278182
>FUCK short people
Did a short guy steal your girl or something? If you're tall, you have no reason to be angry at short people.

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>>89275846
Dipper is lucky to have her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeCV8J0KAAU
I wish this was a late night fake infomercial show on Adult Swim

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Mabel.

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>>89279722
Dipper

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>>89279872
>>89279722
Mabel + Dipper = ???

>>89274861
I guess that would explain why he didn't just atomizer her the second Weirdmageddon started, but wasn't she the one he was going to kill during that scene in the finale?

>>89276679
Maybe she's some sort of temporal reincarnation of Bill

Remember when everybody thought Mabel was going to be the key to defeating Bill?

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>>89279910
a best

So, why is it that in fanfics/fanart where somebody gains Bill's chaos powers, it's always Dipper? You'd think chaos powers would fit Mabel's personality more.

Mabel really could've benefited from a physical and/or figurative ass kicking now and then.

>>89280157
I wasn't here when the show was airing

how did people react to the cryptograms? inb4 no one cared

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>>89280175
not just a best
THE best

>>89275395
>Ford doesn't even try to play along and pretend to join Bill then backstab him

I don't know if this really a fault of the writing so much that Ford just isn't deceptive or shrewd by nature so therefore it doesn't occur to him, same with just blurting out that he knows the equation rather than lying about it and feigning ignorance.

A bigger problem I would say is that Ford's character arc is pretty much put on stand-by until the finale so his story is rushed out of the gate at the last minute which means moments that should have weight to them (like being tortured for the equation or the "Grammar, Stanley" which was supposed to be the point when all his and Stan's issue boiled over and the emotional peak of that scene) just don't have the same impact since Ford's more of a concept than his is a character.

Everything else you said is spot on though.

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>>89282835
>>89281196
let it go, anon
anyone looking for their pinecest fix can get it in the archive by remembering mabeliscute

>>89284063
Read the thread, most people here don't even thought there's reason to at least doubt that post, as seen here >>89253473

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>>89283523
Found anything new to add recently?

>>89285088
Nope, I'm just the guy that came up with that keyword

I'm not even done with GF yet, lel
The main reason I even tried it was because this grill got me to try it. I'm more of an anime guy, but I've been liking what I saw from GF so far

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>>89283523
>>89285088
>>89286220
Hey guys. Archive Anon 'ere. Thanks to one of you contributing that "Traditions" WIP from before. Also sorry I haven't been updating in a while, been kinda busy.

I may have found some of the pics for that "Mabel's Dreamboy" prequel comic from before. I'll update you guys if it ever leads anywhere. I'll update the MEGA links too when I'm done compiling of course.

I just keep running into these damned "Keep Reading/Click to read more" dead ends everywhere.

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>>89286911
Of course this is still going
I ran into these threads at the perfect time, I guess

"So, for Mabel and Dipper's birthday I thought I'd give her a snowglobe, sorta like a souvenir. I heard she likes glitter and sparkles and stuff, so I got her one with this sparkly spacey design. I also wrote "I know what you did, Mabel" underneath to remind her that we all know the part she played in saving the town. Think she'll like it?"

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>>89287147
heheh, yeah, she'll love it

>>89287064
can't tell if mockery or genuine excitement.

>>89287428
the latter, don't worry

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>>89287463
Well someone's gotta keep that sweet sweet Pinecest dream alive.

>>89287616
That's hot...

>>89280157
Remember when stupid assholes kept swearing up and down how the Cipher Wheel was going to be relevant in the show?

>>89287711
I wasn't one of them.

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>>89287686

Does anyone have that pic of Alex pointing the gun at Pacifica?